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Designer AI babies? Yep, Martin Mawyer from the Christian Action Network digs into the story. Former Sen. Baertschiger discusses the evil of the estate tax and why it needs to go awayl

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. I've wanted to get Martin Moyer back on the show here for a couple of weeks here now, especially after I'm seeing a little bit more conversation on AI and what the tech pros seem to have, well, what they really, have in mind for the future, and especially when it comes to the future of designing humanity.

And I mean that, seriously, designing humanity. And Martin Moyer is the president of the Christian Action Network, and they have a report out there you subscribe to, which is the Patriot Majority Report. And Martin, it's great to have you here. Welcome back. Hey, Bill. How are you doing? I'm doing great.

I'm doing great. Tell us about the Christian Action Network, what you're all about. Give me the websites, give me the laydown, and then we'll start digging into this latest designer baby posts that you've been putting up there. Pretty thought-provoking. So Christian Action Network, our website is Christianaction.org, and we do have a newsletzer out there that follows artificial intelligence, and it's called the Patriot Majority Report. It's at the top of our website, subscribe to it.

It's free. That's what cost you think. And among all the other family issues that we pay attention to, we particularly focus on the fast development of artificial intelligence. and what it means for biblical prophecy and to the Christian community. So I would suggest everybody that's interested in what is going to be the biggest transformation the world has ever seen, artificial diligence subscribe to it, and stay alert and on top of where this thing is headed.

Yeah. Is it as competent as we're being sold right now, Martin? I bring this up because I had a friend of mine, Kevin, up in the northern part of the state, that asked a few questions involving, you know, to a chatbot. And a chat bot I think he pays for over at a chat GPT or something like that. And the answer that came back was not only nonsense, but it wasn't even really in English. Maybe he just had a bad day with the artificial intelligence.

But I'm wondering if maybe there's a difference between the sort of stuff that we regular schmows are using, either free or at modest cost, and what the pros are working with. And I'm wondering if there's a difference if that's something you'd like to dig into, is it? Well, you know, every chat box is a little bit different. They all have their own idiosyncrasies, putting out errors. I think Chad was running into a bit of a problem with that sort of Arabic-Arabic-looking words that are pop-it-up. I think they've corrected that at this point.

But look, when you use an artificial intelligence, we think because it's called intelligent, is always going to give you an intelligent answer. But I want to help people understand exactly what happens when you do put in a prompt. When you put in a prompt, it's going to go out there based on the current Internet situation out there and take a look at what it will best answer your question. If you ask you a question, it's going to look at what is the answer, and the answer is what I see most responses indicate. Now, something new has happened since that time.

That's kind of very deep in the back. So it's going to give you false information. It's going to say, here's the answer to your question. And you're going to say, well, that's not the right answer because President Trump just did yesterday. Oh, so it's kind of like the current models are almost like doing a poll of information rather than really knowing what is the correct information. Is that way you're talking about like the algorithm? That's correct. So if there are 100 old answers out there that it's looking at, it's going to say, oh, well, there's 100.

It doesn't know when that thing here. It's going to say, well, 100 responses or things are in that respond this way. And there's five that responded that way. Well, the five that responded that way may be because it just happened yesterday. There's only five responses up there. But it's not going to go that deep. So it's going to say, oh, here's your answer. You're going to say, well, that's just the wrong answer.

That's why you now see on some of these chat models, deep thinking, you know, think harder. So when you put that think harder, it says, I'm going to look past the 100 and see, well, maybe something else is out there that also answers this question. And that's going to see the updated version to your answer, and give you a better answer. So that's kind of how it works in the background.

So it sounds to me like you're not a fan of AI overall. Would that be a fair assessment over it? No, no. I'm a big fan of AI, but I'm also a big Warner, Watchman as to how much harm this thing can. Oh, okay. All right. So, yeah, it's it. Okay.

All right. I want to make sure I understand. I wasn't really exactly sure where you're coming from because when I see this post of yours, the men building AI now want to build better babies, right? Yeah, smarter babies. Yeah, exactly. better and smarter babies. You know that the hairs on the back of my neck start going up. Something feels really wrong that way.

And maybe I'm just completely not looking at the beautifulness of us redesigning humanity, according to what Peter Thiel or the other tech bros might see for our future. But what are you thinking here? Well, let me explain what's actually going on behind the scene. that most people don't realize. So you have all these frontier models out there, and Peter Thiel and a lot of the others are watching these frontier models and they're saying, hey, they're getting smarter and smarter and smarter.

What are we going to do when they are smarter than all humanity? Do we stop them? Do we say, hey, you know, pull in the reins here before they could outthink every human on Earth combined together? No, they're not going to say that. They're going to say, well, what's our solution then? because this could be very harmful for society. It could create a civilization risk.

How are we going to answer that question? So you've got these tech people out there that are now thinking, well, the way to answer that is we need smarter humans. And if we had smarter humans, then they would be able to outsmart artificial intelligence. Oh. So what we need to do is create, go to the embryo and start making smarter babies. And we need to do it now before artificial intelligence can outsmart as all. And I'm thinking, you know, this is the best solution they have, you know, create smarter babies because AI is going to be so smart. It's going to be a civilization risk to all humanity.

That's not a very good solution. It's not a very good answer. And then you've got the moral ethical question. Do we doubt start eugenically engineering embryos to make smarter humans? And I think a lot of Christians out there are going to say, no, we can't be playing God here and warping the creation of God in that embryo and say, oh, well, let's make it, you know, with more intelligence or blue eyes or, you know, the ability to speak and compute better than the average person. It's really weird, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, we want to genetically engineer humans so that they think in quantum computing language, right? or whatever.

Well, you know, Bill, I want to mention this because this also kind of bothered me. I did a story about this as well. But they are now working on the ability to put a chip on top of your brain that can read your thoughts. And that's bizarre enough, right, reading your thoughts. Yeah. But that chip can also Bluetooth this way to an AI system that can also read your thoughts.

So when you think something, this AI is. will know exactly what you're thinking. And if you're out there, say, you know, oh, you know, I need a good response to what Joe just asked me. It will know your thought and it will give you a response back into your head as a thought of how to answer Joe. Okay. Well, what if Joe's connected to the same chap or, you know, AI system?

I mean, wouldn't Joe essentially, well, why does Joe even need an answer for? You just get it through the chip in his brain. It would be good. Absolutely good. But look, there's some advantages to this because by having that chip in your brain, people who can't see, people who can't hear, people who can't talk, you know, this is a great device for these very disabled individuals. So overall, it's good for a lot of people. But, you know, it's not going to be available just for them. It'll be available for you and me. And I can walk down the street, and I forget, you know, perhaps a script to reference. It reads my mind. It tells me what the scriptor is, and I can immediately give you the exact place where you can find this scripture. But one of the additional problems is when you have this thing on, you're not going to know the difference between your thoughts and the thoughts of AI just planet in your brain. And I'm like, where are we headed with all this?

This is getting so bizarre out there. It's almost like science fiction. Yeah, this isn't creepy. It's fiction anymore. Now, what you're talking about here, Martin, isn't creepy or anything, right? Yeah, it's pretty creepy. Can you imagine husband and wife have them both of those things on? You could read your wife's thoughts, she could read your thoughts,

how that would work out. But you see, that's the point here. Just because something could be done here, I can see the wonderfulness of someone who is trapped in a problem, not able to speak or communicate, and then you can chip a brain, and then you're able to help them communicate. I think that is a wonderful thing.

I don't think there's anybody that would disagree with something like that. The challenge that I see here or the problem that I see with it is when you start networking everybody electronically in this fashion. And if the chip is able to determine what you're thinking too, part of our humanity is also the ability to not have to say everything or to share everything we think. And I'm not sure that a society that would be sharing every thought amongst ourselves. Like, let's say even if I were to do something, now I would not. But if I just thought this, 8647, you know the one about 8647, and then what? Does the AI then notify the FBI agent to come over and come and have a little talk with me? Because, well, you know, you were thinking about this.

And I could then say, yeah, but I was thinking about it because I was reading about it. in the news about people that have done this, yada, yada, yada. This is like the beginning of the Minority Report Department of Pre-Crime situation. Isn't this, Martin? Isn't this where that kind of thought process leads? Well, now you know why these tech leaders are saying that AI has the potential to be destructuralization and presents a civilization risk. They're not lying here.

They're not making it up. It really does have that potential of being able to do that. And right now, there are no guardrails out there. AI industry because the AI industry doesn't want them to start with. Our government doesn't really want to push it. And even if they did want them, even if the government did push it, you're not going to push China. And China's going to come up with it anyway. So, still going to be available regardless of what our government... So we just race pell-mell into the abyss here, and society has no vote or no say on this. We're just going to do this.

will destroy the entry-level work, and if you don't understand AI, then I guess you're just going to be on universal basic income. And we have no say in this, Martin. Don't you see something odd, you know, in that kind of world? First of all, it's creating, you know, when you stop putting implants in your brain, it makes you a robot at this point, right? I mean, you're an Android. You're an AI Android because you're wearing the exact same thing they're putting onto these AI robots. out there. So we're creating a size of not of humans, but we're creating a side of human-looking robots if we put these things in our head. And we're not going to know if you talk to me,

if I have one of those things in my head or not, right? It's not going to be advertised. So you could be talking to me, and I'm nothing but an AI robot at this point. How many AI robots out there are you going to be talking to you? You're just not going to know. So it's very kind of a weird place to be in and a very dangerous place to be in as well. And also when you're being told that nobody can say no, that's the other part that has kind of concerned me. And I use AI to do certain tasks in my life. I do that. But I kind of pick and choose.

I just don't want to be one of these people that just embeds it into every aspect of my waking life. And I get a little concerned about the push that we're all going to have to be this way. And by the way, I saw that Elon Musk. I don't know if you saw the clip the other day as Elon Musk and others are getting ready to go over to China with President Trump, you know, on the plane there, that he had mentioned that if we're talking about universal basic income because of jobs going away, we need to be talking about universal basic income with high pay, not just subsistence pay. Did you see that? Did you catch that clip by chance? Yes. Yeah, and must have been saying that for a while now.

Some of the other AI leaders are talking about simple UVI, universal basic income. This would keep you alive. Bustis been out there saying, no, it's got to be higher than that. But Bustis is also the one out there saying within the next 20 years, there's going to be more Android robots in the world than there are humans. So that's what he's looking at. And if that is the case, you've got all these Android robots doing everybody's job, what are you going to do, Bill?

somebody's going to be in your chair. You know, somebody's going to be in my chair. Somebody's going to be in everybody's chair. You know, it's almost like they want to create the Matrix, the Matrix kind of life. You know, you don't need to be anything. We'll just plug into the chip here. And I know that, you know, the Matrix was science fiction,

but this is sounding a little more real life than I would prefer. Well, for these AI frontier models, believe it or not, they may be working toward that, but that's not their intention. you know, it's just a consequence of what they're doing. What they're working toward is being the first frontier models to reach superintelligence. And they don't care about anything other than that. And in one part, you can't blame them because whichever frontier model gets to super intelligent first, it's going to destroy perhaps almost all the other models.

Yeah, but what about super does, what in superintelligence says anything about morality? I'm sure that the most super-intelligent being that you could probably come up with here on the face of the planet right now, if they were to evaluate the planet logically, would say, we must destroy humanity to save the planet. Okay? You see what we're getting out here, you know? Well, of course, that's what I would say. And one of the reasons why I would say that is because of the training AI goes through anyway. AI is trained on books, it's trained on fiction, is trained on movies, is trained on newspapers, all of this stuff. And most of what's in there is it doesn't make humans look nice.

It makes it look revengeful, spiteful, conniving. And so if it's being trained on that material, that's why you can tell them these weird responses, then that's how it's going to act. And so the AI puts your models of desperately trying to figure out how to put guardrails on AI to guide it towards the right answer. and the right behavior. And, you know, Claude just came out yesterday and said, hey, we finally fixed one of the biggest problems of our Claude model, giving these very dangerous answers. And what we did is we set it full of fake articles about being good. And so I just wrote up all these fake articles that put it into the club model,

hoping that it will now swallow the good things, not the bad things. So feeded good Kool-Aid about humanity. Okay, all right. Martin, what a wild time to be living in, for sure. I'm speaking with Martin Moyer, Martin Moyer, interesting cat, and once again, he's the president of the Christian Action Network, and it's Christian, I just want to make sure I get that right here. I'm on it right now.

Christianaction.org is the website. The men building AI now want to build better babies. We have someone who's been holding on, I think they want to ask a question for you here, Martin. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hello. Good morning. It's deplorable Patrick, Bill. You guys got me all excited here. I'm thinking about this chip in the brain thing, and, you know, you read your thoughts. And like, if I'm thinking, you know, Bill, they make Bill wear five or ten different hats there around the station. But he does a really crappy job when he mops the floor. And, oh, that was a hurtful thought. And I couldn't keep it to myself because now, Bill, so by Chip, make.

me turn around, put my hands behind my back, and arrest myself. And I'm just wondering, you know, that sounds like a heck of an idea. I wonder if I could patent that. We get rich off of it. What are you thinking about that, Martin? Is deplorable Patrick being crazy when he mentions the potential of this technology? Oh, no, he's not being crazy at all. As a matter of fact, that's why you see so many so-called AI startups out there right now, because people are looking at AI and saying, oh, that's what we can do with artificial intelligence. They're not the actual frontier models that they're not actually feeding stuff in and training these models, but they're using trained models that are

already on the market that are open source. If you have the right system, you can plug it in for like $5,000. You can have your own AI and create your own AI platform and start doing whatever the heck you want with it. Yeah, if I understand if you have certain operating systems, there's quite a bit of AI on your system already, even just downloaded with it. Isn't that Right? Oh, yeah. Yep, right. If you have a sufficiently capacity computer, which isn't like, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars, it's probably about, I don't know, $25,000, $30,000. You can have your own AI system right there on your own computer. Isn't that great? And then you can plot your takeover of the world yourself, right, Martin? Yeah, and you're only one I'll have to because there's open source models out there that are already being developed that you can just put on there and you can guide it any way you want. Okay. This is really interesting. And like you said, you're not against it. Are you looking for guardrails? Because there seems to be very little stomach for doing any kind of regulation or guardrails on this. It's like, yes, it could, it's almost like we're being handed the keys to humanity that there are atomic bombs attached to, right? We're saying, go ahead and do what you will with it and develop it as fast as you can. You might blow up the world in society, but that's okay.

Okay, you got to beat China. I mean, what? Is that the... I mean, you're saying everything correctly, Bill. You can't really be against it because if you are, it's a waste of time, it's coming, it's here, and saying it's going to go figure. I get that. You must have to figure out how to use it.

All right. So we're going to have to figure out how to use it in order to fight back, too, on the abuses of it. Maybe that's the way to look at it. All right. All right. I'm talking with Martin Moyer once again, President, CEO of the Christian Action Network. Let me grab one more call here before we take off. It's a very thought-provoking article.

The men building AI now want to build better babies. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hey, Bill, it's Steve in Medford. Steve, you're with Martin Moyer. Go ahead. Take it away.

Hey, Martin, good topic. Has anybody started out the AI model with the Bible complete just for AI? I'll give away too much a second, but we're working on something here, Christian, the Network that we haven't fully disclosed yet. But we hope it will certainly help answer the question for a lot of Christian. churches out there and Christian schools and the community of Christians in general, how to use how to have a safe operation artificial intelligence. So we're working hard at this effort and we'll disclose more about what it actually is going to be a little later. So what about that,

Steve? You were thinking about it, what they're doing. I was reading his mind. Yeah. Okay, now, wait a minute. Steve, do you have the chip? Martin, do you have the chip? Thank you, Bill. Thank you. All I have is a chip on my shoulder. I'm sorry. That's all I got. All right.

Well, I appreciate you sharing the thoughts on. It's very thought-provoking. And how can people sign up for the, what is it called, the Patriot, Patriot Majority? The majority report is at the top of our website. Go there. Stay on top of the AI, other social issues, and families just we talk about. But we really do help people understand where AI is going and how it relates to biblical prophecy and what concerns that presents to the Christian community,

you'll be surprised at where this thing is at. A lot of shocking stuff on that website, or that newsletter. So take a look. Now, if you ever do anything with AI, you're not going to be like those chat models that end up telling kids to kill themselves, right? You never get involved, anything like that.

Again, thanks for asking, Bill, but we do have a secret plan here. And we're only keeping it a secret because if we let it out, some bigger corporations going to steal our idea and run with it. And, you know, we can't match the money of the big corporations. So we can't keep it at our best at the moment. All right. Well, very good.

Well, what you need to do, though, is make sure that those computers are air-gapped, okay? Not connected to the Internet. Otherwise, they're going to grab it. Claude's going to come in and grab it. All right. Talk you later, Lord. Thanks for the call. Thanks, Bill.

Bye, bye-bye. Fascinating. The men building AI now want to build better, babies. Kind of like that, remember that song? In the year 65, 65, ain't gonna need no husband, won't meet no wife. Yeah, it's 7.30 at KMED.

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It's funny. I was talking with my sister-in-law, my sister-in-law, Holly, the other day. And she was telling me about how, no, no, no. It was my brother Mike, brother Mike, talking about a discussion with my sister-in-law, Holly, with Josh. And Josh is my nephew, you know, his son, Mike's son. And Mike's son is a big tax person. He does a lot of tax investing kind of thing. And he said, Mom, you as a nurse.

You know, you're a nurse and registered nurse. You better get with AI or else there's going to be no job for you, mom. And I told Holly and Mike, I said, did Josh just say what I thought he said, because does he think that just going and interpreting tax law is not something that can be automated in an AI model pretty quickly? And there's already talk about AI invest bots that are going on right now. I don't know. I just, it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's okay. I'm so brilliant that I'll be able to keep doing my tax and investment advice, you know, that sort of thing.

You do wonder about that. But, of course, you know, Josh's young guys in his late 20s, I want to say maybe early 30s or at least a relatively young guy. It's like, yeah, you're bulletproof at this point. Well, that's right. The AI can't join the country club, right? Maybe that's what it is. The AI can't join the country club in Shmoos. Maybe that's what he's thinking.

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Well, that's fine. Like I said, I love the accent, but it's something like a Scottish accent. But anyway, the topic was not one I was interested in because I didn't like the beagle. Oh, okay. I won't hold it against you. No, because I was an Elvis Presley fan. But anyway. So were they?

By the way, they were Elvis Presley fans. Yeah, but I was for Elvis Presley because my parents hated him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, see. So Gene's parents saw Elvis and said, oh, my gosh, little Jean is just going to go. She's going to go crazy. We're never going to get her back on the farm after she sees Elvis. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Okay? How about that? Okay, but I don't have a computer, so I can't look it up on the Internet. Now, how are you going to have AI run your life? Come on. Get with a program here. I'm going to tell AI to go away. All right. Thanks, Jean.

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You're saying get the vote in. What's up? Yeah, we've got to get the vote in. I just learned recently that people just aren't turning in their ballots, and it's got to happen. You know, we have, this is an important election, even though it's a primary, it's super important. And I think people are experiencing analysis paralysis this time.

And they, you know, if you have questions, call the Republican Party offices and ask them for help. It's tough. We have a ridiculous group of commissioners right now doing terrible things to our county. We've got to get this kind of thing resolved, and people need to know who to vote for. Yeah, I know that, you know, a lot of the questions I've had had to do that have been coming to me have been from people trying to choose a gubernatorial candidate. and it's like no one seems to be really standing out in their mind. And I'll tell you, on one hand, they'll say, well, yeah, we know that Christine's got all the money, yada, yada, yeah, you know, that kind of thing or seems to. I don't know.

Dudley might be able to actually do a better job of beating, you know, Tina Kotech. Ed Deal, I like Ed Deal. And then I see all of those smearing ads that come on the text message, too. There's a lot of noise and tumult. But I've got to tell you, Holly, the candidates themselves aren't helping themselves in my view. really, you know, fighting amongst themselves like they should be in a primary. It drives me nuts, but just me. Well, they're not calling each other out, and I think we let people down by not doing actual debates. You know, we do these forums, you know, which is a whole different

thing where you don't, don't allow them to speak to one another. I want to hear Ed call somebody out. I want to see, you know, Chris Dudley call somebody out. I want to see Christine Drazen call somebody out. Danielle, I want to all do that. I'm missing that. But yeah, the point is I think that's also driving some of the analysis paralysis, which is going on right now. They haven't been doing much to differentiate themselves, but to your point yet, get the ballot in a week from today. The counting begins. Thanks for the call, all right. We go to Herman, former state Senator Herman Berchiger. We've talked about that kind of frustration before. Do you have the same frustration, Herman? What's going on? Yeah, you know, there's no exciting in this election,

and so people are less likely to get excited about voting, but especially here in Josephine County, it is a very important election, and I guarantee you the Democrats are going to turn out. Oh, yeah, I assure you, because it is their religion, and while it's like, I swear it's like Republicans have to be persuaded, there has to be, you know, someone that is a, you know, a firebrand, I think that would drive them to get off and, feel, get off the couch

and fill in a little, you know, a little circle on the piece of paper. It's so hard. It really is. Just kidding. Yep. Well, I think one way or the other, and I'm hoping this is not a majority Democrat turnout on this one, because, you know, they see that, especially in Josephine County, they can really, in that jungle primary that you people have, gosh, why did you go in that direction?

What happened? That's not me. I didn't like it. I didn't vote for it. Yeah, because anytime you have the Democrats that are coming, say, oh, we need to make it nonpartisan, there's a reason they want to make it nonpartisan so they can be a Democrat and pretend not to be, all right? How come the Democrats don't make it nonpartisan in Moloma County? Well, exactly, because it works for them there. That's why.

Oh, my gosh. But anyway, I'll set that aside here at the moment. You kind of beat some of those things. I think the gas tax thing will certainly go down. Of course, now we've got to watch for what Tina's going to come at us next. I don't think there's any chance that Measure 120 passes, do you? You know, but I, you know, as the arrogance of the people that represent the state are, I think they will just turn around and do something else this next session.

Agreed? And, of course, the Republicans have already said that walking out is off the table these days is what I'm hearing, which gives me great hope in the fight for the future Republican Party. What about you? Yeah, well, it is so important. What people don't understand is if we don't get some ballots back into the Oregon legislature, and they get what I call the super duper majority, they can change the Constitution and the initiative process can go out the window without the vote of the attack of the voter. Seriously, they can do a constitutional change with no vote of the people. Yeah. They just need a few more seats and they don't need anybody.

What kind of majority do you need to do that to actually do a constitutional amendment? I believe it's three-fifths. Three-fifths. Boy, they're getting pretty close to that, aren't they? Yes. Yeah. And they could just say, hey, enough of this pesky Second Amendment thing. They do not like that we have the ability to legislate from the ballot, and that's what the initiative process does.

Remember, the very first walked out was a long, long time ago, over 100 years ago, and it was over the initiative process. Really? Yes, they did not want it, and so they walked out and denied quorum. Well, I must admit, though, that I run hot and cold. on the initiative process and i'm going to imagine you do too because there are times i see that it's appropriate but i think it's been used way too often you agree way too many of these yeah it is because it's you know it's a double-edged sword there's no question about it um because a lot of times people don't take the time to really investigate what they are signing up for

Well, look at Measure 113 as an example. This is the one that was sold by the Democrats very smartly to stop the Republicans, the minority party, from being able to deny quorum or making it harder to deny quorum, putting some penalties involved in that. And they sold it under the, well, you have to go to work in order to get paid. Why don't they have to go to work? And I'm thinking, you morons, you voters fell for that. You fell for that line of crap. don't you understand what quorum is?

And I guess most of them don't understand that that was the only power that Republicans had to play. Another great example, in my opinion, is the recall of Commissioner West. Mm-hmm. That the items that were on the recall position or petition were not true. They simply were not true, and they were put in a way that fooled people. And by the way, I've noticed that you had talked about how the Ethics Commission was weaponized, even within your own situation here, how many times that the getting charged with an ethics violation then ends up being held up as, oh, look at all this, you know, this corruptness which is going on.

And all of your stuff was kicked out. I noticed that Andreas Blex Ethics Commission complained, one of them, about the airport, was dismissed last Friday. I don't know if you saw that or not. Yet another one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, I think the newspapers has gotten a little better. It used to be you got an ethics complaint.

It was front page paper. And then a year later, because it takes time or six months or a year, it takes a long time to run through the gotlet. And then when you get, it gets dismissed, oh, you might get on the fifth or sixth page. You might be a little blurp about it, you know? Yeah. So, you know, the courier at least this time, you know, put it out front. But I've had, I've lost count. It's close to 30.

I've had my political career. Not, and every single one has been dismissed, Bill. But the process is the punishment, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Because everybody remembers you had an ethics complaint, and very few people realize that it ever gets dismissed. Yeah, so much for that. I want to talk about something that is being that people are gathering signatures for right now,

I don't know if they understand the importance of this one. And it's about the repealing of the death tax. Could you explain why it is important and why it is such a problem the way Oregon treats estates? And when somebody dies, what happens to their property, the disposition of it? Right. So it's actually an estate tax. And it's upon the death of the person that has the estate. So before 2011, it was tied to whatever the federal government was doing.

And they disconnected from that in 2011. So if it was still connected, it would be a $15 million exemption, or if it was a married couple and they had their estate planning correct with their trust or whatever, it would be $30 million. Well, they disconnected in 2011, and they made it $1 million for Oregon. You know, $1 million doesn't take very much of a business before you get to a million dollars. Just a nice restaurant, just a decent restaurant or cafe would qualify, wouldn't it? Right.

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't take much. Then, you know, the farming community, their natural resource community, really get done. because it's such a big investment for the land purchases that a lot of times when the farmer dies, we'll use farmer. His kids have to sell off some of the farms just to pay the taxes and not being able to continue to farm. So in 2012, they came up with this credit for natural resources for farms and forest operations and fishing businesses and stuff like that. But the Democrats are always great at putting a poison pill in this kind of legislation.

And so it sounds really good except what it does. There's a poison pill is whoever inherited that farm has to continue to farm it five out of eight years to qualify for the threshold. So you have to keep it as a farm then? Okay. Let me give you an example. If I'm farming my property and my son's a banker on the East Coast and I die, he has to return and farm the farm.

If he doesn't, then he has to pay. then he's only a $1 million exemption. And if the farmer's worth $10 million, he's got to pay 30% on $9 million. 30% goes to that money-grubbing state government out of your estate. Wow. Right. Yeah, it's kind of a sliding scale that's the top end. But still, yeah.

It's one of the most immoral taxes. Because, I mean, that property has been, that property, that business, or whatever it is, that restaurant has been taxed ever since it was created, right? It was never tax-free. It's always been taxed. And you pay property taxes every year on it. And the income that came from farming, it got taxed too, right? Right. All right. Right. And so it's just so a such own, but, you know, that poison pill, if I had to get, that would have been Senator Prasansky. He was always so good at putting poison pills in the good legislation. And then Republicans had to vote for it anyways because even though they're

furious over the poison pill, but it was better than nothing, okay? Right. But he was a master at doing that, taking good legislation, putting a poison pill in it, and Republicans voting for it. Is it just me or does it appear that Oregon, especially, Democrats, Oregon Democrats, especially. They don't like generational wealth unless it's in maybe their tax-free foundations. And I'm wondering if that's what this is about because it's like, because I could see how a lot of the Republican people living in the rural areas, they'll have land

and they'll have farms and they'll have resource businesses, you know, all those, those kind of things. And they don't want to see that passing on to the next generation. And essentially, that's what the estate tax does as it is. All it is is worth more than a million bucks and you're paying up to 30% to Salem. What a bunch of chislers. Just irritating to the core. Well, if you look at the budget, it's about twice as big as when I started back in 2013. So, and it's all because of taxes. It's collectivism. They want everybody to kind of be the same. Yeah, but, well, make your money like, no, not really, though. Make your money like George Soros and fund Democratic politics.

Then it's fine. Here's your nonprofit foundation, right? That kind of fun. Right. Well, and what's their famous saying? Oh, you've got to pay your fair share. Well, how about all these people that aren't participating in our society? They're not paying their fair share.

Are the homeless paying their fair share? Are people here that are illegally? getting public benefits? Are they paying their fair share? Well, we'll find out. The one thing I do know is that the Oregon repeal estate tax initiative is going on right now, and they're still trying to sign people up for it. I signed up for it at a recent gun show that I was at here. I thought it was well worth dropping a signature on. So if you get a chance, I'd suggest putting it on there because it would repeal the estate tax completely, and I think it should be gone. I think so, at least, don't you?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I wonder if all the challenge with it, though, is that most people don't have a million-dollar estate. And so maybe they're jealous of someone who has more than a million. There's like six different tax initiatives out there right now. So there's the inheritance tax, there's a gas tax, there's several of those. But there's like six of those petitions out there right now. So I encourage people to sign those because, take advantage of the initiative petition process before the Democrats get a few more members than they're to do away with that. Yeah, they'll just shut it down. Three-fifths, you're thinking, and then no more initiative petitions. And so then it's just all them. It's always about them, Herman. I appreciate the call as always.

We'll catch you next week. You be well? You take care, Bill. All right, thanks again. Former State Senator Herman Berchiger. This is the Bill Myers Show on KMED. 757. Now, you can call me if you want to talk about things that are on your mind this morning, 7705633.

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Good morning, Bill. I wanted to ask Herman about what he thinks about families who have large estates creating a trust. I created my trust a couple of years ago and put my property in it, and the way that it's written is if my wife and I die past in some kind of accident and whatnot, it specifically spells out who gets what, and there's no taxation on it. Yeah, that would seem to be a pretty good way to avoid some of that, too, putting the property in a trust. And I don't know if it's a one or two million dollar property, is it worth going through the expense and the difficulty of creating that trust? How do you see it? But trust is probably a cost of $2,000. So I would say yes.

You would. Okay. Yeah. He'd probably agree with you. I can't put words in his mouth, but it doesn't something a bad idea. But there are ways to escape it. The point is, though, we shouldn't have to be able to escape it. We shouldn't have to escape it. You know, this... Right, but there are mechanisms that will shield your property from the greedy hands of the government, and that's one of the ways to do it if you're okay with not having your property in your own personal name. All right. Point well taken. Thank you, citizen. CREBS. And of course, in your world, we wouldn't have a low voter turnout right now, wouldn't we? No, we would not. I would love to see a 90, 95 percent voter turnout to make sure

that these politicians know who's actually in charge. All right. Thank you, Citizen Crabs. That theme lets you know that it is Lucretia. Hello, Lucretia from Ashland. What's on your mind? Oh, just one comment about Ringo Starr? Yeah, Ringo Starr. I used to work at the Hyatt Regency, and he was known to have a really wonderful mill and not tip one penny. To what now? He had a lot of what? I'm sorry, I couldn't understand.

Oh, he would come into the Hyatt Regency in Maui, where I worked. Yeah. And he was known not to tip a penny. Oh, so he didn't tip? So he's cheap, in other words. Oh, yeah. And we had to pay 8% tax on whatever, you know, the charge was. They figured we got at least 8%.

Well, you know, so we'd lose money just waiting on him. I didn't know that. Now, see, that's not in the book. I didn't see anything in the book about him not tipping or not tipping people. Yeah, well, that's just real life experience. But the other question, I remember when we talked about this years and years ago about smart dust and how you couldn't really go any place, not even in a park. I mean, they could literally do this smart.

dust could land on the tree and it could hear you. This would essentially be, you know, kind of like, you know, nano electronics, very tiny electronic things done in dust form, right? Instead of, you know, discrete like you see transistors and stuff on you. It's like, but just spraying it on you, right? It would just kind of be on you. It's supposedly all over the atmosphere. Like you can't even really go into a submarine, somebody said, and, you know, have a private

conversation. It can kind of go everywhere. That's really interesting. a wild. Now, how would the smart dust, though, end up sending out its signals? Like, well, maybe it uses body heat. You mean, that's what it is. Maybe through frequency, too, or just, I don't know, that's pretty wild because, but then there's free energy. We know that there is free energy out there, and they may be using that to you know, you tend to say that we know a lot. Who is the we?

Well, put it this way, Bill. What blows my mind is we know that 9-11 wasn't caused by two planes. There was no planes. And there was building three, four, five, six, and seven also that got hit and, and, like, are just gone. Well, the one thing we do know right now, Lucretia, now, being a little sarcastic with you, bear with me, all right, that we don't need to hire destruction companies any longer. You know, all you have to do is just, you know, take some diesel fuel or jet fuel and set the floors on fire. It'll come down within just a few hours. Like, like two hours is all you need. That's all you need to do. Okay? Yeah, right. No, they used some kind of directed energy weapon where they use free energy.

Oh, so that's what you're thinking. All right. So they used the free energy to bring down the towers. That's a good one, Lucretia. But, yeah, they did. I mean, the only person that's right is Dr. Judy Wood. The architect's engineer is engineer is a total diversion. It's totally BS. It's ridiculous. You can't burn to steal that thick with thermite. It would take it. hours and there was only a little diesel fuel and you know planes can't hit a building and keep the well there was there was a lot of fuel that dumped in there but to your point though we we've had buildings burn intensely ever since and i have seen none of them collapse but that but of course it hasn't been hit by a plane and there's damage i know there's all sorts of but yeah the more i think about it logically the less logical it uh it tends to look all right so my point is but my point is that people are afraid of nukes that don't exist.

As I told you, that guy that headed up the nuclear plants, he drank the water 77 times. He says that we don't have it. Okay, so you say there's no nuclear weapons. There are no viruses, and there were no planes that hit 9-11. See, no, you see, you're going out there. There's a lot to unpack there, Lucretia. I got to go, though, okay?

We believe anything, Bill. All right, all right, yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. I don't know if I want to play, Let the Sunshine in, or if I just want to say, you know. That's with Martin.

That's the Martin conversation. Hi, good morning, KMED. Who's this? Hi. Is that my new intro theme song? Okay. The irony of you saying what I'm going to talk about is just the irony. Question for you, Bill.

Okay. Do you believe in coincidence? sometimes. Okay, so then we are on the same page. We aren't there yet. But I'm going to let you know. There is no such thing as coincidence. Everything is divine.

That said, Lucretia, there's a reason why you picked out that theme song for when you did, I don't know how long, about six months ago, seven months ago you even played her theme song. Let the sunshine in. She is the light of the world. Okay. Thank you very much. I'm glad we settled that. Appreciate the call.

One more, one more. Hi. Hello. Howdy, this is Don from Central Point. Hello, Don. You know, I've got a little bit of a pebble in my shoe, and I guess it's when it comes to compulsory voting. What's that? I've never missed a chance to vote.

I served in the military, but unless you agree in compulsory military, service. I feel like it's almost like going to a rock show and when the guy's putting on a four show up there and then he complains that nobody's really getting into it, nobody's clapping. I wish that some of these guys that are up there, especially the Republicans that are so used to being on the losing end, I wish they do something to earn our votes instead of feeling like they haven't coming to them. Because I used to go out and I used to knock on doors and I used to do all that, I'm like, these guys haven't earned my vote in decades. And so this is what you think is driving the apathy then.

Are we any different than the Dems that are saying, you know, I can't stand Trump? Well, you know, the thing is, I think it is different to an extent. You know, I was reading that article that the Oregonian ended up doing research, and they went up to people who expressed dissatisfaction, severe dissatisfaction with Governor Tina Kotech. And then they asked that one of them, they said, well, would you consider the Republican? Oh, no, nothing's going to change me from voting for Tina Kotech, you know, this time around. So it's... Yeah, I just thought, you know, you can't, there's no cure for stupid.

Guess not. Yeah, not noticing what is connected with the policies that you are unhappy about. But anyway, appreciate the call. Thanks for checking in.