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Episode Date: May 13, 2026

Great talk with Tom Clavin, author of VENGEANCE - The Last Stands of Custer, Crazy Horse, and Sitting Bull. open phone topics, D62 quiz and more.

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Or with Bill Meyer. It's a pleasure to have Tom Clavin back. It's number one, New York Times bestselling author. He's worked as a newspaper editor, magazine writer, TV and radio commentator, reporter for the New York Times.

He's received awards, rather, I should say, from the Society of Professional, journalists, which probably meant more back in that day. Would that be fair, Tom? Maybe back when you won that. You know, to get an award for the society of professional journalists is satisfying any time, whether it was in the past or yesterday. It's a great organization, and I'm very proud to be a journalist. Yeah. Well, you have just amazing. Do you consider yourself a writer of history? Is that mostly what you tend to do? It seems like there's a lot of this in the West that you tend to focus on here. Is that what you've written about all the time? Tell us a bit about that. Yeah, most of the time. I also have written several books that take place during World War II.

But I think a writer of history is accurate, and American history that I very rarely have spilled over into a different kind of country or part of the world. America history is fascinating, and it still does. If they ever get tired of it, and I'm very, very fortunate that I get to write about it and make a living out of it. Well, you know, it seems to me that, and I've talked with another historian type who I spoke to a few weeks ago that wrote a piece that I so admired that I admire people who are able to take history and so often it has been, you know, it's kind of like we get TV dinner kind of history in government school. Would you agree the way that it's done? And to the kids, it's boring and they're not interested in learning more about it, whether it's, you know,

the founding of the nation and what happened in between then. You're not really getting the story, and yet what really happened was, in many cases, really exciting. Yeah, that's a very good point. That what really happened is really exciting. And also what the characters that I've written about, you know, Wyatt Ear, Bat Masters and Wild Bill Hickok, George Custer, Sitting Bull, Crazy, Red Cloud, you know, they turn out to be much more fascinating than you would think. And the more you know about them, and the more you know about these events, I think the better sense you get of American history and the people who made it happen. Yeah, the way, and the way that most of it gets painted is that just white hats,

bad, white hats versus black hats, right? And yet it's a little more nuanced and complex than that when you agree, especially when you, and by the way, his latest book, I'm going to hold it up to the camera here. It's vengeance, the last stands of Custer, crazy horse, and sitting bull. And it's a, you know, I learned stuff about this, especially during the little big horn battles sections near the end there that I didn't really get, I didn't really get that, especially in high school. You know, we just kind of glossed over it. It says, okay, everybody died, you know, it's kind of what we were told.

Next chapter. Yeah, yeah, next chapter. And there we go. And how many died? How many died at Little Bighorn? A lot of people. Okay, so why don't you give us a more, a more nuanced version of what happened there? Because you're telling it from the Indian side.

You're telling it from the cavalry side of it. And, of course, Custer, a larger-than-life. a character for sure. Kind of a media hound in his later years, and maybe that, do you think maybe his being a media hound in his later years contributed to going down in flames

over at the Little Bighorn? Yes, because I think he puts a lot of pressure on himself to come through for the U.S. Army. I mean, he was sent out there as the Army's a main attack dog, because he had a good record as a field commander, and he thrived

in battle. You know, he just love battle. Where he's most comfortable was in the middle with the bullets flying and the smoke and the screaming and everything else that was going on. So the idea that he might have to retreat, get defeated or retreat and not attack a large force of Indians, that would be reported all over the place. I mean, as we all know, being a celebrity is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, there's perks that go with it. On the other hand, if something goes wrong or you lose it something or there's some kind of scandal, that gets all the headlines too. So Custer was facing not a scandal necessarily, but headlines that he was not as victorious, everybody expected him to be.

So why don't you set up? So what was the setup that led to ultimately to Little Big Horners? A lot of this. And all you can do is kind of give us the thumbnail sketches because we don't have time to go through the entire book. Right, right. Well, 1876 was a centennial year for the United States. And in fact, Custer himself was supposed to be the Grand Marshal of a big parade in Philadelphia. you, once he got back from the West, covered in glory from having this great victory.

So he was sent out there to have this great victory, and he was supposed to track down the soup, led by sitting bull and crazy horse, attack them, defeat them, come back, and not only be celebrated as part of the centennial, but the Democratic Party had set up a system by which he could have been nominated for president of the United States. No kidding. Yeah, things had turned out differently in 1876, a little big horn. George Custace could have been the 19th president of the United States. But to be fair, though, the setup for Little Bighorn was kind of a political action of sorts, right?

Isn't that right? Well, it was. You know, the grant administration put a lot of talk behind that they were going to defeat the Indians, get them all back on reservations, make the West safe for settlement and for businesses and families and churches and schools and all that kind of stuff. And so the Sitting Bull is basically saying, we don't want to fight anybody. We just leave us alone. You know, this is our land. We just want to stay on it and do it to the hunt and knock on reservations.

So the aggression was on the side of the U.S. Army. And then sitting well, once he decided that he had to fight, he had no other choice. They fought with a vengeance. And boy, I tell you, there was no quarter offered from the most part. When you described those battles and what would happen to people after they were killed, or even if they weren't quite killed, yikes. never really knew that. We're used to, a lot of times in battle,

you're talking about the British against the minute men and battles between great armies or navies and stuff like that. The little bighorn was representative of the really nasty down and dirty battles that were being held out west between the U.S. Army and the Indians. And a lot of these troopers were recently alive for $13

a month and some of them ended up being killed and mutilated, sometimes mutilated, then killed. Well, yeah, I think the description that stood out in one of the chapters was the head pounded into jelly with a stone club. That was Tom Custer, George's brother. Yeah, George's brother, yeah. And it's like, yeah, where you couldn't even identify people. It was difficult to identify people once they were recovered.

I'm glad you mentioned that, too, because one of the unknown things that I put in the book is that it was a tragedy, it tries to see not just for the U.S. Army and for the nation, but for the Custer family. George was killed, his brother Tom was killed, his brother Boston was killed, his nephew, Audie Reed was killed, his brother-in-lawed-law, Jimmy Calhoun was killed. I mean, the custer failure was almost completely wiped out by this one battle. What do you say about the little bighorn that stirred your imagination that wanted to do this? Was it to set the record straight, was to put a little more meat on the bones, so to speak, over the comic book characters the way it tends to be characterized in your standard? history book and school. Yeah, all of the above.

In addition to next month being the 150th anniversary of the little big one battle. And I think, too, when you think about one of the great signature battles that took place in the 1800s on American soil involving Americans, you can talk about the Alamo, you can talk about Gettysburg and maybe Antietam, but certainly post- Civil War, you're hard-pressed to think of a battle on American soil for the rest of the 1800s. That was as famous as celebrated and as significant as Little Big Horn. Do you believe that Custer was actually killed by his brother? There were some rumors that there was about that, or was it his cousin or something?

Who was it that, you know, that you had alluded to in that? Yeah, there are many bits of evidence. Nothing completely conclusive that George Custer was killed by his brother, Tom, because George was killed by a bullet to the chest and then a bullet to the head. And the speculation has been for decades that once he was hitting the chest and fell down, Tom realizing, maybe being the last man standing for all we know, realizing that his brother could be, you know, really subjected to some nasty stuff that he was captured alive. He put the gun to his head and shot him and killed him and then killed himself.

So it's an act of mercy a lot of times that soldiers would do this to someone, they cared about. They would do it to someone, and they would do it to themselves. You know, they thought there are stories about when Army soldiers felt that they were going to be overrun and rather than be captured by the Indians and expecting to be tortured, they would save the last bullet for themselves. How would they torture them, by the way, about getting, well, of course, you can't help to get graphic, but that's the part that, you know, it gets kind of glossed over, I think, in a lot of history. Yeah, they would use their knives surgically, let's say. And they would slice things off.

They would disembowl people. They would do all kinds of nasty, nasty stuff that you might think, well, what savages? But in the Indian culture, they believe that how you went to the afterlife is how you, what your body was at the time of your death. So they would gouge out eyes. They would hack off limbs because this way you wouldn't have an enjoyable afterlife because you were a bad person. In other words, it was not the Dances with Wolves type of story. is in reality. Other than you probably would better off being attacked by a wolf.

Okay. I'll take that to the bank here. Tom Clavin is with me, and I think this is another great book. I think this would make a good Father's Day gift, wouldn't you think? People who like to read history? I think so. I would think so. I mean, it's male nonfiction, which is not the greatest category these days because

so much of it is romantic fiction and fantasy fiction and things like that. But there still seems to be a market for nonfiction, history stories, military history that's geared more towards the male audience. And I would dare say testosterone charged. There's a lot of that there. I mean, you're not pulling your punches. But what do you think you will, that we think you'll be most surprised about it? You know, a reader picks this up and, you know, a couple of things come to mind, like things

that I never do, like even the, you know, the death of Custer. And, of course, a lot of this had to be reconstructed because it wasn't exactly like there were a lot of survivors to say exactly what happened, right? Isn't that true? You know, there were survivors that gave testimony later, and that not the entire regiment was wiped out. Custer's immediate command was. But there were officers and soldiers of the 7th Cavalry who were not obviously killed being with Custer, but who participated in the battle. And this might be sound kind of funny, but there was one survivor of Custer's command.

And it was a four-legged survivor named Comanche. There was a horse that belonged to Captain Mike. miles Keough, the wounded numerous times, the horse survived, was put into retirement and lived for another 20 years throwing up at state funerals and funerals in Washington, D.C. They took the horse to the state funerals, really? Yes. Attended, John, President Garfield's funeral in Washington, the horse that Comanche attended, was part of the funeral cortize.

And actually, you can still see Comanche to this day because when he died, he was stuffed, and he can now be found at Ohio University. I love the part about Crazy Horse. And it was about, I guess the rumor was, and that's why he was such a feared warrior, is that it was thought that he couldn't be killed. And you talked about, I guess, near in Little Big Horn, which he's like riding through the Union soldiers, or, you know, the American soldiers at that point, just riding through and screaming. And it's like nothing touched him as he wrote through that.

What happened? And Crazy Horse's story is incredible. incredible character. He was a great, great warrior, perhaps the greatest of American warrior in American history. And he did believe that bullets could not touch him. And you'd think, okay, well, all we need is one bullet to prove that wrong.

It never happened. Never. All the battles he was in, it's concluding a little big horse. Like you just said, he was literally riding through the center of the Army line. Everybody's firing at him and nothing touched him. Yeah, everybody's firing not one scratch as he goes through it. And, wow, as the natives would have said, he had some serious medicine on him, right?

He did have some very serious medicine, yes. There was another story that I found quite interesting is that there was a, gosh, and like I said, I'm not giving away the whole thing here, but I was touched by it in which you described that there was one soldier who had been given an award from the Pope, I think it was, from the Catholic Church. and the Native Americans did not desecrate his body because they thought that he was, that he was someone honored with serious medicine once again, you know, that same kind of thing. Exactly, that was Captain Miles Keough, who was an Irishman who went to fight for the Pope, joined the Pope's army before he came to America. And as part of his reward, he was given this medal, but he always wore around his neck. And you're exactly right.

When the battle was at its waning moments, and after the battle, when all these mutilations were going on, his body was left untouched because of the middle. Yeah. And just all sorts of stories like this. The book is filled with these kind of stories of like, I didn't know that. Really? It went that way? This is why that happened?

Okay. And I realized just how little I knew about that battle. But it was one of these huge battles. I guess a crazy horse and sitting bull won the battle but ultimately didn't win the war, I would say. Would that be fair assessment what happened? Yes. That's why I subtitled the book, The Last Stans, plural, of Custer Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, because ironically, Little Big Horn was such a great victory, such an overwhelming victory,

such a shocking victory to the American public, that the U.S. government and the Army went after them with a vengeance. A year after a little big horn, crazy horse was dead, eventually Sitting Bull was murdered, and eventually all the Plains tribes that were on the reservations where, you know, the white public wanted them to be. So it probably hastened the decline of the Plains Indians. Yeah. I'm talking with Tom Clavin, and another highly recommended book here. It's Vengeance, The Last Stands of Custer, Crazy Horse, and Sitting Bull. And like I said, so much to learn about this.

And the history is scintillating and way more exciting than what I learned back in high school and junior high. Okay. Maybe somebody has a question here. I don't know. We'll hit the phones. Good morning. Who's this? Welcome.

Studios, Dad. Okay. Are you on topic or are you just calling for something else? Okay. Obviously, that's the problem when you don't have a call screener, okay? Sorry about that here, Tom, but what we're going to do here is certainly put this up and put your information up there. And I want people to get a copy of this book for Father's Day or for anybody that could just use some serious retelling of American history in a much more exciting and readable style than what they may have gotten back in school. Okay.

That sounds good to me. All right. And where do they go to find out more, huh? Well, I have a website, Tom, Clavent.com. And I have just a quick plug for independent bookstores. Please, I know there are a lot of those Amazon, other obvious places where people could buy books, but please, you know, spend some of your dollars with independent bookstores that keep us all in business. I would agree with that. The other thing I wanted to ask you about bookstores and more here. Do you think we're ever going to get to a digital book that is not controlled by either the Barnes & Noble or an Amazon.

Because, you know, a lot of times I'll default to Kindles because it's easy, but then you realize you don't really own anything all you have as a licensed. Do authors ever talk about that even amongst themselves the way it works right now? Can I get a copy of the book? I mean, I want a copy of the book that I don't have to have the Internet or Amazon alive to be able to do, to be able to make it work. Well, I think that's what books, why bookstores are still existing. You know, people can, pardon me, people can go into a bookstore and browse, talk to a clerk, some of the better bookstores around.

People are really knowledgeable about books, not just people who are making minimum wage. You could discuss books. You could discuss a book you bought last week and read. So I think there's an interactive experience of going into a bookstore and purchasing an actual book. Sometimes it's been signed by the author. Sometimes the author does these talks, and you get something inscribed by the author personally. So I think there's that human-to-human contact is still going on. That's why I love going on the road and meeting people.

Yeah. Maybe the younger generation, I've read that the younger generation is starting to get more into the actual real physical experience rather than everything being digitized, right? And there's talking about going back into vinyl music for a distribution rather than everything just being something that you download. And I wonder if maybe it'll go that way with books. What are you thinking? I think so. I think books, obviously things are going to become more digitized as we get along in the years.

But I think books are never going to go out of style because, if anything, they'll be collector's items. And people will be proud to own them. People still like to have their own libraries. It's not the same thing as seeing a reading device on a shelf. Seeing books on a shelf makes an impression. All right, very good. Tom Cliveon, Vengeance, the last stands of Custer, Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull. Tom, always a pleasure.

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You may see new pavement in some areas, but we're also installing safety features to help prevent deadly crashes. And we're making it easier to get around no matter how you travel. Please help us out by using caution when traveling through work zones. Slow down and don't drive when you're distracted or impaired. A message from ODOT. The Bill Myers Show is on News Talk 1063 KMED. I do believe this is Brad. Is this Brad? Morning. Hello. Is this Brad or not? Can you hear me? Yeah, I sure can. Hi, Brad. What's up? Hey, on the topic you just had on over Custer's Last Stand.

Yes. Interesting. Years ago, I was on a road trip, but I'm in my hotel room, I turn a TV on, and they're doing a documentary on Custer's Last Stand. And what's fascinating about the topic, apparently there had been some kind of a brushfire that went through the area and burned a grass down. And so the government, I don't know what department it would have been funded at. a forensic study of the whole area. And the reason I called is what was fascinating in the digging of the soil, what they found were cartridges of Henry's, which the military staff did not have access to.

The Indians did. Henry's was a repeating rifle. Oh, that's right. And, yeah, I remember now reading parts of the book in which they talked about that in many ways, some of the Indians had superior firepower based on their arms, and I'm wondering if it's because of the Henry you're talking about. It's aiding part of that whole thing to watch because I love history. But they found quite a number of shells that were Henry's ammo.

Yeah. And so it was obviously on arrows, one other weapons, the Indians had, that they were very heavily armed. But, you know, it was a number thing. Yeah, exactly. They just had more numbers. There were just way more Indians than there were cavalry. It was only a few hundred, a few hundred cavalry, but we're talking several thousand Indians. And the other aspect of that whole story that I didn't know until I was doing a read, Koster had access to two gadling guns that he didn't take to the site. Really? Yeah. Reno ended up having him. Reno was back. up a distance away and didn't enter into the fight, but he had them and he could have brought,

Custer could have brought that to where they were. Interesting story. Hey, Brad, would you like a copy of this book since you liked this kind of history? Oh, absolutely. Okay. That'd be great. Brad, I'll put your name on it, and I'm going to leave that up front here for you. I have my advanced reader copy.

I've already gone through it. And like I said, I found it just a great read, all right? I really did. Thank you so much, my friend. All right. Well, thank you, Bray. Brett, take care. All right, let me grab another call here, and then we'll get news, and then a diner 62 quiz and give away some more stuff.

Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is Tad. Hi, Tad. Hey, I have a question for your guest, and it has to do with the Seventh Cavalry. Yeah, my guest has gone, unfortunately, Tad. I'm sorry.

I ran out of time for him, but what was the question you were asking? Maybe I could email him and get, you know, maybe get a little clarity on that. The Seventh Cavalry was known as the Gary Owen, and I was wondering if the Gary Owen came from the Battle of Big Horn, because I know it was part of what the battle cry was during their battles in Vietnam and other places that the Seventh Cavalry was. And I just wondered since the history went back that far, if that might have been the source. I don't know. Could you email me that question, and I'll try to forward it over to Tom? do that? Sure. Yeah, sure.

It's Bill at Billmyershow.com, and I'll do my best to get an answer for it, and I'll pop it back to you, okay? Okay, thank you. I'll bet you he would probably know something about that. He was very good. K.M.D., good morning. Hi. Hey, Bill, Lucretia. Hi, Lucretia. What's going on with you today, huh?

Well, you know, when I type in Elmenia because of drought, you know, in the Midwest or, you know, in the Pacific, you know, we are in Oregon. Whether it's El Nino or El Nino, it says it. And yet it shows on the picture when we're not affected. It's either northern, you know, U.S. and Canada, where it creates the drought. If it's El Nino or if it's La Nino, it doesn't show us. Now, what I do see, when I take the look, I don't just assume what they're telling me. See, we assume too much. We make an ass out of us. We didn't go to the moon.

There are no viruses. People have never looked and found a virus. When you look at the, how they do it. You know, that's nonsense, Lucretia. That is nonsense. Nonsense. That is nonsense. Why?

Why? No, that is nonsense. Viruses have indeed been isolated. This is nonsense. They've never been isolated and tested to kill anything. They use monkey, kidney cells. They use an antibiotic. product that's really harsh on them. They reduce the nutrient down to 1%. Try to survive on 1% of your

nutrition. Then they injected it or they injected it into the brain. How often have you got a virus from somebody that injected it into your brain or injected it, you know, and... Well, I can't answer that question because I think your premise, though, is wrong. I'm sorry. But anyway, okay, so give me your weather take. Don't go off on another thousand tangents right now. Okay. So what I do is I go to that early... Not an old school, which is not a conspiracy site. This is NOAA. And if you look at the wind, they make no sense.

There's no way we're getting our normal wind. And they can heat up an area and block the... Yeah, well, you see, you're the one that claims that there is, you know, that in other words, there is weather directing radar coming out of the radar station at the top of Mount Ashland. They're not my patents. I'm not everybody from... You know, you know, Southern Lucretia, you say that these, you say that these

winds, these winds don't make sense. Yeah, it does. Wind hits the hills, moves different direction. Bill, if you look out there, it's not a normal wind coming. It's literally split in this accident. All right. Well, I don't know what, I don't want to tell you, Lucretia, I just, I disagree with your concept there.

I really do with your premise. And I don't know, we have a lot of different microclimates here. and they tend to miss Ashland, I guess. Maybe you're just lucky. I got to go. I don't have time to. It makes my teeth hurt sometimes. All right, she's the light.

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Okay, no, I do have it. You know, sometimes I get, I'm sitting there and I'm talking with somebody and I'm frustrated and I have the quiz in my hands and I start going, okay, all right. But anyway, Cherry's here. Cherry, what's on your mind today, huh? Welcome. Well, I think we should dexterize everybody we don't like. All the criminals, all the homeless, just wrap up plastic and have them in the heart. Okay, so does that mean the person who is saying 86-47 is really saying Dexterize 47? Is that what you think he's meaning? Yes, sir, Bob. Yeah.

That's the thing. And I think I love that show. I wish it was still on. I mean, I just cannot get enough of it. He's so cute that Michael C-ho. Oh, my God. A cute serial killer. I have never watched one episode of Dexter.

Not one. You're missing everything. And I hate that stuff. I do not like it, but it's so well written. And with Clyde Phillips, I think we're living in a Clyde Phillips movie right now. Now, that's an interesting quote. Cherry, a delight as always. And thank you.

Okay. Okay. All right. Bye. So we're living in that movie. Okay. 770563. If you haven't played the Diner 62 Real American Quiz, you can do it here in just a couple of minutes and get that clamped chatter, get that amazing. Well, today, by the way, is meatloaf Wednesdays. Comes with mashed potatoes, brown gravy, and corn. And it's good stuff. A little bit of history we'll be talking about next.

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Morning, who's this? It's Ron here in Medford. All right, Ron and Medford. Vice President Nixon is attacked during a goodwill trip through Latin America. Richard Nixon's car is attacked by an angry crowd nearly overturned while traveling. And the incident was the dramatic highlight of a trip characterized by Latin American anger over some of the U.S. Cold War policies. Okay, that's what we're looking at here. Now, by 1958, relations with the United States had reached the lowest point in years.

Latin Americans complaining that the U.S. focus on the Cold War and anti-communism failed to address their pressing economic and political needs. Now, the question for the win this morning, which country was Nixon in when his car was nearly overturned with him in it? All right? Now, I have five choices for you. Was it A, Venezuela, B, the Dominican Republic, C, Uruguay, D, Cuba, or was it E, Peru? One of those five. What do you say?

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The answer is A. It was while driving through Caracas, Venezuela. The trip began with some controversy, Nixon engaging in bitter debates with student groups, and then, yeah, took a dangerous turn. Miraculously, they escaped from the crowd. They sped away, but in Washington, President Eisenhower dispatched U.S. troops to Venezuela to rescue Nixon from further threats, if necessary, not occurred, and the vice president ended up taking off ahead of schedule.

The U.S. Award of Legion of Merit medals to Venezuelan dictator Marcos Perez Jimenez, 1884, in 1954, rather, and he was overthrown by a military coup just months before the incident. And the riot there was kind of a wake-up call. So that's what happened. Congratulations. You're off the diner, 62. You want you to hang on, okay? Make sure and get you all set up. We'll have another one of these on Friday. For unknown reasons, Memorial Day weekend is synonymous with buying furniture. And for obvious reasons, saving money on furniture is synonymous with the Memorial Day sale at Garrison's home. Through Memorial Day, enjoy no interest financing till 2028 OAC and savings up to 50% off almost everything in our huge 30,000 square foot

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Michael on Lucretia. Bill, the reason why we're having windy weather is because cool air meets warm air, Miss Lucretia. I know, I know, I get it, I get it. Jim on the 8647 sign, Bill, my take on the 8647 stuff, consider the source. Comey knows better due to the positions he's held in leadership. If I called the law for every sticker that has 8647 on it, we'd thin out drivers in Grants Pass. Even the statements made by certain Democrats I've heard, it's unbelievable. I consider the source. Comey and his post could lead to something.

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