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This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. Welcome to Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Heard a good one lately. Go ahead and jump on it. 770-5633-770 KMED, the email bill at Billmeyer's show.com.

And the Facebook.com slash Bill Meyer's show is open. Yeah, the webcam here, ready, Facebook Live cam, Facebook Live.com slash Bill Myers Show. We'll get you to that feed here right now if you wanted to watch what's going on, which is me, all right? But you can join 77056337.0KMED. A quick update here on probably the only race here in Southern Oregon that there's been any question as to where it's going and what happened. And that's with which Democrat is going to be running against Brad Hicks to take the place of Jeff Golden. who is retiring at the end of this of this year. And at this point, it is still Denise Krause in the lead.

I mean, gosh, you know, she's run for a lot of offices, whether it's the county commission this time, it's going to be for state Senate. She has a, let's see, I'm just doing a count here. Still, even with the update this morning, 209 vote lead. That's not very much when you're talking about 12, 13,000 votes, you know, overall. Actually, there were 17,000 Democrat votes that were involved in this. this one. That drove a lot of the primary voting, as far as I'm concerned, which also led to,

well, with Tanya Morrow running RBTD and then RVTD's bond measure passes for another five years, yet another five-year temporary fix of taxpayer heroin for buses that don't have a lot of people in them. Well, you know what, it's like, you know, progressives are very big on buses as long as other people ride them, As long as they don't have to ride them, they're okay. I think it's kind of how that works. It's kind of like the bicycle spandex mafia, too, for that matter. But it looks like it is going to be Denise Krause, unless something changes, unless we have a lot of mail-in ballots

that end up getting dug up that make it in because, you know, you have up to a week in the state. Yeah, there's nothing corrupt about that, that you could have up to a week for the ballots. I'll put them in scary air quotes to come in. And, you know, if you need it, you know, 209, And that would be enough in a cheap machine someplace to make up, wouldn't it? Yeah?

Not that I would ever imply that anything toward but ever be going on in such a place. But anyway, that is the latest. So it looks like it is going to be Denise Krause. You know, the other unspoken story about this is it kind of slid by in the news cycle with all the conversation about the elections. But most of the Metford City Council ended up endorsing Brad Hicks, Republican Brad Hicks, including the mayor. And so they endorsed him for the Senate race, and they had Kevin Stein.

Kevin Stein Democrat is right there on the Medford City Council. And I can't imagine that was real comfortable, right? You're all coming in there and Kevin's saying, well, I don't know. Maybe Kevin's used to that being the, you know, the odd man out Democrat on the city council. But yet practically everybody else endorses his opponent. But Kevin, of course, didn't make it only about to, 10% of the votes this time around, but I was thinking, boy, yeah. Yeah, hey, thanks, guys.

Could you at least wait it until the primary was over? You know, that would have been probably the way to do it. Just saying, by the way, I did not get a chance to watch the city council last night. I was busy doing some family things last night. Does anybody know, did they end up voting for the alternative, the 2A alternative to move forward with going with two lanes? and a non-buffered bike lane and the parallel parking. Just let me know, please. 770-563377-OK, M-AD.

Before we get on to other news, I wanted to note the Democrat that ended up getting 17% in the state senator race. It was 17.72%. 3,000 votes for Christian Mendoza Ruvul-Kaba. This guy is someone to watch out for. And I'd never heard of him before. Now, he was a nurse. And the Oregon Nurses Association gave him, last time I checked, close to $100,000.

Yep, the Nurses Union gave him close to $100,000. If I understand the figures that I was looking at correctly. And, oh, my gosh, this guy is one of the most radical candidates. Maybe a nice guy, but one of the most radical candidates that has come around here. in southern Oregon for quite some time. And the Oregon Nurses Association gave them close to $100,000. You ever get that feeling that when you go into a hospital system here in southern Oregon, that whatever you do, do not talk politics, whatever you do,

do not wear your mega hat, whatever you do, don't sing the praises of President Trump. Do you ever get that feeling when you're going into the hospital system here in southern Oregon? given the harsh left political bent of the Oregon Nurses Association, almost $100,000 they gave to Christian Rufelkaba. Wow. Yeah, keep your head down. You're in the hospital and then you request to see Fox News. You want to watch Fox News?

Oh, you get extra special treatment. I'm just kidding. I'm only half kidding, but I hope that's not the case. You wonder sometimes. I mean, I've taken people in and out of the hospital. I haven't had to go to the hospital myself. you know, God willing, thank goodness. You know, things have been working pretty well.

But you ever wonder about that? The more you read about the Oregon Nurses Association and everything that that union pushes. Of course, I'm wondering if maybe nurses who are in the Oregon Nurses Association, just because you have to be in it, you know, as part of being a nurse here in Southern Oregon, are you okay with the political, the harsh political bent, and that they took $100,000 of union dues and gave it to one of the most radical Senate candidates that we've probably seen here in Southern Oregon for a long time. You can talk about that if you want.

770KM and E 18 minutes after 6. There are other headlines too and we'll do that, but what's on your mind? Let me know. This is the Bill Meyer show on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Right back. If your garage or overhead shop door need service or repair, please consider American industrial door.

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What's your conspiracy? Have you heard a good one? Hello, Phil. Are you there? Yep. I'm here. Welcome. Okay.

Well, I wake up at about 3.34 o'clock every morning. And I kept track today, and I think it's designed to drive us crazy. Is that ZipRecruiter commercial, that ad? Oh. That jingle. ZipRecruiter, try it free. Right? Oh, oh my God, yes.

That just broke my head right there. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to. Makes my teeth hurt. So there always seems to be a new one. It used to be like, you know, then it was total whining more that got played over and over and over on some of the places. And then now it's zip recruiter, I guess, right? Yes, yes.

Well, I'm very sorry. Would you like me to put out like a zip recruiter detector and mute your radio when that happens? Yes, please, Bill. Thank you so much. Have a good day. Hey, I will do my best, Phil. I'll get with a boss on that. I'm sure there's some software available.

Actually, I thought it was kind of innocuous and kind of like, you know, the one that used to get me that for the longest time they were playing. It was the one the take on Lowrider. You know, I sir they. And I really like this song, Lowrider. And so it's just like, oh, please don't ruin this song. All right. You know, it's like as people get older and they're getting ready to exit the music world, you know, that sort of thing, and you have to sell it off.

I mean, they probably made more money. War probably made more money from that than they ever made selling low rider into the market back in the 1970s. Iserva probably paid them a whole bunch more. But look, I remember it. You know, what it is. I survey. So I guess that's good advertising. If James Brown were around, would it be, if James Brown were still around,

Brown would it be, this is James Brown for the pins. Hit me. Each morning I wake up at 7.30 to go to the bathroom. But I don't get out of bed till 8. Hey! All right, that's enough nonsense. And let me go to Dave. Hello, Dave.

You were in the hospital. I was raising the question. If you are in the hospital, are you careful to not talk politics? I noticed that the Oregon Nurses Association threw $100,000 in the pocket of Christian, one of the most radical leftists running for state senate. here in southern Oregon.

So in Sacramento, I could just turn on the TV and turn on Fox News. That wasn't a problem. Nobody said it's a word. Uh-huh. But, you know, I didn't talk politics because I'm in Sacramento, and you've got to be careful with that. But a lot of the nurses there were, some of them were born here, but they were some of, you know, descent and some were from the Philippines.

And I talked to this one, and she said her name is. Ameri-American. And so I kept on calling her America. And boy, did she light up. So I said, America on America. That's really sweet. That's a sweet story, Dave. That really is. Yeah. And, you know, they were all really, really nice. And, you know, but can you understand my concern here when I look at what the Oregon Nurses Association? I mean, first, they're all in on the tranny stuff. They're all in on every. LGBTQ agenda that there is, every island of misfit humans kind of policy they're all in on, and then they end up spending $100,000 of union member money to send, you know, Christian. The first time I went there for the first surgery back in 2022, I guess I tried to get up and

walk around when I was coming out of recovery. And I guess it took seven nurses to hold me down and won to do that, and I was quoting, if you let men and women's sports, you'll never see your grandda daughters ever get a, ever get it. Well, you know, I hope it wouldn't be that if an Oregon nurse were to hear you say that, that they give you the bubble. You know, here comes the air bubble, Dave, you know. You hateful man.

I'm only half kidding. I mean, I really do wonder about these things. Do you ever question if you have to go into the hospital system, that you better hide your politics, given the politics of the Nurses' Union? Maybe it's just the Nurses' Union's upper management. I don't know, but I could imagine it giving some people pause. Good morning. Hi, KMED. This is Bill. Who's this?

Good morning, Bill. Terry. Terry, what's on your mind today? Well, it wasn't it back in the day? If you didn't own property, you couldn't vote on raising your taxes. I think we should go back to that. Why should somebody that doesn't have a dog in the fight be able to raise property taxes? Well, because one man, one vote in our democracy, Terry, democracy. But I'm with you, actually.

I don't think that anybody should be able to vote on a property tax measure to raise property taxes unless you actually own property, not rent property, own property in the district. and I know that that would probably be totally illegal according to current Supreme Court precedent to maybe Oregon state law. I'm just saying that in a moral law, that's the way it is, because as it is right now, the takers end up being able to vote higher taxes on people who can't defend themselves. And if you are an out-of-town landlord, I'll give you an example here, Terry. My sister-in-law lives in Roosch, but she has property in the state, I'm sorry, in Jacksonville. So she lives in Roche, has the business in Jacksonville, and has absolutely no say on what they do with either the water bills or able to take care of property tax levies. Nothing like that.

Can't control anything. And I think that's incredibly immoral that they have no say in something like that. Thanks for the call. I wanted to take one more. Hi, KMEDA. Good morning. Hey, Bill is David. David.

Good to hear from you. It's on your mind. Thanks. Great show today. I'll try to make this fast. So, you know, I was, my wife ended up, we don't really go to doctors very often. She ended up in the hospital at Providence and kind of a freak accident, had to have emergency surgery. And, you know, I was so, you're so transcendent in that place, you know, you're really focused on what's happening and nothing else.

And so I took the time to talk to every nurse and tell them, like, you know, hey, I really appreciate what you're doing. Yeah. It's a really sacred obligation caring for people. and I really appreciate that you are healers. Are you trying to grease this kids or kind of a self-protective kind of thing? I mean, is it because of my concerns over the politics or something else? I'm hoping that's not the case, and I would imagine that most nurses would never even cross their mind. But the nurse's union is so radical, I can't help and wonder, do you?

Well, I'm going to tell you, it wasn't a self-preservation. I had actually committed a year before that visit that if I'm ever in a circle of people, I'm going to use the word healers because I'm going to see why are you really in this business? And I found out from this stay in the hospital for 24 hours that the people are taught to be really, you know, distant and separate from the patients, right, treat it like a job. And I'll tell you what. So I had a very, it's kind of like a survey. And some people took you, they didn't like that word.

And some people did the doctor that saved your life when he came in to check on a couple hours after surgery. I said, hey, I really want you to know, you know, like it's really obvious you are a healer. And that man, Bill, I'm going to tell you something. He turned around towards the wall in front of a nurse and us, and he started crying in front of us. Really? Because, yes, this family was quasi-retired, a skilled surgeon, saved my wife's life, you know. And they are in that bubble, that industrial, you know, fluorescent light bubble of the hospital, people are so separate from the work and the obligation they're doing. So, yeah, you get some lefty atheist antifa in there, which is the archetype you're describing that would actually kill you, you know, and think they're fighting Trump or whatever, right?

that's really what, you know, we're afraid of. And there were people in that hospital that when I said that made the most, the darkest looks at me like, oh, I would, don't use that word on me, you know, like, I am a, you know, whatever. It's a long conversation, but I'm just going to tell you, the people in the hospitals, you have to remind them or encourage them to be engaged with their work. You know, you're caring for people. You can't be there for a paycheck, you know, and it's a sacred obligation. And so, you know, I like that term because you're absolutely right. It's sacred obligation. This is it. And I wonder if the system really kind of prefers to sort of, I know, maybe they feel a little beat down in the system where you just feel, eh, just a cog in the

industrial medical system, you know, that sort of deal. Well, yeah, I mean, we love to industrialize everything and depersonalize it. And so, but I would just say, you know, whenever you're, and you know, my story, Bill, let's not go into it. But, you know, in that hospital, you have a choice to engage with people, and they are doing really hard work. They're seeing hard things. And they're seeing it for all of us. You know, all of our sick people, they don't stay at home. They go to the hospital. So they're seeing all the sick people, and they're doing it for 12-hour shifts.

And, you know, if their personal beliefs are in such an alignment, that becomes, I mean, they get tired. They'll become tired and angry and hate people. And so I think any time you have the interface with the healthcare system, let's call it that, remind people that they are, that they, even if there's some kind of pent-up presentful atheist or whatever, they are in that building doing work to heal and help people. In other words, remind them of the love and the sacred obligation and the fact that you're appreciative of what they're doing too, right? Yeah, and I was appreciative, and they were, the baseline people working there were amazing healers, and I think it got even better in the bubble that we tried to create.

And, you know, I mean, they saved her life, and that was amazing, you know. But I just, that was my story. And I think that you got to remind those people to have that humanity within them. And that's, but it's not a self-protection. I'm just saying it's, but it would. Yeah, if you're a MAGA guy wearing a MAGA hat, you have some Bernie Sanders guy. Yeah, he might chop your liver out while you're sleeping and they had to have. You don't know.

Yeah. Well, I hope we never have to deal with something like that. But, you know, you've read these posts, these social media posts of some nurses and health professionals that have just gone off the rails. been fired over politics. But, you know, they were talking about, you know, on how they would resist, so to speak. I appreciate your story, though, sharing that. I really do. And, well, and that even kind of reminds me a few years ago when Linda was being treated

for cancer a number of years ago. And, you know, thank God. Thank the Lord. She is just doing fine. And it all worked out well. But, you know, I would take her, she was in the hospital having surgery one time. I think it was Asante, where she was having the surgery. and you know and I don't make a big deal about coming in I'm no big wheel but you know I guess of some person but I try to keep my head down and you walk around and you hear people saying hey I hear Bill Myers wife is here I heard you know do you know who she is and that and that and going on and it's like and I'm hoping that's good but I but I wanted to make sure but I was hoping it wasn't bad you know these kind of thoughts went through my head it's like yeah just please take care of my sweet peas it's all.

You know, I wanted you to do, I don't care about your politics, and I'm hoping you can keep the politics out of medicine, but politics doesn't seem to be out of the purview of the Oregon Nurses Association, which sometimes gives me a little pause. And that's where I was coming from, at least. Hi, KMEDE, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Good morning, Joe. It's Francine. Hi, Francine. Welcome. Hi. So, listen, I just want to play devil's advocate here. This is not like an opinion of mine or whatever. But, you know, the whole thing about what only is. people that own property should be the ones to vote on issues regarding up or down with property taxes. It's consent of the government the way I look at it. I understand completely.

The other side of that coin, and like I said, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. It's not like I'm pushing any opinion. There are people who don't own property who might really need the services that are involved with this vote. And then I would say, too bad, so sad. Yeah, because I don't think anybody has an inherent. right to money from someone else's pocket? Well, then how, who's, what about people in Congress and the Senate?

Aren't we, you know, aren't taxpayers paying that salary? Oh, hey, hey, listen, you know, we're just arguing about, you know, who should be allowed to permit the theft. If someone's going to steal from me in order to redistributed to services, no matter how well needed. I think that only people who have dogs in the fight, not the service receiver, should be the one deciding whether or not they are willing to pay for that service. That's the way I would tend to look at it.

There's just me, though. Just me. Okay. Well, I kind of disagree with you on that to some degree. I mean, now. Then see, then we're okay. Then you can never complain about taxes because all the tax is 50% plus one and you steal from everybody else that doesn't want it.

And I just look at the entire concept of taxation as immoral in the first. place. We're just arguing about... Well, to some degree, yeah. I mean, we could find better ways to handle this. But right now, this is the method that we have to deal with. We haven't been able to come, you know, all these 250 years of America. But you see, you can always find a bunch of people that want to take money from somebody else for their individual service that they feel that they need. You'll always find that. You'll always find that. There's always somebody willing to steal from somebody else and call a taxation

and services. There's always somebody willing to do that. There's also trying to leach off of things, but they need some help here. Okay. The need does not provide the moral authority to take, does it? But the services are, okay, so you're saying like we should get rid of the, you know, social services and stuff because taxpayers have to pay for it. Yeah, I do. I really do. And in all honesty, I think in a proper moral world, we would be returning to what churches, religious institutions, social services,

service, they were, they were a volunteer. It was a volunteer type situation, which also meant that we had, which meant that we also had the ability to pass judgment and not just give somebody services because they have a pulse. Well, that, that is true, but that there's not enough, first of all, okay, aside from the fact that a lot of people don't belong here, the ones that do belong here that are proper citizens that need, do need help on occasion and it happens. You know, that I mean, And there are women who are in terrible conditions. I get it. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I really do. I understand that.

I understand. But the need, there's always more need. And so we have decided that, you know, instead of giving voluntarily, we're going to force everybody to give at the office, which I think removes the ability of people to enjoy actually helping someone rather than feeling the resentment of having stuff stolen from them. Maybe we talk a little bit more about this after seven, okay? but I'll be right back. I got to go right now. Okay? All right. But yeah, you can always find a Peter willing to steal from Paul.

Because they think, well, Paul has it and I need it. That's the entire concept of government, all of it. Theft is okay. We call it taxes. Ready to upgrade your roof to a durable, sleek metal option? Look no further than Stephen Westfall Roofing Inc. With their state-of-the-art snaplock machines, they bring precision and efficiency right to your doorstep. No need to worry about transporting materials. They come directly to your. your project property. Visit Stephen Westfall Roofing Inc.com and discover the ease and quality of metal roofing done right. Transform your home with Stephen Westfall Roofing Inc. Call today to get an estimate tomorrow. 541-941-3736. Ccccccc. Cccccccc. Cccccuit

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A lot of economic news leads the reports today, starting with health care as Providence Health and Services announces its planning to stop offering most of its Oregon health insurance plans next year. saying the costs are going up, the regulation here's tough, more competition hitting them from out of state. Oregon Live reports Providence wants to refocus on providing health care instead of operating an insurance company. The state's chief economist just released the economic outlook and revenue forecast for Oregon. The report saying stronger job growth had been expected that Middle East tensions putting strain on consumers and businesses in Oregon. Still, the state is looking at an extra $345 million than expected in the third quarter of this year, mostly because of high corporate profits offsetting less money coming in from working taxpayers.

Meanwhile, House Republican leader Lucetta Elmer paints a different picture in a statement released yesterday. She said revenue may be up on paper, but that's not the same as real economic growth. It's up because the majority party raised taxes on Oregonians by disconnecting from federal tax relief, not because Oregon families and employers are thriving. And continuing on the economic theme, Oregon's unemployment rate remains unchanged, 5.2,000, percent. That's higher than the federal jobless rate at 4.3 percent. Health care and social service jobs continue to grow, while professional and business services continue to lose lots of jobs in the state. Around 9,300 workers have been let go in that sector over the last year. Bill Meyer, KMED News.

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I always enjoy speaking with her. She's known worldwide as America's psychiatrist and the terrorist therapist, a sane mind, crazy world, I think is how we refer to her, but Dr. Carol Lieberman, welcome back to the show. Always a pleasure. Good morning. Thank you so much. Good morning. I wanted to check in with you because I've been kind of watching from a distance, from a distance rather, about what's going on with Spencer Pratt in the L.A. mayoral race.

And you have a big dog in this fight given what happened. In fact, maybe if you could just tell people what happened your experience in the fires of the other year. Well, yes, I've had, you know, in L.A., if you want to live in an area where there's nature, you expose yourself to more fire. So, you know, since I've come here, I have lived in a number of places, one place, Calabasas where the fire came up to my doorstep. You know, there was a road, a two-lane road between the fire on one side in my house. And then in 2018, I was affected by the Woolsey Fire in Malibu. And I'm actually just supposed to be going back into my house in the next couple of days.

And then we have now these new fires. There are three fires going in L.A. right now. And in the meantime, for this current fire, the current fire, I had to move my horse from one of the areas of Gora Hills because that was close to one of the fires. Now, what's happening here and why Spencer Pratt really has a lot of people behind him who want him to win, including myself, is that they are, they, by they, I mean Karen Bass, the current mayor, and Governor Newsom, are letting places burn. Really? Particularly the fire that Spencer Pratt, where his house and his parents' house burned, that was the Palisades fire. And that happened in January of 2025. And it affected Pacific Palisades.

It affected some areas of Santa Monica and Brentwood and leave in Malibu. You know, one of the sort of shocking things, the houses in Malibu burned that are near, that are sort of towards the south end nearer to Pacific Palisades, but including houses on the beach, I always thought, you know, that would be the safest house to be near the water, right on the edge of the water. And yet on Pacific Coast Highway, you drive down for, I don't know exactly how many miles, but too long, too far. And you see on the right the ocean side these remnants of houses. And that, you know, it's just so shocking that, of course, it's like the embers that skip over the road, you know,

and that's how they get to these other houses. But so it's just, so every day, basically, people have to pass by the, you know, the, the haunted houses. I have the charred houses from the different fires. And, no, just to be clear, I didn't lose my house in the, in the Wolfei fire, but it became so involved with smoke and ash and foot and bad stuff that, you know, it took quite a while to clean it up. And also the foundation was broken because after the rain, I mean, after the fire, there were rains.

And so there was a mudslide. Anyhow, so no sooner am I planning to move back than we now have another fire. Now, what they do is, and the reason why they do this, is because it's what they did in Maui. They want to come in and take the land, you know, especially land in the nicer places, because it's the idea is that if people can't afford to rebuild, and, you know, there's a whole other issue with the insurance, companies who they drove out of California because the insurance companies can't afford to stay in here and lose money, fire after fire after fire. So then the state comes in and they buy up the land that people can't afford to rebuild on or also don't get permit to rebuild on. You know, that's another little sneaky thing that they do.

They don't give you a permit. And then they take the land and they use it to build these, you know, low-cost. housing, and they're trying to do 15-minute cities, which is what the W-E-F want. Oh, so that's, and we were, I was wondering if this is what that whole plan was, because it sure looks like that's what's going on in Maui and in your particular area, which, oh, my gosh, look at this. This is so sad. Oh, the fire is burned out. Oh, we can't let this fire go, because what an opportunity this is to do the gang green reset here. And besides, you may have that property and yep you may even have a mortgage on it and gosh you have to keep paying the

mortgage you can't live in it and you know we're so sorry about this but you know we just don't the permitting process could take two three four years and so well i'll tell you what uh let's have a fire sale price and we'll buy you out right and isn't that even happening right now in hawai to a lot of those people exactly exactly yes and um and so what's interesting is that Spencer Pratt, you know, who presumably also realizes this, he is suing at the city or the, I'm not sure exactly. I think the city of L.A. and the mayor, and, you know, Mayor Bass was in Ghana at the time of the fire. And it wasn't a coincidence because for days before the fire, the fire of January, 2025, the Palisades fire. there were warning of the fact that there were going to be high winds and that it was a dangerous fire period.

And what does she do? She goes to Ghana for some kind of award or something like that. She was being given, I think. Well, I think it was to watch someone being sworn in as a leader. I mean, it was nothing that she had to be there for. And so, you know, very conveniently, she was out of the country. And the meantime, before she left, though, she and Newsom, made sure that there was no, not enough water in the reservoirs.

And also she decreased the money that went to the fire department, so there were less firefighters, and less firefighters, less water. And also many of the firefighters that she put in charge here, the chiefs are essentially DEI hires that appeared to be checking boxes rather than being the best firefighters and best managers of it. They were useless. And, you know, when she did a lot of this, leading up to this, fire. So there's so much that is bad, that is, that is illegal, that she hasn't gotten

caught for yet. But with this lawsuit that Spencer Pratt filed, you know, they're doing, of course, much more investigation. And things are coming out that hopefully enough will come out before the election so that people realize, you know, what a thief, Karen Bass is. Well, what a corrupt system. And, you know, we feel a lot of the election. And, you know, we feel a lot of lot of sympathy for what's going on in L.A. and also what happened in Maui. And by the way, I haven't checked in with anybody in Maui for a long time. And, you know, I would look at some drone footage. And it's, it's just heartbreaking when you see this. We had a similar situation happened here. I told you about the Almeda fires of five, six years ago during the Labor Day weekend.

We had 60-mile wind events and then some arson set fires during a 60-mile-an-hour wind events. And you can imagine the fund and frivolity. We had 2,300 homes and businesses destroyed, flattened, vanished here in southern Oregon. And the difference here, though, is that the legislature passed a law, and I have to give them credit for this one, and I wish that California had done it, too. And it was, you know, essentially, you could rebuild what you had as long as you started within a year of that. And do they have anything like that in California, anything to provide? relief of any sorts? Well, I don't think so. I've never heard of that. But what are people supposed to do for money to rebuild? See, that's one of the big problems that the insurance companies, you know,

apparently they gave people more money if your house burned down. But still, not enough. I mean, people are having a lot of trouble being able to rebuild. Yeah. Well, I think here what they were doing is that as long as you started the permitting process, you got it, you got the process started in the first year, you know, then they would, you know, what, you didn't have to have it completed in a year, you know, so, but it was that, you know, you just didn't let it sit for a few years and then start, you know, that kind of thing. No, that's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, and I think California could use a little bit about this, but I have a feeling

that this, what is happening to these property owners that are just giving up and leaving or as they want to take this, this is not a bug in the system. this is a feature in California right now, and it's highly immoral, highly immoral. And it's disgusting. And I'm wondering, though, what about the psychological? I mean, here it is you're a psychiatrist, you know, America's psychiatrist, the terrorist therapist. What level of trauma of emotional trauma must these residents around here be facing as they're

getting ready to choose another mayor to preside over the ruins, I guess? Well, a lot of trauma because not only, I mean, even if your own house, It wasn't affected by a fire. Certainly you have friends or family who were affected. I mean, it affects everybody, really, because, well, first of all, the traffic is crazy. Also, it's businesses that burned down. You know, when I first moved to California, there were fires. There weren't as many fires as there are today.

But there were fires. But when you watched it on television, there would always be fire trucks who would come surround the houses and the businesses, and they would go after the fire in the hills and wherever the fire was burning, but they would protect the houses. And so it really didn't dawn on me until later that, you know, that things had changed. And now there isn't, there aren't enough resources to protect the house. And that used to be like a given. Well, okay, there'll be a fire, but don't worry about it because, you know, there'll be 10 fire trucks on your street and, you know, that your house will burn. That's not the case anymore. Plus, there are actually arsonists.

It's not just all, you know, people want to say the people like Karen Bass want to say it's global warming. Hey, global warming did not stop, did not stop L.A. from filling the fire hydrants, okay? Right. Exactly. Exactly. So it's not that. And it's just, so he really, has, you know, and it's not just of the fire. Yes, I think that's his number one strong point, but, and it's not just, you know, people not wanting their house to burn. It's like seeing somebody doing something about it. He's suing the city and all of that. You know, he's showing that he's not going to just sit back and watch things burn, that he, you know, he's demanding some kind of accountability. Anyhow, but so there's that, but also there are a lot of other things,

There's lots of other ways things that the, particularly Karen Bass, of course, because he's running from there, but also Newsome. They're a gruesome-to-sum. Man, you know, it used to be any twosome-noosome. Now it's a gruesome-toosom. Okay. Wow. Well. And she's saying, you know, she had promised to get rid of the homeless.

And, of course, she hasn't done that. Yeah. But her idea now, she's coming up with new ideas to get rid of the homeless. her new idea is, all you have to do is give the homeless teeth. Oh, that's right. Yeah, in other words, they blow their teeth out from methamphetamine addiction all these years, right? So no teeth left. Yeah.

Right. And if you just gave them teeth, then they'd be able to go and get a job and they wouldn't be homeless anymore. And that is so stupid. Well, that's almost a dental, that's like a dental version of Obama's housing first. It doesn't matter that you are a drug-addicted derelict that can't take care of yourself or take any care of anything responsibility. We give you a house first. Okay. Well, you're a drug addict and you can't fix anything else.

Well, we're going to give you teeth first and then we'll see if you can get fixed, right? Yeah, right. Wow. Right. I mean, that level of stupidity should disqualify somebody from running. I think you need a smarter class of elite down there in the Los Angeles area here, Dr. Lieberman. Well, you know, the left has just taken. over in so many ways and for so many years,

Schwarzenegger was governor from 2003 to 2011. And since then, it's been bad. And he didn't exactly govern as a hard conservative, really. You know, I don't think he did. Well, you know, I mean, whatever you want to call it, things were okay during his time. Oh, it was, okay. So it wasn't like, oh, my, oh, my goodness, there's the bomb in there.

You know, so he wasn't, of course, I just love anybody and I forget that guy. It imitates him. Always cracks me up. Hey, back on Spencer Pratt, though, that guy is probably, I don't know if he's doing the ads himself or he has a campaign manager, some of the most creative campaign ads. And it's funny because he's kind of tapping into this vein of trauma that, you know, you're mentioning here, in which even the leftists would like to have their city back. and peaceful and and prosperous and everybody you know it's kind of doing better that sort of thing but it's funny what he does is that he goes right into it I don't think he's a MAGA guy but he kind of makes fun of it I saw one ad recently in which you'd have all of these supposed leftists

here saying now you know I'm not MAGA or anything but you know we really need to stop people you know going to the bathroom in the streets yeah yeah I'm not MAGA either You know, little Tommy stepped on a needle on the playground the other day. It's like trying to head off this. You know, is it only megat types that want the city to do okay, doctor? I mean, but he's kind of like he's hitting that head on. And I had to laugh what he's doing. It's amazing.

Yes, he has made great, great advice. I tweeted one of them. You know, and when people say things about him, well, they were saying something and like that he was, and he made it add calling himself the Prince of Bel Air. Yeah. To sort of make fun of what they were saying about him. Right. And, you know, it's a very clever way to hit back at, you know, the ridiculous criticisms.

But yes, no, you don't have to be maga. It's just common sense, you know. Which doesn't appear to be so common in L.A., I guess. No, I guess not. And, you know, of course, there are a lot of people, some of the smarter people are leaving because of the tax that Newsom has put on the rich. And so, you know, it's only going to get worse. But, yes, he's really, he's really, I mean, I hope, I certainly want him to win. And I think that if he doesn't, I mean, this place is just going to keep going, keep getting, whatever part of it survives the fires.

you know, we'll keep going downhill. Well, we certainly hope that L.A. is able to restore itself to some level of its former glory. I hate, you know, we suffer the same kind of indignities in the Portland area, too. And there seems to be a breaking point that the Portland area has reached with, you know, people who, you know, have money who are just saying, hey, I'm out of here. There's a lot of disgust and displeasure brought up for Oregon's governor, Governor Tina Kotech, you know, very hard left to governor. and yet there has been no evidence that they're ready to change their voting patterns yet. In fact, there was one article that came out here recently, Doctor, in which it said, oh, yeah, Tina Kotech not doing, oh, of course I'm going to vote for her, right?

Yes. I just was reading about her, actually, about her bad-mouthing the coffee place, Starbucks. And Starbucks leaving from Oregon. No, actually, that was Dutch Bros. Dutch pros, that came from Grants Pass just north of us or west of Medford in our area, northwest. Yeah. Yeah. And they left and they went to Arizona because the corporate climb was better.

I mean, they were actually treated well. And nobody even called the Dutch pros people before they took off. Just like, Matt, gone. Off we go. Well, I think it's, but it's Starbucks now, too. Oh. I was reading about that. Yes.

And so the latest news today was that she's trying to walk back some of the comments. she made about it. She had been telling people, don't go to Starbucks. Like, you know, it's too expensive or whatever. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's a different story. You're right about that.

But did you ever get the impression that left-wing politicians here have reached the point of depravity where they would just as soon rule as long as they ruled, even if everything's a ruin, and it's a smoking ruin, as long as they're ruling. That's all that matters. Absolutely. You think so. And, you know, getting back to the fires here, one of the ways that they're doing this, you know, destroying everything, is by not sending whatever resources there are left to the fires when they're small. They just wait and wait and wait until it grows, and then they send whatever they have or some portion of it.

And by then it's out of control. That sounds like the way that we have sometimes fought fire fires, rather, on public land. They call it the let it burn policy. Well, we have to restore the landscape. Put a little fire on it. But boy, I'll tell you, we can get going on this for a long time, doctor. I appreciate your insight, though, in what, we got another little more than a week or so before that primary, which will make this decision. Now, is this going to be like if someone gets more than 50% in L.A.

then they become the mayor. I am not really sure what the rules are for that. Yeah. Okay. Well, one way or the other, what, June 2nd, I think is when that's going to be happening for you, right? Well, you know, there's this other woman. Oh, we're kind of run out of time, I guess, but just to mention there's this other ridiculous woman who's running as well, but she's even worse than Karen Bass, and I don't think she has a chance.

Oh, gosh, I hope not. I hope they don't want to jump into that even worse. Okay. Sandy Fire Trauma. And so much more. And we appreciate your taking this. Dr. Carol Lieberman, MDMPAH. I'm sure you're right about this.

In Dr. Carroll's Couch on VoiceAmerica.com, the terrorist therapist podcast. Anything else going on that we should know about? Where are you blogging or talking and what you talk about this week? Is it about the fire, the mayor race, or something else that people can check out? I've been, you know, my Twitter is where I rant the most. But I've been talking about the attack on the mosque. in San Diego. Oh.

And about how, depending upon what news outlet you're listening to, they picture it, they describe it in a very different way. One, some news outlets talk about it as Islamophobia. Other news outlets talk about it as they talk about the mosque as having been the one that two, at least two terrorists from 9-11 were members of. And there are other kinds of things. It's a hot spot for terrorism. Not that they deserve to be killed for that. But, you know, there's a lot of ways of looking at this. It's not just black and white.

All right. What's your best place to go to? X is probably the best place to go check that out then? Sure. All right, your ex account. Dr. Carroll, thank you so much. It is a pleasure having you on, as always. And be well, and I hope that some sense returns to your area too, okay?

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Francine and I were getting into it a little while ago. I think, I forget how it started, but having to do with property owners being forced to pay property taxes, but then you have non-property owners that get to choose that property owners pay. And I've never thought that was right. And I think it should only be property owners that get to vote on property taxes. Because that's, to me, the consent of the government. It just seems like the fair. And we'll just use the term equitable way of going about it if you're going to put morality onto what is immoral in the first place,

Net is stealing money through taxation, which runs civil society. We have to steal it from one another first. But, John, go ahead and take it away. You disagree with me on that. I'd love to converse with you about it. Go ahead. I think it's an evolution of this country. Initially in this country, only the property owners were proposed to have vote.

But we came from England, a majority at that time, did. And you had to petition the Lord of the land in order to, and your grievances against the king. And I think the vote against the landlord of this society. The vote against the landlord is against this society. Okay. We're a little bit on the Robin Hood side of life. Mm-hmm. Okay.

So my point of view on this is that you will always find someone that says that I have a greater need than you have for your wealth or your money or whatever it is. We'll always have the ability to do this. To me, it was just very simple. Now, I'm not against people having the vote in general. But what I'm saying is that specifically, if you wanted to, let's say, raise the income taxes or have an income tax or have a sales tax, I could see everybody weighing in on that. but I see no moral reason why someone who does not own property should be telling someone how much should be stolen from a property owner because they have no direct dog in that fight. What would you say to that then, John?

Things have evolved in various ways. We don't have very many company stores anymore either. That's irrelevant to the question I had for you. Okay. I mean, yeah, I know my grandfather grew up at a company store. I get that. We don't have that anymore. That's fine.

But all I'm saying is that, you know, as it is right now, you have people who don't have property determining how much will be stolen from those that do. And I just think as a concept, it's an immoral concept. If you are supposed to have consent of the governed, and I'm being governed here, now I just have my little house over in, you know, northeast Medford, you know, that sort of thing. it kind of irritates me to my core that someone who doesn't have that skin in the game is able to determine that I do, you know, what I am supposed to pay. Yeah, I can understand your argument, but it's just part of the, I think that's just part of the evolution of theft. Is that what you're saying, the evolution of theft, that people who don't have skin can choose how much is stolen from someone who does have it?

Yes, I think that's just, I think that's the way our, uh, system has evolved. Okay. Evolved. All right, John, I appreciate that. I think I'm going to have to, I don't disagree, but discuss it. But anyway, hi, KMED. Good morning. This is Bill. Good morning, Bill, Bob Shannon Medford. You know, I think people who rent are still paying the property taxes for the property owner. So any property tax increase, you know, if able, the owner's going to pass it on to the renter. If able, but they are not legally obligated to do so. No. And then some properties aren't necessarily being rented. Now, I have to tell you, this might be something that would be a way, but boy, they probably wouldn't like this, would you? That on your rental bill, you have a pro-rated share of property taxes put on that, and then you'll know how much you're actually paying. That might actually improve that a little bit. What would you think about that?

And not forget the pro-rated share of the utility fees per toilet. Yeah, exactly. You know, rather than bundling it in. The problem that I have with property taxation, as it is currently practiced here, is that you have a lot of people that are just thinking, well, we'll just tax these people. We'll just tax these people. And it makes it next to impossible to actually own your property, ba. And I think that's my ultimate issue with the property tax,

that essentially no one is able to have land without having to pay rent to the local government for their theft provided services. All right. 770K. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Morning, Bill. Steve, Sunny Valley.

Hi, Steve. Yeah, I just want to make the point that if the government is providing charity with stolen money, it's tyranny. And that is what taxes are. taxes are taking from the laborer, the worker, the fruits of their labor and giving it to somebody who is not working. That turns us all into wage slaves. And that's essentially what a standard wage worker around here in Oregon is all about, right? We're just slaves for the wages. We are just and if you can't get out of it, that's your life. You're working to pay for somebody who doesn't deserve it. Yeah. And there's all sorts of ways that they, there's all sorts of ways that our society

does not look at property as a very important thing, Steve. And it, and that really concerns me. And they'll say, well, here's an example. You know, somebody steals, you know, somebody breaks into your house and steals, okay, let's say you had $20,000 in gold coins in your safe, right? And then, and if you were to shoot them and kill them or something like that, then the people would say, well, you know, you shouldn't have killed them because they were only taking stuff. You can only replace stuff. And then I would tend to look at this. I would tend to look at this. Yeah, well, I would look at this a little differently because it would say that every time somebody steals from you, whether it's taxation or breaking into your safe to steal your gold coins,

as an example there, they are taking a little bit of your life because we exchange our time on earth for labor. And because of that, there's a limited amount of time to do this. And you're taking someone's life when you take their property. And it used to be if you stole a man's horse, you were hung for it because the man's horse was his livelihood. And without that horse, he was probably not going to make it. And we work and exchange our time for money and we use that money to support ourselves and our family. And any time that money is taken from us, It takes away from our family and our livelihood that we've worked for. It is immoral.

The only charity that counts is if it's given freely, like it used to be done. But when you're able to give charity freely, when you do that and you're no longer in the business of providing government-forced charity, you're able to pass judgment. And you see, that's what most of the culture, most of the left especially, doesn't want to. In other words, you would look at someone and say, okay, you need help. Are you doing anything to, you know, to help yourself? Oh, you're not. Oh, you don't really want to work. Oh, you really do just want to hang out at Hawthorne Park all day and stick a needle in your arm.

And you're not, oh, you don't want to take treatment either. Why should there be forced help? Why should people be forced to help such individuals as an example? And this help is really suffering. It's prolonging their suffering so that the NGOs can continue getting the grip. Yeah. It's a big racket. Steve, I appreciate the call, and we'll keep the phones open here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

It's nothing to much sympathetic to people having problems, but we have no demand of accountability at any level on all of this. And we have people who don't have skin in the game deciding the people who do have skin in the game how much they're supposed to pay. This is the Bill O'Meyer Show 7705-633. What's on your mind? Let me know. We'll get right back to the calls in a minute.

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