Joe and Jada - Busta Rhymes talks honoring J. Dilla’s legacy on ‘Dillagence 2’ + tells CLASSIC ‘90s stories of Biggie, Jay-Z, Q-Tip & more

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by the legendary Busta Rhymes, whose new project ‘Dillagence 2’ is out everywhere TODAY and features top-to-bottom production from the late, great J. Dilla.... Busta goes in depth about his bond with Jay Dee, from meeting him through Q-Tip, to supporting him in his final months in Los Angeles alongside their close friend Common, and to honoring the Detroit legend’s legacy alongside Dilla’s mother Ma Dukes. Also, the three rap icons kick back and tell some behind-the-scenes stories of the rap industry you won’t find anywhere but Joe and Jada: a young Biggie bootlegging his own tapes, Jada and The LOX’s Verzuz against Dipset, watching pioneers like Big Daddy Kane, Chuck D, and Heavy D hone their craft in the studio, and much more. Check out the Sprite Living Tracklist and join the debate today! Joe and Jada is now STREAMING ON NETFLIX Merch is here: https://joeandjadashow.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:25 This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families. It's a scorched earth war that shows just how. far someone will go to get what they want. Cindy said I had to choose between the truth and my family, and I had to choose the truth. Listen to season three of Burden of Guilt on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I said, I'm going to just do this album. But I didn't realize outside of the 20-year anniversary that all of these other things that was in the divine alignment was happening.
Starting point is 00:01:59 The me and Maudeau's is talking and the music was coming together, it just was like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. This is a real divine timing moment and we're going to fucking ride those waves so crazy to rep Diller and rep this incredible music. And he's one of my favorite producers,
Starting point is 00:02:19 so it's like when I rhyme on his shit, he brings something else out of me. Yeah, yeah, what up y'all? This is Joe Crack to Dawn. No, it is your boy Jada. you know what it is the Joe and Jada show every show legendary, every show iconic today, those things are again to say the least.
Starting point is 00:02:53 You know what I mean? You're not even dealing with, I don't think you know what's going on with today. You know what I mean? There's somebody that should get an award every time they do an award show. You know how the NBA rest of the piece you should just give something to Bill Russell.
Starting point is 00:03:12 He just got a designated seat, a designated check. They make a trophy out of them and all. That's how I feel about my guest today and also about LL. And that's another story. When you think of today's guests, you think energy. Kinetic, magnetic, supreme energy. originality showmanship
Starting point is 00:03:41 one of the most undeniable voices in hip-hop from the leaders of the new school days to the solo album career the iconic video the movie roles the collaborations and not to mention
Starting point is 00:04:05 the best live boys performance is ever known demand time. He's celebrating a major movement. A new project, Diligence to, built from beats, left behind from the legendary Jay Diller that was actually left in his hands.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Career anniversaries, a star on a Hollywood Walk of Fame, A run that continues to prove he is just not a part of hip-hop history. He is still pushing it forward. Brooklyn is in the building. The dragon is here. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome my big brother, Buster Round. Hell of an intro.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Hell of an intro, Kink. Okay, so Buster Moms, you're not a artist. you're not a legend, you're not an icon. They ain't make words for you. You're like a fucking bait hove in a Mona Lisa in this motherfucker. And I know, because I'm an old nigga in this game,
Starting point is 00:05:25 and I think I work hard. And you, you work harder than anybody. You in the studio every day. If there's some shit going on, you're there. If it's across the country, you're there. If you're just like, I mean, is there a method to the madness? Or you just be like, yo, every day I'm going to do something crazy.
Starting point is 00:05:48 I'm going to go work. What is it? What keeps you moving like that? I love this shit. It's as simple as that. I fucking really love this gift that we was blessed with. And I don't play with it. I feel like it's bogged to me if a motherfucker
Starting point is 00:06:08 identify with a gift they was blessed with and they don't exploit it to show their appreciation. That's weird to me. Like a motherfucker that know that they got this ability and everybody get gifted with shit it's just for you to identify with them. Hone in on the motherfucker. I feel like the way you're so God
Starting point is 00:06:27 that you're grateful for that shit is the wow, is maximize the ability that you have once you figure out what that gift is. Anything other than that to me is like blasphemy. Dead serious. So there be days when I might wake up and I ain't got no plan on what I'm doing for the day.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Besides, I might need to rest or relax. I'm overcharge. But I like going in a studio because sometimes even if you're going there and you don't come up with shit. You still came up with something by being there. You won't miss what you come up with when you need to be at the right place to capture the shit. when you find it.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Because it's like niggas fucking, what's they call that fucking show? The deadliest catch? Yeah. Niggas throw the fish net
Starting point is 00:07:14 in the motherfucker would be a storm out that bitch the niggas don't catch nothing and almost die. But then you go out there and you throw that
Starting point is 00:07:23 fishnet back out there that thing's coming home with wild lobster, crab, shrimp, all type of shit because it's just being in that place at the right time.
Starting point is 00:07:31 You got to be in the game. You never know. You never know. And it's like for me, I love a studio because the motherfucker don't argue with you. Studio don't try to lie to a nigga don't manipulate neggas.
Starting point is 00:07:43 And get no unnecessary regular bro. That part. None of that. So it's like you're in a space that you can actually even if you just want a proper peaceful sleep
Starting point is 00:07:56 without being distracted for a couple hours. That's a fine. You can go right in that motherfucker play some music, relax and that's it You know your man
Starting point is 00:08:07 put me to sleep the other day You know I was at the dentist Dr. Fasum Saturday Oh Dr. Fudge Big up Dr. Fajum Your man put me to sleep
Starting point is 00:08:14 That motherfucker He said I know I know you're anxious You don't worry You're gonna go to You're out Diggum woke up nine hours later Yo
Starting point is 00:08:29 What's up baby That thing crazy And he had talked You talk some crazy shit to you That's super peaceful No and I learned how to fly Remember I was scared to fly I met a pilot
Starting point is 00:08:40 His name was Captain Mike And he took me on his plane And he was like Don't worry It's gonna be all right He was closing the door Everything's smooth I flew for the military
Starting point is 00:08:53 The man took off While he was talking to me I didn't feel one bump That's what changed my life It said oh shit I could fly Yeah That's how you're man talk to me the fucking anesthesiologist.
Starting point is 00:09:06 He gave me that fucking shit, that polyurethane. Who was out, boy, that is. He ain't playing. So, boss, you came in here, not that you don't always, but you came in here on no bullshit. You came in here, honest.
Starting point is 00:09:25 You came in here, pure by your responses. Because sometimes we're on bullshit, but today you, I feel like you're in a rare space. What do you think Buster Rhyms means to the world of hip-hop in the game? It was all said and done. What do you think you have committed, contributed to the game?
Starting point is 00:09:47 What do you think? What do you want us to the purest form and say, you know, Buster Rimes represented this? I don't know yet because I got a lot of shit left to do. I ain't nowhere near that. way of thinking yet. Yeah, but I want you to think like that for the question. I know you know where to be that.
Starting point is 00:10:07 For the question, without question, I don't think what I have contributed and what I've done can be questioned. I'm the greatest, one of the greatest to ever do this shit. And I mean that because I've been able to substantially and consistently defend that type of talk. Do my action.
Starting point is 00:10:29 You know what I'm saying? It don't matter if we rhyming on records with each other. It don't matter if we're on the stage. It don't matter whatever it is. There's no inconsistency in that specific area of what the observation has been on the general consensus level. They ain't no nigger could tell anybody in any conversation that bus rhymes don't get busy.
Starting point is 00:10:51 It ain't one of the best to do it when they come to getting busy. So, you know, this ain't even me being on no stroke my own ego shit. This is just facts. The facts, you know. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I think that shit is, it speaks directly to all of us, though. There ain't, I don't know how many motherfuckers we're going to be able to say that 25 and 30 year runs and it's still the shit.
Starting point is 00:11:20 No. That's the fuck. That shit ain't, I don't know how many of that we're going to really see how we. I'm really afraid. Yeah, like how we, how we live. No, no, no, no. Right here, you got to go. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:11:32 That's the realest shit. I need to play. Listen, I'm going to tell y'all something that's going to get me in trouble. I'm going to say this to you too, though. I'm touching the third round. I'm about to say some shit that's going to get me in trouble. And you're still going to say? Yes.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Buster Rhymes did a video with the elephant chasing him on purpose because he wanted that look. I went to Summer Jam the other day. It looked like ringing brothers and bawling them barely circus. I mean, I've been hearing this. I've been hearing this, man. I said this is where Jay-Z brought out Michael Jackson. This is with Buster Rhymes and Nas and Benjamin's rock. It's shit, the future of here, pop.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Oh, my Lord, God bless him. I need some future kings and queens to come out because this is landmines. I don't know what to tell you. I'm sorry. I know I shouldn't say this because I encourage everybody. I encourage the youth. But this is a real shit show going on.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Like, yo, I encourage the youth. But you're absolutely correct. I can't look at a young artist, well, not too many, that I could say in 25 years, 30 years, they're going to be doing it. I mean, there's a few, though. Like, I gotta give it up to
Starting point is 00:13:03 Cole. I give it up to Kendrick. I give it up to... They're not young. I mean, they're younger than us. They're not considered young no more. That's not the shit show, I see. I feel you. No, I'm not talking about dumb. Them niggas are already OGs to them young niggins. Right, right, right. You understand what I'm saying? They're already 40, 38, like they, they old geez. I'm talking about the Utenham. We have a major problem in hip hop. You know what I've learned, the things, it really matter.
Starting point is 00:13:34 You can't rush them. Fats. You can't rush the sauce. You can't rush the music. You can't rush relationships. And you definitely can't rush great tequila. That's why 1800 tequila stands out. The name goes all the way back to the 1800s.
Starting point is 00:13:50 When the Beckman family started making tequila. And that patience, that attention to the creole. has been passed down through more than 11 generations. That's legacy. Sometimes you just got to let something cook. Juan Beckman Vidal aged 1800 and Neo longer than he even had to because he knew it wasn't ready yet. I respect that.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Don't put it out just because you can put it out. Put it out when it's right. That applies to a record, a conversation, move, you're making, and clearly a bottle of tequila. Once you get it right, you share it with your people. That's always been part of the story. Good tequila, good conversation, and the people around you really appreciate both. Passion, hard work, honestly. Those words are written on every bottle of 1800.
Starting point is 00:14:40 And honestly, that's the foundation for anything built to last. So take your time with what you're creating. And when the moment is right, share it with your people. 1800 tequila, good stuff takes time. And the best stuff's meant to be shared with your people. Shaheen Reed, you've been covering hip-hop since day. Am I exaggerating? Am I out of line by saying that?
Starting point is 00:15:02 Or do you get scared when you go to those events and you see the youth? If we're talking about hip-hop culture. You don't have to touch the third rail. If we're talking about hip-hop culture, the culture we understand. I'm not just talking as an old nix. You got the right to remain silent, shot. You know what it is, though? It's like a lot of these kids, because I was doing a lot of
Starting point is 00:15:25 stuff with Rolling Loud when they first started, right? So it's like a lot of these kids, they had a viral hit, and all of a sudden, they got booked for the show. Like, they say, okay, we're going to put you in front of 50,000 people. It's no workup. Like, they don't have, like, the minor leagues for it. It's like, it's no the locks and meets on 125th Street and the cipher. Like, they never even experienced that.
Starting point is 00:15:51 It's no Joe and Biggie. and the club that you used to journey is much shorter you go straight from your room there ain't no development it ain't no artist development no more real shit I was at
Starting point is 00:16:04 I don't know if it was called How can I be down In Washington D.C That's when it's first start And it made it this Puerto Rico And I was In the C Vegas don't know
Starting point is 00:16:19 How can I be down In Howard University and I'm sitting there and I'm watching all the legends heavy deed public enemy everybody talking on the panel well jacked rap before all I heard
Starting point is 00:16:31 in the crowd was there's this new group it's called the fucking leaders of the new school right everybody is before Flojo this everybody was like yo I think y'all performed
Starting point is 00:16:46 at a church that night of some shit but it was like everybody had to go it was mandatory to go. Obviously, y'all worked on the stage show. Obviously, y'all put effort into it when y'all fucking body in that. You know, I can't just say
Starting point is 00:17:01 there's no artist development. You got to develop yourself if that's the case. Austin, we're on the greatest situation up all the time because he developed himself. I didn't go front. You had your crew. You had the same passion and drive. And you did listen to people. Of course, she was developing
Starting point is 00:17:19 yourself, but you was listening you was listening to hip-hop into the culture. Now they don't give a fuck. They don't think they know every. One hit song, they don't got to listen. You, me, or they get out of it. That's the fact. And that's just how I go.
Starting point is 00:17:38 That's a fact. We listen to the Pioneer. We watched how the game went and try to add some of your own shit, but of course following protocol of hip-hop. Now they've made their own fucking menu. script of what they do. And there's a difference between then and now, too. It's like the mentality to want to learn, it's not there.
Starting point is 00:18:02 It ain't the same. Like, I used to literally get my whip and drive to Kane's crib in Jamaica Estates and just hang out at his house. And just watch. Sometimes it wouldn't even be no conversation. You're just seeing them chilling in a crib. And I was fortunate enough to be welcomed by those. those dons in their peak times,
Starting point is 00:18:24 like seeing the cars in the garage and seeing the jewelry laid out and the furs and the fits get prepared before they went to the fucking Roseland to go do a show or Studio 54. Parrish used to let me come to his crib. Show me that this nigga had a real estate portfolio. This nigga had one crib where his wife
Starting point is 00:18:46 and his kids was at that was uncharted territory. Niggas couldn't pull up there. This is the house where niggas could pull up, blow tree, make music. This Das Krib, this Doss effects crib. This is where Schumer Management was at. Like, niggas just had real estate. So you would, I would look at this shit and be like, and they got four fucking gold albums on the wall
Starting point is 00:19:07 and you doing all of this shit. I need to learn how to do this shit. I want to learn how to own these properties. And I want to have my jewelry laid out and my cars and my family situated like these motherfuckers and they gave you the answers. See, that's the thing. It's like, first of all,
Starting point is 00:19:29 the mentality is different. I definitely, I had Chuck D, bro. The motherfucker gave me my name Buster Rhimes, bro. He gave us the name leaders of new school. We had to earn the shit. You know, we had to battle motherfuckers that wanted the same name.
Starting point is 00:19:47 Everything had to come with how much you willing to sacrifice in a productive way. Are we doing the wrong thing as OG's not taking the young dudes and bringing them in our sessions and hanging out with them and shit like that? You don't want to hang with us. I think it's a combination of that. Fortunately, for me...
Starting point is 00:20:06 Some of them, you find a few albums out there. That's what I was going to say. I still have the opportunity of being around them artists. Because a lot of them, they'd be in a studio. I'm in a studio every day. They're in a different floor working in a different room. They see me in and elevated out of here. I'm in there.
Starting point is 00:20:20 they want to pull up. Come on in. If I ain't in the middle of some shit, come in the room, sit down, press play. I'm going to press play. Then they get into the conversations. And you know, a lot of the times we got so much experience
Starting point is 00:20:35 to just stories, these motherfuckers ain't going to never hear. Just from a conversation that just might take a direction. Neither one of us expected it was going to take the direction of. We get to talking about some shit at the tunnel. we get to talk about some shit that happened at Quad.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I know some of the legendary stories at Quad. I'm kids. They be in disbelief. Like they be in the building and don't even know that shit happened. So you know that's the building. I know it's the building. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:21:07 So it's like when we talk and they get to hear it. Sometimes those conversations make them little motherfuckers get quiet. And they want to listen and they want to learn and they want to pull up again. And then, you know, I encourage new MCs to the point where I clearly don't want nothing from no artists. Like, I'm not interested in signing no artists no more.
Starting point is 00:21:29 I'm not interested in none of that. I don't want the responsibility or the headache or the entitlement mentality that a lot of artists come with. I'm just not in that space. It's a lot less fun when you start taking on all of these other personalities. So it makes it even more pleasurable for me when I get to share the Jew and then I can give you a friendly of a monitor that I bust your ass.
Starting point is 00:21:55 If you want to get on this record with me and you're going to have to work, you're going to have to earn it because I ain't going to dumb it down because you're the younging or I ain't going to dumb it down because we just had a dope conversation. You still got to earn it.
Starting point is 00:22:08 But you could pull up and you could get this work. Just know, come with your toolbox, motherfucker. and sharpen your shit up and let's get to work. But again, the mentality is different. So like Jayda's saying,
Starting point is 00:22:23 a lot of these motherfuckers, sometimes just the mentality ain't where it need to be. But it comes with time, so you don't even, I don't really try to judge or critique because, you know, we was them little knuckle-ass niggas niggas that ain't want to listen sometimes to.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Yeah, but I listen to all, like, even to this day, if I'm driving now Manhattan, I see Melly Merrill Mellon, the corner, I'm pulling the shit over and I'm making the movie for him. We was raised different though. If I see Slick, if I see any of the legends, I'm jumping out that whip, saluting them on a whole different. So you got to understand, we gave our life to hip hop.
Starting point is 00:22:58 I know you gave your life to hip hop as a fan, but we went, God, hip hop, family, dirt. That's the fact. That's just the truth. That's a fact. Every time I turn around, fucking bust the rounds over here, over there. Next week, I'm going to Roman. Just don't stop. All I see up.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Conquer in the globe. I've almost got the thing up now. I see you shout out. Countries I never even heard of. Here today, Salute is very beautiful. We're going to rip this shit. I think Buster realizes Buster has a very expensive
Starting point is 00:23:33 lifestyle. And Buster realizes that it takes like gas to fuel a car. Like to live the way Buster Rob lives, you have to make a lot of money. So it means you have to work even when you don't technically need it. Because this man, this man is, he got a lot of bills. And so he won't stop working because he knows, yo, that's just.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Blessings don't stop. Some days I look at the motherfucker. He's doing a shit with the fucking ship hat. Like, yo, the blessings don't stop. I'm like, yo, this motherfucker fucking working. But you also in the studio every day. but what is a studio bill like for you for a yearly studio? I don't own.
Starting point is 00:24:19 You got to be part ownership and something. Yeah, yeah. You got to have some type of deal with. Yeah, yeah. You could do that? Yeah. Like in a professional studio owned the room? A few years ago.
Starting point is 00:24:29 If you're there more than everybody, fucking in the history? I definitely got a jerk for studios. You got to let you in somehow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got jerk for studios. We all did. Yeah, but we only know this after all of them years.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Right. That's a fact. Shelling out all of that. That bread, you know it. That's a fact. Listen, I'm helping your studio. We, let's figure something. Let's figure something out.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Motherfucking right. Motherfucking right. Yeah, because I've always said to myself, I said, damn, I'm in the studio every night. You got to be legendary. Like, you know, he, you got your own studio up in your office. He's in Midtown Manhattan in the biggest. I got my own studios in a cryptos.
Starting point is 00:25:14 but I'm not welcoming. It's never the same. You can't have people. I don't want the same company at the stool. No. Come to my criss. You can't come to my cream. I'm not doing that.
Starting point is 00:25:25 I'm not doing that. That's a fair. That ain't the same company. It's just a company. It's just a company. It's stuff a lot. Man, I ain't doing that shit by you. Come on, God.
Starting point is 00:25:34 You in the house. That's a thing. That's a kid. That's like square bob, sponge bob square pants shit. Like, you can't get in a. First of all, we need an escape. I don't want wives
Starting point is 00:25:49 Hip-Hip Wives. That's what he was saying. This studio is a change. We don't want you to massacre us. But we need to be with our guys talking shit about the games, talking this shit about this. Just, you know, you need that.
Starting point is 00:26:06 You cannot do it in the house like that. If you can, salute. But you need We need this We need this studio You need this story You need to full off fucking shit
Starting point is 00:26:19 Your queen Is inaccessible The kids All of that The crib is they studio Yeah Let the matter I'm over here
Starting point is 00:26:28 That's it That's it That's it Factual Actual Actual Now How'd you get
Starting point is 00:26:36 You caught The beach From Dilla Before he passed Or y'all Was supposed to How did it Sky Rizzy
Starting point is 00:26:41 Break I got to take the back. You know, we're going to wait until you get back. Now, we're going to wait until you get back. You know what's crazy, man. That hip-hop fans will argue about anything. I'm talking best rapper live, best era,
Starting point is 00:27:00 best album, but nobody gets started on best verse. Don't even get me started on best verse. That's a fact. And now Sprite got y'all debating something new. It's called the Sprite Living Track List 50 records that really shaped the culture. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:27:17 We're talking legends. We're talking icons and, yeah, new artists. Carrying the torch right now, present day. But it ain't just songs, though. It's the stories behind them. The lyrics, the moments, what those records meant when they hit. Yo, go check out the full Sprite Living Track List and get into the stories behind your favorite bars. I like that.
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Starting point is 00:28:45 Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people, and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is, and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Hoda Kottebe, host of the podcast Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby. If you know me, you know, I'm always searching for inspiration and useful tools to maximize joy.
Starting point is 00:29:29 So this podcast lets us uncover those things together through meaningful conversations with fascinating people. Like when my friend Henry Winkler offered advice to aspiring, actors and really anybody hoping to stand out. You're not hired just to fill time and space. You're hired to fill the space with you. You have something in your guts. You go with it. And Sean Johnson recalled the moment she realized her now husband, Andrew, was the one.
Starting point is 00:29:59 He was just so unapologetically himself and knew nothing of Hollywood. He hadn't been on a plane before without his family. It was so pure. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 3 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families. It started more than seven years ago when Cindy and Kenny were two 40-somethings who had just gotten engaged. Days later, they walked into a scorched earth war they knew.
Starting point is 00:30:39 never saw coming. Turn around and place your hands behind your back. The cops given to my house and threw me in jail. And to Cindy's surprise, her fiance, Kenny, was charged with abusing one of her children. I never once doubted Kenny, and I always doubted the accusation. On season three, a burden of guilt, you'll hear a story about the length someone will go to in order to get what they want. This case has got to be one of the most despicable.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Listen to season three, a burden of three. guilt on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Y'all, here's a little story trim, fire in the tale. Old man, bathroom break. I got to take
Starting point is 00:31:27 it to Jay Diller. Right? About to switch my question and take it to your question. How did you get the beats? How did this start? How was it? You know what I mean? Was he supposed to do something before it? He passed
Starting point is 00:31:44 Because I know y'all used to O, he owes you guys Yeah, he always would give me Like these beat CDs Of 25 beats And like they would be short You know what I'm saying? They'd be super short
Starting point is 00:31:57 Like 20 seconds, 30 seconds Every now and then You might get a beat that would be a peeped song at the time Yeah But it would always be 25 It never really exceeded 25 beats So he initially
Starting point is 00:32:13 created these volumes It was like volume 1 through 5 You got 125 beats right there But the crazy shit is He would start having me come to his crib When he moved to L.A. Because Dill is from Detroit But
Starting point is 00:32:29 When Dillis started to get ill with the sickness that he was dealing with, it was lupus And I got a salute comment so much for this because Kamen and Diller was super cool and super close too and common
Starting point is 00:32:48 he actually helped move Diller to L.A. with his mom's, Mardukes so he could be closer to the specialist for his treatments. I was living in L.A. at the time because Diller passed in 06. This is his 20 year
Starting point is 00:33:04 anniversary of his transition. And I was working... 20 fucking years, Jay Dillard. Dillard been here. 20 years. It's crazy. I remember hearing that shit. Like, yo, Jay Dilla just...
Starting point is 00:33:15 That's cool. And it's a ill-divine alignment with just the timing of everything because I started with Diller in 96. He gave me my first two beats on my first solo album. That's 30 this year. Wow.
Starting point is 00:33:30 He did the title track on the Genesis album, which turns 25 this year. Wow. He did a couple beats on Big Band. album and that turned 20 on the day the next one to chip June 13th
Starting point is 00:33:46 we dropped that in 2006 the year that Dillah passed so that's the last project he contributed to while he was alive and crazy shit is they airing the Grammys in 2027 on his born day
Starting point is 00:34:00 wow shit so this Dillah Dilligence 2 album happening is a combination of moments of when he put beats in my hand personally and then shit that I was gifted with from people that was in the same circle
Starting point is 00:34:22 because it just kind of became the thing that I was like a custodian, a Dillers' beats and his music. Anybody got something left. It only makes sense. Yeah, they just kind of like, you know, put it with the rest of the shit because you got those diesel archive of Dillers' production from him personally.
Starting point is 00:34:40 And then Ma Dukes was very instrumental in that. But back to Common, Common moved in and lived with Dilla with Ma Dukes in L.A. while he was getting his treatments. And it's so beautiful to watch, even though it was torturing the watch. But as Dillard was getting sick, his mom kind of stepped in and became his engineer.
Starting point is 00:35:03 So, like, he had two beat machines on the table in the closet, all his albums that he would say. from was set up an alphabetical order from the ceiling to the floor so whenever he told his moms to go pull a record she knows exactly where to go and pull it and give it to him and then whatever beat machine he wanted to work on she would be the one behind that shit plugging that shit in like his engineer and then he would just get busy and um this is the dilla that used to amaze me because dillen do too much talking we would joke and laugh at shit
Starting point is 00:35:41 but he was on that machine until he was ready to press play for you. Being able to sit there and watch this man go through having me on Slum Village Slum Village's fantastic Voyage Volume 2 album, which I think that album is almost 30 years old at this point. He always included me in shit he was doing. So it wasn't just him giving me shit.
Starting point is 00:36:13 he always reached out to me to ask me to spit on this or just do an intro on this project or shit like that. So that's how the accumulation of the Dillard Beach happened. You know what I'm saying? That's how the Stash grew. Or it's ill because in addition to having a lot of this Dillon music, T3 is the remaining, the last member of Flum Village. that's alive.
Starting point is 00:36:44 So Batten, who was in Slum Village, passed away? I mean, El Zah was a part of Slum Village, but I'm talking about the original. Who's the only ones left? It's only T3. Dill is gone, Bat Ten is gone, and then it was T3.
Starting point is 00:36:57 T3 is here, and he's actually on the album. Right. So, you know, and big up to Mick, DJ Mick, formerly DJ Mick Boogie, he kind of was the one
Starting point is 00:37:09 that inspired me to do the first Dillard Project 19 years ago in 2007, when we just put it out to just tribute Diller's life. And Dillam moms called me in November. I was finishing another album. And Dillam moms called me in November and was like, yo, us, you know, we always do Diller Day and Dillam month in February
Starting point is 00:37:31 because he's born February 7th. He passed February 10th. And I never was able to be a part of those because of schedule conflict. You know, a lot of the times that January be slow at February, should pick up crazy. Grammys, the fucking all-scow football. He's doing nothing in January.
Starting point is 00:37:49 He can't sit down in February. So it's always been a scheduling conflict. So I haven't been to one of them since he transitioned. So moms was like, I need you to think of something that we could do special for Dilla Day and Dillamont. And I always do records with him. Like Dill is on every album that I've ever made solo except two.
Starting point is 00:38:10 So I figured to just do a record or two, three songs, you know, that ain't nothing outside of what I normally do to rap dillard and carry on his legacy. So I said, I'm going to just do this album. But I didn't realize outside of the 20-year anniversary that all of these other things that was in the divine alignment was happening. It was like as the month of, as the, the me and Maudeuks is talking. And the music was coming together. It just was like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. And it was just weird. But obviously, ain't nothing coincidental about destiny.
Starting point is 00:38:56 You know what I'm saying? So I just looked at this whole shit. This is a real divine timing moment. And we're going to fucking ride those waves so crazy to rep Dilla and rep this incredible music. And he's one of my favorite producers. So it's like when I rhyme on his shit, he brings something else out of me,
Starting point is 00:39:13 different from when I rhyme on a lot of other producer shit. I know the feeling. Whenever I rhyme with like a digging in the crates member, I rhyme a whole different way. It's real shit. I just go back at the Fat Joe, the Gay Set. It's just like Diamond to be like, yo, here go to beat, and I just rhyme D-I-T-C Fat Joe.
Starting point is 00:39:36 I just don't know all the way. And if you hear me on that, you might be like, damn, this nigga used to rap once upon a time. Like this shit is like, because your motherfucker is just fitting balls and all, so you got to be on your shit. But I feel the same way.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Certain producers, you know, when I moved down to Miami and started working with Kool and Dre, I felt like, you know, I felt like I could do different things. Big up to Kool and Dre to our brothers. Love them, bro.
Starting point is 00:40:06 I'm brothers. For real. man. That's how I feel with Q-Tip too, though. You know what I'm saying? Like Q-Tip, every time I got on that motherfucker production, that shit just turned me into like five animals at once this shit. You know what I'm saying? I just black
Starting point is 00:40:19 when I hear his shit. It just, he just it's something about that pocket that his shit sits in when he do his beast in the way the way them kick slapping them, snags slapping them fucking baseline. They just, him and Dill up would do shit that you got to go to their store to get that specific
Starting point is 00:40:37 shit. You want to know what's crazy that... The last verse that Buster Rounds call me you know, selective
Starting point is 00:40:45 with his, with his compliments and all that. Like, you got to really impressed Buster Rons, my nigga, like he's not a regular
Starting point is 00:40:51 gotta. You know, that niggas like the Sincay or something. What's the shit? You said, sumatumac chalry. Nigger,
Starting point is 00:40:59 he's a sumatum tumor calorie. You're not getting away. Look at your man's in them. Uh, Yo, let me tell you to say, but anyway,
Starting point is 00:41:11 yo, son, you put your foot in that ass. It was the fucking Q-tip joint that he did for L.L. with me, him, and Rick Ross. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what man? He said, LL sent me there to listen to the album,
Starting point is 00:41:28 and Q-Tip went like this. I need you to rhyme. I said, rhyme way. He was like, this right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, you put me on the spot of all spots. He was like, come on. Give me that joke crack shit.
Starting point is 00:41:42 This. I was like, I had to spit that verse right there for the Q-Tick. That shit was kind of, that's tip, though. It was like nervous. Yeah. You know, I was like, yo, I, it's fucking, if we follow the Bible and hip-hop. Correct, right?
Starting point is 00:42:01 We over here living this culture. This is fucking Q-Tip. Yeah. And I'm like, You know, maybe he thinks I don't write my rhymes, my nigga, like something. I don't know what the fuck. He's trying me? No, I'm up in there, like...
Starting point is 00:42:14 He liked to make sure that you record through his shit because he needed the sound. He needed to sound the way he wanted to sound. We worked on the tribe, last tribe album before Fife passed. God bless the... Fife, we love you. We miss you, bro. Oh, we love you, Fife. Fife, diggedy.
Starting point is 00:42:33 We could not... He wouldn't send us no beat. When I tell you, he would... Jack White had to come to Q-tip Cribb. Andre 3000 is in Q-Tip Cribb. Me, Talibh, Khalid. Only person that ain't come to
Starting point is 00:42:50 Q-Tip Crib during that album was Elton John on the solid wall of sound john. I think I got Elton John to do something. It's only... Dang. Like, I think I missed that. Elton John. On the last travel.
Starting point is 00:43:09 Oh, I'm trying to tell you. No, no, no, no. You just get anybody in the universe of planet history of shit. I see them clear samples. You just cannot. If the artist, if you heard, this artist don't clear. He was out of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:26 Yeah, yeah. You know, any sample, any artist that you ever heard, yo, they don't clear or he clearing. I asked him a couple of times, like, you, how do you sample that? How do you get that? You know that Michael Jackson. How you... Did that Q-Tip? I don't know if it's nice guy records.
Starting point is 00:43:43 I don't know what the fuck it is. That motherfucker, he'd get it clear. Like, nobody's telling Q-Tip? No. I'm not telling them no. Yeah, Tip different. Tip introduced us all to Dillard.
Starting point is 00:44:00 That's how I meant Dillard through Q-Tip. That's how Daila heard about Dilla through Q-Tip. Like, Q-Tip is a very interesting conduit to all of this shit on the East Coast, believe it or not, when they come to this hip-hop shit. Nah, a lot of motherfuckers, Q-Tip introduced or elevated or contributed to their evolution for the better
Starting point is 00:44:27 once you got next to him and started to work and just be around the vibe. But just Q-Tip really is like... The pure. One of the fathers of, of, the shit we became. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I got a, I got a, you know, we had,
Starting point is 00:44:43 Moni Love came here one time. I never looked at it like that. And she was like, you know, we always felt like we were your big brothers or your uncles. I'm like, what are you talking about? She was like, you know, Chris Lighty put you on. She was like, that was his first label. We were like, yeah, that's our little brother.
Starting point is 00:45:04 I was like, she said, we didn't even know you when we was rooting for you like, yeah, that's crazy. Like, that's nuts. Yeah, it's crazy. So you never see the dynamic of who leads to who, who needs, who's the family tree. Right. Who's the thing? But you are right, Q-Tip?
Starting point is 00:45:21 I don't know if we got a $1003,000 without a Q-Tip. I just don't know. I don't want to be putting shit in people's mouth, but I'm just telling you that Q-Tip inspired a lot of what happened. I was going to say, I don't know if we got $100,000. and then his mother don't meet his father. Special guy, you know. Your boss is special.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Yeah. The reason why he's top five. Jada is crazy. Oh, no. Jada crazy. And they tried to play with him the other day. I was pissy drunk at my party. He says, damn, man, you listen to everything, Joe.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Oh, yes, I do. I told him today, nice and sober. I said, you see it, niggins. You hit him back with her. That motherfucker That motherfucker I had to give you a quack at that back-handed right quick That shit, return to send us
Starting point is 00:46:17 Oh shit, okay We cool I said, I thought we was drunk That answer was so sharp Yeah You didn't, because I definitely thought You was out of me For you to hear the whole thing
Starting point is 00:46:30 I think it was lying He wasn't even drunk Now he was captain Everybody thought he was drugs and drinking water. Unfortunately for everybody, I actually have a God-given gift. Unfortunately, for everybody, I got a gift where they're all talking,
Starting point is 00:46:55 and it may look like I don't hear nothing. Yeah, all that. And later I go home and I hear the trainer, I hear the girl in the back, I hear everything, everybody says. And I'll be like, motherfuckers try to play. Yo, this is,
Starting point is 00:47:09 it's like I play rewind on motherfuckers. Like, I just go like this. It happens to me, my whole life. I hear everything. God forbid if I was getting in a lot. Who was that? No, some nigga tried you,
Starting point is 00:47:24 you know what I'm saying? And you hit him back with, yeah, last guy tried you like that with Harry Spins. Right? And you hit that nigga back return this Sunday. comedian of all comedians. And he's funny.
Starting point is 00:47:38 We need to get Eric Spheres back on the show. He said some slick shit to Jada, Jada. and hit him back in half a second. You know the paddle shit with the ping pong with the ball and shit. Go like that. That d'nick said ping pong. I said, oh, who do that? He's one of them guys you don't want to talk like that, too.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Now, bus, you know, bus reacts different. Bus match the shit at you. Nah, I don't do that. Your boss, you go. Oh, what? You don't do that no more? I don't do that no more. You're not doing that no more.
Starting point is 00:48:08 No, I don't do that. You don't do that. Oh, my God. Return to send a Buster Rhym's. I've witnessed too many times in the middle of Siberia. No, I'm talking about Yugoslavia, nigger, Poland. Who the fuck you talking to? The bus shit is legal because it, you get to touch.
Starting point is 00:48:35 People just touching them throwing shit on. You got to right to smack the shit out of somebody after they just touch you or anything. I mean, we're human beings. Yeah. Who said you can just touch you. Let me tell you something. I learned how to slap five through Buster Runs. Oh, now.
Starting point is 00:48:50 It's Dats is legend. You know who told me about the dance. You know how many times he can't be black and blues? Biggie told me before I met him, get your hand red. And me and Luton P is like, what are you talking about? He's going to come in here. He's going to show you mad love. He's going to smack the shit out of you.
Starting point is 00:49:05 What? He's laughing. Like, whatever, big. And he came in, Capas! No, he blew your shit. Your shit got the, you know when you niggas slapped you five
Starting point is 00:49:15 and you got a black and blue? That happened to me a hundred times. I had to learn the hallway after maybe 150 black and blue. I started like, yo, boss, with subsanute, you general. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:28 Yo, hey, I'm coming. His handshake. What? Like a, yo, yo, boss. I think for a period of time, I actually. He was preparing you for the, your boss,
Starting point is 00:49:36 head shake, yo, like this, it didn't have broke my hand a million times. God, Jerry Root. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:49:43 yo my God. Like, y'all boss, you're a character, man. Sometimes people love you for your music, your energy,
Starting point is 00:49:51 everything you bring to the table, all legendary. You're the greatest performer in hip hop history. Whoever, I was thinking about this in the middle of this, whoever performed before you,
Starting point is 00:50:01 before you ever. Everybody. No, no, He's the headline of all headline. You'd be stupid. You're not here. You're not listening to the question.
Starting point is 00:50:11 I'm not saying who fucked up. Who fuck the place up before you went on and you tap sniffing, you said, we got to go ahead. Oh, no. We got to go. What artists
Starting point is 00:50:24 fuck tore the pain off that motherfucker and you was like, oh, we got, we got to rip this shit down to the highest of levels. That's a good question. Hello. Nobody.
Starting point is 00:50:39 That's a really good question. I do, I have, like, faint memories of feeling like we needed to, like, I do remember there's been some moments. I just can't remember who the groups was off the top of my head. But I remember there's been conversations where, and I love to go out and watch. You do. I want to see the energy that the crowd is given. I want to see what we up against. and I want to
Starting point is 00:51:07 and I just need to know how we need to deal with the situation after when it's our time to get on or before we whoever we getting on. There's been times me and Spliff actually sat in the dressing room after we would go back from watching somebody
Starting point is 00:51:25 set and we would make adjustments scratch a tour come to open the laptop we might not have included these joints in this set list today we put them shit in there to date. Yeah. That motherfucker tore the paint off the wall. We got to deal with this different.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Because we assume you ripping down everything. So we're not like we just, he's the greatest. But there has had to be somebody that went before you and you was like, that's the fact. I just can't remember off the top of my head.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Das effects. Das effects. Das effects during the leaders day. I'm sick of the bumsticking. Bums, skittany, bump, bum, barra, bup, people. The ill is DOS effects story ever, man. Can I hear it? Can I hear it, kiss?
Starting point is 00:52:15 It's a little bit sad. We had one of them festivals. Bay Area, I think, somewhere. It's one of them crazy shits where they had. The budget is $100 billion. They got to have it by Ice Cube. Dots effects, blocks. That shit in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:52:32 That shit in Vegas was disgusting. Like, none of the shit. Yeah. We ripped and I was you know fans of hip I want to dry
Starting point is 00:52:41 off roll up and go enjoy go enjoy my iconic friends yeah so I'm in my trailer
Starting point is 00:52:49 trying off switching my t-shirts getting a new t-shirt getting my sent who's ready
Starting point is 00:52:54 to go watch ice cube is next but getting a knock on my door is Dast effects manager
Starting point is 00:53:01 she just must know I'm a nice guy knocked on the door but I don't know Oh, I'm saying, boom, Jaylor. How you doing? I'm such as such.
Starting point is 00:53:11 I managed dots and facts. This height. Nice to meet you. Man, this, that. Can I ask you something? Can I talk to you for a minute? Nah, I'll step out. Me.
Starting point is 00:53:20 All right. Can you make it a little quick? You know what I'm saying? I want to catch ice cube. No disrespect me. Oh, this, yeah. You know, they got the song with Ice Cube.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Don't check. Riggedy wreck yourself. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of my favorite songs You know he never performed He never performed it with him You don't let him perform it Now I'm like
Starting point is 00:53:46 How could I be the mentor Of this like Where did you see How you see me fixing Now she's explaining it All you is Do do do do do do He did it again
Starting point is 00:54:00 You lost it He was up there ripping the paint And she did with the four-four. She made me mention, I left in it. Lady, I got to go. But the whole shit that she wanted them because they was there. He never called him. I said, I feel sad, but I can't.
Starting point is 00:54:19 What do you on me to do? I was like, she put me in an awkward situation. You know, I perform a couple of times with Chris Brown, but I do get a little jealous because I go to all his concerts. And when he played at another round, I'm like, you did New York at versus? I wasn't picking the side.
Starting point is 00:54:38 I'm not going to lie. I wasn't picking the locks. I wasn't picking dipset. I was minding my business in the crowd. When that New York came on, I almost jumped on that fucking stage. I got a hundred guys. I'm about to take over it.
Starting point is 00:54:54 You don't know how bad. When he's talking about the MC and you, niggins? Oh my God. If it wasn't, environment, I would have fucking went like the Lucha Libre they niggins when they jump on it. You know how they jump in the ring? Like a mascot.
Starting point is 00:55:12 Yo! I was like, a wrestler. When he threw that shit, boom, boom. I said, oh, the crowd start going. I said, maybe I need to run on there, but I couldn't do it. You know, you, you know, I was, I was neutral. That energy in that fucking building that night, bro. You took that.
Starting point is 00:55:32 That was a Jesus Christ moment that you took it to. You hear me? Kiss. That was a Jesus Christ moment, bro. And I don't know. Sometimes it confuses me why you must got like a different type of money now. You really must have a different type of bag. Like sometimes me and Swiss would be on the phone.
Starting point is 00:55:55 You talk about Kiss. Like how many of these amazing moments that he's going to have? And he refuses to make an album and capitalize on it. That's a different type of money. You know it's my birthday business partner. Nothing fell off the truck. I'm looking for something. I have something for the nose.
Starting point is 00:56:20 The truck is coming. You don't want nothing for the nose. Little fencing all, something for me. Nothing for the nose. Little fenty? You got a little fenty for me something? A little something. Maybe you got a trim for something for the trim.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Yo, man. No, this guy here. This right here. Yo, boy. He got sitting on so much money. I've given them plays. Where I'm like, yo, did you? Everybody crills.
Starting point is 00:56:55 I'm chilling crack. Yo, there's somebody. You don't want that? You don't want me to go in there and negotiate? We call, you know, when the time comes, I'm like, Jesus Christ, this guy, he got some patience. Yeah, Jay Clock is different. Jay the Kiss Clock is a different clock. And he heard all the time, you know, you know.
Starting point is 00:57:21 But that's an incredible thing to be able to function in that capacity in this point of our life, man. Niggins is doing what they want, when they want. We fucking still on the 10th decimal On the volume now I'm louder than a motherfucker Moving and shaking Shaking these rooms up And enjoying it
Starting point is 00:57:42 On our times now And that's the joy of this whole shit For us now You feel me? It's fucking Keep showing their ass The buses don't stop, niggas so we don't stop
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Starting point is 01:00:28 plane before without his family. It was so pure. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 3 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families. It started more than seven years ago when Cindy and Kenny were two 40-somethings who had just gotten engaged. Days later, they walked into a scorched earth war they never saw coming. Turn around and place your hands by your back. The cops given to my house and threw me in jail.
Starting point is 01:01:08 And to Cindy's surprise, her fiancé Kenny, was charged with abusing one of her children. I never once doubted Kenny, and I always doubted the accusation. On season three of Burden of Guilt, you'll hear a story about the length someone will go to in order to get what they want. This case has got to be one of the most despicable.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Listen to season three of Burden of Guilt on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're going on a tour with this album Or you just You already on tour Yeah yeah You're always
Starting point is 01:01:49 Yeah we definitely Lifetime guarantee you on tour I gotta designate A specific type of experience For this tour And we definitely gone All of that is in the works To start later on this year
Starting point is 01:02:00 And go until As long as we could take this shit I saw you going on tour When He said you're on tour With nis This this that One show man
Starting point is 01:02:12 You gotta start reading it When you scroll down, read it. Don't just scroll past, read this shit. It's a show with the roots and nars. One show. And it happened already. I was hoping you went on to one. I said, damn, I might have three weeks of it.
Starting point is 01:02:29 They're just still using my name and likeness because I ain't able to make that shit. You're not even going to make the show? Going to be in Barbados at another show. I'm like, baby, bust the place. Some, you know what? Sometimes I get jealous of the Jada kiss shows because they look like a lot of fun. He show up in the Brooklyn block and start ripping that shit. I don't even know what they don't allow me to do shit like that,
Starting point is 01:03:04 sure they do. Just drive your car there, pull up, park, and get out in the same way I did. I wasn't even supposed to be there. You know, that was my man's block. You just felt like I'm going to rip this shit down. I was going to get a chair and sitting. I was actually going to see D-D-D. I went there to look at D-D-D-D.
Starting point is 01:03:22 And Specialet, they saw me on the other side of the stoop and threw me to Mike like a volley boy. Oh. Shut it up. Where was you at when you heard that I got it made for the first time? I could tell you where I was at. Specialette, I got it made. You was already out, right?
Starting point is 01:03:42 Nah. Ed came out before leaders. What? On God. And leaders came out before you? Yeah. Holy shit, I'm a baby. I swear to God, all of those shit was detrimental for me.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Told you, they leaders performed in Y-O at Commerce High School. And X opened up for him when X, X, this was just a Y-O-Let. So it was a great. But we didn't get to see him perform that much. So X opened up. I remember that show. Oh, that's crazy. Just another case of the PTA after.
Starting point is 01:04:18 Just another case of the pain off. He couldn't believe they was going to beat it. He was like, it wasn't no AI or the gram or none of that. But we thought it was like false word of the flyer was fit. Man, the new school's coming to Ohio. That shit was crazy. He ripped the pain off. PTA paint or.
Starting point is 01:04:40 I remember that I was in school, young Jada. It wasn't even Jada. I was Jason. That energy, a different type of, you know, that time, like I said, like I told you, I was trying to get on, giving niggas my demo. I think I gave my demo. I gave Flojo to Russell Simmons,
Starting point is 01:05:02 and how can I be down? You let the street to him? No, no. Yeah, he probably. He definitely ain't, listen. You know, I kidnapped Red Man one day, not literally. One day Red Man came to perform uptown, and I jumped in his truck. He was like, yo, he didn't even know who I was.
Starting point is 01:05:21 I was like, yo, check this out of me. I got my album, you're going to listen to this shit. You know, it's ill with that. That's how you had to do. That's what you had to. Today, all they got to do is hit Sin and send it to Egypt. You got to jump in Edmund's truck. You know what that is?
Starting point is 01:05:38 It's a different kind of dedication. You had to stand outside in front of Hot 97 and all it. You had to beg you. I got a better one for you. When I came out on relativity with Flojo, I told, I mean, it might have been the cheapest budget you ever seen in the history of mankind. I said, y'all, I want you to make these giant posters.
Starting point is 01:06:02 Giant posters. The original Flojo posters, the fat gangster, with some big black and white shit like this. So they made the posters, and I went everywhere with the Tats crew with glue, meagher. Every day we look like 9-11. Every night we hitting Queens, Brooklyn, brought up on our own posters.
Starting point is 01:06:25 We glue. This shit wasn't even like tape or nothing. It was glue all night. Then to go home in the morning to sleep, to make sure I'm at every train station at 2.30 when everybody got out of school giving niggas a thing going, y'all, I'm fat Joe, the gangster.
Starting point is 01:06:45 I was giving niggas hand-to-hand combat, 125th, Fordham Road. Yo, I'm fat Joe. You heard the song Flojo? On Picks 96, so it. Yo, this is me. Yo, so, niggit, like, this shit was real back in the day. This shit was like,
Starting point is 01:07:03 if you wasn't if you wasn't outside working working working working working working working working working working working it just wasn't happening I don't know too many somebody who just put one out the park like that with no work that we didn't see
Starting point is 01:07:19 Rob Base might be one of those now Rob Bates for them where he's from Lincoln Projects on 132nd but his first shit just rung off crazy he used to be at the Mike and Dave black parties on Park Avenue. Yeah, I knew of my
Starting point is 01:07:37 raw base. It takes two as his first thing. He just came out of nowhere to you. That's out of nowhere. Yeah, he smacked the fucking time. No, that's a super man. That's out of the park for life. He had a ball that they didn't have.
Starting point is 01:07:51 You know what happened to me, bus? They think I'm a liar. They think I'm a liar. They discredited me. I happen to work in the bodega across the street from Rob Bass's projects. So I seen them get in the first limo. I seen them with the Nike that the dancer. I seen all that shit as the fat Puerto Rican kid from the store across the street who make
Starting point is 01:08:16 the sandwiches. Him and Mitch Blood Green living in a private. Mixed blood green will come every day dust it and he bought 40 ounce. Like y'all, I'm going to fuck Mike Tyson up. I'm going to fuck nigga with the Jerry curl juice. Like, yeah, I, all right, by that. Come on, aye. Sure enough, he fought Mike Tyson, mids blood green. Went the other way.
Starting point is 01:08:37 Oh, no. At least he's the first, I think, to survive. It might not know. Mike Tyson was fucking niggas up in 10 seconds. He survived. They had a real fight at the time of there? Yeah. Before.
Starting point is 01:08:50 He was on all kind of drugs. They fought before that. And he went to distance. Yo, what's that shit? He ain't going to distance at that. Anker? What's that shit? Yo, what's that shit on the ship? A anchor?
Starting point is 01:09:02 Yeah. Nick of Mike Tyson was hitting that nigga with that anchor. He was on so much drugs. He wouldn't go down. Mike Tyson said, yo, that nigga just kept popping back up, pop it back. You couldn't stop him. Like, he was on big time drugs, is what I'm saying. For all the real ones out there, we keep in 1800.
Starting point is 01:09:23 So, you know, just saying the obvious shit, like, with B-I-G, you know, I know they say it all the time, but you went to school, the same school as B-I-G and J-Z. Irf-G-Rv-G-E-Z. No, Earth-G-G-Ref-G-E-N-Ref-G in that school?
Starting point is 01:09:41 Yeah, it was just me big and Hove. And a testament to what we all talking about with the work that had to get put in, because there wasn't on social media and there wasn't none of this other shit. you had to actually make sure that you was delivering on a pristine enough level for motherfuckers to feel like
Starting point is 01:10:04 they needed to be the first niggas to put other niggers on about you. So that word of mouth shit was that was the way to get the fucking bus popping. So me and Hove was rhyming in school. Big, I never saw big rhyme in school. Big. us a little weed
Starting point is 01:10:24 in there and there in school. But I never seen them rhyme at school. When I knew Big was rhyming was when we did bunch of niggas on Heavy D album. And Big was on that. And then Big jumped on
Starting point is 01:10:42 Cardi and bullshit. And I still didn't realize that was him. It was big from school. One day I'm going to get a fucking check from, what's that? Burr-Perdale. Fucking Pardell.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Burr-Padell. Going to get a check from Bert Padell. For some feature that I did. Bird Padell. Burt fucking Padell, right? Yeah. And Big was getting a check from over there, I think. I was going back to Brooklyn
Starting point is 01:11:11 and Big got in a whip with us and we dropped them off at his crib. And I thought this motherfucker was insane for this because Big had the double cassette. You remember them, JVC? double cassette big boxes and at that time it was the bootlegging shit happening
Starting point is 01:11:28 crazy you know what I'm saying everybody would be outside you see a nigga bootlegging your shit it was getting he was gonna get dealt with so big he was dubbing his album and giving them shits away
Starting point is 01:11:43 and he had a line from his block from Fulton to his crib like a drug spot. And he's giving his shit away, giving this shit away. And I'm sitting there watching him do this in amazement. And I almost just was trying to understand
Starting point is 01:12:03 what the fuck was you up to? What was he up to before I even asked him? They go big. I'm like, what you doing? What are you giving away your album for? For free, nigger? You ain't trying to make no money? And they can say, oh, bus,
Starting point is 01:12:17 I want the nigger that's not playing my shit to look like he fucking crazy for not playing. my shit. That was the most genius shit a motherfucker ever said to me, marketing and promoting his own shit. He like the shit going to get bootleg anyway.
Starting point is 01:12:35 So let me control the bootlegging. I don't even want no money because as long as every single person is playing my shit, the nigga that ain't playing it is going to look crazy, bus. I said, this is, this is it.
Starting point is 01:12:51 I never could bring myself to boot. lug at my own shit. Nah, I used to beat them off. I used to beat them all up. I mean, I went to the 1-25th. I tell a story all the time, but everybody don't got the story. I went over there,
Starting point is 01:13:03 Tupac was fucking up all the bootlegs. Pounding the biggest out. A nigger tried to fight him with a sword. He took it from him. Poor day life. I got the coat. Tupac's your court. My biggest song, why.
Starting point is 01:13:17 I had a meet with Jimmy Ivan. I had all of that. He putting the bag up behind it. is one of them serious meets. Fly back. I shit at Bull Lake. Me. I'm fine in this Nick.
Starting point is 01:13:31 Shout out to DJ School Duke. Turned out to be my man. I'll find them. I'm ready to risk it all. Him. Jimmy I if he didn't them gave it to me. Me, I figured, that's it. That me.
Starting point is 01:13:45 You be a niggins up. The label who gave it to me? I was there in the bootleg. They gave it to me. Where you get this? Sorry to tell you, they me, uh, gave me that. I ain't gonna do it.
Starting point is 01:13:58 I'm out of it. That shit is crazy. Yeah, I can, like, they don't know shit. They gave it to. Big punk got who killed in the white van for the, I wanted to be the postal work and go back there, clear the whole fucking bill.
Starting point is 01:14:11 You know, it was so much shit that went down behind bootlegging, like, motherfuckers really getting hurt out there for that shit. You out there putting hands and feet on these niggies at the table. meanwhile somebody from the name gave it to just like recipe one day
Starting point is 01:14:29 one day gave Slay I told Slay I said Slay I see your Slay How you had them Easy Every time you edited the album Every time you mix
Starting point is 01:14:39 The Master Day And you know the white guy You mastered your shit Yeah 1,500 gave me the album The second you walked out the door You know
Starting point is 01:14:48 You know when you go sit down and master where this shit look expensive and you got like a white dude that he knows and he got the shit nigga K State was like bro and I'd be lucky if I got there and Klu wasn't walking out before like
Starting point is 01:15:04 the editing niggis was giving them the fucking albums ahead of time that's how you heard all the mixtapes and they had all that shit ahead of time there's no way to save that did anybody ever kill one of them any of them? Nah them niggas got away with it big pun the only nigga I seen
Starting point is 01:15:21 put an apple on the engineer's head, battery studio, and pulled out the hammer, told him, don't move. And the kid was, he was, the kid stood there with the apple on his head. He started sweating, man. The nigger looked like menopause. Yeah. The niggas started sweating like a hot flash. Poor little kid, man.
Starting point is 01:15:47 And I was terrified because, you know, Punda had a thing for them guns. And I'm like, yo pun, your pun, Tony Sunshine is fixing the apple on the niggis head. So I'm like, yo pun, your pun. He goes, bah! The kid dives under the shit. I'm like, oh my God. Like, it was like one of the movie guns. The blanks.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Or the blanks. Not Chris Lighty, not a motherfucking human in the world could ever get battery studios to take fat Joe's money. again. That's correct. Dead. They never entertained. Yo, but you know it's been three years. Don't come here.
Starting point is 01:16:31 Don't come. Them niggins. Tony Sunshine and Big Pum were fucking me. I go to hotels. They'd be like, Big Pond lit up the whole, you know, you know, when you don't smoke the shit,
Starting point is 01:16:42 the whole burn down the whole floor, you know, on purpose. The shit came out. He was burning. These guys were like, dead. These guys, I remember I went, oh, we was in the Mandrian Orients. I'm talking about spots where I was spending cash money.
Starting point is 01:17:02 Like, Manjian Oriental, when I lived in Miami, I booked that shit out for a month straight, this, this, that. One day I came there had my bags at the front. I said, you know what I happened? They used to park my Rose Royce in the front, Mr. Joe, this, because I'm generous. I like to give tips every day. I'm like to say, Mr. Joe, you can't.
Starting point is 01:17:20 can't come here no more. What happened? Your friend, Tony Sunshine, the man gave him a cold hamburger, you smack flames out the man all the way in the biggest office. They said, you can't be here no more. Maybe about 10 years later, I went to the man. He didn't oriented to thinking it was all. They was like, says here, you can't stay here. He was just in there. They took it off. They took it back. No, he took it off. I'm talking about 20-some years ago, but these guys was doing shit. fucking up places that I had to juice in. Like, I was like, oh no, you should.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Niggas had my bag's back for me. Like, no, sir, you can't come back in here. Like, you're going to jail if you walk in this building. How often do y'all practice? And because y'all got one of the illish setups, scratch the talk and tell you some shit. And the crowd can't, he can tell you a bus. We're about to go into the moon, right?
Starting point is 01:18:17 Y'all stage dynamics. it keeps getting better with age and time. Thank you, James. How, he's doing that shit. Oh, yeah, but if you watch
Starting point is 01:18:32 the show from the crowd, that nigga boss going to the crowd hip-hop observer, they all got a they all playing a part in it and it's the most
Starting point is 01:18:46 craziest shit I ever seen from the listening from this whole shit. And you got, y' got to be, I gotta huddle up a lot of times a week or a month
Starting point is 01:18:59 or, I got to be adding and doing shit. That ain't just, because you knew each other for all of them. Y' got some shit. Do you do that still, bus? You got to. Get together, practice, this or that?
Starting point is 01:19:13 Yeah, we do that when it's to study and learn the words to the new songs. Other than that, now. Because we've been doing certain shit for years. became muscle memory. Yeah, it definitely became muscle memory. But the ill shit is sometimes, too,
Starting point is 01:19:27 we might do some shit that we ain't realized. Mistake and it turned into... Yeah, because the cameraman is filming. Yeah. So when we get the shit back, it's like we look at shit and we catch, oh shit, we just did that. We ain't even look at each other
Starting point is 01:19:40 when we did that because it's like, we'll do shit because we know where the drop is going to happen in the record. We know the beat going to drop hit. We know that's the snare going to slap here. So after like nukes When you do the drops in the beat So we'll sometimes do shit
Starting point is 01:19:55 Just to amplify What's getting ready to happen This part of the song But if we don't plan what we're going to do The shit look dope Sometimes be a mistake Yeah the mistakes sometimes Or the moments you ain't think of
Starting point is 01:20:09 But they happen in sync That shit will definitely get added to the song I watch y'all be so disrespectful I watch Slift star do shit like Yeah Hey! hand. And I'm like,
Starting point is 01:20:23 yo, this thing is crazy, my nigga like, yo, I know when you're on one, you're always on one. But I see shit with the thing
Starting point is 01:20:33 doing the sideways hand. And then the music come down and you're like, yo let me say, you never argue with scratchy to her. You can't.
Starting point is 01:20:46 Now, we do it off state. You do it. No, I don't think you are. You argue. with Scratchett toward, you actually argue. We family, we brothers.
Starting point is 01:20:53 We're going, we're going... Every time I got a DJ like that where it went to the symmetric floater, you could talk to them through the cheekbone through anywhere that nigga drop that shit like this, they quit. Every DJ ever had like that... You talk through the cheekbones. Sick.
Starting point is 01:21:14 I try to let it talk through the cheekbones is a sick one, dog. Anytime I had a DJ, yeah, he had to have a self-inflicted. He had to have a self-inflicted flag. I remember my DJ, man, one of my favorite DJs involved with DJ Somatic. He lived in Atlanta. What's up, Somatic? God loves you. He told me he was going to the church.
Starting point is 01:21:38 Bless that man. That man might have broke my heart 40,000. We had that shit gumdrop. You can just look. We was like, oh, my God. that shit was so perfect. He would drop that. When we killed some shit in like South Africa,
Starting point is 01:21:58 Chris Brown, it was just disgusting. And the man come back, right when I said, oh my God, I got it. Quitting brother, going to church. Yeah, that's true. The woman wants me in church. Yo, you might as far as shop me, big. I'm like, sympathetic.
Starting point is 01:22:17 He's the church. I said, He said, God touched you? He said, God. I said, it's God. No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:22:31 No, no, no. I had people I really was going to hurt on another level. And then they come and they go, hey, he got baptized. He's with God. And I'm like, he's with God.
Starting point is 01:22:47 And they were like, yeah, you know, the guy who got baptized. baptized. Now, when you find that chemistry, that shit is hard to replace that. Let him go. That chemistry is when you find that magic. Chemistry, that's what I'm trying to say.
Starting point is 01:23:04 Like, if I'm busting the wrongs, I'm never arguing with Scra. Yo, I ain't got nothing to say to that, man. Hell's crap. Even my DJ now. I love Stitt. He's a sentiment. It's been?
Starting point is 01:23:19 Oh, my God. You watch what you say. He might quit on stage. So we, I don't even play with him. I'm telling you. One day we're in the car. He's driving. And we're like,
Starting point is 01:23:32 yo, make a left, make a right. The nicket stops the car in the middle of the highway, 70 mile by, and the highway, niggins,
Starting point is 01:23:41 why don't want to you drive? I'm, no, I'm sorry. You're doing great. No. You want to drive? Niggas is,
Starting point is 01:23:52 yeah. I'm like, yo, he gets that. That man, sensitive. We're not barbering for nothing. Been getting away with anything in the world. Because we got that chemistry. Once you get that chemistry, you know, Spliff, he had a health scare.
Starting point is 01:24:15 What was that for you? Because, like, oh, my God, man. I don't even like to think that way. But it's like, like, split and scratch. Like them brothers is literally like Probably the longest consistent friendship in brotherhood
Starting point is 01:24:32 that I've had throughout my entire life So it's like When it comes to health issues It's super scary to fucking deal with Like the thought of that You know what I'm saying? Especially the type of shit That Spliff dealt with
Starting point is 01:24:48 You know what I'm saying? So it really helped you Like the shit you might have probably used to complain about a fucking shit that would get on your nerves and shit. You damn there, don't even give a fuck about none of that. And that same
Starting point is 01:25:04 energy get redirected into beefing over, making sure you're doing whatever you can to be as healthy as you could be, my nigga. Because obviously, God don't know, you know, almost another five seconds. Tomorrow ain't promised.
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Starting point is 01:29:00 Who skiffed at my loo in the building, crack. All right. What up? Skip. The Lou King. Stay with stuff to the cameras. Come here, man. Come on the camera, right.
Starting point is 01:29:09 I know it's legendary. You'll be on a legend, too. Street Bull. You love Streetball. You know when I signed you to the terrorist squad out there, them niggins is mad at his hell raping. Skip to my little cape through on the back court. Man.
Starting point is 01:29:24 Yeah, your son is doing work. Your son. You know what's not going to play with any of a team. Your son is doing. Yo, what's up with your son, man? He's doing work. I had a surreal moment last night, man. Tears of joy.
Starting point is 01:29:40 My son was playing in Rucker Park. Wow. He's one of the top high school players in the nation. Oh, he did. And so the top 24 players in high school played in Rucker Park. What position do you play? The slam game. Congrats, King.
Starting point is 01:29:55 He was a killer, man. You boy, you. I love to see that. Appreciate that. We love you, my brother. Rayford Austin, y'all skipped my lose. Streetball legend. In the NBA legend.
Starting point is 01:30:11 Yeah, but hold up. The streetball, I think he, yo, Yo, Rayford, I think you're positive and you fuck shit up. You know how hip-hop, they say, you know, we talk gangsters shit. We'd be good, but we probably, because I think you made every streetball guy think they can make it to the league. That's what's not sight for, though, God. They was not getting that.
Starting point is 01:30:34 You did that shit. from the park to the NBA. Love you, brother. We salute you, Ken. All right. We'll talk. Shout to the Fresno State Day. I'll listen, I'm going to tell you crazy as she.
Starting point is 01:30:49 You know, it was my birthday party the other day. Say what? It was my birthday party the other day. Nah, I was there. Congratulations and happy birthday again. I was fried. I'm not Jada kiss. I don't have a memory of a bull.
Starting point is 01:31:03 Let me tell you something, bus. right and you got away you probably the only human being that didn't have a suit on you still fly you had Louis Vuitton but if you wasn't Buster Rhymes you was down the block record it's like I'm telling you
Starting point is 01:31:18 if I wouldn't see I'd have been like oh no no my man you gotta get this but you bust the rocks like I said you like fucking but I was gonna tell you so I saw a picture right and so you know I never take pictures but I see a picture and it was the moment
Starting point is 01:31:34 I saw Callie and my face is just like you can't even pay for that. Like, you know, there's certain friends that make you feel so good when you see them. Yeah. And there's a picture. Somebody took,
Starting point is 01:31:50 I posted it where I seen Callet and I was like, I felt like you hit a touchdown and your man is here. And so that's what I feel like when I talk about Spliff with you and him that your relationship
Starting point is 01:32:04 is, it's icon. tonic too, just to say the least. My brother, closest friend on this planet, he's definitely not somebody that you want. There's no Spliff is a one of none. He's not even a one of one.
Starting point is 01:32:19 He's a one of none. You know what I'm saying? And scratch it towards the same. And I think that's what makes the friendship and the chemistry and just the magic of everything that we've had from single digit age
Starting point is 01:32:35 to today. that has allowed us to continue to evolve. Like, I knew them before leaders. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was getting into shit that I shouldn't have been getting into being around the splits and the scratch of tours.
Starting point is 01:32:53 Spliff ain't no pussy. I've been there. I got busy with Spliff. Like, what are you talking about? No, Blip get busy. I got busy with Spliff. Star. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:33:02 You know, I'm telling you, he's not pussy. Spliff, Star, he get busy. 1800 toast Buster Ron's new project Yo, that shit Knock your fucking head off I was waiting for that That's what I was waiting for
Starting point is 01:33:16 I'm like Knocked your fucking head off That's the fucking head off Jesus Christ What's this call right here This song right here We're about to be blessed with This is an incredible moment
Starting point is 01:33:32 Because it got Two of my incredible brothers on it Dilla obviously is one of them. And D'Angelo is the other one. Oof. You know, it's still so recent. It's still challenging to accept that D.A. ain't here no more.
Starting point is 01:33:52 Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So Deangelo and Dilla, I met both of them through Q-Tip. I met Dilla through TIP. I met D'AGLO through TIP and Ali Shahid at Battery. where you ain't allowed to go no more. Yeah, yeah. Or at Battery.
Starting point is 01:34:12 So, I met Irv Gotti at Battery one day by mistake. That's how I met Irv Guy. We both booked the studio. We talked shit seven in the morning. I didn't know Irv Gotti. That's how we got cool. Battery's a beautiful place.
Starting point is 01:34:26 Yeah, Battery's got a lot of fucking history, bro. Yeah. That's where all the scenario and all of that shit happened at, battery. That's where Kid Hood really lived long enough. first one day and died, I think, next day or two days later. Wow. But a lot of history is in battery, man.
Starting point is 01:34:44 But this record with me, DiAngelo and Dilla, this is called This Woman. You Della? Love you, D'Angelo. But if you call with this man, it will be a... My little pretty Miss Peppermintsoe smelling mommy Make you get up out the whip greet you in the lobby As if being a concierge was a voluntary hobby So worthy you're being escorted everywhere
Starting point is 01:36:10 And anywhere The beauty remind me up a blossom and flower banquet Oscar award winning modern A Dorothy Dandridge Despite you from a foreign land I want to learn your language I'm ravelling a translation Whippin and a vanquish Your sub-disposition demeanor I love it
Starting point is 01:36:24 Get it So confident with the swag Lacks a daze ago with it You're Mac and Mabeline, perfect complexion, angel body, orangeina bottle shape. Mommy's so amazing. Probably we could plan ahead a little I see an illuminated future. Like walking a red carpet, let the camera flashes shoot you. She boomerang her back to me as soon as my mommy see me.
Starting point is 01:36:41 Got her saying, give me, give me, give me. This woman never proper no one. You call with this man, it will be. Undescribable pretty, you make other women sick. I'm what you big, but I ain't, uh-uh, oh, hell no. Let me pull my chair up. Love when you wear your hair up. Increase your sugar level. Let me taste your maple syrup. Unstoppable. You hear silky with every magic motion.
Starting point is 01:37:41 So often rubbing baby skin with Carol's daughter lotion. I now understand when your exa try to cause commotion. Caribbean queen conceiving my little billy ocean. Like to hear your voice when you get to speaking. Hypnotic when we sex, how your water force will be leaking. Maybe my description might be reaching while I'm climbing out. I ain't done with you yet. Now what you whining about?
Starting point is 01:38:00 while I'm making sure Mommy feeling fine She'd make me go till I'm sending Away right up a spine If you ain't knowing It's funny Her reaching every time She loved to let me know it's mine
Starting point is 01:38:10 Me know it's mine Me know it's mine You know it's mine Man It's like It's all about the love of the music You can hear it Ain't nobody
Starting point is 01:39:09 Trying to be this That do this Do that Mawuckin just making great music That's what it's about That's how we started That's how it is right now I love that.
Starting point is 01:39:21 That shit crazy. One quick question. The scenario video, who made up these ideas? Because y'all did shit 20 years ahead of time in this scenario video. Who came up with that concept and all that? Who was ahead of their time like that?
Starting point is 01:39:42 I don't know who came up with it. I do know that the director, I forget his name, Jim Swafield. That's the director He was ill with the idea of You know, like how There's a part in the video where it's like a computer screen And then it's like the cursor moves
Starting point is 01:40:02 And then you fall out of sync With the actual performance of the verse And it's intentionally done So that you don't say your shit on time And then you come back on time I think Jim Swafield came up with that But I know Q-Tip was very involved with
Starting point is 01:40:22 he's hands on with the micromanaging of all of the details when to come to creative shit with trial. So I got to contribute I got to acknowledge the tips involving some kind of significant. Man, I can't lie. That's how I feel how you whack. That's why I start laughing all the time.
Starting point is 01:40:43 Because say the beat is a no... But sororantica, it looks like you falling over. You come back. Five, right on the stairs. right on the stand. I'm like, holy shit. It's almost like you. The mouse went off the screen and came back.
Starting point is 01:41:01 That shit is crazy. Behind the bars is presented by Sprite. Right. We got this Sprite segment and this track is on the list. We were supposed to talk about it. Are you talking about put your hands with my husband? Yes. Just give us a little quick synopsis of like,
Starting point is 01:41:23 how that came about and the flow pat. All that to me was like, no, breath of fresh air. Like, I never heard this before. That's how I felt to me as a fan. What was it like creating that song? Before we rhymed on the beat, I was like this beat too quiet for me to be loud on it. It don't make sense to be loud on it because it was quiet.
Starting point is 01:41:45 And back then, it's reflected on some of the dudes that was stuck in time. A lot of the Caribbean dudes, the Jamaican dudes, the Trinidadian dudes, the guy these dudes and we're being Southeast D.C. and these places. We're still talking in their regular accent and just add yo to the end of the sentence
Starting point is 01:42:04 like that was camouflaged in their accent. By this time we're on, like this is way after that whole era, but they had this dude that was still stuck in that time. And he had money, but he always made himself look like he didn't have money. Yo, Buster.
Starting point is 01:42:22 Minoy, I don't know. money, you're just come back from TV as a big superstar. Now, I'm not $200 U.S. yo. Yeah, I'm hungry, yo. We need some money, yo. Give me some money, yo. So I just was kind of making a joke.
Starting point is 01:42:36 Mimicking him and that shit. Making a joke. This is a L story. Yo, this is crazy. Then you just said, I made, I was using, I was mimicking homie trying to be funny.
Starting point is 01:42:49 It was like we used to collect these these dance hall tapes and sound clashes. And you used like the same word down the whole verse to rhyme with. So I kind of just took that. All the little ingredients just made that. I had one verse
Starting point is 01:43:04 and waited for like a day or two and wrote the second verse. I was there for that. The way y'all was whaling up. Oh my God. They drove under the door. The car soul. You heard? They were like losing their mind. Nah, that changed life.
Starting point is 01:43:22 ever, man. You know, that song right there just changed life. And it's work. You set it off, but it's work for, like, loud artists. Somebody always tap them and be like, yo, why don't you do some of, quiet? Check out the full Sprite Living Track List and break down the stories behind your favorite bars.
Starting point is 01:43:42 The link is in our show notes. This is the Sprite Living Track List. Obey your thirst. But I'm going to tell you, it might not mean none to nobody else. but my favorite Buster Rhyme song, no matter what rhyme, no matter what you say,
Starting point is 01:43:57 it's crazy, you're not going to believe me. It's the baby if you give it to me. I'll give it to you. You know what you want? You know, I got it. It's such a perfect song. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:44:12 It's just like a baby could recite that. I used to go to Virginia Beach. It's one of these shits. We used to be waddling. New York, Jersey, Philly. No, it's almost like that. Damn. It's one of the crazy shit
Starting point is 01:44:29 with his uptempo ramp is on it. What is... The hook is like... Damn, a... That was crazy. Flaving your ear remix. How you got... Rampage on that?
Starting point is 01:44:45 No. How did you do that? You finesse. I took the Puff because at them times I was the finish on every fucking record and put me last on every fucking record and I was starting
Starting point is 01:45:00 flip mode entertainment and I needed to get Rampage buzzing. So when I did the verse and I sent it to him I had put I had told Pup I said I got my cousin who won't get on this I need him to get on this I said just listen to this shit and see what you think
Starting point is 01:45:15 So when he heard Ramp verse, he was fucking with it, but this is how Pupp did me. He said, if you want your cousin on this shit, you got to do this shit for free because he got an invoice for me. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:45:37 So I'll be nigged on the invoice to give Ramp to look. Because I knew what this moment was. You can fucking L big, me, Craig, And Craig record was the most smoking shit at the time. Sure.
Starting point is 01:45:52 And it just was a perfect scenario to get ramped a springboard to jump. Who did the original, uh, the punk? Easy Mobee did that. You know what beat that is, right? What? Beat it. Dude, all the way slow down. Beated.
Starting point is 01:46:09 There's always something with an element of something. Oh, that's fuck out of it. Beat it, bus. Beat it. It's all the way. No. No. I only do my homework.
Starting point is 01:46:24 I can go research. No. Whatever you want. Just listen. Use your brain and listen to it. You're talking about the sample or you're talking about the way you're The sample. The sample is something I got the same shit.
Starting point is 01:46:37 I see an easy mo' P talking about. Yo, that's not, me. This thing can be. It's all of the. where he slowed down. Of a day, I get what you said. Choped up and slowed down.
Starting point is 01:46:51 It's not just slowed down. It's chopped up and it slowed down. Right. Shahim, you ain't know that. You know everything. He got one on you, huh? I do this shit. Did you know that who shot you
Starting point is 01:47:04 and I shot you came from the same sample? Who shot you? I shot you. L.O., you know what came from? I don't hear that. The same exact sample. You said it. words. You're not saying the same
Starting point is 01:47:18 beat. Steve Stout caught me the other day. It says you think you know everything that you don't know this. We sampled the same sample. For I shotcha and who shot is made
Starting point is 01:47:34 by Nashin. The same nigga who made T-O-N-Y. Enphatically non-cipher. The fucking guys made that your man, trackmasters did that shit. Everybody else. You have a problem. from listening.
Starting point is 01:47:47 I said, who shot you is made by Nassau? I don't say nothing about I shot you. Who shot you? Steve Stout says. Sout didn't make the fucking beat. Nashim from the hitman made it. Can I tell you?
Starting point is 01:48:00 That's a fact. Steve Sout. Steve Sout. Who shot you? Trackmaster's made eyeshots. No, no. I don't stay by the sample. No.
Starting point is 01:48:12 No. No, all right. Breaking news. Who shot him? Can I say something? Go ahead. Can I say something? Steve Stout, now you're going to make me bring him here.
Starting point is 01:48:21 Steve Stout told me the trackmasters really made that beat and Puff ain't give them no credit. So they went to sample the same record and gave it the hell out. Pretty boy, you made. You can hate me that all type of niggies, made. I'm not saying that. I'm not. You know that?
Starting point is 01:48:37 I knew that. But if you start going into that way, you start going into that way. Okay. No, no, no. Wait, wait. Maybe all the world. Kevin,
Starting point is 01:48:47 Kevin Louse, oh, girl, you know it's true. Kevin Louss got the publishing. Ooh, ooh, oh, oh. I love you. His name's on the back as the executive writer. He wrote that.
Starting point is 01:49:00 Get the fuck out of here, bro. That's Kevin Louse. Get the, oh, shit. I want to go to all that you want to get going. I got shit for days. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:49:13 That's crazy. This ain't that. Ooh, ooh. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss, God damn it. Oh, what's that? Oh, man, why your niggas doing all that, man? Happy birthday, King.
Starting point is 01:49:27 Happy birthday, brother. Happy birthday, brother. What? Joey Crack. Even the candles is new. Yo, I can't blow those shit, some parts. Those shit that go on champagne bottom.
Starting point is 01:49:54 That shit, you can't even. That shit too much. But thank you guys. I appreciate it. I'm not used to that shit right there. My wife and did that shit. They did that shit to me last. The other day, I was at Calbone.
Starting point is 01:50:10 They came out with... Yeah, this is give him a fork. That's a cake to the head. No, no, that's diabetes. That ain't no sugar-free. I can see the sugar. Yo, let's get this flick. We need to...
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