Julian Dorey Podcast - No. 1 Cartel Expert on The 3 “Ground Zeroes” of the Mexican Cartel Occult | Ed Calderon • 465 | Ed Calderon • 465

Episode Date: August 21, 2026

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You just got something fresh off the press about some coccanea submarines. Like what's going on there? Yeah. I mean, I think the Nicaragua Army has found some. We see this rhetoric around ocean interdiction being down. But like somehow it's still getting here. I think they've only found one of these examples of these new autonomous subs. In the past, you would have people inside of these subs driving it, basically, or manning the engines and shit like that.

Basically, there were boats that were just right below the water, painted blue, kind of hard to spot, unless you're flying over them. Big ass ocean, so some of them would get through. But now they're autonomous. They're being dragged by a bigger boat, and if something happens or somebody's about to be seeing them or anything, they get released. and then they go off on their way. GPS location is already active in them. They have math in them where they're going to go toward somewhere and then get picked up somewhere else.

These are probably very, there's a lot of them probably out there somewhere. They're hard to spot unless you're looking for them. And I don't see a lot of the interdiction stuff that we're seeing out there kind of falling into that line. These are some of the older ones, but I think they found, yeah, like an unmanned one. I think when it comes to, like, again, drones.

Yeah, we might not even have a picture of that yet. It might be classified. It's out there. But these are, these are drone. These are like, again, drones have changed everything. Basically, they go here and just put math in it. Yeah. Is that what you're looking at?

a low profile unmanned semi-submersible vessel sits between two columbian navy boats off the coast of taurona park near santa maria columbia d'iph just put that on the screen for everyone to see that's from 2025 this is a drone narco sub equipped with starlink yep to see elan enter in the game oh starlis for the first time in the caribbean the cartels you starlink I love Elon. Big fans. It's everywhere. That's one version of it. I'm pretty sure there's some other version of it out there that actually goes below the water and gets dragged by another boat and it has a buoyancy thing so it levels itself so it

could just go underwater and just go to where it needs to. Now that might be one of the ways it's going across. Tunnels are another way. Tunnels. Yeah. They just found a pretty big one in Tijuana. And it came out on like a dollar store on the other side that was apparently being utilized as a giant front for cocaine smuggling. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review.

They're both a huge huge help. Thank you. So these active tunnels are probably a lot of them. There's no way of telling how many. But there's probably many of them. Yeah, this is the one they found This is what you're looking for? Yeah, this is the tunnel they just found.

So that's another way. I mean, that's a pretty sophisticated one. 900 foot tunnel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's probably just one of many. Like, if you're going to make one of those, just why not make a few? That's mining level.

Jesus Christ. Equipment being utilized for this. I don't know if it has it, but there's one video where they have, I think one of those guys going to put himself on the little track they had in there and just like zoom away. Maybe they're hiring the guys in Brooklyn. Maybe. Maybe.

They're pretty good at it. It's mostly people who have been laid off or scared off some of the mining operations in Mexico. They're pretty hard to manage right now because they get killed working in some of those mining events. This is from two weeks ago, Dief? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is recent. He's got another one.

U.S. finds huge tunnel. Oh, it's the same. Oh, look, that's what I'm talking. Look. Oh, look at the ramps. I may or may not know one of those guys. It's, it's, uh, the 589 meters. That's one of many. So the issue is you have two giant urban sprawling areas right next to each other on war. Perfect for tunneling. Now, um, is it coming out at a car wash? It's like a dollar store, like a strip mall where, where they found it. Saw Goodman's right upstairs. Yeah, yeah, come true. But so like how do you, how do you fight that?

I don't know. Ground penetrating radar doesn't work in that soil type. I think, I've heard many solutions that they've tried, but like, realistically, it is one of those like conundrums. They go straight down and then they go straight. So like, it's hard to spot. A lot of them are being hidden in like new constructions and construction sites. DeWana right now is going through an explosion of money.

coming into it. It's the new Hong Kong. You know? Right, because you were talking about a skyscrapers and stuff. Yeah, all the Americans that don't want to live in California anymore, they don't want to pay all that the same out of one. They're living in California stand. Yeah. And they're going into Tijuanaistan. Nice. Different kind of stand.

Yeah, it's cooler. Better tacos, better tacos. I'm sure there's better. There's got to be better tacos. Come on. De Huyana has the best tacos in the world. Fight me. It's the real thing. It's like saying you got better pasta in America than Italy. Like, go fuck yourself. The competition there is fierce. So like tacos are amazing there. But a lot of this construction, a lot of this money being poured into it, obviously there's, there's some, you know, people want to think of Tijuana as pacified in a lot of ways. I was there for the open warfare in Tijuana.

And you'll right now what you see is, right now what you'll see is like assassinations and killings amongst each other. Some of the sales points, people involved. But it's pretty gentrified, you know. but as you see it's still the biggest drug route in the world going into california yeah the other one is being texas these these tunnels though are they also equip equip with like air filtration shafts and things like that air conditioning ventilation and electrified some of them not all of them some of the older ones i got to i got to see a few directly like go in it yeah is it scary it's like yeah yeah but i was the young guy and i was the young guy and i was the young guy and i

I didn't have a choice. So... Don't ever say Ed's not about that life. Oh, I mean, he's lived it. I'm Mexican for his gump, as I tell people. I completely agree. But what you see with some of these tunnels and the way that they're built, there was rumors about them.

Like, early on when we started finding them, a lot of them were linked to L'CAPA Guzman. Chappalgooswan was like the... He figured it out. Remember his prison tunnel? I mean, holy shit. I had a motorcycle. The same people that built that prison tunnel were the same people that were building tunnels on the border.

Innovators. The quickest and safest way to build a tunnel is this shape. Like an arc with a tip by the top. You don't get cave-ins and you can't put a support structure inside of the tunnel. So when you see the cave system, the shaft they made for them to escape the prison, it was this shape. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what you see in a lot of the cave system.

lot of the tunnels we started to find. How long would it take? This might be a little bit too exact of a question. I know you're not the tunnel builder, but like if I'm building a 589 meter tunnel like that, how many years am I spending? A year or two? Maybe a year or two. That's not crazy. It's not crazy. And also like, okay, you build this tunnel, which is going to cost you what? And labor and equipment. Right. A few million maybe. And also now you have to trust the people that are building it to not fucking reveal the reveal what you're doing. So your crew is going to be very small. So it's a labor intensive thing.

And what we would hear is that they would build these. They would have a cell that is just specifically constructing. And you can only work in that cell if they have your whole life in their hands, basically. We know where your family is. If you want to run, we know their parents live and that type of shit. So they trust you in that way. trust you well we've we heard and there's

rumors and stories about there like oh they finish a tunnel cool we need to pay them they get to live or we don't need anybody revealing our secrets a lot of people got late Mexico had a giant silver mining industry for years and a lot of it just started dying out

and a lot of those people basically went over to work in this realm that tunnel the interesting thing about that tunnel is that tunnel was actually linked to the new generation cartel not the cina loa cartel the 589 meter one yeah so they're in that business now too that's what i've heard that that was linked to them and if that's true then that means we have an active presence of the new generation cartel right of the border and they've you know they've been using that tunnel from the way i see the construction and the cement and how new all of it is maybe like five years old, four years old, maybe.

But who knows? How much money you think you can make out of one of those tunnels? A lot. What can you put through? What can you bring back? Yeah. Anything. This goes back to what you were talking about, about the U.S.

selecting the janitor, the middle intendant, or the high-up guy. When 9-11 happened, and these are stories. that I heard before this is more before my time when 9-11 happened I was I was in medical school trying to figure that out and then when I was when I when I went to the academy and I heard stories from the older guys that were around for that they told me that the the people smugglers and everybody on the border were called by somebody high up and they were told to immediately report anything Arabic in their area anything that smelled of Arabic or Islamic.

And they'd be treated better. No, they would be grabbed. No, no, I'm not saying the people they reported, but I'm saying in exchange for saying, hey, you throw us a bone, call us this, take some stuff across the board. Maybe. I mean, it's, yeah.

Yeah. So if you're the United States and 9-11 just happened and you're worried about your border, it's interesting that they decided to call not only the government, Cartels. They called at least one of them. Remember the Sopranos episode where the FBI agents go to Tony? Yeah.

And they're like, hey, these Arabic guys is right after 9-11. Literally, these Arabic guys in your club, if you give us some information, you know, I'll be out a little bit. Same kind of deal. Something like that happened probably with the senior law cartel. Interesting. And if you look back at the history of the senior law cartel, like El Mayo Sambada. Amaya had a very interesting connection to somebody who was around for the Bay of Pig incident. Which guy was that?

He was dating his sister. I don't remember his name, but he was somebody involved in. He was, I think, a former Cuban police officer that was involved in some CIA type shit, probably. And realistically, Omao Samba learned his tradecraft in Los Angeles. So the senior law cartel is also an American cartel. In Los Angeles? What's the story there? He was in Los Angeles trying to figure shit out for himself, and he learned some tradecraft there as far as how to move things around and where money could be made.

How old was he? 30, maybe? Probably in the 30s. Okay. And you want to think about it. He was one of the most successful ones at it because he started young and he got arrested or abducted when he was pretty old. Yeah. Like he has a lot of health issues.

He was pretty much on his way out, I think, physically. So this probably caught him at the right time as far as him needing some medical attention. I posted an interview with Luis Chaparro posted this interview with a cartel guy. where he was speaking about El Mayo having built a truck trailer with a medical facility inside of it. So if he ever had any issues, he would just drive this moving hospital into a ranch somewhere and get an operation if you had to. Straight out of like a fucking, wow. Yeah. Chappo Guzman was operated in one of those.

Apparently almost fucking died. They were trying to kill the doctor that almost killed him, but he was the compadva of the El Mayo, so he couldn't do that. That's a movie script scene right there. It's a whole world story. Talkspace is the number one rated online therapy, bringing you professional support from licensed therapists and psychiatrists that you can access anytime, anywhere. The world may feel uncertain and out of control at times, but one thing you do have control over is taking care of your mental health.

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But Mexico has been a proving ground for a lot of these information and intelligence gathering. products from Israel that have now kind of been growing and growing exponentially into camera systems in different places, airports, people's movements being tracked. It's harder to hide now, specifically with the United States flying red. Yeah, we just came back from Europe, Dief, and when you go through security now, it's all just, you don't even hand your passport over. at customs it's just a robot facial recognition it's a robot yeah that's that's that's everywhere that's gonna that's gonna become the whole thing yeah going right to peter teal's hard drive

what do you think about peter teal like i posted about i don't like them i thought i thought you were posting a picture of you you looked a little different yeah so i saw that like somebody tagged me they're like man i need to figure that out but he is like did you see that guest list he had yes that's everybody at every level. It's the same thing. It's Bilderberg, which he's a part of. Same kind of thing.

And also the fact that a hacker just found all that information on his website is pretty great. God bless those people. But again, Banana Republic shit. Yes.

You see the, did you see the schedule? Yeah, like Builda cult was one of them. I mean, this was a full week schedule. There's like 45. Defe has it. There's like 45 things on there. There was a dating one.

Yeah. Build a cult. Getting ready for World War III. Bunker building, I think. Was it not like, yeah, here it is right here. Can we just zoom in, Dief so I can read a couple of them. I'm not going to read all 45. Beyond incompetence, SARS, COVID-2.

And I just want to put this out there, just like Americans are fascinated about cartel stuff and shit like that. Like, oh, look at these cartel guys being like, we're like, when we see this, shit like holy shit the illuminati is real yeah what psychedelic tea party new world we can and must settle mars case closed ESP is real how to steal an election that's a three-hour course apocalypse uh didn't he do like these uh antichrist uh oh yeah things he did it he did the he did a lecture quietly about the antichrist right in the shadows of the vatican right there and the in the like what are we doing yeah what are you seeing dave um i'm seeing a few weird ones here america's church westborough the westborough bapt yeah look megan phelps roper's talking what the

fuck baby factory the future of fertility in the case for natalism i mean the bright side of nicotine you might be able to get behind that one yeah i'll attend that one yeah yeah yeah yeah ice cream break a safe space. Oh, Peter Thiel called something a safe space. That's very not on brand for him. It's very weird. UFO summoning. See that right after breakfast?

That's another question I have. Like, again, I'm here to represent Mexico, I guess, in a lot of ways. How to pay for sex. And I'm talking to the United States and you guys are representing the United States. What the fuck is going on with all this alien shit? Dude, listen, I said this. And I'm sticking to it based on what I've seen. Because you know I care about this.

Like it's one of those interesting things ever. Yeah. But when they came out, I believe, on somewhere around February 20th. So think seven, eight days before we invaded Iran. And, you know, 20-some days into the Epstein-Tronch two crisis. And we're like, we've in the Pentagon to release the alien shit. I was just like, this is shiny object in your face. Everybody look here.

And if you've seen these UFO vows, there is nothing of note in there that we haven't seen before. doesn't look totally fit. My favorite thing is the star-shaped one, which is obviously a flare with a parachute behind it. But for me, it's like, we're all on, we're all eating bananas right now. Yes. Okay. Okay. You're a hundred percent right. I'm just, I'm asking. I'm willing to say that. I'm asking all of us in Mexico or like sitting on the fence looking over here and like, what the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you guys doing? No, it's, it is the fairest question ever. And it's like we're talking about in what's probably the last episode now where you know it's just another sign of

banana republic type shit and then you see you talk about like people who might say oh the illuminati's real like what i mean this is like kind of the gay illuminati but like you know it's a it's part of the illuminati it's something so so again questions when you see epstein yeah you know uh when you see this. Yep. When you see, uh, the owner of Microsoft saying that Epstein was like trying to pressure him to do some shit because he knew that he had a venereal disease and he gave it to us.

Like, um, who do we, who do we put in prison? How do, who do you go after? Is it, was it just Epstein in the middle of this, just doing all this shit?

No. Was he being utilized by somebody higher up? And again, we, On my end, I'm like, who do we turn to? Great question. Who do we turn to is my question. When I saw the election of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador in Mexico, I knew that he was a punishment by the people towards political class.

He was like, fuck all these guys. This guy is going to drain the swamp. You know? Heard that one before, brother. And then you see this. and yeah there's something that are changing you know some things are moving I don't know I don't see it here

but then you see this shit yeah I don't I don't Howard Lutnik standing next to Trump at the G7 a week before he's sitting courtsided the next game like nothing happened after he paid $5 million to the fucking Super PAC that supports the GOP Congress before he had to testify about the fact that he lied about everything about Epstein in the past and did it on camera last summer

on a podcast with a concocted long beautifully told dramatic story when in fact the whole time he's been his neighbor at fucking which is public information i'm not boxing board so mark that deep so i don't get in trouble you know it's like yeah it's it makes me sick and i i've said this now a few times in the last week on some different podcasts but i want to emphasize this don't give these people what they want by when they're out in public doing anything illegal getting physical with them or anything like that. Do not do that. That is exactly what they want so they can say, look at the fucking bread and circus masses who are just barbarians. But when people like that show their face in public, practice your First Amendment right with your hands to yourself,

far enough away from them to heckle them, and let them know. We will not forget. Like the, this is the thing, Ed, if Howard Lutnik, after he was caught lying, went and did his testimony that week and then resigned in shame and went home. Don't get me wrong and I have no fucking respect for him. The guys just come back, but I'd let it go. The hubris it takes to be a billionaire who not only does that but then diminishes it, pretends it's not really a big deal, and continues on in his job as Commerce Secretary after paying off the people to help stay in the job right there who have to listen to your testimony. Fuck you. Yeah. I gave you a prediction of who's going to be the next president of Mexico.

Yep. Do you have a prediction? of who's going to be the next president of the United States? I mean... So I have a... I think I have a 2032 prediction. Okay. I said this to Al-Alaman, who you know,

he used to be on the board here and works on me on the content side now and does an amazing job running the second and third channels. I said to him three years ago, and I said I have about a 2 to 5% confidence interval on this. But I said, probably not 2028, but 2032 I don't say this is a political statement I just say this is analytical and I think my confidence

level is closer to 10% now 2032 I could see candace owens running as a democrat yeah boomerang yeah I could see that but other than that I got nothing for you it's a wide open fucking fucking everybody sucks you know yeah no yeah I get it I'll get a lot of shit for that prediction because people think that's crazy and that's fair but yeah it's a fucking throw it on the board look at the pieces on the board and say it's getting interesting out here no Tucker so I've I've said this too I just don't think Tucker will do it but I've said if Tucker runs and if they don't kill him and those are two really big ifs yeah he'll be president in 2028 I just don't I do not think he'll do it because of the two things I just said but you know he the thing about Tucker regardless of what you

you think about like his political stances just on a broad 30,000 foot view in the air, when you look at that, he can run to the right of woke and to the left of the neocons. Yeah. That's an interesting sweet spot. He's writing a line that is a very interesting one. He just had Candace on. Yeah. And that's an, for me, like viewing that separation, like he was like something happened

with the Charlie Kirk thing. I think that's the beginning of this weird separation I saw within the right out here, which is the right, the right. I don't know. I think that was the fight. That was the like just looking at it analytically. That was the boom moment because then they just said, oh, here's what happened. We're good. Everyone goes to this fucking WWU funeral and that's the end of it.

But there was a real fracture happening before that generationally. Yeah. And I think Tucker has picked the podcast. populists there on that fracture and that fracture does have to do with the Middle East wars. That's why like I think we're in for another punishment like another vote to punish. And I think like and also can we agree that there's no way that anybody can end up in the presidency now if not being a celebrity somehow. I think that that's just no more. I don't think we're going to see another Obama showing up like this unknown politician just being groomed and like put forth.

I think there has to be somebody that's been cultivating themselves. So you could be in the running. Get the fuck out. I will. So I don't like saying never on things. I will never ever run for public office. It's exactly what you should. Yeah, no.

Not interested. Not interested. It's interesting. For me, it's like looking around the room, the influence that you have, that people that speak like you have and the ability for you to make somebody say like, hey, you know what, this guy's jiving with me on a daily basis when I listen to him. So let me just vote for this person. I think that's what I'm looking at now is like, where are we going to pull these new candidates from?

It can't be traditional people who are linked to all the shit in the past because there's a lot of sin in the past now. A lot of people who are involved with other countries and all this other shit. So who are the outsiders in this political class? Yeah. You know what? Tell me what you think of this. But, you know, we've seen Mom Donnie win on like a people's campaign in New York. And he's got some fucking crazy politics that I think is nuts.

He's nuts. But if you just look at like the strategy of him as like a brand, obviously he did a brilliant job. Yep. And he's turned himself into kind of a celebrity from the politician's side. I do still think that's possible for like someone who is not, say, an influencer or a commentator or a celebrity like from Hollywood or. something like that who is coming from the political side but makes them into that modern day Obama celebrity. I could see that happening. I just, I agree with you, the chips are more stacked against that side now for sure. Like Mark Cuban has a better shot at like, I don't know if that's a

good example, but you get my point. Like has a better shot at like creating a political brand tomorrow and self-funding the beginning of it at least than, you know, some politician that needs to go ask for grassroots donations. Do you think that any sort of support of Israel is going to be politically bad? It's a political death, no. And that, which means that you just cut out almost every single politician in the United States, I think. Not all of them, because some of them are, it's getting so unpopular that some are actually able to do something. Now people right away say, well, Thomas Massey just got voted out. Here's the thing about Thomas Massey's election. It was a primary just on the right side it was a closed primary so you have to be a registered republican the

lowest turnout votes in america regardless of the attention on them or not are always primary votes in congress and stuff like that that's not like the presidential race and the people who vote in those elections statistically the most are the very old people and those are the people who are watching like the mary mattelson ads on fox news so ed gal rain was able to win and like you could probably see that coming. But if you think that's going to be like a long-term trend in main elections, I think you're nuts. I think that I think that the Epstein issue and right now, the actions of the current Israeli government are two of the most bipartisan kumbaya positions in the history of modern history, at least in this country. Yeah. You know? And it's not to,

by the way, it's not to say like, I need to therefore treat Israel. is my number one enemy or something like that. No, but we need to unwind the influence. We need to be our own country. We need to stop listening to them to go fight their wars and do shit like that. And we need to have things like APAC register under FARA and not give foreign aid to have their weapons so they can bomb other people. That's their business if they're going to do that and I'll disagree with it. Okay. Another question is me being a representative of Mexico right now. Let's say that happens. That influence goes away. And, you know, You know, you don't have that influence anymore.

You don't get drawn into any foreign wars that aren't your own. You don't get sent, you don't have to send your kids out there anymore. As a country, now what? You know, no wars. Like, you have, you have the decision making here. No more foreign wars. What would you do as an American country now? Like, let's see.

Like, what are we going to focus on now? So I think there's two answers there. Number one is I'm not a pure isolationist and here's what I mean by that. I think war is hell. I think it is a the last scenario you ever want to go to. It is hell on earth. But I recognize that the world is a really fucked up complicated place and there is a time in place where something like that may be necessary.

I think that the actions that we've gotten into though in recent history have not been at that bar. Yeah. Okay. The second thing is, and this is a really dark part. part of human nature, but there's moments in the studio that sometimes it won't be a moment that like people out there pick up on as much, but like I'm in here with people and it'll like really like when it's happening, I'm like, whoa, chills. Like, holy shit, wait, what the fuck was that?

And one of the biggest ones that ever happened for me was the second time I talked with Andy Bustamante who's definitely still in the CIA back in summer 20202 for episode 107. We got drunk on whiskey that episode and we're just going back and forth. for three and a half hours and maybe like an hour 45 hour 50 minutes in he does this thing where he like we're going back and forth on some and he goes we need an enemy that we can all coalesce around yeah and this is a very politically divisive like crazy time this is when we're coming out kind of of like the pandemic stuff and people are all pissed each other here he's like we need an enemy that we can all agree on yeah and there is something really

really dark in human nature in large groups and in these stories that we called countries around the world where unfortunately that's always true. And the other unfortunate part is that nine times out of ten where we decide to pick one, it's a totally unnecessary one. And so I don't really know what to do with that because that is our nature, but that's not what I want. I don't want to look at other people as like, I want to find why you're an enemy. That's the most fucked up thing ever.

I mean, look at the job I do. I make friends with people around the world. Yeah. That's why I wouldn't be a good leader, by the way. You know, that's just not my, it's not my role because those guys have to make some decisions sometimes where you have to look for the bad before you look for the good in people. Yeah. And I don't like that. On my end, I was programmed when I was young to look for enemies in that way and to view shit with suspicion and to view other people as threats.

Was that program from in your house? That was programming from my training. Okay. Right. And also trauma and all the bunch of shit that went out in my head. When I left Mexico and came up here, you know what the first thing they shocked me was? What's that? No fences in front of the houses. Ever woken up and immediately needed a nicotine pouch or a cup of coffee just to feel like a normal human? It's funny how we'll do everything in our power to stay healthy.

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about religion I grew up in a weird Catholic death cult and shit so but they're pretty nice and they shared their bread with me like these people didn't really know me I was there for like some advisory shit I was doing with them. And they were pretty nice. And I was like, there's no suspicion here. There's like these people are letting me in their houses. Then I went around the country. And I think I've seen most of the United States except Alaska and Hawaii.

I think I'm missing. May Puerto Rico. Fifth, first state. And then Cuba later. Don't worry about it. Then Mexico. Then Venezuela. Then Greenland.

Maybe Canada. But what I realize is, is the United States is very segmented. You go to Kentucky, and that's one thing, which I live there for a bit. You go to Texas is another. California is another. And they're all, they're all, like, think that they, you know. And it's the same thing that I found in Mexico.

Mexico is three Mexicos. It's northern Mexico, where all the conservatives are. Central Mexico, we're all, that's our California. And then southern Mexico, which is completely forgotten. That's our south, I guess. you you I encountered but what I did encounter here in the U.S.

was like a lot of kindness openness, curiosity and safety in a lot of places I know well except Baltimore I don't like Baltimore but other than that but other than that

you know walking down the street here with you and I looked around a lot I don't know if you noticed that it's not because I'm suspicious about this place it's because I'm traumatized I come from a country where there's a lot of shit that happened to me,

and I have that trauma and I carry it with me. This country has trauma itself. And I don't think the U.S. and people from this country don't realize that they have that trauma. They have a trauma of being on top, right? Complacency. Yeah. We're at the top. Well, we're the cultural center.

We are the winners. We have the World Series that only we play in. There's a lot of that going on. And if I could advise anything of any American out there listening to this, travel. Ed, I want to go to Mexico, but I think it's unsafe. Baltimore is unsafe. You know, I'll take you to my hometown in Tijuana. It'll be safe as shit there.

It's not because I'm going to be with you. It's just because you're not going to be selling drugs in a street corner and you're not going to be wearing a cartel regalia on you. And we can go about and eat some of the best tacos in the world. You won't want to leave a lot of them. Americans don't leave. That's why they're down there. So whatever you were sold about in Mexico is that being this scary-ass fucking place. Well, you have to tell that to all the Americans are living down there and have their dreams down there. So that's one thing I would ask them.

Travel. Go see it for yourself. Go see it for yourself. I'm afraid. I'm like, all these cartels are going to get me. Nobody wants you. They don't want you. They don't want you. They don't want you. Probably don't bring your truck if you're going to some of these spicy places because they're going to steal it. But other than that, you know, just just go go travel, talk to people. Yes. Just like I did when I came up here, I don't think everybody up here is a Ku Klow's clan member or like, or that everybody, there's going to be school shootings everywhere here. If you look at it from the outside, that's what you would think. I actually did meet me a clan member, California out of all places, beside the point, Grand Dragon in Fallbrook, California. They have like, anyways. Now you're like an

enemy too, right? Yeah, yeah. They look at me. consider it like, I'm like, he can't pass. You can't pass. At least you speak our language correctly, you know. If, if the, I guess what I've seen is there's a trauma in, as you say, every generation we get a new enemy. Yes.

I had a surreal moment at one point when I was brought in to advise for a military program where they were training people to go into a foreign country. countries, right? And they were part of the hunter program that the Marine Court used to have. And a lot of their training was based around Islamic terrorism, which is not in fashion anymore. Not really, right? And they brought me in because they wanted to see a perspective of what the future enemy may bring. And I was like, oh, that's cool. I know a little bit about, you know, cartels that you like that. Is that your future enemy? It dawned on me, though, when I was a

given the introduction, this is Ed Calderon, and he comes from Mexico. He did 12 years of counter narcotics work down there. This is a subject matter expert on this and this and this. And he's a pretty good representation of our next enemy. And he said, as the guy was a Muslim, he has a Muslim background, he says, you're, you guys are it now. Yeah, as they slapped me on the back. Wow. And when you hear a lot of the rhetoric that was politically spouted during these last few

administrations. And I'm not just saying out of the right. The Obama deported a shit ton of people. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is this is in right or left thing. This is the United States thing where we're sold the enemy. Immigration is the enemy. They're here to steal our jobs. What jobs are we stealing? The United States has another drug problem, which is illegal immigration, cheap labor. You're addicted to it. It's there's a reason why immigration is, there's illegal immigration is kept illegal. It's because people at certain places in the government and certain places that pay for some of these political figures

and donate to some of these political parties do not want to have cheap labor banned or taken away. They don't want to regulate that shit because they've been living off it for years. COVID epidemic hit. There was no produce. shortages in the aisles. So are we saying that illegal immigration was his actual workers back then? There's a lot of people in Mexico that don't work. There's a lot of people up here that don't.

Very real. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, they've talked about that before and it gets like stamped on things like a little bit too stereotypically sometimes, but there is something in like whether it's Mexicans or other communities that are coming here illegally, legally whatever, like, where there's some jobs that societally we don't want to do, and they will, and that there's something real about that. History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. Yes. I've heard the same stories from Italian Americans

and the way they came up. I've heard the same stories from Irish Americans. I've heard different stories from people from across the world that come to this country and they're trying to figure things out. I'm, I'm, I've just got here, you know. I did my due diligence and I did everything through my legal channels that I had to go through. And my daughter's here.

She's an American. She's a third generation American now. In my mind, I like to think that there is something to the whole aspect of this experiment that was a bunch of weirdos throwing tea into the ocean and being the Taliban of that era. The Taliban of that era. Oh, fuck yeah. You're a revolutionary fuckers. You're throwing tea, fucking scalping fuckers in the hills, learning from the natives how to be scouts doing this warfare.

Dude, I watched The Patriot. That was probably a documentary, right? I don't know. There was something going on there. One of my favorite movies ever. The Bill of Rights, the Constitution, reading it as somebody that's not from here is, it does something to me at least.

Really? I didn't have that when I'm from. It's like, hey, I can buy a gun, keep it in my house, and defend my property and my family and not have to depend on a corrupt institution that might be or not might be working with the government or the cartels, which may be the same thing. And I can, you know, they have that. And also I can start a company. You know, I came here with nothing. I have 12 employees now. I can't fulfill a dream like that anywhere else in the world.

This is still here. This is still, it's still here. If you hungry, if you want to work, if you want to put in the effort, there's opportunity here. That's the thing. It's like as bad as some things are, and I'm not minimizing it. We talk about it a lot here. There's some shit that is rotten in the core. Yes.

The fact that we still have something that like people from around the world want to be a part of tells me that the rebuild could be amazing because the baseline is already very much still there and we cannot lose that. Yeah. Like, yeah, what is still there is there's still an experiment or what is left of an experiment that started long ago. That's right. When a bunch of weirdos showed up to this place and said, like, hey, we just want to figure our own shit out.

We don't want to be bothered by a fucking monarch somewhere across the ocean. What was it? Beware of foreign influence? That's what Washington said. We don't want to be fucking bothered with a foreign influence. We want to govern ourselves. We want to figure out how to have our civil liberties. We want to figure out how to offend ourselves.

Well-regulated militia. Bro, AR-15s are for people. As one of the ISIS said, I don't know if the Q or T, but one of them said that. That's a pretty, it is. I think there's no other place in the world where you and me can have a conversation as openly as this.

And even within this, we're being very careful about a few things. That should be a red flag and an alarm for people out there. That some of us are not as able to be speaking freely as we could or would 20 years ago, 30 years ago. And, you know, what are we arguing about? What are we fighting for? What are we, what are most of my veteran friends depressed about is that they were sold the fact that they were. fighting for something that turned out to be what we're living through now. Sure. Yeah, I will say this, Ed, you know, there's been some catastrophic errors within the current

administration. And I think politically we've been in a really bad place on both sides of the aisle for a long time now. I do always try to find like, oh, there's one bright spot or something like that. I was doing that with Biden when he was in office and one bright spot with Trump. to this point that is at least better off the baseline is that I can tell you being, haven't been in this job for six and a half years, we're more able to talk about things now. Yes.

Than we were three years ago. Yes. It was scary on some things. I could tell you that my experience on social media and being banned and taken off all these platforms, that's completely changed as well. So I will have to say that. And again, we're living through an event that is changing things. in my home country and whatever the motivations are for this,

that's something that's happening, you know, that people have lived with and thought was never going to change and in some way shape or form is changing. I think for me, the worry is this. At some point, as you say, we're going to pick the wrong enemy. And if you decide as a country that is a good idea to invade Mexico you're going to awaken something you're going to awaken something that you have I don't think I don't think as a country we're ready for a war on our borders a mass

migration that is going to dwarf anything that you saw in Syria and Europe who and a cultural moment as a country when a lot of the citizens in this country who have blood who have family who self-identify themselves as Mexican in a way, way, shape, or form, who are part of our police forces, our vast majority of our military services, service members are, a lot of them are Mexican or Mexican descent. Border Patrol, which is interesting enough. Like, what's gonna happen there?

Like, who, who, people talk about all these possible civil war or civil strife events that might happen in the future. I watched that movie. That was a pretty cool movie, but I don't see it. I don't see it that's going to play out that way. I think if we make the mistake of making an enemy out of this neighbor that we have on the southern border, which I'm from there, and I know them well, I know them well because I want them and I mean I get paid right now to teach people up here how to fight in wars because they realized that I had a pretty good university. I had the best university in the past 20 years in the world.

Mexico was that. And I can tell you by being there, learning from these people, being one of them, fighting in these places, they're going to bring the fight to you. Yeah. So all of this to say, ground invasion or interference of that level, by the United States and Mexico is not the best course of action and should be avoided at all cost. Completely agree.

Also, it gives me a little bit of hope. I haven't, whether it be on camera or with people I talk with off camera, I haven't talked to one special forces guy or one guy like from the bureaucracy or something like that or from the political world who's like gung-ho on doing something like that. It's like, I've talked to people who are like, yeah, declaring the cartels terrorist organization gives us some interesting freedoms to be able to do stuff. But like the beef is not like you don't think about Claudia Scheinbaum the way you think about

other world leaders that you don't like. It's like kind of like a neutral thing in America. And there's a lot of Americans who don't even know who she is. Yeah. You know, I I do take a more positive outlook on that as much problems as we seem to have with certain things like cartels and us on this side having problems with the border and consuming drugs and human trafficking and all these things, which is on us. It's like those are issues that can be worked out. I truly believe this in other ways. And I couldn't agree more.

I think an invasion of Mexico would be, forget everything you even just laid out, the economic disaster of that immediately from a trade perspective. Are you fucking kidding me? People don't even realize how connected we are. And it's suicidal to say that and push. that narrative out there. And it is, there's a purpose behind it. The division, you know, divide and conquer

and all this. All I'm saying is this, a lot of the rhetoric that is being spouted out there on both sides from Mexico and from the United States, I mean, I get called all sorts of shit from both sides. So like, I'm like, fuck. I mean you're doing something right. Probably. Yeah. Right.

So, mind you, I'm not a supporter of the cartels. I don't want any of I don't want any of that to continue on. It's horrible. It is it is a monstrous organizations out there but also some government organizations are monstrous. Absolutely. So like first off separate the government from the people. That's one thing. Another another aspect of this is our yes we're neighbors we're dependent on each other if I can actually tied to the hip on each other and the world is

becoming a little bit more and friendly by the day we're going to need each other more and more as we go i think we're heading away from globalism and we're heading into this continental euro union of some sort that we're going to try and probably experiment with um that means that in a lot of a lot of ways shapes and forms like we're we're dependent on each other yes and as a people and as a society we have to stop dehumanizing the other side. Mexico does that a lot with Americans because they, you know, the one of the Mexico, you know, far from God, but close to the United States is something that gets said a lot down there.

And now with all the stuff that's come out and all the corruption, all the pedophilia, all this other things, that's another, that's like, all of you are this, you know, just like, Like all Mexicans are cartel and corrupt. That's right. So that has to stop. It's getting hard out here, though, with everything. You fall into traps.

You see it on social media, especially all the time, where whatever the given situation is, there's always just a mass labeling of everything. And, you know, it's not to be like fucking woke and be like, we just have to love every single person. I'm saying, but like... Not love, but like, hey, travel, go there. That's...

And what you just said is the most important thing. Separate people from their governments and judge people on an individual basis as well. And that's... I do my best to do that. And your advice about traveling and talking with people, that is the greatest place to start. The best investment in the world to travel. Like, if you can, you know, just go.

If you're curious about some place, go. Maybe not in some parts of police go. But like other parts, you know, other parts, you can go. man, I can recommend some spots. I had one of the most mind-blowing. I do want to get down to Mexico. Yeah. I still haven't done that.

I do. Let's go. Whenever you want. Let me know where you want to go. Mexico City, Monterey. Go to Haleezco. They're fine. Di Huala for the tacos. For the tacos. One of my my mimele experiences is going to Europe. I've never been there. Last year, I went to Switzerland. How was that?

mind blown right like for people need to get my perspective you know tequila you know where you can't flush the toilet paper in the toilet because it'll get stuck because of the towing is all bad there so you have to throw in the basket next to the toilet uh there's a giant river of sewer water going right through the city again it's my city i love it but i can say that there's some parts of it that we get better uh infrastructure is all over the fucking place if you get shot you go to the private hospital don't go to the public hospital you don't want to go there private hospital yeah you have to pay for a private hospital. If you, it's, it's bad.

Some of the, it's just bad. It's Mexico. But then you go to Switzerland. And the quality of everything there, the look they gave me when I walked into a convenience store and asked them where the energy drinks were, they were like, ew. Why would you put that poison in your body?

Yeah, like grab some of this fucking organic yogurt that we have like 50 options of, right? I'm not saying that we should all be Europe or be Switzerland because, you know, they probably hit some Nazi gold in those sales or something. We have to be honest about that. But you know what was funny to me is that I spoke Spanish mostly out there. And there's a lot of Spanish speakers there. Or a lot of Europeans that speak Spanish because they have three or four languages.

So I would speak English and I would speak English and they would be American. No, Mexican. Oh, Mexican. and they would shit talk about Americans for like I saw it. But my daughter's American. Oh, I'm sorry. But I'm sorry about like the anti-Americanism. We've done that to ourselves in some ways.

For me it was like wild to hear. So like I just put that Mexican flag patch on my back and I was treated differently. But as soon as they would come to conversation, like Mexico, yeah. You have that you have that this, the vicino, which is neighbor. Yeah, what neighbor? I got that a lot. It's an interesting perspective,

how bad the reputation of this country is globally right now. And how can you repair that? How can you repair that? You have to, it has to be long-term actions on things, you know, not just starting a war that affects a bunch of other places with, to reach of ballistic missiles versus us. You know, it has to be, you know, it's fine to negotiate and certainly make sure there's fairness and systems that maybe got out of whack, but like there's a, there's a way to do it.

And there's a diplomatic way to do it. And then on the contrary, it's also like going back to Biden's administration and it's also like have people in there where clearly they actually have some decision-making ability and they're not just dead for four years. You know what I mean? Like we've had a full gamut. of just bad optics. Yeah.

In leadership. Yeah. Obama wasn't a good president. No, he wasn't. Biden wasn't a good president. No. Trump, I'm waiting. He's not a good president right now.

So, you know, I am, you know, again, like a parent, and then like I have a stake in this now. And, again, the whole aspect of this now evolving. into both the vice president and the president openly talking about ground intervention. And whatever that means, you know, people should be paying very close attention to it. And again, the democratization of warfare is in full swing. The democratization of warfare. Yeah. I could make a Shaheed drone in my backyard that could be flown

into a substation somewhere in California and people are going to be very upset. That's right. And when the crew that shows up to fix it gets shot with another one, they're going to be very upset. That's right. And if you do that 20 times over, no Golden Dome is going to do anything. Yeah. And I'm not saying that Mexico was capable of doing that, but it could put that together pretty quickly, just like Ukrainians did. Yeah.

because they already have people that know how to do that because guess who they're getting their drone technology and experience from the Ukrainians right that's why you're seeing a lot of this shit show up in Mexico it's not an easy fight it's not going to be an easy fight it's not the fights of the past where the u.s would show up with superior dominance and just like level a place and this is this is the new world you also have to be willing to take it's fucked up to say this but you have to be willing to take 15 to 20% wins where you used to try to go for 100% wins. Yeah.

Because also there's never been such thing as 100% win to be clear, but that's what people would go for. And that's what this country was built on going for forever. And it's like an improvement is much better than no movement at all. And it's not necessarily a loss. That mentality, you know, that requires some serious psychological shifts though. Yeah. In leadership.

I mean, for me, a military victory for the United States. States is to continue its experiment. That would be the biggest military victory that United States could have. And right now, it's not doing that. Yeah. Yeah, I just did three podcasts with Richard Bell, Jared Frederick, and the great H.W. Brands is one of the greatest American historians to ever live, all surrounding, you know, the America's 250th.

And, you know, going through the history and where this experiment stands. and all that, and they all have different perspectives, which is really cool. But it just makes you appreciate, you know, obviously no men of history are perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and the guys who founded this country are no different. There's mistakes they made and things I wish they did differently. But, you know, you look at the foresight they had in those initial documents, whether you start with the Declaration of Independence itself or look at the Constitution and some of the things they were able to, again, foresee.

in human nature and things that could go wrong. And then you look at some of the places where we have strayed away from that. You know, this is a real moment to have a look in the mirror and say, we've made it this far, but damn, we are only 250 years old. We are a young fucking country. We are still an experiment and we better figure some of this shit out now.

I'll give you one of the biggest breakthroughs I had during my therapy that tracks with this specific thing. For the longest time, I felt pretty horrible. about it all the shit that I had to do I was stuck in it you know I felt guilty about it grew up Catholic I went through some horrible shit I did some horrible shit I went through alcoholism I was pretty horrible to the people around me around that time as well somehow some way during that whole process this beautiful girl showed up you know my kid and

She is loved. She's, like, well-liked. She's class clown. She's creative. You know, she's like, she's like, Snow White. When she goes out of the house, all these birds form up because she keeps peeding in bird seeds. So all these fucking birds show up when she goes out. There's no way in hell that that could have happened without all the bullshit. All that's part of it. So all the statue burnings and tearing down statues, trying to change history, trying to figure out like, hey, we're not, we don't like this anymore. Let's like can get rid of this shit. Like, I'd say if I could, if I could like figure something out, it would be like, hey, let's all face the fact that we did a lot of horrible shit as a country. We did some fucking, in golf of Tonkin and incident.

Not great. All this shit we did, you know, but, you know, but let's, what comes next? You can't change the past, but you can move forward and learn from what you did. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's why I say the United States has a traumatized fucking guttry. We're all suffering from trauma with where things are going.

The dollar is still there. How long is that going to is that going to be there? I don't know. People are talking about fucking cryptocurrencies and all this. What to put your money in? Gold. There's a lot of it coming out from Venezuela now. So maybe that's going to be.

That's one of the issues why the. United States was so interested in that to figure out how to stabilize itself with gold um i get scared of these cbdc's ideas yeah like oh yeah let's give the fed and the fucking government control of digital currency and put in you know the road to hell with a social credit system like fuck that yeah well that's i think that that that specific thing you said is that's is one afraid of mexico's going that route they are i mean i mean biometrics oh the biometrics you're talking like if you don't do this you can't get access to that and all that. That's horrible.

Up here. I mean, again, you want to see the positives that I see up here. That's still far from that, I think, maybe. I mean, I could still get things and not have to worry about having to put my face and and shit on stuff. I could go to the grocery store and just paying cash. That might be going away. It's scary.

It is scary. It is a scary time. And we've lived through multiple ones in a lifetime. aliens are real. Maybe. I definitely think there are aliens out there, to be clear. I just think that's shit they're telling us right now's bullshit. I saw some weird shit.

You saw some weird shit. Where? Yeah. In Mexico. Where in Mexico? The Tijuana. What'd you say? Let's tell this story.

That's a fucking weird story. I don't care. It's fucking interesting. Prefacing all this. This time I was a raging alcohol. like working double shifts, no breaks. I didn't go on vacation for about three years because that was essential. We used to dress in civilian clothing and just like, you know, pretend to be drunks or deportees

and hang out around sales points where people were selling drugs and then try to grab them, you know, because they're pretty quick. In one of these cases, we got out of the car and we chased. Like four guys. They all spread out. One of my friends ran after one dude and I just ran after him. Weird dude. Like a tall, tall dude, leather jacket.

Have you ever been on one of those, like at the airport where you walk on some of those belts? Yes, where it goes faster. And it does some weird shit to your mind where like people seem to be moving. I had one of those feelings with that. this guy he was like moving quicker than he should and then he went up into this guy what like just like superman his lebed headed up into this guy and i've seen a bunch of videos of these fucking flying people thing going on like with all this fucking revelation shit like like this these almost like figures of people in this guy ever seen all this stuff in the they might be fake they might be weird um

When I experienced that, I was in a fucking weird fucking mental place. So I realistically, to this day, I don't know if I was like fucking hallucinating or if it was like a fucking bad trip or something like that. The only thing that proves that this happened was that I turned around and my friend was looking up as well. Oh, shit. You ever talked to him about it after? We couldn't say anything about it because if we got popped for anything psychological, we would get our guns taken away. Now, I couldn't have told that. story in public in the past. But now that we are where we are, and there's like shit floating

in the sky and we don't know what the fuck's going on. That's all flying person. I saw somebody go straight up into the sky once. And again, I don't know if it was real or not. I don't know if it was maybe a wire. There's a Batman fucking helicopter pulled them up into this guy. Or maybe I wasn't seeing something right. I've doubted myself for years around that, but recently with seeing all these fucking shit going on. I kind of went back to that event. I don't know. I am too of the opinion that there is something going on.

It's pretty suspicious that it's being fucking being used and revealed right now with all the noise going on in the background. That is the noise. Yeah. I don't know. Also, it makes me think that it's a pretty good sci-op. It's a great sci-op. How do you scare the Chinese?

Hey, we have a UFO somewhere. What? We have a UFO somewhere that we... Anti-gravity. Something. Maybe it's real. Some of those things display more drone-like capability. It's probably some U.S. government shit is going on out there.

Maybe they got from something extraterrestrial. I could see that. It's just like what they're giving us publicly. Like, hey, look at this. That's where I know they're drawing us off the trail. There's a lot of noise. And again, a lot of noise. You know what was our version of that?

In Mexico? Yeah. Yeah, there was a giant devaluation of the peso and there was some shit going on, like the fucking economy was in the toilet. And then we had the Chupacabras. The Chupa Cobra? Yeah, it's like goat sucker. Like it was supposedly a green alien that was sucking goats dry in the hills and there was a whole fear campaign around it. There was toys around it and shit like that.

El Chupa Cabras. Well, speaking of Cobra, I can't wait to see Tupa Cobra's little mini documentary of the story you just told. That's going to hit hard on Twitter. but shit a goat-sucking alien yeah that's that's what they came up with down there for a while and it went away after the political shit went down yeah right so that makes me think about the time yeah that makes me think about some some of these things being sciops or not but yeah there's definitely some weird shit in the world yeah i i like talking with the physicists about it the people that look at it based on whatever evidence scientifically they can find like my friend dr david kipping who's over a

Columbia does an amazing job. I had him in for episode 358 and he, you know, he's looked at exoplanes this whole life, which is basically, I'm oversimplifying this, but finding planets that are extremely far away and looking for intelligent life on them. And when you consider just the tip of the iceberg of what we know about the known galaxy and then consider that that is, I don't have a mathematical number for you, but nowhere near what the size of it actually is, of course out there. And that's just how I put it as a layman. And of course there's intelligent life. Of course there's something else going on.

You know, all the things that had to go right here from an environmental, probabilistic evolutionary standpoint for us to be able to exist as we do on this planet or make it a very small chance. But when you then look at how big everything else is, you know that had to happen in some form somewhere else. The question then becomes if they've been here, which I'm open to, or whether or not there's some form of simulation with all of it, which unfortunately I'm really open to. you know we're just someone someone else's video game or something like i could see that's too easy it would be that's too that's what i hope is the case it's it's too easy of an explanation but like

i personally believe that had to be a creator that built all this because it's just fucking amazing but you know i just try to separate i don't know i had some moments in here with certain guess where i was like wait a minute that's bullshit where you just try to separate like okay who's coming out and saying things and what are they saying and when are they saying them and why does that feel really weird and why is my gut doing a five alarm fire? So let's stay away from that and then let's talk to people, like I said,

like the physicists who are like, all right, they're looking at evidence here. Yep. You know, zeros and ones, yeses and knows, maybe whatever. And I don't know, that's more fun for me to talk with those guys. Yeah.

But the personal experiences are always... I mean, mine's weird. And whenever I talk about it, which I don't regularly talk about it, I think it's the first time I spoke about it. publicly. Nice. I always preface it with like, hey, my, I've had injuries.

But fucking probably kind of drunk, maybe, because I was drinking before that night. Your buddy looking up, though, is interesting. It gives me chills because when you see something like that, you're like, nah, I didn't see that. And it's a good way for your brain to like, hey, calm down. Yeah. Probably didn't see that. When you turn around and your friends look up at this guy, the same thing.

And he's like, oh, shit. So again, the only reason I brought it up is because we see these things, like these people up there, like floating around. And again, they might be a whole sigh up. I don't know. Might be. Might be. It might be a whole sigh up. And maybe we're alone in the universe.

We're special. God just made us. Was that a fake picture of Trump the other day? I did zero homework on this. It was a fake. Yeah, with the two blonde people. That's not real, right? They had them like in the, on the, in the Rose Garden talking with two fucking Nordics.

Oh, yeah. I'm like, I, I'm not high enough for this. The Northics, the insectoids, the grays. There's some more, the ethereal ones apparently are like clouds. There's a lot of weed. Yeah, my friend Max, who I see in my gym every day, is always asking me, come on, man, do you think this is real? And I'm like, Max, I feel like I'm telling him Santa Claus isn't real with some of this. But, like, at the same time, this other shit, you're like, you know they wouldn't tell us about this if they knew.

I mean, maybe. Maybe men in black is based on truth. Yeah. That whole uncanny valley thing we have going on. Like, hey, you're not really human. I don't know. Dude, I don't, I don't know. That's another, that's another thing.

Like, this, this, there's a lot of noise around that everywhere. They, they brought in some of those mummies into Congress in Mexico. Oh, yeah. I just had a guy on about that. They looked like these. The Nazca mummies. Yeah. But the ones that, the specific ones they brought in were like the worst version of those.

Like they looked like, uh, like pinatas. Yeah, Will Brown did an amazing job. He's been on that case, like in person at the, at the press conferences and stuff for years and, you know, debunk the entire thing. Yeah. So I just, on my end, I'm like, there's a shit ton of noise. And whenever there is that much in noise, Mexico chupacabras, hear the classification of like a banana republic shit. Welcome to the donkey show. Welcome to the donkey show.

But you see a lot of that. You're like, okay, so what are they trying to disruptus? Get that UFO? What's behind that UFO? I don't know. We went from Epstein to announcing aliens, to Iran, to missing scientists, to more aliens, to more Iran problems, to try to bury Epstein

but what are they burying that with? Like, it never ends. Yeah. It never ends. It never ends. Well, it will in a few years and somebody else is going to get elected and let's see what else.

God help us all. But by the way, what was this? You put this, you just slid this right in here before we got on camera. We were hanging out all morning and then literally, right before we press roll on the first episode, you put up the La Santa Muerte and some Mexican occult-looking stuff.

What's going on here? It's a death card. It's a death card. You're trying to make sure I'm dead? No. Okay. You know, one of the cultural differences between the U.S. and Mexico are? Mexican culture before the Spanish came was cyclical.

Cyclical. Yeah. It wasn't about good versus evil or the devil triumphing against God. There's no fight against good versus evil. It's a cycle. People get really good. Everything gets really amazing. people get complacence, the devil shows up, things get fucked up, we get destroyed, strong people

show up, then we go back. So we have a very strong relationship to death. We don't want to be immortal, we're not obsessed with Juth, not all of us, but most of us aren't. There's a whole preparation for death. This isn't about viewing it as a saint or thinking there's a fucking skeleton in the sky, fucking doing enemy favors. This is about having a whole thing. This is about having death present in your life. It's a philosophy. It actually comes from Catholicism in Mexico, even though it turned into something else later. The way I learned about it was through my mother. She would say that death was an essential part of the miracle of the crucifixion. There is no ascension from the underworld for Jesus on the third day without death. So you have to keep it

present. We have this tendency to view ourselves as special individuals and we don't realize that all of us have to die that things have to change that things have to go away that sacrifices need to be made and now this country has an obsession with youth um yeah uh Epstein hasn't an old match yet don't don't worry about I was thinking but realistically well when you see that when you see that at an exaggerated level yeah that's what you get you know for me this is just a reminder that we're here for a while, that we're here for, that we're here for a, for a short while, that we don't have a lot of, that we don't really have a lot of time to, uh, we don't really have a lot of time to stay here.

And that if you're not doing work or working towards leaving a better place than we got, you're not really doing a lot. That's what that means to me. So I'm always thinking about the message. I'm all thinking about the end because I need to get things settled for what comes next. You were telling me earlier and I remember we had a nice talk last time you were here where, you know, we went through a lot of your personal story and a lot of the hardships you went through and things like that and your brother dying when you were 13. But you and I were talking off camera today when we were eating lunch about a moment you had with your mom short of after your brother died, where you walked up to the house

and your mom was on the porch and smiled, and then the smile went away because for a minute she had thought you were your brother. Yep. And you felt like that you wanted to have that feeling, you wanted your mom to have that feeling about you. And correct me if I'm wrong here, but you were saying that put you on like a,

I forget the phrase you used, but something like. That was my lightning strike. Yeah. Like all of us have. one of those i think of well at least the cool ones that i've met over the years have had have a moment like that but it gave you the way you were explaining it almost felt like you were saying it gave you a kind of death wish so that she could have that feeling about you um my middle brother eric was amazing it was a promise one you know his uh funeral was like a concert

shit ton of people showed up I ran away a little bit after that whole event because my mom went kind of psychiatric and at one point I decided to go back home and as I made my way into the streetlight in front of my house she looked at me with excitement and I thought she's excited that I came back

and then disappointment and I realized that she thought it was an apparition of my brother you know that led me into like, oh, let me figure out how to die in the most epic way possible. They finally pay attention to me, I guess, was my twisted lightning strike that I got that moment. And I went, I ended up in such a place and such experiences that I'm not here talking to you.

You know, it put me on a path. for me, and again, part of the meaning behind that and the cyclical nature of that, I wanted to die epically somewhere or die somewhere. I didn't have the balls to do it myself or I didn't see that as powerful enough. So I chose to go into a weird career path that would put me on a pretty clear way of doing that. the bullets missed you know i was never the guy a few times i was pretty close many you wanted to be yeah i was looking for it for years um i had this whole concept of dying at 33 you know before 33 i'm gonna you know i'm gonna kick it somehow jesus year or freemason year

jesus year okay that's good um i had a plan on everything i was gonna tie myself with a chain to my and drive it into a reservoir if i didn't uh if i didn't manage to do it anyway um jesus didn't happen that way a shit ton of stuff happened that was contrary to that and specifically my daughter being born was the main thing that happened that's awesome yeah once your heart is out of your chest and walking around you need to stay i think so i had to do and still doing a lot of work on myself to try and you don't realize how many self-destructive ways you have you know one is your job is one way of being self-destructive the food you eat the alcohol you consume the drugs you take the women you frequent all these are ways of killing ourselves and you know usually at the at the bottom of all that is a

self-hatred which i've had for years after that event that i had with my mom do you think you've gotten rid of that? No. It's still very much there or is it diminished at least? It is being sewn together I think by two things. My daughter's helping me heal that because she's about to she's about to go through the 13s and the teens. So my whole mindset is I don't want her to repeat what I had to go through. So I'm being present. I'm doing everything I can for whatever generational curses I had with me to be chained to me and to be drowned with me when I leave and not be passed on to her. So that's one aspect of it. Like mentalities on life kind of thing?

Yeah. Yeah. Like being present, you know, being positive about shit, not being paranoid all the time. I'm changing some of that aspects. Focusing on her education, putting her into like sports and like figuring her life out. in a better way and cutting out alcohol which has been a ginormous weight on my family for generations congrats on that what are you five six years five years that's awesome um shout out to my sponsor uh randy lead singer of lamb of god is my sponsor shout out randy randy is the best

fucking sponsor in the world he's talked me down so many times um but uh inside i know sobriety's not for everybody like i get it like drink I was thinking, fuck, I remember it, man. I wasn't a drinker that would drink like, hey, let's have some whiskey. And I was like, hey, it was a good talk to you. Go to my house and drink like a 12-pack or maybe half a bottle of moscow and take.

Go into the sleep, the dreamless sleep stage was my favorite thing to go into. Dreamless sleep stage. Drunk sleep is no dreams. That's what I was always running after. And basically I put a pause button on all my dreams for years, which is not good for your mental health, apparently. So when I finally let that go, I had all of them show up at once.

That's pretty fucking wild ride. The whole aspect of death in my life is you can have many deaths in one life. People think it's like a destination. It's not. What's the only eternal thing you can experience in this simulation that we're in? Now, it's always going to be now. Right. Presence.

So that's one. How many times can you die in one lifetime? Shit done. Dude, I've been reinvented myself like four times already. And it's, it's, uh, not easy. Death shouldn't be something you fear. It shouldn't be. You want to meet it on it on your own terms, you know?

You don't want it to show up suddenly. You don't want to walk in traffic or anything, shit like that. but death shouldn't be viewed as a pursuing predator behind you death shouldn't be viewed as a destination you're dreading it should be something next to you next to you yeah reminding you you're gonna die enjoy enjoy it and how do you enjoy it right now being present you know and that's that's that's that's the philosophy behind that people have taken that and turned it into a whole myriad of shit and I gave a I gave a statue that had a drug load inside of it way back when that I found to Sean Ryan it was empty by then but I just gave it's a cool souvenir and I think he shot it with

a rifle because a Christian guy he had on who said that was demonic all the alcohol bottles behind it weren't demonic but that statue specifically was kind of he said he shot it he shot it which is fine this is the fucking statue like it's doesn't mean anything. But all those alcohol bottles behind the statue were way more costly for people. So I found that interesting that was kind of separate. There's in my life, I think, yeah, death has been very present in my life. And the more I ran from it or the more I kind of like try to skirt it or fear it or like look away, the worse it got for me. So once I accepted it, it's funny. The samurai sock about it.

You know, most warrior cultures talk about it. It's something that's been with us forever. You know, there's always this momentum more, or just being realizing that death is essential. Would you say you fear or don't fear death at this point? I fear a purposeless life. A purposeless life. Well, you haven't lived a purposeless life,

so I think you're in good shape. And through that, that's how I venerate life. Interesting. And there is no life without death, though. That's right. So that's... It's the yin and the yang, right? Yeah, the secret is...

The secret of the ying and the yang is that they're both the same. Hmm. I think that's my personal, at least, philosophy with these. You know, I look at a full picture of all the things you've done, though, and the mentality that at one point you had, like, I've got to go out in a ball, lightning and all that. And yet all the situations you were in where you could have just taken one step to the left and said, I'll let that one hit me. That's badass.

It didn't. there's something in the way yeah you tried but the way you think about it is you're trying yeah but something in you was a survivor too yeah isn't that fascinating that like you could think one thing yeah and while actively thinking that act the other way and now here you are yeah you have a daughter you're a father like your life is as an importance that is even beyond the stuff you were doing in so many ways yeah uh The biggest thing that I talk to people that went through shit all the time. I had a pretty amazing conversation with Eddie Gallagher, for example.

Shout out, Eddie. Eddie is an amazing man. An amazing. You know how I know he's amazing? His family. His family is awesome. There's no way to fake that. Yep.

That's how you're, that's, and whenever I ask people like, hey, you want to judge me, meet my kid and ask her what she thinks about me. Yeah. right um with everybody that met that gone through some shit highly shit i always i always compared notes was like hey how do you deal with it you know um there's always this um sadness and a lot of us um this feeling that we've missed out or that we are not going to get to have something that we see around us all all the time which is people taking everything for granted, you know,

just fucking walking through life, fucking eating whatever they want, fucking doing horrible shit to other people, just being self-centered, fucking just being these narcissistic monsters. And they win in life sometimes, you know? And people like us that actually did something

with our lives that went and fought in battles and wars that were not our own, but that's what we went after. We sacrificed a lot and we didn't come back complete. There was an amputation. in violence that happens. And there's a chemical change in violence that happens.

And a lot of us don't come back the same. A lot of us do not come back the same. And we expect the worst of the world because we've seen it. So like, one thing I used to have a lot, still every now and then I get it. I'm in a good place. I'm at peace. I'm in a birthday celebration with these people that I love.

and then I'm smelling burnt flesh. Because I'm walking into a room where somebody just got fucking burned alive in some horrible place down in my past. So it is like a time tunnel. You go back and forth. And it is difficult to kind of move through. And somewhere in that is the self-hatred. that you get from it. Self-hatred.

Because you were there? Because my issues are affecting people around me and I'm unbearable. There's something wrong with me. You isolate. You use drugs. You drink. There's a bunch of ways we figure out how to self-sabotage. And yeah, you're suicidal one day and you're like, okay, I'm done with that. I don't want to kill myself. Why are you eating like shit though? Oh, oh, that's, I'm,

oh let me get rid of that why are you going after all these horrible women why are you living that way um you know you asked me like you think i've got rid of it like rid of this self-destructive thing i think i'm i think i'm in a room right now where i've seen how it could be uh in my life i met an amazing woman it's always usually women then kind of pull you out of that shit ain't that funny completely opposite of me. She's horrified about all this. It's horrified. She's like, all of this.

She, uh, she has put a mirror up to my face. A kind mirror. It's hard to see the realities of who you are and, like, what I'm known for and all the things that I do. Dude, I'm a nerd, you know? I like going to my house and just, reading a book or watching the Lord of the Rings expanded version, you know.

I'm not into any of this warfighting shit. I don't, I don't, I'm not into that. Every now and then I get asked to go to a gun range, you know, like shooting. I'm not into it, man. I'd rather, I don't know, I'd rather go to a beach and walk, walk my girlfriend's dog there or something, you know, that's, I don't, that's not, I'm not after any of that. There's a painting behind me, which just reminds me of where I'm at, you know. I don't want to go to heaven wherever Maximus wanted to go to, but I've always had this vision.

And this vision is of me drowning in a pool of water, holding on to all the chains that I've wrapped myself in throughout my life. And instead of handing them to my daughter, I just hug them with me, and I just hug them with me, and I just go into the water. And I think that would be a good ending. A lot of the shit that we think is special or individual to us, like, nobody's ever gone through this. Like, look at how fucked I am.

Like if you go back one, two members of your family, it's the same thing. And we're just repeating it over and over again. Oh, yeah. I came from that, and I just don't want to repeat it anymore. And, dude, fresh starts. You can get that. them, you can get second chances, you can get a new life. And again, death is always present,

but you can die a lot of times in life. And I think that's where I'm at. I'm going through another resurrection. Oh, that's a good way to put it. You know what, though? You've clearly made some amazing decisions in your life at multiple points to make a turn in the road. Yeah. And I think you deserve a ton of credit for that, because that's a lot of times, that's the hardest part because you got to get right on the other side of that could be something like you know you went through alcoholism and came off the other side of that i'm sure the beginning of that sucked it's horrible it's your body's just like fighting back against itself you want to die yeah but like i think the i'm always so amazed by the ability of people whether there's alcohol or a

drug or something like that to then be finally have a moment where they're like no more and then they get through that hard part and then it gets slightly easier. It's slow, but it's slightly easier because they earn it. And that's the mental fortitude to do that is never lost on me. And I think that's awesome. And like, you know, you've gone through so much and so much personal trauma and seen so much shit, like you can never delete that hard drive. But to see you in a place where like you survived all of it, you did a lot of things where

you made sure you pulled yourself up to survive on it, which is a great example for everyone, not the least of which is your daughter. And like you have multiple purposes in your life, like being a father and, you know, someone that, that like you said, is taking the chains of the things that you've brought up and trying to bury them with you so that it's not passed on. I think that's like what's a better legacy than that? And well is the best legacy you can have, which is like where the Holy Dead come from. Yeah.

What does it say on the back? by the way, this is like, it's all in Spanish. It says, Aracione ala Santo Morte del Trajaro. Yeah, the holy death of work. So people think that the holy death is like it's independent thing. The holy tech death comes from people praying for a good death.

Hmm. And actually one of the places where that actually originated was a mining town in Sakatecas, where people were going to mine shafts and they didn't know if they were going to come out and they prayed for a holy death. Somewhere in the mixture of that, it turned into praying to the holy death. So that's where it comes from.

Again, it's Catholic. It was venerated inside of a Catholic church in Sakatecas for 200, 300 years. Somewhere in the 2006 era, a bishop came to the town, saw the statue and said, hmm, this doesn't need to be in here, and kicked it out. And it led to it being a forbidden saint. And if you want to make something popular in Mexico, you make it forbidden. That's your nature. And currently it is one of the most popular faith practices, not only in Mexico, but here in the United States.

Right. Now, there is also, I don't think I talked with you about this last time, but I've talked with Sheriff Matt Thomas about it. I think I talked with Dave Frank about it as well, because they've seen it. But there's also this very weird, you know, culture within the cartels where they bastardize religion, basically Catholicism into the occult. Yeah. So a few things there, which I'm like, I'm glad you brought this up because I am way into all of that. Oh, yeah. For no other reason that I'm not, again, I don't, again, I'll repeat this.

I don't believe that there's a skeleton in this guy doing me favors like a genie, right? which is the belief that a lot of people in this, in that realm have. I know personally the lady that keeps the giant holy death altar in Mexico City, Dona Keta, amazing lady, Catholic, very Catholic. But she has this death statue that a lot of people show up there and give candles to. She is a community leader. She pays for a lot of operations and people. people just lives getting better in the area.

She's a community leader. She's an amazing woman. She gets vilified by people because she represents a faith practice that a lot of marginalized people go to. And a lot of the people in the cartels are marginalized people. So that's not justifying what they do. That's just realizing why they're, why they gravitate towards a forbidden thing. Sure.

Most of the people that I've met and most of the high, high-level cartel members that I've seen, El Mancho, Catholic. Los Chapitos, Catholic. Most of the other high-level cartel guys out there, very Christian. So the marginalized occult stuff like that you see are on the bottom side of that scale. But most of the leadership that I've seen are not praying to weird death deities or demonic entities. They're Christian. One of the things that El Mention left behind was a whole,

book of prayers that he would write. He was very Catholic. So he doesn't fit that. How can he really be Catholic, though? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, cognitive dissonance to an extent that I can't even comprehend in a human mind. But he had a small altar to Malverde. Not Malverde, to St. Jude in his little space. St. Jude, like the saint of helping sick kids. Sanhudes. Yeah, San Juan Judas. In Mexico, San Jude is the last saint you prayed to. because you might get who with us in there. That's why they, that's the last, basically a patron saint of lost causes.

Yeah, now that's interesting, the symbolism there. Yeah. So he had a saint who's, as you said, patron saint of lost causes, but is known very much with pediatric, serious sicknesses. He was sick. He was sick, but hold on a minute.

I'm just playing with this live. I've never heard this before. Yeah. his life went the wrong way. He became a violent man, was responsible for killing a lot of people, moving a lot of drugs, doing a lot of things that affects all populations,

including kids, but for the sake argument, let's say it's an adult's game. Yep. Okay. But in his Catholicism and in his private life and in an altar that he would make for himself where he would go try to,

I guess, make right for whatever sins he then would continue to do in his life, the symbolism he chose was a saint that represented, kids who are supposed to be pure and young and, you know, have hope for a better life. Yeah. There's a lot going on. I need someone who's actually a psychologist to look at that, but there's a lot going on there.

In Mexico, San Quudas is the last saint you pray to because you might get Judas in your prayers. So, like, that's why they avoid him. And in some of the more underground cultural things, there's actually a belief that depending on which side, hand he's holding his staff. It could be Hudas, like Judas, Escariot, or it could be Saint Judas. So it's the whole thing. It's one of the most popular saints in Mexico and one of the most popular saints amongst cartel members. So I understand how sensational and attention grabbing it is when you see Holy Death prayed to by the cartels. The leadership are usually Catholic. Right. So it's not...

That's interesting. The under guys. The marginalized people who are poor, desperate, who probably got some issues with the church. They pray the devil occult, if you will. They will look for intermediaries. One of the biggest growing faith practices in Mexico, holy death is one of them. And when I say holy death, the people praying to death like a genie that will grant them protection when they go into like dangerous shit is one side of it.

but the vast majority of it are just like Catholic ladies and women and people who just view it as like, oh, culturally, I learn this through my parents and I have death present. And it is something that I find comfort in that I don't have to worry about anything because, hey, I have a relationship with death. What am I worried about? Dying? It's fine. Right. So you see an aspect of that, but also you see the dark aspect. There is a fucking dark aspect to some of these practices. There's three places where some of these come from. Number one, one of the first signs of this narco occultism that we saw in Mexico was through a guy they called El Narcosatano, the Narco-Satanic guy. Constancio was his last name. Can't remember his whole name right now. But he was basically somebody that brought Afro-Caribbean faith practices with him.

that guy cool hair by the way great hair yeah figure that cut out i guess with the yeah it's like that 80s thing going on 80s 90s thing he got cut up because he ordered his coat to abduct a kid from texas who was on spring break or something like that and he needed his brain to feed his brain his brain so a brenda is something within the palo faith practices that come from afrocarivian faith practice in Africa, basically. They believe that you can house a spirit or a dead, a spirit of the dead within these cauldrons that they have. And if you feed it, it will grant you things.

This is a faith practice that was brought into Mexico, probably somewhere in the 50s and 60s, and it has been growing like underground for years. You hear a lot about Santa Marta. It's very in the public. It's out there. People venerate with statues, and they, do these processions. It's not an occult thing. It's not a cult. It's open in the open. This Apollo stuff and this some Afro-Carivian blood and sacrifice thing is underground. A lot of

celebrities in Mexico have ties to it. It does believe in, and again, I'm just speaking about what's been going on out there. There have been a lot of people in the celebrity world in Mexico who have been revealed to be practitioners of this and have been tied to blood sacrifices and human sacrifice shit. A lot of these cauldrons that you find out there have bones inside of them. Bones.

Human bones. And you might get them from a cemetery or from a grave robber, but some people get them from their enemies. When you talk about some of the occult or darker stuff out there, I think that's what you're, that's what most Americans are kind of talking about. You see the Santa Marta stuff.

It's iconography. It is out there. Yeah, there's some dark stuff around there. But some of the Afro-Caribians stuff, the Santeria, the Paolo stuff, that's what the cartel guys are believing in. Not that. That's low level. Right.

That's like old mothers. Yeah, dark, dark stuff. Yeah. Things that you feed with blood, things that you feed with violence, things that are there to give you money. And again, when you talk. about these things you start seeing a lot of the word demonic comes up right now. Absolutely.

Although they in their in their cosmovision they see every entity as something essential. So they don't have that belief system, but they do view it as dark and white magic. So there's the magic that is not going to hurt anybody, it's just going to benefit me. Like I need help. I need help with my health. Oh, that's white magic. I need to need help with my health, so I'm going to sacrifice this young animal, or I'm going to do this horrible shit here as a sacrifice, so you give me health, and that's dark magic. So there's that distinction out there.

And again, these are conversations that I have with these. I go and visit all these places. I visited an altar in DePito, where they have a giant bafflement outside of it. Oh, Jesus. It's like a giant golden bafflement statue out there. And again, you can fear that shit and just not go there. Or you can say, like, anything you fear gets power over you. It's my philosophy.

So I went right about that. So I went there and I was like, what is this about? I talked to the guy that runs it. And he's exactly who you would imagine would be running. Yeah, that one. That's it right there. Yeah. Yeah.

Christ. That's in Teppito. And there's loads of people to go and visit it and put candles up there. If you try to do any Westboro Baptist church shit there or try to fucking do something there, they'll kill you. Yeah. But it is faith practice. It is, that's demonic. That's demonic in the sense that that's what they pray to, a devil. Now, are they doing human sacrifices or doing any occult shit? It's in the open. So it's in the open. It's not a cult. It goes against the word occult because it's in the open. Yeah, they're not trying to hide anything.

So, but the people that are trying to hide some of this shit are some of the older blood sacrifice, the youth veneration, live forever, drawing wealth. And that goes across the political spectrum, across the social spectrum. You get politicians in there. You get, you get, you get cartel members in there. You get celebrities in there. This is, that's, I think there is a dark occult scene in Mexico, but people looking headed through the public death altar or this this this funny statue in a corner when a kid that

walks out with uh sigils on his face tattooed that's he's in the open right that's that's not it you know is it demonic is it bad perspective i guess people have their own belief systems um i just view it as if you fear it has power over you it's like a curse the The thing that I've heard from most of these people that practice these type of stuff is they say, if the person you're cursing doesn't know their curse, the curse doesn't work. So what you give power to. Yes. Ooh, there's a big, big lesson in that.

Yes. A lot of things. Yeah. So in my life, you know, I try not burn, I try not to burn, like, effigies or like, get freaked out or don't touch it or because as soon as you start doing that, it owns you. Yeah. I am curious and I need to have educated opinions about things. And that means that I have to talk to many type of people from all walks of life.

When I give you an opinion about Mexico, some of that opinion is formed by speaking to people that might share different faith practices than I do. Sure. And they're not going to think I'm cool or not trustworthy unless I go to them to some of these weird-ass places. Yeah, it's just fascinating whenever you're talking about someone in like an extremely dangerous. violent organization with a lot of death drugs and everything like the cartels and you talk about any form of religion whether it's like a i don't know bastardization of it with like a cult type shit or the guys i call mencho who actually think they're like a real catholic i don't know the like i was saying earlier the psychology there is what really is just like i feel like you could do

a lot of good studies on that yeah yeah you talk with those guys you know and you'd be again you it's sensationalistic and it looks evil. Like, I mean, a skull. Oh, the cats. It's scary. Grim reber shit. But, you know, go to Italy and see some of the fucking churches they have out there covered in them. Go to the church of San Pancretian, where they have them, like, standing, like, a skeleton standing with armor and Switzerland.

It's, like, some of these things are wild. There's a lot of bones and dead saints in fucking rooms that they pray to in Catholicism. So, like, it's weird for them to be kind of critical. about some of that. But for me, it's like the intention behind shit. Yeah. Yes, a lot of these cartel members, their intention is salvation and desperation. Salvation and desperation. Yeah. They're doing things that they know are going to put them in a direct line to hell, and they're looking for salvation before they go. So a lot of them build churches, a lot of them, you know, pay for schools and roads, and a lot of them are turning to Robin Hood characters for the same reason. So the desperation is that they know

could end at any moment because of the world they're in the life that they've chosen so they feel like in this moment if i can do something good i will and the salvation is that they feel like it's a tit for tat trade kind of game so all right i killed those five fucking guys but i just built a road in a school so that cancels that yeah jesus and i know i know a lot of people out there want to have them like no they're going to go in the back room and there's going to be a big devil statue I've seen that up here. I haven't seen that up down there realistically. There's a lot more of like closeted satanic shit I think up here than there is up there. We got three million emails in counting that certainly show some of that for sure. I mean that's sad. I don't think we can

talk here. Yeah. Well, that's what we're saying. All of all I all I'll say is that it's not a cult if it's in the open and all of the shit is in the open. Yeah. The truly occult stuff is what happens behind closed doors amongst the powerful, the rich, the elite. And that's not margin. That's like Santamarte and all that shit. That's poor people shit. That's poor people shit. It's marginalized people shit.

When you talk about some of what they believe, you know, you want to talk about a demonic institution. There's like a big church in Mexico who was behind a lot of people smuggling and rapes that are doing a lot of shit down there. That's one of them. What church is that? Luz de la Mundo, I think, the light of the world, and I'm not.

Oh, the light of the world. Yeah, I think that's one of the organizations down there. And again, I might be wrong about it, but they have a shit ton of investigations. I think their leader was in prison here in the U.S. or is in prison. All right. So we'll say pure spec, but certainly not looking good.

Here it is. United States Attorney's Office, Southern District of New York. Can I just read the headlines? Perfect. Nassone, Joaquin Garcia charged with bracketeering conspiracy, sex trafficking, and child exploitation of members of La Luz Del Mundo Church, United States Attorney for Southern District, New York, Jay Clayton, Special Agent in Charge in New York Field Office of Homeland Security Investigation, Richard Patel, and Special Agent in charge of New York Field Office of Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation, Harry T. Chavez announced the unsealing of an indictment against Nassine, Joaquin Garcia, and a bunch of other fucking people with all those charges I just read. As alleged,

in the indictment of the defendants engaged in a racketeering enterprise and exploited the LLDM church have persisted for decades to facilitate the systemic abuse of children and women, including creation of photos and videos of sadistic CSAM. For decades, the Joaquin LDM Enterprise operated for sexual gratification of Nassone and his father, the former leader of the Joaquin Enterprise. God, generational fuck up, re. So that is your occult in Mexico. That is your occult in Mexico. For me, at least, like, I get it. Demon statues.

Right. But they're in public. You're out there. And this is what's going on in the back. And also, they had a public event in Mexico recently, and their church is still there. And they support Morana. Oh, God. So it's, it's a.

Well, they got to live with the, I mean, they got to live with themselves. It's just you see all the victims that get caught up and shit like this. That's the stuff that is horrible. For me, it's like, again, like Mexico is a weird country, or spiritual, our spirituality in Mexico comes from a cyclical nature. We don't believe in good and evil at a base level. It is cyclical. Right.

Right. And again, Catholicism changed that. We had the Spanish come in. The difference between the U.S. and Mexico is that the Spanish intermingled. Intermingled. Yeah, the Spanish married into society in Mexico. Oh, right, whereas in the U.S., they didn't necessarily marry the Native Americans. They exterminated.

Right, right, right, right. They exterminated a lot of those natives. That's interesting. So when you, and it goes into the more, you know why the Morena party is named Morena? No. It probably has something to do with the fact that the Virgin of Guadalupe, the most venerated saint in Mexico and a lot of Latin America, is brown. At some point, when the conquest happened, You know, people want to say like, I'm ASTIC.

ASTIC was a tribe of nomads from Utah that made their way into the Central Valley of Mexico. The original Mormons. Yes. Yes. Exactly. And, you know, they weren't, like, a lot of people want to make them out as being these peace-loving people that they were nice. The Aztecs. The Astecs.

That sacrifices weren't real. That's something that Spanish invented. Uh, no, like there's evidence- You're selling kids in cages. There's evidence of human sacrifices all over the place. And, but again, own it. Like I own it. Culturally, I realize that's in my culture and I realize that's part of who I am.

There's no, that I don't have any issues with it. I think at some point when that conquest happened, somebody decided to say like, hey, we need to put up a image of the virgin. So these, these natives will pray to it. But if we make it look too white, they're going to be like, like who is this right right so when you see the you pull up an image of the vizhen of wadalupe you'll see a brown native woman wearing a black sash around her waist which is which is something that the ashtic women would wear to it to signify that they were pregnant so instead of having a baby in her arms her baby's inside she's promising life she's standing on top of a crescent

moon because the spanishes came from the conquest of the Muslim conquest there. So they were, she's standing on the Muslim, crescent moon. She's standing, she's a victor, victorious over the Muslim. What does that have to do with Mexico? Nothing. It's a Spanish influencing coming in. She's being held up by a cherub that has eagle wings. If you go back into, yeah, there she is. That cherub on the bottom is an interesting add on, because those fiery wings are of an eagle, not of a dove that you would normally see on a cherub. There's an origin story within Aztec religion where they say there was a mother goddess, Guatliquay, who found a feather on the ground while she was cleaning the Holy Temple,

stuffed it in her sash, and she became pregnant. The moon, her daughter, and the stars, her sons, were like, hey, you can't have another kid. We're the most important ones. They show up for a war. The war god, Wichiliposli, gets born, fully formed. That's Quatliquae. that's who is probably behind the image of Labirchen culturally. That's actually like pretty wild. Yeah. So that's in our culture. So if people want to understand Mexico,

they first have to understand that we come from thousands of years of like cultures and there was a lot of things going on spiritually in that area, but we come from a cyclical culture. Yeah. That's in our DNA. A. So that's at the behind everything. The Morena party called themselves Moran in a very smart way because they took an image or a symbol that is at the center of her culture, which is a vizhen of Wadalupe, which we sometimes call the Morenita, the brown one as a term of endearment. And think about it, we have a female at the center of our spiritual practice in Mexico. It's not Jesus. It's La Virgen. That's how they sold it to us. Sacred feminine. Mm-hmm. You know, that's a difference.

That's a cultural difference. And what's the shadow of the sacred feminine? Death. So when you go into the holy death altar, you see people dragging themselves with a big statue, proving their devotion through physical exertion. And when you go to the celebrations of Labica and the Wela-Lupe, you see people dragging themselves with a big statue going through physical exertions. They are mirrored each other.

So it's a duality, I think, realistically, a cultural duality. That's so fascinating. But again, when you talk about the occult, shit, the stuff that people should be worried about. Luce del Bundo. Oh, yeah. That's what I... And then, obviously, like we were saying here, there's something... It's offensive in all its forms when Satanism occurs and awful victims are, you know, brutalized.

It's awful in all its forms. There's something extra sick about it. when it's the most elite people in society who make all the rules that we don't get the vote on, by the way. Yeah. For everyone that is just, offends me to my core, you know? And again, there's practitioners of all face practices are evil and good.

That's right. There's a lot of people who are paleros, and I know a lot of them. My friend Conejo, the rapper, Conejo, shout out to Conejo. Former enemy of mine, now we're friends. He's a palero. Great guy. I have no issues with him. Like, his practice is pretty cool to look at.

again, culturally. That's my thing. I'm not from that area, but cool. I have a lot of Christian friends who call me demonic and tell me that I'm into devilcraft and all this stuff of shit. And it's like, and I'm like, okay. But also, I like the Bible. I like Jesus. I'm all about it. I have the seal of St. Benedict on my arm to keep the devil away. I have a... That's cool. I have the first ectrism on my arm. I mean, look, at it. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm too simple. Maybe I'm just a people person. But like my whole thing is, I don't like throw stones from glass houses or judge people on things that I don't know and they don't know either, you know, for my own personal beliefs. I do believe, like I said earlier, there's a God that created all this. I think I'm going to have

to humbly face that someday when I'm not here. So when I'm here, I try to do the most good I can and treat people well. And so I judge people on how do they treat other people and what do they do and how they leave the world a better place than it was. Like I think that's, I don't, maybe I'm over simplifying it and I'm certainly not the judgeer of how things should go, but I feel like that's a pretty calm way to live your life. I'm pretty anti-state. I move around

a lot. I like making people smile and laugh and help people out. I give away a lot of shit. I think you're a great guy. I live a pretty Christ-like life. Yes. And I've taken communion.

Recently, I took communion when my business was open. My friend Prowse showed up. It's my pastor. And, you know, I don't consider myself a traditional Christian. I was like, I've been through some shit. I'm more of a Peter type guy, you know. I'm right. I can know that, sure.

But any faith practice or any spiritual practice that makes you feel superior to other people or special or a supremacist of any kind to me is wrong. Any faith practice that makes you feel justified enough to criticize or go and, demand shit from another faith practice that they that's bad all that is horrible and bad that's where religion is bastardized and completely un-christlike yes i agree completely man so uh that's what i look at i always look at the witnesses around the people that i'm meeting to see who they are if i

can and i don't judge and everybody's a product of their environment i have no idea where everybody come from and what their fucking experiences are all i can all i can tell is like how good they treat other people and you know where they put themselves in a room you know if they put themselves with the back into the room they're a king and they don't want to get stabbed in the back if they put themselves in the middle they want attention but if they move around yeah that's what I want to talk to well I would stay on that normally but we've been talking for so long and there is one thing I got to hit before you and I both got to get out of here and that is coming back to the Almencho thing So we talked about this a little bit in the first episode.

This is the second episode now. But, you know, we talked about the context of like Shine Bomb and when she was informed of the operation, that whole thing was weird and the context of like we never got to see his body or anything like that. That's a little weird too. How he died is still up for debate as to what it was. But the other weird thing is I had Katarina Schultz in here right after it happened. She was there at the video of it.

I saw videos of her like holding bullets and shit like that. here. So, cat, we'll go get it. But it looked, Ed, it looked, the scene looked weird. So, so what do you think? I'll ask you this. Does it make sense to leave behind the biggest treasure trobe of information you could ever find in, like, dude, the, the head of the new generation cartel left his leisure's there,

all this document. Does it make sense for the special forces to show up there? Okay, we're done. Site exploitation? What is that? I don't know what that is. Site exploitation is a military term. It means going to a site that has intelligence and you exploit it.

You bring phones, putting him in a bag, ferre ticket. We used to do that, you know, at our level. Like anything that had writing on it, receipt, the garbage with the toilet paper, fuck it. Take that too. There might be a receipt in there that couldn't tell us something about whatever the fuck is happening here. Everything was left.

Everything. And then some of the, like, the way. Windows were in place. There were random shells that were in the wrong spot. Like it was weird. So from what I get from it is they just want to be done with it. They just want to bury this shit. They just want to be done with it.

There is no way in shape or form that any of that documentation can be utilized in any sort of legal case against anybody. Even with members of the military that might have been on some of those ledgers, there's nothing you can utilize. in that space because it was violated by all the people that went into that room, including your friend that went in there and picked up all those bullets. She basically nullified any sort of effort that you could have to say like, hey, I found this notebook here and it has this name of this politician in here. We want to build a case against. Well, was it there?

Did somebody put it there? Right. And they let, like, that was the thing. It was a few days later and they just left it for her to go. Like, it's very strange to me. Yeah. I think what I perceive of it is that there was official support and protection of him. And it just became too expensive to maintain.

And they went in there and they probably shot some of their own while they were protecting old Manchu. And then they got to pretend that didn't happen. Maybe. Because there was a fight. Yeah. There was a burnt fucking. Yeah, that much was clear. There was something.

And it is very weird to leave all that shit just behind. Yeah. Unless you're just want to fucking be done with it, which I think this is where we are. There might have, there were definitely people on the leisure that were being paid for protection. Very little money, some of them, which is pretty weird to kind of see. And also you could see how much he was paying his guy to whatever. But it was a very hard operation. It was very hurried.

They were in a rush. They just wanted to be done with it and extract the body and not have it being rescued. And I understand why they do shit like that. The last time you saw the photography of a cartel member's body, the family members of one of the unit guys that was killed in that operation got murked during a funeral. So the military probably learned their lesson. as far as showcasing bodies so I can see why they might have not shown the body. I don't

see why they would leave so much action of all intelligence behind. I don't see why the President of Mexico would be out and about in the social setting while this was happening. Those are the things that stick out in my mind as like question marks. Well, you keep looking on those and next time you're in here

we'll have more answers, I'm sure. Hopefully. Dude, it's been great to spend the day with you. And as always, amazing stuff. I'd love bringing you in here. I'd love to bring in next year when some more shit's going down. But the work you do is amazing. Your life story is amazing. And I'm really glad you're here and in a great mental space as well. And I hope that continues. I'm about to go walk on the shore. It's a beautiful place here. And I think it's a beautiful day. So this is where I'm at where I'm at now. Thank you so much for the invitation. Of course. And thank you so much for coming.

So everyone go follow Ed. We'll have the links down below. You also got some of the coolest cameras in the whole podcast industry as well. I'm jealous of that. But yeah, we'll definitely do this again. Viva, Mexico, and Viva, St.O. Bravo. Grazie.

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