KGCI: Real Estate on Air - The Tending Balance: Leading with Intentionality Instead of Forcing Results

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Summary:Chris and Aaron Henson explore the nuanced boundary between "making something happen" and "allowing it to happen" through the metaphor of intentional gardening. They argue that forcing often stems from a lack of faith in the process, leading to burnout and stress. By focusing on "tending to the conditions" for success—such as mindfulness and consistent process—rather than obsessing over the scoreboard, leaders can find a path of ease that maximizes productivity without the friction of constant internal negotiation.

Hello, friends, welcome back. It's another episode with You Know Who. Yes. Do we? Do I? I let's, but does anyone really know anybody, Chris? Hey, if you're a first time, first time listener, I'm insane. Can you really be said to own land, Chris? Joined by my co-host, Aaron Hendon. Hello, Aaron. Hey, what's up? I've been using that own land joke. I really, since I was like 13 years old. I don't know. I don't even remember where it came from, but it's just one of those, it comes to me. Why is it a joke?

I only hear it as like commentary, political commentary. Does anybody really own? It's a political commentary joke that I've been making since I'm like 13. Can anyone, anytime things get too hippie. Ah, got it. Okay. You throw that in like, but can anyone really be said to own land? It's context dependent as a joke, like situational.

Yeah, it's got things got. to be getting vaguely hippie airy farian yeah anyway um not what we were going to talk about today no i haven't had a hard time transitioning to that i can usually bridge to something but i'm sure i yeah no there's no bridge there's no bridge there this is this is this is this is going be a bumpy ride folks uh yeah which is good good because there's the transition because what we wanted to what we wanted to talk about was that line between making something happen and allowing something to happen. Right, right.

Right. And here we are, like, trying to wait for the occasion. You know, well done. Well, waiting for the. Oh, God. That was just, to flow into it.

You know, we have to make it happen. Man, you hung in that pocket, though. I did. And if you made it, it did not look effortful. It looked very easeful. Exactly. So that, that's it. That's the demonstration of what it

looks like to straddle that line between making something like because it will show up and you do have to put some attention on it. So the, you know, a million different examples that Chris and I are dealing with about this. We're designing a course, some certification program in being a mindful CEO. And, you know, there's a level at which that's, you know, how much attention and how much work and how much effort. And when do you, what does it mean to do that? And how do you do that? Well, and I think how we started was like, you know, here's an idea. I don't know what it is. I don't know what this is. And that's weird because then do you just allow it, do you, you know, do you allow it to sort of take its sweet time in 12 months from now?

We're still like, I don't know what this is. Or is there some intentionality to put in or some? I don't know. So, okay, so that's good. That's helpful to this for me because there's, you can allow it, but do you, in allowing it, do you force or, what's the difference between intentionality being intentional with something versus forcing something? Right.

Well, that's the question at hand. Yeah. Right. Like I have the other example that we can sort of talk through is I'm coaching a team of real estate agents. And we're four weeks into the nine week program. And there hasn't been any, you know, change in their pipeline, but they're loving the meditations. And, you know, the question is, all right, well, how much effort or how much, you know, do we press in there? and when does pressing in or putting attention on something become forceful?

So the metaphor that popped to head to pop to head. Yeah. Uh-huh. The metaphor that popped into my mind, as you earthlings would say, you fluent English speakers, was, you know, tending to a garden, tending to a plant. You know, you plant the seed and stuff, and you could just let stuff grow.

Stuff just grows. That does happen, right? Things do just grow. And, you know, there's even volunteer seeds. So I have a garden and we compost everything. And so every year we wind up with volunteer tomatoes and volunteer squash. Like, those are what? Just the seeds that fell on the ground from the last season or what?

Yeah, stuff that comes through the compost or comes to someplace else, and they're just plants. We didn't plant them. They, you know, intentionally, they're just, they're volunteers. And my experience with those is those tend to be not as tasty. It's not as, I don't know what that is. If someone who's a gardener or does that kind of thing more often could chime in and let me know. But point is, volunteers happen. But then there's also intention.

gardening, which is you plant seeds and you set up a watering system and you cover the ground and you provide nutrients and you weed and you water on a regular basis and you, you know, tie up the tomatoes as they grow and, you know, to maximize yield, maximize utility to tend to garden. I mean, you know, just tending a garden is not a weird thing to do and it's not particularly forceful. Yeah. That's good. You're not forcing the plant to grow.

You're not digging up the seed every five minutes to see if it's sprouted. And you're not. So there's a balance there between tending to something and forcing it. Tending it, you know, tending to it is, you know what it takes to tend to something. It takes at an, I don't know, an enormous amount, what some amount of faith. that this wants to happen. Yeah. And you're just getting things out of the way

of what's naturally going to happen anyway and facilitating that outcome that's inevitable, but you're facilitating it to maximize its utility, productivity, yield. Right. you're not just let you're not simply just letting it happen so that's interesting um that on one level force in this context is uh something where a place where i would go where i don't know it's going to happen oh that's good i tend to force things if i'm not if i don't have faith if i'm not confident it's going to happen on its own yeah like the thing i want to

to happen is just not going to happen by itself. So I'm more likely to try and force something. If it's inevitable, if who I am about it is that it's inevitable, then it shows up like tending. Right. Interesting. Interesting. So in the case of this team, you know, my coaching this team, you know, am I that it's inevitable that their results are going to increase? It's interesting because I was when we started and now a month in, if nothing's happened, given nothing's happened, I have a little less faith. Yeah, that's good. This is very CEO land. Like, you know, everybody's excited at the beginning of the journey.

We get to the middle when rations are low and you're like, I don't know, man, we should turn back. I don't know if we're going to make it. Especially in CEO land, if what you're up to is something that there isn't an agreement for or an industry around. Like if you're creating change, which is really close to my heart, like if you're going to go be the change you want to see in the world, they're like, you know, that's kind of like new territory. That's new. So I've had many times when I felt like I'm trying to force it. That looks like I'm going to buy all the software and the equipment and the tools.

I'm going to throw money out. at it. I'm going to hire all the coaches about it because I'm like, I have to have this. It's very hard for me to sit in. How do I just be easy about this? How do I tend it? How do I, give it a little water? Because I don't have, I don't have a lot of faith about it. I have a huge desire for it. But my faith at that, it's going to happen. It's kind of like, I don't, I don't, I don't know. Yeah, it's an interesting little conundrum because In a lot of ways, what it is to be CO and sort of both the ordinary context and I think even a created context, it's often, you know, making things happen that weren't going to happen anyway. You know, somebody is going to, you know, it wouldn't happen if you didn't.

Well, it wouldn't happen if you didn't plant the seed. It wouldn't happen if the ground wasn't fertile. It wouldn't happen if there weren't the conditions for it to happen. Throwing seeds in the ground doesn't, throwing seeds in the ground and having there be no water does not guarantee, guarantees no plant practically. Right.

Right. So there are certain conditions that need to be tended to. It's interesting. You know, I think, because tend, oh, this is good. This is just a good little step deeply to the metaphor. Tending has to do more with the conditions. Yeah. Then it does the action.

Tending is putting attention on the conditions for the event as distinct from the event. I'm not, I don't force the plant to grow. Got it, right. But I do tend to the conditions. that would maximize it. And I again, this is, I don't know enough about gardening to have this part be confident, accurate. But part of it is, you know, can you force a tree to fruit?

I think there's ways of, you know, trimming it or tending to it, that you, what people would call force it to fruit. But it's not really forcing it to fruit. just increasing the likelihood of an event by tending to the conditions by trimming this part or, you know. That's really good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because if it's not a fruit bearing tree, you can't force a non-fruit bearing tree to fruit.

But you can't ask it to be something it's not, which I think is sort of what you're saying. Yeah. Right. But you can. You can tend. You can. Yeah. tend to the condition.

Last week we were in the mastermind, we were talking about ease is not the reward. Ease is the path. Right. Ease is the path. And I really sat with that. We talked about it in the mastermind. I offered up my own circumstances as fodder for the conversation. And in the last week, I've really sat with that a lot.

and I'm having my own insights and ahas about what that means to me, ease. So mine was specifically around fitness. And, you know, I've always been interested in six-pack abs. You know, who does it want? That's pretty awesome. That's pretty sexy. But I really wrestled with how does what, I don't know how to be easeful about that. I mean, so it looks more like wanting to force something.

In the past, it looked like I'm going to go force. myself to work out or i'm and that does the experience of that is not one of ease right that's one of stress anxiety pressure frustration when i don't get the result and and so there is i think i'm connecting that conversation to this one in that one of things i'm noticing about ease for myself is it's a lot about tending the conditions like if i tend the conditions around it my body knows what to do there's just some things I need to choose, just like a garter would choose to set up irrigation or not, or choose to use compost or clay.

Like there are some choices I can make that make the journey of this, the path of this, more ease. And that's kind of what I'm hearing in this conversation. It's going to do, it'll do what it does, but if you tend it, you're going to, it's going to have a path of ease. Do you hear something in that?

Because that's what I've been chewing on the last week. Yeah. I mean, on one hand, I heard a couple things. So part is the mastermind itself is a condition, creates a condition. Right. Right. It doesn't work on any particular project. No one in there is like, you know, it's not learn this skill.

Right. Not like, you know, for the book, I keep getting ads on my feed for how to run Amazon ads and six modules and take these steps. That's not the mastermind. It's not a, it's not a learned skill from that perspective. It creates a condition of thoughtfulness. You know, creates a condition where we're thinking about things newly in which new things can sprout. up, right? We're tending to the, it's more tending to the garden.

Right. Making sure there's fertile soil for the CEO to live. That's good. Yeah. CEO where we are to live. Yeah. And then, yeah, I don't know. So ease as the path. Yeah, do you remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. I remember. I think that's. I thought you're like, no, no, no. I'm just thinking about it in terms of, okay, well, Well, you know, muscles grow when they're, when they break. Yeah. That's how you grow muscles as you work your muscles to failure. Right.

So nothing particularly easeful about that. No, right. No, no. Right. So one of the insights today this morning, in fact, off of that conversation last week and some other thoughts. I've had this week were for me, because that's what I was sitting with last week, was like, I don't understand how to do fitness with ease. Like, do, am I allowed? Every day we say fitness,

all I can think about is fitness pizza in my mouth, but okay. Am I really like, you know, am I just allowing my, without doing any work, am I just allowing my body to get ripped? Like, you know, I don't see how that's possible. So there has to be something there, but, well, I think, let's go, let's take, can I'm going to take the cram for a little side tour here for a second, but one of the conversations I had yesterday was so helpful in seeing this was somebody said we have, we have kind of three instincts that kind of run in the background of how we show up to things. One is, and think of these three instincts like animals. The instincts are self-preservation instinct, a social instinct, our instinct around others. and then a sexual instinct, not necessarily having, you know, the physical act of sex, but that could be how you merge with a project,

how you reach flow state. Like, and each of us, this is how it was explained to me, which really helped me, each of us, those three animals, one of those instincts as an animal is the strongest, the wildest, it's in the room and it sort of does everything for you. It's like on hyperdrive. the middle instinct or animal is usually sort of a more healthy instinct.

It shows up. It knows how to kind of interact with whatever the, what it needs to do. And then there's the weakest animal or instinct, and it's kind of in the corner whimpering. And I thought that was really interesting because I could see for myself that I'm very strong in the sexual instinct as it relates to you. I immerse myself in projects.

I am immersed my, I live on vision, passion, expansion, ignition. This is sort of how I produce results in the world through that instinct. And my social instinct is very middle of the road. Like I can show up and be appropriate in a room. I don't have a lot of anxiety. I'm not, you know, it's just very even keel. But my self-preservation instinct, which would affect how I treat my body, how I deal with finances, right, or livelihood that way,

has been this whimpering animal for me. And I tend to ignore it and say, like, don't talk to me. I've got to go dream bigger dreams. Every time I get squeezed, I don't, I don't choose the present moment, which is where we were last Wednesday in our mastermind conversation. I don't choose the present moment and get present to it and then choose it. I retreat into vision, expansion, bigger projects. Because that's the animal that is the strongest and the loudest.

And so I go, well, that's what I'm going to go. That's how I'm going to deal with this. And this is how when I would get into breakdowns and fitness, it would be like, I'm tired of this. This is stupid. I need something different. And I would ignite a new project, a new thing. And so now in this reflection, what I'm starting to see is my path of ease is not don't lift weights or don't be in a calorie deficit. My path of ease is choosing this threshold moment,

this present moment, this, if I can choose this moment, I'm going to go into the weight room and I'm going to pick up weights. That one moment, if I can choose that, then I'll lift the weights. It's fine. I actually like, it feels good for me to lift weights. Right. There's a lot, there's a lot of arguing with myself, negotiating with myself. That makes this not easy or easeful. It's very, fraught with internal conflict about don't tell me what to do and screw you and I'm going to do whatever I want to do. So what I saw for myself was that ease, eases the path for me. Ease shows up when I can in this moment choose the threshold, choose the self-preservation,

spend time with the instinct that has been ignored in the corner about self-preservation. Like, in some ways, look at that as balancing me out rather than neglecting vision. It's like, hey, I'm going to shore up this thing I have, this who I am as a person by bringing in some of this. Well, there's a couple things in that, right? First of all, there's a recognition of balance. Yeah. Right? Like of the importance of balance.

And then also a recognition of avoidance. you know, avoiding uncomfortable things. Yep. Whatever it is you're not doing, cold calls, whatever, whatever you're avoiding, hard conversations, avoiding anything else. That gets often bucketed like it's easier to ignore it. Right, yes. But it's really not.

It doesn't create ease. Right. It creates distress. Ignoring the weak part creates distress. Yeah. Because if we go back to CAP, anyway, you know, it's a three-legged stool, you can't have one leg that's longer. Yeah. It's going to create distress.

It's going to create imbalance. Yeah, good. Right? So it's, you know, water is important, but you could overwater. You know, you can certainly over fertilize, you know, you can. you know, I always think of salt, right? It's just as a baker. Salt is really important for breath.

But, and you got to put enough in that you don't taste it. The moment you taste salt, you got too much salt, but you need the, right? So while salt's important, it's really easy to overdo it. So balance. Yeah. is a critical aspect of ease, of cultivating ease. And I think we talk about doing the easy work, you know, low-hanging fruit, whatever. Like it's, you know, going to create ease.

We also think no effort, right. You know, no effort at ease or somehow synonymous. right and but it's a pain in the ass to weed the garden i don't know how else you know i'm not like i don't know anyone is like i can't wait to weed the fucking garden um right but it creates a condition in which the growth is easeful yeah and i think those things are need to stay separate is the amount of energy it takes to create a condition of ease is, you know, that's that sort of part of this confusion, this confusing mix of, well, when am I forcing something? If I force myself to go to the garden to weed it.

On one hand, yeah, sort of. Sort of I do, you know, if I don't, you know, I'm just thinking there's like a couple. One project regarding my garden is setting up a watering system. And last year I didn't get to it until like fucking May, which was absurd. And the garden was a disaster. Last year's garden was a disaster. Yeah. Was it weeded?

It was overwater. It was a disaster. So energy doesn't equal force. You know, if the energy is applied to the, to, if the energy is applied to, if the energy is applied to. create a condition of growth, I would think that it would be useful to bucket that as ease. Even if it feels hard to do, you're doing it to create ease. Yeah, there's a lot of things we do that, too, a lot of things we do that are easy, create stress.

Yeah. There's, there's ease. I hear ease two ways in that. one is ease. You'll do something hard, like go set up the water system, which creates conditions for the garden to have ease and growing. And then there's ease in your decision to go set up the water, like the irrigation. Like for me, this is where I could see for myself about fitness, is that what we talked about at as segment intending from Abraham Hicks last week. Like there, there's a moment that's coming up next, a segment of your day, a segment of your life. It's coming up next. And you could

intend something about that. You could make a choice about that. We tend not to. We kind of just do, we just kind of blow through our day. Do what's in front of us, do what's easy. Yeah, and that creates conditions that are not easy, that are stressful, that are whatever. But in this moment, this is where I got last week was that what I know that I know that I don't do is just get present in this moment. This is all of meditation and mindfulness. Get to this moment right here. And in this moment, choosing to work out is not hard. It's all the negotiation I do with myself, the arguing, that's a pain in my ass. I don't want to do that right now. That's going to take this many hours. And that makes it hard. But choosing in this moment is not hard.

Right. And choosing in this moment with an intention. or, you know, getting into this moment and then looking in the direction of, yeah. What, you know, what future am I creating or what my purpose is inside cap, right? Yeah. What's going to create a condition of future ease for that purpose being fulfilled? Yeah. What action would create that?

So that's on, it's good. I mean, that's, I think everything there is good, and it's in a, but it's in a frame of, again, an outcome that we know is going to happen. If you're, or more certain about how that mechanism works, working out is, well, you can't, you know, it's experimental. It's not real like gardening. Gardening's not real, I mean, there's experiments you could do in gardening, but gardening is pretty straightforward in terms of seed, brown, soil, water, light, it'll work. Yep. diet and exercise is more personal, your personal body type, what kind of exercise you're doing, blah, blah, blah.

But overall, calorie deficit exercise, still a fairly reliable process. And then there's this, you know, this team I'm working on. You know, like, okay, we don't, I haven't done this before. there's not a infinite amount of time behind me in having this happen like gardening has an infinite whatever is old as you know whenever we became agrarians

that we figured out how to grow food not reinventing the wheel with that one right and there may be experimenting to maximize but the fundamental principles has been proven over time this working with this team and is not, you know, it's new. It's not been done before. So it takes a level of, I guess it's just taking a level of guesswork or, you know,

you know, educated guesses, but, you know, applying time tested principles, am I more effective when I'm calm or when I'm frantic? Okay. more effective when I'm calm, right? Even in situations, especially in situations that are high pressure, the calmer person wins. More times than not, that's a fairly, again, that'll work.

So mindfulness and meditation produce better performance. I don't know. There's a 2,500 year history of that. particular thing. Right. Like there is a decent amount of history. And you're taking that and applying it sort of in some new applications. There's some new ways you're applying it.

It kind of reminds me when you talked about running, you know, like if somebody was running in the 70s, you'd be like, who's chasing you? And now there's enough of people doing it that and data around it that you're like, no, this is what happens. And you're just sort of running, jogging in the 70s right now with. coaching people through mindful practices. To increase performance. Uh-huh. Sales performance, particularly. Yeah.

Yeah, you know, I mean, again, that's a good, again, in the present moment, when I let the dust settle or let the mud settle in the glass. Yeah. I can see, you know, we can look to see, is this the right thing? Because we are, but again, what, what I can't, you know, this is sort of basic performance. coaching, you can't work on outcomes, you can work on process. Yeah. You know, sports metaphors are perfect for, I mean, every coach will tell you, you can't,

can't make them in contact with the ball or strike that person out, but you can't work on their process that would more likely produce that result. And that's really sort of what we're talking about. forcing is attention on the scoreboard. Generally, if my attention is on the scoreboard, I'm much more likely to try and force an outcome. Yeah, that's good. Then if my attention's on the process,

and I can work on the conditions that are more likely to produce the result. It's all likelihood to produce the result, not. Yeah. Nothing's guaranteed. So are my actions consistent with my purpose, right? Creates. Anytime I take actions that are inconsistent with my purpose, always distress.

You know, some inauthentic sales conversation, something where I'm trying to make something happen, right, which mindfulness is great for allowing your purpose to arise. And whether you call it your purpose or true to yourself. for an authentic expression or whatever, however you want to language that. But my doing that would then allow for better performance. Getting grounded in that would allow for better performance. I can say that as true in my reflections around fitness where I would get so frustrated by not having the result

that I'd either double down, whatever it is. But now what I'm seeing in this, the reflection of the last week has been This isn't about six-pack. This isn't about the outcome. This is about choosing this moment. And that's such a different place to operate from. It's a different energy to that. When I say, oh, I'm going to choose, what do I want to choose in this moment?

It's about choosing conditions or choosing. It's not looking at outcomes. Right. I'm more focused on the path than I am on the destination. And in doing that, it makes, it has this week made those choices easier. There's an ease to those choices. Because I'm not holding those choices in this moment accountable for the result right now. I'm trusting the process.

I'm trusting calorie deficit, exercise, weight, you know, strength training. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with the goal called six-pack abs in and of itself, right? And we, you know, every team goes out to win the Super Bowl to win the World Series, you know, and 31 teams are losers. And that's, but that's the way it is every year. 31 teams are dissatisfied. Include, you know, and then you got to let go of at some point, and that's the question we have at what point. But at some point, you got to let go of your attachment to the goal. Yeah.

And put your head down and work on process. Right. And then you look up every now and then and look to see if you got the goal or not. And if he didn't, then what else is needed? What else is important? What else would create a higher likelihood of result next time? Yeah. And I can hear a lot of, I can hear myself in this, but a lot of, we'll say,

newbies picking up like, okay, yeah, I like this idea about mindfulness. you know, leading to some cool breakthroughs in my sales or my business or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Let's do. You coach us, coach us, captain, and on mindfulness. And we do it for a while until we're like, hey, this isn't working. And then now attention shifts from process to outcome. Right.

And it's easy if you're a white belt or a yellow belt, it's easy to start like, you know, making the process wrong. but it's just like gardening you know you do your first year of gardening and you're going to get some things right but a lot of things they're going to be clunky and next year you if you're committed to process next year you do some things different based on what you learned but i think we tend to throw out the process when it doesn't give us the result and then we go look for a new process and this is a karmic cycle that is so i'm just trying to add some breadth here of time because if you only listen to this conversation like oh yeah no i'll

give that a try and then it didn't work in air quotes you're you're you know you're killing off the process give it time give it time give it time that's what i would say about that yeah so the question we had to start with this to go back was the difference between force and allowing right yeah intention Intention. Sprangling intention versus forcing. Tending to conditions. Yeah. Increasing likelihood of results.

Letting go of attachment to the number, to the goal, to the outcome. Having it there to reference, but only to reference, not to strive for. You know, again, letting go of striving, allowing. But are we, you know, I mean, I got to force myself to meditate every day. I mean, it feels like that, you know, like at some point, I'll even get to the couch and still be scrolling on Instagram and then be, okay, fine, stop. But that little level of force, like it's got to, you know, it's also a, it's important to give up the notion that allowing versus forcing that allowing means, you don't do uncomfortable things. Sure.

I just think it's really easy to get, well, I'm allowing. Yeah. You know, it's that it's the getting grounded in the moment and looking to see what action is needed. And even in the moment that you, when you, like you said, Chris, get present. Yeah.

In the present, that thing that looked like it was going to be, you've been avoiding as hard, doesn't show up as hard. Right. Because in the moment, you're in the moment, there's nothing there. There's nothing easy or hard. There's just the moment. Right. And if you get connected to the future you're creating or your purpose or the outcome, there's a next action that's appropriate. Yeah. Right. It's not like force doesn't work. It's not like it does, you know, plenty of people have results by forcing themselves to do things. But I think what I think what we're sort of looking at, at here is that there are other maybe better results. There are other results. There is another way to do this that, you know, agency comes to mind. Like you choosing the moment, rather than forcing

the moment, being in a space of like, I'm sovereignly choosing this, rather than scrolling, I'm going to choose to not scroll and I'm going to choose to meditate. And that is, doesn't have to be an experience of force and frustration that could be, you know, an experience that is sovereignly chosen as like, this is what I'm doing now. That's not how I've made choices in the past when I'm, when things are uncomfortable. I tend to, what do you call it, back arch? I tend to get angsty about it. Right.

Why are you making me do this? Yeah. And, you know, and that's the whole world of, you know, hustle culture, ice bath. Yeah, right. you know, 4 a.m. Make yourself do hard things. And I don't know, I mean, I don't have a particular problem with making a, I don't think it's a problem to make yourself do hard things.

I think it's, I think it's ineffective in the long term to glorify doing hard things as the path to success when you, you then miss the journey. you then are, you know, dissatisfied all the fucking time until you, you know, until you make it. Right. Well, this is evidenced in burnout and mental health issues and, you know, entrepreneur land. It's in business. Yeah, which is why we're, why I'm talking about ease is not a reward. It's the path.

You don't. And that doesn't mean don't do hard things. Again, I think this is a decent prompt for tomorrow. Yeah. it's always good when we find ourselves in a paradox, right? Because there's this, we're back and forth in this conversation. Like, yeah. So what I'm saying?

Oh, it's just reading Brayne Brown, and she was talking about the beauty of paradoxes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like the definition of paradoxes as the place where language, as a paradoxes shine a light on the place as language fails. Like it's only a paradox in language. In experience, it's not an experience. If you dwell in whatever paradox it is, long enough, it shows up in a way that language will not communicate.

You're just left with the failure of language, which is great. Because plants don't grow in language, plants grow in reality. You know, things don't happen. And if it's not showing up outside of language, then what's, you know. Well, yeah, that's a whole paradox in itself. That's a whole paradox in itself. That's good. That's another prompt we can really explore.

Right. Because. Yeah. Because without language, you know, I think we've built our whole world on communication. We don't think we have languages, you know, love, live. and language is the house of being. That's what we're talking about. Let's reel that back in.

That's a prompt for another episode. Yes, it is. We're not going down that road. All right, well, let's leave it there. I think we said enough. Yeah. I think you've said enough. Thank you.

I think you've said enough. That's the shut the fuck up. I think you let me talk more today. That's good. It was good. Well, I tried. All right. Well, the next cohort of

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