Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2844: You're Destroying Your Bones Without Knowing It, Here's the Fix

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

Women can lose up to 20% of their bone density during menopause. Men lose 20–30% over their lifetime. Most people are told to take calcium or medication — but there's a proven formula that not only stops this process, it reverses it. Sal, Adam, and Justin break down a randomized controlled trial where 65-year-old women gained 3% bone density in 8 months just by lifting weights, share the story of a client who reversed osteoporosis so dramatically her doctor insisted on redoing the test, and explain the most common mistake active people make: training consistently while eating too little, which can cause bone loss no matter how hard you work. Sponsors & Links 🔗 Dose — Natural cholesterol supplement with clinical trial data: dosedaily.com/mindpump — use code MINDPUMP for 25% off 🔗 Crisp Power — 25–28g protein, 10g fiber pretzel snacks: crisppower.com/mindpump — use code MINDPUMP for 10% off 🔗 Seed Probiotics — World's best probiotic, proprietary capsule, no refrigeration needed: seed.com/mindpump — use code 25MINDPUMP for 25% off 🔗 MAPS Push Pull Legs (NEW) — Men & women's versions, at-home dumbbell option. 40% off: mapsppl.com with code PPL 🔗 Mind Pump Elite Trainer Academy — Build a 6-figure career in fitness: mindpumpfitnesscoaching.com 🔗 Apply to be a Mind Pump coach: mindpumpjobs.com 🔗 Submit a question to be coached live: MPlivecaller.com Find Us 📲 Instagram: @MindPumpMedia 💻 Programs, coaching & more: MindPumpMedia.com   00:02:15  How to Stop Bone Density Loss — The Strength Training Formula 00:03:02  Why Women Lose 20% of Bone Density in Menopause 00:04:00  Study: 65-Year-Old Women Gained 3% Bone Density in 8 Months of Lifting 00:05:56  Sal's Client Who Reversed Osteoporosis — The Doctor Who Couldn't Believe It 00:09:50  Why You Can Starve Yourself Into Osteoporosis Even While Lifting 00:11:33  The Prescription Nobody Talks About: Strength Training + Adequate Calories 00:14:57  Why a Broken Bone Can Kill You — Falls, Weakness & Mortality 00:16:14  One Day a Week of Strength Training Is Enough — Here's Why 00:17:20  Dose Clinical Study: 95% Improved LDL, 90% Improved Triglycerides 00:19:51  Natural Ingredients in Dose — Amla, Pomegranate, CoQ10, Turmeric & More 00:22:23  Saint Vitality of Gaza — The Monk Who Secretly Saved Prostitutes 00:25:10  Florida Man Story: Doctor Removes Wrong Organ, Patient Dies 00:28:31  Which Surgeon Has the Most Malpractice Claims? The Surprising Answer 00:29:54  Why Surgeons Are the F1 Drivers of Medicine 00:33:24  The Pit — ER Trauma Show Discussion 00:34:40  Being Left-Handed & the McDonald Triad — Serial Killer Trait Jokes 00:38:10  Boy Story: Setting Fires, Getting Beat, and Rambunctious Childhood 00:39:58  Why Discipline Is the Most Important Thing for Young Men 00:44:06  Batman Is Based on Teddy Roosevelt — The Stranger-Than-Fiction Story 00:46:32  Eating the Same Foods Every Day = 35% More Weight Loss 00:48:06  OkCupid Study: Bold Hair Colors Correlated with Higher Depression Rates 00:50:14  Dating Apps Are Declining — 5% of Men Getting 80% of the Matches 00:52:45  Crisp Power Review — Everyone at Mind Pump HQ Eats Them 00:57:03  Caller #1 — Randy: Followed Mind Pump for 8 Months, Lifts Up 50%, Can't Gain Weight at 4,200 Calories 01:11:19  Caller #2 — Melissa & Easton (13): Mom & Son Want to Train Together This Summer 01:20:55  Caller #3 — Tiffany: Hip Dysplasia, Arthritis, Hip Replacement in 8 Months — How to Prepare 01:36:05  Caller #4 — Heather: Athletic Training Degree, Wants to Become a Mind Pump Coach

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I'm talking right now, hit pause, head on over to mindpump store.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. On average throughout your life, ladies, you're going to lose between 30 to 50% of your bone density and fell us between 20 to 30% of your bone density. This is devastating.

here's the good news. There is a way to completely stop this process. In fact, many studies show reversal of bone density loss. We're going to talk about that right now. It's a simple formula. If you apply it, it will work. This is a whole lifetime? Whole lifetime.

Now, trip off this for women, a woman can expect to lose about 20% of her bone density as she gets into menopause. It kicks up fast. whereas for a man, it's a very slow process that speeds up towards the end. But this is a really big deal. This is actually very strongly connected to mortality. What's your theory on the menopause? Hormones.

Yeah, the change in hormone levels affects bone density for women. So hormones play a role, right? So if you put a woman on hormone replacement therapy, you tend to see an improvement. in bone density. Not a huge improvement, but you'll see an improvement. But there is something that makes a huge improvement.

Well, yeah, I know. That's why I was my follow-up question that is, it'd be interesting to, if you compare that to somebody who just simply lifted weights and hit protein, still hormonally all over the place going through. And I would imagine that even not with ideal hormone profile,

but lifting weights and hitting protein intake, I would bet would still do fairly well. Very well. So I got a study here. I pulled up a bunch of studies on how effective strength training is for bone density because there is nothing more effective. So movement exercise in general has a positive effect, but it's modest at best.

In fact, in some cases, like they'll use running as an example. and you'll see a little bit of an improvement in the lower body, but none in the upper body. So bone density loss continues to happen in the spine, upper body. Strength training is like the, is the antidote. So if bone density loss is poison, the direct antidote is lifting weights or strength training. And so they did a study for eight months. This is one study. There's lots of studies, but this is a randomized control trial with women who were around 65 years old.

Okay. So these women were already already 65 years old. Here's what they found in eight months. The women who did nothing saw their bone density go down in their lumbar spine by 1.2%. So in eight months, they already lost 1.2%. The ones that strength trained saw an increase of 3%. Wow. So not only did it stop.

More than a 1A. Not only did it stop the 1% loss. This is only 8 months, you guys. This is now we're talking about 5 years, 10 years. This is 8 months, they lost 1%. not only did it stop it, it went in the opposite direction. They gained three percent. So their hormones were shifting.

Do they test their sleep and all that as well? I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen anything connected to that. But this study was, were women with no hormone intervention. They didn't do anything with hormones. This is just a testament to what that does by itself. Just lifting weight.

Yeah, well, that's huge. Is what you've talked about. You tell the story many times about the lady that you, reversed osteoporosis with, right? I've had several, I've had several clients that I worked with. So much of the doctors were like, yes. Oh my God, how is this possible?

Yes. So I've had, I've had several clients that I've worked with, was blessed to work with because they were referred to me by doctors. And they were all osteopenia and osteoporosis, are the ones I'm referring to. And so they were being tracked through this process. Right. Imagine being the doctor who just did it, tracked,

saw that we lost 1% in the last eight months or whatever like that. And then all of a sudden, their next checkup, six months later, or whatever like that. So one of them was active. She walked all the time. She hiked all the time. She didn't do any strength training. She ate it a healthy diet. Her bone density loss was accelerating and the doctor was like, this is not, like,

we got to do something about this. And they put her on these really powerful drugs. I think Faza Max might be the name of it. Maybe Doug, you could look it up. Look up Fossa Max. I think that was the one. I remember it was like a infrequent shot she would take that would knock her out for like a couple days. Like she felt like garbage after taking it.

It was like an immune drug. And it just wasn't, is that it right there? Yes. How was that used? I'm trying to think of, is it a shot or is it like once in a while? It might have been something else. I'm not sure. But I remember it made her feel like garbage.

Yeah. Afterwards. Yeah, includes heartburn, nausea, constipation. Yeah. It might have been something else, though. There was something strong. It was really strong. I don't know if it was Phasmax or something worse.

But anyway, can't remember. I wish I could. But anyhow, her bone loss was so fast that it was like, I mean, it was scary. Yeah. Like for her, she was like, I'm going to break if I can't figure this out. So we started strength training once a week. I mean, that was it. She was a professor, wonderful woman.

And we just lifted weights once a week. And it looked like this, okay? like three exercises. Yeah. Like, and it started like this. Sit down, stand up off a bench.

You know, hold this two pound dumbbells straight up above your head and try to work on stability. Like it started super appropriate for her fitness and rate. And then we would slowly progress it, you know,

over time. And when she went to get her bone density test, and it wasn't that much later after we started. It was like six months or something like that. The doctor is like, we got to redo the test. This doesn't make any sense.

Like your bone density didn't just slow down. It went up. And he's like, this must be wrong. Let's do another one. He did another one. It came back and he's like, this is crazy. What are you doing? She's like, well, I'm strength training.

And I also worked on her diet, which we'll talk about. Yeah, well, we always talk about muscles growing and tissue growing, but we don't really talk about bone growing. That's the result of that as well. It's the same process. I'm trying to remember if it's Dr. Andrew Spina, you talked about like force being the communication of cells. that being the direct sort of impact

based upon what we're communicating to either grow or not grow. Yeah, no, totally. I think that was the medication there, Doug. Yeah, prolia, I believe it's called. What is it? Prolia. Prolia.

And yeah, that was like a once... Every six months or so. That's it. That's the one. And she would feel horrible. Look at the side effects. Yeah, the side effects. Back pain, bone pain, pain in the extremities.

That was the one right there. So anyway, her, the, the, the, improvement was so good. And then the doctor's like, oh, your strength training. You must be like lifting weights all the time. She's like, I go once a week. Sometimes I miss. So he gets on the phone with me.

And he's like, can I make it? I want to make this a case study because this is crazy to me. That's how effective strength training is. And that's, by the way, it's consistent. So anybody listening right now who wants strong bones, the prescription of strength training properly and eating adequate and eating adequate nutrition. Yeah. Okay.

You got to do that. is guaranteed to work. That last bit I think you have to reiterate because I've seen cases with young women who strength train consistently. But chronically under-eat. Chronically under-eat and bone density is really low. That's right.

And so it's not just straight. In fact, it's the appropriate amount of strain training paired with... You got to give your body nutrients to build. Yes. Yeah. Which I think... You could starve yourself into osteoporosis no matter what.

Which is both men and women, but I find this more common with my female client. Yes, because I've actually worked with women like this where they were in their 60s and they worked out. Bone density wasn't good. Lifting weights and they're like, why is this happening? But they were skinny. Yeah. And they had their whole life. They'll be supplementing with like calcium.

But yeah, their calories are still super low. Yeah, this woman, there's one I can think of right now that I was just recently talking to. And she's just one of those women that's always been afraid. of eating too much. Yeah. She's always dieted. Yeah. And I'm like, listen, you're doing everything right, but you're just not eating it.

I think she was eating like 14 her calories a day. Yep. I'm like, you got to get it to like 2000. And then watch what happens. Yeah. If you, the things that you do to build muscle or the protocol that builds muscle is the same protocol that builds bone. Yep.

Like, think of it that way. So if you're like, I want to strengthen my bones, strengthen your muscles. How do I strengthen my muscles? High protein, adequate calories. Don't under eat. Lift weights. And then watch what happens. But this is, it's so consistently effective, everybody.

Like, this is scary for some people. Like this, I'm sure there's people watching right now who just got a report from the doctor that is saying, hey, you're in osteopenia. Like, this is not good. And that's a scary thing to hear from your doctor. And so you're like, oh, my God, what do I do? And then what they'll do is present medications and, okay, try supplementing with this. And here's this thing.

And there's like, there's a guaranteed formula, everybody. Like this will work. It's not a question. If you lift weights properly and you eat adequately, you will see a positive impact on your bone density. Is there any like stats or data in terms of like women approaching paramedopause, menopause like earlier than, you know, past? Like it, just thinking in terms of like, you know, how like in terms of them like, you know, getting their period earlier and like the environment and stress and like I've just I've seen some

some stats like some kind of stats where they're talking about like that's happening a bit earlier so there's two things you're asking so one yes um girls are getting their periods earlier yeah in the past part of it is uh that we're overeating so um that's part of it um the other part of it uh is um father not being in the home there seems to be a correlation without having a male presence interesting really Yeah, well, there's an evolutionary explanation. I don't know if this is right, but it's like you are going to, you get pregnant earlier and you have these, you become sexual earlier because that's how you can maybe procure some safety.

That's the evolutionary possible explanation. But there's a connection there. But some of its diet, like they're overeating. And then early, early menopause or paramedopause is almost always connected to, poor, like not eating enough and overstressed. Uh-huh. So you'll see this like women who over-trained or who work crazy jobs or who have like high-stressed life plus under-eating, poor sleep, and then you'll see the hormones fall off.

I've just, I've seen a trend of earlier like like 30s, you know, like a lot early and I would have thought. Like that's the onset of it already. Is it possible to build muscle and not improve bone density? Uh, you know. If real actual tensile, like muscle fiber? No, I think they're directly connected. Right.

If there's more tension on the body. Right. If you build muscle, you're going to improve bone density. I guess possible with maybe myostatin drugs where the muscle just grows, but I don't, I don't know. That'd be problematic, though, right? Yeah. No, I don't think so. Imagine the be injured.

The reason why I say that is because that's an easier thing for people to potentially focus on. Yeah. Uh-huh. Right. Oh, yeah, because you could lift weights and see that you're stronger. Yeah. It's something that, exactly, they're getting like real-time feedback. You know, it's not, you don't think go to the doctor and get a, you know, or go bone density test every three to six months just so you can find out.

Am I doing the right things? It's like if you are feeding your body properly, getting stronger in your workouts, you're more than likely going to be improving bone density. Yes. And you know, the thing about this too is like when you look at causes of death, like the major causes are heart disease and cancer, right? Diabetes is up there because it leads to, it can lead to both. but what we don't see are falls and breaks and injuries that then lead to those things. So there's a saying in medicine. I remember I trained a lot of doctors and they said, you know, diabolia.

You know, if you break a bone and then you're incapacitated for a while and you're in your 70s, your health, it goes down to hill fast, like very quickly. and you see this. It's well observed, well documented. So the last thing you want to do is fall down and break something. And by the way, falling down and losing your balance is less about your vestibular system. Like it's less about the balance of the vestibular system and more about weakness. This is why people fall.

So yes, you can also lose your balance because of vertigo or, you know, the vestibular system being a bit off. that can definitely happen. But more often than not, when people fall as they age, it's because they're weak. And weakness leads to instability and loss of balance. And so when you see someone who's older fall, it almost looks like they can't catch themselves and their body doesn't move fast enough

and then they kind of tip over like a tree and hit the ground. And that's just, they're just not, they just don't have the strength. And so strength training is like imperative. When you look at all the factors, that affect us as we age. Like one day a week of strength training. This is the best part about it.

One day a week of proper strength training, miraculous. Two days a week, perfect. You're done. Well, you brought up a study before. It's like once every two weeks just to not lose muscle. Yeah, to just not lose muscle.

I mean, it's very minimal to that you have to do to actually see positive improvement. I can't stress, though, enough, the wit paired with the nutrition, because I just think that a lot of people gets overload. looked a lot. Yeah, especially with my female clients that have either yo-yo died their whole life or kept their calorie intake so low. I'm afraid of gaining weight. And so, and that's been the

challenge that I had as a trainer was like getting those clients to increase calories in conjunction with lifting weights. It's like, okay, we're doing the right things inside the gym. I know we are because I'm training you. But I also need you to go and go after those calories, go after that protein intake to make sure that we go build. Yeah. And so that's so important to this process. Totally. This is one of the reasons why I used to love training people and we used to classify in advanced age. We don't classify that anymore because you're in there.

What was that? Advanced age is for trainers was, what, 55 and older, right? I think that's what the training manuals would say. And Doug, you're in advanced age. What's up for that? The cotton top era. That's what we call them. Silver sneakers.

Yeah, there you go. All the people listening right now are just, it's pissed up on. Now, one of the reason why I like to train people in their late 60s, 70s, and up was, you know, it's so rewarding as a trainer to work with a client and to see them, you know, lose weight, become healthier, more fit, you know, they like the way they look. Like, it's so rewarding to hear that. But when I would train people in their late 60s and 70s, the stuff they would come back with was so life-changing. It wasn't like I lost 30 pounds. Like, that could be life-changing, too. But it was like, I can go up the stairs.

Yeah, it's the abilities that they regain. It's so encouraging. Yeah, I've had old clients like that where it's like, you know, now I can lift this and I can be independent and go to the grocery store. And, you know, they can do all these things now, like, and they're self-sufficient. Yeah, I've told you guys a story before. I'll never forget it. It was like almost got me emotional.

I had a woman that I trained in her 80s. And she walks in. And she was the condition when she hired me. Her daughter hired me to train. And we'd been working together at this point for, I don't remember how long as I get a couple of years. Very basic stuff, right? And again, late, I think mid to late 80s. And she walks into my studio and it wasn't a time that we were training.

And I'm like, oh, did I mess up on the schedule, whatever? I said, hey, what are you doing here? She's like, oh, I was grocery shopping next door. And I had to come in and tell you something. I'm like, what is it? She goes, I closed the trunk of my car by myself. for the first time. She goes,

I always have to ask the bagger to load it and close it. She's like, but I reached up with my arm and I was able to close it. And she came in to tell me that. Yeah. And I remember,

and I had other trainers in there. We all kind of, you know, applauded and everything. But, you know, it's like, what's the saying? You don't realize

how much you appreciate something until you don't have it. Yes. You know, it's like one of those simple things in life that we all probably take for granted until you don't have it

and you can't do it anymore. Totally. And so super rewarding when you give it back to a class. Yeah. All right. Speaking of health, Thug, bring up that study from DOS. This is really cool. What is it on?

So Dose is one of the companies we work with. They have two main products. One is for liver health. And the other one is for cholesterol. And what they did, and this is what I like about DOS, so a lot of supplement companies will sell products for particular things. Dose actually invested in a study, like a legit clinical study. So it's like, does it actually work? Here's what they found in their 90-day clinical study.

Read those results for me. Yeah, so LDL, 95% of participants had an improvement, triglycerides, 90% an improvement, and total cholesterol, 81%. Three months. Yeah. Three months of using- Just by supplementing that. With dose.

It's all natural. Read the ingredients, Doug. So, you know, people will go on a statin, you know, with all kinds of side effects and stuff like that. This is a natural product. What are those ingredients there, you know? So, yes, it's amla fruit extract, enacetol, pomegranate fruit extract, organic ginger, organic turmeric, coenzyme Q10, lycopene, black pepper extract.

Yeah, so, and you just take like a few ounces of it every single day. It's like two ounces, yeah. Two ounces of it every single day. And the odds, the high odds are you'll see an improvement. There's also niacin and folate. And all of those numbers. I mean, more than high, 90%. Yeah.

Isn't that great? That's a huge. I love it when companies put out studies because then you're just like, all right, is this going to work? It's like, yeah, dude, here, 90 days, give it a shot. Go get your blood test. Watch what happens. That's great. I always think it's so cool when we have, we have, those are all things found in nature.

Yeah. That's what it's awesome. I know. It's just ideal. Well, I think, too, when it comes to like certain things, like blood tests, there's just skepticism around supplements. It's like, okay, yeah, I know that supplements are good, but I think I need a medication. Well, my doctor says that's my point. It's just like we, we, normally you go to the doctor and.

Or like a radical change in your lifestyle. Yeah. Like this is just, you take, you know, a few ounces of this day. This gets downplayed all the time. You don't know the actual efficacy of it. That's right. I mean, I wonder what that, what those studies look like paired with some exercise. Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Do that with lifestyle change. It's like if that, that's just by, that's their study is just showing by adding that. It's like what happens when you add one day or two days of strength training per week and a walk every other day or something. Like that person probably, I mean, that number has to. I mean, of course, truth be told, I got people to improve their blood lipids without supplements, just exercise and diet. That's just a bigger thing to do. Yeah. That's all lifestyle change.

This is like super easy. Here, drink a little bit every day and see what happens. Yeah. It's red. Pretty cool stuff. I got, I read the coolest, kind of sad, but cool story today. So I've been going through and reading, let's see, I wrote it down. I've been going through and reading about people that were deemed saints by like the traditional churches, Catholic and Orthodox Church.

And there's this one saint, Saint Vitalis of Gaza. And his story is really wild. So this guy was a monk from a monastery near Gaza. So this was modern day Palestine. So this was a long time ago. In his old age, he worked as a day labor. and he would do really hard manual labor to earn wages. And every night, he would take his money and he would go and visit different brothels.

And he would hire a prostitute every night. Okay, that's what he did. Everybody on the outside was like, this is scandalous. Yeah, they're going to scoff at that. This is horrible. Who is this? How dare he be a month? He was doing it for her to do something else.

Dude. So he would go in and it was a different, you know, brothel night after night. He did it for, for a decade, for a long time. and eventually somebody killed him over it. So he got hit over the head and murdered because I thought he was a scandalous, horrible person. In reality, what he was doing was when he would be alone with these women in the room,

he would pay them. First, he'd give them money. And then he'd say, I've paid for this night so you can spend it without sin. And then he would encourage them to sleep and he would stay awake all night and pray over them. And he would do this every single night. And they didn't find out,

until his burial, his funeral. When many of these women came forward publicly and said he saved me, I got married, I became a mother, I was able to leave the brothel because of this man. So he became the same. But he lived his whole life, the whole town thing. He had that, yeah, stigma up until his death, people didn't know. No. What's crazy.

So wild that somebody wouldn't have found out beforehand. It's so weird. Because they wanted to keep it quiet. He wanted to keep it quiet, you know. They were just like, maybe they were afraid of the owners of the broth. Who knows? Some of the backlash. Yeah, what's cool about this is he, because I'm sure he knew,

everybody thought he was this horrible man, but without elevating himself and so you guys don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying to help these girls. He let himself be thought of as this piece of crap while protecting these women. Yeah. Interesting. Doing something like that. Isn't that crazy?

That is crazy. I know. I read that story. I was like, man. That's cool. That's super rare to find. Super rare. Super, super rare.

Anyway, I got a Florida doctor story. Florida doctor. And it always starts with Florida. I know that what we did the other day was hilarious where we just pulled up the day. And your birthday? What was it? My favorite pastime. Probably has.

It's been a while. We should do Dylan's birthday. Let's see what Dylan comes up with. What was it? It was Florida man. And then your birthday. And then your birthday. Yeah.

Or just the date. The month and the day. What's your month and day for your birthday? February 28. So February 28. Florida man. Let's see what, let's see what Dylan. I remember who was the worst? Was yours Justin? I'm pretty sure it was my. Yeah. Yeah, it's some real douche.

Florida man ends a standoff for a slice of pizza. That's not bad, dude. So there was a doctor in Florida who was supposed to, I'll pull up, just make sure I get the right details. He was supposed to remove a person's spleen. and instead removed his liver. What? And the guy died. What?

Wow. Yeah, dude. How does that happen? Dude, it's rare, but it happens. You know, that happens, too, when people get amputated limb? Oh, yeah. I've actually heard people mark themselves before surgery because of that. They actually do that in surgery.

Yeah. So they'll mark the, they'll have several people marked the light. Don't cut. Emphasize the good one. Yeah. Keep me. Yeah. You imagine going in there you're supposed to remove your right leg.

You're, like, sad about it. Imagine you wrote. How do you get the wrong organ, dude? That's a whole different thing. That's a whole different thing. Like, the limb one almost makes sense. Does he refer to the charting was wrong or like, like, how does that? I don't know, dude, that's messed up.

Yeah, the limb makes sense because in the chart says, like, right. And you're like, you're facing them and you think to your right or something like that or something silly. You got to lose your license for that. But like the wrong organ is like. What are you doing? I don't know about you guys, but if I take my car to the mechanic and they do something wrong,

I'm furious, dude. Oh, yeah. Something like this, bro. Well, it's tough, dude. I mean, that just happened? Yeah, it just happened. It's like a big deal. Of course that's a big deal.

Of course that's always risky, man. There's always things like that happened. What do you say? I actually feel, I mean, I know the doctor. How old is the guy, do you know? I feel bad for the... That's better, but I think... I know.

Imagine the doctor, like, after he finds out. Yeah. Well, especially if it's obviously unintentional. You remember that feeling you got when you were a kid, when you got caught, like, your parents caught, and you're like, oh, my God, they fell out. And that dread feeling? Yeah.

Multiply times a million. You're responsible for that? Oh, man. This guy's like, oh, oh, I just. I mean, what do I do? Yeah. I mean, well, you're fired right after that? You're done.

Oh, yeah. Of course you're going to lose. Yeah, you know, I mean, and also probably you get mega sued, right? I mean, you got insurance and stuff that I think covers that. Doesn't it cover some? Well, malpractice. Well, a lot of hospitals. There still has to be a lawsuit, I'm sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, malpractice will go through that. But I would just, I mean, what do you do? I think I'd hide. A doctor is personally covered in a situation like that? They have malpractice insurance. Yeah.

They have to be insured. Yeah. Yeah, dude. No, I get that to be insured, but I didn't realize like, like a, like a. For, for mistakes, negligence. So malpractice is the main, basically. And it, okay, and then it covers even like death. Which, make a mistake and kill somebody?

Which medical practice has the highest malpractice? I think in California. it's OBs. Oh, really? Yes, because I think that they're... You think it'd be cosmetic. No, I think it's OBs because they're responsible for... I think they're responsible up until the kid is 18

for things that can be tied back to the delivery. Oh, interesting. I think that's in California, if I'm not mistaken. Interesting. Yeah, so, but... All the way up until 18. I believe so. I trained an OB and I'm...

That's wild. And I think she told me that hers... I wonder how often that somebody comes back 17 years later and's like, we've... Well, it looks like my autism was connected to what you did when I was born or something like that. Wow, look at that. What is it? Neurosurgery and thoracic cardiovascular.

Highest annual malpractice claim rates. Oh, wow. Okay, so OBs and general surgery also have the highest surgery. Nearly 19% of these specialists facing claims yearly. That's rough. That's almost a quarter of them are yearly facing claims? Wow. Well, I mean, that's about what you're doing.

Imagine the, well, no, of course. It's probably the, isn't that the most? I mean, it is brain surgery. Risky. Yeah. It's risky surgery. It's risky as it gets. Yeah.

Yeah, dude. I don't know about you guys, but when I meet, you know, I know, I know, like, I don't know. I think sometimes, especially in our space, people talk about doctors in particular way. When I meet doctors, especially surgeons, I'm like, for me, it's like, it's like a celebrity. I don't mean that like, I'm like, oh, you're like, I mean, that's like, man, you're doing it. Oh, it's incredible. Yeah, dude. They're so skillful.

I mean, for me personally, it's automatic respect. Yeah. Automatic respect. Well, isn't that what? I mean, surgeons are like the, you know, F1 drivers of the medical field, right? Yeah. I mean, when you think of like F1 racing is like the pentacle of racing, is like there's only 20 in the world that make it to that level. It's like that would be surgeons for the medical field.

Yeah. I mean, it doesn't get higher as far as the technical skills. You know, within surgeons, this is going to get some heat. Within, within them, there's also different respect range. rankings among. Yeah, right. I mean, you've talked about this before about what they say about like orthopedic. I think orthopause at the pros, right?

I think they're like the bros. I think they're like bros. Is that like scrubs? Now, is that, does that have to do with how low of risk in comparison? If you're dealing with, I don't know if it has to do with life.

I mean, it makes sense for that. I think it's because they're all. Vascular brain, I mean, these things like, that's high risk, right? Organ stuff. Like, if you're dealing with like knee, shoulder,

ankle. No. Like you're, this is not like, I don't know. I don't know if it has to do with the complexity of the surgery. Look at it. Or if it has to do with the fact that they're,

why, why? I've known a lot of orthopods and they're all, they're all, they're all like, they cycle, they bike, they lift.

Kind of buff guys. Yeah, so I think maybe that's what it is because they got that reputation. I don't know if you not search that. What is it? Do you want specifically? Search why. Which surgeon has the least,

which, no, like, like, I mean, I think you were already say like, like, how you would Google this better than I would help Doug here like this is among doctors which

types of surgeons get the most and least respect there you go there you go put that up there you go I just remember watching knee surgery and it looked like like Thanksgiving car oh bro I watched mine I watched mine like and I swear to God I use this is the tools I swear to God I did not have I had 50% of the pain I had pre watching the video after I had the video my pain increased because I saw how they went in there. And you like associated it with that. And you watched him just like jabbing away and everything like, oh. And then I remember my knee.

And this whole laparoscopic thing like, oh, we'll just send you home the next day. I remember getting that, you know, done when they removed my adrenal gland. It was like, yeah, no big deal. It was for them was a no big deal. But then like, oh, man, the next few weeks, I was like, all right. So here's the surgeon. This is according to what is this AI. Surgeons with the most respect or prestige.

neurosurgery, cardiothoracic surgery, plastic reconstructive surgery. Orthopedic, often seen as the jocks of the medical field, technically demanding, high paying, very competitive to enter. Okay. Trauma surgery, duh. And then with less perceived perceived procedure,

general surgery, vascular surgery. Vascular surgery? Yeah, well, they work with a lot of old, like your population, where urology and E&T. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, interesting.

I would love to be in that space just because every space has their, you know, politics and... So interesting that trauma was where it was at, but yet it's badassery factory, surgery that requires high-level skills at 3 a.m. It would be trauma emergency, and so it doesn't get as much prestige.

That's weird. No, that's highest... Holds high prestige. High prestige. Bad assery factor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, trauma to me is a trip.

Imagine you're... Well, that's what that one show... That one show that... We got a gunshot wound. That they recommended to us to watch. I can only watch... like a couple episodes and I couldn't watch it anymore. I was the name of that episode.

It was highly stressful to watch. Yeah, it's rated really high. It's, and it is good, but it's tough. It's not a show you, or at least I am with you, Doug. I can't watch it at night. It just, it's so intense. I feel like if you work in trauma for a living, everyday life has got to be so flat.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It has to be, right? Because you start to regulate. You say that, but I get to smoke cigarettes. I did. Dude, I trained, I trained, hold on. I trained a, why am I not,

a cancer surgeon. Oncologist, okay? Who smoked. Yeah. And I remember I took him aside and I'm like, because we became friends, right? And they know, right? And I took, he's a friend of mine.

And I'm like, I'm like, dude, I'm like, I got just, how are you smoking, bro? You're like, you're a cancer doctor. Yeah. And he goes, it's the stress. Yeah. He's just so stressful. Yeah.

And I remember being like, oh. I mean, yep. You can't really argue with that. Yeah, that show is called The Pit. The Pit. That's right, the Pit. Yeah, I started watching that thing, and it was so stressful to watch. Yeah, yeah.

It just wasn't my thing. I felt the same way, too. But people love it. I mean, it was good enough to pull me in for a couple of episodes. And then I realized the same thing, too, I couldn't calm down and sleep. And so I can't watch it at night, which is when I watched it. You get affected by movies really easy. They do.

You can watch someone? I cannot watch someone. Oh, bro. I can watch the most terrible. You've seen me do this. I can watch the most. terrifying, anxiety-inducing thing. Turn it off.

Go right to sleep. My wife thinks there's a psychotic. As I say, I think that makes you more likely to be a serial killer than me. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but you're left-handed, so. Yeah, dude.

Is that increasing? Oh, yeah, what are the stats? What are the stats? It's left-handedness? Left-hand and bedwetters and then... You did, bro? No, I wasn't in bed. Yes, you were.

Abused animals. You said you poop to bed. No, I didn't have poop to bed. You said you said poop a bed. You said, it's totally different. dog totally different oh my bad I always bring the snap up to like

yeah Courtney's family because there are a lot of left-handers it's pretty funny left-handed makes someone more likely there's no evidence see bro you do crap that's not true what but I bet if you watch

high stress shows right before bed has to put you up there I think AI is trying oh oh baloney dude okay hold on some studies in behavioral biology have suggested that because left-handers may have a frequency dependent advantage in confrontational one-on-one or violent situations, a surprise factor, there could be a highly, this, get out of here.

What are we even talking about? Dude. Because you're a south paw? Yeah. The more successful. Someone has too much time on their hands. So antisocial personality disorder. Adams used to, his social media handle was, we love to hate Adam.

Not saying that. Superficial charm. There's something there. You are pretty charming. It's very charming. It's real charm. Need for controller power. I'm just going to leave that one.

Talk about that one real quick. Childhood abuse. Oh, bro. It's getting sad, dude. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is getting real sad. Oh, dude.

Please don't be a serial killer. Go away. No way. This is hilarious. The McDonald's triad? What's that? Childhood are now. Yeah, look up the McDonald's.

Now, Justin was a bully, though. I don't believe that. You were a bully, though, Justin, you were a bully. I was a bully. make you more likely. Because I got bullied, dude. And then I was bullying the bully. There's got to be a, there's got to be a quiz.

There's got to be a quiz that we could all take that we could put in there. To see who's the most likely? Yeah, yeah, it would kick that off. So look at this. This is the triad. Animal cruelty. Oh, yeah. Fire setting.

Oh, and bedwetting. Interesting that bed wedding would be up there. But they put left handed in that cat. I remember seeing that. I read that, dude. So I never had, I never animal cruelty. I was not. Me either.

Definitely. I didn't have repeat my bed. Not once in my life. Not once in your life? But I used to set things on fire, dude. I think we all did. I think every boy likes fire. I tortured insects.

What is that? They're not animals. That's different. Yeah, that's not an animal. Insects. Yeah, yeah. You used to burn ants with magnifying glass. You didn't, you didn't.

You're not a boy. They're not animals, dude. They don't have souls. I mean, it did the frogs too. I felt a little bad. Frogs are closer to animals. Yeah, you are pushing. One in a rocket and lit it.

Whoa. blew it up. Whoa, dude. Justin, we should. These are things we should keep. We're not gaining any sympathy here. These are things you should not share. Okay.

One time my cousins and I, we were being watched by my great uncle. So he's like really old at this point. So he's just sitting in a chair and watch TV. I don't know why the mom's thought it was good idea to leave us with him. And there was a bunch of us boys. And we were not, we were like rambunctious kids. And we'd go in the backyard and we'd light things on fire while two or three of us held a hose and would put it out like firefighters?

and we just kept doing this. And we made a big ass fire once. And we, like, put it out. We were, like, real scared. And then someone came up with the idea of, hey, go tell, go tell uncle that there's a fire. And just, like, let's just see what he does, right? So we call him and he runs out.

He's old, dude. So he's, like, kind of coming out, whatever. And we just hosed him down, dude. With the hose? Yeah, dude. We got beat, dude. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

No, our moms came home. He was wet. He didn't get dressed because he was old. So he sat cold all day while we were outside realizing what we did. We're like, oh, we're going to get in trouble. And our moms had us sit in chairs. So we had all the boys sit in it. And then they tied us together.

And they went around a circle and just hit us. They tied you together. We had to stay in the chairs. Why is it that most young men have gone through a stage or a phase of their life where that was like a common thing where you just. Setting things on fire? Well, it's not. even just that, just like, being destructive or doing things that are just, I think we want to know

the line. Yeah, it's an interesting thing because it's like violence is definitely in our nature, but it's like how you control it, you know, and I think that's why it was good for me to have sports and it's good for me to have like high impact sports especially. Yeah. Because I lean high on the violence side and I had to be able to channel that into something more healthy, productive for society. You know, it's like, kept me out of jail. Well, I think that, who is it that? I heard someone talk about this about for what's really important for young men, like an important thing that they have to develop is discipline.

Because a grown man with no discipline is hedonistic, violent. He has power that he utilizes to get people to do what he wants. Or he can be manipulative, but more likely not see other ones. So a man, a boy that grows up that learns to, control his outbursts, that learns to control his desires, that's what makes a boy into a man. Otherwise, you have a wild dude, which is not good for society at all. Yeah. Which I feel like there's a lot of teenage boys is what happens, right?

That's right. When you go through that rush of testosterone and everything else that's like hitting you all at the same time. Yeah. What's also, and by the way, men know this inherently. We know this as grown men. When we're around, like, have you guys ever been around a dude? that is legit, like, tough. Either a big guy, athlete, or, you know, a fighter,

and you've seen them be in a situation where they totally controlled themselves. They couldn't. Yeah, yeah. And how much instant respect do they get from every guy? Yeah. Rather than lashing out and, you know. Yeah, this is the one of those get respect.

They get, exactly. Yeah, but can you, I'm trying to take myself back to, like, teenage years when you were getting into trouble like that and seeking that stuff, like, what was going through your head? Like, what was going through my head at that? at that age. Like that's exciting. Is that what it is?

Yeah. You know, like, test your own, test your own strength or whatever. Like, what, I mean, what is that? Frustration, I think, for me and just, you had all the pent up anger. Yeah, this guy. Yeah. Unleashed for people. He laughed.

Yeah, I think justice was different. Yeah. Yeah. It was different. I learned how to like turn that more into, like, humor and, like, see more humor and things. of like, instead of like, turn into violence. But yeah, I think it's,

I think that's, yeah, it's just a formative time. Like, you have to kind of work through a lot of this, like, a big emotional, you know, surges and, like,

how to, how to, like, how to, like, how to, like, I think that varies from everybody. Yeah. I, for me,

I was, I did get a lot of fights, but it was only because, um, I, I really had this really deep sense of, like, if I saw something that I felt was,

like, mean, or like injustice. That's such a broad term. Yeah, if I saw someone getting picked on or I saw a guy like kind of just impose himself, then it was something inside of me that was like stir. And it would burn and burn and burn.

And then eventually I'd pick a fight with them. And so that was that. That would only bother me if it was like part of my, my inner circle. Yeah, like I connect a lot with, like your tribe. Yeah, you know the, what's the movie? Goodwill hunting.

Yeah, yeah. With the, the, the, the, the, they're tight. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like that, I think, and I think that has a lot to do with, like, seeking a family outside of, like, your family. Oh, wow. Right. And so I think that's where that comes from. And so I think back to, like, the more I'm sitting here and, like, trying to ponder on, like, what is it that, you know, got me into that trouble and stuff like that.

A lot of that was, like, standing up for your, quote-unquote family. That wasn't your family. Yeah. Most of the time it was, like, sticking up for somebody else. Yeah. I'd get in those situations. Because otherwise, I wouldn't really get in those situations, you know? It was like, somebody would start.

something and it was like oh no no for me was there was always that but then there was always like i'd even know the person i would just see someone doing something and then i'd leave it because it's none of my business and then it would burn inside of me and then what i would do eventually is i would seek out a way to instigate something with that person oh interesting yeah so then they wouldn't even know why but i'm starting something with you either the shoulder bump you or i grab your drink and throw on the ground or throw the basketball at your face and it starts you know why but i'm starting something with you i'm something with you. In fact, I still have that feeling.

Like, if I'm driving, I don't do anything anymore. But if I see someone aggressively cutting people off, they get this feeling inside where I'm like, I'm going to go cut him off. Yeah, I'm going to go show him. And then I'm like, in my head, I'm like, what am I doing this? Do you think you are Batman? Blacks, dude.

Calm down, dude. Oh, speaking of Batman, do you guys know who that's based off of? I think I'll tell you guys that. It's based off. Teddy Roosevelt. Yeah. Batman is? Yeah.

I didn't know that. Yeah, he used to walk the streets of the Billy Club at night. And, like, he'd do it, like, without anybody knowing. And then obviously somebody, like, picked up on it. But, yeah, he'd, like, go down to the streets and, like, fight crime. Dude, Teddy Roosevelt's got the craziest stories. So he's the one that wrote that famous speech. Man in the arena?

Man in the arena. Yeah. He was, who's, like, the sickly kid, had asthma. And he basically exercised and worked out. and himself out of it. And then he would seek out crazy dangerous situations. Like he would,

he enrolled in the military to fight in a war. He put himself at the front line. He charged forward. He learned judo. He would practice wrestling in judo in the White House. He'd invite people over to wrestle them. And then he,

when he was police, I think was a police chief before he became president, if I'm not mistaken. He would go out at night in a disguise and he'd fight, try to fight crime. Is that what it is?

Yeah, he worked with the, to reform the police department. Anyway, interesting, interesting story about that guy. I didn't know that was. He's the one that got shot, right, while he was giving a speech? Yeah, and didn't it hit like a notepad or something? No, it got in him and he finished a speech. Oh, that's what it happened. Yeah, so according to this, the original 1939 Batman was inspired by figures like Zorro and Shadow.

However, like Christopher Nolan took inspiration when he did the Dark Night. So that's the connection. From Teddy Roosevelt. Okay. And he was shot, right? while giving a speech. Is that the right guy? Yeah, let me look.

He, like, got shot, and then he's like, I got to finish the speech before I go get to the doctor. I thought it went into something. I thought it went into, like, a notepad or, like, the bullet didn't fully.

Is that what happened? Yeah, I thought, I don't know. Could be wrong. Bullet speech. No, he was bleeding. Yeah, dude. Oh, yeah. And then he sent it into the crowd.

It takes more than a bullet to kill a bull. A bull moose. Uh-huh. They don't make them like that anymore, do they? No, they don't. Yeah.

Kind of cool. interesting but anyway I got a pre-corruption yeah I got an interesting study for you guys so I don't know I don't think you guys will be surprised this might make people I was surprised that we talked about the study that I sent over to you I didn't realize

that you brought that up yeah we did I didn't realize that yeah yeah you remember that Justin the Max Lugavir yeah yeah were eating the same thing every day I didn't know I didn't know that was like Max brought that up but I didn't realize it so okay now we got to talk about so the study compared they followed a bunch of people and people who tend to eat the same thing every day lost more weight than

people who didn't 35% yeah but this is what you're doing with that is you're you're you're you're selecting people who prep oh I thought it didn't tease that out like I thought it was like just pure like it like you could prep too but you just prep different stuff versus people that actually just prep the same thing people who tend to prep tend to prep the same stuff yeah also eating the same thing over and over again uh it reduces palatibility so you're you're going to you're going to have as much hunger and cravings. It also improves consistency, too. That's right.

So it's like, if I know that's 550 calories, I know that's 5005 calories because I've, you know what I'm saying? This is why a whole food diet causes weight loss. It's less palatable. Now, if you want to make it even more less palatable, here's what you do. Take a whole food diet. Limit yourself to four foods, eat those only. And I guarantee your calories drop because it's boring.

Yeah. You just eat less as a result. Well, when you go to novelty, you get those fluctuations to the, yeah, kind of throw you all over the place. That's right. Yeah, a consistent calorie amount. Yep. All right, I got a study for you guys

that might make people angry, but whatever. Okay. It's obvious. I think you guys might find this obvious. So there was a study that was conducted. They analyzed more than 18,000 OKCupid users. Okay.

And they discovered... Is this a dating site? Yeah. OKupid is dating site. Oh, okay. I think, right? Yeah, I think. Is that one of the ones you're on?

No, I'm not on that way. He did pretty fast right there. He was pretty quick to that answer. Yep, that's right. Yep. Did you know, Google that. Yeah, yeah, don't look into it, though. Don't search Doug Egy on there.

No one need to search that. He's got a secret name on there. Yeah. That was way too fast, dog. Hey, I've heard of these things. I've heard of Match.com. I've heard of plenty of fish. You knew that cougar bar was.

Oh, yeah. He knew right away. The blue fendenton. Oh, yeah, the cougar bar. Yeah. That's a good one. I did know where that one was. They have a picture.

hit that one up. All right. So, so, so this was what this study, 18,000 people, they discovered a correlation between unconventional hair colors and increased, uh,

reported instances of depression. So people who tend to dye their hair. Is that a nice way of you say blue hair? Yeah. Yeah, you dye your hair. People who tend to dye their hair in bold colors. Blue, pink, green, purple,

uh, maybe more likely to report mental health. Yes. Yeah. I took a study for that. That's a pretty funny thing. Yeah. You ever see the meme?

Are those on the rise still? Or do you think they're on the decline? I think they're on the decline. What? Dating sites. Oh, dating sites. Yeah. They were so popular and they exploded.

And I think they've slowed down. Let me see. Yeah, I'm looking at Doug because I'm like, you're the Google guy. Yeah. He's looking at me like, now he's pretending. I don't know. Let me chuck. Well, I've been using them more than ever.

question Adam. Let me Google that. He's got stars. Hold on. Let me swipe real quick. Yeah. Are they on, are they becoming more or less popular? Yeah. I think less popular. Let's see. Yes. Yes. Massive growth.

Oh, in the past decade. Boy, recently. Long-term growth grew nearly sixfold between 2010 and 2020. But there's a recent trend. Wait, scroll up a little bit. Up up. Up. Like this.

No, it says that there was a little burnout at the upper of the paragraph towards the top, Doug. Oh, okay. Right there it says, while usage surged during the pandemic and remains high, recent trends in 2025 suggest potential user burnout and a growing desire for alternative in person. Yep. You know what's happening? It's coming back. It's also what it's happening is a very small percentage of men are getting all the attention. I know.

We've talked about this already. So we've now. It's becoming like polygamy. We've now figured this out that it's. Forget, I wish that that stats crazy. If you're like a high value, you know. The stat on this is insane that I saw, too, which is like a small percentage of the men get like 80% of the women. Well, check this out.

So, and this is, so when women say what they're looking for. Yeah. See, watch this. Doug, look this up. One percentage of men are six foot to start. Six foot tall and it makes $100,000. It's less than 5%. In America.

Watch. I think it's 4%. Just that right there. Yeah, yeah, just that alone. And then if we add in like, you know, 50%. 15% body fat. It gets down to life. There's like five dudes.

Let's see what this percentage is. Have good teeth. All right. We're getting an answer here. 3.6 to 4.5%. So women who are like, he's got to be six foot tall and make 100 grand. You're looking at about 4% of the men. Which I think that it coincides with the stat that I was going to have,

Doug look, which is I think 5% of the men, like 80% of the women on the side. So top 10 to 20% of men receiving 80% to 90% of the likes on these type of sites. Yeah. Did I ever tell you guys the fail that I did once to my wife? Because I thought it was going to be funny, but totally just tanked. I listed all my stats. Yeah. High body fat.

I do this at Katrina. Bro. Hey, what are the odds? I had, I had layers to that, bro. So last night, I came home and cooked dinner and then clean the house. Oh, dang. Yeah, yeah, right, after that. And then I add to that stat.

Six foot three. How many guys make this much money this tall, do this, cook for you, clean. What was the percentage of you? It's very low, dog. Very, very low. She's lucky. You tell you that? You're so blessed.

You hit the lottery, man. That's how I presented it too, I think. You're so blessed. It didn't work, you guys. You didn't feel blessed. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Anyway.

So, we're going to do. to mention crisp power, which in the studio here is that, it has to be the most commonly used product that we work with, right? I see everybody eating them. Even amongst the staff. Everybody. That's a good question. It's got to be Chris Power.

Is that what you're talking? I see Dylan eating him. Eli eats them all time. Doug eats them all time. Trainers eat them all time. Does Eli eat? I don't ever see Eli eat. He does eat, dude. He does he eat? He does he eat? You know what? Never see him. All I see him do is work. Yeah. He's a very hard work. We have to feed him. Yeah. He's very hard work. But Adam will always make him feel like he needs to work hard.

Eli, he works hard enough, bro. Everybody crushes them all the time in here. Yeah. All the time. Do you have a favorite dollar? It's a super convenient. The cheddar. Oh, you're a cheddar guy.

Justin. I like cheddar. Big cheese guys. You're still the everything bagel? I mean, I like a lot of them, though, dude. Everything. I like the fire one. They're 25 to 28 grams of protein in a bag.

It's like eating a bag of chips, except it's a hell of protein. I honestly, I think there's only. one flavor. I don't care of that. The cinnamon one's not my favorite. Oh, because it's sweet. Yeah, just doesn't, to me... What if you had them to a bowl of milk? I thought about that, actually, the other day. You thought about that. I thought about... You're making a cereal out of it and seeing what it would taste like.

Holy cow. That's delicious. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. But then it might get soggy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if those that's a good idea or not for it. But I mean, considering that how many flavors they have, and there's only one that I don't like. The flaming ones pretty good. I love the... I love the mall. They always had those cinnamon, sugar, you know, pretzels. So I guess that was what they were thinking with that. Did you like it?

Do you like the cinnamon one? Yeah, I don't mind it. I mean, it's not my top one. Definitely cheddar is my top one. I like them if I'm in the move for something sweet. I know it's not a great commercial for them, but what's your least favorite? I know. Actually, everything.

I'm not a seed guy, so I'm not like the. Oh, I like that. Yeah. Everything bagel, the cheddar and the flaming are super good, too. Sesame is good. I like the sesame seed one. So yeah, it's only, it's literally only the, I think it's sesame seed one. I thought it was.

All right. So here's a question. No, no. Here's a question then for you guys, because you guys eat them the most. Yeah. Because it's high in protein, does it produce more satiety than if you, let's say, ate a bag? Do you notice it? Yeah, yeah.

So you eat it and you feel like it. Yeah, I've actually tried. I'm doing with a bag. I'm actually going to. I've actually tried eating two bags of it. I don't want to. So it's because of the protein. Yeah.

Oh, one's enough. If you gave me regular pretzels, I could eat a bag twice that size. Easy. Oh, easily. Yeah. Yeah. A few bags. What do you pull up there?

Yeah, it is sesame. It is sesame. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where I got. Yeah. And how's the fiber in those? Are they pretty good?

Oh, the fiber is actually good. It's high fiber. It's also high fiber. They say it's, I think, I don't recall exactly 30%. High protein, high fiber, low carb. I think it's like 30% of your daily recommended. They're in Costco now, right? Are they?

Yeah. Yeah. That company's crushing. Oh, they've blown up. Ever since they started doing commercials with us. That's what we tell them. Yeah. The mind pump.

Yeah. 10 grams of fiber. Wow. Yeah. Of course it's going to produce satiety. See, this is good because when you eat a tasty snack, what you don't want is also just to overeat the hell out of it. Yeah, it's to increase your craving.

But this because it's protein and fiber, you get your protein. No, Justin's so right. One bag, you're good with it. And I intentionally have tried to eat two. And I could do it if I, like, make myself do it. But I don't crave it. Where other snacks like that, like... Over eat.

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Our first caller is Randy from Oklahoma. What's up, Randy? What's happening? doing, Randy? Mind pump. How are you guys doing? Good, man. Good.

How can we help you? Good. I started a gratitude practice earlier this year and not get a chance to thank you all in person. Really privileged for that. I've been trying to lose fat since 2016, as in 10 years ago, 2016. And it seemed like no matter what I did, no matter who I followed, I always ended up right back where I started, which was just fat and weak and frustrated. And I had gotten to the point where I was about to decide that my body was

just impervious to exercise until my wife sent me a mind-pumped episode about eight months ago. And after that, I changed up my routine. I dropped the volume, added some rest periods. I up my calories by about a thousand over the course of like probably about two weeks. And by week two, I was already seeing some changes in my body. After three months, my big lifts were up by about 50%. And now everything is better post. mind pump. So energy is up, strength is up. I'm 46 and I'm seeing definition for the first time

in my life. And I can't seem to gain weight, which is incredible. So for all that, thank you very much. Awesome. You got it, dude. What's your question? How can we help you? Yeah. So when I went through doing all these things, following your advice, I figured if I actually buy a Maps program that, you know, I'm going to start to see, you know, changes that are going to make me look like a Greek statue by the time all this is said and done. And so I bought the map Super Bundle back in November. I ran Anabolic all the way through, trigger sessions and all. And I was a little disappointed when all was said and done because it seemed like those

body changes stopped all through the program. I took it through and about halfway through phase three. My wife was talking to me and she was like, you know, you seem like you were doing a little better before, which I got to be honest with you, that stunned a little bit. And so then after anabolic, I went back to what I was doing before, which was mostly three by five program, six or seven compound lifts and then throwing in a few like bicep curls, tricep, tricep exercises. And all of a sudden, those strength gains just exploded again. Body changes started back up again. So my question for you is what the hell?

Yeah. So in your email it says you also increase. your calories after following maps, Anabolic? I did. So I increased my calories before Anabolic. I was 2,400 before I started anabolic. By the time I got to anabolic, I was up to about 3,400. And since

Anabolic, I've bumped those calories again. At this point, I'm actually up to about 4,200. Still can't seem to gain weight, which is kind of awesome, to be honest with you. I don't mind that at all. And I'm back to, you know, running those three by fives. Here about three or four weeks ago, I actually moved to kind of a, like a Maps reverse performance Anabolic 15, just kind of something I'd put together from various exercises from your programs and sticking to that 15 to 20 minutes a day.

And that seems to be working well for me as well. So pretty much so far, everything that I've gleaned from you except for Maps Anabolic has done wonders for me. And you did, I'm assuming you did the three-day-a-week version of Maps Anabolic when you followed it? I did. Yeah. The volume is just too high for you. Yeah.

So it sounds like. Yeah. For a lot of people, MAPS Anabolic is going to be appropriate volume. But sometimes it's too much, especially when you get into phases two and three, which is probably when you started to feel some of those effects. So phase three.

Yeah. So volume is sets and sets weight in reps. Okay. So three sets of 20 reps is, typically going to register as more volume or damage or require more recovery than three sets of five. And so oftentimes if the volume is too high, a person will go back down to lower reps, same sets, even though the weight is heavier, and they'll start responding better again. And so now you're doing something like a couple lifts a day, it sounds like?

Yeah. So here, about for the last three weeks or so, I've been doing just a couple lifts a day, sometimes three, but really no more than 20 minutes at the gym. And then plus, you know, doing some, I might step on the treadmill or something like that. Yep. So now it sounds like you're hitting about appropriate volume. Yeah.

And just, you know, I just want to highlight how easy it is to do more than is necessary for the body. So even though MAP's anabolic, oftentimes people follow it, love it. For in many cases, some cases, you'll see, especially as people get into middle age or if they have other stresses. Like, for example, I'll have a woman call in and, you know, she's postpartum, or somebody's calories are low, or they're sleeping as a little off, or they have other responsibilities. We'll send in a MAPS 15, and they'll get better results. So just curious what the rest of your, what's your day, look?

Are you a pretty busy guy? What's the size? Because the fact that you can eat 4,000 calories and train on that volume and not put bad weight on is actually impressive in itself. That's a really good sign. Yeah, so I'm six foot. 237 right now. And that weight has not fluctuated by more than about a pound and a half since I started listening to you all. And it seems like, I mean, you know, I just keep ramping up those calories up, up, up. And I keep thinking I'm going to hit that point where I get on the

scale and I see the weight actually go up, but it just doesn't move. I do get my 220 grams of protein per day. I do creatine. I take about 13,000 steps per day. Mostly that's, That's not related to my work. As you can see, I'm just in an office here. But I do try to get out pretty regularly and get those steps in. And I get about seven hours of sleep a night. That's good. That's good, bro.

That's really good. 13,000 steps is a good amount of move. You're moving good. You're active. The average American is only moving 4,000. So it's like, you've got to be a big guy and you got to be moving quite a bit if you're eating 4,000 calories. And you don't see that scale move. That's a really good sign.

What are the lifts that you, because how long have you been doing like consistently strength training now, where you're seeing like good progress and feel like you're doing things right. Yeah. So strength training as you would define it would be since I started listening to mind pump in August. So this has only been for eight months for me. Before that, I definitely did, you know, a lot of programs where I was lifting weights, but never anything with more than 60 to 90 seconds of rest. And, you know, when I started to add that three minutes of rest, it was like magic.

It was just awesome. And it seems like any time I go away from it. that three minutes, then, you know, things just don't quite work out. Yeah, yeah. You're building, I mean, you're building your metabolism. This is a great example of how that works. So the reason why I asked you that is, and give me an idea of what your, what your, your lifts look like now, like your squat, deadlift and bench, because I have some ideas for

you. Yeah. So my, so I don't really try to do a PR for a single rep, but I have tried to do like some three by fives and things like that to check. My deadlift, I can do 285 on a three, by five. My squad is, I think up at 235. It's up to 255 now.

Wow. And chest press at 180. All those are the three by fives. Perfect. Bro, you're moving good weight too. So here's what I'm going to encourage you to do now. So now you're going to start to get into soon. You're going to get into a place where you start to notice a little bit of nagging inflammation

or injury because you're getting so strong. You've been so consistent. But the movements that you're doing are very sagittal plane. Yeah. And so. be taxing. Yeah, and so what'll happen? You'll keep getting stronger, but you'll start to notice like,

ah, this kind of hurts a little bit. Maybe I need to warm up more or something like that. So it'd be really smart for you at this point to train different planes of movement. So like Maps 15 performance would be a really good idea to follow, to interrupt kind of what you're doing just to get ahead of, because you're getting really strong. And you're probably, you're probably going to end up somewhere, you know, five reps, you know, deadlift 285.

You're probably going to end up somewhere around 350, which is really strong. But before you get there, it's really important. We work on rotation, lateral stability, because the stronger you get, the greater the risk of injury when you move outside of perfect form, even if it's just half a degree. So this is a good point of- And I have tried to, sorry, I have tried to pull in some exercises from performance as well. So I've got some chops in the routine, suitcase carries, windmills, and trying to, you know, add those additional things. I don't have access to a sled, so that's been a little unfortunate. Those ones you just named are great movements for you to continue to do.

And how often do you train those or how consistent are they in your routine? I do them two days a week. So when I do the three exercises, one of those is going to be one of those rotational. Yeah, that's great. That's great. That's great. Yeah, you keep progressing that windmill and you keep doing those. Don't stop doing those.

Yeah, yeah. You're doing good, bro. Yeah. You're doing really good. I like what you're doing. Stay on path. And when you get up to a point where you're like, man, there's a lot of food, you can try cutting. And what you'll probably see is some really good fat loss.

Yeah. I'm getting close. I'm getting close. It's becoming a bit of a chore at 4200. Such a good place. That's the ideal place I want it when I want to cut. I want to Clyde to be like, I can't eat any more. I'm cool.

Yeah, you'll go down to 3,500 and just watch yourself lean out. Exactly. You get up to 4,200, and you're like, okay, I'm good now. Drop to 3,500 and watch fat just fall off your body. Yeah. I can't wait. I feel like to, okay, do you have our 15 program? I feel like we should give you a power lift 15 and then perform just so you can toggle between the two

because you're kind of doing that on your own, like intuitively you're kind of mashing it together. But we've put that together almost exactly like you're described. Yeah, I would, I think it would be really smart to follow. We'll send that. We'll send that to you. We'll send that to you. Send them both power lift 15 and then the performance 15. Be correct volume.

And I think, yeah, it'll just keep you going strong here. Yeah, the power lift is really exciting because I've gotten to where I'm, you know, I'm focused more on the actual lifts than the numbers from the lifts. And I really have gotten to where I just don't care about other things. I don't really care about the mirror, the scale. That has been a huge change for me. And it's been great. So power lift is going to be awesome.

That's awesome, man. You hit the sweet spot. Yeah, you're doing great, bro. Yeah, yeah. The only mistake you can make is if you do too much. Yep. Yeah. Which is in your body.

That's right, dude. Keep it up, Randy. All right. sense you got it man yeah that's great he's crushing it yeah it's really great uh i mean it's a good conversation around volume because um when i was younger i thought all i considered uh volume was sets so if i'm doing three sets if i'm doing three sets if i'm doing three sets of three sets of it's all the same volume no it's not yeah i didn't factor in the load or the reps yeah like you do three sets of at the same intensity right so we're talking about like within a few reps

of failure three sets of five in squats or three sets of 20 at squats okay the 20 way more damage on the body requires way more recover it's just very different because those reps count when it comes to volume so and maps anabolic phase three uh the the volume actually is quite high for a lot of people so sometimes people like man I love phase one phase two is great phase three I start to feel burnt out also in the context of where he was at calorie wise it's obvious that he's a big guy he moves a lot 13,000 steps for a a six foot two, 230-pound guy is a lot of movement.

So that's a lot, that's a lot of movement. And his size, that low of calorie just wasn't, and that high of volume wasn't serving him whatsoever. So just cutting back down on the volume a tiny bit,

boosting calories, and then boom, all of a sudden he sees a response again. And to be able to be eating 4,000 calories, not putting body fat on is a freaking awesome. And you know,

what's really interesting, too, is just a little side note here. There are some people that respond exceptionally well to really low volume. Like one of my favorite examples was six-time Mr. Olympia

Doreenia. Here's a pro bodybuilder. He won to Mr. Olympia six times. He's also all on performance-enhancing drugs. And he goes from, I don't remember what year it was, in 1998, maybe Mr. Olympia, where he took second place to Lee Haney, I think it was 98.

And then he comes back 15 pounds heavier. What he changed? And everybody thought he did this crazy drug cocktails. No, that's not what happened. What happened was he went from traditional strength training to one thing. that to failure. Like the lowest volume you could possibly do. And his body responded tremendously. And there are people like this. Most people aren't like this where they just go lower,

lower volume. At some point, you need a certain amount of volume. But some people just do really well with the lower volume. And it's really interesting. The individual variance will always be a wrench. Yep. And what... Always a factor. I would argue more people, especially in the context of how rare it is that we all get perfect sleep, how rare it is that we have no... It's lower than they think. It's lower than you think. I think more people, if you put more energy and effort on nutrition dial, good sleep, you could get away with very low volume of training and probably see incredible results. Our next callers are Melissa and Easton from Minnesota. What's up, guys? What's happening? Hello? How you doing? I'm just getting to read and shorten this off because I'm shortened my email

because I'm a little nervous. I'm just going to read it. No worries. First, this is my son, Easton, he's 13. He's here with me. You're doing Easton? Against his will. A little bit against his well. Okay. First, I just want to thank you guys for all you do. You've changed how I think about my health and wellness. But I also love how you talk about family and friends and faith.

And I love that my son can hear other positive influences besides his crazy parents about how he can live a positive life. So thank you guys very much. So you got it. All right. and I'm looking for a program that we can do together this summer. As a punishment for having his phone in his room, we decided to make Easton do a weightlifting class at school, which turned out he loved,

and we kind of expected that he would love it. He is now doing track and field, and he misses lifting. He wishes he was still lifting. So we're making plans for the summer. He loves to come home after he was doing weightlifting and tell me how he would beat my PRs. Yeah.

I maybe have a year of being stronger than him before he passes me in everything, but he's getting close. I'm a member of a cardio kickboxing gym that also does weightlifting, but after listening to you guys, I realize it's more circuit training with weights. And so I've been supplementing with real lifting, according to you guys, at the big box gym for a few months. And I just finished phase one of Maps 15, which I love. I still go to the kickboxing gym, but this summer I want to take a couple days for and I go to go to the big box gym and at least work out next to him because who works out with their mom. So do you have any recommendations for a program that we could do together?

Yeah, absolutely. And so you're going to be going to a gym to do this and you want to go about two, three days a week? Yeah. Is what you look for? If not more. Oh, you'll go more. Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's good, man. And just the Easting, good job, dude, working out with your mom, bro. That's great. You're a good kid. Yeah, good young man. Okay. So, you You guys, now, are you going to keep doing a bunch of cardio kickboxing stuff? Are you going to focus on the strength training? Because I need to know what the balance is going to be. I'm in a contract at that gym through the end of the year.

So I still want to do that a couple, three days a week maybe. But I'm not sure whether to skip the kickboxing days or skip their weight training days when I go. But the priority will be to go with him. Okay, because that makes a big difference because I'd like to put you on a strength training program that's really going to make you guys strong. but I'm going to need you to not add a bunch of other intense stuff. So it would be ideal if you skipped all of it. But I don't know what your community is like there, if it feeds your soul or if you just like the workouts or you don't want to waste the money. Because that makes a big difference.

I do go with a couple of my best friends. It's a really, really good community. I'm a stay-at-home mom, so it kind of feeds that too. Okay, that's good. Yeah. No, that's enough. That's enough. I like MAPS andabolic.

Why? I write 15. Mass 15 is a lot in the gym. They're only going to go two days a week or three days. Stack the days. I mean, you could do that too. It's very similar. What I like about Maps 15 is if you go more than three days, like Easton says you might,

you follow it as it's laid out. Or if you only make it three days, you stack two of the days. And so it's basically you either do two exercises or four exercises in the gym. And it's a more appropriate volume paired with your kickboxing that you might be doing. So I think anabolic is too much with her kickboxing and stuff. Two days a week, we might be okay. But yeah. Even one.

Yeah. She's talking about she's going three times a week kickboxing and so. That's a lot. Don't do the weight lifting in the class. You can skip that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So if you still have Mass 15, you could do, because you do have that, you could do that program and what Adam's saying would be good. The elder alternative is if you skipped all the other stuff that you're doing would be a power lift. And then you guys can both really focus on getting strong at deadlifting. squatting and bench. I mean, that's what I love to see you do. And build that skill.

It would be amazing. I mean, and you guys would hit some PRs by the end of that program for sure. I could skip for the summer. It's not going to. Yeah. I've been listening long enough to know there might be what you said.

You know, I could always go back to it in the fall. Yeah, your body will benefit from the watch. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, you'll, you guys will hit some PRs. You'll just get way more results that way. If I, if you were hell bent on going into class, and it was something really important in the community part.

I'd still let you do it as my client. I would just warn you that we, you know, the power, we're not going to get the most of the powerlifting. And if you're not seeing the results you want, that's part of the reason why. And so you'll get the most, you'll feel the best, you'll get the strongest from running power lift,

just straight up the way it is. Yeah, I mean, you expect, yeah, you guys will hit some PRs in the big, the three big lifts. Now, with diet, here's the thing, though, and I'll speak to your son, because this is difficult for teenagers. You got to hit your protein intake, which means don't skip breakfast.

That's a big one. So you want to hit your body weight plus maybe 10, 20 grams of protein in grams every single day, every single day. Because if you do that at your age, plus follow mass power lift. Oh, man. You'll go back to school.

You'll go back to school after the summer and everyone's going to look at you and be like, what happened to you? Like that's exactly this guy. That's what'll happen. The key is that. The key's going to be eating the protein then. The protein.

That's the hardest part. And then the other one's sleep. So those are the two that teenagers mess up. It is asleep. And I'm telling you, it doesn't make a little difference. It makes a huge difference. So it's like turbocharging all your results. So you hit your protein.

You go to bed and wake up at the same time every day. Follow maps power lift with your mom. You'll blow people away. How are we with breakfast right now? What's breakfast look like? My school starts a lot early, so normally it's just like microwave something. Okay. So a decent investment mom would be like magic spoon cereal, something that's got he can have 30, 40 grams of protein that's quick and easy.

Something like that that'll, because the key is to stay ahead of the protein because if you get in, you have a 8 gram, 10 gram protein protein breakfast in the microwave real quick. then you're playing ketchup. Lunchtime, you have some sort of a sandwich or something, which is only another 15, 20 grams of protein before you know it, you're way behind on protein. So hitting protein consistently day in and day out with the weightlifting will radically change strength and weight. Yeah, so it'll look totally different.

Yeah, but because it's summer, you've got access to, you know, more food. You're not at school. This should be a little easier. But you do that plus sleep, plus follow power lift together. And then, mom, same thing for you. Hit your target body weight and grams of protein consistently. get good sleep. Keep your steps up, you know, 10,000 steps a day is good. You're also going to see radical change. And especially if you skip by skipping all the cardio classes, you're going to see the sculpt, the shape, metabolism boost, the whole thing. So this will be a lot of fun, you guys. In fact, I want you guys back on after the summer. I want to hear about what happened.

Yep. They always, you know, turn their nose up as my Greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Here's it from you. Yeah. That helps. Yeah. So I'll tell you this, with the cottage cheese, I'll tell you a secret that makes it taste better. Take some vanilla-way protein powder, put it in it, stir it up, and throw some pineapple in it. I'm not a big fan of cottage cheese by itself, but if you put some vanilla way in there, it sweetens it up and then with some pineapple, and it's got a real good taste to it. Now you're talking about 40, 50 grams of protein, too, in one shot. And here's a thing, and I'll just, you know, again, I'll speak to Easton.

Separating yourself from your peers. So you want to be stronger, you want to be more focused. you want to be more successful, more jacked, all that stuff, it means you're going to have to do things different than everybody. And so food is different than just what tastes good and what's convenient. It's like I'm fueling my body and I'm fueling these gains. And so that mentality, I'm going to tell you right now at your age, because you're young, you get that mentality now. You start strength training now.

Bro, by the time you're 19, you're going to be in another universe. Absolutely. So this is a great time to start. What do you think? Okay, so like three days? Is PowerLift a three day a week? Three or four. Yeah.

Three or four. Okay, perfect. Yep. Okay. We'll send that over to you guys. Yeah, let's get you back on a few months. Yeah, yeah. Hit that protein.

We appreciate you guys. All right. You got it. Thank you guys so much. Good job, guys. Good luck. I love, like, first of all, I think that's cool that he's working out with mom. And that mom is taking the time out to do this with her son.

Such a great experience together. But, you know, you start with the right kind of idea and discipline. This is the big one, especially for young men. Discipline is so important for young men because we're so, it's so easy for us to be on discipline. But, you know, strength training, diet, like you figure out that discipline. And now it can go off the rails. But if you start to figure that out at 13, bro, you're so far ahead of your peers by the time you're 16, 17, 18. It's incredible.

I have some crazy gains that's some of strength. this summer. I hope they do it. I hope he does it. It'd be really cool to see if he sticks with it because yeah, he'll be, he'll definitely, he'll come back to school, like, radically different for sure. Our next caller is Tiffany from Ontario. Hi, Tiffany. Hi, Tiffany. Hello. Hi, thank you very much. I'm excited to talk to you. So my question is, I have been training, I'm 44. I've been training since grade nine. So I've loved fitness my whole life. And when I started around 19 years old, I started trail running on top of lifting. And I noticed I was sore all the time in the hips. For the last 16 years, I've been seeing chiropractors and physios and everyone under

the sun trying to figure out, you know, why I'm, you know, my one hip, especially, my left hip was bothering me. And because I'm a landscaper, everyone just kept saying, you know, it's your job and your exercise. And so I would do physio and I wake up every morning at 4 a. am and I do physio. And then some nights I, you know, would come home limping. Some days I couldn't make it through work. Some days I go to the gym and I can lift. And other days I can't.

So I found that I have hip dysplasia. And because this has been going on for so long now, I have arthritis and I have spurs in my hip. And so my question is I do have some exercises that I've been finding are helpful. but I'm having my hip replaced in eight months, and I want to know how I can kind of prepare for that so that I come out better than before. Yeah, good question.

Typically, when I meet someone like you with chronic, who exercises consistently, but with chronic pain and kind of like flare-ups of injury or arthritis, so we're not talking about sedentary people. We're talking about someone who's active. There's usually a few culprits. it's either over-training, poor movement patterns, which they have a tough time correcting, because they exercise so much that they continue to strengthen the poor recruitment pattern,

or nutrient deficiency, or too low of caloric intake. Or all the above, yep. Maybe, possibly. Is that all of, you said, what did you say? Sorry. I said probably all of those. Yeah. Okay.

Yep. That makes sense. Now, tell, okay, let's start with the last one that I said. Tell me about your food intake. Do you know how many calories you today? You sound very active. Yeah. So when I'm off season, because I'm in Canada, so I don't landscape over the winter.

In my off season, I honestly, I eat intuitively, but I do eat a lot of red meat. I eat a lot of carbohydrates that are whole foods. Like I love plantain and rice and oats. So I'm not, I'm actually an eater. I would say I'm someone that eats, but I also have a lot of output. I'm a little bit of a hummingbird. So I'm always on the go. And then in my working season, I struggle.

I eat maybe throughout the day because I'm so busy and I'm so active and then I come home and I crush like a big dinner. So I'm not, if I'm under eating, it might be not intentionally, but I am very restrictive with what I eat. I try to eat, you know, as close to nature as possible. And I don't, I don't really have treat meals. I feel like, you know, I have good digestion when I eat whole food. So I just eat, you know, a lot of the things that I love.

that are healthy for me. Okay. So let's back up. So you started exercising in the ninth grade? Yes. What was the motivation back then? I don't, you know what? My dad died young of diabetes.

And so I watched someone who could have helped themselves, not help themselves. And I think I just started loving that I could kind of be healthy based on how I lived. And my first job was a fitness instructor. Like I got aerobics when I was in grade nine. So there was just something that I guess it was, I like to be the opposite of what I was witnessing at home. Okay. It must have been scary to watch that your dad go through that. Yeah, maybe scary, but I'm a little stubborn.

So to me, I just never understood the rationale behind being able to fix something and then not fixing it. Yeah, I get it. I get that. Has anybody ever told you that you're too controlling with your diet or that you're too restrictive? Yeah, definitely. But I would also say, I don't know about quantity. Like people are always surprised how much food I can eat, but I'm not someone who deviates from the foods that I eat.

For one, like, I do do it from time to time. Like I love pizza, and for my birthday I'll have cake, and I won't feel guilt about that. But I do find I just feel better the rest of the week when I stick close to like the foods that I know work for me. Okay, cool. And you've had bone density tested along with all of this? No.

Okay. You should. Yeah, I would get bone density tested along with all of this. And then let's talk about exercise. What is your, like, what does your daily activity look like and your workouts look like? So when I'm working, I get up at four, like I said, and I do my physio and I might do, I'll call it a trigger session in the morning because I'm trying to maintain the muscle that I put in the winter.

And then I go to work and I put in a 10-hour day of labor. So I have a very active eight months of year. And the winter, I would say my activity is walking my dogs. I don't do cardio. I just walk my dogs for my cardio. And then I hit the gym for afternoon. And then the rest of the day, I kind of like, because I'm so burnt out for eight months a year,

if I want to be a little lazy or if I want to clean the house, I don't put a lot of pressure on myself in the offseason. Okay. And then what does your strength training look like? I try to lift as heavy as possible. I take long rest periods. My legs because of my hip dysplasia, which I didn't know it was hip dysplasia until this year. But I would lift what I felt I could do without the pain.

Yeah. Some days it's body weight. Some days I start warming my hips up and I have to go to upper body because it's just too painful. But if I can lift, I might lift six to eight reps heavy. But if it's a day where, you know, that doesn't feel good, then I'll drop the weights and I'll, I'll lift to 10 to 15. It just, I kind of like, now that I'm older, I don't push through it like I used to. Okay. I try a little better. Okay, good. Okay, good. And then, and then if you don't mind me asking height and weight? I'm 5, 6, and I'm 103 pounds. Okay. Okay. So what's going to help you the most?

obviously continue moving, continue strength training. You're going to want to go into the surgery with more muscle and more body fat. At your height and your weight and what you're describing. So you're active. So it's like you're not active. You're doing the exercises. You're doing the right ones. You do physio.

So you're doing the correctional exercises. So that's all good. But you're going to have a easier time recovering going into the surgery. with more weight on your body. Yeah. Because you're going to be catabolic post-surgery. This is what happens. So post-surgery, you can't move much.

And what happens, this is just natural, is you're going to lose some muscle and you're going to lose some weight. Okay, this is what happens. And if you don't have a lot of weight to lose, this can be very detrimental. So someone like you is going to want to go in. I'd like to, and when is your surgery?

November. Oh, you got time. Oh, good. I'd like to see you gain 15 to 20 pounds. Yeah. Even if it's body fat. So don't overthink the what you're eating. It's like it's better that we put on body fat than we put on no way.

If you could do it with healthy food, there's nothing. I think that's great. Oh, of course. I think that's great. But if I had to choose you not not eating something or eating something with high calories, just eat you, I want, I want weight on going into that surgery. Yeah, you're going to want to go in a good 15 to 20 pounds heavier, feeling strong. and that's going to give you a nice buffer.

I would also suggest a bone density test. Dexascan will do that. Yeah, and just see where you're at. And if your bone density, with all the exercise you've been doing, if the test says that your bone density is in the lower range, for sure, your caloric intake has been too low for too long, for sure. Because the only time you see that, when people are active in the exercise,

but they have low bone density, it's because they're not eating enough. Yeah. Because obviously activity, strength training sends a signal to strengthen bone. It just does. But if you don't feed your body enough, you're going to lose bone density. So I really suggest to do that. And if you are my client going into surgery and we're like, oh, we got until November,

my goal with you is continue strength training, traditional strength training. Make sure you pick the right exercises, which is sounds like you're doing the right ones. Make sure you have good technique. And I'm going to have you gain weight. I want you to go in 15 pounds heavier at least. And that'll give us a nice buffer. Because if you go in at 103 pounds, you're going to get down to 90 and you're going to feel not great because you just don't have much to lose there. And it'll be all good weight you'll lose.

And if you go in with some body fat, at least we have some body fat for your body. We want to gain muscle and body fat going into it. Definitely. My other question is, and I don't know, maybe this is a just in question, but like I don't move well laterally. And I think because my hip is so unstable. And I'm trying to like, you know, build muscle on my glutes and stuff like that to, like, you know, stabilize my hip. But I think I'm nervous now because I've hurt myself so many times. And like I would try something and then I wouldn't sleep for the week because I was sore.

But I don't move well laterally and I don't move well with instability. And I don't know. Is that something? Do I wait until after something? surgery that I work on or do I try to work on it now? Very gradually, very progressively. You can make steps in that direction. Something like a tube walk to start in terms of like having you slightly hip hinged or

squatted and then kind of walking laterally to get some kind of resistance to that would start kind of help to build and develop. Isometrics would be. Isometric would be amazing. Yeah. 90-90 work and two walks would be awesome. Well, you got to be careful with the hip dysplasia with 90-90. But I would go isometrics and press against something like you're doing an abduction.

Not fully abducted, but like halfway, press into something really, really hard for 15 to 20 seconds and rest. Very safe for people with joint instability, and it's still built strength. And it's actually a great way to build something. You feel like a yoga block against the wall. That would be ideal. Yep. Yeah, and I think too at some point, if it feels comfortable, just to, you know, in a wide stance, just, you know, bend one knee, kind of shift your weight to one side, come back. So it's not necessarily like a depth thing.

It's just acclimating to that lateral stability. If you had like a suspension trainer to help support that way, you do that, would be great. So I don't know if you have a suspension train or not, but anchoring that, holding that while you kind of do what Justin's saying, almost like a Cossack squat where you're going right to left. But don't go full range of motion with what you have. You're going to go shorter range of motion. And we're just gradually, incrementally, like, inch by inch. That's right. That in a calorie surplus would serve you really well.

Yes. And did you guys ever have, like, people that recovered from hip surgery that, like, am I going to be able to do different movements that I couldn't do before? Or is this kind of, like, same, but no pain? No, you'll be fine. No, so I've had great success. But it all hinges on how well you go into it. The corrective work.

And then after. Mm-hmm. Okay. Now, your range of motion will be limited post with hip, with hip replacement. So if you're really hyper-mobile now, you're not going to have that same mobility, but you'll have good mobility. So it's not like you have bad mobility. The mistake people will often make with replacement is they start to go crazy. They try to really challenge.

And those joints, those replacement joints are not made to do that. And so they can cause problems. But if you get, if you do good, like you go into it strong. and healthy and you come out of it and you're very diligent about your rehab and your strengthening, you'll be fine. Okay. Thank you guys very much. I have a question.

Tiffany, would you be open to working with a coach between now and November to work on the things we talked about? Because I think it would be very helpful to have somebody work with you, especially with nutrition to get you that point. Is that, would you be open to that? Absolutely. For me, my biggest thing is I don't train as much. Like my training sessions are closer to like the trigger set.

Not trigger. You're 15 minutes or 30 minutes because I'm. That's okay. Yeah. That's good. That's okay. That's okay. That's totally fine.

Okay. I'm going to have a coach call you, Tiffany. Perfect. Thank you very much. You got it. Thank you. Yeah. So, I mean, I have my,

I have my suspicions on what I think the challenge is. That's why I ask for bone. Bone density test will tell us. right out the gates if that's the case. But I'll tell you what, look, if you go into surgery, okay, if you have two people that work out, one person goes in overweight. Remember, they both work out.

So they both exercise. One goes in overweight, one goes in underweight. Underweight, far worse recovery. Of course. Far worse recovery. Being underweight puts you at a high risk with any kind of illness or injury or surgery. You just, because you're catabolic post surgery. And there's nothing to tap into.

No. That's where, that's what I mean. That's why my point was, of course, going through old foods, but I, shit, she's allowed to have cake. She's a lot of eat. I want calories. She needs to put, she needs to put calories. But I'd like to see where they're at, because she's saying she eats a lot, but people

are always, you know, no, no. Who knows? You're not eating, it can't be possible. It made a lot from her perspective, for sure, but not a lot as in enough. Whatever it is, it's not. Cary dense wise, maybe not. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you could be eating a lot of very low calorie foods that are not, and she needs

calories. And the reason why I asked her, just for people listening, like, we've worked with enough people. And when you go back to the initial motivation for why in ninth grade, that's a young age to really getting to work out, getting into working out. And if it's like I was really overweight or somebody died, there's often this fear attached to what you're doing.

And that can lead you in a direction that is often not great. Well, it could lead into the thing, the very thing that you fear is something unhealthy. That's right. Because if she gets that test back and her bone density is really bad, that's just as unhealthy, just in a different direction. Our next caller is Heather from Michigan. Hi, Heather.

You're doing Heather. Hello. Hey, guys. I'm very excited to be on the podcast. I've been listening to you for going on seven years, I think. So, yeah, you've been my source of entertainment, education for fitness for a long, long time. So I really appreciate it. Cool.

How can we help you? Yeah. So like most people, I'll just read my question. I'm a 28-year-old female. with an immense passion for health fitness and helping others. Throughout my life, I've played many sports, including running cross-country and track at the collegiate level. However, now that I've graduated college, I have solely focused on staying active through

resistance training and walking slash hiking. I have a bachelor's degree in athletic training, and I've always been super interested in health and fitness. However, I don't have a personal training certificate. I've been listening to Mind Pump for growing on seven years now, and I've learned so much from Sal Adam and Justin. and I even got the chance to meet you guys at the Olympia a few years ago. So I'd love to know what's the best path for someone who doesn't have direct experience with training clients to become a mind pump certified personal trainer.

I just think fitness has always been a big passion of mine. And I've been working in the supplement industry for several years now. And I'm just considering starting it either as like a side hustle or maybe even a career change. But I'm just curious what your guys's thoughts are because I know a lot of people, or a lot of companies, they want someone with experience, right? I mean, that's the biggest thing that they're looking for. So for me, beyond getting maybe some certifications through NASM or something like that, yeah, I'm just curious what you guys are, your thoughts are on someone who's looking to get into personal training.

Well, this is cool. Yeah. So you want us to interview you. We'll do a little pre-interview right now. Pitch us. So, okay, so we've fully empowered Kyle who runs out of fitness department. So he makes the decisions on who work. here. But we could talk a little bit about the culture and what we're looking for with our coaches.

And we've said this before. We don't hire trainers. We make them. So I'm far less interested in a trainer who's got all this pedigree, but if they don't have the right character, I could care less. One of our, like, who now runs our sales department, who's excellent, does a great job. Marcello less than a year ago, I think, still was a police officer. So he had no, experience. I mean, he worked out on his own, but he had no experience and now he does a phenomenal job for us. So we're looking for character more than anything. But I want to hear from you what makes you want to work at mind pump. What makes you want to be a mind pump trainer or coach? I think it's mainly the message you guys put out. You know, obviously being a fitness fanatic,

I've always went after like, you know, optimizing everything. And I think now that I've kind of gone through my own fitness journey and I'm getting older, I'm starting to realize how important it is to be like more simplified and have a more realistic approach to training. Like not everybody has time to train or even wants to train, you know, five, six days a week. So I love the message you guys preach in terms of sustainability and making these small changes that really impact people's lives. And to me, I feel like beyond the paycheck, beyond all that, like that makes such a bigger impact.

It's like if I could use this knowledge I have that I've gained and also build upon that maybe from learning, you know, from you guys and the trainers and whatnot that I could help others. And I mean, to me, it's like a win-win situation. So I just love, like I said, the message you guys preach and all the things that I've learned and through experience through, like I said, my own journey, I've realized like, wow, this is something where there's so many people out there that, you know, their lives could benefit from this. And I would just love to even just help some people. It doesn't have to be, you know, it doesn't have to be like thousands of people, but yeah, that's just where my true passion lies.

I think I have experienced that through even my own career. I'm like, oh, I really enjoy this. And if it's like, if I could build a career through that, I mean, that would be a dream for me. What are you currently doing? Cool. What do you do right now? I'm a regulatory analyst for a supplement company. So basically helping on project teams to develop different nutritional products to make sure they're compliant with like U.S.

and Canada regulation. How long have you been doing that for? Just a year because previous to that, I was working for some other supplement companies doing product development and formulation. But this company is located in Michigan, and that's where my family's from. So I wanted to get back to being closer to family. It was very important to me. So I used to live in Pennsylvania. And then I lived in Jersey.

And I worked for a couple different sports nutrition companies doing, yeah, product formulation. Was it always the career that made you move? Was that how you left? I mean, how did you? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, basically. But, you know, as you get older and your parents get older and, you know, all my siblings

and whatnot, I was like, I don't want to miss out on that. I feel like, you know, I kind of did what I wanted to do and experienced leaving, you know, leaving my home state and everything to do those things. And I was fortunate enough to get those opportunities at a young age out of college. It was kind of a non-traditional path for me because I had a, like I said, I had a degree in athletic training. So nothing to do with supplements necessarily. So it was all like self-taught and just worked my way up from there.

Okay, that sounds good. I like that you want to be around family. The only challenge is what we're really interested in right now are people who live here in California. Because we're looking for we want, we like the culture or should I say we value the culture that we're building. And we do have remote coaches, but it's the culture that we have here is what we're most interested in. So I don't know if that's even something that's plausible for you to move and live somewhere else, you know, like here in California. Yeah, I've visited California handful of times. We actually had a manufacturer out there.

We used to work with. So I've been out there. That's why I wanted to kind of chat with you guys if there was any opportunity for maybe, whether it's maybe doing training in person and then eventually going remote. I don't know what that would look like. But I guess that was part of maybe this question as well. if you guys are looking to, because like I said, I know based on my athletic training degree, it's very valuable to get hands-on experience and to be there. And you get the most out of any experience doing that.

But I don't know if you guys, like I wanted to get understanding of your goal. If it's like, hey, we want to be able to have trainers accessible across the U.S. Or what that look like. We have both. We have, so we have remote coaches too. And you would get a training. You get a week here. So typically what Kyle does, if you pass the interview with him.

and you want to live where you're at currently. Then he'd have like a week where you would fly out here and you do in-person training with the team. You'd meet all the trainers here. You'd meet us work here for a week where you learn all the systems. And then he'd send you back home. And then some of the trainers, they're currently remote with the ultimate goal to move up in the company

and then maybe you come back this way. Some of them want to stay remote and just be a remote coach for us. as far as career-wise, there's way more money in coming back and moving up. And so it's kind of how the system we've built is we understand people have lives over there and they want to slowly scale. But ultimately, if you wanted to make a career out of it, you'd want to work for the company where the company is at. That's where all the opportunity.

That's where all the opportunity for growth and actually real income is at. But you can still make money by being a remote coach and doing that. And we have quite a few of those. have more remote coaches than we have personal coaches. We've only got about nine here, and we have about 12 that are remote. And so that is a possibility. And that's what that pathway looks like. It would look like interviewing with Kyle. He thinks you're a great fit. Then he would schedule a week where you would come out here for a week and you would work with us for a week and then send with all our systems and how it works. And then they'd slow you,

scale you up with clients. And then that's how you would do that. But just just to give you an edge, there's a higher consideration when someone's like, I'll be willing to live here because that's what we're most interested in. I don't get face-to-face time with my remote coaches, and neither does Kyle very often. But the coaches that are here,

this is the family. This is what really, now we all consider everybody family, but when you're here, this is where everything happens. And so that's the edge. So when someone's like, I'm willing to move,

and I'll come intern for a month, and learn and show you that I'm good, and then I'll move here and make it happen, that places you near the top of the list of people to consider. So just for you, if you end up applying and talking to Kyle, if that's something you're open to, then I would communicate that. If not, don't say it. But it does give you an edge. Are you in our certification course?

Not yet, no. And so like, ever since I started thinking about this and I submitted my question, I've been, you know, I've been considering this for a while, but I started to look, you know, more into obviously NASM and then your guys' elite trainer course as well. So I started to look into all those things. And that's why I was like, well, I'd love to talk to them to kind of chat through what they recommend me maybe starting with or what based on my goal of, you know, becoming a personal trainer. And like I said, I wouldn't really want to learn from anybody else because I just,

I align with your guys as, you know, message, your values. And yeah, that's what I would want to. Yeah. What I, my recommendation then would be to get into the elite trainer course for sure, because then no matter what, you're learning from us there. All our systems are in there. Right. And it's designed to help somebody from where you're at, build a business.

So whether you end up working for us directly or not, the next step I would go is go right into elite trainer academy, get in there and then also apply with Kyle. And that's at mindpup jobs.com. And so if you do that, that would be your first one and two step no matter what. You already have a bachelor degree in athletic training. And NASM would be, like, we would look at NASM like your degree. But our certification weighs much higher. because it's, again, it's our philosophy, it's our culture. Yeah.

And we're teaching the things we would teach you if you worked here in that course. And even if you didn't work for us and it still would be the pathway. Because like Sal said, you already have a degree in the field. And so in the field that's as weighted as an NASM is or anything else is. And so you already have some good formal education. Ours is more heavily on our philosophy and application and then the business side. And so which I think will serve you no matter what, whether you're working with us. or not. And so I would get into that and then I would and then I'd reach out to Kyle by applying.

Let me do this, Heather. Let me have my education director call you and talk to you about our course because she runs all of our education. And then if this all sounds good, you apply at mind pumpjobs.com. And you can say in there that you talk to us here on the podcast. And we sent you there. Yep. Okay. Awesome. I'm really looking forward to this. Like I said, this is surreal since I've been listening to you guys for so long. And I've learned so much, not only about like people say this a lot, you know, fitness, but just life in general. So I really appreciate all the, you know, all the value you guys provide beyond just fitness education. So yeah, thank you so much.

Appreciate that. Yeah. Hopefully we'll see you. Yes. Yeah, I'll do that. I'm looking forward to connecting with them. So thank you. And we'll call you.

See, yeah. Yeah, I mean, for anybody listening, that's going to give you an edge. Yeah. And, you know, you're willing to come intern for a month. Yeah. And show that you got what it takes. It's definitely a privilege. to be a coach here.

The amount of learning, exposure, training, leads, types of clients you get here. Obviously, we have the largest fitness podcast in the world, so it's just like a crazy amount of potential clients that come through. But you've got to reflect us in our philosophy. That's it. And what we want is character more than anything else. More than education, even more than experience.

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