PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles OTA Report: How Jalen Hurts & DeVonta Smith Look In New Offense | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

We’ve got eyes on the Eagles’ first spring practice open to reporters, with notes on Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers, Jalen Hurts, DeVonta Smith, Dontayvion Wicks, Cooper DeJean, Uar Bernard, Marcus Epps & more. This one’s for the sickos, with Fran Duffy and Bo Wulf. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome the P-H-L-Y Eagles podcast on a beautiful rainy Wednesday afternoon live from the X-Finity Lounge and presented by our friends at Ashley Bowulf, Fran Duffy, fresh off the first look at Eagles football with the full team of the 2026 season. I got a lot to tell you about Fran, how you do it? You've got like that, it's like a little bit of like a training camp feel about you. You got the golf shirt. Yeah, yeah. I've got one question, though.

Okay. How'd the playoff game go last night? Well, good question. Didn't go our way. Okay. And I was actually thinking about that today as I watched the Eagles on the field. Oh, wow. Because, you know, you're a little bit down, a little bit melancholy about the end of a season, right?

And this team will not be together again. And what a gift it is in life to be part of a team like that, right? Yeah. And so as you as you then look out on this new collection of 86 or so eagles, you know, dancing to the music and joking around with each other, you know, to get to do that for a living.

What a joy that is for them. And hope springs eternally. Every spring you get that new, the new team feel. So yeah, there's something to do that. Yeah, it was a good question because I was thinking a lot about that.

Hmm. It was good. Good. You know, what a gift to be part of a team forever. Yeah. I mean, and that's why that is that high that anyone that once you leave,

professional leave sports like for good and you retire and like you're in your 30s that that that yearning for that that team that's one of the things that everyone misses most yeah absolutely how about how you when do playoffs start for you uh we don't do playoffs we just have like all the way up until little league tournament so it's uh like the tally until so we still have a handful of games left okay well I'm jealous yeah looking forward to it all right down to the Jags now uh let's get to it everything you need to know yes from the first practice that we got to see we haven't talked I got here three minutes ago. Yeah, we have not spoken at all.

I had to pull the trigger just a little early from the end of practice to make sure I got here on time. Would you like some depth chart notes? Would you like some body type notes? Would you like some offensive scheme notes? Where would you like me to start? All right. So I think everyone out there knows I would love to start with the body type notes.

That said, I do think we should start because you are the best when it comes to chart the depth chart, the depth chart notes. I think you are the best at picking up the minutia with the depth chart, like first, second, third string, fourth string this time of year. So let's go depth chart. Let's do that. Let's do it with our friends from Wawa. What's Brewing presented by Wawa?

I'll tell you some of the interesting depth chart surprises from the first day. Now keep in mind, credit to Dave Zangero, who, if you want to talk about guys, girls who are the best of something, Dave is the best at taking attendance? Yes. I would say him and Olivia are right there. They're right there. They're right there. And he has got the full note.

Obviously, no AJ Brown, as you would expect. No Jalen Carter, which is interesting. Presumably discussions about a potential long-term contract. We've seen the clips of how he's working out and he's got his new ripped body. I'm not surprised that he wasn't there. Lane Johnson, not in attendance, which is usually par for the course for him. He was not here at this time last year. Um, Jehad Campbell, not in attendance.

We know he's working through the shoulder, but there were some other injured guys who were on the sideline. Jahad was not on the sideline. Joe Tryon Shrienko, not there. Minor, I mean, listen, we are seeing, and this goes for, this is a disclaimer for the whole conversation today. We're seeing one practice. They've got three this week, three next week.

We'll see one next week. There's a good chance. I imagine that Tryon Shrienka will not be there. And then Cole Wisniewski, Chandler Martin, Tucker large, we're the injured guys. So keep that in mind. The most interesting depth chart note to me, Fran, and I'm curious your take on this.

Okay. Is that, again, this is just one day, quarterback two, Andy Dalton, Tanner McKee quarterback three. Are you surprised by that? Okay. Let me ask this. I judge you to be a good judge of this,

but what did we see to assert that it was definitely QB2 versus QB3? I mean, we saw they, so they did. Like how much did? Well, they saw it. They did several rounds of seven on seven and then they did full 11 on 11. That's enough then. Yeah. And full 11 on 11 again, it was, it was Dalton. Very interesting. Not McKee. There was no rotation between the two of them. They were working with the twos, against the twos, working with the threes, against the threes. It's possible that that's a day on, day off kind of deal. Fair. Wouldn't be a big surprise to me.

But for one day, I was, I was a little bit surprised by that. Correct me. And I may be not remembering this. There's no connection between Dalton and Mannion at all, right? Like, it's not like direct connection. Right. Okay. And it's not like, it's not like Dalton has only worked in this system. Right. No, not at all. Right. He's got some touch points. Right. I can, I could buy it as this is a guy who's going to show you how to do things and you're, he's, he's helping prepare you to take his job. But I don't know. I feel like, I feel like we've been told the team thinks about Tanner McKee, like one of the best backup quarterbacks in football. I'm a little bit surprised.

I would say that's very surprising. Yeah. I was good, because then I'm starting to wonder like, all, is that, are you tinkering with his perceived value at all? But that doesn't, that goes the opposite. It goes against it. That works against his value.

If you were doing that, then it would be like you were preparing to flip Dalton. Right. Doesn't really make sense either. Right. Also, no one's going to be more or less interested in Andy Dalton given his entire role of the, you know, resume of experience based on whether he's getting reps with a

twos or threes in OTA. Right. So then that... It's weird. If it's not a day on, day off thing, then that would point to the team not being as high on McKee as... But in that case, why wouldn't they have flipped him? Right.

Well, maybe they didn't have the... Maybe the juice wasn't there. Yeah. I am going to... Let's do patience. You know, let's wait and see how this looks. But I'm a little bit surprised. That's interesting.

Another minor surprise there. Given that Lane Johnson was out. Right. I think you would have guessed that Fred Johnson would have got the reps as the first team right tackle. Right. Instead, Markell Bell, working with the ones at right tackle, which is not the position he played primarily in college. So I take that as more than anything,

just good news that they're already working on having him play both sides. Right. But I thought that was interesting. Now, listen, I mean, they're in the bubble. They had a little bit of 11 on 11, but there's not really like, you know, there's no pads. There's no real blocking going on. But he's working with those guys.

I thought that was interesting. Was Fred at left? He was second team left tackle. And then who was second team right? Cam Williams? No, actually. It was, I believe, John Ojoquoo. Let me double check that.

Yes, John Ojuquo. Okay, so then you had Hinton and Williams working with the threes. I can give you the whole, what would you like to give you the entire? I mean, of course I do, yes. Because I know no one's charting. I know no one's charting this. Oh, second team offensive line, left to run. Right. Fred Johnson.

Miles Hinton at left guard, which is interesting. So adding guard to the Hinton repertoire. That's good for him. That's good for him. And then this is interesting too. Jake Majors, the second team center. Yeah. And Drew Kendall, the second team right guard.

Okay. Kendall getting the, let's, you know, he spent a year focusing on center. Let's get him the guard reps. Yeah. Now, it's different because it's a different offensive line coach. Right.

But that is a little bit notable. I think that's a good as good. The, what we said about Hinton getting good, that's a good side for him at right guard. Or at left guard, that's a good sign for Kendall getting work at right guard. And then a jukewu at right tackle. Okay. With the threes, you had Holland Pierce at left tackle.

Okay. Who spent most of last summer at guard, so that's a little bit interesting. Jaden Roberts at left guard. Our guy Willie Lampkin at center. Okay. Michael Morris at right guard. Right. And then Cam Williams at right tackle.

Okay. There you go. That's interesting. Yeah. A little bit interesting. Can we go through receiver depth? Well, we can talk about this. Yes.

This is less about true depth chart. Right. Let's save this for what the offense looked like conversation. Okay, fair, fair, fair. Other points of depth chart notes, I think the only other things to really talk about are safety where it was just Marcus Epps basically the whole time. All right. With the ones next to Drew McCuba. Michael Carter gets on the field in dime.

Okay. See, in dime already. I love it. Okay. A little bit. And then, but with the twos, Michael Carter is playing safety. Next to... But, but, but, Andre Sam.

Andre Sam was my guess. Yes. Andre Sam. Yeah. Okay. All right. Those are the big things to know Deptart while. I think that's...

I might sprinkle in some more stuff here as we go through the notes, but those are the big takeaways. All right. Those are the big one. That works. Those are, I guess you could say, what's brewing. Presented by our friends at Wawa. I want to save the offense stuff for after the break. Yeah, let's do that.

That's a fuller conversation. I will give you one down the depth chart thing. A thing is in a guy you're excited about or a play. Oh, okay. Throw with a day. Oh, man. Payton? Cole Payton?

Cole Payton didn't get any reps in seven on seven. They're just doing one, two, three. He gets in the field in 11 on 11. first snap goes back and then loves a beautiful corner route to darwish for completion inch perfect first throw of the day for colpaden nice job colpaden nice and then the next next play ball gets out very quick uh you know one practice moment in time i'm in on colpaden all right to he had a better day than any dalton did any dog got picked up by jonathan jones pick six i mean that's a good play for jonathan jones maybe better than a bad play for Jonathan Jones, an interesting one, working both outside and inside.

Okay, that was good. I was going to ask that for some guys. The pick six came inside with the two nickel. I remember a couple of years ago, the pick six that Isaiah had, that Isaiah Rogers had. Yeah, he really shined. He had like multiple pick sixes, though. I think it was the first day of O'Don. Yeah. Yes. Maybe a good sign of things to come for Jonathan Jones. By the way, for anyone. who's not up for the inside joke there. That's Dequan Wright, Darvish, the undrafted free agent tight end from Ole Miss.

It was a good play. Yeah. Does he look good in person? Right? Dequan. Yeah, Dequan. He's a little bit shorter than I was expecting. Okay, got it.

And a little bit wide. Yeah, he's a stocky. Yeah, he's a stocky. He's moving well. The one, the biggest body type takeaway I have for you. Okay. When you see him with the other guys, Rick Wulin

Yeah Is enormous And that's what you expect But it really stands out How about when he moved Like movement wise He's moving good Yeah

He's moving good There was a play Jalen threw a go ball To Devonte And Devanti had a step on him Okay And it was an underthrown ball It was not a great pass by Jalen

And I was disappointed Because I wanted to see So Reek Wullen breaks it up It's an incomplete pass It was an easy breakup I wanted to If it had been a good throw I wanted to see

If the wingspan was going to make up for the speed that he lost the step to DeFonte on. Okay, that's good to hear. One of the other things I love about OTAs, so when you're out there early, you know, for the stuff we've seen over the last couple weeks, it's just during like drills. You don't see the, there's not an 11-11, 7-on-7.

So you don't get a up-close look at the defensive line and the linebackers. Getting very up close to U.R. Bernard. What was that like? Yeah, I put out a clip on the P.H.O.I. Eagle's social account. of just him warming up. Yeah. Nolan Smith.

And you just see the wingspan. It's like it's got very long arms. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. And he got on the field, you know, good with the three defensive line. Sure.

That's fine. Exciting. Now, here's when he got on the field, and it's funny that he is, he is next to Ty Robinson. Yeah. Last year's fourth round pick is slumming it with the threes next to a guy who's never played football before.

All right. So if he's with the threes. We got Byron Young. Byron Young. ahead of them and more and Gabe Hall game hall yeah take one Graham was with the uh I think he was with the three mixing in yeah so no Jalen Carter so it's more oh and Jordan Davis with the so even with no Jalen I will tell you that at linebacker with the ones no rotation just Jeremiah Trotter Jr. next to I mean that that's that tracks makes sense yep that track

and smile and chance Campbell okay yeah I think that all tracks okay okay I think that all tracks Okay. Corner-wise, you mentioned Jonathan Jones. I would think that, so, okay, first team, was Jonathan Jones second team nickel? Second team nickel. Okay, so then on the outside, I'm assuming that was Jacorian Bennett, Keelieringo?

No. Ooh. Jacoran Bennett, MacMac Williams. Oh, man, that's bad. There's a little bit of rotation. All right. And Jonathan Jones spent some, this is one where it was not a set depth chart.

Okay. I had moving parts. Actually, I'm not so sure that Keely practiced beyond individuals. Because I don't remember seeing him out there. And that also goes where we will get to Hollywood Brown. I don't believe it took part in anything but individuals. Got it. But it was a bit of a rotation, but they were switching sides.

So, Jacorian Bennett was on both sides. Jonathan Jones was in the mix. Mac McWilliams was in the mix. Third team nickel. I'm trying to decide if it's one of your two favorites. Brandon Johnson. or the gush. We didn't see a 13-1-10.

I'm sorry. But it would not, it would have been the gush. Okay, got it. Because there was a different in the beginning of part of practice. I mean, this is just great in the weed stuff. They had split things up in a way that I hadn't seen before, where they had true, like, individual outside corners,

nickels, and safeties. The Mike Pellegrino effect. The Mike Pellegrino effect, as we've all come to expect. And Brandon Johnson was with the safeties. Okay. Now, Michael Carter was with the safeties, but then, like, went to with the nickels. But the nickels were Jean, Mac McWilliams, and the Gush. So MacMac Williams is also going inside and outside.

So McWilliams, McWilliams, Jones. That's it. And Carter's doing safety nickel flex. That's interesting. A lot of guys. Especially considering, sorry, especially considering, you had Brandon Johnson brought in a similar body type last year. And then you have Gush and Pully, who were those kinds of guys also added this year.

Where did J.T. Gray factor in? With the safeties. With the two or with the threes? But no, I didn't see him at all on the day. Let me see where he is. He's 48. Yeah, I don't have him in my, I don't think he got on the field. Because with the 3D, what I have is three Castro fields.

Oh, no, it was Ringo. Three Castro fields and Ringo on the outside. I wonder if that'll switch. That's tough with Ringo, yeah. Ringo's so good on special teams that I, unless they trade him. Yeah. Maximus Pully and the Gush. at safety.

So Goose was getting some reps at safety. Yep. And then you've got Deontel Lawson and Isaiah King and linebacker. Got it.

But I didn't see a nickel. Okay. It's about as in the weeds you're going to get. Death chart-wise for day one of OTAs on May 27th. I feel like most other places are probably going to start

with like what the Sean Marion offense looked like. No. We're getting to the Gush. Get out of here. On the top. On the other side, though, I will tell you,

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Back on the PHA Eagle's podcast from the Xfinity Lounge, we're laughing. There's a very funny video of Vic walking across the stretching. Nobody told Joe Buck. That is a disgusting act. Listen. He got it, flown it. I was going to ask you about the body typing stuff and I was, you should have led with that. Vic still got it.

Yeah. Very nice to see. Absolutely. All right. You're all wondering. Yes. Okay. We're going to see nothing but under center play action.

Is it going to be a totally different offense from Sean Mannion? First read, it's going to look pretty different. Really? Yeah. Okay. By the way, I did not, I purposely avoided social media going into the guy. I wanted to be completely fresh, everything you said. So 7-on-7, you know, they're not really going under center in 7-on-7.

Right. Yes. And this is, again, one day of practice. They're rep in specific things. This is day one install stuff. But in 11 on 11, very heavy under center. So, well, real quick, not to cut you off, but you just said it, it's day one install stuff.

So this should be like the core of what you believe the offense is going to look like. That's the day one install. So the fact that this is in the day one install is telling. I thought there was a lot of purposeful motion. Yep. And McKay Lemon was used most often as, as the motion guy.

Now, no, I didn't, there was not a lot of multiple people moving, right? But purposeful stuff. Yep. Uh,

from a Kyle Lemon that didn't just seem like, like window dressing. Um, now, no, Dantea Vicks. Yep. And I don't think that Hollywood Brown played with the teams in,

in full 11-11. So a shocking amount of Johnny Wilson. Right. If you had been going and expecting. But, uh, There were a lot of rotating parts, but a lot of heavy packages. Sometimes it was 13 personnel with Devante and three tight ends.

Sometimes it's 12 personnel and Johnny Wilson is one of the receivers, so it feels like 13 personnel anyway. More often than not, it was Devante and Lemon. Okay. With Goddert and Munt. Again, lots of mixing parts here. But I'll take it through like the handful of plays we saw in 11 on 11. Okay.

Yes. with the ones. And, no, that's seven on seven. There we go. All right. First play,

real motion. This is 12 personnel. Mackay Lemon flashes across, and it's a handoff to Sequin. That looked like this was, this was going to be a big play. Obviously, they're not actually doing it,

but it was a pretty big hole to the left side. Second play. Under center play action. Jalen throws a completion to Devante, who starts on the left, and it's coming across to the right, a little bit behind him. Right.

But fine, completion. Play action, move the pocket or straight from the pocket play action? This was straight from the pocket play action. But what was interesting about it was they did a break sprint to the line. Okay. And I liked it pretty quickly. So potentially working on the fact that they were slow

to snap the ball all season long last season. They were much more of a, we talked about this, but they were much more of a tempo team under Kellyn Moore in terms of like getting play, down to the play clock, but they ran a lot more plays with more than they did certainly last year.

Third snap was 12 personnel with Johnny Wilson and Devante, so it feels like 13, and that was an under center handoff to Saquan. Fourth play, under center again. This is with Devante, Mikhail Lemon, Johnny Wilson, and Johnny Munt, and it's actually a throw to Johnny Munt in the flat. Johnny Munt catching a pass.

Johnny Munt catching a pass. terrible news like let's try let's stop trying to make him a thing let him just let him bulk up and be your uh your blocker um but yeah the i mean i'll ask after you get there go ahead get through the rest of this 11 alone so that was the end of that session okay or that that little uh possession then they got they had one more uh before i left again starts with under center play action and this one was uh it felt like they were they did not really have

all their T's and eyes dotted and crossed on this one. It was a little bit sloppy, the execution of the play action in the backfield. But Jalen then gets to his second read, which is Dallas Goddard and a nice small window throw with requal and scraped all over him completion. Good? What's the other thing I have written? I don't know. That's always great.

If you go to the notes, you're like, I have no idea what I was writing here. 13 something. Who was 13? Oh, 13 personnel. That's what it was. Okay. Okay. So it was 13 personnel.

next one is another one this is 12 personnel but with johnny wilson which i just you see his body type it feels like 13 uh under center tossed to saquin to the left uh next up was a running back screen to sayquan which did not work very well so that's one that they got to work on and then this the next one was the deep pass to devonte that reek will and breaks up under thrown by jalen but he had a step and then finally there was a one of those situations where they go, they pull off script. Nick gets the megaphone and says, this is one play, you know, to do it. And it's under center completion to Devante on a slant on Rick Willem. So a lot of under center. Yeah, a lot of under center there. Decent amount of play action there. One thing about the Johnny Wilson. So when I think of these offenses in recent years,

especially the ones that have been like heavy personnel focused and a lot of multiple tight ends 12 and 13 personnel they typically do have one of those receivers that is like your big body that allows you go like 12 and a half personnel

you think of Jake Bobo last year in Seattle you think of Ben Skoronic when he was with the Rams like that body type that skill set which by the way like that's why I kind of viewed Wilson that way when he was coming out of Florida State

It was a little rich for me to go as high as he went in the draft just because he was the guy that struggled separating but like hey like you know The six round pick is fun for some reason I felt like he was earlier but either way like that's kind of how I viewed him

so honestly in that role Was he the fifth? I feel like he might have been off the he was the fifth No no, no, Anias was the fifth and he was the sixth That's right and I actually yeah yeah okay so either way yeah I actually think that that's a role he could find in this offense

You would in my mind it's a competition between him and Darius Cooper for who's like the dirty work guy. Obviously, he's a bigger body type. Yeah, different skill sets there. All right, so the 13. If the twos, the twos were similar, a lot of, I mean, they were working on under center

and under center play action. In terms of tight end attendance, everybody out there that, like is on the roster, so Dallas Goddard, Calcutera, Stowers, Munt, Latu, Stone Smart, E.J. Jenkins, Dayquan, right? Everybody there? Yes. I believe so. Okay.

So, I think Dallas was on like a pitch count. They were not, he was not out there all the time. Right. In seven on sevens, there was one snap. Okay. And, you know, shout out to E.J., because this is going to make him levitate. Let me find it. This is one of like the third snap of seven on seven.

Right. It is Goddert, Munt, Eli Stowers, and Cam Latu, all on the field. Okay. Yeah. He said a lot, right, but 14. Oh, you know what? It wasn't, it wasn't Goddard. It was Wilson.

So it was 13 personnel. Right. Johnny Wilson has the receiver. But Johnny Munt, Eli Stowers, and Cam Latu on the field. And this was the only time Stowers was with the ones. He runs a, he runs a seam just sort of to keep the coverage away. Right. And they ended up throwing it to Latu.

I was going to ask how often was Stowers with the ones, even like in 13? I saw him one snap with the ones in seven on seven. Sorry, that was, you know, not, but I was, I was interested to see where he was at. But it's telling because. Because Mikhail Lemon was out there all the time. Right. You know, that's what you expect. The way that we've talked about it,

Michael Lemon is coming in, expected to be probably the number two target, but a huge part of the offense right away. And Eli Stowers is more of a long-term projection. Right. And that is the way that looked in one day. Sure. Interesting.

Receiver, let's talk in terms of like the receiver distribution. So same question. So obviously had no age. Jay. Devante was there. Devante typically is not here. I'm glad you brought this up. Yeah.

Because yes, in years past, I believe the last two years. Right. I don't know if it's got a, like a direct correlation to him not being the, when they whittled down the captain's list like, yeah.

Even though he does everything right. He's not here because he wasn't named a captain. Fair too. I mean. All right. So notable that he's here. Right. So no AJ, obviously.

No Dantavian Wix. You mentioned no Hollywood Brown. He was there. But not practicing. So you had Johnny Wilson, Quetz Watkins, Britain Covey, Danny Gray. Elijah Moore.

And then we have the newly signed Brandon Hayes, the newest eagle. Yeah, I had to drop to that, unfortunately. That's tough. All right. So based off the way that you talked about it, my guess is, and again,

it's not like chart and snap counts or anything, but Devante Lemon, Wilson, lion chair are the reps of the ones? Yes. Cooper, I'm going to guess, Covey, okay? Gray.

Elijah Moore and Gray sort of both mixed together. All right. And then Quess on the back end of that. And you know, with receivers, it's a little bit more fluid. Right. Elijah Moore had one catch. I might have been from Gieland.

I got to find that. And then there was one play where Dalton, Danny Gray made the defender fall. And he was wide open and Dalton missed him on the sideline. Not a good day for Andy Dalton. It doesn't sound like the fact that he was the second team quarterback. It was number two. Interesting.

Even just looking at this too, they do have a lot of speed at receiver. I've just thinking about this for the summer. Which is interesting. I should say this. The depth chart. Yes, the depth chart right now has a lot of speed on it. It's a lot of guys, it's probably like four guys competing for maybe one spot,

like the Hollywood Brown spot. Yeah. You know, that's... Maybe two. Maybe two. I'll tell you, this thought did occur to me, which is just you look at the two sides of the ball. Right.

And the defense is so much bigger than the offense. The offense is pretty small. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Which is tough because this is a team that I think still wants to be like a running and tough and physical football team. Yeah.

And, you know, the offensive line is what's going to dictate that. Yeah. Move that. But the quarterback is relatively undersized. Yeah. You've got Devante and Mackay Lemon has two of your three starting receivers. Goddard is a normal-sized tight end. But look at the defense, the defense,

there's a lot of real men on the defensive side of the ball. I've been thinking about it the last couple days. You know, I listened to like, obviously like everything, all the shows where I'm not on and just like, just thinking about the team. I think a lot, a lot of this offense hinges on Dallas Goddard returning to form as a blocker. Like I think a lot of it.

Explain why. Because to me, like if you want to be a running team, running out of 11 personnel, and I think Dallas Goddard is going to be the primary snap getter at tight end. I think this run game was going to get like the tight ends being good as blockers is going to be very, very important for this run game. And we're expect Johnny Munn to be out there to help with that. But I don't think he's shouldering the load. I think, you know, you and BLG kind of joked about that yesterday in terms of like he can't

solve all the problems. No, he can't. I think Dallas needs to be that. You're not getting that from Stowers. And like, I know like E.J. loves Latu. By the way, like, I can't wait for the next time we're all with E.J. E.J., like thinking that I completely misrepresented everything that he's been saying on the show for the last couple weeks. But I know the two of you are really talking back and forth for me. No, I think that, I don't know, in terms of storylines for this team, Dallas got it returning to form, for me, is like top three in terms of like what this offense could look like in 2020. Top three? Yeah. In terms of like players like players that dictate by play, not by injury, not by injury. Are you looping the whole offensive line in as one?

I'll phrase it this way. I'm not saying that he's the most important. If we were ranking like most important player of the offense. I'm saying in terms of like return a form of play, like quality of play. play. Yeah. I think Dallas, in terms of the guys that are questionable, he is, he's top three for me. I think it's extremely important that he returns to form as a blocker. Otherwise, I think they will, because I think they need the run game to be good. I think the tight ends being good as blockers is big for that.

So if he is not good as a blocker and then the run game suffers because of it, I think the whole operation suffers. How much better does he need to be? Like, could it be the second worst year of his career as a blocker and they'd still be fine? It depends because, like, last year was so bad. Yeah. Like, I would say that he was a top five, like at his peak. Combo-Ti-Den football.

And I could say that, like, without stuttering on it. Like, I feel very, very strongly about that. To go from what he was from that to last year where it was, it was bad for a good chunk of the year. Like, better than Calcutera, but still, like, especially by his standards, not good. If he can get to, from not good to, like, above average, I think that's fine. If he can get back to good, I think that's really, really important.

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Like, not the actual version, but something else going on. And I was very surprised, you know, they didn't, the selective censoring. Because, you know, they're trying to, I guess, because of the football, I mean, just play the song. These are grown men here. Well, they censored her in camp when you've got people in attendance. Yeah, they don't.

Well, not every song, not every song. I mean, most part of the same playlist. Yeah. Censoring, not censoring the N-word. Right. But censoring the word weed. Hmm. Yeah.

I mean. Weed? Weird. Especially given the, you know, the decision-making in the front office with, with Howie Roseman. Maybe that's why. We're trying to stop Howie from toking up on the sideline. I'm trading for somebody.

I thought that was weird. Yeah, that's a little strange. Yeah. Weird. Obviously, the Eagles are not the ones making that censorship decision, but someone did somewhere along the line. I don't know. I feel like they were involved.

Let's see. A lot of, I mean, just to underscore it, a lot of balls over the middle of the field being thrown. It's big. And a lot of balls short. like ball out quickly seven yards what do you think is the bigger indication of change in the

officer hmm actually i guess this is two questions let me go to the first one first how i initially said it bigger indication of change in the offense more under center or more middle of the field throws that's a good question to me it i think the middle of the field is a bigger deal that's why i was going to ask what is the and then what is the more important one? Because the under center is just, it's just a way to get to something else. Yes, correct.

Yep. That's, if you're running the same routes from under center and shotgun, the shape of the defense doesn't change, right? Maybe you change the, you know, the linebacker a little bit. Yeah, but yeah,

if you're, if you're dispersing the ball in different parts of the field, that's a much bigger change to the shape of the offense. Yeah. Right? To me, the attacking the middle of the field is more important, and to me it would be a better indication,

to me, of differences in the coaching, yes. So I agree with what you're saying there. And I also think that is probably a much heavier lift for Jalen to change. Yeah. Because even if we've heard that Jalen doesn't love going under center in the past, which we don't even know if that's true or not. Right. You know, if you rep it enough, you can do it.

That's still, we are doing what is written on the page. When it comes to actually, in the flow of the moment, the decision making of where am I going to go with the ball, that feels like a much tougher thing to change your actual wiring. I agree with that. Yeah, that one is a, is a tougher, that's a tougher thing to change. I agree with that.

I can buy you a new wardrobe. Right. But it doesn't mean I'm going to change the way you react. Yes. I'm trying to find like the right way to, yeah. I can't pick your outfit, like teach you how to match the clothes correctly. Like I can buy the clothes for you and put it all in your closet, but I'm not going to dress you every day.

You got to make the right to make the right decisions to. Yeah. Something that's more split second, something that's more reactive. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's notable, the fact that we saw more of both. I can buy a different car. Maybe I can't make you to make right better decisions as a driver.

I don't know. Yeah. Don't text and drive. No. You know what I was saying? I was talking to E.J. about this. We have the same, just a. stupid bad habit.

Just a... Both of you do. Why do you do this? Yeah. And there's no reason for it. And I know it's dumb and I still do it. Which is, when I get in the car...

Yeah. I'm like, I'll pull out of my parking spot. Right. And then put my seatbelt on. Yeah, that makes no sense. I know. It's just like, oh, I mean, oh, I'm such an important guy. I'm in such a rush.

I'm going to get this car moving first and then put my seatbelt on. Like, why don't I just do it right when I get in? I'm surprised your hyper technology car doesn't start yelling at you right away. Well, honestly, that's part of it. Right. Oh, you want to defy the technology. You don't tell me when to put on the seatbelt. I will outlast you.

Yeah, I think that is part of it. But I don't know why I do that. It's stupid. Yeah. Yeah, that's... It's like I begin the trip and then, okay, let's... strap in. Now let's do it.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Francis gets a kick out of, I've done a lot of, like, over the last several months, like cooking, like large,

large things of food and then, like, transporting it elsewhere. Like, I'm going to cook a lot of my moms and bring it home or cook a lot of my house and bring it to different family members.

So that'll go on the front seat next to me. And the car will recognize that as a passenger. And so if I don't buckle the food in, like, oh, I got better buckle in the lasagna.

Otherwise, I'm like, the trip has started and the car's beeping, I'm driving and Francis is just in the backseat cracking up that the food's not buckled in. Yeah. He enjoys that. That's funny.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a, or if, uh, because we've got the three levels now. Right. So if you have something in the backseat, right. It's like a heavy thing and then you unload it. Yeah, the car treats that like there's now someone who's unbuckled. Yes. A moron.

You don't know me. Did you have any big takeaways from Nick before practice? Oh, good question. Not really. I did listen to that on the way in. What did you think? I thought the most notable thing, and it wasn't even like notable.

He does a good job of kind of dancing around. But the, just hearing him talk about like the blend, you know, building off of what Sean Mannion said last week about like the blending of the offenses and things like that. And I do think that it's something we've talked about a lot is like the word identity and like identity of the offense.

And while the identity changes year to year, I think that is very, very true. You want to, you have an identity or you have an idea of what your identity will be going into the season. It's important to build on that and you install that and you work on that all through the spring and in the summer going into the fall. And then the first month and change of the season, you want to like iron those things out.

The idea that the identity can change. from week to week. I have never been a fan of that. I'm not a fan of like, oh, like, we're going to build our offense every week or we're going to build our defense every week to be, you know, to be like an amoeba and we're going to adjust to how to beat the opponent every week.

I think you have core principles and you stick to that and you say like this is what we are as a team and this is how we're going to defeat you. And you have small tweaks here and there on a weekly basis. I think especially on offense. Yes, I do. I agree with that. I think with defense, it's important to have it,

you know, be more Swiss Army knife. Yeah. but offensively to kind of take the attack to other teams, I think it's important to build that identity out. But to your point, like if, to Nick's point, I should say, to Nick's point, Sean Mannion shouldn't come in here and say like, hey, like, this is what we're doing and we're only doing it this way and screw what you want to do.

Like, this is how we're doing it. That's the wrong way to go about it. I'm excited to see what this, like, what the blend looks like. And there is reason to be excited because it's not like everything that they've done in the past is bad. So finding the things that Jalen and others have done well and the offensive line and Sequin and Devante, finding those things and meshing it with more under center and more motion and things like that,

I'm excited to see what that could look like. And that's part of why I thought that the way they were using motion today was encouraging. I know that we are like really over-evaluating an OTA practice, but for it to be like this is the stuff that we are putting in the playbook from the beginning. This is our identity. This is who we're going to be.

To see such a high motion rate on like the second practice of the spring. Yep. I think that was encouraging. Yeah. That's very notable. The fact that you saw that much of it on day one, I think is notable. Yeah. Okay.

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Yeah, Jalen and Sequin and Jordan Davis. Interesting quote I saw from Jordan Davis, courtesy of our friend BLG, that a lot of the things that the offense is doing this spring that they're installing, a lot of things that gave us trouble last year. Interesting. It's a good nugget. Good way to frame it. I wonder what the, I'm assuming you got a follow up on that,

like what, if he expanded on that at all. Yeah. I would assume like I'm thinking of like the Chicago game. Yeah. You know, where you saw like the motion and the multiple tight endsets, all the Ben Johnson and the wrinkles. Yes, the San Francisco game. Yes, very good point.

So yeah, that's notable. Built off we were saying anything on there. Jordan Davis, of course, I always love the guys who are dancing during practice for the music. Yeah. I would say the four standouts today. Okay.

Jordan Davis. Three expected ones. Jelix Hunt, great dancer. All-Star? All-Star. Yeah, I would say maybe the number one seed. Okay. Then you've got probably Morrow.

Okay. Next there. And then a new edition, Elijah Moore. Oh. Dancing. Nice. Dancer it up. Yeah.

Good to know. Worth noting that Nolan Smith was at practice. Okay. Nick was asked about the incident. He said, you know, we talk about everything. I'm not going to, I'm not going to give you the specifics of opinion. But if I think it's worth talking the whole team about, I will. But no one was there.

Michael Carter, elbow brace. Okay. I feel like those would be like the, in terms of braces to wear. I think an elbow brace would be the most, like, would affect me the most in terms of, like, moving around, like, getting around, like, moving around. Like, I would find that to be more annoying than anything else. And a leg brace? Or a knee brace? I mean, I mean, I, no, because the knee braces are there.

Yeah, I guess that's true. Surely only two. And you could do the neck brace, I guess. Well, it's tough to go through practice with the neck brace. I don't know. I feel like I'd want like more mobility with my arms. I don't know. I feel like that's kind of nice, like pushing for the tackle.

Hmm. Yeah. I mean, Barry Bonds could do it. Wow. might have had help might have had help well not with dealing with an elbow brace um cam jergins and uh landa digerson full goes we didn't ask you as far as i could tell full participants took every rep that they were supposed to um you know the offensive line did an interesting thing okay other chris cooperism here all right uh no the medicine balls were back

i was going to ask if that was back i did not see the kendo sticks but they were doing a thing where uh this was sort of like a uh a run blocking drill type thing where you know they were they were all line the five were lined up and then you get off the ball and work on your steps and then they would turn around and do it again the other way meaning oh everyone switched and tackles switched sides oh interesting yeah so I don't know it makes sense from a um economy of space standpoint in the bubble right right and also just an economy of getting more reps in if you go if you're going there you might as well do it when you're coming back.

Yeah. I don't know if it's functional in terms of like, are they actually practicing being a right tackle, being a right guard or not. But just another way. In theory, you're still, hmm. In theory, you're still doing everything right because it could be like, it's run left right. The only difference would be.

It could have also been, I'm not able to see, like, they could have just been doing the same steps they do it left tackle. Right. They're just doing it. You know, like it was more of an individual drill. than a team drill. Right. And it's just like,

you're getting off the ball. And so it doesn't really matter where you're lined up. Yeah, I was just going to ask that if it was like, was it a combo block? It was not a combo block.

Oh, if that's case, then it doesn't really matter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, without seeing it, I would say that it doesn't matter as much. That's just not something I'd seen before. Yeah.

Interesting. And good economy of space, like you said, because they are, that is tight in the bubble. Yes. Uh, we haven't talked running back.

Anything interesting there? Uh, no. Sequin, Tank, Shippley had a couple wraps with the ones Okay Damien Pierce, Carson Steele I don't remember saying Damian Pierce do anything

But it could just be a me problem I still think they're running back short in the roster Right Five guys It's probably enough Right? The fifth Carson Steele

Oh he's on a right back Wow Busy Now he's not working with the tight ends The fullback No I think I mean I think he's got operators A running back in the often

though. Big white running back. I'm not operating on me. Well, he's not, he's no Ben Van Sumer in. Not rolling that out, return for VVS.

Yeah, he's signed somewhere. Yeah, he's in Miami. I know, but I mean, oh, it's big for, it's big for, uh, okay, that's your way to get back? Yes.

You're way down there, aren't you? Uh, I haven't, I haven't looked here, but I imagine I'm not looking great. Although, I will, I was the highest on most likely for an AJ Brown departure, so we'll see. Okay. What's got going on?

Nothing else. I had a trip this week, and I saw the biggest offender for- Hold on. When I say they're running back short, I don't mean all the 53-men roster. I mean like for camp. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right, yes. I got that, I guess. Oh, that didn't. Yeah. Yeah, for camp roster. Biggest defender for someone in the back of the plane getting up on landing. Like the most offensive one I think I've ever seen. This guy was like in the back row and was yelling that he had to go to the bathroom the entire time.

Dude, you were in the back row next to the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. Like for a good like 90 seconds, which that's like a decent time for some. someone to be like, you know, making noise about it. I have to go to the bathroom. I have to go to the bat. Like after like, it's like, dude, it was bad.

It was weird. Yeah, it was very strange. Makes me, like, was like, something going on with this person? No, it was, because I saw the guy later and he, uh, You think he was lying? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. He was trying to get, he was trying to get off the plane fast.

Oh, you just, you don't think he had to go to bed at all. No, not at all. He had to go, he wanted to get off the plane fast because he was stuck, he could not get off the plane. He was stuck sitting right, you know, standing in the aisle, like right near where we were. Nobody was like go to the back. No, everybody was just giving them the dirty looks like, like I was. I'm surprised.

There's usually like one person who's like, then go back there. Yeah, no, everyone was just kind of like shooting them, shooting them darts. Yeah. I love when you get somebody who like sets a good pick in the aisle and just you're like, all right, they're not going to let those people by. No chance. Like I want to be like, you can go off first. Like, you deserve it.

They're doing God's work. God's work. I like that. post Francis, and especially when I'm with Francis, I am much less likely to confront people. Of course. Pre-pre-France, I would have been, I'm much more likely to speak up on a guy like that.

I did pull a, I've said this on a Philly special podcast with our French chukapadia. When you hold the door open for somebody and they don't say thank you and you're welcome, you're welcome. I did do that this weekend. I mean, that's table sticks. Come on. Unbelievable that someone could hold the door open

for you and you just keep and you walk through with no acknowledgement whatsoever. Crazy. At least a head nod. It happens like at least a couple times a week at my kids' daycare. Really? That's unbelievable. Hold it for another parent and they just like walk through. Like I'm like.

With child or without? No, without. No, it's like, no, it's like, I'm. It's like, I'm like, you like,

you see often. Yeah. And it'll be like, I'm like holding. I'm like, I just drop them on like leaving or like I'm just leaving with them. Yep. And like,

I want to be like, what's so hard to say thank you yeah oh i go i say you're welcome i would say like 95% almost every time i will say you're welcome oh really yeah i think as you should kind of society we're living in yeah that's bad i'm i'm non-confrontational that was a trip trip was great yeah went to uh birthday yep birthday it was uh early birthday for me late birthday for meg mid birthday for so francis turned uh seven over the weekend that's good big one for you. Big one, big 4-0. Yeah. What do you like? Six days or older days away. A couple days away. Yeah, a few days a few days away. I'll put it this way. I think we're going to be podcasting on my, on my birthday.

I think we're going to be podcasting on mine as well. Well, yeah, chances are real, but I'll put it this way. We will probably have an emergency podcast on my birthday. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah. People get weird about the big, I'm not a big, like, I didn't get weird for 30. Yeah, I'm not, I don't feel weird about 40. I think I was talking to somebody, I think I will feel weirder about 41. Yeah, right. I get that. Yes.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, 40's like, yeah. 37. I remember 37 feeling old, like 37 feels older than 36. 40 is, is just kind of like an extension of the 30s. It's like, it's like, it's a period on the 30s. Right.

Yeah. 41, it's like, oh. Right. Yeah. Starting another climb. Oh, yeah. No, it was a good trip. Okay, well, I'm glad Francis had a good 40 years.

Yeah. Yeah, he had fun. How was the holiday weekend for you guys? Good. I can't remember anything that we did. It's all. What did we do? Yeah, we were around.

Do you guys have baseball all the weekend? Or was the, yeah, everything was canceled. Yeah, same for us. practice on Monday. Got it. Prepare for the game last night. Yep. I missed us.

Anger. Yeah. That's tough. Sad. Sure. Will you continue to coach? Will you continue to coach? I would like to.

Okay. Yeah. Does Casey play any of those sports? Not really. Okay. Not any other team sports yet. Got it. Say if you would be open to coaching other,

like if you wanted to play soccer, would you call soccer? I would do soccer, I think. I would need to do, I need to get back in the lab. Yeah, from drill work and stuff like that. Yeah, yep. Stay tuned for the rest of the answer in soccer team. That's right, we're starting the PHL by soccer podcast, youth soccer only.

I would also, I think Jane wants to keep playing. She's playing T-ball now. She wants to keep playing. Nice. I've told her when she gets at this level, I will coach her as well. T-ball's tough. coaching was. Yeah, those people are saints.

That's tough. That is, I'm, I'm very grateful for the team coaches. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I could coach basketball. Mm-hmm. I could not coach hockey. I mean, what other team sports are there? That's probably, that's certainly not coaching lacrosse.

Right. Yeah. Just flag football. Oh, flag football. Yeah. Yeah. This is the first cycle for Francis now, like, where it's like teams, a lot of stuff in our township, it's like,

like, sign up that you do like spring soccer and it's like drill work and scrimmage. It's not necessarily like, oh, this is our team and we're going to play against other teams. Yeah, that's good. I like that. Yeah. So it was a lot of that early. So I didn't necessarily do a lot of the coaching for those sports. I've done baseball the last three years, including the team ball.

Well, I was commissioner last year. I did not partake in commissionership this year. I just did not put my hand up to volunteer for that this year. But yeah, as we go into soccer and basketball competition, I will probably try to coach those. But that'll be during football season, so it'll be, that should be fun. I mean, it's not like you're ever not busy.

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