PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - EMERGENCY POD: Eagles trade WR A.J. Brown to New England Patriots | PHLY EAGLES PODCAST

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

A.J. Brown's Eagles trade finally materialized on June 1, with Howie Roseman sending the star wide receiver to the New England Patriots in exchange for a 2028 first-round pick and a 2027 fifth-rounder. Bo Wulf and EJ Smith react live to the much-anticipated trade and what it means for DeVonta Smith, Nick Sirianni, Sean Mannion, Makai Lemon, and many more members of the team. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the P HLY Emergency Podcast, live from the XFinity Mobile Studio and presented by XFinity, Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, E.J. Smith, and the day has finally come. Eagles fans' long national nightmare is over. A.J. Brown has been traded to the New England Patriots for a first round pick in 2008 and a fifth round pick in 2007. We have just spoken to Howie Roseman. We can explain some of the Eagles thinking behind this move and how we got to this point. But we start, Fran, you got to get going in a minute.

So we're going to go to you first. Your reaction to the departure of AJ Brown, the return, and what it means for the Eagles. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, this is something that we all have expected to be coming for a long time. And we all can acknowledge the fact that the Eagles are a worst team for the 2026 season today than they were yesterday with AJ Brown on the roster. Now, that said, because everyone understood that this was a foregone conclusion, Eagles have been preparing for this. We know that they've acquired a number of wide receivers over the course of this offseason,

certainly no less than the first round pick, Mackay Lemon. The big thing that I wanted to make sure to hit on, though, is the idea of the future first round pick, the first round pick coming in 2028 and not until 2028. And that being viewed as like, you know, downplayed value, worse value than some of the other big, big trades, namely the Jalen Waddle trade from earlier this off season. The big thing, and it's kind of become like gospel is like, oh, well, if it goes one year in the future, then you downgrade a round.

It's two years out. You downgrade two rounds. That I think it's become the like adopted as gospel around like NFL zeit guys around the media and with fans because that's kind of the nature of the NFL, like not for long, like teams don't, you know, coaches, GMs, they don't have job security out that far. So if you're going to make a pick for the future, you'll be. may not be the one making that pick. The reason why that is not the case for the Eagles and for honestly, if I'm Mike Vrable

and I'm the New England Patriots, I would feel the same way. They should still be there in 2028, right? So that is a loss for Mike Vrable. That is a loss for Elliott Wolf. They're coming off of a Super Bowl appearance. So I think when you're looking at the Eagles, you know, it was nice having that extra day two pick off that Hassan Reddick trade from three summers ago, right? Like it was nice to have that here this spring.

So if you're the one making the pick, a first round pick is a first round pick. A second round pick is a second round pick. And so for me, I do think that this is a good trade for the Eagles in terms of getting the compensation back that was required for a player of A.J. Brown's talent. Would I have rather kept him on the roster? Absolutely. But clearly, they've reached a point with this relationship, with this dynamic that it was a, they could, they were they were too far gone from where they were, you know, at this time, even a year ago. Yeah, I think we'll get into the A.J. part of this in a sec. But let's just stay here for a second because we're talking about it.

the future pick stuff, there's a lot to it. The idea that it's discounted is very silly. There's also, there's a reason you don't lock it in this year because, for instance, the Waddle pick, you know, you know what pick that is. There's no variability to it. Now, I think the Eagles would have rather had a 27 pick. There's a little bit of a way to spin it than a 28 pick, but you would rather have an unknown play the lottery 27, 28 first round pick than the 29th pick of the draft,

right? we can get into some of the sort of the horizon about it and how it's it's it's fortunate for the eagles obviously they would have rather had a jrown here as a happy happy camper when they signed him to that deal that's what they wanted but knowing that that was not going to be the case i think you take the 2020 pick go ahead i cut you off yeah no you didn't cut me off it was uh it was a i think that there is like a market inefficiency to some degree about the future picks i think lottery you know playing the lottery is a good way of putting it where we don't know what the new glen patriots will look like two years from now.

And also like that future pick gives them flexibility to be aggressive down the road in the interim between now. Right. They have that asset now to trade if they want to. Yeah, exactly. You know, when we've seen the value of future picks and deals today. So yeah,

no, I think that that is an important thing to keep in mind. Although, like, I'm not here to tell people that, you know, if you're a little disappointed in the compensation, like I can understand that.

You know, AJ Brown's a great player. Like I think the Waddle comparison, I said it earlier, like AJ Brown is better than Jalen Waddle. I know it's not that simple. I know that there's a lot of factors at play there, but again,

I'm not here to tell someone that that, you know, the compensation isn't, you know, maybe even when you're comparing to Jalen Wally, you would have expected A.J. Brown to command more of a market, but clearly,

you know, that didn't bear out. I would also remind you, this is a very full circle moment. The whole reason the Eagles were able to trade for AJ Brown in the first place is because they had a surplus of first round picks from trading Carson Wentz for picks two years out. Like,

So that's how this works. All right, Fran, any final thoughts before you go on just the football of it all and what will be incumbent upon McCoy Lemon and Donatabian Wix and all those guys to replace from an AJ Brown standpoint. Obviously, it's huge shoes to fill and it's not going to be a one-for-one replacement. Mackay Lemon by himself is not going to replace AJ Brown. It's very much going to be a money ball situation where you're going to try and replace him in the aggregate.

You're hoping that the other aspects of the. offense being better than 2025, meaning like the offensive line and therefore the run game. If those things can be better, then that takes something off the shoulders of some of these other receivers as well. And I think there's reason to expect that that should be better here this fall. So yeah, like I said, if you're just looking at it on paper, like the depth chart is better with A.J. Brown on it here for this year. But, you know, you reached a point where that was that was too far gone. It just wasn't reality that they were going to be able to keep A.J. Brown here for this season. All right. The great Fran Duffy are all

City NFL draft expert. Eagle's expert as well. Go coach some Little League. We appreciate it. Little League expert. See you guys. All right. E.J.

Let's get to this. This is, you know, we got here. We finally reached the moment that we were waiting for. How did it measure up to your expectations? I mean, it's hard to, it's hard to say whether it measured up to my expectations. I'm glad that we finally got some finality to this. Why aren't we at your house? I should have been right behind you.

I know. Well, honestly, you know. I think it's fair to say that we knew this was coming and we probably made the right decision that, you know, we will have a cookout now that we do not have the prospect of breaking Eagles news hanging over our heads. Yeah, I would say I'm glad there's some finality to it. You know, I have five thoughts up on all p.h.oI.com that I wrote actually last night, classic procrastination moved by me to wait until May 31st. But yeah, I think that the time has allowed us to really like materialize the way that we feel about this. And, you know, I think the context of today,

you know, with the Miles Garrett trade, obviously the Rams getting significantly better, it is daunting to see that the Eagles are getting worse. Like, and there's no argument against that, you know, obviously, I guess they could use this future pick for a premium player between now and training camp? I suppose so. But realistically, the 2026 Eagles are going to be a worst team on paper because of the fact that AJ Brown is not part of the team. Um, but I think, you know, when I, like what Fran mentioned about the receiving core and Sean Manion being the bet the Eagles are making, I really do think that it zeroes in. Obviously, there are people on the periphery, but it really, to me, zeroes in on Sean Mannion and Devante Smith, a belief that

Devante Smith can step into a high volume role in this, in this offense and take on more of that workload and be able to see a legitimate increase in production because of that increased workload. But I think, you know, obviously we've talked before, there's an internal belief that if he was more featured, if he was closer to the 150 target mark, he would be, you know, closer to the Pooka Nakuas and the Jackson Smith and Jigmas of the world. So I think that there's a big onus on Devante here. And I also think there's a big onus on Sean Mannion and a big on there doesn't need to be as much one-on-one matchup. You have to win on the perimeter to make this offense work. I think that, you know, Jalen Hertz has said it. They will be less reliance on that.

So, you know, they have a big, significant golf to make up with AJ Brown's departure. And that's not even accounting for the fact the past game wasn't productive enough last year. They almost have to exceed what AJ did last year. But I think, you know, if you told me that Devante and Sean Mannion had great years, like, yeah, you feel okay about them making up for that gap. So we spoke to Harry Roseman. And he was asked, you know, essentially, you know, what happened? What did we get here? And he said, I think that when we looked at the totality of the circumstances,

felt like with where we were, where we were going, where he was, meaning AJ Brown, that if we could find something that kind of achieved our goals and his, dot, dot, dot, essentially it was a win-win situation based on where he was and where we felt we were and we were open to that. And so reading between the tea leaves and stuff, I mean, it's very clear. The Eagles were hoping that AJ Brown would want to be back. And, you know, they checked in with him at the beginning. of the offseason and it didn't feel like it was over yet then.

And then as the off season went on, AJ sort of made it clear that he wanted to be elsewhere. And so the Eagles proceeded as such, which I think we could have all read from the outside, right? Yeah. And at that point, the Eagles get to, okay, well, we are, we are, one, we're going to try to send you somewhere that you want to go because there's no sense in a team trading for AJ if he's not going to be happy there anyway.

It's not to say that there's a, you know, he, AJ had veto pass. hour, but a team is not going to trade for him and give up a first round pick unless they know that AJ is going to want to be there. Yeah. And so then the Eagles go about the process of finding a place to get the right value for the player. And that's when, you know, Howie says it's going to take a first plus. And so like they throw in the fifth round pick and you can say that they got that first plus. But it also means that if this was the best offer, this offer is only good enough so long as we can spread

the cap hit out, open up the cash, and then we can get into sort of the time horizon of the roster, EJ, how this all plays into, you know, convincing yourself that you have made the best of an unfortunate situation for the Eagles. But was anything about the way that this all played out in the offseason interesting to you from what Howie said? I thought one of the other quotes that I had here that I found interesting, he said there are parallel paths. We can be a really good team with him. We've shown that in the four years he's been here, but also with the resources that we have, we could build a really good team going forward as well. I think that, you know, the tone that he took was more of a forward-looking tone. It wasn't necessarily

about the urgency of this upcoming season, but sort of like the long-term roster building. And again, I think that you can have mixed feelings about that. You know, like the Eagles are in a championship window. You kind of want them to recognize that and have an urgency about it. but, you know, ultimately, I do think having a future asset like this probably is the right roster building decision once you'd get to a point where AJ Brown doesn't want to be there anymore, which honestly, again, reading between the tea leaves here, reading between the lines of what, how he said, I think that was something that he did make clear in more or less words and he alluded to it,

but still, it's quite clear that, like, it was conversations they had with AJ that led them to decide, like, it's probably best if we don't move forward. I think that I know that I agree with Howie about I would rather have the future pick than a locked in pick at the end of the first round in 2026, especially in a draft that was not very good. I think that's the right decision. I think I think Howie would probably rather have a pick in 27 from the Patriots than in 28, but there remains real upside that this could be a top 15 pick in 2008. and obviously you can always package that to move up and get somebody else. There is kind of a, you know, I don't think this is by design, but it is a fortunate accident for them just in terms of the horizon of,

you know, where they need to open up cash that they have now done with AJ and the guys who are coming up on contracts and who they're going to sign. It is kind of a two-year window, like, you know, Quinion and Cooper DeGene have two years left essentially on their rookie deals, right, before they sign those guys. And so when you're going to sign these big money extensions, it will be beneficial to have two first-round picks if that's when you want to use them. Yeah. And we also should mention the amount of cash that they're saving with this trade.

It's $113 million over the next four years that they have. Now, that's not cap space. That's not necessarily short-term flexibility. But what it does allow them to do is account for some of those big contracts that they're going to have to hand out on the defensive side. So, you know, it's something that if you're an Eagles fan, you've heard a lot about. you know, the flexibility that Jeffrey Lorry being aggressive with cash spending has given the team. And it's going to be an important thing with some of these extensions. So again, these are all like small things.

And I don't want to like lose sight of the fact that like the Eagles just traded one of the best receivers in the NFL. But I do think from a roster building standpoint from like just after hearing from Hallie Roseman, these are the types of things that you start to add up when you when you get to a place where you do need to move on from AJ Brown based off of the conversations that they had. E.J., it is crazy to think about just how much has happened over the course of A.J. Brown's career with the Eagles. Established himself as one of the best, if not the best wide receiver in franchise history, you know, goes through all the drama, all the big plays, all the memorable stuff, and then it's traded all within the span of just four years, AJ, or EJ. And it's just crazy to think about how much can happen over the course of four years. How about five years? that's why you want to lock in the five-year price guarantee from our friends at Xfinity.

Because so much can change in five years. That was great. A hat tip to you. A couple super chats to get to. Will Madden says, is it not journalistically fair to ask Jalen if he turned down going to A.J.'s Or A.J. if he did invite Jailen. Thank you for all the pods. Hopefully that would be the first question that AJ gets asked.

at his Patriots introductory press conference SRG, wow, AJ Brown didn't show up for voluntary OTAs and now he's gone. Eagles obviously run a very tight ship. You know, that's like how we will say like,

you know, I live under Iraq like that would be like you live under Iraq. It's like you poke your head out on June 1st. It's like, hang on, wait a minute. Like AJ missed OTAs and they traded him to the Patriots. And of course, Reverma says he could have been the best

wide receiver in Eagles history, but decided to be a diva instead. Good riddance. Yeah, I've got some thoughts about this. You know, it's one of the sections in my five takeaways was how will AJ Brown be remembered? And I think it's fitting that there's going to be a complicated, you know, legacy left behind by A.J. Brown because so much of his time with the Eagles was nuanced and complicated, you know, I think he is complicated as a person. And I don't say that negatively.

I think honestly, I've said it before. Like he has like an almost refreshing duality to him where A.J. Brown like wasn't, he wasn't shy about his priorities and what he wanted. He wanted to dominate. He wanted to affect winning. He didn't just want to win. He wanted to be the reason that they won. And he wanted to win that maybe as a secondary thing. And sometimes those things weren't aligned.

You know, sometimes Eagles were winning games, but it wasn't with him as the driving force or him. as a primary factor as to why they won games. And I saw him up close struggle with that. And like, again, that dissonance of like the team is successful, but we aren't playing toward the, you know, the absolute peak of our abilities. And I'm not getting the involvement and the fulfillment of dominating games. And, you know, I think a lot of star receivers probably struggle with this.

I think a lot of star receivers probably deal with like wanting to dominate and not always being in the right. environment or the right game state where you have the ability to do that. And, you know, I understand from a fan perspective that it must be frustrating that like winning wasn't enough for AJ. But I do think that it that mindset is what really like I think it drives players like him to be the best at their position. It's a tough thing to navigate.

And I honestly like commend him for trying to navigate it so publicly, even if it wasn't always at the benefit even if it wasn't always beneficial to the team so i'm not going to tell fans that they should be like happy with the way that he operated i think honestly i totally get it if you are frustrated but i think that it is like a real thing that a lot of these star receivers have to struggle with and i think that his was like the most his at least was in good faith for most of his time with the eagles i would say yeah and i think howie made a point to say that you know the the idea that he wasn't in last year is is overstated. Like he he you know when they caught up last season, though they were on the same they

were on the same page. You know, AJ wanted to go chase another championship. I think it's fair to read that you know, sometime along the way that that that wasn't necessarily the case. I think you are allowed to be a little bit annoyed. I'm more than a little bit annoyed but but like yeah, you would imagine that this is a this should be good enough. And I also think from the Eagles perspective, Yes, they are a worst team without AJ Brown, but they are also a better team without a player who is not bought in. That's fair. A disinterested version of AJ Brown isn't worth having as a main fixture on your team.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Football is really hard. You know, look at the best Eagles teams they've had. You need everybody pulling in the same direction. And obviously there's always going to be some kind of interpersonal drama and not everybody's going to get along. but it is it is not helpful to the mission in the ultimate team game to have a guy at that level who doesn't want to be there

and I think the Eagles this is not the situation they wanted to be in but I do think that they have come close to making about as good the best that they could have given the situation yeah I agree with the sentiment there I think I've seen it in the chat too like that you know the way that the way that 2025 went for the Eagles, like, and especially AJ Brown, you don't want to sign up for another year of having that. So in that way, like, maybe the, it's not a significant loss in that, in that regard, but I do also think, like, at the end of the day, like, that guy was going to make, he, he was a guy who you could count on to make plays in big moments. And he was a guy when the

offense broke down, he could create something. So in that regard, I'd still take a, to, a, to me goes back to Sean Mannion and Devante Smith. And really, Sean Mannion as like, you know, when it's third and six and you don't necessarily have a call that you feel great about, like that is where AJ Brown is the, you know, the mouthwash or the easy button, right? They will not have that as much without AJ. They have to account for it. But yeah, I think that there is still reasonably that they can account for it. If, you know, the optimism around Sean Mannion turns out to be well-founded. I think my concern from a macro perspective about how the off season played out for the Eagles.

And listen, they could still do something else. I think we assume that they were probably involved in the Miles Garrett trade discussions. I would not be surprised if they make another kind of blockbuster edition before the start of week one. But from a from a how, like zooming back at the offseason as a whole, the only thing that concerns me a little bit is just how much equity was spent trying to replace AJ, like having to use your first round pick on a guy who maybe. wouldn't have been your pick if you didn't have that huge of a hole.

Similar thing for the Don Tavian Wick's trade, I think it's a lower level player, but obviously the Packers are a team that could use wide receivers and they're giving up on him. I think, you know, if you were playing, you know, best player available and, you know, position agnostic, that's not the moves that they would have made. We'll see how they play out, but you understand why they did what they did. I'd push back a little bit. I think the lemon pick, like, I don't know. Who's jumping out to you is like they would have usually gone, you know, with Monroe

Freeling maybe. I guess Caldric Falk is a player, but I don't know. I think Caldric Falk is probably the player, but I think that it might, I think it's safe to say that it's not shredding up and it's staying and taking an offensive lineman, but yeah, I think it's safe to say that we were higher on Keldrick Falk than the Eagles were based off of what they did. But I think your point holds true that they, they've done a lot at the receiver position, and a lot of it is TBD.

It's a lot. I think even how I would say that. Like, you know, that that group has to prove it. You know, they have to see what this group looks like without AJ. So yeah, I mean, it's a big question mark. But I just keep going back to I think Devante is going to have a big year. I think Devante is going to be one of the big winners of the situation, even though I'm sure he is personally very disappointed to see AJ leave in town.

I don't know. I think Devon's sad. I think Devonty. I'm sure he's sad, but in the same way. that AJ wants to dominate. Devante is a wide receiver too. And now he's going to be a wide receiver one. Yeah, that's why he's a winner.

I don't know if Devante is wired to be, like, thrilled that he doesn't have another big mouth and big mouth to feed in the, in the wide receiver room, especially he's, he's always, we've always talked about. Like, he's always been in wide receiver rooms with a bunch of guys who have been. But they've also talked about how on the sideline

he's actually the one who's always wanting the bitching about not getting the ball enough. Yeah, it's going to be fun watching wide receiver. one Devante, especially like some of those diva tendencies that he has. And like most of them are, you know, innocuous. But like, you know, doing the jump rope while everybody else is stretching. And like, you know, he's not going to be at the voluntary workouts because he's got his old, he's got his own situation in Florida.

It'll be fun for him to kind of like lean into that a little bit more. Along those lines, a super chat from Robert Myers who says, glad to be rid of the drama and will miss AJ. But I think Smitty will surprise us all. Yeah. You forget that he's 1K usually open. And honestly, a good contesting catch guy when he's not open. No, I do.

I think that there is a lot of optimism about what a 150 target Devante Smith season could look like. We appreciate everybody watching live. Nice to see everybody. We are usually live every day at 2 o'clock Monday through Friday talking about the birds. E.J., anything else from talking to Howie or just final thoughts that have perked up to you. I've got some small things, some small things, some small. all newsy things to get through here. So AJ had a statement on

his Instagram. All right. What are you guys? I'll read. It says, Eagles Nation, thank you for welcoming my family and me with open arms from day one. This city, this locker room,

and this fan base will always hold a special place in my heart. So my brother's in that locker room. Thank you for going to battle with me every single day. The memories we made together on and off the field are something I'll carry with me forever. To the coaching staff, trainers, equipment staff, cafeteria workers, and the cleaning crew. Thank you for everything you do behind the scenes to keep us going. there's so many people in the building who make it possible for us to go out there and compete and I'm grateful for all of you playing for this city has been an honor and I'm thankful for every moment I had in Midnight Green thank you Philly much love as always God bless 11 so pretty nice statement yeah that's nice as far as statements go um and then another thing for why he wanted out but yeah okay I'm I am taking the Patriots post about this as like confirming what number AJ is wearing I don't know how else I could read it

the Patriots put out a tweet. It says wide receiver one and it's AJ Brown and a Patriots jersey wearing the number one. So I take that as AJ Brown's wearing number one with the Patriots. Oh, you think that's a direct shot. I'm putting the tinfoil hat back on. Oh, that's interesting.

I mean, he's been 11 his whole career. He has a Patriots jersey that says 11 on it. He goes to New England and he's like, give me a number. Give me number one. Oh, that's really fun. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. What is the return serve that Jalen could do?

Where number 11. The return served that Jalen could do is what we talked about on the show last week. Jalen Hertz can go out there and get under center and throw over the middle of the field and be at the center of a top five passing offense and show everyone that he is capable of doing all the things that I think it's, It's hard to say that AJ Brown, I believe that he could do. You know, I think, I think AJ's decision to leave really is like, it's illustrative that he didn't believe that Jalen could be at the center of the offense that would get him the things that he wanted to achieve. And I think that there's a chance Jalen can, and I think there's a chance Jalen will show him that.

Okay. What were your other leftovers? Those are the big ones. I'm going to be honest with you I don't I didn't like write a bunch of direct quotes from Howie down as to be careful about what I wrote down but I have I mean go ahead

for us to take a 2026 pick that's a late first this is asked about you know why the future pick that's a late for this is like we were saying and have to deal with the cap consequences that come with making a trade priority in first It made some sense for us to look at future picks. And they're also like aware of the drafts that are coming.

And there is a fair point that everybody's talking about next year's draft, how loaded next year's draft is. Well, a bunch of those guys are going to get good NIL deals and not come out. Yeah. And they will be in the 2028 draft. So it's, I think there's a little bit of defensiveness from the team about not getting the, the sticker price of the Wattle Comp. compensation. But I actually, I think that they are right about you would, you would rather have

the upside of it turning out to be much better than the wild pick than, then the immediate hit of getting the pick in what is a mediocre draft to begin with. Yeah, I agree. I saw somebody say that Julian Edelman were number 11 with the Patriots. I'm pretty sure that they've given that number out since then, for the record. Yes, those were the big Howie takeaways I had. I agree that they were a little, I mean, yeah, a little defensive about the, the 2028 first. And honestly, like, rightfully so, what France said. It's like, you know, I had someone say to me over the weekend, like, the pick is worth what it's worth when you pick, you know, whatever the pick. The pick is worth the value of the first round pick the year you have it. I don't think that devaluing them

because they're in future years. Honestly, with the gym, like Howie, like, there's even like added value because it gives you flexibility to be aggressive in the time you wait. So, and I also wanted to say talking about the compensation, it's like, it's important to remember there wasn't really another team here. Like, it was a weird trade in the sense that the Eagles leverage was the Patriots needing A.J. Brown. And the Patriots leverage was the Eagles needing to move on from A.J. Brown. It's not like there was another team that was like pressuring, you know, the Patriots in this negotiation. So I think that's an important thing to remember. I think it's the post-June 1 of it all.

You know, something we talked about earlier, the fact that this deal was likely agreed to months ago. But, yeah, I just think the fact that there wasn't like a robust market at this point in the offseason did hurt the Eagles ability to get maybe a little bit more for AJ. All right. Well, that'll put a bow on this emergency podcast. I'm glad they did it on June 1st, just for the narrative of it all. This is what we were all waiting for. they delivered on expectations.

As expected, AJ Brown has been traded from the Eagles to the New England Patriots for a 2028 first round pick and a fifth round pick in next year's draft. The Eagles, moving on with Mackay Lemon and Don Tadabian Wicks and hopefully an elevated Devante Smith

replacing A.J. Brown in the aggregate. One of the best receivers in franchise history is gone. The Eagles is not happy that he's gone, but feel like they have made the most of a difficult situation. And we'll find out how it goes. For E.J. Smith and Fran Duffy and the great Lindsay and Julia for helping us out behind the scenes. Also, Ben and Jamie on social, everybody.

Good stuff. We will talk to you tomorrow. Actually not sure what time tomorrow's show is going to be because the Eagles have practiced tomorrow that we're going to get to watch and talk to some players. So we'll let you know. Stay tuned to the social media channels. Could be 2 o'clock. Could be 3 o'clock. Could be 4 o'clock.

We'll find out. That'll do it. Last thing, E.J., close your eyes. What is your first thing that comes to mind, A.J. Brown, moment as an Eagle. Okay. I'm cheating because two came to mind. The first one, A.J. Brown, holding the P.H.Y. Eagles account just tweeted this. I sent it to our guys.

AJ Brown holding the Lombardi Trophy at Caesar Superdome. in the locker room afterward. And he was the one to hand that trophy to Jeffrey Lurie in the locker room. That's a moment. Again, I took the video, so it's easy to remember it, but it's a moment I won't forget. And I think it's a moment that's going to be important to remember with AJ, that he's forever a champion with the Eagles.

The other one is against the Steelers when Jaylin threw him the ball when he was running the clear-out route. And he catches it over two defenders and points at him. Like that to me is like the perfect AJ Brown play, where it's like that sometimes he was just so dominant that it didn't matter what you throw out him. The Super Bowl touchdown catch when they lost to the Chiefs, that bomb is maybe the signature play in my mind, but also the pointing is probably the other one.

Those are great plays. Yeah, yeah. Great run. Great run for AJ. And listen, I will say there is a chance, a real chance, that AJ is a declining player. and by the time that this pick comes, it's like the Eagles got a total steal.

Yeah, that pick could be great. And also AJ completely under delivers. There is also a chance that he puts in a superhuman season in New England this year like he did, you know, in 2022, when he first got to Philadelphia sort of buoyed by, you know, this is what he wanted all along. There's real variability in AJ Brown's performance, I feel like over the next couple years.

Oh, for sure. Yeah. I thought you were going to say there's a chance he ends up back with the Eagles, which I was going to laugh at. Yeah, there's some volatility there. My question for you actually. Did I close my eyes too? No, you can. Yeah, close your eyes.

All right, we're fast forwarding about five-ish years in the future. My internet price stays the same. Oh, yeah, five-year price guarantee. Shout out to Xfinity. Thank you, Xfinite. You're watching an AJ Brown retirement announcement announcement. announcement and he's putting on a hat before he announces his retirement. What hat is he wearing?

Patriots. You think so? I don't know. I think he might be wearing an Eagles hat. It's possible. The best stretch of his career is probably going to be with the Philadelphia Eagles. That's what I would say. Well, I think that's right.

Especially because we didn't talk about this, and I know we're going long here. I don't know about the situation that he's entering in New England. I think it's important to point that. that out. Like the bet he's making, I, I don't know. It could go, it could go a different way than he expects. All right. Great stuff, everybody. Thank you for letting us know. Thank you for joining us. Let us know in the comments below the video, what you think of the trade, what your favorite AJ Brown moment is. And if you are happy with the Eagles return here, we will talk to you on the regular show on the PHAWLegos podcast tomorrow. And as always, we love you.

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