PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Summer’s IT COUPLE Is Eagles QB Jalen Hurts & Sean Mannion | PHLY Eagles

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

Jalen Hurts’ early review of Sean Mannion was glowing after the first OTA open to the media in which he utilized DeVonta Smith, Makai Lemon and Dallas Goedert early and often. Fran Duffy and Bo Wulf explain why the Mannion-Hurts partnership is so vital. Plus, thoughts on why the Andy Dalton-Tanner McKee faceoff is actually good news for McKee. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome. This is P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a Thursday afternoon, live from the Xfinity Lounge, and presented by our friends at Ashley, Bull Wolf, Fran Duffy. We are a day removed from the first open OTA of the spring. We got to hear from Jalen Hertz, Sequin Barkley, Jordan Davis, and Zach Bond. And we're going to talk about it. I got some thoughts I have I have ruminated on the Tanner McKee Andy Dalton situation and I'm going to tell you later in the show for NYU I think this is actually

good news for Tanner McKee. Okay, I'm interested to hear that. I'm interested here because I have paid zero thought into that conversation since we last had it yesterday. Okay. Yeah, just thinking about it. Yeah, I got some thoughts. Good.

But I think the big thing to talk about here is what Jalen Hertz had to say. So let's do it. Why don't we, why don't we kick it off? with the right people presented by our friends at Trumark credit union the right people now

you and I both separately sort of came in with a smile on our face about listen it's a press conference Leah yes

it's one day of OTAs let's not get ahead of ourselves if I told myself I was going to say that a press conference in May mattered. I would probably think you were showing me a different version of myself.

And yet, I'm buying stock in the Eagles office. I'm buying stock. Just based off of Jaylen Hertz's press conference yesterday. You agree. Based off that with hearing from Sean Mannion last week.

And Nick Seriani yesterday as well. I think hearing that triumvirate speak over the last eight days, I'm optimistic. I'm feeling pretty good. Yeah. Here's what he said about, Sean Mannion. He said it's been a really good process so far. He's come in and he's very clear,

given good direction. You can definitely see the vision. He's been able to answer all of my questions, very instructive, very helpful. It's been a very enjoyable journey so far. And we'll get more into some of the specifics of what he talks about because there is some real good football nuggets in there. But just starting from what is their relationship like. Of course, Jalen's not going to throw the guy into the bus, but he's said some things in the past that are not quite so flowery. And when he talks about, we can get into the under-center thing he talks about

and explaining the why. I think it's very clear that Jalen wants to know the why behind a lot of things. it's part of the reason that some people have said he's been difficult to coach. To me, that means he's asking the right questions, and maybe he's not getting the right answers. He's getting those answers from Sean Manion because Sean Manion is coming in here with a real belief and a real foundational understanding of what it is he wants to build.

I think that it's one of the things we've talked about a lot when talking about the frustrations with the Eagles offense, namely the passing game, is that when you talk about, about the dynamic between player and coach, especially quarterback and coach, and you'd say, like, all right, well, is Jalen Hertz not coachable or the coach is not doing a good enough job of communicating to Jalen Hertz and reaching him and fostering that level of belief? And I have always been of the belief that, you know, and this is just me personally, that

fault lies on both sides of that. The communication works both ways. And so I think it's incumbent upon Jalen to be more open. I think it's incumbent upon the coaches to do more to kind of. meet him in the middle and find ways to be able to inspire your player to believe in what you're doing. And it's tough listening to Jalen yesterday and not try and juxtapose, oh, well, if he's saying this about this coach, that means he wasn't getting it from the last coach. It's important to remember all these players when they go out for a press conference, they are, you know, you meet with

team PR, right? And you go through things to say. That said, not everything that, that a player is going to go through is going to be straight from the organization because those players also, especially someone like Jalen. Jaylon's got his own. Jalen's got his own things

that he wants to get across, which most high profile players do. I think Jalen wanted to make it clear like that, yeah, like I'm, I'm like it what I'm seeing, yeah. I think he's smitten. Jalen is very intentional about this stuff.

And you just think about the under center stuff. And I'll read you exactly what he said in a second. Yes. But, you know, you compare it to last year. And we're not throwing anybody under the bus, but it's not like they built the offense around that last season. Yes. It was a thing that they tried to go to midseason because the offense was struggling.

The passing game was struggling. And so if you're Jalen and you're asking about that, you're sort of testing like, do you really know what you're doing here or not? And if you're not getting those answers, of course you're going to bristle a little bit and be like, well, why are we going to do it if we don't, if we're just trying something that we don't know very well. Motion for motion's sake. It's like that idea, it's that idea,

but with all these other aspects that we're talking about. And then you go back to the intentionality of what he said at his end of season press conference about wanting to find a home. You know, whether they, I think part of bringing in Sean Mannion is even if it's not Sean Mannion, this is the offense they want to be able to run. And now Jailen gets to actually experience what it's like having this be the foundation of the offense.

Yeah, it's, and we'll get into like the football specific aspect of things and honestly pairing that with your takeaways from watching practice yesterday, watching the OTA in the bubble. Listening to Jalen talk about it, again, paired with Nick Siriani talking about like the blending of things and what their basic approach is and that's mirrored a lot of things that Nick has said in the past. So that's why it's not just like listening to Sean Manning last week and listening to Nick Siriani yesterday. to me, it's listening to all three of them.

I'm excited. I feel pretty good, too. Yeah, I feel pretty good about what this is going to look like. So here's what he said about under center. Yeah. He said, I think you can throw anyone under center. I think the question you ask is why. Why are you doing what you're doing?

What are you doing? What are you complimenting? What's your MO behind what you do, why you do what you do? He says, and so philosophically, it's different than what we've done in the past. I think generally speaking, in the action game, you're influencing different players, running different play action schemes,

whether it's a pull scheme or a gap scheme or an inside zone, outside zone, all of this stuff, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. Everything is connected from a timing standpoint. And he brings that in with, it sort of mirrors the way that Nick Siriani messages things with the team,

how you're 1-11th, and everybody needs to be pulling in the same direction. That is part of the way that the offense is designed. Everybody's got to be on the same page. He also talked later about how in the past they've probably over-indexed on searching for matchups, finding one-on-one matchups, as opposed to scheming guys open. Yep. And obviously, from the outside looking in, we can say, well, why not be able to do both?

Just because you've got AJ Brown and Devante Smith doesn't mean you can't also scheme them open. You could understand how maybe there's like a, well, if you've got those guys, maybe your time could be better spent doing something else. But now they're going to be forced to try to get guys open. but I think much more so even then when Kellen Moore came in and it was like, okay, is this really going to be a new offense? What's going to be Nick? I think it is very clear that this is going to be a much different offense.

There was a lot there that you just said. Like to me, listening to Jalen talk through the, let's talk through the matchup part of it first. And he said, like, you know, we wanted to, we were hunting up matchups. to me going back to our Monday like film review like the screen grabs the screen grab episodes we would do on Mondays and how often I would go to a dropback for Jalen Hertz and would say like okay he takes the snap this is dead this is dead his eyes are here by the time he gets to the second or his second read the timing of the play is all thrown off and we would talk about like the footwork and where Jalen is in his drop and how the routes aren't connected correctly that's exactly what Jalen's talking about. about here is that, you know, to me, like now that your feet, and it goes to what Manu was talking about last week, your feet are tied to your eyes, are tied to the route concepts. And so now you get into,

like, all right, I'm working one to two to three, to four, to five. And it's all kind of built sequentially. And that was another thing that Jaylen said was like the sequencing of plays. He mentioned separately, you know, marry, he was a very intention about what he's doing, marrying things together. There was a lot to like there. They still got to be able to execute it all. You still have to be able to execute it all. And like, who knows? Like, everyone's got a plan until you're punched in the face.

Like, all that stuff. That said, like, I, for as, if I had to grade, like, hey, ABC, like, from what we're seeing so far, what we're hearing so far, it's got to be an A. Like, if you are an Eagles fan, you have to be, you should be excited by what you're hearing right now. This is so silly. I know it is. You know, this. It doesn't mean anything. Yeah.

So Pollyanna. But, I mean, I think. you've got to feel pretty good. Yeah. To me, like, especially if you wanted it to look different, which I think most people wanted it to look different.

But also get the buy-in from that. Yes. You know, right. Not just to look different. Yeah. You know, even Sequin is talking about how,

you know, he's talking to Todd Gurley and reaching out to guys who have run more under center. He's going to be running more under center than he ever has before. Like, all the signs that it's going to be different are there. But to me,

the most encouraging thing is, is how bought in Jalen seems to be about it. Yeah, I think that that is as important of a signal as we could have gotten in the month of May is that like Jalen seems as bought in as he possibly could be. And if the marriage is working well, yeah, to me, like I would be buying stock. I'm hoping we're going to get like paparazzi shots

of Jalen and Sean Mannyin going to, you know, Barkley Prime together or whatever it is. and like, let's get, let's get Summers hit couple going. A lot of, I'm sure a lot of our viewers thought you were going a different direction there when it came to the paparazzi and pictures of, you know, to me, I think at the end of the day, the football aspect of things,

one of the things that I was always so frustrated with with watching this past game over, is that, again, they would make things so hard for Jalen. and it's not that you can't do it. It's not that you can't play the game that way, it's just that so few teams do that now because it's needlessly hard. You don't need to play.

Because there are other like tools that are built in that allow you to be able to go through your progressions because teams are defenses are too good now at disguising. So if you want to say like when you're Jalen Hertz and he says, yeah, we wanted to figure out like we were hunting up matchups. What he's basically saying is, hey, before the snap, I would come to the line of scrimmage and I would have an idea,

I've got Devante running this one-on-one here. I've got A.J. running this one-on-one there. Based off my read of the coverage, if it's going to be single high, I want to play AJ. If it's going to be too high, I'm going to play Devante. But if the defense shows something different

than what they actually play, and I start my first reading, I can't go to A.J. Now I want to get back to Devante. That plays dead because the timing's not matched up. That's essentially what he's saying. So now, like, getting away from that, it's a huge, huge breath of fresh air.

I'm excited to see what that play out. I also liked the, he's been able to answer all of my questions. Opening statement, by the way. That was the first thing he said. He knows that's what's coming. He talks about it again. And the other quote I read about

asking the why. Good for him. Hell yeah. Yeah, right? Absolutely. I mean, I've made this comparison before, but think about like any job that you do. Yep.

if you've got a boss asking you to do something, you want to know the why. Yeah, right? Don't just, you know, I'm not just a pawn on a chessboard. Tell me why. Yep. And he deserves that.

He deserves to have that grabby toss. I think so. And look, we, I don't want to say we, I want to speak for you. I have been hard on Jalen and the way that Jalen has played. And I think that Jalen would also be hard on the way that,

you know, he's the standard is the standard and all that. But again, like, it does work both ways. And so to see, get off to this start seemingly based off these three press conferences that we've alluded to, I think it's a really good sign. He said it's been exciting to learn a new brand of football.

Yeah, a new different philosophical approach. Yeah, I mean, to me, that speaks to what you were saying yesterday about like, that was a lot under center. It was a lot of motion. And it's day one install. And if they are, if this is not the third week of training camp. Oh, there's a lot of motion today. We're going to see a lot of motion this year. for them to be doing that level, that amount of it,

and then hearing Sequin Barclay talk about it, hearing others talk about it, it's going to be a new look offense. Yeah, I just, you think about Jalen and why I think the perception of the way he's been painted in some ways is unfair of a guy who is resistant to chain. Everything we know about Jailin, I mean, he is, he is the son of a coach, he is an absolute football junkie.

It's the only thing he cares about. You know, you watch him swing a baseball, about or whatever. He doesn't know what he's doing. Football is all he cares about. He is Michael Jordan obsessed, right? This is a guy who wants to push himself and wants to be one of the best

of all time. Of course, he is curious about other offenses and learning more about football. And so the idea that he would be resistant to change I think is wrong. It's that this is a guy who has strong opinions

because he's so obsessed with football. ball that he's he's sort of searching out pretenders. And if you are not going to help him get to that level, whether you are a player or a coach, then you're probably going to fall out of favor because he doesn't have time for that. Yeah. And it was, I thought it was really interesting too. There was the, he was asked just, oh, it's another year with a new OC and the new play. And he was like, look, like, I want to become an expert at the position.

I want to continue to grow at the position. That is hard to do when it's always changing, which like, I get it. Yeah. Put that in there. Yeah, sneak that in. But to your point,

like this, and we've always known that. Like that was one of the big things we heard about Jalen, like year one, year two, year three as a starter was that he's always going to find, what is the area where the biggest area why need to improve. And he was able to do that those first couple of years

and make those strides. And so I think the hope would be that, yeah, the big thing is if this, let's say the, even, it doesn't even need to be the 99th percentile, happens here and it's like all this offense is

top three in every major category. Even if they are like it's just a really good offense and not a great offense, chances are like Sean Manning gets hired away. But I think that's why you bring in Josh Grasar. That's why you bring in Gerard Johnson. You have these other guys that you would

have belief that could step in and kind of keep the train moving. Yeah. All right. Let's close the book on the right people presented by True Mark as it seems like Eagles might have the right couple at offensive coordinator and quarterback. We'll take a quick break to hear from some sponsors. On the other side, what Jalen Hertz said about AGA Brown,

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All right. I will say, I went in doubtful. came out feeling not so doubtful about it. It's a very, it's a cool experience. All right, I like that. Yeah. That's cool. All right.

Before we get to what Jalen said about A.J. Brown. Yeah. You've got a few more Jalen left over takes. All right. Let's hear him. So there was one aspect where he said, there was one line. There are components of what we've done that Sean Mannion loves. What do you, what do you think, are they, if you had to pick, like, one or two things that Sean Mannion loves that the Eagles have done in the past that he would want to marry into the system?

I wasn't sure if I was to take that as like the players. Oh, I took it as conceptually. Okay. My gut is that, just that one RPO slide route. Yeah, it is the RPO game because that is exactly right.

I think it would be some of the, the Reed game and the RPO game. Yeah. You know, I think that a lot in this. What is it? Wait a second. You could do four verbs?

I never thought about that. Well, It goes back to like the identity thing we talked about yesterday. And I think of like Sean McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan. You know, people think of like, oh, it's stupid head. Outside zone. No, not necessarily. But it's like the, oh, they think it's it's inside zone or it's outside zone.

It's under center play action. It's not necessarily, it's not that. It's about like put, we want to consistently put stress on second level defenders. And, you know, find open, you know, passing lanes in the middle of the field. sometimes it's from 13 personnel, sometimes it's from empty, sometimes it's from this. You find different tools

to be able to do what you want to do, but that's like your core identity is like, hey, we are always going to find ways but to put those guys in conflict and we are going to prey on those matchups and try and find that guy. And so to me, that's why I thought, because he actually said that too,

is like, you know, when you want to go under center, you know, in the action game, you're influencing different players and things like, He struck a lot of the right chords for me in this press conference. How do you feel about the action game? I like the action game. Yeah, I like that.

Get the play out of here. It's work, actually. There's no play when it comes to Jalen. I like that a lot. Looked slimmer? Or is that? That's pretty consistent this time of year. It didn't jump out to me, but I wasn't in the room.

Yeah, fair. I'm going to keep an eye out. Okay. Yeah, I felt it was a little bit consistent. Yeah, I feel like this time of year. Okay. This was the other one. there was a time when Devante was the guy coming in.

So this was all post-A.J. Brown conversation. So there was a guy where there was a time when Devante was the guy coming in, was viewed as the guy coming in. So obviously, 2021, he's going to be the number one receiver. And then obviously, Mackay and Wix and Dallas and the whole unit. I thought it was notable, number one, that Mackay was front of mind. Wix was the veteran that was top of mind. And not that like Dallas is like fourth and peckes.

order but like all right like yeah he's gonna lean on dallas we know that that's been the book on jalen it's like he's got he's got his guys a little telling like all right like he didn't mention he didn't mention like hollywood like it was like to me like the fact that it was mackay and wicks that he mentioned those two receivers i thought was i thought that was notable a little takeaway yeah it's if you would ask me to say which four he would say that would have been my guess sure i mean he followed the money well like cement that yeah but yeah um yeah that he didn't that he didn't throw in like a hollywood Right. Yeah.

That's all I got. Do you think that his target share will be more equally dispersed this year? Uh, yes. I don't think it'll be like what, like, if you look at what Green Bay was, Green Bay was like very spread out. I don't think it'll be to that extreme. But I don't think it will be as extreme as what it has been. Here's what he said about AJ Brown. And I know that everybody.

You know, we spent a lot of time talking about AJ Brown. We're days away now from hopefully getting the end of this saga and the resolution. And it remains bizarre that it has gotten to this point and just the, you know, the interpersonal relationship between the two of them for him to go from godfather to a child to not even invited to the wedding. But he said there's an if.

Obviously it's been a lingering thing, but nothing can replace all the greatness that we achieved together. And then the follow-up was about their relationship. We said nothing's changed since we last spoke at the end of last season. We're really good. I saw how beautiful the pictures came out at his wedding. I'm very happy for him and his wife and his family. It's a beautiful thing stepping into the covenant.

So I'm very excited and congratulatory for that. Lindsay, do you agree it's a beautiful thing stepping into the covenant? Yeah, but I was going to ask, was he not, was he definitely not invited? or he just wasn't there. Like, did anybody follow up on that when he said that? Like, I would have been like, yeah, that's a good question. I would have been like, well, why weren't you there then?

Like, and if he was like, I had a previous commitment, okay, sure. Like, you can't make every wedding. I feel like if he was invited, he would have gone. I could be wrong. Yeah, I don't know. But then that would be so weird to act. Like, yeah, we're buddies.

It's like you weren't invited to his wedding. Well, he didn't say there were buddies. He said, we're the same as last year. I think he said, uh, he's saying like nothing changed basically since, since he talked to reporters at the end of last season. Right. But like having they said like. They're on good terms, but yeah.

They're not best friend. But like you said, if you're like the godfather. Well, yeah, that's not the case anymore. That's not like you can like grow apart in like a couple years

to not even, like you throw them a wedding. I mean, honestly and it's sad. I think it's sad. Like I said that back in the fall. Like I, it's a shame. It is.

And for it to play out publicly. Publicly. It's a shame. No. And like it could be like you do have times that you grow apart from people. Yeah. Like whatever, but it seems like you did.

Give us the name of a nasty friend fall on, thank you, but. Name of a couple. Wow, their eyes rolled in the back of your head on that one. You know. Went through high school and through college. No, but I just feel like it's like, unless you truly are like, I hate that person. Like, you could throw him the wedding invite if you're really like, that's why I'm like, sound invited.

I think he could have been invited and just income. I think that would surprise Which that would be a choice I think there were enough I mean we don't know the The whole invite It felt like there were not a There weren't a ton of eagles there

Right It didn't seem like there were a ton of guys there So I don't know that the invite list Was super wide? I mean there weren't there too in the wedding Slight and Zay Rogers were groomsman Right Devante was there

Was Devante definitely there? I don't know Or Seqon Sequin was there right But didn't we see a picture of me? I think Sequin was there Yeah, because I think I talked to somebody who saw him on a flight. Oh, really?

Yeah. Was Cooper there? I bet he, because they're, they seem to be pretty tight. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Yeah, but I think you're right. Yeah. It's a shame.

I mean, it's a shame. Question from Epion, Zero, Super Chat. It says, with all of these changes on offense, you think they play Jalen in the preseason? No. I think they stay. Yeah. Status quo, I agree.

I also think, you know, Nick, Nick loves a week one surprise. Right. No. He doesn't want. They're not going to show anything in the season. Can we take this right into the Andy Dalton, Tanner McKee take? Because I feel like this is, no, this is that we're saving that for down the road. Okay.

My guess is we'll see plenty of both those guys. I mean, it'll be a Col Paton show for the second half of all those games. No doubt about it. All right. Anything else from the press conferences from from Sequin, Zach, bond, Jordan Davis that you liked. I thought that in that order,

I would glean the most from like, Sequin Barclay was next. Zach Bonn, then Jordan Davis. I thought the most notable thing from Jordan Davis was honestly talking about the offense. Just saying like, yeah, like,

you know, just kind of, and again, it's kind of reiterating a lot of things. But, you know, just, we talked yesterday about the, the quote,

doing a lot of what gave us trouble last year. So we talked about that yesterday. Chad, informing us that, yes, Devante was there. Okay, there you go. I thought the most notable thing from Sequin was him saying, like you mentioned earlier, most under center that I've ever played in.

I think of Todd Gurley. The Todd Gurley one is very interesting to me. And the reason why is, you know, you go to do the early Sean McVeigh teams with Todd Gurley there, like at the peak of his powers. It was heavily, like, perimeter, like, outside zone. Like that was like the big thing. It was a lot of stretch zone, boot action with the quarterback moving the pocket. I did ask yesterday, like when you talked about all the under center play action,

were they straight dropbacks or was it move the pocket? With that in mind. Just yesterday there was not a lot of move the pocket. Yeah. But if it's typically, if you have a lot of outside zone, I shouldn't say it's always move the pocket, because you still get plenty where it's a really deep dropback and they stay kind of in that, you know, in that boxing ring there. But you will get plenty of rollouts.

So I'm very interested, especially because when I think of a lot of Sequan's best runs from 24, a lot of them were like those sweet plays. A lot of them were the outside zone where like get him to the outside. And he was asked yesterday, I thought it was interesting. Like, oh, like, do you have to be more patient with the outside zone? He was like, no, like not really. When you get the out, a lot of those outside zone runs are, you know, I should say a lot of those perimeter runs, they're more well defined.

It takes a little bit longer for them to develop because you got to, get out there. Your blocks got to get out there. But they're more defined because you're in more space. So there's a little bit less to read. There are fewer defenders in the area. Exactly. Right. So that that excites me from a Sequin Barclay standpoint about what that could look like. But again, there's a different, that is a much different world than what we've seen for the run game in years past. And he talked about how the thing that he felt like he didn't have last season was the explosiveness, the big playability. Yeah. That's sort of faker to leave it. But that was part of it. And also just the fact that he, you know, physically was not quite the same.

Yeah. He didn't want to like, I think he, he wasn't blaming the Super Bowl. Yes. But boy, is that the case. Yeah. Yeah. He, I think he was careful to not put too much on it. He came just short of saying like he was like pressing. I felt like I think he was close to saying it and then didn't. I felt that was the case as the season went on last year. It wasn't, I don't think necessarily early on. But as, you know, like week six, week seven, week eight, I think he was pressing a little bit. Yeah, I thought I thought that was illustrative. The move the pocket stuff

is really interesting to me as well and it just, it feels such an obvious answer for solving some of the things that maybe Jalen has struggled with in the past, which is like staying in the pocket. Yep. And if part of that is because

he's a little bit smaller and the lanes are a little bit less defined and you're deeper into the progression. It's harder for him to find where to throw the ball. Moving the pocket, you know, creating a place for him to throw from, defining it, but also making it so that he's not just scrambling around. And like having there be a place where he can get away from those lanes,

it seems like it makes too much sense. When you move the pocket, you are cutting the field in half for the quarterback where it's not a full field, like, all right, I've got to work from one to two, like, you know, from 53 and a third from left to right there, sideline to sideline,

now you are flooding the zone. So it's like, all, my, I've got three reads on a play, and it's all to the right side of the field, and I'm moving that way. And if it's, if my first read there, my second read, my third read might be, I'm running, right?

Like, kind of, and building that in. Yeah, I think it does solve a lot of, a lot of the issues that we've talked about. Because now it's not, he's running very late in the down. He's running a little bit more by design a little bit earlier in the down. I was thinking about this driving in.

Like, you know, Danaz would throw the stat out about, like, the, how many dropbacks didn't result in the throw and, like, how Jan was, like, so far, like, to me, listening to the last, listening to the last week,

I'm like, yeah, I would expect that number to drop severely this year, just based on, like, I'm, I'm excited by this. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's really,

really good. And then I thought, I thought Zach one was pretty good. Yeah. You're talking about Nacobi, pulls out your heartstrings a little bit. Yeah. that's good but

hearing Jordan talk about NACObee too, same deal. Yes. But, you know, gassing up Vic and some extra bells and whistles this season on defense. Yep.

That gets excited too. Notable that he was asked about, you know, losing NCOB and it was like, yeah, you know, we've got other leaders ready to step in. Jordan Davis, first name out of his mind. And I do think it's notable

because the team is very intentional about when you have a day like yesterday where it's like first day of OTA is like, all right, who we're rolling out? The fact that Jordan Davis is one of those three players, four players, we include Jalen.

I think it's notable. You know, so I think that's a good sign for how they view Jordan Davis in his role in the locker room. I enjoyed the Jihad Campbell anecdote on like the note-taking. What did he say? So Zach Bond was asked, you know, just about like Jihad Campbell, you know, coming along, like this is his first full off season. And he said, yeah, you know, we're in there for day one of install.

And we meet as a unit. And Vic Fangio's going through and he's doing the install. And I see Jihad. and he's sitting in his chair and he's taking all these notes and it's like he's writing in his notepad and it's just all chicken scratch and it's you know so i said so afterwards we break off into individual meetings that's basically when you have training camp spring ball uh you know ota's mini camps you start as a as a defense and then all right linebackers are going to the lineback room db's going to the db so they go into the lineback room and zack said zack bond says to jihad he said let me see your notes

and he's looking he's like he could see that he was kind of like it was a lot he's trying to write down said we got to get you upstairs with Patrick who that's Patrick Dolan the I forget the exact title he's probably like VP of like video operations or technology for the Eagles who's created his job so we got to get you an iPad we got to make this note-taking process easy for I thought that was a fun anecdote for a young player who still again this is his first like time going through this as an Eagle good stuff yeah I thought it was good from that to Pat Dolan that's right all right let's take our next break here on the PHA by Eagles podcast

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told you that Andy Dalton took all the reps as the number two quarterback. Yep. Learned after the show that it has been kind of a daily rotation with McKee and Dalton. So it's an open competition I was going to say still notable.

I was it still notable. I think we expected Tanner is the two, Dalton's the three. But I do think it makes sense. And I think it makes sense for all four parties involved. Okay. For all, not parties, but all four possibilities. Okay. Number one, it's a, it's the fair thing to do to Andy Dalton.

Right. He's here. He was a backup. You want to give him a chance to compete. I think that's fair. It's a bone you can throw him. Yep. You know, it's not like you're losing a ton of reps just yet.

The threes still get repped. Because God forbid, you have a veteran third string quarterback who is still upset about like his role down the depth chart and then goes into the media later and then just like craps on that team moving forward to, you know, for all eternity for the rest of his career because you don't want that to happen. Someone whose name is a full sentence. Correct. So the Dalton part of it is easy.

You check the box. You let him know the chance. I'm with you there. I think it is a good thing for Tanner McKee just for Tanner McKee's preparation because the likelihood is whenever he goes somewhere,

he's going to have to compete to be the starter. I don't think anybody's going to trade or sign Tanner McKee and be like, you are the guy. Right. So he has not done this before been in a competition for a job.

He's just sort of been in the number three and then he impresses as the number three and they move on from Minshu and they let him be the two. Having the reps of what it's like to actually go through a quarterback competition. Okay. I think is good practice for him.

All right. And good preparation for him. This is more copium than the first one. That's more copium. I think that is good for him. Right. Okay. The possibility,

the inevitability of, okay, this is, they're prepping to trade Tanner McKee. You might think, well, you know, you're killing his value if he has to compete with Danny Dalton. But I think it's actually a nice signal to be like, well, no, we're not, we're not just holding him as the two. And Dalton as a three. Everybody knows around the league that Andy Dalton is a capable backup quarterback. Yeah. We had them compete.

Tanner beat him out. He's the number, like, I think early in camp, it will become clear that Tanner is the two. Okay, you tell everybody, you know, he won that competition's pretty. clear. So he's cleared this bar. That's a little bit less of a thing. And then the really wildcard scenario, which is the least likely scenario. Okay. But the, the potential outcome where the season goes badly, the Eagles want to move on from Jalen Hertz, and they consider whether or not they want Tanner to be the quarterback, which I think is very unlikely. I think if they were to ever move on from Jalen, it would be because they're trying to land a different caliber of player.

Yeah. But the possibility of tenor, it's like it's a little bit tied into the preparation of going through a quarterback competition. You want to know, does this guy have any dog in him? You know, we don't know. You haven't seen him compete yet. Yeah.

So like, how does he handle competing with Andy Dalton? Is he grabbing, you know, the brass ring here and being, you know, not messing around? I'm the dog here. You want to see if he has that. I like that. I think I like that more than the, first, like your second of the four possibility.

But the other way I, let's evaluate, let's evaluate what this guy's like when he has to compete. Sure. I think we talked about it yesterday too. I kind of wondered, is it a thing of, hey, we think there's a decent chance we could move on from one of these two guys in the summer with Cole Peyton being our three. Yeah. So if that's the case, we want both guys to get to do without knowing which one is going to be

the two, let's make sure we get both guys reps in that role so that they're ready for, you know, not that you don't think Andy Dalton will be ready, but good to get those reps with all of those players just in case. Yeah. I think thinking back, it probably, it, we maybe should have expected there to be some level of competition. But I would be very surprised if this lasts until August. Right.

I think that's right. Yeah. I would be shocked by that, too. And I also just, I just think that Tanner McKee's a better quarterback right now. Maybe. Maybe. Probably. Yeah.

Okay. Pretty good. What do you think? That's four. I would say of the, uh, I liked your first one first. Yeah. After that, I think it would be number four. Yeah.

In terms of like, which ones I'm buying into most? Uh, then three, then two. Well, but if you get to check all these boxes. Yeah, right. But in terms of the ones that I think are most easiest to get behind. Okay. Yeah.

I think how you can sort of see the strings here. Yeah, I think so. Especially like, you know, when you first said it to me yesterday, I was kind of taken it back. Yeah, I was surprised too. Right. But I will say, too, a lot of that

is probably just based off the preconceived notion that, all right, well, Henry McKee's the two. Andy Dalton's the three that was for a chunk of the off season that that was kind of like the belief and then when you throw Col Payton it's like oh well then I got four quarterbacks

maybe Col Payton needs to enter the competition that's your boy yeah it was a beautiful throw it did it looked a little bit too hard for him to get it there but okay you had to work hard to get that that's the thing is like a he was built as and it's not that he has bad tool

bad physical tools but I think he was built as like oh man like this guy is he's got a fine the arm strength is fine It's not superior. Yeah, it's not like, oh, man, you know, it's not like crazy. Yeah. It takes a little bit of hitch to.

It takes a little bit longer than you would like to get it out. Yeah. No, but it's, I'm excited to see him. Okay. I'm close to Cole Payton. Tanner McKee. What do you think? Good copium?

The second one was definitely copium. Like preparing him for a competition for his future starting job. No, but I don't think that that's not the Eagles. thinking that's me saying this is good for tanner because he's going to have to do this eventually okay all right it's not a why but it's a this is good for okay yeah yeah okay okay okay okay i get i can get behind it yeah i thought that was you were saying that was part of the thought process behind it no but i think it is good for him because of that that's true i agree with that yeah yeah all right same page all right let's take our last break here on the p h. yagle show

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We made a mistake last week. Terrible omission. Bad job by us. Yes. Talking, of course, about the body part lineup. One body part for every position. What's the most important? Right.

We didn't listen to Shakira. We went right from glutes to torso. I forgot about the hips. Passed right by those hips. Mm. Corner. Corner. I think that would be the,

now, depends on what kind of corner you want. And how dare you, this should go to show that we are not above admitting mistakes and correcting ourselves. When required.

When required. Yeah. And for the first time in PHOI history, it was required. We made a hand up. Yep. Our bad. It was bad.

Now, forgot about hips. I would say, personally, like hips are very important. Is it my number one trait for the, for the cornerback spot? No, but if we're saying like if I have to sacrifice that for a other spot, what would be your number one?

Because where did, I'm trying to remember. Were you trying to go eyes for corner? Was that right? Yeah, I think we, I think we landed on eyes for corner because we were saying ears for safety or say ears for linebacker. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I think so, yeah. I think it was eyes for corner.

And honestly, you could probably, I think, I think I might still take the eyes. Over hips? I think so. Hmm. So then you're, Jones, then you're not apologizing.

Well, I apologize that we didn't bring it up. Yeah, I think that was a bad omission on our part for not even bringing it up. Okay. Would you put hips somewhere else then? Hmm. No, I think if I were to do hips for anyone, it probably would be corner. So I think you're, I think what I would probably do is it probably take hips, put a corner, put eyes over at safety, and put ears to linebacker.

Hmm. Okay. I don't know what we're doing with your. with your heart that you wanted to say you wanted to shoehorn in there. I don't know why you hate heart. You're a scout and you don't care about it how much a guy plays with heart. Because heart is not a, that's not, that's not the body part. Sure it is.

No, it's not. Well, I want guys who, uh, effectively pump blood to the body, to the brain. It's important. Yeah. Most important. use brain. I don't understand how brain is different than heart. Well, because brain process, like, that's like the, you know, the mental acuity, I think is, is, that's like something that actually comes from the brain, as opposed to like, what you're

saying with heart is like, oh, the toughness, the fortitude, the competitive, like, where does that come from? Not from a heart, the heart has nothing to do with that. But where does it come from? Probably your gut. Actually, no, that would be the brain. The nads? Yeah, the green ones. Green and ours. Okay. All right, we got 11 minutes.

Last week you mentioned doing an animal draft. Okay. Should we do that for 11 months? An animal draft? For every position. Oh. I think that's what we're... I think that's a whole episode.

I think that's we alluded to. Yeah, I mean, you know, probably it could be an whole episode. Are we going to do a... Just on? That would be fun. That'd be fun. Are we going to do a... I was thinking about this this week.

You won for every team draft? Please. I love that draft. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Not that I don't know anything to do. EJ's going to get smoked in that draft.

Yeah, because he's going to draft like, he's going to draft Cam Lott. Poor guy. He's going to get just demolished, just railroaded in that draft. I think we should. He'll be back on the show tomorrow, by the way. I think that we should find a way to score it for like after the season. Okay. I don't know how the, I don't know the best way to do that though.

I think we have to pick an impartial judge. Okay. And present them with the blind rosters. Okay. And let them decide. So do we find like a, you know, you go like Sean Syed, like someone who's aware of all these players? Yeah. And that's like, all right, maybe it doesn't listen to the show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say like, all right, which roster are you taken? Okay. or an NFL general manager. That too. Gotta be a good one though. I don't need Darren Mojee's take. He's got to run it by AI first.

Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, we got like AI first. It was a very weird, I mean, understandably, but a very weird quote. Sell the team. Yeah, really bad. What a crazy thing to say. Yeah, I mean,

but not all that surprising, given the stuff we've heard coming out of there in terms of like Madden ratings and stuff like that. because it's really only like one step separately. That's exactly right. Rick. Yeah, that was bad. I saw that this morning.

Yeah, that was bad. I'm going to text our, we got a guest joining us. When the show is over today, we're filming something. Yeah. Or later in the summer. We can talk about it. We got, we're doing a ranking. Oh, wow.

We're unfolding this now? Yeah. Okay. a series this summer, because I talked about it on Anthony's show today. Okay. We're going to reveal and rank the 26 best Eagles of the century. From 2020 season, or from 2000 on. From 2000 on.

Yes. Bad break for a couple of people who split the difference there, but since 2000. So we're kicking it off with a nice open conversation with Cuzz and a special guest. but I want to let him know where he needs to park maybe let him know about the I'll come down again okay yeah yeah oh you're gonna go down and make the walk with him oh I'm gonna take the elevator

oh you are oh I walked today I got stuck again today for the second time in three days two days oh two days no three days yeah because there's the day before you got stuck yeah yeah yeah maybe that says more about you I've taken it every day and never what do you think it says about me I don't know

User error. Yeah. You're like a kid. You keep like pressing the button a million times. Yeah, I didn't temptate. I didn't do it yesterday and I didn't do it. I climbed the stairs today. If you know you're going to take the stairs,

are you like, I'll skip the gym. Yeah. That's like, I don't need to take the dog for as long a walk. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm going to get my cardio in. Yeah.

Who would you rank higher? This is for the chat. Or whether, take away whether or not, either of them even belongs in the top 26. Right. Who would you rank higher as an eagle? Michael Vick or Carson Wenz.

And again, it's just their time as an eagle. Yeah. Both one elite season? Yeah. 2017 for Wens, 2010 for Michael Vick. Right. You know, it's unpacking how much does the way things end

and their legacy, like affect their legacy, right? there are so many like good little mini debates within this yes um you know there's the juxtaposing like sequan barclay versus lehon mccoy uh like guys that you know the the classic terrell owens debate of uh you have one like very short abridged uh like about of greatness versus like longevity uh you know brandon graham who plays for, you know, 16 years in one spot.

And maybe, you know, what do you make? We made one, one all pro, one pro bowl, right? Yeah, one pro ball from BJ. One pro bowl in 16 years.

But he's got the most games played in the franchise history. Absolute ambassador for the organization. How do you put that alongside someone who wasn't there as long and, you know, had higher peaks? That's a, it's a very fun conversation. Uh, chat seems to be.

leaning wince. Chat knows ball. To quote EJ. I could go either way. I could be convinced here. Yeah. I don't want to do the show before the show we're going to record. Yeah.

So you can keep this brief. Yes. How did you go about your selection process? Was it a lot of resume? Was it gut feel? Was it like how emotional was it for like in terms of your approach to it? Well, I mean, in just grabbing the people who are even considered.

Yeah. You go, you sort by resume, let's just grab all the, all the pro bowlers and all pros, and let's get them into the ring. Then you go, then you go through the record book.

Is there anybody that didn't make it there? Season by season, if anybody jumps out, just to get the pool of like, 50 or so players. And then how did I go about? Yeah. Ranking?

Yep. Got it. I mean, I have their ranking. I have their resumes in front of me. Sure. But, man, we'll have this conversation. But sorting out, like, how do you rank the top? The very, very top.

Very, very top. If you just remove the quarterbacks, because then that's a different conversation about where you rank quarterbacks. Yep. But, like, you know, the BG, Jason Peters, Lane Johnson, Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelsey, Brian Dawkins.

How do you order that? Ooh, I don't know. So I, basically how I did it. Okay, I was like, I put, like, I had like longevity numbers first where it's like, I had like number of games started, seasons accrued, playoff starts. And then I also put like percentage of starts in their career in Philadelphia. Like how much of their career was in Philadelphia? Like having that knowledge.

And it's like, all pros, pro bowls. Pro Bowls, Super Bowl appearances and wins, NFC, like, Conference Player of the Month awards. Wow. Player of the Week awards. It's actually relative, I was a lot easier to find that stuff that I thought it would be.

For the guys at the top top. Yeah. Like, did you make the all-decade team in the 2000s or the 2010s? Because that's a big thing of, honestly, like future, like, Hall of Fame candidacy. And then you get into, like, the emotional stuff. Yeah. where it's like signature moments.

Like one of the things that carries the OBG is like the strip sack of Tom Brady. You know, and certain players have more of those moments than others. Were you drafted by the team? Or even just, you know, like played your whole career. Played your whole career. Yeah, 100% of the starts. And then also like, how do things end?

Right. I think that's something that. And at the very top, like a Kelsey conversation. Yeah. I think you can make a really good case that Jason. and Kelsey should be number one on the list. Absolutely. So I think you make a great case for it.

The one thing that holds me up from it is, and I think Jason would say the exact same thing, is was Jason Kelsey ever the best player on the team? Right. Yep. Probably not. Can he be number one if he was never the best player on the team? Right.

I don't know. Well, and that's where, to me, the conversation, when you're saying we're going to make this order, like I don't think, positional value is as important in the conversation. I think that's right. I think that it's, it is like, who is the best eagle? I think that's a little bit of a distinction.

Yeah, I think I do. That's what I mean, though. Kelsey and BG are the most eagles of the century. Right. Would they be number one on this list? I don't know. But does Kelsey's thing have to do with him being the center? Like him never being the best on the team.

It's like hard. Like, obviously that's important. You touch the ball every time. but it's like Yeah It's not I mean Hard to be the best player

On the team then I think that it's it's just For a player like that though Like the fact that he is even Like he was even Like he was talking about this Yesterday Yeah

Yeah The flip side is like the availability matters Like a guy like like Lane and JP They're better players At more important positions But they've missed a lot of time They were a little bit less reliable Jason Kelsey never missed a game

You know Also is Jason Kelsey like better For like the locker room like being part of the offense. Like does he keep everybody kind of happy? He's like friends with everybody. I like the way Matt H says it in the chat. Is it best eagle or best eagle?

Yeah. You know, right. And those are distinctions. Yes, I agree. Good conversations that we will have in a few minutes. Before we go, a super chat from the person who you were throwing shade at earlier, Chase Daniel Plainview, who wants us to rank the attractiveness and we will do it.

Of the four commissioners in sports, which we will do in Bovertide. Oh, wrong one. All right. So you got Roger Goodell, Adam Silver, Rob Manfred, and Gary Bettman, ranked by hotness.

This is somehow more difficult than ranking the top 26 Eagles of the century. Because, I mean, who deserves to be number one here? I feel like Goodell. I think it is Godel. Because he's like generic looking.

Yeah. I think it is Cadill. Unfortunately, I think you got to go Adam Silver at number four. Oh, really? For him. I think you got to go Silver Four. And I think you got to go Betman 3. It is easier to work from bottom up.

You got to go to the bottom up. I think you got to go Silver 4, Betman 3. But to give either Roger Goodell. or Rob Manfred, the distinction of hottest commissioner, feels extremely gross. And yet, unfortunately, I think you do have to go Godell one. I think it is, yeah. Manfred, too.

Yeah. I think that's right. I wish there was a different. Hopefully there's another sport. It could be a disruptor and come in with a real smoke show at the top. Damico Ryan is now the commissioner of the NFL. No, we're talking. Let us know in the chat in the comments below the video after you like it,

how you rank the commissioners. And then we'll see you tomorrow at 2 o'clock with the great E.J. Smith. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Fran. Thank you, everybody else. We'll talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And as always, we love you.