PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Trusting The Tape on Eagles Rookies Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers & Markel Bell | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

Fresh off his Diehard event, Fran Duffy has the goods on Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers, Markel Bell, Jonathan Greenard & more. What does the best version of Lemon look like in his rookie season and what would be the danger signs of an underwhelming start? Plus, why Drew Mukuba is the X factor for Vic Fangio. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. Hello, everybody. Live from the Xfinity Studio, Xfinity Lounge. Actually, got to get used to that as we've moved. We're here. We've got better lighting. We've got more thighs. We're presented by Ashley. Thank you to Ashley for this lovely furniture that we've got here. That's right.

Friend Duffy. Bow Wolf. How you doing? Doing great. How are you? Good. Thank you to Ben for getting all that. to last night. Yes. That was good.

Very good. How would it turn out? Turn out was great. Yeah, it was a fun event once again. So we had a bunch of diehards here at the studio. We went through the film of the entire Eagles rookie class and Jonathan Grenard. So it was a good night. What were the people most excited about?

We spent about 90 minutes on the first three picks. And it was probably like an hour in 15 on McKay Lemon and E. last hours. We spent a lot of time on the first two picks. So yeah, I would say that was definitely the majority of the conversation. Well, let's use that. Let's use that to discuss those guys today. Because yesterday we had the professor in and we were doing the little best case, worst case scenario exercise. And one of the players we had on that list that we didn't get to was Mackay Lemon. And so I'm curious. Obviously, you have already studied Mackay Lemon. You've done the work here already. But doing it in front of everybody and talking it through, did that change anything?

and what were sort of the questions that people were asking. Yeah, it didn't necessarily change anything for me. It was a, it was definitely a reminder. Because with a lot of these players, I haven't studied them for months. Sure. For Lemon, you know, I went through all of his targets. I want to say it was after the senior bowl before the combine.

So it'd have been, you know, it would have been a little bit. But to me, like, rewatching him just kind of reaffirmed. Like, yeah, he's just a really good player. You know, and so we actually spent more time than I would have thought. going through like blocking with him. That was a lot of things. That was one thing that everybody brought up was like, all right,

like let's watch a lot of his blocking. I mean, really, real sick of stuff. Sick of stuff. It was phenomenal. Also, I mean,

what are we doing? Well, I think the big part of it was the idea of what this Sean Mannyin offense is going to look like and the use of all these receivers and different play action concepts and, you know, being able to disguise things from a run past standpoint.

So just getting a sense of like his toughness and physicality, but then all. also his willingness to really get in there and, you know, dig out of safety, you know, crack a linebacker. Like, he did all that stuff. So it was, it was good. It was, I thought it was a good look into his total skill set. I mean, guy catches everything.

We talked about him as a route runner and how, you know, the differences between he and Devante Smith. And it's like, you know, Devante as a route runner, like he's one-on-one, he's going to separate, right? Like, he's going to route a guy up and he's going to get open. With Lemon, he's a little bit less of that. it's more in a crowd having great spatial awareness and finding soft spots and making themselves available for the quarterback, which is a good skill to have, but it is different from

Devante. So while they are similar in that it's not like, oh man, like look at the physical specimen, it's like the toughness, the feel, the reliable hands, like it's a lot of those same through lines. You're not making me very excited about Mikhail Lemon. And when you're using the, that you're trading up. Yeah. I'm using the 20th pick, 21st pick. Yeah. On a wide receiver who you're telling me can't reliably separate. No, it's not that I can't rely. It's more the type of, the type of route running is against Devante. Okay. So I, he can separate. Yeah. Of course he's not as far as Devante. Yes. And like one of the things he's hanging his hat on, one of the positives, the first like three things we're talking about is, is his

willingness to get dirty and block, even though he's a slight guy to begin with. So what's the marginal difference you're getting? Like, what's the benefit of that? I think that those are valid points. And I think in any other drafts, I would say like, yeah, he's not worthy. But I think in this class, that's why, look, I was lower than, I was, I think, I think by the consensus board, I think by Arifisansa consensus board, I was the lowest on Mackay Lemon. But I still had him as a top 25 player. It's a stour situation. You still had him as a... He was a top 25 player from me, right?

So it's not like, oh, man, I'm not... I hated this pick. To me... And as you've said, you, part of the reason was you were worried about what kind of system he was going to go into, and this is a good landing spot for it. And we did watch the game against Notre Dame, which you and EJ had talked about during the wide receiver episode where, you know, he faced a lot of press man coverage.

And he faced, it was like 90 press snaps last, last season. 31, and we looked at all of the snaps in this last night. 31 press snaps against Notre Dame alone. So it was like literally a third of the time he was pressed last year was against Notre Dame and against Leonard Moore who was going to be a top pick in next year's draft. And it wasn't a great tape. So 10 years ago, it would be like,

oh man, he can't beat press. Like this is bad news. Now it's more, it creates a little bit of question in terms of like the scheme fit and him being a little bit more dependable on the landing spot. And that was my cause for concern. But in this landing spot, okay with it. Like if they were playing, if it was last year's scheme, I'd be like, oh, yeah,

I don't know. This could be, it could be questionable. But with how we think they're going to play, I think it'll be mitigated. Yeah, I know. I know. I don't want to be, I don't want to be, I don't want to be a down right here. Right. Let's talk about the, the real upside case then. because if this is the perfect landing spot for him, both schematically and expectations-wise, he's not expected to be the number one wide receiver, how do you envision him being used in the perfect scenario this rookie season?

Yeah, I think that he is the guy you want to keep on the move. I think they'll continue to move Devante around as well, but you want to keep him on the move, keep him protected, stacks and bunches and moving him, he is like the Z and slot, right? And so I think when you're looking at Mackay Lemon, protecting him as often as possible if he's going to be the primary or secondary target,

like not deep in the progression for Jalen Hertz, I think that that would be beneficial. You know, and we can go through like, because he was a guy that we were going to cover yesterday and like best case and worst case. In an ideal world, yeah, like best case, he is number two on the team in targets, you know, behind Devante.

And he's a really big part of what you would hope is like one of the top 10 passing games. games in football. Do you think that the most likely scenario is that he is getting 80% of his snaps in the slot, something like that? Well, it's tough because, so the last, and we talked about this last night, the last year at this time, the big cause for concern with the Seattle Seahawks was, oh, well, they went and they signed Cooper Cup and they had Jackson Smith and Jigba. It's two slot receivers. Like, it's two guys with the same skill set. What are they doing? In that scheme, because of all the reduced splits and like, you know, the tighter formations, like the,

uh, in terms of like slot percentage that can get thrown off. So yeah, I think that you're not lining him up outside the numbers one on one and saying go win. Yes, that's not his game. So, but I don't think that though we'll ask him to do that that often. Okay. And obviously, so much of this conversation is wrapped up in not only do you have to trust Sean Mannion to know where all these pieces are going and, and, and teach it well. Yep. And, and call it well. But it also means expecting that Jalen Hertz is going to embrace all of those things and do some things that we haven't seen him do before. So like the Mackay Lemon implementation is a bit of a leap of faith,

both in the offensive coordinator and the quarterback. Yeah. So when I was going through like what my worst case would be for McKay Lemon, the way I looked at it, I was like it's very indicative of the health of the past game and the offense in general, in my opinion. Like looking at what we envisioned for Mackay Lemon, And I thought best case, you look at like CD Lambs rookie year where he was second on the team in targets behind Amari Cooper. He had over 100 targets.

He had 95 catches, five touchdowns, right? Or not, sorry, he had over 900 yards receiving and five touchdowns. That's a great. That's a great outcome. For Lemon worst case, I said like, all right, like if it's the lack of motion and the lack of stacks and lack of bunches and he ends up, you know, look at like Matthew Golden last year in a similar type of offense, right? 42 targets, 29 catches, 360 yards, no touchdowns. They're not attacking the middle of the field. That's where he does a lot of his best work.

They're not able to protect him as often. He doesn't have that rapport with Jalen Hertz. He gets out-targeted not just by Devante, but by Dallas Goddard and or Dantavian Wicks or Hollywood Brown. And all of a sudden it's like, oof, you know, that's a big concern. I think if the Eagles, if the Eagles pass game hits, I think Lemon is a huge beneficiary. and if it doesn't hit and it's all the...

He is kind of the bellwether it feels like. I think so. Devante's going to get his numbers. Yes, I think so. Yeah. I mean, I can see a scenario where Dantean Wix is the guy that they trust and is getting way more snapped. And is the every down receiver and Lemon is really more of just like a third down player

because Wix is the guy that they can trust. Yeah. That's not a situation we haven't seen before. Right. I think the, and this goes into like, all right, you know, the personnel groupings and, you know, how do they want to play? If they do want to play 12 or 13 personnel a third of the time, I'll be fascinating to see, like, who were the two receivers that are out on the field with those guys? You know, if you've got Devante and he's got that ability to be a true three-level threat,

I don't view Mikhail Lemon as a three-level threat, like, in terms of like pure vertical speed. Like, I don't think that he's that guy. I think that Devante has that stretch ability. We know that Hollywood Brown is that kind of guy. I think that he's got that ability to be the stretch player. But Mackay Lemon, there's a lot that he can do working like the intermediate area. And if he is showing the willingness to be a blocker in those sets, and again, you're keeping defense's guessing.

Yeah, like if the whole machine is working together well, he's a benefactor there. Like I think he benefits in a big way. Charles Caso at the Super Chat, Fran, says, does Lemon eventually become the number one wide receiver and take the majority of targets and catches, or is Devante the guy for the next few years? Love y'all go birds.

We love you. I would be shocked. So do you think Charles Caso is a nickname for Chuck E. Cheese? Yes, it has to be, right? That's pretty good. Chuck Cheese, right? Yeah, got to be. Yeah, I think so.

When's the last time you partook? We went to a birthday party at Chuckie Cheese, probably two months ago, something like that. Yeah, we went for that, we took France for the first time. We realized he had never been, and we went like on a Saturday in the fall. Yeah. He's like just aged out, though.

He like, he was just like a lot of jobs to touch. Yeah. A lot of the games are a little bit beneath. Yeah. But there are a few people. He wants to get going on. Yes. I'm playing a couple.

Now, if you have your run of the place. Yeah. You yourself at Chuck Ears, what are you going to be playing? Um, I mean, the various pop of shots. I think it's probably the big,

the place to go. That and like ski ball, right? Or, uh, give me the, uh, pro ball at the clown. Oh, we clean up. Yeah, that's, so when we go to the arcade,

if I could, you could give me five hours just playing that nonsense. Oh, we, at our, we have, there's an arcade at Willgrove Mall. And we go there pretty pretty good. And it's like, it's, there's enough balls that come out that like Francis and I can play together. Nice. So we just like clean. That's where, that's our, that's our big ticket getter is that one. That's a good one.

All right. So do you think there's any path where McCall Lemon becomes the primary for, producer in this passing game. It's, he's got that profile to be like the, you know, and that's where the, the comparisons to Amon Ross,

St. Brown like come in because, you know, St. Brown was, he was a fourth round pick and, yeah, it was like, oh, like a lot of work over the middle of the field. And even going back and rereading my eval on St. Brown,

I did that, it was in the last week's newsletter in the all NFL draft newsletter. I was like, yeah, like, I don't envision him being this guy, but he could be like that, that target hog in an offense.

That could be lemon, but I really do. I think it's more likely that it's Devante, especially when you think of the equity, you know, put in with Jalen Hertz. Sure. I think Devante profiles as that guy moving forward.

He is capable, like it would be in the same way that. Yeah, like the way that JSN is like the high volume target, right? Yeah. And like the way that JSN is like the high volume target where it's just like,

yeah, like he's not a 43 guy. He's not 6 foot 4, but he's really tough. He catches everything and he's got a really good sense of space and, you know, and things developing around him

and just making himself available for the quarterback. he's out there all three downs. That's the path for McCoy Lemon being that guy, but I just think Devante is probably ahead. He's certainly ahead of him in that role. All right. I think where we landed is, I think it's fair. I like that McCoy Lemon is sort of the bellwether

of how this offense performed. Yeah, I think that's the case. If McI Lemon has a good rookie season where he overperforms expectations, that means to me the passing game is a top 10 passing game, right? I don't envision a scenario where we look at McCai Lemon's rookie season and we're like, oh man, he was awesome.

And then not also look at Jalen Hertz and be like, oh, yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know if he's the guy. Right. Right. I think that that reality does not exist. Yes. I think there is a possibility where Jalen could have a good year, but Mikhail Leman underperforms. Yes, I think that's true. That's possible.

Yep. If, you know, it's a big, it's a monster Devante season and Tom Tavian Wicks overtakes him. Yep. He's just not quite ready. But I think it's really hard to see the opposite. Yeah. All right. So the Bellwether.

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No. Did they bring pitchfork? There were no pitchforks. Everyone was interested to watch. Everyone was it was good conversation as we were having some dinner. we were eating pizza like beforehand. And that was the big topic of the conversation throughout that. And then we said,

all right, well, let's watch Lemon first, then we'll do Sowers. And you get up there like one of those early 2000s shows where they're like, they bring women on stage and they're trying to like circle their imperfections for plastic surgery. You're just like absolutely going over Eli Stowers like this is flabby here. You're just,

you're absolutely picking them apart. No, it was it was not to that extent. It was, um, we actually started with the blocking. I'm going, believe it or not. Like,

you're yelling at them. You are an idiot sandwich. Say it back. No, it was, I said it first. I was like, should we start with the receiving stuff or should we go to the blocking?

Let's start with the blocking. So we started with the blocking. And the way we looked at it. And that was it? No, we watched, so we watched the plays that were graded as positive blocks first.

And then worked into, we didn't even go to the negative blocks after that. It was more like, let's just watch all of his blocks on this run concept or this run concept and try to find him. And so we saw some good ones early on. I was like, all right, let's start with the positive plays. And there were a few.

Like, there was like, yeah, like, that's really nice. And everyone's like, all right. Like, there's something. And I was like, those are good. I was like, that's not the norm. So we go through. And I was like, so we went through and watched like all blocks from like this run concept and that run concept and that.

And they were like, okay, like we see the concern. So it's just a matter of can you get. get like those like brief flashes because it was like two or three it was like yeah like that's good like if you get that they're fine like you're checking the box and you're in good shape um but blocking a the the safety for uh Mississippi state is different than having to go block Derwin James right or you know not even Derwin James like uh you know whoever yeah so we went through the blocking uh and then we went to the past catching end of it and you could see the juice right You can see the, you can see the explosiveness.

You can see the speed. A lot of his routes, a lot of his best plays were all like either schemed up. So it was tight end screens, shovel passes, throwbacks, or it was like straight linear plane. So it's slot fades, deep crossers, over routes, like not a lot of watch him run the stick route and separate. Like, you know, basically like NFL tight end routes, right? So you're kind of like not to scheme them open, but it's a limited route tree.

And so one brought up the question, and it was a great question. He was like, so you got to have to use them a certain kind of way as a receiver. And I was like, yeah, at least early on. And you kind of have to scheme around them

as a blocker. And I was like, yeah. And I was like, that's why I'm, that's why I am where I am with Stowers, is that it's a developmental player in a lot of ways. So in that way, don't you feel similarly about Stowers

as you did to, uh, the, the, the Yukon wide receiver? Uh, no, because at least with,

at least with, at least, with him, I could see like this is the path. He's got like, there's an elite trait there. But what I mean by that is, don't you feel better about him going to a team as a second round pick that means that they have to have a plan for him as opposed to if he had been a fourth round pick and they're just like, okay, you go play tight end. We're not going to spend extra time figuring you out.

And then he's sort of left to, left to, you know, sink or swim. whereas now they have to have a real theory behind him. Here's the thing. Okay. I feel like we have heard that story. So not with the Eagles, but with this type of player. Yeah.

The Broncos select Greg Dulcich. Oh, they've got to have a plan for this guy, right? Oh, the Cincinnati, or no, who took Noah Fant? You know, Noah Fent gets driven the first. Yeah, they take Noah Fant out of Iowa. It's like, oh, like they got to have a plan for him. Those, Kyle Pitts. Oh, you got to have a plan for them.

The guys that were, no matter where they get drafted. I'm usually on your side about this. Yeah, no matter where they get drafted, those guys just, they struggle to meet like that expectation. Because again, it's possible. Yes, could he develop into like insert great dynamic pass catcher? Absolutely. I think that the ways that you try and scheme around him as a blocker,

you know, like one thing that was consistently brought up on social media for me draft weekend was all, well, they had Zach Hertz and he was never. a good blocker. Zach Hertz played for the Eagles, number one, in a scheme, but also in a time in the NFL where it was like very RPO heavy. So they didn't ask Zacharts to block nearly as often.

He's running slant routes and he's running and it was just like, all right, well, we're going to run inside zone and he's running a slant. And so he's blocking the linebacker by running a route and occupying him in space. Like that was how they used that. There were times where he had to block somebody, but it wasn't all that often because of the nature of offense in today's league. like a lot of the RPO's, that that rate has dropped over the last few years.

And so, you know, we don't see that usage nearly the same. Now, you could still run RPO's with him out there, but it's, again, like,

if you're only going to put them out there in those cities, you're just being, you're just more predictable in that way. So yeah, I honestly, I feel about the same as I felt about Stowers over the course of it.

The path is there. The flashes are awesome. I just, it's a tough bet to make. I do. I find it, hard to care too much about the blocking at this stage, given the fact that he is new to the position. I know that there have been guys who have gone through this before and that theory is,

you understand it and hasn't really borne out in practice. Yep. I still, he's, he is not going to succeed or not succeed based on him turning into a mediocre blocker or not. Oh, see, I disagree. I disagree with that assessment. I think it's so much more about is he, can he be an actual difference maker as a receiver. But if he, but I know that in order to be a difference maker as a receiver, it means he has to be out there. Be on the field.

Right. Right. Right. But I think if he gets to a 25th percentile blocker, that's probably good enough. If he can get to a 25th percentile blocker, yeah, that might be good enough. To get on the field.

Right. I know. It might be good enough. Yeah. Might be. And he's got to get to 25th percentile. I don't know that. That's not.

what I mean. It's like there are, there are levels. What would you say Calcutera was last year as a blocker? Oh, like throwing a percentile on it? Um, uh, seventh. Okay. Sixth. Yeah. Yeah.

And I would say that's kind of where I feel he's probably in that. He's in that right now. He's single digit. Think about Calcutterra is. Cucatara does, when he tries. And there, there are reps where like he would try. But, you know, there was a great point. And I apologize for not remember.

the name of the gentleman who brought this up last night. But Stowers as a former quarterback, he was, you know, on one hand, you look at it and like, hey, like he's new to the position, so he's still learning it. There is also something to be said, and this is, this comes up not just with this kind of conversion, but I know, like, we talked about with like Maxi Honachor. It's like, oh, like guys that are new to football

or new to a certain, you know, to offensive line coming over from a different spot. If you spent your entire life, you spent your entire life playing quarterback and, like, avoiding contact, and not being like, you know, not necessarily being that type of athlete where you're like initiating contact and taking the fight to a defender, you might, he might never get there

because he's just, that's like not ingrained in him. So that's, and I think that's, yes, that is the way that team, some evaluators will look at that. Okay, so how about as a receiver? What are the ways in which you would like, you would like to see him be utilized this year? I think that the RPO, like slide routes, that's a great way to use him right out

out of the gate. The stuff that we've seen with Goddard in the past. Like those kinds of plays, that's money. Because you're removing him from the equation as a blocker. You're keeping him on a linear plane. He doesn't have to be a good route runner for that, right? Again, like all the, whether it's like deep crossers off play action. But again, like if you're out there for play action,

you got to keep the defense honest. It all goes hand in hand. Anything like running in a straight line. like he's money. I'm excited to watch him get better, like breaking a defender down as a route. To me, like, you could see a difference in Dallas Goddard, going back to rookie year Dallas Goddard in the summer of 2018.

Him running like the Stick Nod route specifically. First we get training camp to the end of the preseason, you could see the difference and be like, oh, he's getting it, right? If you could see that same kind of growth from Stowers, I think that'd be awesome. those are the it's like those kind of great because he didn't run those kinds of routes at vanderbilt he wasn't asked to do a lot of that so um you know the in terms of like creating his own separation uh that would be big yes okay so did you feel like the people here last night we all were i think we were on

the same page yeah you won them over i think i mean i don't want to speak for everybody um yeah so if you were there uh leave it in the comment section uh if you feel that way but um i felt like we all landed in the same area. And it was a lot of discussion. It was a lengthy discussion about Stowers. And just like the usage of the position and, you know, like some of the pitfalls on it. Okay. How did the, how did the Markell Bell experience go over?

The Markeld Bell experience was fun. Yeah, it was a, it did turn into your take on the first exposure to Chris Cooper did come up. And I was like, I told them how I was listening that night. I missed the episode live that day. And I was listening to the episode back. I was making dinner and I literally stopped what I was doing and texted you guys immediately because I would have agreed with you in the moment. But no, with Markell Bell, a lot of people are just like, oh, like big offensive tackle,

can he pass protect? And I'm like, actually, I kind of like him more in past protection right now than in the run game, but the run game is still pretty good. Like there's a, he has natural issues with dropping his pads and getting good leverage and, you know, moving guys off the ball consistently. Their flashes are there, but, you know, then they got into like, oh, like, the, you know, the skinny cat, like the skinny legs to end of it. And I said, well, it's not that he's got, it's not that he's got like no lower half. It's that he's got really

skinny calves. And I don't know what his like ankle circumference and like knee circumference. Yeah, right, we can get a real good look in the studio. He's got like good looking quads. He's got to fill out the glutes are a little bit. But those are things that can improve over the course of time. The calves, like from the knees down, that's not changing. That's that, that's not, you're not getting bigger there. Um, so that was one thing that someone brought up, it was like, oh, like, uh, Chip Kelly, like, is that something that like chip. And it was like, yeah, like that was something that was, was big for Chip Kelly. It was like body typing guys from like, basically from the waist down, like looking at the knees and the ankles and the calves,

um, and trying to project future growth there. Uh, I remember that was a big one with Benny Logan. Like, uh, oh, he was, he was big at LSU, but he's got the ability to get even bigger and he can hold onto that weight and be good and ironically enough like injuries uh you know kind of cost benny later um but yeah i thought it was it was good for mackle bell i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you a uncomfortable prospect question i'll let you think about it over the course of the break can i can i really quickly yes the stowers is a rookie thing yeah yeah did we talk we did talk about this in the show yesterday right did we say we said we were gonna punt it to today yeah yeah okay i agreed with e because you guys were on the show and ej

TJ texted me and said about, what was the 38% playtime. Something like that. Right. And I said, I believe my response was, uh, my struggle, my struggle the whole time is that he'll never get past that. And I don't think,

I would be surprised if it is more than that as a rookie. I don't think that that is indicative of like the future success of a player. That, that, that, determines whether or not is a good pick. That is not, that's not the way I look at it. My concern is that he never gets past that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if he never does, if he never gets past that, that's a bad pick. Right. So that is where I kind of land on that conversation. I wanted to make sure that that was clear there. I want you to think about. Okay. What is the match of position and body part that you care about the most for a prospect?

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I think you would actually prefer it be the other way. As far as I'm concerned. But let's get your answer, Fran. What position and body part do you feel like matters the most when you're watching guys? It is absolutely the glutes and the bubble. The junk in the trunk for linemen, yes. Offensive linemen and defensive linemen.

If you can only pick one, which would be. I can only pick one. Probably defensive lineman. Okay. Don't bring me a flat defensive lineman. Yeah. I think that's probably, yeah.

I mean, okay, and why? That directly correlates to power. And so, and I think power is a, I shouldn't say harder to find, but it's harder to improve. Okay. So, you know, if a guy needs to get stronger. Difference between strength and power.

Yeah, yeah, sorry. So if a guy needs to get stronger, you think of, you know, the way I, the analogy I've always heard that I've always heard, the one that stuck with me from a long time ago was looking at his water, right? So an iceberg, very hard to, or it's a very hard to move. That is very strong.

So that's like strong anchor. Think of Lane Johnson. He's facing on a bullrusher. He doesn't get pushed back in the pocket. Early on in his career, he did. He needed to get stronger. He got stronger. And now he's really, really stout.

Power is like a waterfall, whitewater rapids, like that is like the, the four. force to move, move objects against their will, that's power and that is harder to find. So that is directly correlated to the size of the guys. Yes, correct. And Lane Johnson now. But the lane always had that power. And that's where, like, you know, guys that are heavy that carry a lot of weight that jump really well, especially like the broad jump.

Broad jump and weight, that's like a good, like, combination to show like exemplify power across all positions. And say like, all right, like, yeah, he's. moving a lot of weight a long distance. That's exemplary of that. Is there, is there an example of a guy who, who didn't have a lot of power back there

that, that then underwhelmed, that like, made you feel this feel stronger about this? Um, it's a good question. I can, honestly,

this is pretty easy for me to kind of like look up. You got one's there with it? No, I don't have butt rankings. Sort of. I've color-coded Bucumference right. All right.

So we're going to go here and yeah, it's actually nice. Max Gene Gillies, what was he back? It's honestly not that hard to look up. So give me one sec.

So I can go to all offensive line and drafted in the last decade. Okay. I'll sort by, here's what I'm going to do is I'm going to sort by draft day. So I'm going to look just at,

I'm going to look just at first round. PICs. Okay. So that gets me to 53 offensive tackles drafted in the last decade in the first round. Okay.

And then I'm going to sort it by my, um, the weight adjusted jumps. Okay. Just show like, all these are the guys that did not jump well

at the combine. And that should, it should directionally show me guys that got drafted high. They didn't have great power. First of all, there are only two that, yeah,

see, like that's actually, that's actually interesting. There were only two that were below the 20th percentile overall that were even drafted in the first round. So, like, guys that didn't have power, like, it's very hard from the get drafted. We're still doing defensive line or offensive line? These were offensive line and offensive tackles.

It was Jonah Williams and Garrett Bowles. And Garrett Bowles definitely needed to get bigger. He, no question, needed to get bigger and stronger. It took him time and he got there. Still even, like, power is not necessarily his game. It's more like athleticism and strength, but he needed to get both stronger and more powerful. The other is Jonah Williams, who has kind of struggled there.

So those are the two lowest. Mike McGlinchie is next. Elijah Vera Tucker is next. Ikea Kuanu is next. But those guys are, it's more like average overall. So, but then when you look at who are the biggest one, who are like the, in folder. It's Armand Membu, Tristan Werf's, Darnell Wright, Marius Mim, so it's a lot of younger players

still. These guys who are packing. Or a very pat, yes. Penae-Soul. Fulonga, yeah, correct. So, yeah, that's definitely one that I look at. Okay. Arm length for defensive linemen is a big one for me too.

Arm length for defensive linemen specifically. But you'd rather have, you look at Brandon Graham, you'd rather have that ass than those arms. Yes, I think so, yeah. Okay. And it's, if you don't have either, sure. That's where it's like Cassius Howl.

I was really low on Cassius Howl. He didn't have either. Okay. Not explosive and not long. That's tough. Ruben Bain, really powerful, not long. So it's like, all right, like I can sacrifice one for the other. But if you don't have either, that's a tough one.

That's a tough. Do you, is there, if you're on the outside, do you not want the bubble? On the outside. So like further away from the ball. Yeah. When you got Debo out there. I still prefer, I still prefer the bubble. Yeah, I prefer the bubble to not the bubble.

All right. But you don't need it. There are certain guys too, like we're, and this is more like just looking at, like, you can look at Devante Smith. And, like, he is, like, super, super skinny. You're like, all right, like, this guy is, like, built for speed.

If you look at, uh, I think of, like, a good one, like, Colin Kaepernick was, like, built for, so you look at him as, like, a quarterback. And you're like, like, this guy's just, like, built to be a sprinter, like, straight line sprinter. You look at Eli Stowers. Like, he is built for straight line athleticism.

Yeah, you can kind of look, get a sense of guys. There's another one that's, that's interesting that is, like, how a guy's feet are and knee, I think I took yeah so we talked about like knock knee there was like an offensive tackle at the shrine bowl where I'm looking at him I'm like oh man like that's that's bad whereas like his knees are like bending in like he's very like knock need that's like a horrible predictor for like future injury um there's like yeah lots of stuff there's just being just repulsed by this guy's knees I literally like took a picture and sent it to a guy I was like oh that's not good he was like oh that's bad it's like the middle of January blizzard. I'm like, oh man, I got to send this door guy, no. That's stuff. All right. Any other takeaways from the rookies last night worth passing along before we get into the Drew Macuba? Yeah, we got, we talked through, um, I want to say, so basically the way

it went. So it was, we had a slate to go from six o'clock to eight o'clock, right? So it was 90 minutes, 90 plus minutes on those first three. Yeah. And so then Jamie, uh, Jamie Lynch was like, all right, guys, we got like 15 minutes left. Uh, anyone else want to get to? And we're like, all right, let's skip ahead to Jonathan Garnard. Let's go through Garnard. So we did Garnard. We got through his stuff quickly and then, and it was good. Like it was, you know, we went through all of his pressures.

And so it's like, yeah, like, he's still got it. He's got the ability to win in a lot of different ways. Obviously, it was only three and a half sacks last year. But you saw that he still has juice. He can win inside. He can win outside in terms of like inside half versus like winning off the edge. So I opened it up. And I was like, all right, anybody else you guys want to get to?

It went. We talked through. are Bernard at the beginning because there's nothing to like look at. We talked through through him early. Cole Woznevsky came up next. Okay. So we went through and just watched all of his, because he had eight interceptions in 2023.

Yeah. We watched all eight of those picks. And I had done that somewhat recently, like in like mid-March, early March. So that was like fresh. What's that? Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.

So that was all fresh in my mind. Yeah, but there was some really, really good plays, like really instinctive heads-up zone coverage plays in there. So we saw those. I want to say next up was Michael Morris. So we wanted to see Michael Morris. We saw the traits there. I mean, for a guy that big, really athletic, really explosive,

just kind of like, can he put it all together type of situation there with Morris? Trying to think, who am I missing? Well, you got, you got Colpaten and you got Keish on James. We went through, so then we went through Cole Payton last, or Col Payton next, and then James Newby, we talked through at the end. So yeah, no, it was, it was good. It was a fun night.

Cole Payton was good. We went through, basically we went through like the, a lot of like the big time throws, you know, in terms of like how those were great. So like, all right, let's look at what are some of the, the throws that he made that, that impressed. And it's a lot of arm talent throws,

down the field, touch, like layered stuff. Like, again, like, it's just, he's a one-year starter at a lower level. So it's not a lot of, oh, man, like, watch him make this throw in the middle of the field, the anticipation, the great poise in the pocket. Like it's not a lot of that. It's more, all right, he's really clean off play action here, and he's rolling to his right, and he makes the throw across his body to a deep crosser. Like, that's impressive, right? But it's a lot of like the primary read, get the ball out to the first progression and make a throw. Like that they were there on tape. It's just

we kind of talked through it. It's like, yeah, like he's got he's got 14 starts under. belt. It's just a very small sample at a lower level of competition. Yes. Not usually the path for a productive NFL player, but no. They see something. Yeah. He's got he's got tools. There were a lot of people that felt he was the best quarterback at the senior ball. And I said this, if he had entered the transfer portal two years ago, so it gave him two years to play at the FBS level, or even if it was the FCS level, he would have had a better shot, I think, of getting drafted higher. Like, Mark Grinowski was the quarterback at South Dakota.

State. So same level, same conference, and they won national championships. He was like, he's the winningest quarterback in college football history. He was in this draft class. Went undrafted. And Grinowski entered the portal last year from South Dakota State. Took a nice deal. Went to Iowa.

Peyton is way more gifted than Grinowski. So, yeah, like if he ended up in Iowa with a solid deal, like, Peyton would have ended up, I mean, he would have gotten SEC offers. Like, he would have got, like, it would not shock me if, like, Missouri or so he could had gone there and started for two years. Who knows how high would he got and taken? Like he might have been a second or third round pick. So, okay.

Yeah. I get the idea of being, to me, I do think he made a, I don't want to say bad decision. It's all, these guys all make the right decision for them. But starting for one year at the lower level, that's, that's just a tough sell. If you want to, if you want to get drafted high, if that's the goal. If that's what you're, if that's what you're engineering for. Yes. Okay.

But you think he's a, he's a chance to be a special athlete. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's, he's really gifted athletically. the arm is like if I'm out of a five point scale like maybe it's a four like it's a good it's a good arm but not like oh man like not like otherworldly arm um but yeah all the all the aspects the nuanced stuff of playing quarterback it's going to be to work in progress okay good stuff yeah it was a fun night that was the pizza pizza was that was really good um apparently it's walking distance to here Jamie told him tells me he goes there for slices and I don't want I'm

trying to remember the name of the place. It was good. I enjoyed it. All right. Sorry we can't give him a shout out. Yeah, it was good. All right. All right.

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And we both agree that there's a lot of variance in what could come for Jumakuba. So would you like to take the upside case or the downside case here? You have a preference? Not particularly. I'll do the best case. All right. Best case is obviously there's a lot of consternation about the safety position in general, right? Best case, he is.

either like the true ball hawk and like his like taking the ball away and he's like you know creating explosives kind of like you think of like cj gardiner johnson in that scheme kind of deal or he becomes kind of what reid was from a present standpoint and he's like was one of the he was a captain in college like doesn't necessarily need to be a captain right now but he becomes a glue guy communicator um takes a huge jump mentally and replaces reed blanket ship in that role in year one that is best case scenario, I think, and I'm not even going to get, because production and safety is,

that's tough to call out. I would say it's one or the other, and I'm not ruling out that it could be both. Like, he could be both guys, which would be awesome. But I think best, more likely. I would say it's probably more likely the,

like the production end of it. Because he's got that ability to take the ball away. And, you know, we saw a little bit of that last year. He could put himself a position to kind of be, it might be a lot to ask for him to be that guy, especially missing the second half of the season last year. But, you know, like, with the turnover in that room,

like it's possible that a guy might ascend, you know, and feel like, hey, like, this is my shot, like, I'm going to go. So, yeah, I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question. I think the worst case scenario is not unrelated to the conversation we had about Jahad Kambler yesterday, which is that the time he spent injured at the end of the last season leads to him still being behind mentally. which I think he probably was a little bit last year. Of course, as a rookie safety, you're going to be swimming a little bit.

And there's no reliable veteran caddy for him. Yep. You have either guys like Marcus Epps, who knows exactly where to be, but maybe he doesn't have the physical tools to cover for him or somebody else. It's Michael Carter, but he is also figuring things out as a new position. And Drew Makuba is the guy that opposing offensive coordinators circle every week because this is the guy that we're going to exploit.

He's going to get sucked in on all kinds of misdirection stuff. He has more of the plays from last year where he's missing tackles because he's going for a big hit or he's flying downhill getting sucked in by things. And there all of a sudden is a real weak link in the secondary where you're supposed to have potentially the best secondary in football. That is a big enough weak link to make them just a mediocre passing defense. Watergun to your pinky toe There's also the possibility that he doesn't say healthy again

Because he's the way that he's built Yes, correct Watergun to your pinky toe You had to guess one of two outcomes for him in training camp In terms of his usage in camp Yeah Is it what Reed was last year Where he's like he's out there with the ones the entire time

And it's the rotation next to him Or is he part of a rotation at two spots And it's like both spots are open And everybody's competing for both spots Water gun to my toe, he's first team all the time. Yeah, that would be, I mean, that would be the hope. I think that would be disappointing if he's not. Yes, that would be, that would be concerning if that's not the case.

I think I don't think it's off the table. I think he will be, but yeah, with Vic. Right. It's possible. It's possible. Yeah. How many turkeys are you putting on, on Howie trading for a, no doubt starting safety before training camp?

Oh, before training camp? This summer. 11. That's it. Yeah. Interesting. Before camp? Yeah, I don't think before camp.

Yeah, I don't think before camp. I have it before week one. Before week one, I'd probably put it up a little higher. 35. That's it. Yeah. Interesting. So are you holding space for Cooper de Jean?

No, I'm just, I think rolling with Epps. I think Eps and Macuba. Yeah. How many turkeys are you putting on Cooper deGene is more of a safety than we're anticipated? Because you were talking about those fires in North Philly. We can really see them. There's a lot of black smoke coming out of there. Yeah, the drive here today was crazy.

No, I think they want to keep them. I think they probably want to just keep them a nickel, maybe my guess. I think it's possible. Yeah, it's definitely possible. I'd probably go single digit. I probably felt stronger about it last year than I do this year about the possibility.

Like pre-draft last year before they took McCuba. I was like, yeah, like maybe they just take the gene and put them in safety. But I think there were enough signals last year. that they didn't want to do that. I don't know. Okay. I don't know.

Makuba is a fascinating player to me. Yeah. Especially in the wake of blanket tips departure. Right. It's potentially a lot on him. Yeah. I don't know. I should even say potentially.

It is a lot on him. Yes. Fire truck's not. Fire truck. Seems like they're a little bit late to the party. But. Well, yeah, that's like that's a new one. That wasn't there when when the show started.

I don't think so. No. So like there was like a mile long stretch of train tracks and there was a fire like that when I was driving in on the other side. And then I pull, I'm going down broad and the fire trucks were stopping to put in another fire along train tracks. And so I had to get rerouted. So I turned around and like went back under the bridge and went down like 12th Street to go to another. And there was another fire that they were putting out along train tracks like three blocks away. I don't know if it's one big fire along train tracks or if it's lots of small fires. But that's not where that was. That's a different one. Yeah. That looks like it's disconcerting. Is that like, is that where Temple is? Yes, right?

Because that's, isn't that? No, that's not Temple. Right? I'm getting, I'm getting ZB turned around right now. That's North. This is North. All right. Well, then, yeah, so that's the area.

That's a different fire, though, because that smoke wasn't there when the show started. What a day. Reminds me of, when my middle daughter was born, she had, you know, getting pooped for her first couple days. Okay. And she was trying to worry.

Like, she's supposed to poop. Yeah. Yeah. And we had an Eastern European nurse. Okay. And she's like, well, you know, she's farting, but she's not pooping. And she goes, where does smoke there is fire. That's pretty good

I always remember Where there's smoke there's fire I feel like I would just I would be just using that all the time Our dog Just has just Terrible gas So I'll be I'll be using that all the time now

I'm dead of smoke That is fine I want to respond There was a comment in the chat during the break going back to the Stowers conversation. Can Fran explain how he had Cody Harky ahead of him? Cody Hardy, rather, ahead of him,

ahead of Eli Stowers? It's very easy. Well, honestly, again, this goes to like understanding the process, how I stack players. Yeah, so it's the, I'm not predicting the order in which they are drafted. The way that I have guys stacked is like,

this is what I project the role to be. I've already talked about how I've got questions about what Eli Stowers' role is going to be. in the NFL. And I think that he's going to end up being like a borderline, like second, third, tight end. I think Harkie could be a dominant inline player. And I think that, yes. There's a role for him in the NFL for sure, you think.

Correct. And so I look at that. Yeah, like he could be like a really good number two. That's going to rack higher than a guy who was a two or three. Pretty cut and dry. Match for my cup. A shirt. Good look.

Good shirt. Yeah. Thank you. How do you feel about wearing ostentatious like BLY gear out in the wild? I try to do it. I try to go out on my way to do it.

Okay. Yeah. Brand awareness. Yeah. You don't want to draw attention to yourself but necessarily. It's not drawing attention to myself. It's more, you know, it's,

I look at just trying to spread the word. Yeah, exactly. And they're comfortable. Well, I always say that. Yeah, it's a very comfortable shirts. So, yeah, like, I've got the black one, of those. I wear that pretty often.

Yeah. I do it. I do it enough. Yeah, I feel like the red, the, I feel, I feel the black is less ostentation.

The red is a little bit, look at me. Yeah. I think it's fine. I think it's fine. I don't know. When I was like with the Eagles, like I wasn't going on my way

to wear like Eagles gear out in the wild. Do you still have Eagles gear that you wear at home? Sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. A good. like comfortable stuff.

Yeah. I'm not going to throw away. I mean, some of us have journalistic principles. I'm not allowed to have Eagle stuff in our house. Wow. You're not allowed to have anything? I have to hide it. It's so silly.

The Jets and Eagles are not rivals. No, he just hates the Eagles. Hmm. Hates the Eagle. Like we'd get free stuff from like working at Eagles, like sweatshirts. And I just like give them to friends. Really? or like I'd like take it off and leave it in my car if I was going to go my in-law's house like after we finished like a show I would like make sure I had another shirt with me or like the shirt I was wearing was it yesterday it's like a green shirt with just like a white football I was like this plays both ways sure that's a good point a lot of green

which green do you like better like up the eagles like which green would you would you rather put on better better better like like which green would you would you rather put on better better better pop for you. I don't know. Eric got this really cool Jet Starter jacket yesterday. Mega sale. And it's really cool. It's kind of like the older. Okay.

More retro green. I guess that's cool. The commenters are worried about you. That he doesn't let me? Yes. It's more respecting. Okay. I could.

I'm not afraid of him. Just like, you know. If I do it, then he starts. during like Yukon or like Xavier stuff. Oh. So he was mad. I put our daughter in a like shirt that had all the mascots,

Billy mascots on it. Okay. And swoop was in there. So, um, with him on swoop. I feel like if I, when I like, I'm like allocating emotions to certain fan bases.

Like, you know, like the Lions previously was like, sad fan base. Sure. The Jets I do feel is like an angry fan base. Oh. like antagonistic.

I wouldn't go that far as antagonistic, but I would say more angry than like the lions were like sad. But don't you think, but don't you think it's like a self-hatred? Not always, no. A little bit with some, yes. And like some were able to like laugh at themselves in that way? I mean, the problem is there that's the circus of the NFL.

They're all clowns. Yes. Yeah, I do find Jets. Yeah. Probably. See, that's why he. reason the guy turned into the Joker, you know, you're a clown that long. That's why he hates the Eagles because everybody would like give him so much crap being a Jets fan

growing up around here. Sure. So they're the antagonist. Yeah, but it's not, you know, it's not their fault. We've been drafted terribly for 20 years. Here we are. Woody Johnson owned it. Since when Belchick left.

Answer. What did you say, Lindsay? I said it was when Belichick got hired and left because he didn't want to be with Woody Johnson. You could argue the best head coach body part situation is the only good Jets run of the past 20 years, which is head coach feet. Yeah. And that'll take us to? That takes us to overtime. It's overtime.

It's overtime. I got most men would like to do a lot of things. Limes that just live in my head until the day of that I don't. I can't believe I forgot about it. I'd like to thank Mr. Loper. I'm disappointed that you forgot it. I thought that you would like, oh, like, you know.

Man, what a classic. I'd like to thank Mr. Loper. It's like opening statement. Oh, we've got to find that. That's so good. It's a really good one. I was just listening to Damico this morning. Yeah.

The Houston post-draft press conferences. Yeah. Good. I enjoy their, I enjoy their, like their philosophy. Like, I enjoy those press conferences, Nick Casario and Damico Ryan's. Heelan Rutledge, first round. Killing Rutledge, first round. They took Ohio State, the nose tackle, Caden McDonald's, second round.

Yeah, they took, they did a nice draft. They took, they had like five picks on day three. It was like four or five picks. All, all, all, every single one of them was a captain. So that's usually a marker for them. Continued that trend. Is the butt thing really just like a box you have to check?

Or could it move the needle if this guy's got a bigger butt than this guy? More of the box to check. Okay. Yeah. You just need to have the bubble. Yeah. It's not like there are. It's more like...

Are there diminishing returns, you know? You got a Bravian Roy situation. Well, no, because there are guys where it's like a bad looking bubble, too. Like there are somewhere it's like... So it's not just the presence of the bubble, it's the shape of the bubble. Yes, no question. Okay, so what constitutes a good shape? You're looking like the firmness, the muscle definition.

Okay. That's usually the term I use in the write-ups and the report. So you want it, you want it circular, but you want it to be firm. You need like some curvature and, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I feel like he's talked about it before. Who?

BG. Okay. It's kind of like the butt that you're looking for from a defensive line. Yeah. No question. Okay. Well put together. Do any sloppy butts come to mind?

I'm trying to. I don't want to throw any way under the bus. Under the butts. You know, like one guy that just did like did not have, like it was like just, there's just not a lot going on back there. Maybe played offensive line. and he played, he's a good starter in the NFL. I'd say Amalo didn't have much.

No, yeah, very flat butt, yeah. And that was very anti, like, this is a while ago now for the Eagles of 2016 draft, but, yeah, that was atypical. Defop. Michael Dunn, we've talked about this with Marissa before. He's out there, it's very funny. He's got this flat butt.

Yeah, Ryan, undrafted for a reason. Shout out to Michael. Shout to Michael. Yeah. I mean, overperformed his butt expectations. Of course, yeah. That's got to be like, there's got to be a stat out there.

Yes. Yeah. Starts over butt replacement. Right. Fire looks like. That's good. And now a little bit. Yeah.

Good. I did a smoke there's fire. I think of some other ones there. Running back butts is a big one too. Would you rather, running back, would you rather have butt or thigh? Thigh. Yeah, you want.

They are typically connected. though. Typically. Yeah, what I'm saying. Like, in terms of like, usually it's hard to have a bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, running back might be probably, it's probably next on the list. You don't want to over index and thigh, though.

That's how you get up with an AJ Dylan situation. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that was too much. Yeah. I was reminded of, something like going through, like,

something I usually do this time of year. Just like body types and like archetypes of player. I remember Andre Williams? He was after AJ Dylan. He was the running back at Boston College. This might have been during, your it might have been it might have been during your hiatus yeah i don't remember him andre williams andre williams yeah he was right back at bcc no he was just a giant he was like

j dillon it was like this guy's like gigantic he was a low he was like somewhat local too i want to say he was he was bucks county he went up to bcccc he was drafted by the giants yeah william hold on man by six foot 220 yep was uh from south white hall township not quite bucks kind parkland high school what year did it come out he was 2014 draft and that Oh, okay. Yeah, he proceeded, AJ Dillon. Okay. I got Andre Williams.

What you got? I had to pick another position after running back, though, for... What about, like, linebackers? You care about, like, the ankle flexion? Yeah. And this whole discussion? Yeah, I think that's... It's gone over.

It's... The screen grabs with McCoy Lemon. during rookie camp was a little, it was like probably overboard. What was funny, I saw a post going around that weekend. It was like, like,

this is common with all like, you know, the best, the best skiers. Like, all right, well, then if that's the, if by that logic,

every skier should be a great football player. Like, just because the guy's got great ankle flexion doesn't mean he's a great player. It's an indicator of like lateral athleticism. Yeah. But, yeah.

I think that, that's less indicative and it matters more for certain positions than others. Okay. How about a nice wide back talking, talking wingspan? Wingspan is bigger for offensive linemen and defensive lineman. To me, like in corner, probably look at corner there too. Where it's a negative is at quarterback. The longer, the longer, the guys that have longer arms.

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot of looser, not looser, but a lot more elongated. release okay how about nose yeah i don't think there's any correlation there what if we did a draft a body part draft okay let's do this right now let's create the we'll create the perfect team okay but you got to pick one body part per position and you can't reuse a body part okay okay so you want are you using your butt pick on offensive or defensive line i have one question yeah are we talking only visible body parts or can we like are we talking like internal organs as well. I think you can use the mind for quarterback.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, okay. I think that's fine. All right. Yeah. All right. All right. Who's going first?

Let's build it. Well, let's work together. Okay. Let's, let's build this together. All right. Quarterback is mine. Yes. Number one overall.

I think. Over heart. Over. Well, I mean, heart is important for all of them, I would say. Well, this is the most important position. Just to keep a guy alive. I know. But, but, you know.

but, you know, you want this guy to have the best on the team. Right. Do you want the quarterback? No, I want the best mind or the best heart? I want the best arm. No, I want the, I want the best mind my quarterback.

Okay. Yeah. Do you want to just go position by position? Yeah, let's go position by position. But we can't reuse the body part. Correct. All right, so running back. Running back.

Are you going just legs? Feet. Feet. Feet. Good one. But what about why? Hands. You want wide receiver?

Yeah. Okay. How about tight end? Hmm. Tight end, let's go, um, Well, let's just, how about that, let's, let's see what's left over, because let's decide, do you want but for the offensive or defensive line?

Let's go butt for offensive line. Okay. Length for defensive line. Arm length. Arm length. Okay. Linebacker, you want to go heart for linebacker? See, the thing is that...

You've already used mind. Yeah, but the actual functionality of heart versus what you are saying for heart, that's not the actual functionality of heart. So if we're talking like body parts, I think we're reaching on that. How was that different than mind? The brain. I think the brain, like in terms of like decision making

and like things like that. How about balls? No, I'm serious. Because I get what you're saying. I get what you're going to. I think linebacker is balls. Like literal balls? No, but the idea of balls.

No, give me, give me, um, give me like chest for linebacker. I want like a good like, uh, like surface area for striking a ball carrier. Okay. Fine. Just like in terms of like actual body part. All right. Fine. All right.

Now corner. This is tough because we're starting. Okay. Corner eyes. Okay. Ball tracking. Yeah, but you can't say that. You can't say that.

Vision, like that's like that. You can't say that that that counts for those eyes, but balls is not the same thing. Like the, balls are a different function. It's not a, it's not. People's size.

It's still, that's still a brain connectivity issue. Yeah, but I think we're, I think we're talking like above replacement, right? Yeah, but what I'm talking about?

Eyeball size. I think, I think the chat probably understand. So we got safety tight end left. Kicker, you want foot? Yeah, no, because I use feet for running back. Oh, yeah. Not going to be tough for kicker.

We might not be kicking. We're going for two. We're going for two. I hope coach has balls. Coach has balls. That's good. Yeah. All right.

So safety and tight end. How are we? Safety and tight end. What body parts are left? Knees. Knees. That might be tight end. Belly button.

Yeah. I mean, we haven't used calves and thighs. Yeah. Give me thighs. Give me thighs for tight end. Because that's indicated, that's like as goes, that's close to butt. I think we're, I think we're directionally and they are moving the right way. So you'd rather have eyes for the corner than the safety?

Yeah. Okay. Because I think that we were talking like position value and things like that. I think that having a corner with great eyes like and, yeah I think to me I'd rather have that safety what's left safety what's left where we took neck took chest we like

not bad um we can't use heart I do know some I do know a strength a strength that looks like it's very strict with neck size yeah okay yeah very well must I hated Mike Lennon

we can't use heart no because heart that's not like we're you're the The competitiveness doesn't come from your actual heart. We say that, but that's not like, your cardiologist isn't telling you that you need to toughen up. I don't know.

All right, so. I'm trying to think what's left. Abbs? Yeah. Yeah, it might be it. Because we didn't do, we did chest. I've seen a lot of, like, good-looking ab safety.

Who just doesn't have it. Yeah. I think it's just kind of the position value. It just kind of fell to the bottom here. Ears, good listener. Oh, that's not bad. I like that. That's the same.

Shout out Tom Coy. The same thing is. Art. No, because at least it's outside like, all right. Like, you can hear really well. You can pick up the other team's pulse. He came to the quarterback in the huddle. He's got sonar.

Yeah. All right, this is a good on-ramp, though, because what this allows us to do is now we can make these connections to animals. Okay. And down the line, we can create an animal team. I like that, yeah. Tune in for overtime next week. There we go. All right.

Let us know. Comment below. Which body parts do we forget? What do we miss? Yeah. And, yeah, would you go safety? Would you go ears or abs? I think ears is all right.

I think ears is the right. Yeah, I think that's right. Fantastic. All right, good discussion on the PHA Yagle show. That one was short to get everybody talking. How about nose? Yeah, nose for the ball. We didn't use mouth.

Didn't use mouth. Yeah. That's actually. Yeah. Mouth over years? From linebacker in safety. I think that's a good. It's pretty good.

Hmm. Something to think about for sure. All right. Let us know in the comments. You've made it this far. Safety, mouth, ears, abs or nose. Good question. Yeah.

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