Real Kyper & Bourne - Vally's View: November Goaltending Report

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne, and Sam McKee start with a discussion about the size and status of Olympic ice following Pete DeBoer's comments on Monday's show. Then, Steve Valiquette joins the show for his weekly appearance (4:13). He gets into the parallels between the Rangers' and Leafs' seasons, the Stars' November surge, why he's not worried about Sergei Bobrovsky's lull, the Jets in free fall without Connor Hellebuyck, whether Jesper Wallstedt's play is sustainable in Minnesota and why a Jordan Binnington trade could save the Oilers. Later, they react to Brendan Dillon's eventful 1,000th NHL game and Sidney Crosby's two-goal game against the Flyers.The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

Welcome back in. It's the national hour on the Real Kipper and Born show. We're live on Sportsnet. SportsS 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary, and streaming always on Sportsnet Plus. Also available at your convenience on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. This hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to by Bet365, Nick Kipper, Justin Bourne and Sammy McKee

who needs to change our Leaf Edition jersey to one that represents another team you know just tell me I know you love to make fun of me buddy I just I always notice this thing after I hear

the introduction oh you know you wait you wait every time can we tie a string to your finger or something Uncle Billy I had to take a leak and then I I came back in here and forgot. Where is the leak more important than changing a leaf jersey? All right.

It's Tuesday, J.B. Yes. Which means Steve Aliquette will join us, Analyst for the New York Rangers, CEO, ClearSight Analytics. And, hey, Vancouver fans, you know, or Vancouver Canucks? Yeah.

And this a nice, we'd love a new Vancouver We loved to put up a concussion. Love it. Send us one. You riled some people up with the bore yesterday, eh? Yes. I kind of got some traction. It did.

Now, you know, like an idiot, I was just kind of blown away that he said that the rink's going to be about three feet smaller. Yeah. But is that like, I didn't follow up. We didn't follow up. Where? Yeah. So someone followed up today.

Jason Greger responded to our thing about that and said he heard four feet smaller, 196 instead of 200 long. So four feet shorter So the question is then is the neutral zone smaller Are the end zones smaller Or is it just a little smaller everywhere else In equal proportion But if this thing's not ready

They're gonna play three on three in Markham One of those NTR rings They still have those? I am really hoping they get this figured out Like I am starting the closer we get And all this stuff coming out like I am starting to worry a little That it may not happen

It doesn't sound like they're very organized. Shocker. The Olympics having some organizational issues. What a surprising turn that is. Just a pile of money and they're just paying it. I heard, is Keenan an advisor for what they're doing out there? He's got some links for sure there. I had heard that he's being paid as an advisor.

So you're saying it's my, I earned my Keenan's fault. No, I'm saying they spend money on random things and no one says, what about a 200-foot rent? What about a roof? Money's supposed to solve all this. No, no, no. Money leads to... Complications?

You know, I heard the say one time, mo money, mo problems. Yes. That's what I've heard. Leads to... But do you think there's a world where this, like, is in jeopardy, Kip? Um, I don't get that sense yet. Okay. There's no way.

It's just... There's no way. It's too early. It's too early. It's like a school project you've got due or whatever. It's like, oh, we... Okay, guys. Time to ramp it up here.

I can tell you, though, for what I think will be for sure a given, is that the players are going to go there, they're going to get into some of the dress rooms, and they're going to be really disappointed. They're going to be pissed off. Yeah. That's because it can be. Some of that stuff is not going to be.

Not ready the way they want it to be, not finished. Yes. And if that's the worst case scenario, I sit on a chair for a couple of hot. As long as the showers are hot and the beers are cold, boy, they'll be fine. A billion dollars in talent, you want to give them a foldout chair that you, that you, that you used to go watch your kid play soccer. Ah, they'll be fine.

They'll be fine. All right. Sounds okay. Valley, let's welcome you in. Steve Aliquette, analyst for the Rangers on. Don't give him a full out. Analytics CEO. What's going on, my friend?

Not much, boys. Big game against the Dallas stars at home tonight for the Rangers. other than that, just another day in life. Busy getting in the city, though. Holy smokes. Okay, let's kind of stick with the Rangers. That's your game. So what's life now, Adam Fox?

They said week to week. That's, hey, don't steal the Leafs line. Okay, that's their key. You know. Well, he is LTIR, though. So he's at least 10 games or 24 days, I believe it is. Yeah. So, yeah, he's out for long term.

And it's going to be a tough one, boys. They're in a hard spot as it is, coming off a tough loss Saturday against Tampa Bay after winning three in a row, trying to get back into it. I feel like a lot of the season is running parallel to the leaf season. A lot of the same conversations that you guys are having, we're having in New York, a lot of it surrounding the locker room, the types of players you have in the locker room. Do you guys remember when I was on a few years ago and I was giving you an example of the different personalities in a locker room? Yes. It was sheep herder, sheep, corpse, terrorist. Yeah.

The most of scared that you've ever said, actually. Do you need a reminder or do you remember how it goes? Reminder. Yeah, I'll take it. It was a reminder. All right. So the sheep herder is the leader in the room. I don't know if, just from listening to you guys talk,

I don't think do you guys believe there are any sheep herders in your room? Right. And I would say that the same case. cases here in New York as well. The sheep, those are the guys that want to do well. They need to be led the right way. They could fall on either side of the fence. I get the sense that from listening to you guys, there's a lot of those on the Leafs. Same thing here in New York. Now, a corpse is a guy that just wants to get his points. He doesn't care if you win or you lose. And again, from listening to you guys, I get a sense that Neelander's that guy. He just wants to get his cookies. And you can

win with one of those guys, but you can't have three or four of them. And I think in both teams, cases, very similar narrative. Okay, so... Hold on, there's one more. One last one. Okay, go. One last one. Go.

The terrorist. You cannot have a terrorist in your room. He undermines the coach's message. He negates anything that's moving forward in progress. You've got to get that guy out of your room. Now, we, the four of us, wouldn't know who the terrorist is because we're not in the room. But I was in the room for a long time. My role for many years was a backup.

I had a lot of time to think about that. this and I'm telling you it fits you can find the room that works out best when you have the right balance of those four guys in your room okay where's j t miller right now is the captain of the new york rangers oh geez you had to put me on the spot yeah yeah you don't have to do it He's got a little hot on here, Kippur. Okay. What is going on? Is he at risk here for Olympic status?

Or, you know, I don't even know. Was he one of five named or something? I don't know. What's going on with him? Isn't that the dangerous thing when you've got the head coach, Mike Sullivan, in charge of making these calls? Adam Fox was having his best year in two years. J.T. Miller is having his worst year, points-wise, of his career.

And, you know, it doesn't look great. What can I tell you? It doesn't look great. There hasn't been the same level of accountability that you hear him talk about in the post-game presser that you see an overall effort. And that's a nice way of putting it. Yeah. It's that Adam Fox thing.

Do you think it's more the coach or Gavrikov with him? Gavrikov's a nice partner to have, eh? He's been, by the way, boys, this guy must have the best defensive stick in the NHL. Yeah. When I started coming up, I always heard the older guys Kipper talking about Larry Robinson and how his stick in the D zone was like details. And, you know, I think about it a lot as a goalie because the puck carrier can either pass it

or have his pass eliminated with a good stick, whether the player flips it or not. But one thing that Larry Robinson always talked about that I don't see enough of in the modern day game, he would point his stick guys. He would take his blade. So if Borny, you're going to shoot the puck. He'd actually pointed out you, so it would almost stunt you and stop you. It wouldn't ramp up into his own face. He would actually take the toe of his stick and just drive it into where you're trying to release it.

And is that ever a gift? But that's what those guys did back then. The Montreal Canadians are known for never leaving their feet, not sliding, stick on puck, clear reeds and Kendryden, rest in peace. I got to spend a lot of time with him over the last few years. He would always talk about it. When we look at the east, we're seeing maybe a Tampa Bay kind of establishing themselves. I like to see more out of Tampa Bay. But in the West, clearly Colorado's at the cream at the top here.

But Dallas, is Dallas getting enough recognition? Are they close to Colorado? Buddy, they're neighbors. They're neighbors. Like, they've been the best team in the NHL in November. I spent the last two days on them because I just had nine days off in Vermont, skiing. So I got to get right back to work. But you know what?

You know, digging into their video, first of all, they're the best team at moving the puck east to west in the NHL. It's the hardest save for the goalie. It's how most goals are being scored. Dallas leads the league with the best quality of east to west. So the low east to west is better than the high east to west. They have 73 chances that way. scored 19 goals. That's how they've scored most of their goals, east to west. The second best team, you'll like this list. The best east to west moving teams for chances and goals this

year offensively are Dallas, Edmonton, Tampa, Colorado, Vegas. Like, it's all heavy hitter teams. And when you look at their video and go over their game, there isn't one aspect of their game with the exception of a little bit of light play on their penalty kill that has them vulnerable other than that guys they're the best team on the ice in november that's wild the game we got tonight we're talking leifs florida a sergey bobrowski's had a strange year not strange just for him he's been a very good goaltender's whole career not a very good goaltender this year what do you see out of bovrovsky this year well it's it's weird right borne because look before the cups three years ago before the three finals it was the worst contract in the nchel right

and he has flip-flopped every year. And I'm telling you that in our rankings, guys, he is either bottom of the bottom or upper echelon. And he goes year over year. And right now he's having one of these down years again where, but is he the only guy in history that can just turn it on? Because that's what we've seen him do. So I don't get as worried about him.

Because if you talk to anybody in that organization, and I've had many conversations with these guys, nobody works harder, nobody's more prepared, Nobody's more dedicated. He's a sheep herder. He finds a way. So I don't worry about him. You're watching and listening to Steve Alicat,

analyst with the New York Rangers, MSG, and CEO ClearSight Analytics. All right, you know constantly from here on end, we're going to have all these Olympic conversations. I want to stick with the net because I really believe Bennington's there, no matter what happens, whether he's starting or not, that's a different conversation.

But the other night, we saw him get pulled. We saw him going at it with his coach, Montgomery. First of all, your thoughts on that? Is it just enough to just leave it as Valley? Oh, he's a fiery guy. He just loves playing and everybody lives happily ever after, or is there more to it? It's just him being him.

Look, he pisses everybody off, always has. I remember talking to Devin Dubnick after he was leaving the ice once chirping Doobnick. He's like, Valley, I could kill this kid. Like, does he just know if I get a hold of him? And of course, we're laughing about it. But I think that he knows that he has to get himself pissed off, angry. He plays better that way. His four previous starts before last night where he was a few match with his coach going off the ice, it was pretty nasty.

But I did tune in to the postgame presser for Montgomery. And he was like, oh, no, we were just telling each other. other that we love each other and then afterwards we talked about it we made up and he didn't make a big deal of it then moni's he's a cool cat i don't know if you guys know him like funny story so when he took over coaching at boston it was about three weeks after he was named coach and i met with him in boston we were walking down one of the main drags there going for lunch and i said to i'm like moni is this all right like we're kind of walking down the main street here you're going to get recognized like this is going to be awkward he goes now no no don't worry about a valley

It's only been a couple of weeks. Out of nowhere, this guy jumps out of a bush. He's like, you're Steve Valcette. You're Steve Valcette. I'm a huge Ranger fan. And he gives his iPhone to Monty, and Monty takes a picture of me and him. That's awesome. He must have been dying.

He's a good dude. And I know the way he is. I know that he's got a good handle on how to coach and manage a guy like Jordan Bennington. But there's a lot of noise on Benner, too. And I think he wants to play well because he's got the Olympic team. And I know there's interest out there, too. So we know how often we've talked about Edmonton. Yeah.

The guys we've been talking about here are maybe more fringe guys than that with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Hildaby has been playing a couple of games this year and has looked pretty good when he's gone in. What are your thoughts on what he is as a goalie? Is he someone that can hold the fort for a while in Stollars his absence? So I was looking today, Borny, he has an 85% positive start rate, which means 85% of the time he's going to give you a chance to win. That's all you need in a goalie. In fact, it's the same number that Wall is right now.

He's 85.something percent. So if you have a chance to win, I heard that over and over and over again in my career from the goalie coach. Just give the team a chance to win. Just give a team a chance to win. And you know what? At the end of the night, you're always pretty pleased with yourself, as long as you're not letting the guys down and how that goes. look, I saw Dobish go through what he went through a few weeks ago

and get really emotional after that New Jersey game. And it hasn't gone well for him since. He's been pulled a couple times. He looks small and skinny in the net. He's low and he's got his hands inside. He's dropping early. And it comes from a place where he just wants to give the team a chance to win. I know it comes from a good spot.

But boy, oh boy, if you get too preoccupied with, worrying about what other people think about you and that's a big thing for goalies guys we're sensitive you know we hey Kipper we know the boys are talking about us in the back of the bus like you know but we want to just give the team a chance to win you don't know you don't want to walk in the room and feel like you got 20 guys giving you the hairy eyeball I want to talk to you about Logan Thompson in Washington because he gives the the caps a chance to win on most nights here you were one of the first to talk about, you know, the issues that probably had off the ice that kept them

out of the Olympics, uh, or four nations, the last go around here. Hey, did you guys ask DeBura? I didn't get all of the interview yesterday. No, we didn't really, uh, come on. Yeah, we didn't, we didn't touch on, uh, Logan per se. Why do you hate him? Why do he hate him, Pete? But, um, there, there seems to be a belief now that there's been enough time for him to mature a little

bit here. I've got him as a lock on this hockey club, but where are you now on Logan Thompson and maybe some growth between then and now? As you guys know, we all mature at different times, right? And if you look at Logan's history, this guy went through like Brock University and East Coast League, like this guy's been everywhere. He has eaten more crap sandwiches than any goal in the NHL and came out clean on the other side. He's like Andy Dufrain. from shot down. Came out clean. Yeah, I mean, and I've heard just the most amazing, positive feedback about this guy.

He is, he's the gold standard right now in the NHL. If the NHL ended today, he's the Vesna Trophy winner. That's how strong he's been. I watched the game against the Leafs that are night. Man, the guy makes great saves when he's counted on. For the last three years, he's had the best glove hand in the NHL. You know what I really noticed about him? You want to talk about the difference between Hilda Bee a little bit and him.

He'll be when he gave up the first goal in his last start over his glove. And you guys can see me on camera. It just looked like this, right? Pretty routine. Went right through that spot. What about a glove save on Tavares from Logan Thompson and on that breakaway in that game? Dude, his other hand, obviously. But he's like this.

His hand in his head, he has the best relationship between his glove hand and his nose in the NHL. And that's why he's got such a good weapon of a glove there. And that's what I'm always looking for, too, because I'm always trying to, like the one piece that's really tough to figure, guys, is how well a goalie maintains their eye contact on the puck during a save. Because of the cage and the shadows and the cameras, you can't always tell if they're flinching a little bit, but you'll see some goalies, give her this one,

where the face is like just in line right down the middle, and they're just kind of going for it and trust. their perimeter and sometimes they, you know, scroach down a little bit. And it just looks like, you know, they're giving that way and they don't have that same level of confidence that he does. So how do you, I guess,

qualify or try to figure out what is team play and what does goaltender play for some of these guys? Like Scott Wedgwood is another team Canada hopeful, but he's playing behind Colorado who's just setting the world on fire. How much credit do we give a guy like that? Logan Thompson's behind a very good Capitals team at five on five anyway. But I think Colorado is an entirely different beast. Yeah, Wedgwood has the easiest environment in the NHL by a long shot.

Okay. All right. Now, remember, if we take all those easy ones from the neutral zone and just eliminate those or the ones where the guys are shooting it on net to start a forecheck, or if the puck just rolls off their stick, take all those, get rid of all that noise. his true safe percentage is 912 on a 904. The 904 is your environment. That's a really good one.

You don't see a 904, guys. Winnipeg touched it over the last couple of years, but you typically don't see it. And he's playing at a 904. I don't think that there will be another goal in the NHL that will be over nine, like 90 safe percentage environment difficulty. So to say that he's playing in a different world,

he is. but I've been talking about this guy for years known a lot of goalie coaches that have coached him they all say that he's got this belief that it's almost dangerous his belief he believes in himself almost too much but that could be a gift and a curse for some guys but it certainly carried his career

and he does believe that he's a true number one and he's believed that since go back like eight years ago he he's just one of those guys that's been able to grind and keep himself technically though East to West guys I don't know if that's the exact formula for the tournament

because it's going to be tight but east to west he's got one of the worst safe percentages in the league he goes toes up a lot and when you go toes up like the old school what you do is you really just

anchor yourself into the ice you can't still advance towards the shooter you just cut your speed so you know east to west I know that we had them in here I think it was a week or a week and a half ago and I went over all of his numbers

and he was near the bottom as in like second or third worst and safe percentage in east to west in the league. Valley, we got a lot of teams struggling right now for 500 hockey, and one of them we weren't expecting is the Winnipeg Jets. Is it just this simple that no Connor Hellebuck,

no success here in Winnipeg? See, this is why I prepare for your show because I don't know where you guys are going, but I got to be. all over the map. All right. Dying to hear this way. Yeah, you know, I've loved

Comrie for a long time. Great kid, great goalie. Again, a guy that's always come back after eating a crap sandwich, send me to the minors. It's his third trip to Winnipeg. So now he's filling in. But this is the worst possible time for him to fill in. Winnipeg isn't even close to as

good defensively as they were last year. Check this out. Last year, dots down in their D zone. Number three, best team, dots down in their D-Zone. This year, 27th. How do you go from third to 27th? Now, there's been, Larry's been out a bit. They lost Maple Appleton, Mason Appleton, great, like, stud checking player. That line last year was the best checking line in the league with Niederire as well. Those guys were just dynamite. And some of the guys, like, Taze is getting filled in when he's

on the ice right now. And they have a different look on their team, but to go from third to 27th, Without losing that much personnel, it's shocking. Another one is in their D zone, the east to west pass in your D zone is the most dangerous for the goalie. And last year they were fourth best, so that would grade them out as an A. And this year, they're 18th. All right. So, again, bad sticks.

Now you don't trust your defensemen. You're hanging back a little bit. But Comrie, he got pulled last night. I thought that in his start, he looked like he didn't want the puck. and this is the thing I want the puck it's a mindset I you know what guys I figured this out

in practice we were doing stuff around the net and the more that I screamed it in my own head I want the puck you would just have that identity to just go get it and it reminds me of Dobish the night that he allowed that tying goal against the New Jersey Devils like he was

passive he was back in his butterfly he actually pushed the puck back out into play and it has a look and Comrie didn't have that look when he got pulled, and that's why he got pulled. And the same thing for dope. Anybody that's going a little soft in their game, it's usually because their head isn't right.

Yeah. I just got a quick question here. A couple of times you referenced east to west. Is it the puck going east to west, regardless if it's one pass or four passes? So the way that we would categorize that Kipper as a company is if it goes from one side of the ice to the other below the hash mark, that would be a low east to west.

very difficult to stop if it goes across twice it's like an east to west double we call it a slot line double but we tag it that way and if it's above the hash marks it's an east to west above the hash but the most dangerous one is the downhill seam below the hash marks east to west that's interesting the um you know i'm thinking about the the jets and the uphill climb they have now bad start but tough division one of the reasons like the minnesota wild red hot they got that kid Walstead, right? Just for Walshstead. He made some comments

about you guys thought I was a bus last year or something like that, but do you believe in him? Is this kid the real deal? He throws him. We froze there. We said we made some comments about what? Oh, sorry. No, there's some comments. He made a comment or two about you guys thought

I was a bus last year. I think he was joking to the local Minnesota media. So he's pretty feeling pretty good about where he's at right now and wanted to get your take on Wallstead, where he's clearly the real deal in his own mind. Yeah, you know what? I spoke to once last year and he was in a spot where he just didn't want to go another day

or another week in the minors playing in Iowa. He was just ready to be in the NHL. He was already signed to a extension that was going to become a one-way contract for this year. So those are tough sometimes. You know, you're in the minors and you know that theoretically, you're going to be up the next year. So it's really hard to be where your feet are.

And that's always the case, isn't it for any athlete? If you think you're getting traded or if you think you're retiring, you might as well just follow through with it because you're done. And he had a hard time getting over that. I spoke to his goalie coach, Freddie Chabot. This guy had a great career. He's a great coach. He's done a terrific job with Gustafson.

And he said that he got himself into the best shape he's ever been in his life. He was in Minnesota most of the summer. He was there early, he was ready to go, and he's just been a pleasure because, you know what, he's got a chip on his shoulder. And I think that's why, guys, we see goalies go on runs. It's because they have a chip on their shoulder. They're motivated, and unfortunately, it doesn't last. And that's why we see so many ups and downs with goalies.

It's almost like you've got to always be giving them a stick or giving them a carrot, keeping them engaged. Otherwise, you'll lose them. But you know what, Borny? Not for anything, but both, he and. and Gustafson should probably be both goalies to represent Sweden. Yeah, no kidding. I got to ask you, Vali, I got to ask you about the Edmonton Oilers.

And it's easy to just point to the goaltending and Skinner and go get another goalie. But are there issues so deep defensively that it wouldn't matter if they did get Binnington or anyone else? I mean, you've got to fix this first before you think about changing a goalie. yes and i think that sometimes kipper and i've been in this situation before where you actually you know come into a team they do have a good group of guys good structure uh they just need a few saves and then they kind of light up too because you know what now we got a guy now we got a guy all right let's go let's play our game now come on everybody and then there's the accountability thing and i went like i can go through the technical reasons why because that's what we can see

but let's talk about the mental aspect here, guys. You know that there were stories last year where Skinner was receiving, you know, I don't want to say death threats, but I know there were stories out there that he was just getting so much heat and I think it was coming like through his family and things like that.

And I've heard you Kipper talk about Marner receiving these types of things. And guys, you know that messes with you. And I told you a few weeks ago when I was with Luongo, he couldn't believe in the summer when we were in the car that he got a call from Vancouver

saying that they wanted him just to come back again. He was like, how can they expect me to go back? Like, that's the way we think. And I get that. But here's the thing. They're giving up so many breakaways right now, Edmonton, and their goalies are allowing so many goals on breakways, so many goals on rebounds. So just put the two of them Pickard and Skinner together. Okay. So if I was to take the exercise where I put Bennington, knowing that Bennington's a good breakaway goalie, knowing that history-wise speaks to him being a very good rebound goalie and we plop him in that net he would have saved the edmonton oilers this year 16 more goals and i think that as you know a change of scenery for bittington too would be something

that he would be i i get the sense i don't know for sure but i get the sense he'd probably welcome especially if it was going to go to edmonton but yeah emmington this year 33 breakaway chances faced as a team 14 goals when in the net even if you put a league average goalie in they would have made six more breakaway saves. All right? So the math, maths. And that goes for Elvis Mersleakin and UC Soros. I don't know which one of these three guys they're going to get, but I think it's going

to be one of those three. All right. Last one for me, Valie. Just wanted to get your thoughts on Devin Cooley getting another start tonight ahead of Dustin Wolf. Isn't that the way it always goes, guys? It goes like this. If you guys are ever running a team, don't go there.

All right? And this is what I'm talking about. You don't push the starter that's not ready to be the starter quite yet. Abuse the crap out of his starts. And then when he starts to be a little leaky, go to the guy that you should have already gone to earlier. Devin Cooley, man. I remember talking to you guys about this guy around this time last year. I heard all kinds of stories of the minors.

Like, this guy's ready. He's a stud. He had a really bad concussion in January last year. And he didn't finish his season. He was actually a healthy scratch in the playoffs in the American League. But he's a stud. like I remember talking you guys about this because I've talked to people out there about this

and they said he moves as well as Dustin Wolf laterally and he's twice his size like the guy can play. I actually don't know why Calgary didn't play him sooner and they should have because now you lose Wolf to a certain degree. I've seen this over and over and over again in my career whether I was a part of it or I've seen other teams do it

run a guy too long that you shouldn't run and then you lose them. Okay one more and then I don't know we got what was that no no no we got we got five more minutes hey listen he might be trying to

short up my segment no no no I don't want to he said that sometimes you have like a 530 meeting I didn't want to put you out again no no we're good oh no worry about okay

okay every time we talk about a coach's you know on the hot seat it is it could create an hour show here but you know when we hear about like coaches

goalie coaches getting fights or let go. It makes zero to no noise. Should we be putting more stock into this? Are these goalie coaches becoming really important to a very important position? Look, I know I've talked to a few people in the business about this.

The goalie coaches don't love this, okay? Because it happened two years ago. If you guys remember, Zach Burke, he was demoted down to Belleville. Justin Peters came up in Ottawa. I think the move was about mid-January. But this is only six games into the season, right? Or maybe, yeah, I think it was about that.

It was October 22nd. But the run that Sorokin has gone on since that time, guys, he's the best performing goalie in the NHL. And had it gone sideways or regressed a little bit, not a story, but he took off. And, yeah, you know, Pierro Greco, he was removed, and they brought in Sergei Nomov. And I think that it's got people nervous because now head coaches aren't the only ones

that can possibly be picked off during a season, goalie coaches. And why not the power play coach or the penalty kill coach? I think it opens up a world of possibilities for teams. Well, that's, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, it's a great point. It's a great point. It's a very fascinating.

Like, we'll see, guys. I think more teams are going to do it. I know that a couple of guys I talked to are worried that it could be them or could be a buddy of theirs. Like, it's out there. All right. Stakes and the grills segment. Let's go. All right.

So, Borne, you're falling back, all right? I know. 18 points, McKee 15 points, born 11. Oh, all right. 1815. 11? First question. Okay.

First question. Which goaltender has the best save percentage on shots over the, over the glove this season. All right. So it's not Logan Thompson. I didn't give it away earlier. It is either Carl Vamelka, Esper Walshstad, Anton Foresburg.

Best save percentage, high shots over the glove. I'm going Foresburg. All right. I'll take Walsheds and we're talking about him. Vermelka catches right. Yeah, the righties have been good traditionally. I don't want to lead you the wrong way. Yeah.

He catches with the wrong hand. Vermelka. Okay. Amalca. All right. It's Walsstad. All stand this year. One point.

27 shots, high glove, only given up two goals. He's got a 920 safe percentage on gloves, which is tremendous because the league's safe percentage, guys, is 81%. All right. Number two, with a minimum of 15 breakaways face, which goaltender has the best breakaway safe percentage this year? Is it Scott Wedgwood, Spencer Knight, or Logan Thompson? Give me night in Chicago.

Yeah, that's my answer, too. I'm going night, too. Yeah, I got to go night in Chicago. They're the worst of the three. It's a great, great, great way to look at it. But it is your starting goalie in Canada's net, Logan Thompson. Yeah, all right, well, at least we all feel together. Is it because every guy comes in and they're like, oh, crap, he catches with a different hand.

They shoot it right to his glove? It's a thing. Yeah, totally does. As a shooter, I can tell you, that was a, three years. threw me off every time. Vegas. I'm over two. All right.

Question number three. Which goaltender has moved the best side to side this year? 15 minimum chances faced. Is it Vasilefsky, Swamen, or Devin Cooley? Swamen. Yep. I'll take Vasilefsky. All right.

My segment, it's Cooley. Yeah, hold on. I was saying cooling. He did say cool. He did say cool. I didn't hear you say coolly. I was saying, no, you said it's cool in here. It's the guys I asked them about my interview.

No, you were talking about the temperature in the studio. All right. I'm going to roll back the tape and I'll make it game time to speak on me. We got to go upstairs. Hey. I said as a guy I asked about it. We got to let you go. You got a big one tonight, Dallas and the Rangers Valley.

Always awesome stuff on a Tuesday night. Thanks, I appreciate you. Have a great one. See you fellas. That is Steve Aliquette. Works for MSG covering the Rangers. And of course, the chief officer, a clear site analytics. Should we just call him like our real Kippert, like, should his new title?

Should we give him a title? We've never done it. Like the real Kippoor and goalie experts? No, that's. We call him our director of goaltending. Yes. Yes. You know.

Director of something. I find it hard. Yeah. Okay. You don't like that? No, I am trying not to be. mean to other people. Okay.

Oh, who carry like director of scouting or director of, yes. It's ridiculous. Oh, that's Craig Button. Right, director of scouting. If TSN ever plays in the NHL, they don't need to hire a director of scouting. It's game time.

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Looking at Leif's Panthers tonight. Leifes are big underdogs tonight. For two teams that are tied in the standings, you'd think they weren't with this line. Leaves are plus 140 on the money line. Florida minus 165. Not sure which way I'm leaning on the actual teams, but I will tell you that Papa,

Papa of the Lease, Radmarshang, will definitely score tonight. Yeah, he will. And that is a nice number for you at plus $250. So he owns the lease. He loves to play the Leafs. He plays hard against the Leafs. He's been excellent this year.

It's hard to picture him not scoring a goal tonight. So give me a Bradmarshand goal. And elsewhere, Minnesota in Edmonton, Edmonton starting a road trip. Oh, sorry, a homestand here. Spack had an article on the website talking about how it's a big chance to them to kind of turn their season around. Yeah.

Starts with the wild, wilder plus one. 125 on the money line. Oilers, big faves, minus 150. And, yeah, that's pretty much it for tonight. Vancouver in Colorado. Good luck. Colorado minus 350 favorites in that game. Anyways, oh, my.

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one thousandth NHL game ever played. played that I certainly can remember. No kidding. Brendan Dillon did that last night. We'll explain when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. Hey, it's Aylish Forafar. And I'm Justin Cuthbert. Join us as we discuss the most important sports stories of the day and tee up the biggest games of the night.

It's the fan pregame. 6 p.m. weekdays on Sportsnet, Sportsnet, the fan, and wherever you get your podcast. A reminder of this hour of Real Kippin-Borne brought to you by Bet365. Nick Kiprius, Justin Boren, our Sammy McKee. Sorry to jump in here. I got a couple of messages about our rink conversation, and apparently 60 meters is the standard rink length in Europe,

like international hockey or whatever, because they use a different form of measurement. That's how this happens. To build it to our dimensions, it would have to be 60 meters, 960 millimeters. Like it's an unprecise number. They just use around flat 60 meters. And so it is different there. So yes, it's going to be feet shorter.

But you have all these different, you know, it's imperial in the U.S. And metric here. And we don't even do metric, even though we are metric. Anyway, so that's how it ended up shorter. So they don't really care outside of this tournament. They want it for Europe moving forward. it's going to be used for and they weren't like, yeah, let's... Yeah.

I'm sure it'll be used. You're really well after it's over. Like, I'm sure there's, there's wild dogs running through the one in Sochi. I could probably play in the Italian division at this point. You probably could. Yeah. Okay. Last night, we saw Brendan Dillon playing his 1,000th game, which is always a great feat and very emotional, too.

Did you catch him before? Yeah, we have it. Do you want to play it? Yeah, sure, because, absolutely, yeah, for sure. Like, this was a very emotional night for Brendan Dillon of the New Jersey Devils. Let's have a listen. All I know is there's no more honorable player in this league than Brendan Dillard. That's, I was looking for Jake.

Jake, do you have it? Oh, okay, never mind. We didn't have it. I thought there was miscommunication with Jake. I thought he had the video of him talking for the game, but he has the video of the injury. So there was a miscommunication, but I will say that he was just really crying a lot. Yeah, Dylan was asked how it felt, you know, play a thousand games. And he teared up saying, I just wanted to get one.

Okay. You know, I just wanted to play one game in the league. So, tears. During the game, there was an altercation in front of the New Jersey net, where Dylan came in, very aggressive. I think it was fantilly. He was out to kind of push out of the crease, including probably a very forceful kind of cross check. We have the, I think we have the visit of the actual injury here.

Yeah, we do. Okay. so um veronkov who plays for columbus greasy crazy van till grabbed him from behind and kind of lassoed him Dylan ends up throwing a little bit of a left shot but veronkov obviously

grabbed him never let go and hit him with two uppercuts and like knocked him probably out for a split second like he he was he could barely get off the ice it was it was tough to watch a little bit you know brought me kind of back memories of get knocked out to my last game but that isn't necessarily the strange part the strange part was he came back to the game and actually played a few shifts how does that happen in 2025 and do we know that you played a few shifts

because i had yeah i think we yeah i think he did play and they chanted his name yeah Dylan, Dylan, the fans saw him out in the ice And started chanting his name And then I believe Sheldon Keith the head coach Pulled him off the ice And sat him the rest of the game Okay

Basically said this is not great Do we have Sheldon We have him talking about the actual situation Of him getting punched And how he didn't love it You want to play it? Yeah, let's have a listen to Sheldon Keith All I know is there's no more honorable player in this league than Brendan Dillon

and plays as hard and honest game as anybody in the league. He would never do something like that to another player, that I know, for certain. Yeah, I don't like it at all. I mean, I don't think Daly knows he's in a fight. I think he's tackled from behind and before he knows that his helmet's off, his jerseys over his head, and we saw what happened from there. So I don't like it at all. No real surprise there.

A head coach defending his player. Yeah, and I think that's the greater. Did you thought it was bad? Yeah, I just thought the outcome was really bad. If Vrancove wants to fight him, there's probably better ways for that to square off and happen. But yeah, he's probably got to be aware that the gloves might come off when you're either way.

I think the greater point is more in line with Keith, which is this guy has played a certain way and made a career out of it, which is incredible. It sucks that that's how that game went for him. You know, obviously, I'd say obviously, but probably concussed. I just, I think it's just absolutely ridiculous in today's world and everything we've known about headshots and concussions that we can watch a guy leave the ice like that and we put them back on the ice.

It's like how does that happen in 2000? 25. If you ever need help off the ice because you're wobbly, that's it for the night. You know, that's, I'm 100% with you. So this was either, and listen, this is going to get investigated. There's no question right now, if you're the NHL office right now, you're going back to New Jersey and saying, okay, explain this to me. He came off the ice. I'm looking at the NHL shift chart on their website, which is a fancy little tool, which is pretty cool. And obviously it happened.

in the uh you know around the he missed some time but he had four shifts after he had four shifts how how can you watch him leave the ice four shifts with what we can easily describe it as brain trauma and you put him back on the ice yeah i'm sure they're going to say hey look he you know who cleared him passed whatever test he told us he wanted to go back he wanted to, I'm sure that it'll be that the player wanted this and the point will be it doesn't matter. We're past that. We understand that the player, of course, has a say in it, but it's not the most important say. There's medical doctors that are supposed to be in your best interest to not put you in a vulnerable position to go out there and get hurt even more.

Yeah. But I, like, I'm sitting there going that, that embarrassed our game. Yeah, it's too bad for Dylan. He probably, he deserved better in the whole thing. Sid, speaking of Atlantic, oh, sorry, Metro Division stuff. Sid last night against the Flyers. 58 and 59th career goals against the Flyers. Yeah. I think he's got 137 points in 92 games against the Pittsburgh Penguins.

I love that Sid is playing the way he's playing in an Olympic year and we don't have to go, oh, he's there because of his name. Third in the league in goals, 18. That's ownership of a friend. He must be the least favorite person in the history of Philadelphia hockey. It's amazing you can watch the league. Pittsburgh Saturday night got shelled, obviously. Some bad goaltending and they got some good goaltending one game later.

But like who are they? Are they Saturday night versus the Leafs or are they the last night versus Philly? They're no good. They're no good. They didn't want to be good. All they're doing is just like delaying the inevitable. Yeah, I think they're humoring, you know, this whole, these guys want to win, compete, whatever,

but we're not going to give them anything. If they scrap and claw into playoffs, more power to them. Wanted to note that two guys tonight have their 1,200th game, David Perron and Jamie Ben. Wow. A lot of hockey. Just on the topic of guys owning certain teams, I went to just look at a couple of them,

but my favorite one that sticks out, Gratz against the Canucks. Is it? In 117 career games, he had 239 points. Is that good? 76 goals, 163 assists. Yeah. In 117 games.

What are you supposed to do? Spanche and team in the division. I mean, 230 and 117 against the flames isn't bad either. But that's, I love that stuff. We're just reading on ESPN.com, the NHL, talking about mandatory. helmets in warm-up because the Ottawa senators ruined it for everybody. And the Sharkees were doing it too.

They went full team, no buckets for warm-up against Vegas. And then Shane Pinto went on TV and said it was a pretty cool thing to do. Yeah. It's like, don't draw any attention to it. Right. What are you doing? Well, and then the devils, I think for Dylan's 1,000th game,

they all wore hats for warm up instead of or something. And Bill Daley, I think, I think the NHL likes it. I honestly do. I think they want the players to be seen, their faces. It's an insurance issue. It's a safety issue. I think they have to go out there and go, we don't condone this. Quit being idiots about it.

Like, we want you to do it. I mean, it is not to be Mr. Dork here, but it's incredibly dangerous to go no bucket and warm up. There's pucks flying everywhere. There's guys taking unpredictable routes. Like, it is. Fun fact, most team average two to three injuries in warmups per year from guys. with no help. Listen, I just, I lived it in the 90s.

There is no, like, better time to look cooler. Oh, yeah. That didn't warm up. Yeah. You got the di-doe-do flowing through there. I'm sure that the hair job. Watching Anaheim the other night, Goudas fell and hit his head on the boards and warm up.

Coulorne took a puck to the head and needed stitches. It's your guys still fucking, like, it happens, you know. This Cater Hall get his face stepped on, isn't that? Well, guys are just hammering pucks and no one's looking like, it's dangerous. Just stretch it in the dressing room. Just do a couple of jumping jacks in the dressing room. I love it. I think it looks great.

It's cool. It feels great. God, you can't even look cool anymore. I know. Without somebody telling you not, you can't do it anymore. Horrible. Celebrini continues to light it up. Do you see Will Smith with a couple of toe drags?

Yeah. Did you see that stat I put in there? That he, uh, or here is, where is? it. Only Wayne Gradsky, Sidney Crosby, and Maryland, you have scored 40 points and 27 games or less as a teenager. That's wild, man. The leaderboard and points is legit

McKinnon, Celebrini, Bedard Carlson. They're all still going. Awesome. With McDavid and Fifth. Awesome. All tied for fourth. Ten games on tap tonight. Pick your favorite one and we're back here tomorrow. Do it all over again.

All right. Our thanks to George Richards, who covers the Florida Panthers and of course on most Tuesdays our very own Steve Valicat Valley I need those points man I think I went over

on my grill steak dinner I heard I heard talk from upstairs that you definitely did not say David Cooley but I saw you I didn't say Cooley but I was starting to I was saying it's the guys I asked about and Valley cut me off Have a great night everybody

Thank you.