The Charlie Kirk Show - Charlie and Capitalism + Canada's Illegal Immigrant Pipeline

Episode Date: August 3, 2026

How did Charlie feel about capitalism, and even if we support free markets, should we call ourselves "capitalists" or something more? Andrew, Blake, and Jack Posobiec talk about Charlie's economic views after a Thoughtcrime clip went viral over the weekend. Two Frontlines reporters expose a new Canadian pipeline bringing Indian immigrants illegally into America. Andy Biggs unveils his running mate Sine Kerr and talks about the latest Katie Hobbs disaster hurting Arizona. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Arizona state 48 has brought in Sena Kerr the next lieutenant governor the first lieutenant governor Andy Biggs why don't you introduce your guest yeah thanks Andrew it's good to see you good to be with you and Blake in this very special studio I've brought with me Sina Kerr, former state senator, former Trump Department of Agriculture leader. I will tell you, she is a tremendous, tremendous pick. She's an expert in water law. She knows the rural areas of the state. She knows the agricultural industry.

She is beloved all over the state. And she's a dairy farmer, married to Bill. They've been married for 46 years and they've been dairy farming that long. So it's an honor to have her serve with me or run with me. So there's a backstory here. This is the first time that we've had a lieutenant governor. What changed and what is the goal in Arizona? So a constitutional amendment came in by the voters three years ago or so.

And they said we don't want to just have. a Secretary of State anymore. We want to have a Lieutenant Governor, too. And the Lieutenant Governor will run with me like a Vice President, runs with a President. And that's where SENA comes in. And then she will probably have a responsibility over a department or an agency that's contemplated. And quite frankly, the constitutional amendment is so broad that we get to kind of determine it. and I'm looking forward to that because I think Cines got some good ideas and I've got some ideas on how we make that run for the state. So that's like an option for you. You could simultaneously appoint her to, I guess I don't know what the cabinet agencies are at the state level.

But that would make sense. Yeah, like head of department of administration or ag or, you know, just whatever. Yeah. So Cina, welcome to the studio. I'm sorry that I can't be in there with you, but tell us about yourself and you're a, own words. We're excited to have you introduce yourself to our audience. Thank you so much, Andrew. So I was here for the grand opening. And so it's amazing to see how the campus has grown. And of course, being in here in the studio is really emotional for me. It's just really

special to be here with you. So yeah, grew up in Buckeye. My dad moved us there in 1964 when he retired from the Army. I have been there ever since. Absolutely love it. True small town girl. I think there were only four or five thousand people in Buckeye at the time and I believe we're well over 100,000 today. And so grew up and it was largely agriculture and that's where I fell in love with with ag. My family was not in farming. And then my mother, when my mom and dad got married, you know, she immigrated from Mexico and became a naturalized citizen. She was incredibly proud to be a U.S. citizen. And so, you know, they taught me to love our country, to step up for her, you put your life on the line for her,

and to appreciate the opportunities that we have here in America. And so anyway, you know, went through grade school, high school. I met my future husband Bill and we were in student government together and, you know, I didn't know at the time he was a third generation dairy farmer. So that was that was the bonus. That sealed the deal. And so we got married right out of high school. I was 18. He was 19. We started our dairy business and, you know, grew it from there. Then grew our family. We have one son and three daughters. And they have blessed us with 12 grandchildren. And during that time, you know, You know, I was involved with ag industry leadership, being involved in United Derrymen of Arizona, Farm Bureau. And that's where I learned to really study and know the policy that affects us every single day on our farms and became passionate about that.

Passionate about electing leaders that really understood what we needed to keep us in business, keep food on our table, keep, you know, our freedom to farm. and food security across the nation. Tyler was really gushing about you, just he was very excited about this pick, and he was pointing out, you have a lot of expertise with managing water resources

as any agriculturalist does in Arizona, and that matters a lot because there was news over the weekend. If you're in Arizona, you're kind of, it's maybe entered your head a few times. This is not a place that naturally has a lot of water, yet we usually are able to obtain it when we desire it, but we can't take that for granted.

And there was big news this weekend, where we are like losing some water to the state, and that's related to mismanagement from our current governor, correct? Yeah, in my opinion, she waited too long to engage. We've known this was coming. This is actually an extension past the timeframe of the drought contingency plan. She should have been engaged, and she should have been putting pressure on and working with the administration. She's incapable of working with the administration, just so Blake and Andrew, just so you've

know. But yeah, so the Bureau of Reclamation has given us a new plan. I don't think it's time to panic. I'm not a panic guy. I'm an optimist guy about trying to work this thing out some more. But with the current governor, she's not really taking the steps, in my opinion, to actually resolve what you do now between now and October, because Bureau of Reclamation would like to put this into play October 1st. Now, that's going to, that would require us to make a reduction off the river itself, but most of that's going to go to the Central Arizona project. So without getting into the details too much, there are things that can be done now

where I'm working at the federal level trying to do it. She needs, we need this governor to step in, and I don't think she's capable of doing it. This is what I mean when I say she is dangerously incompetent because this will impact the state. But we can fix it as much as we can. but I think both Sine and I have some plans to put in place with infrastructure, et cetera, and policy when we are governing the state. Yeah, I mean, that's the, my, you know, my mother works in this field, and she says that, you know, the Colorado River is a huge, huge issue.

What is behind this and what are the real world stakes for Arizona's farmers, for the business community, for home building, population growth? if we ultimately get our water share from the Colorado River cut this dramatically. Yes, so I'll comment on that, Andrew. So, you know, we have to look at our past because it clearly dictates, excuse me, where we are today. So Arizona has been a leader in water management, not only across the nation, but around the world. We have water leaders come to see how in the world are we so productive and effective in our water management, in the products we produce, you know, in the ag industry. And so in our early days, even before statehood, it was our farmers and our ranchers that had the wisdom and the foresight to map out how we can best utilize our water resources.

And so they did a very fantastic job laying that foundation. So we've continued on that. We have saved millions of acre feet of water. And just it's incredible, the geographic makeup, the geology of Arizona, that we have these incredible basins that can store a lot of water. So we have to look at that and know that we need to manage those resources effectively. I want to talk to you about an issue so many Americans face. And that's health insurance. There's an organization I really.

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perhaps still doing it with USDA, which we love Brooke. We love what they're doing there for farmers. Explain why that's so important to a state like Arizona. A lot of people think it's just a wasteland desert. That's not true at all. Explain why that's so critically important, not only to Arizona, but you mentioned food security, water security for the entire nation. Exactly. So I did resigned from my position, loved it, absolutely, was deeply honored to have been appointed by the president, working under Secretary Rollins, talk about just a next level administration who cares deeply. When they say, when the president says he wants to put farmers and ranchers first, he's not kidding. And then to have Secretary Rollins deploy that message in very tangible

ways. She listens as we've had, she's attended roundtables with farmers and ranchers across the nation. The one she held here, and she's held a couple now here in Arizona, to see her just so intently listening, taking notes. She wants their numbers. She's affecting change every single time she's meeting. Then in my former position, I got to deal with her cabinet members, everyone who's serving with her, and her administrator, the undersecretary, so much of the staff, they're real farmers. And that makes all the difference in the world. When I took the position, I was worried. I thought, wow, am I going to be dealing with D.C. bureaucrats who don't have any idea of which end of the cow to milk,

and I'm going to have to be, you know, working with them. And I was anticipating some frustration. None of that. They have the real solid farmers and ranchers in there. Such a pleasure to work with. And it meant so much for our state as I promoted and implemented the administration and the secretary's policies and priorities for farm service agency. It was just a real blessing to go out across the state, tell our farmers and ranchers, listen, the administration is really listening. They care deeply about what you need, what's working for you.

what's not working. The secretary, very engaged, very hands-on. It was an incredible blessing to serve the administration in that way and then to serve our farmers and ranchers. Congressman, future governor, Andy Biggs, so this is actually the first time we've had you on since your massive landslide victory in the primary. Talk about the state of the race. This is a huge, I think, boon for you in this campaign, having seen it, join the, the, the, the ticket, as it were, where are we at right now? How's it looking? What are our action items?

Give us some things to do that we can help. Make sure you get into office in November. Hey, thanks, Andrew. And, you know, that was a big primary win. And here we go. We're almost dead even in the polls. We're within the margin of error of a sitting incumbent who spent more than $10 million on this campaign so far, Andrew.

and they've laid down another $10, $15 million through the end of the cycle, and we anticipate they're going to spend more. So, but they can't seem to pull away. We think she's reached the ceiling because she is hopelessly incompetent. And so for us, you know, the big thing for us is we had a big rally on Friday and in the West Valley of the Phoenix metro area. It was fabulous. Hundreds and hundreds of people attended, and we are all over the state.

campaigning and working with folks. For us, it's a voter turnout. You guys know this. It's a voter turnout election because it'll be down. You don't have a president. You don't even have a U.S. senator on here. This is the race that's going to drive the turnout. So we need to keep

knocking on doors. We need to keep visiting with people. We need to get our yard signs out. If you've got donations, that helps us too. It helps us put stuff on the air. And we're actually targeting Andrew and Blake the roughly 17% of people who are undecided

who will help decide this race and we're sending them messages regularly and that's where we're focused right now because we've got a tremendous Republican base, we've got a numerical aid advantage we have 300,000 more Republicans voters than Democrats do what matters for us is getting those people to the polls

that takes funds, you know, Biggs for Arizona.com That does it, but we just need people out there spreading the word. That's the main thing. What happens in the state if Katie Hobbs stays in office versus what happens if you win? Well, just take a look at what she's vetoed. She's vetoed more than 70 election integrity bills while at the same time opening up the border to the south. Kind of a weird coincidence, I think, Andrew, you might think. But that's one thing. We've also gone from being one of the most affordable states in the country when she came in to now we're in the bottom five for least affordable states. She's driven up the price of housing that makes it very unaffordable.

She's not supportive fully of the police. And so we have, just so you know, there's only two states with a rising fentanyl overdose. Death rate. Arizona is spiking. We are the leader in the overdose rate, and that's because of her policies. She actually put moratoriums on building houses in the two fastest growing communities in the state, in the West Valley, in these valleys, which were, by the way, two of the top ten fastest growth places in the country. That's the difference that you get. She's actually tried to raise taxes multiple times. She's, and this is the key here. This gets to trustworthiness. She is the only governor in America who is currently being criminally investigated for pay for, pay for,

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viral clip of Shark Tank's Kevin O'Leary where he was gushing at length about a Rolex watch he was incredibly excited about. And then that turned into a discussion basically, is our billionaires going on podcasts and talking about their favorite watches and really glowing almost like worshipful terms.

Is that going to put capitalism in danger? Is that fueling democratic socialism? And it caused, it felt like an almost throwaway line to me at the time, but Jack, Jack, who was on the show with us, he stated that he, I believe, what was it, Andrew, that he doesn't believe in capitalism and he believes in nationalist populism instead. Populism. Yeah. So let's play the clip and we'll go from there because it did cause a bit of a stir online and we wanted to make sure that we talked about it.

Because I actually think it's a really, really important topic more broadly to make sure that we as conservatives understand what we mean when we say capitalism. Go ahead and play cut 20. We are capitalists. We are fundamentally pro somebody spending their wealth, how they want to spend their wealth. I don't think we should, I don't think we should center our country around capital. I think that's, I think that's not Christian. All right. So the big line there is that he said, we are not cap.

I'm not a capitalist. Now, I've talked to Jack about this, and I think that he would probably state it differently and be more clear if he had an opportunity to do it. let's just say it outright. We are capitalists. We're very much pro-capitalism. Charlie would often say that capitalism is the most proven, moral, and effective economic system ever, and it's lifted billions of people out of poverty. The alternative, obviously, is going to be socialism or Marxism, which leads at best to stagnation and malaise, but at worst to authoritarianism, poverty, misery, and mass death. In the 20th century alone, over 100 million people died as a result of common.

communism. But you also have to balance that with we are Christians, right? We don't believe that we should be worshipping money. We serve God, not money. You cannot serve two masters. And that's a very important thing to keep in mind. And as Blake pointed out, Jack was reacting to a Kevin O'Leary clip in which he, I guess, claims that he was begging on his knees for this Rolex, this very rare Rolex worth $1.8 million. Now, I just want to say very out front here, I don't have a problem with a system that allows somebody like Kevin O'Leary to do that. I do not have any issue with him being successful. We love capitalism because it is freedom, ultimately.

Capitalism is not a system that man really invented at all. It's a system that just emerges when people are free to exchange goods and services and when there's a financial system behind it to exchange dollars, currency for those goods and services. And we celebrate success. But we also shouldn't worship material wealth, right? We shouldn't worship the greed, right? We shouldn't worship materialism. We worship God.

And here's the big difference. And I think this is a nuanced approach that has come into the conversation essentially since 2015, more and more so, with the rise of President Trump and populist, more populist conservatism. And that is that conservatives should not measure the same. success of our nation on GDP alone. This was a common way that conservatives would say, hey, look at the GDPs going up. Well, that's all well and good, but your industrial base and your manufacturing core has been hollowed out and shipped off to China. So instead of good paying jobs, you get a lot of cheap plastic junk from China that's just going to end up in the garbage can. Right. So what is that balance? There are limits to capitalism, pure unadulterated capitalism that is,

totally worthwhile to consider and ask questions about. A great example of this, Blake, and perhaps this is where you should jump in, is immigration, right? If you just let big business get exactly what they want when it comes to immigration, you would have a flood of cheap labor coming in, and that would harm the country. Conservatives have rejected this model for capitalism. We say, no, we don't want unfettered mass migration just because you can get cheap labor out of it. That is not in the interest of the country. So there are limits and we need to have an ongoing conversation about just what those limits are. Blake, do you agree? Well, I think going back to what Jack said, people flipped out about him saying he's not a capitalist, but I think the more important line he said is we shouldn't

center our country on capital. And you'll sometimes run into that where people will angrily point out that the U.S. should not just be an economic zone, a free trade zone. It exists. It is an actual country with people. And when you're an actual country with people, that carries additional values besides merely the increase of wealth for people by any means necessary. And as you said, yeah, we're also Christian as well. So Charlie was a big fan of capitalism. He was a big defender of it, certainly against alternatives like socialism, Marxism, communism, communism. But he also, what was his chief value? His chief value, and also I should mention, socialism sucks. one of the earliest lines that Turning Point uses.

But his big goal in life was religious revival. He wanted to have a revival of American faith. He wanted to have a revival of American identity. And those are things that come before capitalism. You would want to have those as your bedrock. And then on top of that, you implement a free market capitalist system because that is by far the best way to ensure broad-based wealth in your society. And pointed out with Jack, since people got mad at Jack over that line, Jack wrote the book Inhumans, which is basically, it is a bestselling book about how communism and Marxism are completely rotten and have killed millions upon tens of millions of people in the past century. So the idea that he's becoming a shill for Marxism, which some people have alleged, I think, I think that's bonkers, to be frank, although he can say moron and that in his own right, too. But I think that's the key thing to empathism.

emphasize is, and Charlie said a lot. I think, let's throw it up here. The image here, I think it's, is it 18, where Charlie's talking about socialism versus communism. Let me get it here. And he basically says that, or not socialism versus communism and socialism. It's like capitalism is the best system we have to have an unequal distribution of blessings, of prosperity. And it's going to be unequal, that's the nature of it. And when you have socialism, you have an equally shared amount of misery and suffering. I think that's channeling a line from Churchill, who Charlie greatly admired. And it's completely true that we have a system that is unequal. We have to make sure that inequality doesn't spiral out of control. That's what the discussion was about last week. Is too much

in your face inequality going to cause people to have an angry reaction? And then they're going to impose socialism on us and ruin it for everybody. That is why we warn everyone about Mamdani. That is why we warn everyone about democratic socialism, that people who are taking advantage of populist anger are going to destroy the American experiment and impoverish all of us. Because make no mistake, America has become the country that the entire planet wants to move to because of capitalism, because we have a free market system that has made this country so wealthy and so successful. So we just need to emphasize those points, Andrew. Obviously, we remain a very pro-free market organization, but we're not the Cato Institute here. We are not capitalism above all else and to the exclusion

of all else. Yeah, we don't worship the GDP. And ultimately, that is the distinction that needs to be made, is that, listen, we became a country that got really good at capital markets, and we should keep it that way. Let's just be very clear. Our capital markets are the envy of the world for good reason. They create so much opportunity from financing new business startups and the like. But we also became a little too over-reliant on financial instruments. Many, many people on Wall Street got obscenely rich by basically inventing pieces of paper that could swap derivatives a different way, right? And what Charlie loved was people like Elon Musk that actually used the financial markets to their benefit to build real things of actual value and innovation, right? That is the difference.

while a lot of people on Wall Street got very rich, we saw our manufacturing core get hollowed out. Now, we've got to find a balance in there because, again, we are not just an economy attached to a country. We are a country. We are a people. We have a heritage. We have a history. And we've got to be sure that the way that we are regulating those markets serves the interest of families, of the American people writ large. Capital should absolutely be free to pursue profits and growth. And the government should absolutely work to ensure that the capital is working in the interest of the people. That's all. We shouldn't worship capital markets, that we should make sure that the capital markets serve the people. And that's basically the big delineation here. And I don't really see too much of a

controversy here, maybe in the way it was expressed. Sure, whatever. But we absolutely, to Blake's point, need to be very cognizant of the fact that great wealth inequality in a hollowing out of our manufacturing core is going to radicalize our politics. So all right. Actually, do we have Jack now? I think we do have him. So Jack, there you are. Tongzaman, Singula. Singula, Tongsaman. Okay, Jack. I have a question for Jack. Jack, are you a capitalist? I am a nationalist populist. So explain the difference and why there is a confusion out there? Well, I think there's a confusion, right? Because the system, there's a difference between the system of capitalism and the perception of capitalism that exists in the popular mind.

And people view the system of capitalism that we have today, which is very, very much not, you know, the pure capitalism or lazy fair capitalism, which has never existed. We have crony capitalism. We have a system where, you know, it has produced a k-shed. economy where you've got, as you were saying, guys were saying very expertly, I think, in the past segment that people, and actually we said on thought crime, of course, people love to clip things out of context, that what we were talking about, and Blake, you remember because you were there, somebody was on vacation. We're not going to name who. And we were talking about how in the case-shaped economy since 2008, there's been a certain segment of the population that has done

incredibly well. And there's another segment of the population below median income line that's basically living in recession conditions since 2008, so almost 20 years now, 18 years. And that's created this instability, or we talked about the genie coefficient in there. And I was specifically saying, and as we wrote about in Unhumans, the secret history of communist revolutions and how to crush them a New York Times bestseller that the communists like Mandami, who I confronted to his face in the Oval Office just want the instability. They want to use that to rise up and tear down everything. So it actually serves their purposes. And what a nationalist populace believes is that free enterprise, innovation, business, these are all great things. We love these things, but not at the expense

of the nation, right? So you need to have borders. You can't have open borders as well, because if you don't have that, then you lose your nation. If you lose your nation, you lose, you erode everything that you've built everything that the founders fought for. The founders wanted us to be a nation state after all. And so it's that understanding that these are all tools that our country should be using to better everyone's lives. And absolutely, do I support Elon Musk? A hundred percent, 100,000 percent. But when Elon bought X, he didn't do that just out of pure market necessity or market interest. He did it out of public interest because he knew that it would be better for the nation, that we have freedom of speech in the digital sphere,

which is something that had we not had that, we would have lost 2024. We all know we would have if we hadn't unleashed that, which produced this sort of anti-censorship effect. So, but what you're not claiming is that you are pro-socialism, pro-Marxism. Just, I'm just for the sake of clarity. I would love, I would love to find anyone. I would challenge anyone out there to have find any,

anyone on the right or even in politics who is more anti-communist than the guy who literally invented Franco Friday. Okay. But I just, this stuff gets clipped on social media and it gets taken a thousand different ways. And I just want to be very clear, Charlie loved capitalism. He loved markets. He believed that it was the most proven, moral and effective economic system that has ever

been used anywhere in the world. and that it's essentially an outgrowth of human nature, that we naturally want to trade goods and services. Your clarification here is that you want it to work for the good of American families, the good of American people, the communities, and that there are certain limitations, regulations that do make sense. You mentioned immigration, which is one that I referenced in the previous segment. Immigration and trade is to have unfettered mass migration for cheap labor. And by the way, I've gone to something we've rejected rightly. I gave a speech at CPAC two years ago where I laid all this out. I said, this is the biggest difference between sort of the old right and the new right

and that we have more of an emphasis on immigration and trade, specifically those two issues. And you can't separate the old right, which wanted open borders, free markets, which included the free flow of people's, because they were saying that people are like a world market. And we said, yeah, we don't agree with that. And then, of course, when we talk about trade, that brings up the question of China, that brings up the question of so many things that we've done, which obviously President Trump has confronted in something that I've been talking about for 20 years now, going back to when I lived in China and worked for the Shanghai Chamber of Commerce, American Chamber of Commerce, and saw how incredibly imbalance that was. And of course, saw that there were people who were, you know, the Kevin Aliris of the world were getting fabulously wealthy off of this by exploiting the Lao Beijing of China and then also screwing. over the middle the middle americans of which jd vans is of course a member and and really i think that these forces are the forces that brought the maga movement to the four in the first place this is why donald trump won in 2016 this is why he won the russ belt this is why jaddy vans has his

political career if you look back at hillbilly elegy uh it's because of all of these forces that we're talking about i mean this isn't a separate issue this is the issue i just i think it's just worth emphasizing, guys. Socialism sucks was one of the earliest lines from Turning Point for a reason. It does suck. We love free markets. But remember, you cannot serve both God and Mammon, serve God. Hi, folks, Andrew Colvett here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to

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name Francesca Hong. She is a radical loony-tune lefty who is likely going to be the Democrat nominee for governor. And we use the word Democrat loosely here, Blake, because she's legitimately, as far left as they come. She is a Zoran Mamdani look-alike, and her last name's Hong, and she's going up against Tom Tiffany, who's a great guy who is running as the Republican nominee for governor. And we've got to, we just got to play some of these clips. Blake, because the more you see, the more you hate her. And I really do mean that. Like she, you've got to play her back in her own words. So I'm going to start here and then I'll have you react on the other side, Blake. SOT 7. You championed in the legislature, trans inclusive

legislation, even as public opinion has shifted, big majorities now support bans on trans females and women's sports and medical interventions from minors. So what are you going to tell Tom Tiffany when he calls you a radical trans activist? What's radical is that we still have a $7.25 minimum wage. All right. So radical trans activists instantly pivots to economics. That is that has got to be poll tested, Blake. 100%. But the thing is, is she actually has just such a history of radical ideas. This is the classic play where now she's the front runner for governor in no small part because all of her potential rivals are getting taken out. There was a more, I hesitate to say moderate. It's still a

Democrat, but a more moderate frontrunner who had a scandal with her financial reporting, poof, taken out. There was another rival, Mandela Barnes, he dropped out. It's basically everyone's quit, so they're almost certainly going to be stuck with this woman. And she just has one loopy thing after another. She has this long history of endorsing abolish the police. She has a long history of endorsing anti-white resentment. And now she's trying to drag it back and say, oh, this is just about economics. Her economics are still loopy as well, but it at least is not as obviously deranged to ordinary voters as all of the abolish the police stuff that's going on. And I want to highlight a few of those things. It's like

she has a tweet from 2020 where, kid, why are you eating dad's chicken bones? And she goes, because I'm not white. For real, though, it's alarming how differently we consume trick and drumsticks. She's called to, in 2020, she called to abolish Thanksgiving and said this should have been done in 1621. She said they had to leave a culvers. There's a million culvers in Wisconsin. I feel like it's a state law. You got to like it to run for governor. And she says, I had to leave mostly just because I was on the verge of an anxiety attack. Too many old white people who didn't think we spoke English, which I don't know if there's any evidence of that. I think she probably just invented that in her head. And on top of that, she's given interviews where she's talked about having a bipolar mental breakdown

where she was cutting herself late in high school. And now she's going to run to run an entire state. Mental health can be a real problem, and you should get help if you have problems. You should get help. You probably should not run a state if you have a history of psychotic breaks. That's what I would say.

It looks like we have Alex Marlowe joining us now. Alex is the editor-in-chief of Breitbart and host the Alex Marlowe show. Alex, how crazy is this Hong character and how worried should we be that she might be running Wisconsin in a few months? I'm super worried. I've done a lot of research on Wisconsin. This is one of the breeding grounds for left-wing activist violence in the country, Madison in particular. But it really is a hub for a lot of the most radical elements of the American left.

It's a purple state in general, and I think there's a ton of salt to the earth people there. But in some of these, they have huge university systems that are incubators for far-left people. I want to go through some of her stuff. Blake did a great job, and I'm going to even add to more of it. She's not just for defunding police. She wants to abolish the police. And this is 2020. This is not a million years ago.

This is recent. She said in a perfect world, we would be without prisons. She called you cancel Thanksgiving. She was mad about Culver's, which is a really good fast food place. There are too many white people there. You got to remember,

the whole Democrat party is run by people who care about identity more than anything else. And she's tipping a lot of those boxes as best she can. Of course, she hates ice. She's called to abolish the Senate, at the U.S. Senate, which means she doesn't even like states, which is ironic that she wants to run a state. She's even like states.

So it's all of this extreme socialist, extreme lawlessness, extreme identity politics. And I think we should not gloss over Blake's point about mental disease. I looked up to see if she has any diagnosable mental conditions. And there's none available. But she certainly seems like someone where you think, I don't know if this woman's right in the head. Well, we can actually answer that. No, she's not, Alex.

Like, was she diagnosed? She says in an interview, I believe this is 23, it was a few years ago, and she says, I was diagnosed with bipolar disease, she calls it, bipolar disorder. I was taking SSRIs. I overdosed on lithium. So this is what she herself has said about her own background in mental health. Andrew. But think about how this gives her a victim status that actually has currency in the Democrat Party. That it's no longer about are you sharp or are you accomplished. That's not even a good thing. If they actually, dine out more on their victimhood and being able to say how they were oppressed. They're obsessed with privilege. If you've mental health issues, then this is the opposite of privilege. Remember, Asian women are the most educated demographic in the country. So she comes from a privileged demographic, and she's probably thinking about that when she's leaning into other stuff that does not, that makes you seem like more of a victim.

Listen to this. This is her talking to Hassan Piker, who of course has endorsed her candidacy, Sot 9. Can I be honest? Yeah, be honest. I was crying during Congresswoman Omar's speech, so I went up trying to get my together. But I think overall I'm just very grateful. She was crying during Ilhan Omar's speech, because that's a totally normal thing to do. Ilhan Omar, who is the ingrate, who hates America, this is the new breed of Democrats.

And it's terrifying, and it should be. And they're all mental cases. I true and I just reminds me of Ilhan Omar I guess married her brother I guess it's the I say I guess because I want to caveat in case there's any legal issues and then we learn that Troy Jackson is making kids with his second cousin out in Maine it's a is there a sane Democrat who's on a national stage right now is there someone who's like a genuine relatable human being we got the cartoon character Haley Stevens in Michigan who is affected that's not really how she talks by the way that's all an affectation it's just a race to be who can be the nuttiest person and that That is what's, I know why, because that makes it so that for fundraising, it's easier because you go viral. And every time we talk about these people on their shows, they fundraise off it and they make money. So we're building up these characters that are incredibly compelling in horrifying, but also pose a real threat if they get actual power. Oh, geez. I mean, there's so much clip, so many clips that we can play here.

And by the way, I think it's worth, you mentioned Maine, second cousins. all it truly is how Rico is saying more and more insane stuff it is difficult to look at the democrat national candidacy map and see anybody that you would want to actually invite into your family home look that is that is the benchmark for me when I'm talking about do I like these people do I trust these people and there really is a dearth of normal people on the left of this on the left of this country got to play some clips here Alex because it's just, I mean, these people are, it's just like a, it's like a clown show. Let's, let's not forget about Abdul El-Said, who is in Michigan.

It's probably going to be this Democrat senator, the candidate for Senate from Michigan, play cut 13. I also want to remind you guys that there are a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today. So like, I just don't want to comment on Khomeini Khomeini at all. I don't think it's worse even touching that. And not to be outpaced by James Talrico, Sot 16. God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between. God is non-binary.

God is non-binary. We don't want to comment on Kameni. It just, it's truly remarkable. the candidates that have been fielded on the Democrat ledger this cycle, Alex, this is historically awful. Their bench is very, very weak. And yet these people really could win. Exactly. And Saeed's got that same slate of issues where he wants to abolish ICE. He wants to defund the police. He's buddies with Hassan Piker who thought the USA deserved 9-11. He does all sorts of different pandering. But I'll tell you, don't underestimate Saeed because he's got some real political skills.

when he goes on the stump, he's very likable, and he sticks with this message. We're getting money out of politics. We're doing Medicare for all. These things pull very well, and he's very good at staying on message. So I think he's going to win by a lot tomorrow in the primary, and he'll be a formidable general candidate. But he has so many holes in his game because he's a socialist who also wants an open border, which is impossible. You can't do that mathematically. And he's a socialist who made over 700K last year and has a bunch of international real estate holdings,

which is really tough because he should theoretically be donating all that money. to socialist causes, right? I mean, he's got enough, right? Why does he need hundreds of thousands of extra dollars plus a bunch of real estate income every year? It is something that I don't know why the socialists are tolerant of this, but they will be because they've tolerated much worse. Bernie Sanders is three houses.

Tala Rico this weekend, it was someone said to him in a Q&A that Carmelo Anthony's death was a tragedy, or the Carmelo Anthony's situation was a tragedy, he's not dead. But he murdered a guy in cold blood and got convicted. And it's not a tragedy that's a murderer. And it's just one of these things where he does not know how to pivot away from the hard left. And the Democrats are obsessed with trying to flip Texas. And these are just, I don't think Calrico's the guy to do it.

I want to, I want to nitpick one thing, Andrew, which is just only their bench, I wouldn't say it's very weak. I think they're very nutty. I think they're very crazy. But a lot of these people, this is what political talent is on the left, this ability to spout really radical rhetoric. in a way that's engaging to young people. They're going on Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker, he's a very popular guy. And I think we always put ourselves in danger when we emphasize that this could be politically

damaging. I think it could be. But I don't know. This is a thing I've seen over and over on the right for years where they run a crazy person and we think that's made our lives easier when what we first of all need to think is this is putting our country in grave danger because all of these people as messed up as they are, even if they're having these psychotic breakdowns like Ms. Hong is, once they're in office, they will be very good at one thing, which is executing on their actual political agenda.

And we need to make sure everyone is fully aware of what that agenda is, that prison abolition, radical increase in leniency on criminals. That's a very real thing that they'll roll out, abolishing ice. They're going to go all out on that. A lot of them have found ways to make a free Palestine an issue even in state politics. So you're going to see them pursuing third world foreign policies as state level officials. All of this is on the table with the left. And it's only getting stronger. This is an opportunity for us to warn moderates and say, look, you need to get on board. You need to make sure that we hang on or very radical stuff will be unleashed or it will get absolutely out of control. Yeah, I don't disagree with you, Blake, at all. I believe that they have a

massive opportunity to win in this cycle specifically. But there has to be an acknowledgement from our side that when wealth inequality becomes so extreme, and I blame COVID for that, I blame printing money more than anything, by the way, because it sparks inflation, which helps the economic incumbents that own assets, that own real estate, that own stocks and bonds. Those people benefit really a tremendous amount during those types of cycles, and the working class gets host. So this becomes a really big problem that can radicalize our politics, and you're seeing those chickens come home to roost in the rise of DSA. So our messaging has to acknowledge some of those issues, and it has to say, we're fighting for nationalist populist policies that are going to onshore manufacturing,

onshore wealth creation here at home, and we need to be real about that. But we love capitalism, but we have to acknowledge that there are people that are being left behind right now, and there are reasons for that, and it's bad policy. It's not capitalism. It's bad policy. Alex, final to you on that topic specifically. What do we need to do from a messaging standpoint? Yeah, perfect place to add in the discussion because every minute we're not talking about making life more affordable for Americans is a minute that's wasted. And I see a lot of wisdom in a lot of the stuff that President Trump is taking on right now. And I see a lot of lack of wisdom and a lot of the Democrats agenda. But it really is a race to who can talk the most about affordability for

working class Americans. That is the coalition that the Republicans have rode to victories over the past decade and the Democrats have ceded that. They think they're going to win with a lot of identity stuff, but whoever can effectively talk about how to make life more affordable, whether it be health care or housing, for us, the messaging is we're sealing down the border, we're going to do deportations, we're to protect American workers, our wages, and our home prices. If we do that, we're winning and if we're talking about other stuff, we're wasting time. And that's why Saeed, to his credit, he doesn't really talk about this stuff as much as he talks about getting money out of politics and Medicare for all, which would make life.

cheaper for certain people. That's what he's trying to do. The gender non-binary stuff, I think that's a loser for them. But the point is, is affordability, affordability, affordability. That's the big thing to discuss. Amen. Amen. Well said, Alex Marlowe. Bright Bart, host of the Alex Marlowe show, great friend of the show. Great to see you, my friend. Thank you. I want to talk to you about an issue so many Americans face, and that's health insurance. There's an organization I really, really appreciate, called Christian Health Care Miner. histories. CHM is a faith-based alternative to health insurance. And this is real stuff, folks, like you've got to listen in. With CHM, you're not paying into a company's profit margin. You're

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for a 50% credit towards your first month. That's C-H ministries.org slash Charlie and use promo code Charlie. All right. So without further ado, we've got Taylor Hansen, Frontlines Reporter. You can find him on X at Taylor, USA, T-A-Y-L-E-R-U-S-A, and Kiann Simone. And he's another Frontline's editor. They have a huge story here out of Canada

and how the Canadian border is now getting exploited, and they brought some much needed attention to this. So, Taylor, let's start with you here. What have you found? Paint the big picture for us. And then I'm going to play some of these clips that prove the thesis of your argument. Yeah, well, we found quite a bit, to say the least. And I'll start putting it this way is there is a, I would describe it as a massive decentralized

network that is highly organized all the way from India to Brampton and other areas of Canada that are actually facilitating what you would call mass illegal immigration into the United States of almost, almost individually and specifically Indian illegal immigrants through the North border. And these are Indian smuggling gangs as well that are facilitating this. So you usually have the fixer in India, and they basically connect you with human smugglers in Canada that have abused Canada's largely broken immigration and visa system. And then they then essentially just pour over our border because there is non-existent RCMP or CBP responses. And those acronyms are the Royal Canadian

Yeah, Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Explain the acronyms. Yeah, so you have the Royal Mounted Canadian Police, and that's essentially what we would describe as our Border Patrol here in the United States, and then you have CBP, which is that is basically immigration customs. So that is our side of the border. So on either side of the border, there is next to no actual security.

This is how bad it is. SOT 22. The lake. She said that we would be taking to a lake and you have to walk across. So you just counter yet without crossing and assuming or wing boating is it going to work and go off the road. Okay, so this is going to back.

Yeah, it's going to back on the checkport and you are going to cross. I'm a journalist. Do you guys, are you guys interested in giving me a comment on why you guys are illegally smuggling humans into America? Oh, really? Yes, really. Got him. What's happening in that?

clip. Yeah, we actually had just met with a human smuggler in person that we were connected with through a fixer that we had been speaking to for a few days. And this fixture was located in India. He connected us with a multitude of smuggling or actually in Canada that were on Canadian visas through Indian. And they then essentially met up with us in person. My backstory was that I'm going to be smuggled into the United States as well as my wife and my nine-year-old child. We met up with him in person and this was actually after the fact. We basically were just dragging them along saying, oh, I need to convince my wife. You know, she's scared trying to pull as many details out as possible. And once we had enough details and had actually met with him face to face, got his face on camera,

seen how large this one specific network was. You had over three car different cars show up, an actual taxi showed up to deliver us to the Northern Board where we walk across. And that was us actually calling him and trying to confront him. And he actually did give us a constant. surprisingly enough. We were very surprised. And he just kind of tried to play it off as, you know, they were good Samaritans, helping people that were struggling in Canada get to the United States illegally, but that it's not illegal because these people are in trouble. Yeah, it was so remarkable. I was just re-watching your, your footage this morning and just, I think it's important to impress this upon people. We've heard about the Mexican border for ages,

and it's actually a pretty involved process. There are walls along there. We have constant CBP patrols all along it. We have, and it's, it's harsh landscape. So you get these coyotes and they're walking you across this desert landscape. It's difficult. You can die in a variety of ways. And we've been so used to Canada being this developed country with a sane system. So we don't have as many protections along that border. We haven't seen as many people illegally come over this. And I just want to play this clip because it drives home how wide open it actually is and how word is getting out about that where it just takes a few minutes to cross the border up there. Let's play clip 24. Hello.

You got the car, brother? What brother? Are you getting the car? I'm just, I'm still kind of trying to talk my wife into it. She's just getting scared. How, how fast does somebody pick us up in New York? Five minutes, brother. Like you spoke for 10 to 15 minutes, then within five minutes, there will be a car coming to pick you up. So that's all it is to my understanding. You walk through the woods for 10 to 15 minutes, and there's a car on some backcountry road, pick it up, and presumably there are maybe hundreds, thousands of people who've done that.

And you can describe this, how you were basically offered some new job that you could show up no paperwork, imagining you were one of these foreigners. I think it was in Chicago. Like, you just walk across 15 minutes, five minutes a car picks you up. Bam, you have an illegal job in America. Yeah, well, and it's not just a job. And that, you know, the H-1B debate has been kind of widely brought up among the right in the recent years because it's just been, it's not used for what it is actually supposed to be used for anymore. It's just being abused in masks. And this kind of renders the H-1B idea, you know, kind of useless at this point because that's obviously a system that's being abused in NASS right now.

But it proves that you don't even need an H-1B to either live or work in America at this point. And they hadn't just offered jobs. They actually offer free housing, a job to pay any additional bills. They offer you free food and free transportation. So these people are illegally walking across. And who knows the realistic numbers? I mean, I'm in multiple of these group chats. And I get, I'd say just in one group chat a day out of the dozen that I'm in are 10 to 15 successful crossing videos and stories that are happening.

So this is happening a lot more than people think. and then they are being funneled into places like Chicago, Newark, New Jersey. The demographic change we've seen in New Jersey isn't a, you know, happy coincidence. These are people illegally coming across. They may have people on H-1Bs already in these cities or they have an understanding that, hey, I came from an area like Brampton, which is, you know, a massive Indian enclave in Canada. I want to be around with the same people that are also from India in the United States. So they funnel into a place like New Jersey.

and even all the way down to Texas. So they're going to these places and they're connected with even deeper networks that are in America, operating in America as well. So it's an entire pipeline all the way from India to Canada and into the United States. So, Kean, you are part of this reporting as well. What did you notice?

What were the big takeaways from you? What shocked you the most? I mean, I'm sitting here kind of my jaws on the floor because it's just so infuriating. What did you? you notice that really took you a back? That's the funny thing. I'm actually Canadian myself.

I'm not shocked at this. I've known that this is happening. This has happened for the last 15, 20 years. Obviously, it's gotten worse through the peak years of, I'd say, the last six, and then it kind of quieted down now. But like the story really manifested because I've been trying to get my U.S. visa and I've been having a hell of a time, which might make your viewers happy. but because I've had so much time

such a hard time when I tell my friends or family what's going on I've had multiple people say just get an Indian to bring you across and that's how widely known and open and just nonchalant that conversation is here so when I was like because we talk about this and we don't look at it

from an American angle so when I brought this story to Taylor I'm like this is like this is an American story this is not a Canadian story at all what shocked me the most is we have a student visa program where we brought in literally millions of Indians which millions is a lot for Canada because our population is so low it's like 40 million so we brought in I think it was like 2 million student visas for Indians and the whole idea was because they went missing like there was like 50,000 people missing that didn't go to school

that came here for a student visa never showed up the class once my theory was like I think that they're gone to the states and we kind of ran with it and I think that theory it proved us all to be true I think that's very true

Kean and I was just joking with Andrew with that with that mighty red green show beard there I feel like you're the last Canadian who still looks like a Canadian but maybe we'll get you into the United States we like the good Canadians folks but that 50,000 number is crazy. So I want to put that in perspective, guys. Remember, America's about 10 times the size of

Canada. So you think of those miners who showed up at our border, half a million of them going missing. Canada's version of that is 50,000 student visas. They show up here to study in Canada, and they poof away. There's literal just TikTok guides. Call us, go here, and you can, as we just learned, get a car in five minutes drive into the United States to a job. And I suspect that's happening all over the country. Yeah. And it's, it can't be said enough that they're going to places like New York because we have bastions of lawlessness in our own country. So they create magnets in a place where these people can then go and get illegal employment. Because these are bastions of lawlessness of illegal immigration. They fight ICE. They fight CBP. They fight the Trump administration.

And I want to talk about the social media of it all as well and how blatant and brazen this is on social media. That was us actually meeting with the human smuggler as kind of touched on earlier. This is the exact same thing and the same tactic that the cartels on the southern border use is they would blatantly advertise on platforms like TikTok and Instagram with very specific keywords and basically to acquire Americans to smuggle illegal immigrants over. And this is the exact same thing they're doing. All you need to do, and I implore every viewer that's watching this to do it, go on Instagram and type in Canada to USA Safe. And you will almost immediately see, just keep scrolling. You'll see hundreds to thousands of blatant ads targeting these Indians on Visa programs that have essentially just flooded Canada to cross the border illegally. And it's as simple as it shows a WhatsApp message.

You shoot that person a message. that's going to be the fixer usually located in India. And within the exact same day, sometimes almost even immediately, they will connect you to an entire network of human smugglers operating in Canada. So yeah, you say, you just search, yeah, you search, Canada. What was that exact search term? I want to see if we can get someone to find one real quick. It's Canada to USA safe.

Thousands of these. Did you see, are they in a bunch of languages? What sort of prices are they quoting? I know you guys had one that was, it was $9,500 to pay the drivers because, of course, the guy who was smuggling, you said he was just doing this as a do-gooder thing. But what was maybe the lowest price you saw that you thought was a real offer? Were they strung out all along the border? Like, were there ones in Canada or in Vancouver and then Manitoba and then maybe out in New Brunswick? I want to really give people the sense of what the scale of this is.

What's fascinating about that. Yeah, I'll hand it one off. It's with the other provinces. The lowest that we found was $3,000, but they don't actually advertise the price. You have to talk to them. And that's what Taylor and I found out while we were investigating this.

It's like they will, when the fixer fixes you with the other smugglers, that you can kind of ban barter with them. And it's not like a fixed price. You can negotiate down. But yes, this does happen in, it's called Surrey. It's right beside Vancouver.

it's our second largest Indian population. And that is right above Washington, I believe. That's also just a very easy crossing. It happens in Saskatchewan, Manitoba. Not so much, but it does happen enough to notice. It kind of stopped in Manitoba because a few people died through the winter because it's so dang cold there. But usually it just happens in Cabas.

Beck and then more east. Just because the border is so, it's so easy. I hate saying it's so easy to, there's so many points across. Like there's not that many official crossings, but there is a ton of ways to get over, literally just crossing over through a forest or, or you walk across a river or you walk across someone's beach,

which we discovered. So it does happen all over the country. Not so much Ontario because of the Great Lakes and the only way to get across is to it. official crossings, but it happens through the entire country. And it's a huge border. It's absolutely massive. Let's play this clip. We have not played this one. SOT 23. Smuggler number one is directly adjacent to me in this parking lot in the motel, driving in Grey Honda Civic. He was a Indian guy probably about 20 years old. We spoke

extensively about it. He seemed pretty sketched out at first, realizing, you know, I'm a white guy. But we kind of smooth talked him down, just said that my wife is worried. You know, we have our kid with us. And he ended up actually showing me the location on the lake that we were going to cross. He said, we don't have to cross the lake. We're going to basically, it's a 10 to 15 minute walk is what he said, through the woods to the right of a border checkpoint. And then they would then pick me up in the United States of America.

And then they would drive us into basically upstate New York City. It's just unbelievable. There's so much land. I just think about how vast that border is. And the fact that there's 50,000 missing Indian students out of Canada, they're probably got some job at some bodega in New York City right now. Did you track any of these people that have made it to the United States? Do we know anything about some of these people that have used this smuggling service?

Well, I'd say the large majority of them are usually ending up either in Vermont or New York. Those are the two major crossing points that we were investigating. I mean, we were offered a job, a full-time job in housing in either Milwaukee or Chicago. And then you see literally yesterday it came out. I don't know if you guys were aware of it, but it was this massive video of this huge Palestinian caravan basically backing up a highway for hours at a time when they're waving foreign flags, basically asking for their own independent state in Punjab in India. And this is a great example.

This isn't Indiana out of all places. So it's not just centralized to one area. Of course, the majority of them do end up in New York in places like Vermont and Indiana. New Jersey is a very big hot spot as we see that enclave grow. But it goes all the way down to Texas. It even comes to Utah. It goes to Washington. Washington is facing a really big issue with that.

And on top of that, Washington is also facing a lot of fentanyl tracking from these similar and adjacent groups as well. So it doesn't just end with human smuggling en masse. It also extends to bringing poison into our country through the northern border now that the southern border has been a little more secure. Kian, final thoughts to you as the resident Canadian. You know, you said this has been going on for years. How do we stop it? Build another wall. You'd have to cover that mass, that landmass with so much security, you would need drones.

you would need, like all of the stuff that you have on the southern border, you would have to put that up north too. There's no other way. Our country is lost. Our immigration is over-ridden. We literally, that 50,000 number is only a number because those people never once showed up to class. You could show up to class once, then you would be compliant, and then they would lose track of you until they have to come try to find you again to make your compliant again. There's other visas that you can just come in and leave and we don't track you. Kean and Taylor, thank you for your great reporting here.

I'm going to be sending this to my friends over DHS right away. So God bless you both. We'll see you guys tomorrow. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.