The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Why Me?: The Brain on Tilt by Dr David Arthur Kent

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Why Me?: The Brain on Tilt by Dr David Arthur Kent https://www.amazon.com/Why-Me-David-Arthur-Kent/dp/B0FZSF5PW4 This book provides a comprehensive overview of mental illness, emphasizing that these conditions are biological and medical in nature, not signs of weakness or moral failings. It focuses heavily on evidence-based treatment, detailing how recovery is possible for conditions ranging from depression and OCD to bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, often through a combination of medication, psychotherapy (such as CBT, DBT, and ERP), and innovative biological interventions like TMS and ECT. A critical theme is the essential role of family support and education in improving outcomes and reducing relapse rates, alongside the need to combat stigma which remains a major barrier to seeking timely and effective help. The book illustrates these concepts through detailed case studies of individuals managing chronic illnesses successfully, redefining recovery as functional improvement rather than chasing a complete cure.

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He even has a doctor. He's a doctor. So that makes him ultra smart. And I'm just an idiot podcast with a mic. Dr. David, Arthur Kent, joins us on the show. His book is out November 3rd, 2025. It's called Why Me? The Brain on Tilt.

I think that was the first rendition draft, the title of the podcast. The Brain on Tilt. We're going to end with him, find out some insights on his books and how he can help you deal with maybe some of the issues you're having, mental illness or other things. I mean, you're listening to the show, so clearly there's something mentally wrong with you or mentally right with you, that or somewhere in between. But we'll find out because he's a psychiatrist. See how I did that?

Yeah, I just worked that right out. Mr. Dr. David Kent is a point. Board Certified Psychiatrist, 30 years of clinical expertise in mental health treatment and neuropsychiatry, founder and owner of New Me TMS Clinics in Idaho, specializing in advanced brain stimulation therapies for treatment resistant mental illnesses. That was also the second draft of what we're going to title the podcast before we set on the Chris Vos show. Because we just kind of figured if you say the Chris Voss show, we figure that there's some brain stimulation and mental illness that's going to. on there. Anyway, David, Dr. David Kent, welcome the show. How are you, sir? I'm excellent. Thank you so much. And I appreciate you to reference me as a young man.

That's very kind of you, very kind of you. It's an old Carson trick we learn, gas up the guests, make them feel really good and they shine. So that's what we do. Flattery gets us everywhere. It's working for sure. We want to be able to feel good about being on the show. So give us your dot coms, David. Do you want people to find you on the interwebs? Two places. For my book, I have at David Kentauthor.com. And that takes you to my author book website. You get some background on myself as well as the book and then how to get the book. And then my clinic in Idaho is newmeatMS.com.

It's N-U-M-E, that's the new me part, new-meat-ms. And that's my clinical practice, at least part of my clinical practice. So that's the two ways to find me. And as long as we're using terms, what is TMS stand for? The new me TMS clinic you have. What is the TMS part? TMS stands for transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's been around for quite a long time.

It's FDA approved since 2008. It's being used worldwide. So it's always surprising to me when people haven't heard of it. But that's just, it suffers from an awareness problem. That's why you're here, right? That's why I'm here. Let us know what? this is and how it can work.

Now, is this just where I hit people over the head with the magnet and they get better or worse? So to speak. It's been, it's highly developed. It's actually the most where we search treatment of all time in psychiatry, probably, all over 100,000 worldwide papers. They use some lectomagnetic device that targets a specific part of the brain that's underperforming, so to speak, and it stimulates in such a way that it takes it to the gym and it works it out.

And when it actually works, it stays working for months or even years with or without any further intervention, which is kind of amazing. We call that durability. Yeah. And the other nice thing about, one more thing is there are no long-term side effects to TMS,

never, ever been discovered. And that's highly unusual. Everything has long-term side-of-fix, just not TMS. Yeah. Yeah, so does my Red Bull. That's the 30-minute or 30-second.

to elevator pitch right there. TMS, FTA approved. So you have all these devices in your office that help help fix the brain. Do you think there's anything you can do for the people on Twitter? Because we've been over there. And I'm not sure brains are even, do you have to have a brain to use the service? I just don't know if the science has evolved yet to do that. You have to have a starting point.

So give us like a 30,000 over you. What's inside this book of yours? Why even? It took me a minute to think about this. I wanted to write a book for a while, but just didn't feel like I could. But there was no book out there written by a psychiatrist about mental illness in general, but I didn't want to write something dry or I didn't want to write a textbook. I wrote it in such a way that it hit the major mental illnesses, but each chapter, not every chapter, but about half the chapters are in story fashion. So they're about an individual who struggles with say depression or bipolar or OCD or borderline personality disorder. or schizophrenia, things like that. So it's relatable, people resonate with it. It kind of tells a journey. But before that, I talk about the brain science around mental illness because there's a real brain science around it.

And then the last few chapters are about what families can do and how they can support and have the resources they need to help their loved one. So it's kind of a journey through the book. It's not very long. It takes about an hour and a half to read the book. It's 11 chapters. At the very end of the book, there's an appendix. with enormous amount of resources.

And the thing I say about the book is it's not my opinion and it's not my belief system. It's an authoritative, evidence-based book. And so there's over 200 sightings in the book of research behind the book. And if even my colleagues came along and said, I don't think this part's true, I would change it if it weren't true.

So I always want to keep it up to date and sort of current contemporary science behind it. And those FDA approvals, I don't know if it's, I don't know if that's a, I mean, to me, I don't know, an FDA approval seems like it should be like, you know, a standard of what you could maybe trust. So some people, I only recommend, you know, but there are some non-fDA things, but I only recommend pretty much FDA-approved things. But this whole book is about evidence-based treatment. So there's evidence behind it, I don't put it in the book. Only stuff is based on evidence.

Now, do you also talk in the book about ECT? And if so, tell us what that is. Yeah, I do talk about ECT. I really talk about everything. I don't really leave anything out because I don't think that's fair. ECT stands for electroconvulsive therapy. It's been around since the 1950s and developed over the 70s and 80s to what it is today. Use electricity to stimulate the brain to go into a grand mal seizure.

This is all currently done under anesthesia with some muscle blockers, so you don't have a real full-on seizure. Wow. It's also quite safe. Over time, you run the risk of having some problems with the short-term memory loss, which is also reversible, but that can limit how much you can do with the ECT. But it's still a heavy use today. I'm still, I consult on it.

I've done it since the 1980s, so I've done a lot of ECT. So anything related to biological interventions and mental illness would be my expertise. All these things. I'm going to send you everyone. I've been texting in my phone. Now, who are the patients that these treatments are ideal for? Is there a certain targeted group or just anyone with their brain? How does that work? It's definitely defined. You know, ECT is primarily for major depression or refractory depression. We sometimes use it for kind of runaway mania, but that's pretty rare. It's really more used for people who haven't responded to medications and other treatments for depression. and they get quite hopeless and suicidal. So that's primarily how it's used. TMS started out being used exclusively for depression, and it's also quite powerful. However, they found other places in the brain that it's also good for.

It's also good for OCD, and it's been FDA approved for that. So depression and OCD, as a company on a Visor called Brainsway, that's also developed an FDA approval for smoking cessations. We think it'll dovetail into other addictions. So that's kind of an exciting aspect of it as well. Now, the first thing, the TMS, that's designed to reactivate the brain in certain sections that aren't activating properly. Is that correct understanding that I? Yeah, that's the simplistic way of looking at it is it, it does stimulate the brain in a targeted fashion.

And we call it circuits of the brain. These are all fairly new concepts that the brain actually has circuits. and CMS targets a particular circuit, usually stimulating it. Sometimes there are certain circuits we want to inhibit or slow down. In general, we tend to stimulate the circuit. And what we found over time is it actually causes neuropasticity in that circuit, meaning that the anatomy actually changes. And that's why TMS can have a long-lasting benefit,

not just short-term, but long-term. Now, does it help people with schizophrenia, bipolar disease, stupidity? etc, et cetera, or just maybe the first two. I haven't seen a stupidity indication yet. Schizophrenia, not so far. It doesn't really treat psychosis. Oh, really? In terms of bipolar, it is effective for bipolar depression,

just as it is for regular depression. And I've seen that by itself firsthand with people. So it does have that. The FDA has been slow to approve that for bipolar, but it does work in my experience. And it also works for obsessive-compulsive disorder. The TMS does. and I actually got one of the first machines in the United States to treat OCD,

and that's why my name will appear in some of the research papers because I supply data to the company that did that. This is pretty wild, this EMP stuff. It's like an induced stroke, is that correct? I mean, it's controlled, but... I mean, the TMS? Yeah, or no, is it the EMP or the TMS that's the controlled stroke? Is it the...

I think I'm getting my terms... Yeah, I think they're getting a mixed up. I don't know what the controlled stroke is, but TMS is heavily controlled. We control the parameters around it really tightly. And the standards that I follow are worldwide standards. There's never been found to be a long-term side effect of TMS, which is pretty remarkable, especially since it's such an impactful treatment. You expect something to be kind of a mess a little bit, but there just isn't.

In fact, more is probably better with TMS. So that's also unusual. Usually more is not always better with medications. It often makes things worse if you go too high because you start getting side effect problems. Okay. I guess the ECT. You talk about ECT. ECT is the induced current.

Yeah, it's electrical shock kind of thing in the brain. It causes the brain to go into an epileptic seizure. And the seizures felt to be therapeutic, and it is for depression. It is under control. So if it goes on too long, we see. stop it with medication. So it's a very controlled setting, anesthesia's involved. Patients don't really feel any discomfort. And we've been doing it for forever. So we really have, we're really good at it. And I've done it forever myself. I don't do it so much anymore,

but I've done it a lot of treatments. I've been involved with it a lot. I understand the parameters around it pretty well. That's pretty well. I had a dog that anesthesia. I didn't know that we had a way to induce that. Does it help with schizophrenia and bipolar then? Not so much with schizophrenia, but it can help with bipolar depression or, like I said earlier, if you have really an uncontrolled mania. I saw it once. I've only done it once in my career. We had a really manic lady back at my training at Iowa. The meds just would not touch her at all.

And we decided to do ECT and she walked out of the hospital like nothing had ever happened. She did awesome. So I've seen where I could work there. But we don't use it that way much because we have a lot of medications that are at disposal these days. Do you find that why does this work? I mean, we talk a lot about in the discussions we've had over the years, we've done one or two episodes, where we talk about how the body keeps score and how the body will house trauma, will house damage, and it seems to make it almost a physical part of itself,

or at least there's like an anchor there for the repetition of the thing that's in a physical thing. is this part of that where the body's keeping the score in the brain and there's certain elements that aren't functioning properly because of something maybe? I think it's partly true like that. The brain can be really entrenched. Most of the progressions that we treat today that are long term, they're long term. And a lot of patients will tell me that dates back to adolescents or even childhood, early adulthood, and then they might be 50, 60, 70 years old, and they still have it.

So it becomes entrenched and really entrenched. trance. But the remarkable thing with TMS doesn't really matter. If they could be 80 and they could come out of their depression with TMS after all those decades. So TMS has a unique way of working. It helps rewire the circuit that's defective. On the on the medication side, we've always had this party line that's chemical imbalance, chemical imbalance. And there's some maybe true to that, but they haven't really shut it that way. We just know that these medicines affect different neurotransmitters in the brain, of course, in our gut as well, because they have the exact same neurotransmitters as our brain. So that science is still unclear at times. We have data to show that they work,

but we don't really know how they work. If I give you an aspirin and your headache gets better, we don't really know how. We've been using aspirin for decades, or I give you, I have a profline. We don't know exactly how it works, or Tylenol, for that matter. We just know that they do work. So that's some of the challenge we have still. But with TMS, we know more about that than anything else in terms of its mechanism, how it works, where it works. We can show it on brain scans that it works. It's just pretty phenomenal. But outside of that, it starts to become a little muddier, so to speak. The brain's kind of one of those things. I think we're still trying to figure it all out. The brain is sort of the last frontier, in my opinion, because it's highly complex.

And in my book, I talk about the brain. I talk about how complex it is. And it's considered one of the most complex pieces of machinery in the universe, at least as far as we know. Even though we have supercomputers or AI that can do amazing things, it takes a tremendous amount of computing power to even come close to what our brain can do. And our brain is only three pounds. And it doesn't use near the energy that, say, a supercomputer uses. So we still have a huge advantage over the rest of the universe.

and so that's why it's going to take us a minute to figure this thing out. Yeah. And it's though, you know, you can do a readout on it and stuff or you can diagnose it with where you get like a car readout that tells you the error codes. But that day seems to be coming. So I don't think it's going to be very long. It started to get these narrow interfaces. Wow.

The neuroimaging is getting more sophisticated. And they couple that with electrical mapping of the brain with neuroimaging. and we're getting closer and closer. I think genetics play a huge role, but we can start to see how genetics play out and what the blueprint looks like. And so I think it's coming. I really do.

You know, my sister has MS, and one of the problems with MS, and I'm not a doctor, so you can correct me all you want. But basically what it does is a lot of it is a misfiring across the cushioning system of the brain. There's like a gel or something that, I don't know,

sits in or something. It sounds like some science physics movie. And then it goes down the spine. There's kind of like a protective thing. And I guess to my understanding with MS, there's scars, the scar tissue and scars that develop across that membrane and it randomizes different things. Like one day my sister's leg won't work the next day, her eye won't work. You know, the next day it's something else. And is there any way to maybe prepare stuff like MS or Alzheimer's, dementia, things of that nature as we age? Mets falls under the category of an autoimmune disease. So the body's attacking itself.

Wow. Just like rheumatoid arthritis is attacking our joints. We have different autoimmune disorders that turn on ourselves. And so an MS, the immune system is turning on the brain, and that's why, but it migrates. So, you know, if you look at an MRI of someone with MS, you'll see these little lakes in the brain, where you have these MS. spots and that's where the brain is being attacked at that particular time.

But over time, it migrates and changes. That's why your sister's symptoms aren't consistently always. It's not like she had a stroke in a part of the brain. It's just fixed. It's kind of just taking turns, targeting different areas of the brain, which we don't really understand why. But it's really an autoimmune process. Until we can understand the autoimmune process better, which I think we will, I think

we'll start to learn why the brain, why they use some turns on itself. and how to shut it off. Yeah. I have rheumatoid arthritis, so I have to take medication to keep it in check. Otherwise, my joints would be disfigured and I'd be in a lot of pain all the time. But because of the drugs, at least it tones it down so I can function normally, thankfully. But, you know, someday I'm hoping that they'll have a cure for it, just like for your sister. So that's the thing.

The brain can be affected by so many things. You know, there's strokes. There's infection. Thipidity. There's brain trauma. There's autoimmune diseases. There's ruptured androism. There's just so many things that can go wrong with the brain.

And so the more we understand it, the better we can have answers to help people. That's another good question. You kind of trigger me on there. Can it help with brain trauma? I've had some friends that have gotten brain trauma, and it's changed their lives indefinitely forever. We've had people on the show that have written books about, their children getting brain trauma and what it was like to try and, you know, circumvent it all and understand it all. And is there any help for brain trauma patients? I think TMS is being

researched worldwide. It's one of the most heavily researched brain treatments ever. So there's, there's thousands of researchers around the world. Even neurosurgeons use TMS to some extent. Well, trying to see how it would help with people who've had a stroke or damage to the brain. There's some preliminary data that suggests that there is possible. of that. I still think they have a lot to work out in terms of protocols. There's several different devices, TMS devices in the world. One is called a figure eight coil. The other ones, the brain sways H coils. And they both have value. The figure eight coils are much more accurate like a scalpel. And brain space is going to be act a little bit more broadly and hit more tissue

and target areas that those figure eight coil can't target. So I think and I think that I think just hope that some of the stuff was going to make a difference in someone who's had potentially brain trauma, depends on where the trauma was, as well as strokes, to some degree, depending on how sizable the stroke is. Yeah. Because if it was too much tissue, you may not get it back. Yeah, that's true. You know, it was interesting to me. My first friend had gotten it.

I never heard of brain trauma, brain, you know, brain injury sort of thing. I don't know what the correct term is. But I remember, you know, we used to go to lunch all the time, hang out, have a coffee, shoot the shit. You know, just a great friend. We were going to write a book together before my book. And he drank a bunch of vodka at home. I've been guilty of the same thing. And he, I guess he passed out in his kitchen and he fell backwards and slammed his head into the floor.

And he woke up with blood coming on his ear. and he had bleeding on the brain and they had to go in. And I think that actually made it worse. They had to go in and drain the blood from the brain. They were concerned about it. But it gave him this permanent thing. And suddenly he couldn't go out anymore. You know, anything with lots of noise, over-stimulation would really muck him up.

I mean, and so we couldn't hang out anymore. And if I did, it was like, you know, 10, 15 minutes. And you're like, Chris, I'm overwhelmed. I've got to go. And I just had to understand his condition, but it was even more shocking to know that it was lifelong. I guess it's good. A lot of these things are being developed and have been developed. How long does it take for me to do one of these if I qualify for this sort of treatment?

Like TMS, you mean? Yeah, the TMS. Yeah, TMS. All insurance has covered 36 treatments, depending on the manufacturer, but it's typically a 20-minute session five days a week. So it's about six or seven weeks of treatment. It's 20 minutes a day. So you have to be willing to commit to that. But most people are because the people who come forward have failed everything else.

So they're pretty desperate. And then people come even from out of state to come treat with me. And it was worth it. But I've had people, I've got a guy now who's driving about two hours a day one way for the last two and a half months to get treatment. So people can get real desperate when they feel hopeless. and they don't see any way out of this. So it's just, so people who live in my area,

it's a no-brainer. I'll just go get a 20-minute treatment and go back to my, so everything else I do. Now, the procedure, according to Google here, and you can tell me if I'm right or wrong, or Google's right and wrong,

because sometimes it is wrong, folks, a big surprise, is there's a device that goes onto the head that delivers some electromagnetic pulses to the prefrontal cortex, which regulates mood. Now I remember when I suffer for massive depression, OCD, ADHD, I still have massive ADHD,

but we try and manage it as best we can with vodka. No, I'm just kidding. Don't do that, folks. I used to. Anyway, and the one thing I learned about being on Zoloft and taking depression medicine was part of what was going on with my prefrontal cortex was it was being overwhelmed with data information.

And so instead of having a clean flow through here. It was just, it was just bogging down nasty. It was like, you know, it was like trying to ram 50,000 ships through a dam. And you're like, eh, that flow is not going to work there, buddy. Is that a, is that a good analogy of what's taking place with this procedure of TMS? Kind of. I mean, the initial discovery of TMS was in 1985 in London, England, where they found a defective area in the left, what they call the left drosolateral prefrontal cortex. They got kind of lucky. They found it. A psychiatrist out of South Carolina helped develop the technology named Mark George. They started treating it. They did double-blank placebo-controlled trials to show that it was

better than placebo. They proved that. Then the world took notice and it just exploded from there. So the prefrontal cortex is really critical in a lot of things when it comes to mental illness, depression, schizophrenia, and other things. It's the last part of the brain to develop in humans. So it developed in late adolescence 3020. about two years later in males than females. And so it's kind of the breaks, like shows, once it develops, you start to have a little bit better judgment, is maybe a little more cautious.

And that's why an adolescent males, they're not so cautious because that part of the brain is not fully developed yet. So it plays a lot of different functions and roles, but it's super critical. And yeah, we do target that with TMS, but there's some other locations that we can also target. There's the singular gyrus that also has the depressions and an OCD circuit.

And it takes a specialized coil to hit that, but only brainsway is the only one that's really developed at. And I use a brainsway device. But again, we're starting to find different circuits of the brain that do different functions. And the science just keeps marching forward. So that's the exciting part. Now, schizophrenia is a big deal. I have a, sadly, I have a good friend on Facebook that I've known for probably 10 years. He's a Silicon Valley guy.

And his daughter has schizophrenia. She's literally gone off her meds and walking the streets and disappeared and they're trying to find her. And they found her clothes. So they're even more worried now about where she's at. And I've had employees that have had family members of those schizophrenia and heard the stories. And it's heartbreaking in a lot of cases. Is this pretty helpful or some of the work? I notice there's a schizophrenia chapter in the book here, Chapter 6.

There is. You know, TMS hasn't been shown to be helpful to schizophrenia that could change. but still medications. And we treat what we call the positive symptoms. That's the psychosis piece. And even that, we don't always fully control it, but we often dampen it or even get rid of the psychosis. It's the negative symptoms of schizophrenia that are notoriously difficult to treat.

That's that the lack of motivation, the lack of sex drive, the lack of social abilities. They become really just, that's the disabling part of it. until scientists can figure that piece out, we're still going to struggle with it. But without medicines and leaving them psychotic, it's even worse. So we partially treat it enough to kind of keep them hopefully off the streets. But it takes a village for that to happen. Oh, it does. We call it a downward drift.

The more they go off their meds, the more they drift downward, and they're almost inevitably homeless at that point. So it's very, very difficult on families. but the right support, the right medicines, a lot of times that can be avoided. Yeah. It's great to have something for us to deal with the prefrontal cortex. You know, I was reading how my medication would slow it down. And this is great for people that they have like severe depression and other issues that have not

responded to medication. Is that correct? Correct. Yeah, that was from the Mayo Clinic. You know, I mean, back in the day, what they would do to fix stuff like this is the frontal lobotomy and that's what my psychiatrist still says I need. That's such a good idea. We've kind of moved away from that.

We used to do ice baths. We used to do all kinds of things. I worked at a state hospital and I was a resident in the 1980s in Iowa. And it was like a turn-of-the-century facility and they had different buildings on campus, huge sprawling campus. And they had these tunnels underneath to connect the different buildings. And at night, I'd have to go down to these dark tunnels. and you can see where they used to have chains on the wall.

They chain them to the wall. Oh, my God. They had one of the floors on the top floors where they didn't use them anymore. It's kind of like a museum. You could see these ice baths they would use and these things they would use very barbaric, right? But they didn't have any medicines. They didn't have anything to do. You know, they did exorcisms.

They did whatever they thought they could do because they were, they really were struggling with really nothing at their disposal. other than taking them out of society. Yeah. It's really all they could do. And, you know, trying to keep them from injuring themselves. You know, my sister was born in three-o palsy, and she would hit herself in the head over and over again. You'd have to get her stop.

The, you know, one of the frontal lobes, that frontal prefrontal coreplex, that really seems to affect a lot of people. And so I'm glad there's something like this. So they come in the office. Now, these are people who can't tell them medicine, in for this. They have to show up to an office that's localized, whether it's your office in Idaho or maybe other offices they can find around the world. Yeah, they have to get to a machine or people who do

TMS. There's several forms of TMS. There's brains waste deep TMS. That's what I do. I find it to be research has shown it to be a little bit more reliable because it doesn't just the target as much. And then there's figure eight coils which have been around forever. And so you can you can Google it, you know, TMS and your area, look for providers. If you go to Brainsway site, they have, you put your zip code in and it'll find you a brainsway provider. And I think that they are a very good, a good place to start for sure. I'm going to start referring stupid people to you on, I found on Twitter.

You're asked, that's a big ask right there. That's a big ask. Yeah, it's, you got to have a brain first, folks. Anyway, does, now tell us about this magnet. You've mentioned the coiled magnet a few times. Can I just take five refrigerator magnets and kind of just put them up against my head and go to sleep for a while without work? They're not like the traditional magnet. They're a type of electrical magnet.

And they use a certain geometry configuration because you don't want just this broad, wide magnetic field because then you're just using a shotgun. Because with TMS, it targets specific areas of the brain. So it has to be a fairly narrow beam. anybody can actually build a figure eight coils unpatented. So you could build that in your garage if you knew what you're doing. And you could use it. You just wouldn't know what you're doing. I wouldn't recommend it.

Now, the brain sway device is not a figure eight coil. It is patented. They use these H coils inside of the helmet. So you can't build those without violating a patent violation. And you probably wouldn't know what you're doing anyways. I don't know what I'm doing. It comes to those.

But the figure eight coils technically you could build legally. that just wouldn't know how to use them. Yeah. All right. So fridge bandings are out then. Go to professional peoples. Yeah. Yeah, it's magnetic fields and, you know, the brain runs on electricity, right?

It's an electrochemical organ. Ah, if you have one on Twitter. So how do people, how can people onboard with you? How can they reach out? How can they find out more? And then maybe if they can work with you and your services, handshake. I know my area or whatever, obviously they can contact my, they can go to my website, new me, NU-M-E-M-E-TMS.com, and there's, you can do a self-assessment, you can reach out to us

through an email. There's a phone number on there. They could call us. If you want more information on my book, you go to David Kettauthor.com. And at the bottom, there's also a way to email me through that. So there's several ways to contact me. I certainly can't give up my private phone number and have it to not be called as long as times. What?

Yeah, that happens. I get a ton of spam calls, so I wouldn't even be able to discern who's real and who is real. I don't even, I can't even answer the phone anymore unless it's somebody close to me. You know, oh, my mom, I know her. Force people to leave messages, so that way I can sort it out. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, I get all these spam calls with AT&T, and I'll even say, we're pretty sure this is

a spam call. Do you want to accept it? And you're like, if you're sure it's a spam call, why am I getting the ring? What's going on here? I thought, you know. I get that, I get that too. I don't know why. We had a telemarking agency with a mortgage company in the 2000s, in the late 1900s,

and they invoke that, what was that, do not call list? And I'm like, how are these people still allowed to call me? Like, after 26 years. Anyway, what's it? I know. I get that. That's a different show. That's a different show.

That affects my mental health, that's for sure. I might need some of that electrical therapy. You know, it's funny, you never take their call and you always send it to spam and they'll just keep calling from other numbers. And it's like, how many times do you have to call with me not answering to determine that I'm savvy on to you as to what your game is? But they're using robocallers, so they don't care. They just, they just, the machines are doing it, not them. Yeah. That's the problem.

So as we go out, give people a final pitch out to pick up your book and all that good stuff. yeah i do i think it's it's very much it resonates with people i want anybody to read it because it helps you understand it unless far far better it helps you understand anybody you know everybody you know everybody's touched by it so it's i think i just really feel like you'd get a lot out of it and i think you you know people it gives you also a language on how to talk to each other that's really important yeah yeah the evidently bud you know give it out for christmas and Thanksgiving. That way when you go to your dinners there at Thanksgiving and

Christmas, you know, maybe they'll be better. We have Easter coming up and we have St. St. Patrick's Day, you know. You know, I tried to allow electric shock therapy when I was a kid, but it was mostly of me stuck in a fork I licked into a socket, and that did not

make me smarter. So that where the curly hair came from? Pretty much, yeah, pretty much. That's why we're at. So, good setup there. But yeah, folks, yeah, that didn't work. So just to Word of the Wise. I also sucked on those tasty lead paint chips. My grandpa had me peel off the house. Yeah, those are really nice. Right now my audience is going. Everything's starting to come together and make sense here after 16 years. Dr. David Kent, thank you for being on the show. We really

appreciate it. I appreciate it. Man on. Thank you. And thanks, thanks for tuning in. Order up his book. Why Me? The Brain on Tilt out November 3rd, 2025. And yeah, yeah, maybe we should rename the the podcast that the brain on tilt podcast i know do you have a podcast yet doctor i do not it's a lot of work to do a podcast i can't catch up to someone like you you've done it for 16 years how could i catch up to that i did do a radio show five months i had i hosted a radio show for a while but it was so much work i said i just can't do it if ever get hit by a bus or lightning you'll you'll be able to catch up eventually but no i yeah that the brain on tilt that would be great podcast name that's all i'm same. It could be. Yeah, good title. The Brain on, welcome to the Brain on Tilt. You get that guy from

Let's Get Ready to Rumble to do your intro. But I would need your voice to do that. I don't think I got that. Let's get ready. I don't want to get sued. Anyway, thank you, Doc, for coming the show. You're welcome. Thanks for having me on. Thank you. Thanks for guys for tuning in. Go to goodreads.com, Fortress, Christmast, LinkedIn.com, Facebook.com, so it says Chrisvoss and YouTube.com. So where it says, Chrisvost. Chris Foss. And remember, if you don't refer your family, friends, and relatives, get to sign up with the show, I'll haunt you in your nightmares. Threatening your audience always works, Chris. Anyway, guys, we certainly appreciate you guys. Thanks for two to you. Be good at each other. Stay safe. We'll see you next time. Bye-bye. You've been listening to the most amazing, intelligent podcast ever made to improve your brain and your life. Warning. consuming too much of the Chris Walsh Show podcast can lead to people thinking you're smarter, younger, and irresistible sexy. Consume in regularly moderated amounts. Consult the doctor for any resulting brain bleed.

All right, Doc. Good job.