The Fighter & The Kid - Mike Catherwood's Farm Life Is INSANE... And These Animal Stories Will Shock You | TFATK Ep. 1207

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

Mike Catherwood joins The Fighter and The Kid for one of the most entertaining conversations yet, diving into how moving to rural Texas completely changed his perspective on life. From training jiu-jitsu and adapting to farm life to raising livestock, protecting animals from predators, and sharing unbelievable encounters with mountain lions, crocodiles, and wildlife, this episode is packed with incredible stories.Mike Catherwood and Bryan Callen also discuss why real-world experience beats theory, the realities of building a farm from scratch, dangerous animal encounters around the world, survival instincts, the appeal of rural living, and why some of nature's deadliest creatures deserve far more respect than most people realize.If you enjoy conversations about MMA, hunting, the outdoors, wildlife, self-reliance, Texas living, and hilarious storytelling, this is an episode you won't want to miss.Shopify - Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at https://www.shopify.com/fighterO'Reilly - https://oreillyauto.com/FIGHTERSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is really the fighter and the kid. Mike Catherwood, farmer. Yes. Fighter, lover, man. Estetician. How is Texas? First of all, I apologize for my scuffed up face. Yeah, well, I hear Shane Steiner gave it to you.

Shane Steiner gave me, he gave me the business. Yeah. I talk a lot of trash every single morning, and he gives me the business. and he gives me the business. Well, you're being Calin. I'm being Calin. He'll teach me stuff and I'm like, I got it now. But then he shuts it down and it doesn't work on him.

Yeah. It bothers me. But Shane, I like Shane Steiner a lot. Yeah. He is a lot, he'll shut it down. But like you said, he'll shut it down. It's very nice. But he won't beat you.

No, he won't beat me up. He won't take your soul. Sometimes it beats me up when I'm a little too cocky and I'm talking too much. But overall, he's very, nice. You know, he's, the problem is he's so much fucking stronger than I am. Yes, he is. That's an issue. Yeah. He's just a, he's just

a little tank. Well, I've said before because, like, I'm not a big guy. And, um, I've always said like there, you go in and I'm, I'm a purple belt, but I would not, I'm not like a world beater, but I know what I'm doing. And I'm in any, I've trained it, been lucky enough to train.

Not because I'm so cool, but I've really had very close personal relationships with people who win ADCC. like numerous people. And my wife's sister married a Brazilian black belt from Brazil. He got his black belt in Brazil from Dracolino and like really high level. And they live in Hawaii. So when I go visit them, he takes me to all these cool academies. So I've trained at really high level places. And I can hold my own. And I won't embarrass myself. But I've always said, I don't mind training with someone who's just so much better than me because you realize like this man's been training.

takes it much more seriously than I do. And I don't mind training with someone who's shittier than me, but is just a great athlete, far stronger, far faster than I'm. I really don't like training with people who are both. When they're both, you're like, well, then you, it's really emasculating when someone, you know, training with Tim, it's really emasculating, you know? With Tim, it's, with Tim or Shane, it's downright emasculating. Yeah.

And then I'm like, and I work so hard. And then I go, and then I'll be like, what the fuck? And then I'll see them do that to somebody who teaches jujitsu or who's an instructor or who's been doing it forever. And I'm like, you're doing the same shit. He's making the same noise as I am. I've seen celebrities come in. And that doesn't necessarily mean pro fighters.

But like celebrities, people who are well known. And I won't name names because it's like, it's not, I don't think it's appropriate. But really cool people that come in. You're like, whoa, I can't believe they're training here. And they'll, I'll roll with them. and they twist me up in knots and you're like, thanks, man, thanks for the role. And then after class, Tim rolls with him and he fucks them up.

And you're like, oh, well, there's, this is a different thing. Yeah. And he does that smash style where it's like not going to be pretty. He's not doing a bunch of stuff. He's just going to. It really helped me because, yes, he's all about that. He's all about like modern kind of no-gee style where it's like top smash, smash, smash.

Yeah. That Carlson Gracie, old school kind of stuff. And I really appreciate that. because I transitioned from training at Crohn's Academy in L.A. And what is that like? Is that just like, it's amazing. It's, it's, it's pure jiu-titsu, right? It's like, yeah.

They know, you can't even wear blue geese, white geese only, only Crohn or Hickson geese. Like, no, you can't, there's no, like. There's a real discipline. That you have to, it has to fit perfectly. I'm not talking, like, like, it has to fit perfectly like a tournament, but just for everyday training. That's that Japanese influence, too. Yes, yes. It's very, and I like people, because of how his MMA career has panned out,

people love to get online and talk shit about Crone. Crohn's the best. He's such a nice guy. It's also dumb to do that to him. Hey, hey, at least the guy's getting in the cage, okay? At least the guy's doing something. Yes, okay, maybe MMA is a different thing than Jiu-Jitsu, but it doesn't make him less of an artist.

It doesn't make him less of a warrior. And there's an appreciation for like a difference. different stuff. There's a reason why it's called martial arts and not to get too heady, but it's in, it's an art form. It's not plug and play. It's not objective, you know, X plus Y equals Z. People have their own interpretations of. And I always thought that that was kind of what made it beautiful. And seeing that transition, Hickson and Krohn both were very much into kind of very old fashioned and not basic, not shitty, but very old fashioned, fundamental, play off your back. Sure, work on control from the top game, but it's all about.

transitioning to then a submission, but when you're on your back, guard game, very, you know, and spend hours and hours and hours working on like really fundamental shit, like where your hips are positioned when you're in guard, like that kind of stuff. And so to transition to then moving to Texas and training at Humaita with Tim, it was a, it was a real difficult transition, but it, I loved it because it was like a whole new world. Like, yeah, okay, it may not be the most technically sound, but this is what happens when I'm in your guard and then I put my forehead in your face. But I like that as an overall philosophy in life, which is that you can spend your life

reading about something, watching something, becoming expert and how to predict what's going to happen, but it doesn't make you good at that something until you do it in real time. Like everything in life is that way. You will not develop real understanding unless you're in the arena. You won't. You can watch things, but you're going to be a man of theory. The only way to really, like, it's like, it's kind of like when you see people who get their comparative literature degree.

And they know a lot about, they've read all the books. Yeah. But it never compares. They always die a little bit. They're not writers. When they meet a real writer. They're not writers. Yeah.

Because writing is so hard. Like when you're coming, creating something out of nothing, winning, like, like, a division, winning a title. Well, I don't know if anything, certainly in entertainment, is there anything where that's more true than stand-up?

Dude. I've met some of the funniest fucking people, but if you don't, it takes a decade to you can even really get your bearings on stage. It's a different thing.

So true, man. I remember, dude, I remember getting on the radio for the first time. And I had already been working at a really, really successful morning show

at K Rock in L.A. with this morning, number one rated morning show. The guys have been doing it for 20, 30 years successfully. And I had been saying funny things in the periphery. I had been writing funny bits.

I've been doing voice bits. And I had built a level of success where people who were really good at it were saying, that was funny. That was awesome. The fans were like, that was great. That man on the street bit you did was good.

But then you get on the radio and it's like, oh, this is different. It's different. It's a bummer. that radio's dead in a way. Because that shit was so fun because everybody in the city would be, oh, Kevin and Bean

or love, love... Love line. And then, like, and then also there was the time, and I didn't grow up listening to O&A, and then I moved to the East Coast when I was 19 years old, and I had this whole new world open, and they were so perfect for that culture of the Northeast.

Like, they were, they had it, you know? And it opened my... And then you go down to Florida, and there was guys like Ron Bennington, and and Bubba and like everyone had their own cultural thing. It was very cool. There was very, and you know, the old traditional radio is absolutely,

it's a dying thing. But it doesn't mean, it's kind of like TV. Yeah, network TV is a, it's not the same thing as it once was. It doesn't mean like there's never been better TV shows. True.

And there's never been a more of a wealth of better broadcasters. So I go, you know, just like you were saying, you could sit there and whine about it. or you can just take your lumps like a man and look at how things are changing. I interviewed a woman who's a friend of a friend, and she's trying to take Lauren Bobert's seat in Colorado, Republican.

And when she was talking about what she wants to do and the problems with the world, I thought to myself, I think we could be having this conversation in 1863 in Lexington, Kentucky. It'd be the same conversation. Some things are like, yeah, like some of the problems, some of the shit that goes on, you know at least shit talking people have this weird notion people I guess not like I'm some fancy historian but people have this notion of the old days that politicians dealt with each other with great integrity yeah right I was like do you understand the mudraking that like you going back to Abraham Lincoln they made them they fucking awful turn them into a chimpanzee it was

terrible the shit talking they did I mean and really horrible that's right um I don't think I I think it's a very valid point. Outside of, you know, smartphones, not much has changed in that arena. People have, you know, it's always been people. And that's not to say it's a bad or a good thing. But these people who rise to the top, especially in federal government, these have preposterous egos. And they're willing to go through this crucial.

Are you even involved in that in your mind? Or are you on the farm? What are you doing with your days? I am, Chin and I were just talking about it before the, I said, I don't understand how people, can live happily without being completely indifferent to like 99.9% of shit. Yeah. Like I really care how my daughter's doing and my wife's doing.

Yeah. And I would like to be able to make a living and support them. And outside of that, like I go, oh, okay. I mean, how, how, how, uh, I'm not going to get wrapped up in shit. Like, I don't know. Are you still, are you actually working the farm? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

You do. Mm-hmm. So what's your day like? And it, remember, I had this fantasy of, we talked, I called Mike, and I was like, I want some Jersey cows. I want some miniature jersey cows. I want my kids drink milk. Like it's just, they go through milk like it's crazy.

But I buy the grass fed shit. Yeah. And I want my, I want my, you know, I want some Jersey cow raw milk. Yeah, you can do it. I got to milk them twice a day. I got to breed them once a year. No, I'll be very honest. I don't know all that much about cow, like bovine husbandry because I don't have cows.

But it's work. It is absolutely work. But it's, listen. The bigger, the mammal and mammals is a different level of work. And then the bigger the one, it actually gets easier. Because the bigger, the smarter, you got to take a lot of care of a horse. But horses are very smart. And horses, they're just not that far down the food chain from us.

And they really have a lot of instinctive and a lot of intellectual power. So you keep them fed. you make sure you take care of their feet and their shoes and the whole thing. But you can live your life. There are animals where like, oh, don't think you can do that as a hobby. That's your fucking life. You know what I'm saying? Like that is a cow that way?

I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't. They do. I think Jersey, see how often a Jersey cow has to be milked. See how often a jersey, a miniature jersey cow has to be milked. It doesn't, it did surprise me because.

one of the cool things that I've had happened to me, and it's really been something that I don't take for granted, is that I moved to a farm when I moved to Texas, and then I moved again to a much more rural environment where all of my neighbors are farmers too. Okay. And now I have a real community of farmers. And like, my next door neighbor does competitive, like, dog racing courses.

Dog racing. Like not dog racing Like, like obstacle course. Like yeah, yeah, you see on like ESPN Ocho. Yeah. How far away is that? From here, how long is it taking? 30 minutes.

Really? Yeah. But you're 30 minutes. So you're a total of what an hour outside of downtown Austin? No, I'm closer to Austin than I was in my old place. Really? How far away are you from Austin downtown? 20, 30 minutes?

What? Yeah. Hold on a farm and you're only 30 minutes outside of Austin. I'm, I'm, yeah, I don't mind say. I live in dripping spring. and it's very rural and it's very small town. And it's, you know, with now four o'clock, 4.30 on a Friday, it's probably 45 minutes to an hour to Austin.

But took my daughter into, she wanted to buy some swimsuit for her sleepaway camp. And we went into like cool part of Austin. It was like 25, 30 minutes, something like that. Really? Yeah. 25, 30 minutes? Yeah. That's so awesome.

You can get your farm now, right? Yeah, I walk. I just want to get to downtown smelling like the farm. You know what I mean? My hands are all callous from pulling on them udders. You could do it. You really could. Shab, no way.

And let me tell you why. Because Shab's not going to change his clothes three times a day. And he's not going to be happy about like if he had some fendi boots on. And he has to go pick up chicken shit. Yes. But I think you could roll in to do a pod with mud and shit all over your arms and in dirty boots on and stuff and be cool.

Yeah. I could see that. I could do that too. There is a little bit to to milking a cow. Honestly, I would recommend it because it has been, it has given so much to my life.

Only if your lady and your children are on board. Because if they're not and it's on you, call it, you're going to get divorced. You're going to, your career is going to,

you'll have no chance of formulate it. the career of your dreams like that's all you need to have it it needs to be a team thing I need to make more money and have someone tend to the farm and then I hang out on the porch yeah that's that is a dream that is a dream yeah to have like a my own team milk my cows yeah someone grow my veggies I'm hungry I'm going to have a salad sure it's not going to be Javier I was not going to be Jose has I made him a white angloist accent well done William right Brian's running a farm in Kentucky.

Well, I'm in England, actually. I'm actually in England, yes. Let's do this as I eat at page. Rehnquist, William, Richard. But, like, also, your appetite can't be that. Like, we went overboard. You guys did?

Right out of the gate, we got, like, 30 chickens and five goats and two donkeys. What do you do with all the fucking eggs? That's the problem. You've got to give them away, right? Eat them. Eat them and give them away, yeah. But that's seasonal. See, the eggs is the cool thing about the, okay,

so I was getting back to like a community. I don't have cows, but I drink raw milk all the time because I walk down to my neighbors with a basket full of eggs and he hands me a couple gallons of raw milk. And then after that, like I have a, oh my, I'm out of goat milk or I'm not even.

These are your donkeys? Those are my babies. Yeah, that's Ozzie and Sharon. And look at them eating the old watermelon. It's good for the summertime. And they're just, look at him, just being all dangerous. about it. Goats stink, right?

Not so bad. You got a lot of goats. Not so bad. Wait, go up for a sec. Could keep going? Is that you, dude? Oh, that's Arnold. Because that's me right there. Yeah, that's good. But I was like, well, that's not so bad. Not bad at all. But I was like that, that was like, if that's, I wish that was me. Yeah. Peak Arnold was pretty fucking impressive. Yeah, he was. Yeah, but it's a goats don't, honestly, I always, my, my barometer is, is it better or worse than like the average

pet dog and I don't think goats are any. Look at that. That goats on that donkey's back. That's Carmen and she loves to ride on Ozzy. Really? Yeah. So she just gets on the donkeys back. Yeah. And they play with each other. Oh yeah. And the donkeys just kind of deal. Yeah. They, they, you know, you, you, you do run a risk when you, when you mix, um, that's Imogen. It's a cute. So they just get on, they get on the donkeys back. And they cuddle and they fall asleep together. It's really, it's really, really cute. But you have and you have these large dogs that protect. I do. I do. I have a lot

too now. I have a I have I have I, I, I used to have six livestock dogs. Now I have four. And, uh, they are amazing and they're also their own peculiar, at times. They're their own peculiar dogs. They do not, it's not like having

a fun pet golden retriever. Why? Because they don't, they don't, they don't, you can't train them. It's all, They're not that into people. There's an amazing benefit. I've watched them rip apart a coyote. I mean, vicious, vicious. I've watched them gut and then just, and I've watched them,

I'll come out and they'll be like gnawing on a spine. And I'm like, oh, damn. Like they like snacking on it on like a deer spine. I'm like, oh, wow. So they're that. But at the same time, zero, well, they hunt down here. Zero worries of attacking a child. Right.

They're not going to, your neighbor comes over, your buddy. It's just not there. Callan comes to visit and they go, they'll bark and they see a stranger. They're not going to attack you. Yeah. They're not. It's zero chances that can happen. But I could have these dogs for 10 years and they're my best buddies in the world.

I reach down while they're eating their, their meat and stuff. It's going to bite my head. There's no training them. There's no sit rollover. Really? Really. Like everything's instinctive. Like they see prey animals and they go, oh, you're my thing.

I protect you. They'll kill a deer. They'll run a deer down. I don't know if they'll kill one as much as deer die a lot and they'll eat it. They'll find, because they, like, right now with the puppies, they're like eight months old, my two smaller livestock dogs.

It's been a real, like it's really been a bane to my existence is that they, they're addicted to fucking porcupines. What? They just see them. And I don't, and I don't think the vet even says, like,

I'm not sure they're eating them. They just want to, it just looks so fun to play with. So they fuck with por- I didn't know first of all I don't know why I'm naive We had porcupines around here Yeah a bunch

Really? Yeah they live The reason you're naive to it's not naive It's not naive It's it porcupines are nocturnal And they live in trees mostly And then they come out at night When it's dark

Porcupines live in trees Yeah No shit Yeah I didn't know that either I have a really high level Hunter friend of mine And then they come out at night Yeah

And and And the dog see this chew toy Oh my God And then they wake up with a beard They wake up with a beard They wake up with a beard full of needles Like literally their whole face is fucking needles. And I'm like, oh, dude. And they're in so much pain. I don't know if they are

as much as they would be if I let it sit. So then I try to take them out of my own. I can't. Because it's in their nose, in their mouth. So I have to take them to the vet and have them put to sleep so they can pull them out. And they're in their mouth. And there's no like, like even look. Yeah. That's what you deal with? It looked, you go, well, this is a joke. There's someone's pranking me. This is, there's no way you have that many needles. all over their paws. Oh my God. That is so awful.

And then they look at you like it's a normal day. Like, hey, where's breakfast? And you're like, wait, wait. Man, there was a, there was a crocodile that tried to bite down on a giant porcupine in Africa. And that thing was just like, he was snapping his jaw. He was like, fuck, that hurts. It's, think about how nature, it's. You're trying to eat a cactus, dude.

I, I, moving to. farm life and living a rural life of like interacting with a lot more animals and dealing with life and death in that way and taking on that responsibility has made me way more capable of believing we live in a simulation than I always used to roll my eyes at all these people with their but like when you I was driving here and I got out to open the gate to the farm and I got back to my truck and I'm driving and I was like what is that I don't want to I got it was arm dillo and I walk out I was like hey dude and I'm like there's a this animal with armor.

Like you, there's armor animals that live their life like that. Mike, I go through the same shit. It's crazy. You know, I pet a cheetah. And there was a cheetah in South Africa that was in the wild,

but you could pet it. So weird, it had a collar. And the thing would just, and it was so, it just liked being pet. Yeah. But it was so selfish,

it was just, and it was so genetically programmed to do one thing, which is, see prey, run a straight line, take it down. And you don't... It's programmed, dude. You don't realize, like, how driven and dead set and how effective they would be, right?

Well, so animals are a genetic program. They're, like, programmed. It's not like animals change. It's not like the cheetah's going to invent calculus. Yeah. That cheetah's going to be the same, and it's great, great grandchild's going to be the same. It's just, it's programmed to be that, right?

and you're right it's like it feels like somebody created this stuff on a board the variety it's so beautiful and abstract and wild like it just it's so wild that there's animals that have this completely different

I mean it's just so crazy it goes beyond evolution right evolution makes sense within the context of a larger umbrella that we can't explain which is the variety the entire ecosystem

in the cornucopia of colors and shapes and drives and just different creatures. And then you get to us. And it's like, wow, you know. Even, and you don't have to get that exotic. Nate, a couple farms down the day, there's a couple farms around me that have cows. There's only one that I see, maybe there's others, but there's one that I see where he has real Texas longhorns, like the, you know, the horns that are just. And I'm driving and I see.

One's kind of near the fence. I go, damn, I pull over. I was like, hey, bud, how are you? And he looks at me and I'm like, that has to be eight feet. I mean, really, it's like, if I'm guessing, it's seven feet, eight feet. It's astonishing. And I'm thinking to myself, what? How along the way did that develop where you're like, I'm just going to have.

And so I go online and I'm reading, I guess I see, I feel like that would be more of a burden than a, like, you're not ramming anything with it. Turns out it's for like street sweeping. You know, like if you were predators around your kid, and they could just take out stuff in a large swath. And I go, oh, that makes sense. And then I started thinking, what if that happened to me, how fucked I'd be, if I was standing next to like the Texas Longhorn mascot and just decided to. Oh, yeah.

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there's a, um, exotic wildlife kind of place. It's in between us and Marble Falls. I don't know what I was, but it's in that part of Texas for anyone who's in kind of hill country area. And it's amazing. But I went to take my daughter to camp and we were coming back and I parked,

I didn't go in, but I parked and kind of walked around a little bit. And they had rhinos there. And you have an idea, right? Of rhinos. Yeah. Then you see one.

Oh, and you're like, Oh, that's, that's a dinosaur. Yeah. Like, I think of like animals, certain animals. It's a tank, bro. Like, and there's been two animals where I said, that's not at all how I, where I, I, I saw them and I had an idea in my head and it was, I was wrong. And it was rhinos and a moose.

I thought a moose was like a, like a, like a yoked out deer. No. And you're like, oh, oh, oh, yo. No, very. Yo, that is a big. Yes. Yoked out. Monster.

It's a month. And by the way, we'll kill you. Dangerous as shit. We'll kill you. Here's another thing. We'll stomp you to death. I'm not the crocodile hunter.

I'm not like this expert on nature. But all you guys out there who are, I think I could take that guy if push came to shove or I just see red whenever. The same thing travels over to animals. All, like, I'll listen to up to like coyote.

Because I really think if you know what you're doing it and you're not a, you could probably, maybe a pack would be rough, but you could, you could fuck a coyote. But after that, you're losing. It's not true. You're going to lose. Here's the thing about a coyote even. Like, I don't know if you've ever worn a sleeve and had a 65 pound Malinois bite down on that sleeve. I've never done the dog training sleep. Okay, well, you need to because, and my buddy who's a bodybuilder, my buddy, my buddy,

Jimins, big arms. He had that, yeah, and he had that dog bite down. And he got quiet on the way back and go, what's up? He goes, it's just depressing. It's disconcerting. Yeah. How strong that bite was. Because when you wear a sleeve even, you realize if that 65-pound dog bit down on your arm,

what would happen is your arm would shut off. You would break your bones, yeah. It would shut down because the nerve shut down. It's different. See how much a big male coyote way. But see, I was about to say, That's a Malinua. Coyotes are not that.

But they're not like that. But they're wild animals and they have strong bites is all I'm saying, right? I'm just saying, I'm not saying I can take a coyote. I'm saying, well, you could, you could. Up to coyote, I will tolerate your argument. Yes. Anything above, you start getting to wolf. I hear you. No, no, no, no, no.

You're not winning. No, correct. Now, a large male, a coyote is 45 to 65 pounds. That's a big animal. It's a big animal, but I think if I take its back and having come, You know, I come face to face with coyotes pretty, with relative frequency. Yeah. I do think as long, if it got straight to my neck, I'm done.

But I think once I get on its back, he's, you're kind of fucked. Yeah. But anything above that, you're no, no, you're not winning. No. You're not winning. No. Forget there. Not a 130-pound mountain line.

No. You're dying immediately. Well, I came face to face with mountain line. You did. And I'm really, turn that down a little. I'm really lucky that I, but I used to. So I, I, there was, I have a friend named Taylor and he's a real cowboys from Montana and he moved to L.A. and he used to do up it, you know, by the Hollywood sign, the Sunset Ranch.

Yeah. He used to do the guided tours on the, you could get a horseback ride. It's really quite beautiful by Griffith Park and the Hollywood sign. Yeah. You get on horses and you take a tour of like the hills of L.A. Yep. So he became a cop and he was in the academy and it's a pretty prolonged. period of time and he asked me nicely. He's like, hey, would you do me a solid and take care of my

horses while I'm in the academy? I know you're very into it. And I said, of course I would. And I actually, it would be great for me. I'd love to do that. I was just doing morning radio at the time is before Loveline. And so I would go after the radio show and I would go take care of these horses. It was really great. And he gave me a kind of a crash course on what to do to really take care of horses, right so I'm getting to know the people while he's in the academy and I'm taking care of these horses and I'm taking them out in the arenas and I'm cleaning their shoes and I'm doing the whole thing washing them and I'm getting to befriend kind of the people who work there on a permanent basis and I would go ride on my own after sundown and they said hey don't don't do that I don't why

they said I was like a liability thing they're like no no no we don't care go right on your own all you want. But once it gets to a certain time, you're going to, there's a good chance you'll come into contact with a mountain line. And that's not going to be good for you. Is that what they said? And there's a good chance you'll come into contact. Out in that part of Southern California, yeah, there was a couple and they did, like, you see him on the news, like Mountain Lion Tim has gotten loose and it. Yeah. And it's walking through Glendale. And so there were, there are mountain lines up there. And if you're on a horse with a mountain lion, you're, that's get your, you're, fuck because they might attack the horse so and the horse will get spooked understandably it's like it's not

going to work out for you even if you if you luck out a horse is going to go holy shit that's a mountain even if you luck out and you don't get bit by a mountain lion it's not going to be good so just don't do that right so a couple of weeks i go fine yeah i'll listen to people who know what they're talking about it's a couple weeks go by and i there there was a day where like i was back to back to back with stuff that obligations and i didn't get to the horses and it would be like two days had gone by I'm like, I can't do that. So I go up there, it's like four or five in the afternoon. I drive up to the Hollywood Hills.

Of course, there's insane traffic. And I get up, and now it's like 6.6.30. And I'm like, they said that, but, you know. So I get up. You're going to take your chances. I get on Molly and I walk her out and I ride up there. And so in these conversations we've had. How good of a horseback rider are you?

Better than the average guy, but I'm not up. I couldn't. I went to the rodeo a couple weeks ago. I'm not like them. I rolled with a bull rider. today. Yeah, you don't do that. Yeah. That's a, that's a tough man. Yeah. Was it Shane's brother? No, no, he doesn't know Jiu-Jitsu. He's just a kid, but it was fun. But it was fun. Yeah, but that's like saying, yeah, I, I rolled with an NFL football player. I mean, he doesn't know what he's doing, but he's new. Well, Bull Rye is an NFL football player. Bull Riding is not going to help you with Jiu-Tzu. No, but it's going to help you with being a tough son of a gun. Yeah, if he learns, but again, it's a lot. Compared to our candy asses?

It's just funny. It's a language, so even, so, so he might be young and he might be able to, bull rider, but if he doesn't know Jiu-Jitsu. You know, you can, he's gonna be, yeah, he's gonna be some, no, for sure. But I'm saying,

but, but what I'm saying is that, yeah, there's some people that grew up wrangling cattle like this kid did. Yeah. And that's a whole different thing. Yeah.

So I, in the, in these conversations I've had where they're like, don't write at night, the, one of the, the head form in there, kind of the main guy,

this Mexican guy, this tall, but he's crussy, tough son of a guy. He'd say, hey, like a couple weeks before that, he's like, why are you wearing your house slippers?

Why are you wear a house slippers going to ride horses? And I had slip on vans. I'm like, they're not fucking house slippers. These are fine quality canvas tennis shoes. And he's like, you're going to break your foot. You wear those fucking house slippers. Sure enough, late that day, four steps on my foot. And I'm like, you said a bit.

Anyway, he also, he's like, hey, if you see a mountain lion, jump on your horse. I go, you got to jump off your horse. You got, you're out of your mind. He's like, no, listen, I'm not, I'm not missing. it sees you as one creature. If you jump up, it will confuse it and scare it. It might run away. Because you don't want to be on a horse and it sees you as one.

Oh, so I go. Okay. So he goes, mountain line goes, that's a centaur. Yeah. That's some weird guy playing magic tricks on me. And I go half-heartedly, I'm half believing him. But now I'm riding and I turn the corner and, you know, it's not three feet away. It's 30 feet, 40 feet away from me.

There's this mountain line. It's just, it's not. growling or looking, it's just staring at me. And I'm like, oh, fuck. It's way bigger than I thought it would be. I thought it was going to be like a big dog. No. And it's, and I'm scared. I'm genuinely, horse goes like this. So this is all happening in seconds, but I think, okay, he said jump off. And I had a little boot knife and everything. I go and I go, okay. And I'm reaching for it. I feel it. And I go, ah, ah, ah, I think kind of looks at me. It turns around, walks away all slowly. Like, ah, fuck that. Yeah. But that was my. And I'm a lot. And I was my. And

And I, and they have, they have safaris in Africa where you get on horse back and you go through and see lions and all that. And in one of the safaris, some of the horses have scratch marks on their ass from a lion as they're running away. And it's like, hold on. I know another group they were on, they were on, in a river on the Zambezi or whatever the fuck it was. And they're boat capsized. Oh. And the guy said, grab the boat. grab the boat, grab the boat.

Get on the boat. So you get on the boat because the crocodiles are like, okay, you're part of a bigger thing, so I'm not going to do it. But they come into the water and you've got to get on that fucking boat. Jesus. And also...

That is scary. Everything I said about like, you're not going to win. There's a certain animal where you cap off and you're like, you're not going to win that by. You're really, once you're in water, you're really fucked. That's really, you're really not going to win.

You think? It's like I watched this, this dude went, he was German or something and he went to this fishing village in the Philippines, okay? And in those fishing villages in the Philippines, well, that's where they got the largest crocodile ever, ever, ever in captivity. It was name was Long, or some shit. And it was 22 feet.

She gave me a hand job the other day. And it was like 2,000 pounds, yeah, huge saltwater crocodile. And it had killed a bunch of villagers, some people, they grabbed them from their boat. So they had to remove it. Okay. So it was that area. Okay. Let's just start there.

It was that area. And he's got plenty of friends who are that big out there. Okay. Now here's the problem. Chin, bring up like Philippines fishing village crocodiles. The water is yellow. You can't see through it. Oh, fuck that.

The water's yellow or green. And you're not seeing through it. Now, now it gets better. the crocodiles are right there they're right there there now that's what they get okay that's what they capture what's a dinosaur oh yeah a dinosaur now they get those right there now they're they're there and we don't know where they are but they're there now see that that fishing village yeah living with the world's largest crocodiles right there you see that guy yeah there you go yeah oh my god okay see that water and see that they get in that water and see that they get in that water

And meanwhile, she goes, yeah, we saw a crocodile, one of those big ones right over there. She's pointing. And it's like, well, that's the monsters that are in there, okay? And they live in the water. And they swim in the water. And he goes, how are you getting in the water? He goes, well, they don't believe if you don't bother them, they won't bother us. They won't bother you.

They're right there. They're right there. Meanwhile. And guess what happens every once in a while? They get killed. Somebody goes missing. What a surprise. eyes, but you see these kids literally during the day jumping in the water and, you know, just

fucking around. And it's so funny when you see like the helicopter parent like guarding their kid here at the park. Like that's too dangerous. Don't do that. And then these kids are like, if I don't go out too far. They get in the, they're jumping in the water. And meanwhile, she goes, yeah, but they're in the deeper water over there.

This is a little shallow. Well, for now, until they're not. the um do you know the story you seem like the type of guy who would have absolutely come across this story but it's amazing i mean it's genuinely fascinating but there was a a island off the coast of japan somewhere in the in the south pacific and during world war two uh the japanese had stationed themselves the secretly stationed themselves a rat ran gang or something like that, yeah. And it's, it was, it was when they, they got pushed into the swamps. Right. You know about that? Yeah. And, and, and that is the most fascinating, because Australian scientists went back like, a couple years ago. Yeah. And there were like, the same crocodiles still there. Massive crocodiles. And that is just the most. That's that's saltwater crocodile habitat. There's video somewhere of a US, I believe a US Marine who was there. He's like, he said, you have to understand. We push back. push back and then we'd break in battle

a couple weeks ago and then we push and there's just no Japanese guys there there were no men. There's a good chance that these guys were getting in the water to traverse to the next whatever and getting taken at night. There's all like getting eaten. Yeah. That's insane. Yeah, because

what happens is you get here Chen recently in I just, here's another example. Recently in Indonesia they were working on boats at night and in the water. And don't you know, they got taken. Now, I want you to see how quickly this happens, all right?

They're working on the water? Yeah, there's a video of a guy, Indonesian guy taken by crocodile. Oh, I don't know if I want to see that. It just happens so quickly. Now watch. There's not a lot of screaming, okay? It just... He's probably got a shock.

Now, when you know that there are crocodiles anywhere in the area and you're getting in the water, there you go, that's the one. They're going under the water. Okay, so cool. This is great. So he just jumps in to help his friends. This is at night. Now, you know there are saltwater crocodiles everywhere.

He just disappeared. Goodbye. Watch. I don't exist anymore. Yeah. Watch. Yeah, there you go. Now he's here.

Watch. watch what happens. Later, he disappeared. Oh, there he goes. That's all. That's what happens. That's how fast it happens.

Now, those crocs. Oh, my God. Yeah, they just wait. And they will just wait. And they'll just go, I'm going to take you now. Now, what the fuck are you doing? You know that they're there.

You know they're there. Never get in the water. Ever, ever. These guys just hanging out in the water. And you can see the croc tries to go for him. Watch, watch the crock. Watch the water. Watch the water.

Oh, Oh, fuck. It's just when those other dudes are like, it's cool. They have no idea what's going on. And there's a giant crock. Now this guy jumped on top of that crock and he disappears. And he just died that fast. That's how it happens.

They grab you and they pull you under. And he's calling for his friend. He's like, where the fuck there you go? Is that just poverty? I have no idea because in India, it's the same thing. thing. Right. They bathe in the water, they fish in the water, they, they grab, they're fishing for crabs, and the Mugur crocodile is waiting for you. The reason I say that, I'm being, you, I'm trying, I'm not, this isn't by any means like a, like a derogatory thing. It's just, you, like, no German fishermen would do that. They'd be like, hey, there's fucking in Australia, it never happens. Right. And I, everybody knows. But India, Philippines, where they play, where we're talking to level of poverty, we can't even comprehend. These guys, they have to go fishing tonight or their family, for like a week is not going to. You clean your clothes.

You get your water. And after a while, if you've been doing it for 20 years, you're like, I don't know crocs. And then one day that crocodile has been watching you for a month. They'll watch you for that long and then come for you. It's crazy. What? How about the guy?

He's getting married. He washes his hands. They're all together. It's a huge wedding thing. It just happened in India. It's a lake. It's a beach. Like it looks like a beachfront.

And he went to wash his hands. in his face. He just went like that, you know, just to wash his hands and face. And the croc grabbed him by the head and just pulled him in without a sound. And all it was left were his, his sandals. And everybody was going, you just hear some guy going, ah, ah, like shouting because he's like, what the fuck? Like, yeah, sorry, man. Yeah, we forgot to tell you. Mugur crocodiles are all over. And he was, He was prey. He washed his face in that water. And oh yeah, I know you didn't see him because they've evolved to be underwater and it grabbed him by the head. See ya. See ya.

See ya. Would you rather go to space or like a mile underwater if you had a choice? It's a really good question. Because both are pretty scary to me. Both are exciting, but both are pretty scary. A mile underwater. Really? because I'd rather, I'm terrified.

You die so quickly. When you go a mile underwater, you're just going to get back. I feel like, especially to the area of space that I would be able to fly to, if for some reason they're like, hey, you want to. Problem with space is you're going to burn to death. But the area of space that I would be allowed to fly to, they know a good amount about it. Scientists who are smart have studied that for 50, 60 years now. Yeah.

The exploratory parts of the ocean, they still are like, I don't know, who knows what you see down there? You ever seen those giant squid? Pitch black. They got like grainy, just teeny, grainy, insane kind of camera angles of the giant squid. Yeah. Like, what else is down there? My buddy is a professional diver, the guy who owns toehold. Shout out to toehold.

These are awesome Titanic elephant here. 500 steps it takes to make that, that. I just always, I go and I buy different flip-flops to see if I'm going to change. Yeah. Because they're soft, they're comfortable, they have art support. I always go back to my tolls. There's nothing like them. I don't own the company.

That's not an ad. They're the best, period. Do you own a pair? I do not. I wear shoes because I'm straight and the fuck children. I train. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He was a professional diver.

Professional diver. Professional diver is. He was awesome. Yeah, he was spearfishing or fishing or fishing for abalone

or something and a seal grabbed onto his his pouch of food and started shaking him around because it wanted

him. He saw a guy step on a stone fishing in Asia and he didn't have felt under his feet so it went through his foot

and he had, he died right there he went into cardiac caress right there he was a dive instructor You know, he said to me, when you're in the ocean, it's always dangerous all the time. When you breathe salt water in, you have to go right to the hospital, even if you make it out of the water. Because you get what's called a dry drowning.

And even if you're Michael Phelps and his peak, you don't stand a chance with most all creatures. Right? Like it's not for us. That's not our thing. No. And currents and sharks. and sharks and jellyfish and stonefish, you know, and how about coral that burns you? How about like, how about everything? Everything. And please don't swim. Like, it's like we were just in

Porto Vallarta, my family and I. And the guy was at the Marriott. He went for a swim at night, and a crocodile killed him. A 20-foot crocodile ate him. Like, can somebody tell me, please, that there are crocodiles here and I shouldn't swim at night? Do you mind? That's in Portoviarta,

that's like the least of their worries. They're thinking about like not being beheaded. Look at this. The saltwater crocodile kills the most humans in the ocean worldwide, claiming over 100 to upwards of 1,000 lives annually, particularly across Southeast Asia and Australia. Of course.

Australia is the Texas of the globe in that if there's wild creatures to be to be seen pick Australia that's usually what that's the mecca of insane creatures and I think Texas has definitely got because Australia has the funnel web spider because it's got the box jellyfish because it's got saltwater crocodiles bull sharks fucking tiger sharks great white sharks brown snakes, tiger snakes. Dude, I'm obsessed. There's a episode of, this is a great story, but there's an episode of Peppa Pig.

And I used to watch it with my daughter when she was three, where she finds a daddy long legs in her dollhouse. And she befriends it. First she's scared, but then, you know, the moral of the story is like, no, don't be scared of creatures learn to love them and stuff. It was sweet. They're not allowed to show that episode in Australia

because they don't want Australian kids to grabbing a funnel like spider. I think it's a good idea to befriend spiders. No, that's how gnarly it is. I, like I'm always blown away by, like,

that there's just so many creatures that we, we don't even understand that they, I didn't, I didn't realize that that existed. And then you find out, oh, no, actually there's,

there's snakes that would, you know, fill up this whole room. It blows my mind. Yeah. You're talking about your friend who's a diver. And, professional diver.

It retrieves dead bodies and things. My wife has a friend who is substantially younger than us. She's not a kid, but she's like in her early 30s and she's single. And I was talking to her about like dating and like because I'm very curious about how things have changed with apps and things. And we got to talking about dating and that I was saying like, what's the cool jobs that you get you're a straight guy. You want to get straight chicks. what like let's make the the ranking

because there's checks and balances to everything dance instructor but not every chick's gonna be you know what I'm saying and I did the I'm driving and I'm like okay course like successful professional athlete

entertainer like a good successful entertainer it's kind of been a thing of it but that comes with it a huge negative too there's a lot of it's very hit or miss it's very feast or famine blah blah blah

and I was like, I think, I think firemen may win. I think firemen, because cop is definitely good, but that carries with it. You don't know, chicks may not like cops. You may be a fucking drug addict. When I was on mad TV and I was a young man and I was getting recognized in New York, and, you know, at the time when you were on a show like that,

it was a big deal. and I was 20, I was 30, 2089 and I was, you know, I don't know, I'm 511, 170 or something. He said to me, he goes, and girls were giving me some business. It was pretty cool. Yeah, I was also a comic. And he said to me, you're, you're one notch above firemen. Yeah. You're one notch above firemen because you're not as good looking, you're not a rugged fireman,

but you do have a little celebrity and you're funny. You're kind of cute because you're 29 and he said you're in the pecking order you're not Mark Messier from the Rangers

who I saw just hanging out and I watched the kind of women it was the first time I ever saw what real celebrity was and it was the first time I ever realized that we are monkeys we are apes because the alpha

the alpha ape was there Mark Messier with his giant forearms bring up young Mark Messier with his giant forearms. He had just won the Stanley Cup and his shoulders. He's about 6'2.

And I'm looking at this pro athlete. I was with David Blaine. And when he was younger, he just looked like he was just all-man. He was all-man. That looks like a cartoon. He was all-man, and he was big and strong

and gregarious. Yeah, mid-90s, messier. Yeah. But I'll throw in mid-90s. But girls, the kind of women. Yeah. I was a young man. And the kind of women,

these, these like sort of like, I don't know if they were, they were so hot that they were like, they were the kind of girls that date billionaires. Professionally hot chicks. They were professional hot chicks.

Not models. Their job is, they wake up in the morning and go to club. Curved out like everything else. And they were just hanging around them. And I went, oh, that's the pecking order.

I'm not Mark Messier. I'm not, I'm not an athlete like that. But I'm an actor on a TV show. Yeah. You know. See, but okay, I'll take. I'll take it.

I'll take actor on TV show. You're right. I mean, it's great. But to me, actor on a TV show carries with it. Next year, you could have no health insurance and you could be struggling to wonder where your next paycheck. Well, I've been there. You're a good fireman and I'm a chick and I'm looking, like that's going to marry a, she's going to marry.

That's, to me, God tier. Yeah, well, she's, you got a pension. You got a. salary. You're going to be a middle class kind of, you know, a merit. Are you, are you Mark Messy, Prime Mark, but no, but it's absolutely a great lifestyle money. I'd say part of what makes firemen attractive is their person, typically firemen are people

that save lives. They're quiet lifesavers. They're quiet guys that just, they're physically fit. And they're dudes. They're men. They're dudes. They're men. They're usually a little bigger than the next guy.

And, uh, this, this cracks me. that they do these fucking silly. For charity. Yeah, they do these silly. But look at them. I mean, they're jacked. I mean, don't give me wrong. All those guys are amazing looking at it.

But and and straight women out there, please correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't this probably bigger with gay dudes than straight chicks? One 100% although they are firemen. They got the gear. No, no, no. No shade. Now you don't want to be, you don't want to be shaved down in oil. That's silly.

No shade on the fireman. I was just talking about how it's top tier. But are those real firemen? I'm saying this actual, this actual calendar, I don't, like, no college girls, like, let me get the fireman calendar. I think it's probably like gay dudes, right? Yeah. Older women, too, maybe.

I'd say it's gay men. Yeah, maybe, yeah, you're right, like old milfs. Well, they say men don't look. It's not that women look at a man's static, and when he's static, he's not as attractive as when he's doing what he does. So if you see a fireman coming to your house with a hose and his gear, and he's like cranking something or opening a window or lifting you up in the air to bring you downstairs yeah you see him doing his shit right that's very true i i was at an expo god when was this

i don't know 2006-ish i was at a bodybuilding expo in southern california and you saw at the time and i don't want to name because it was i'm i'm not insulting this but it was just this is what happened This was at the time a young professional bodybuilder, and he was fucking shredded, he was jacked and everything, and then Arnold walked by. And I'm not even, I'm looking,

it was one of the times when I was aware of what it must have been like to be either a gay guy or a straight woman in that, I'm a guy who's a fan of bodybuilding and strength sports and everything, and I'm looking at this peak 26-year-old guy who's on all the gear, and he's shredded, and he's getting probably six weeks out from a contest.

And I'm, and then a guy who's really out of shape, 55 year old Arnold, the way he walked and handled people. He's not just so, it's because we actually are not. I'm mesmerized. Yeah, because I have a, I have been thinking about that. Like, it is not, we don't want what we think we want. So it's not that his muscles are a certain symmetry. It's not that, um, you can find women that are

perfect looking men that are perfect looking you can you know um is that the difference between sexy and attractive it's like all the information that you have on your phone doesn't get you closer to the truth yeah yeah all the information and all the answers you want are there all the secrets to all the mysteries all the questions you ever had are there it's not actually what you're looking for you're not looking for that you're not you're looking for something behind all that like without getting too philosophical, but it's impossible not to, we are not here to satisfy our appetites. We are not here to answer all the questions that gnawed us. We're not. We're here for the mystery, and we're here to reach. And because the only thing you can do is live in mystery and reach.

I don't think that you're going to find the answers, the ultimate answers. But when you, when you chase sensation, so Arnold is respected because he walked by, And the aura is actually a guy who is able to reach the top of the game in three or four different things. Right. He's better than everybody else, and he just wins, wins, wins. And also the balls on him. I mean, I'm sorry. He's not even from here.

Wait. I mean. Imagine being mid to late 70s Arnold. And you really don't have that rate of control of the English language. And you're known for being someone who has big muscles. And he didn't decide to get into acting. Yes. some of his first roles were silly movies,

the Hercules movie and stuff. But he, at that point, when he was still saying California, he was like, I'm going to be a movie star. I'm not going to get into acting. No, I'm going to be a movie star. I'm going to be a huge movie star. Amazing level. And then I'm going to be the governor of California.

And he'd already been making, he'd already been a multi, multi-millionaire by the time he was 30. And he changed the bodybuilding game. he has a thing and I wonder if it's if it's able you're able to even just like you were talking about the mystery of it I wonder if you're able to even put your finger on what this kind of mysterious charisma is that some men have and some men don't but my father um his big charity push and I never got to the bottom of why I don't have anybody in my family with developmental disabilities or I don't believe he ever did but my dad was really big into

the Southern California Special Olympics. He devoted a lot of time and money and he was really into it. That was his thing. And because of that, he would get invited to these gala for these Special Olympics. Now, before the controversies,

Arnold Schwarzenegger was married to Maria Shriver. And for those you don't know, the Shriver family, Kennedy, Onassis, kind of, they founded the Special Olympics. Yeah, it was Eunice, right? I don't know. One of the Onassis families was special needs.

And they felt. Arsettal Anastas was, a shipping magnet. One of their children, I believe it was Eunice, had some type of developmental disability, and they devoted a lot of time and money to developing the Special Olympics.

So we'd go to these gala and it was really great, and Maria Shriver host, and then of course, before the controversy, Arnold would always be there. Controversy being, he got his maid pregnant.

Yes. You got the, the infidelity controversy. So, I, of course, as a wannabe meathead, would be like punching my dad, I'd be like, okay, at some point, go talk to Arnold.

Yeah, no problem, no problem. And the thing will wind down and eventually there'd be a line of people to go shake his hand and everything. And my father would walk with me and we go, and now this has happened three or four years in a row. I mean, as if you just press play, rewind play. And Arnold would stand up and go, hello, nice to meet you, nice to meet you, it's great. And my dad would say, Arnold, Mr. Schwarzenegger, this is my son. and Michael, he's actually really into body. And before he could finish his sentence, every year, before he's, he's really into

my, I don't know, I can tell, look at these delts, these great. You feel me like, it was fantastic, look at these lots. Yes, I can tell he's great, great. And then we'd walk away and then same thing. Press, plus play everything. The same year was so funny. But he just had it like this. Look at this lots.

so charming. Now, granted, he's so famous. There may be an aura around people of that. But you and I have both been very lucky to meet very, very famous people. Not all of them have that. Where it just is magnet. I, in 1999, I was at a baseball tournament. I just graduated high school and I was in this, like, Babe Ruth Lee or like this summer league baseball team, club team, we were in a tournament. And I was in Monrovia, California. And I guess Monrovia, California had been voted America's safest city in 1998-99. And they sectioned off a church, and President Clinton was going to come visit this.

So I'm in between, there's like four hours before I have to go to this next game, but we're still sitting at the ballpark, like killing time, standing around the snacks, you know, we're playing pickle and like killing. And these dudes walk up,

they weren't secret service. I don't think they were cops, but these guys came up to us, like with an official gig, and they said, would you like to meet the president of the United States of America? And we go, what? What do you mean?

This is a joke. And we go and talk to the coach and we're like, what is happening? Explain and they gave us a background. We go, okay. So we go and then like about a mile away, there was this kind of checkboy. And they, of course, check us for anything. And they got our IDs and the whole thing. And we go, we wait in line and President Clinton shows up with a big, big parade type cavalcade of cars.

And finally, President Clinton, Secret Service is kind of amazing. It was really fantastic to see. They're talking and walking next to him and everything. And there's this huge congregation of people and probably a thousand people packed in this place that should seat 200. And he says a couple words. And then he walks in the crowd and people just start. And I got as close as I am to like chin and I'm like, oh my God.

Now granted, he's the president of the United States of America. But then there was also this thing. I was like, fuck, he is a really big head and it's really red. But also, I'm. so magnetized by this man. And he got close to me and he shook and he just, you know, obviously I'm not someone special. He was just shaking hands and going to the next person

so he could get out of there. And he shook my hand and he's like, hi, hi, hi, nice to meet you, very soft. And I was like, wow. And there was something about him. And he walked away and I was like, God Almighty. Well, that's a, that's say what you will about Bill Clinton. There's no one who ever spent any time around Bill Clinton who won't tell you.

He was the smartest guy in the room. So in charge of his shit. All the time always happened. Whether he was good or best. bad whether you're like him or not. He, I know some smart people who spent time with him. And they were like, there's no one smarter. I've never met anybody smarter. I've never met anybody who can argue both sides of any, any. So you have a point of view and you want to have an argument with him. He knows your argument better than you do by far. He'll crush you.

If you ever tried to have an argument with Bill Clinton about anything, that dude knows your position. He has read all of what you've read and more. And he knows your position better. than you do. And that's a fact. That's the one thing. It's like, you better come prepared because he is, his intellect was formidable and he's probably a sociopath. He's probably a guy who can just compartmentalize at the end of the day. And I don't think you can make it in certain industries, certainly to that level, which is, well, that's peak, right? You're the most powerful man in the world. I don't think you get to the top of being that level of government without being a bit of a, you've got to be a formidable motherfucker across the board.

There's just not really any way to do it, right? He was special. You know, what's funny, though, about Schwarzenegger or anybody is when you can have all that success, it does eventually stop. The music stops. Everything stops. And if you're not okay with yourself, that can be brutal. It's, well, and I was thinking about that, too. Like, you can live a good, long life.

But you're ultimately going to say goodbye to this avatar. You're going to say goodbye to this avatar. avatar. You're going to say goodbye to this. This thing that I work on that I try to preserve. I do jiu-jitsu so I can teach my son and we wrestle and then I want to be 60 but able to fight somebody. You know, I like that I can grab a 21-year-old kid now who doesn't know what he's doing and fucking...

And fuck his ass. You know what I mean? Whatever I want to him? No, wait, hold on. What? No, no, that's not what I was going to say. Oh, okay. Sorry.

I was going to say kick his ass. Okay, sorry. Yeah, not... Kick his ass. What fuck is that? Yeah, you guys say kick. Kick, kick, yeah. Okay, why do you have a boner?

Lick, lick his ass? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, but you're going to say goodbye to this. It all goes away. And I think about that too. I was thinking about that. That's a really good practice. Like, just practice observing this cloud of sensation that needs food, that needs validation,

that needs love and warmth and all that. Just practice observing and then realize that that that, observer is going to watch this thing burn away. It's hard to do and actually went through this the other day. I really had like kind of an existential funk about it because I was talking to these young men, uh, college age kids. And they actually went to UT. They were college kids, men, boys. And they were talking about how they, three of the six of them had, did, three of the five of them didn't have licenses. And they didn't have any desire to drive cars. And I was so, like I was talking to a different species.

I was like, what do you mean? I was so obsessive about girls and independence and freedom. And they said, no, we have the apps. I would go, what do you guys want to parties this weekend? And I'm like, no, we don't. And I was so quick to judge them, right? But then I took time to really think, like, think about being 19, 20 years old and how confused and scared about everything you were.

Like, if you had apps where you could talk to girls and just hang out with your buddies and PlayStation and smoke weed and that's how you live, you would absolutely do the same thing. And if you had Uber and you didn't worry about drinking and driving, you would absolutely do this. Like why? And I just observed, as opposed to, like you said,

I just observed how I was thinking and feeling and thought and I stepped back. And I think you're right. It's very hard to do. But if you do take the time to kind of unplug, and distraction has never been so awesome, we have such, the access to such amazing distraction, the time. If you take yourself away from even for a moment, you realize like how much stuff

really doesn't matter that we worry about and how much stuff that we should worry about that we don't pay enough mind to. And you're right. You're going to die. Not only am I going to die someday, I'm actually not going to be able to do all this fun stuff that I think is so important, probably a lot sooner than before I die. I remember Louis C.K. telling the story about trying to cast Jack Nicholson in a movie. He really wanted Jack Nicholson, but he already kind of tacitly announced that he wasn't going to act anymore,

but Louis felt like he wrote this role for, and he told this amazing story. He's like, well, he'll have a meeting with you. So he flies out to wherever, one of Jack Nicholson's many homes, I'm sure. And he's talking to him, he gives him the pitch. Jack Nicholson said, you know, later today, I'm going to take a nap.

And after I take a nap, you see that tree. over there. I'm just going to walk underneath it. I'm going to stand there and look at the sunrise and I'm going to think to myself, yeah, that's nice. Maybe I'll have something to eat. And so if I do your movie, I could be able to do any of that because I don't have to start thinking

about other stuff. And Louis C.K. was like blown away because he's like, he doesn't need the money. He doesn't need the attention. He's gotten to the point. He's like, I need to just focus on this. On this. That's right. And it was something he's never really had a time to do either.

Like, he's never really, I talked to Dennis Miller. I did his show. And he was hosting for Larry King Live. And I said, what are you going to do? And he goes, I'm going to get out and just, I'm going to go to Europe and stuff. He goes, I've not, I'm 65 or whatever he was. He was, I haven't done anything. I haven't done anything.

I've been on the inside of a studio. I haven't seen the world. I want to go out there and see the, see like, the things I haven't seen. I've been working. And by the way, when you're in Hollywood and that's all you've done, man, it's not great. You know, people misunderstand that. And I misunderstood that and took some real studs to set me straight.

And because you want it so bad, you know, I'm sure when you're a young man, you're dreaming of growing and being a performers. Like, I'm a failed rock star. I always dreamed of, like, being Trent Reznor or being Chris Cornell or something, you know. and then I got, I fell into an industry where I got to bump elbows with those guys. So I wasn't a performer in that regard, but I was working at the most important rock radio station. And Chris Cornell and it wasn't enough for Chris Cornell. It wasn't an argument.

Like I was at the most, at the time in terrestrial radio. That was the most powerful play. It was MTV and K Rock, L.A. was the most kind of biggest movie. And you were around all those guys. And so I got a chance and not only to be around them, but then like off the air or at like these concert festivals, I'd see Tom to Longback City and I'd be like, hey dude, what's up? And he's like, hey, Mike. And it was very, I felt very fortunate.

You know, I'd get. And having people say, like, you, I've toured the world 14 times. He's like, I haven't seen anything though. He's like being in a bus or being on a plane. You haven't. It's cool. And packing arenas, I love that. I wanted to do it since I was a little kid.

But I want to go live. Like, I'm not living. Like, so because I speak a little French. Thank you. I was, I remember being 12. 2223, and I'm with, I had some French friends in D.C. And I'm hanging out in Paris with my friends playing soccer with a tiny ball in the fucking piazza, laughing, drinking, going to a bar, drinking too much, having sex with some beautiful

French girl because I met her and I, she liked my accent. French girl? Yes. French guy. Maybe it was a French guy. Who knows when I was younger, you know what I mean? It's college shit. Long hair, big tits, huge dick.

And you're doing that. Those are the memories, man. It's actually not working on a set. Yeah. It's really not. Don't get me wrong. It's the shit of going to like my friend's wedding in Central Pay and just all that unfolded from that.

Or those are the times that you just laugh the most. That's the shit, you know. I don't know. I find that if you gave me a lot of money, I might disappear and do just that. Nick Nolte, my buddy was doing a movie with him. They were trying to get a movie off the ground, but they didn't move it with him.

And they were talking to him, and he's in his sprawling estate that he bought off of somebody who was in the Eagles, I think, came a beautiful place, got burned down, by the way. And he said, you guys want some plum, you guys eat lunch? And they're like, no. And he goes, okay, you want some plums?

And he goes, running through this sprinkler. and grabs a bunch of plums off his tree and comes back with his shirt full of plums. And he's like, hey, go, hey, go. And there's something about that life where it's just like, I'm going to go eat plums in my garden and do nothing else. I haven't done that since I was 25. And far be it for me to point fingers than anybody who doesn't want to be a star or want to be important or have success, I get that.

Yeah. That's not what I. But you realize very quickly, well, it may not be success. And also there's a real, especially I think with entertainers in particular, even more so than athletes, there's a real good chance

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wherever you listen to your podcast I feel targeted by that pet cemetery's comment I was about to say Wasn't that you? That was me. Oh, let me show you this one real quick This is in Florida This female police officer

I guess there was a shooting A cop got shot So they had to obviously assess the area And there's some electricians working there And this is how she treated them Which is I know it's a high stress situation, but I'll play it for you. If somebody's been shot, you're going to arrest

everybody in there. Yeah, that changes everything. But let's see how she behaves, but that does change a lot. I'm not. On my back. On my back? On my stomach? Yes. It's not great. It's not great

training, but I understand. We just here working, ma'am. That's it. I only have tools on me. Which way? This way. Just secure them for now. I got you. I got you covered. Secure them.

She's doing whatever she can. On your stomach, sorry. On your stomach, sorry. You're not under arrest. You're not under arrest. You're not shooting. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, we just bystanders.

I don't know you get cuffed up for being a boss standard. Be quiet. Please, you're not making it easier. I'm just working though, ma'am. You treat me like I got something to do with it. So I already bad enough for my skin in this color. Can you just sit down here? Can you just sit against the wall?

Please scoot yourself forward. This is crazy. She doesn't know what she's doing. They're panicked. She told me to scoot over there. Yeah. What y'all want me to do? Ah, okay, y'all, y'all confused and y'all look scared.

Like, y'all don't know who y'all want to shoot, dang. That right there is where she crossed the line for me. Well, she's a mess. Everything up until that point, I was like, I get it. She's a mess. She's never been in this situation. That's the thing. She's terrified.

She's about to have. have a breakdown. The problem is it's just training and she's probably wrong for the job. She's probably a good human being who just doesn't know how to deal with high stress situations. Up until that point. That's why she shouldn't be a cop and you guys are going to get mad of me, but that's why men tend to be a little bit less emotional in those situations overall. You can look at the literature behind that. That's actually a fact. Yeah, and that's why women make way better grade school teachers. Exactly. Way better. You know, it's not. By and large. Yeah, that's not, yeah. Women tend to be more empathetic, by the way. There's a lot of that shit. And there's, there's upside to it. But I don't, up until she said, you shut the F up, I was like on her. If there's a cop that got shot and you know someone has a firearm and has already shot a cop, you don't know where he's, but he's in that area. Yeah. I'm handcuffing every dude and I go, look, you may be minding your own business. For our safety, we have to do this right now. We just know that someone's in the area of chill. I had, I was mine, I was dead asleep. And,

banging on my banging L-I-P-D, L-I-P-D, and I'm like, what happened? And I was like, what's going on? And they're like, open the fucking door. I open the door. They have guns on. I'm like, yo, yo. And they're like, get on the ground, get on the ground. I didn't ask questions.

They handcuffed me. And they're like, listen, someone has just shot and possibly killed someone in the canals here. And we know they ran into this area here. We don't know. We don't know what's going on. And you're a full-grown adult male. I'm, this may be, we are sorry if, but That's the difference.

That cop was very clear with me. He's like, we just need to get this out of the way. That's the key one. He said, get comfortable. Let me sit on this couch here. We're going to go to the next house. There's a high stress situation and two female cops show up versus two male cops. I'm not happy with the two female.

I'll just say it. It's going to be a difference. It's just like my protection detail, my security detail is going to have men, not women. Yeah, I've seen so many badge can videos now. And there are great female cops out there. Sure. Overall, I mean, you know. Of course.

It's just in a high stress, combative situation, I'm going to go with the men. And I'm also going to go with somebody who's been trained. Training is everything because there are a lot of men, if you're not trained,

you're going to panic too. So you've got to be trained. Yeah, I've seen men panics. You've got to be trained. You have to have experience. It's all that shit. And some people just freeze up. It's okay.

Some people just, it's scary. But the orders, that's what freaks me out. Like, get on your back in or something and there's two cops and, like, if you move the wrong way,

like some cops, I've seen it before. Yeah. Yes, but put yourself in the situation of a law enforcement officer. That's what you do. Every day you get up and you kiss your family goodbye and you put a badge and a gun on to go, your clientele is bad guys. Yep. If I'm, if I'm encountering someone that I potentially think is going to get in a gun fight with me,

I want to make sure I have the leg up and me and my buddies do, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, 100%. Do you guys see that, not to interrupt this, but it was worth it if you haven't seen it. there was a white supremacist. He was like an outright, like a real, like Nazi, not like, like, woke people say. He was like a real Nazi, like neo-Nazi guy. And he gets pulled over.

And the cop goes, license registration, please. And he's like, yeah, I just got my license right here in a bag. And he pulls out of gun. He literally shoots. And I believe kills this poor officer. Jesus. Well, I'm not, dude, you got to pull his. 900 cops get in a car chase with this. like dudes from other departments they like got the word and they finally get this guy they get it like a tank the cop tank kind of bashes the car and he gets out of the car and it looks like a Sylvester Stallone straight to DVD movie he 7,000 cops shoot him and I go yeah like this cop was just doing it shoot that fuck and and and you got to think like in the back of your mind if this is your job

this scumbag represents that and you may be mine your own bit maybe you didn't do something wrong but when you're in the milieu of there's a guy an armed person who just shot another person and he know we know he's in this neighborhood here i'm telling this poor electrician i'm telling this construction i'm telling this guy walking his dog get on the fucking get on the crown and i'm gonna put your hand by we'll figure this out later yeah and then you got to get to the bottom of it's like you don't they're just seen uh be a Nazi tribe getting... Bring that guy's... Let me see that face. That guy's face again. That's hilarious. The first one? Yeah, he just looks like a bad guy out of a movie.

This guy? Yeah, that guy's up to no good. Yeah, he doesn't look good. If you're that guy's dad, you go, uh-oh. What have I done? Well, he probably didn't know his dad. His dad beat the shit out of him or something like that. Wow.

How does that go? Do you think there's anyone who gets... Oh, Shane Gillis reacts into another. See BodyCam. That one, I do believe Shane and Matt McCusker talked about it. So I'm, dude, I'm not exaggerate. It's the big, I've never seen more cops. This one?

Yeah. He's a white supremac. Me and Blizz have been dying watching this guy. I might have talked about last time. There's a guy. He's a white supremacist, a cop pulls him over. He's like, yeah, my IDs in my bag. He just takes a gun out.

It suits the cop, kills the cop. Then every single cop chases him. He's driving down the highway with like 500, 900 cop cars. Look, I've never seen anything like that. They show the guys in the cars, like, while they're falling, like, loading guns. Hell yeah. And they get the, they're like, we need the bear cat. They always break out the bear cat.

It's like an iron tank. Yeah, yeah. They started hitting his car with a tank. Yeah, this guy's a car. So watch me get out of the car. You finally stops every single cop gets out and shoots. Everyone was, like, taking turns. Like, everybody's, like.

Everybody's fucking no. Everybody's fucking wrong. That's what happens. He just died. He's not even getting out of the truck. Oh, I don't think. He's definitely not moving at this point. But they're like, he's like, let me get a couple in.

Well, everybody wants to shoot their gun. Well, and also shoot this guy. Yeah. I don't know if everyone wants to shoot. From inside the car. It's hilarious. There's 900 lines going to his headdress. Yeah, to his headdress.

He must have been in the car like, like, like Clint. Grand Arena. Me and Blizz have been dying watching this guy. I might have talked about. That's awesome that the police got him back like that, though. I never seen that gorgeous like that looked like I'm going out with a bang. That's what he wanted to do.

He's just. Lunatic. He just died suicide by cop. Yeah. I'll take one of them with me. And you probably, he probably, that guy, look at him. He probably spent so much time in jail already. It's like, what's the worst to get out now?

I'm just going to go back. Yeah, look at him. Yeah, he's like, He's too lazy to even smoke his cigarette. It's just kind of hanging out as fucking. I think we need to address the fact that, like, that guy, there's only like a 200 of those guys in America. Yeah.

When people talk about, like, the rise of white supremacy. That's a one percent. That's just a bad guy. There's like, you have a racist uncle who says the end where you're, but like that guy, that's really like 0.001% of people. That's the very bad. That's the nightmare man. That's, that's a bad guy. He's done, he's, that guy has left a wake of hurt. Yeah. He's a villain. That's a villain. And that goes in all directions where people are like, you don't understand like women nowadays, they'll get pregnant just so they can get a paycheck. I was like, no, that's like, that's like 30 people. And you don't encounter that. That guy's just bad. That's a rare, that's a rare extreme. That's called the demonic male. Oh, yucky. You know, primates have that.

Sometimes they'll be just a baboon or an ape that's just like a champ that's just bad and fucks everybody up until the females and the troop go. You know what? We've had it with this guy or the other males go, let's kill this motherfucker and they gang up on him. That's what happened. You can't run a society like that. Well, they have brains like weedy, right? Same central nervous system kind of similar. Similar.

It just goes haywire. Dominance hierarchies. Mother finds 20-year-old under 13-year-old daughters. Oh, yeah, this one's a little, I'll show you some other video after this, but so this one where mother said, if, to the 13-year-old daughter, if I ever see a boy in the house, I'm going to kill him, something like that. So apparently this 13-year-old contacted, I went back and forth to contact with the 20-year-old guy, and then she invited him over. And of course, the mother found out he was hiding under the bed. And as he's running away, she shot him and killed him. So I'll just play this clip first.

Checking your daughter, or was she making a serious mistake? This Tennessee mom's murder case is dividing the internet right now. Let me break it down for you. Kendra Scott was arrested after allegedly shooting and killing a 20-year-old man after finding him hiding under her 13-year-old daughter's bed. Kendra's lawyer called the situation the worst nightmare of any parent of a 13-year-old girl. It all started when her daughter told police that she invited Radarius Morton over around 1 a.m. When her mother Kendra got home, though, she pounded on the door questioning who was in her home.

When Kendra got inside the room, she allegedly found Roderius hiding under her. her daughter's bed. According to the daughter's statement to police, Kendra had said in the past that if she sees a boy in the house, I will put a hole in his ass. The written statement says that she chased him outside. The sound of a gunshot alerted neighbors to the situation, with a neighbor later telling police, he found her outside holding a gun with Radiria's dead on the floor. She allegedly told the neighbor, I shot him. The cases since exploded online. Some believe she acted like any parent would, but others argue that once the man was outside, deadly force, force was not justified. She's now charged

with first degree murder and employing a firearm during the commission of a if he was running away. If he's running away, she's in deep shit. And not in the house. Yeah, that's deep shit. That's bad news. Because he, yeah, she's, she's in trouble. That's, that's, it's, we all talk about

this stuff, but you, when what happens in a court cases, the judge goes, promise, you're, you know, you know, and apparently it wasn't cognitively, Yeah, that's the tricky part too. So this is according to his former teacher.

But either way, you know, it's real dicey when you shoot somebody. Either she's going to deal with, if she gets off, it'll be a lawsuit that'll take five years and break her. It's, he had special needs. This is a rough one in many directions. Yeah, I mean, it's a 20-year-old man under your daughter's bed. But let's say, okay, he's cognitively not. 20. I've experienced that I've been around where it didn't get to that point. Yeah. But there was a guy online who my friend's sister and she was around that age and there was this guy who was like

in his mid-20s and that was like really getting flirty with her on Facebook. And we were kind of like let's go get and then he investigated it got on the phone. He was clearly like severely developmentally to say that. Yeah, that's a whole different thing. He and even the guy's the guy's dad. Yeah. Who the dad of the girl who was being, He even said, he's like, well, that's on his parents. Because if you are a parent and you know you have, you can't just let your son or daughter be out in the wild. Yes, but what you do is you call the police in that situation.

You let the police handle that if it's somebody who's not with it, if their own faculties. Now, if it's a 20-year-old dude under my daughter's bed and he's, you know, she's 13 and he's 20, I can see myself shooting him in the fucking face. Right. Because. But not if he's running away.

Right. If he's running away, it's going to be, I don't know if I'm letting him run. I mean, I'm not making it out of the house, though. He's getting on his, he's getting on his knees. And I'm, he better be very cooperative because I'm calling the cops. And we're, we're, there, you're going to jail. Yeah. If he fucking, if I got a gun on this guy and he's,

under my 13 year old daughter's bed and he's 20. I see a 20 year old dude with a beard. Bro, first of all, I'm asking for his ID just to make sure he ain't 14 and just weirdly developed. Okay? Yeah. And if I see that he's 20 years old under my daughter, my daughter, 13 year old daughter's bed,

I'm putting the boots to his head and I'm holding the gun on him until the cops come. If he fucking gets up, if he gets up and I'm by the door, I'm going to consider that an attack and I'm putting him away. So I get that. If he's running out the door,

it's, I'm going to go, I'm going to think to myself, this was a thing. He manipulated my daughter online, whatever it happened, and we're going to get the cops involved. I,

you can't, you do what you can to bring this guy to justice. Yeah. And I'm with you that. But this is sad. Under, my daughter's 12. So I mean, this is right in the, and there's a 20-year-old.

a grown man, a young, but grown man, and he's hiding under the bed, he's getting a gun pulled on him. And like you said, unless he's like, I'm really sorry, hands up in the air, hands up, getting on his knees, then we can have a conversation. At the very least he's going to jail. That's definitely. But unless all of that happens and he doesn't make a move, if he tries to push me away, if he tries to run, if he tries to run, if he's getting shot. Now, if he makes it out my front door and I'm watching him run away, I know somehow in my, I can't live with the burden of killing a person unless it was

kind of necessary. If he was, you know, if he, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, there's no wrestling. There's a lot of things going on. There's no wrestling. He lunges, he shoots, like he's, he's getting shocked. You're done.

Yeah, you're done. Oh, this is so weird. I can't watch this guy. I can, because people need to hear. But he's so, he's so completely. Don't say he. But this person, this person, no, I'm saying he. He's so mess.

up. This is, this is somebody... No, that's why it's hilarious at the same time. This is somebody who's suffering from major mental illness and has been indulged. Profound. Yeah, and but also been indulged, told that it's okay, that you're normal. Let me, let me say this. Before we get even into, clearly, biologically, a guy who wants to be called a few, okay, all the, push that aside. Going to a public place and behaving like this, you're in the wrong.

I don't care what the there's no circumstance when over and over again when people are trying to have a conversation with you where people are trying to come to some there's no situation where that makes you the right. No. It just doesn't exist. No, I don't like watching this. Okay.

Well, people want to see it's the misgender meltdown. Play it. This, okay, well, this one I thought was really interesting because we all know who Alicia Liu is now, right? Yeah. The figure skater that won gold medal. Yeah. Is she, but she's an American that competed, competed for China?

Yeah. Uh, no, that's the snowboarder. Oh, yeah, yeah. The snowboarder. Oh, yeah. She was so, fucking hot. The snowboarder was so hot.

Yeah, so hot. Like, like so crazy. I completely changed the way I felt about her because I saw her. She's also the greatest ever. And I said, oh, who's, she's American? She competed for China. And then I saw it was like, she's good. I'm, I totally understand.

You're going to be beautiful, really smart and the best ever. All right. Olympic medalist. This is where I have a huge. huge problem. So yeah. So, okay, so brother's a trans guy and he's crushing everybody. Yeah, and basketball. So, I mean, think about this.

So she's a gold medalist in figure skating. I'm sure she has to support her brother regardless, right? Because she wants, she loves her brother or now sister. But I mean, what if that sister competed in her sport? Like, what happens then, you know? It's just,

to me, it's ridiculous. I can't believe we're still doing this. Here's why it's ridiculous. Here's why it's ridiculous. because explain to me. And I'm big into, if this is America, in my America, if you're born a boy and you want to be a girl, go for it. Awesome sauce.

I'll call you. I don't care. I'm not that guy. I was like, I'm calling, I was like, if you prefer to be called a, cool, awesome sauce.

When we start getting into competitive sports, when we start to get into where you use the bathroom, you have to take into consideration. Let's use sports. when has it ever gone the opposite direction? When has there been a boy who's like, or sorry, when has there ever been a biological female who's like, I'm going to change into being a boy

and I'm going to dominate the basketball scene? It doesn't happen, okay. Because it's happened zero time. Why? Because there's big biological differences. And it's never happened once. It's so silly. So how can you say it's all the, it's silly?

More madness in the world. All right, was that about it, Chin? That's fine. If you guys want to? Close it out. Well, here's the last one. You guys know Zhang Wei Li. That's her?

This is apparently where she posted on Instagram. Hold on. Like, she had a new makeup artist. And. What? I'll just show you a quick. She's a bad lady, too, by the way. Oh, yeah.

I think it has to be AI, but. It is. But you can still see some similarities. Zangeli has a very strong jaw. I never remember seeing Zangweili without her mouthpiece and, like, her hair back. So I don't. No, seriously. Fighting.

I don't really know. That's a wig, Bobba. That's not a real. That's not her hair. That's a wig. Oh, definitely a wig. Yeah. That's a wig.

And, uh... I think we're here. She's, she's got a lot of muscles and she's... Yeah. Every... I don't buy that that's her. Every reasonably attractive person on social media has some level of alteration. And it's for younger females, it's extraordinary how much manipulation goes.

Tommy McMillan stole the show. Yeah, I do. This kid is, you know, he's got a lot of charisma. I don't know, you know, he gets hit, so I worry that he's, he's one of those guys with a really exciting fighting style. That can be sometimes what makes you so fun is the thing that can also get you into trouble with higher level guys, but he's awesome. San Antonio, Texas, LOL comedy club, I'll see you this weekend, Friday, Saturday,

and Sunday. I haven't done a Sunday show in a long time, but we're doing Sunday. Nice. Come get some. Come get some. Mike, anything? What's that?

Do you have anything? Promote. Work in progress podcast. At Mike Catherwood on Instagram. There's a lot of other stuff going on, but that's the best place to give me. That's my little hub. Mike, at Mike Athew.

Cool. Thanks, buddy. Dude, thank you for having me. Awesome to have you. This is the fighter and a kid. We're out. Pluto, foe. If you know the name of the movie you'd like to see,

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