The Megyn Kelly Show - Ken Paxton Dominates Cornyn Ahead of Race Against RADICAL Talarico, with Tom Bevan, and SHOCK Prince Andrew Stories | Ep. 1326

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

Megyn Kelly is joined by Tom Bevan, president and co-founder of RealClearPolitics, to discuss Ken Paxton crushing John Cornyn in the GOP Texas primary runoff for U.S. senate, why this is a huge MAGA victory, the general election matchup with James Talarico on the Dem side, who’s favored to win in the Paxton - Talarico battle in Texas, how radical Talarico is and whether he really has a chance in the race, Talarico’s vegan past and what he's actually said about a "vegan" campaign, his new claims about his true meat eating, the attacks we're about to see against Paxton, and more. Then Andrew Lownie, author, "Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York," joins to discuss reports in his book on allegations about Prince Andrew's connections to Jeffrey Epstein, the truth about Virginia Giuffre, the allegations about his disturbing experiences as a young child, shocking new details involving "Fergie" Sarah Ferguson and Diddy, the truth about Fergie's marriage to Prince Andrew, Fergie's love of American celebrities, Prince Andrew’s warning to Harry about Meghan Markle, alleged fights between Princes Harry and Andrew, and more.   Bevan- https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ Lownie-https://andrewlownie.me/   ARMRA: go to https://tryarmra.com/MEGYNto get 30% off your first subscription order Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 for a free info kit and to see if you qualify for up to $10,000 back through May 29. Ethos Life Insurance: Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at: https://ethos.com/MK The Wellness Company: Don’t let a sudden illness derail your summer—secure your peace of mind and save $45 on a Medical Emergency Kit today by visiting https://UrgentCareKit.com/MK and using promo code MK.     Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow  Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and happy Wednesday. We have big revelations in our second hour about Prince Andrews ties to Jeffrey Epstein. And it's unbelievable the new revelations in this book. You know, remember when he went on that interview with the BBC and was like, I never touched Virginia Joufrey and I don't sweat. Therefore, her account of us. nightclub can't be real because she said I was sweating. Remember that whole thing? And eventually he kind of got pushed out of the royal family as an official member. As a result of that and some alleged disclosures he wasn't supposed to do when he was the British envoy. But according to this new book, which we have the author of in the second hour, he, I think it wasn't just one 16 or 17-year-old girl. There's too many to count. He denies this. But his practice was reported,

to everywhere he went, book two hotel rooms, one for where he would sleep and one for his young latest trist. And he liked him young. Again, he denies it, but we'll talk to the author, that it was happening over and over and over. Like, now I'm starting to wonder whether his statements about Virginia Joufrey were true, only insofar as like he genuinely didn't remember her. There'd been so many. It's like they weren't true him denying, like, ever having been with her. But like, I'm not convinced he did remember her. She was not alone.

And we'll get into that and some other big revelations, including the massive fight he had with Prince Harry over Harry's terrible wife. It's a very interesting new book. Okay. But first, huge news in the political world today. Last night, Ken Paxton, the Trump-backed Attorney General of Top. Texas defeating four-term incumbent Senator John Cornyn in the Republican runoff to be the party's nominee for U.S. Senate. Now, it's not done. He's got to go to a general election in November. We'll get to that in one second, but huge win for Paxton last night. Back in March, Senator

Cornyn actually receiving slightly more votes than Paxton during the original primary, but because neither man crossed the 50 percent threshold, the race moved to a runoff. And this time, thanks in part to Trump's endorsement of Paxton last week, it was a blowout for Paxton. With over 95% of the votes counted, Paxton currently leading Cornyn by nearly 28 points. 28. He went from like a very slight loss to him to absolutely trouncing him. Senator Cornyn conceded last night, saying he would support the Republican ticket and lamenting that voter turnout was not higher. This is what happens in these special elections and these midterm elections too.

People stay at home. Some get the result they want. Some don't. The ones who don't, who didn't vote, have only themselves to blame. Cornyn seems to feel that was his voters. Paxton, for his part, was jubilant and did not shy away from tying his campaign victory to President Trump. When everyone in Washington told him to abandon me and abandoned the people of Texas, he didn't listen. Instead, he gave his complete and.

total endorsement. President Shrobb is the leader of our party and his endorsement in this most power, is the most powerful force in politics. And I'm honored to have his support, and I look forward to working with him in the Senate to deliver for Texas. Paxton's victory sets up a contest now between Paxton and this guy named James Tala Rico. He's a member of the Texas State House, a former middle school. teacher who is currently a student at Austin Presbyterian Theological Seminary with one year of

classwork remaining. There's a news story on his church today and what it's offering the children. Let's just say when I went on my little tour of other possible Christian denominations besides Catholicism, my husband's Presbyterian. I quickly ruled out the Presbyterian church in our town when I saw the pride flag flying in front of it. Okay. Where Doug's from. in the Philadelphia area. They don't have the pride leg. It's basically just a bunch of wasps. But Presbyterianism, it's hit or miss, unlike Catholicism.

We're usually hardcore. So this guy, Tala Rico, took academic leave to run for Senate in a state where no Democrat has won statewide office in over 30 years. And yet, many serious political prognosticators believe he could potentially be the one to do it. Now, Representative Tala Rico is likely to have his work cut out for him. All right. Thanks in part to his far-left statements about, for example, there being six genders and also that Jesus helped him reckon with his own whiteness. Same, yeah, among others. Watch, watch. Watch this. God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between.

God is non-binary. Modern science obviously recognizes that there are many more than two biological sexes. In fact, there are six. For me, prophetic voices like Jesus have helped me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity, my own certainty, my own ego. It's a never-ending process, and it's a painful process. Something that you love that's not family or friends. I love, and just say this because it's on my mind, the trans children who showed up yesterday,

at the state capital to advocate for their humanity. And being Christian and being pro-choice are absolutely consistent because Christianity is a feminist religion that Jesus Christ himself was a radical feminist. And he went on to say that the Virgin Mary was pro-choice. Memory serves. For Paxton, I mean, let's face it, it's kind of obvious what you should. should do when running against Tala Rico if you are a Republican, especially in Texas. I think any of us would know exactly what to do. And Paxton absolutely does. Watch.

This campaign is not about red versus blue. It's about so much more. My opponent is the most extreme radical that Democrats have ever nominated. He's even running a vegan campaign, whatever that is. He goes by a few names that you may all have heard of. Some people know as tofu Tala Rico. Some people call him six-gender Jimmy. I've even heard some people call him James Talofriko. And others refer to him simply as low-tie Tala rica. But no matter what you call him, let me tell you this. James Tallerico is a threat to everything we hold dear in this state and in this country. He's a threat to our security and our safety. He wants open borders and even said a welcome that should be at our southern border. He's a threat to our children. He wants boys

and girls' sports. Gender mutilation surgery performed on kids. And when asked what he loved outside of his family and friends, you heard what Brandon Gill said. His first answer was trans kids. That's weird and that's a radical guy. How's you wrong? Tallerico for his part, seeking to make the case about Paxton's character. Paxton has been previously indicted on securities fraud and even impeached, though he's never been convicted or removed from office. Here's Tala Rico last night. Watch. Something just happened in Texas. The most corrupt politician in America just became the Republican nominee for the United States Senate. Three years ago, Ken Paxton was impeached by his own party for using his public office

to enrich himself and his donors at the expense of the people. That kind of corruption is the rot at the core of this broken system. It's why we can't afford anything. It's why we can't get ahead no matter how hard we work. Ken Paxton has gotten away with it. They've all gotten away with it. But that ends this year. If we the people can come together to defeat the most corrupt politician in America,

we can defeat this entire corrupt system. We can start unrigging this economy. We can start raising our pay, cutting our taxes, lowering our costs. We can finally get ahead. It's time to come together. The people versus Ken Paxton. That's clearly going to be his slogan. It's weird looking at him.

It reminds me, you know, I have our youngest is 12, Thatcher, and he has a little buddy who, I mean, none of these boys has really completed their puberty yet. They're all 12. And this boy's right, you know, he's very young, just like Thatcher. But he has the deepest voice. He has like a deep man voice. It's actually kind of funny listening to this, you know, kid where you're 12, you're pretty scrawny for the most part. You haven't developed any muscles yet. They're working on it. Pretty much all of them working on it. But you're very young and you're very fresh-faced. And yet his buddy's got this very deep voice. That's what Tala Rico reminds me of. Like a little boy with an unusually mismatched deep voice. When you just listen to him, like the people listening to this, on Sirius XM or on podcast, I think you would picture a much larger, more manly man. Then you see this guy and it's like, don't you have like to get back to school for your PE class?

Look at him. He just like, it looks like he needs to wear a tie too. And he's one of those politicians who should be praying that he goes prematurely gray, just to be taken a little bit more seriously. Yeah. So this is, I just think, I think Ken Paxson is going to make mincemeat of this guy. That's my own personal. I think he's just going to crush this kid. I do. But I could be wrong because the polls are showing something different as of today. They show a tight race with Tala Rico leading

by 1.5 points over Paxton in the real clear politics average. Now, Paxton has been getting hammered by Cornyn in ad after ad after ad. That's not going to stop. The ads are just going to switch to now paid and funded by Tala Rico. But question query whether all all the bad Paxton attacks have already been factored in by at least Republicans. Like, will they really depressed turnout for Paxton? I don't know. I don't think so. I think Cornyn would have depressed turnout for Republicans. But look, let's ask somebody who's actually full-time in the business of politics. Well, sort of. His name is Tom Bevin. He's the co-founder and president of Real Clear Politics. And he's co-host of the show on

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Armour.com slash Megan. Tom, welcome back. So I don't know. What does your gut tell you? I just think that Ken Paxton's going to wipe the floor with this fresh-faced, six-gender, Jesus is non-binary guy. You know, I don't know that he's going to wipe the floor with him, but I still think this is an uphill battle for the Democrats, right?

They dream of turning Texas blue. it almost happened in 2018, Beto O'Rourke against Ted Cruz. He lost by about 2.6 percentage points. That's as close as they've come, as you mentioned, in 30 years to winning a statewide race. And so it's going to be amazing if this guy, James Tolariko, turns out to be the guy who does turn Texas blue, because to the points that you were just making, he doesn't even code like he's from Texas at all. He talks about running a vegan campaign and all these things. You know, they nominated last time around, they nominated Colin Allred, who's like a big strapping former football star from the state.

You know, I mean, at least he seemed like a Democrat that could win in Texas and he got destroyed. Now, both times, you know, the last couple races, Trump has been on the top of the ticket. And that has really helped Republicans. This is a situation where Trump is not on the top of the ticket. And so in some ways, it's a best case scenario for Democrats. They're going to be unified. They're going to turn out in full force to vote for this guy. And then the question is, can Ken Paxson, you know, will his troops turn out?

There's going to be a slice of Republicans who voted for John Cornyn, right, who are not going to vote for Ken Paxon. And it's not going to be a huge slice, but it's going to be, you know, it's going to be a few percentage points. And all those percentage points are going to matter. Are they going to vote for James Tolariko? I don't believe so. I think they'll just stay home and they'll just say, I'm going to sit this one out. So you combine those things, total, you know, unity on the Democratic side. you know, a little depression in the Republican side and some points that slip away and then

independence. But, you know, you're right. I mean, this is going to be, it's going to, Tala Rico is going to try and keep it focused on the economy and issues and corruption. But on the Republican side, this is all going to be culture war stuff. I mean, this is all going to be, this guy cannot, you know, Ken Paxson's argument is basically going to be, look, I'm a flawed guy. You may not like me, but you can't elect him because he's crazy. And he has all these radical ideas about immigration and sexuality and religion and all these things. And he's just, he's too far outside of the mainstream for Texas. And so I agree with you, Megan. I think, I don't think it's, he's going to wipe the floor with him. But I think Ken Paxson, you know,

if I'm putting money down on it, I think he's still the favorite. It's still an uphill battle for Democrats in Texas. I spell. Okay. So Texas has Austin. I'm sure that reminds me of my kids' little state capitals. Texas has Austin. then we go north to Massachusetts, Boston, California, Albany, New York. Anyway, if you have young kids, you know you have to memorize this song to get the state capitals down. So Texas has Austin, which is blue. But the rest of Texas is still pretty red. I mean, I was just down there in the fall in Sugar Land and in Fort Worth and in San Antonio on my tour.

And I met thousands and thousands of Texans. These people are never going to vote. for Tala Rico, no matter if they have some issue with Ken Paxton or for that matter, Trump or not. These are diehard red, white, and blue Americans who will never vote for someone who says there's six genders. Hell no, they're not going to. And in fact, whatever they think about Paxton, this will make them get off their couches and make sure that this ridiculous person doesn't win.

I'm going out. I'm saying it on the record. It's not going to happen. I think I think Paxton's going to win and he's going to win easily. I don't think Cook political report is right to move this race now that Paxton's the nominee from likely Republican to just leans Republican with a warning that they might be moving it to toss up depending on how things go. I disagree. Cook, you may know political races, but I know Texas. I just I know that state and I know the voters down there. It's just no fucking way. Are they going to vote for this guy? Just can't. Okay. That's just where I am. Now he knows he's in trouble Tala Rico does because, let's face it, they went with the red meat Republican and good, like good, because I do think he can generate enthusiasm in a way Corny and couldn't with all due respect. I think he's a good man, but pretty swampy, and I'll get to that in a second.

So they went with the red meat Republican, and already he started launching his attacks, Tom, on Tala Rico, and you heard some of it there. He's workshopping some nicknames, I see. I like it. I'm into them. But the vegan thing is interesting because what do you associate, what do you think of when you think of Texas? You think of cowboy hats, rodeos, steak, wrangler jeans, and their love of their state. That's what I think of when I think of Texas. And you don't go to Texas and say, I'm a vegan. In the same way, you don't go to Iowa as a politician and say, I don't eat corn. Like it's just certain things are not done.

But he did it because he's an idiot. He's a woke, leftist dope. So here, let me start with what he's saying now, this Tala Rico guy. He went on with the Midas touch guys. That's a Democrat podcast and tried to claim it's not true. We heard Trump last week being like, he's a vegan. He's a vegan. Right.

It's funny. Trump's like, I don't even know what that is. All he do is eat at McDonald's. And he took. tried to deny any piece of that on this podcast. And a new ad he's put out tries to deny it, too. Watch. And you know, I'm an eighth generation Texan. I've been eating barbecue since before Ken Paxton's first indictment. And if all they have on me is lying about me being a vegan, I feel pretty good about our chances this November. And you're absolutely right. You know,

so many of my family members, my friends, my neighbors who voted for Donald Trump in 2024, They voted for him because they thought he was going to lower costs. They thought he was going to end the forever wars. They thought he was going to release the Epstein files and drain the swamp. But just one year later, they've seen how he's done the exact opposite. So there's a lot of disillusionment. And what I'm trying to do is speak directly to those Texans who feel disillusioned, who feel like this system doesn't work for them,

that it only works for billionaires and puppet politicians like Paxton and Cornyn. And I think if we can bring those Texans... All right. We get the general message. You get it. And I would like to speak to those disaffected Texas as well. I, too, am against the war in Iran. I, too, one of the Epstein files disclosed without Trump objections. I would never in a million years vote for this lunatic. It doesn't matter. No president is perfect. You cannot vote for that man. Like, you cannot do it. You are actually physically endangering the children of Texas and beyond, because this is a U.S. role, a federal role that you're electing this next candidate to. So no. But there he is denying that he is a non-meat eater and, you know, scoffing at the vegan charge. And just today we saw, it came out in mid-March, he put out a picture of him. It reads official statement from James Talarico on vegan accusations. And it shows him in a Texas red, white and blue shirt, eating an enormous piece of beef at a barbecue. Okay. And, and, you know,

You heard him there like, I've been eating barbecue forever. Well, it's not true. This is not a made up thing. In 2022, when he was running for the Texas State House, listen to what he said. Sot 10. We have, I think, heard more and more issues of animal welfare. I think not just because it's the right thing to do and the moral thing to do, but also it's, as all of you know, necessary to fight climate change.

It is now existential that we try to reduce our. meat consumption and that we try to respect animals in all aspects of society. And so I am proud to say that our campaign has officially become a non-meat campaign. So we have, we are, we are only buying vegan products from our local vegan businesses. Some of you may know big nonas. They were little nonas and then they opened up brick and mortar, some of their big nonas. But we just got our pizza from there today. And so the point is that I think all of us, not just policymakers, but everyone has to take personal responsibility in this effort. You are busted. And why are you wearing a mask in 2022? That's his deal breaker in and of itself.

But he's so busted, Tom. It's right there on tape. He's not going to be able to get away with this shit. No, and that's the problem with all these comments. I mean, this is not, this is just Republicans playing his own words to the public. So he's not going to be able to get away with saying they're lying about me. They're taking stuff out of contact. It's all right there. You know, this reminds me, Megan. Do you remember white dudes for Kamala Harris? I mean, you know, the idea that they're trying to win over, you know, male voters. And so he gets accused of being vegan.

What does he do? He goes and, like, gets this giant, you know, piece of meat, like this turkey leg thing and tries to pretend like he's basically like a whole cow. Yeah, it's like they don't know how to do it. I mean, he clearly does not know. how to act like a like a manly man. I mean, I don't know how else to put it. Yes. And so that's going to be a real problem for the campaign. And obviously the Paxson folks are going to get as much mileage out of that as they can. So he is, in fact, on record is showing that he has been eating

vegan. I mean, what, well, what, like, what could be the possible alternative? You weren't eating vegan in your personal life, but you tried to tout that, you know, your campaign ate vegan? Like, were you lying then or now? Did you want the electorate to believe you were a vegan? Because you thought it would help you then. But you were secretly going home at night and eating that enormous piece of beef that you're showing us in that picture.

Well, then you were lying. You were being disingenuous when you said that with your double mask in 2022 in front of a group, whatever it was. You can't have it both ways. So now he says, I've been eating meat since before he first got indicted and he shows the huge, when did you pick it back up? I mean, honestly, this. podcaster should have said, when did you start eating meat again?

Because you made a point out of saying you didn't eat it in the 2022 campaign. Were you trying to make a distinction between your personal life and your professional life? Isn't that a distinction without a difference? I'm pretty sure if you're a vegan, you're round the clock vegan? I'm not, it's like when my brother-in-law, whose wife had declared they're going vegan, was like secretly sneaking beef and we're like, aren't you guys vegan? now and he was like, I don't like labels.

Right. No, it's, again, he's not going to be able to get away with it because it's all on tape. Excuse me, but even the broader context of that clip. And also, but here's the other piece of it. And I'll give it back to you, but the other piece of it is just like, they do care whether you eat beef down in Texas. I actually think that they do care. But the lying, he's clearly lying already.

Right. Like, that's the kickoff to his general election campaign is a big, fat lie. on the Midas Touch podcast. Go ahead. No, even the rest of the context of that clip, right? He was talking about animal welfare and climate change and Texas. I mean, it's like, really, this is, you know, and again, he gets applause. Cut to the Fred Flintstone on the bone. Yeah, no, and he gets applause because he's speaking to this niche group of far left sort of progressives. You mentioned Austin, but there's also, you know, Houston, all the, all the urban areas have gotten, have gotten more left-wing over time in Texas with all these folks who've moved in. And that's, quite frankly, the Democrats hope.

There are 18.6 million registered voters in Texas now, which is up from, up 5% from just the last cycle. So it's been growing. And that's why Democrats think they have a chance at finally turning Texas blue because they've got all these imports from California and elsewhere. I'm going to give you a little bit from Jesse Kelly, also a resident. of the MK Channel on SiriusXM. And he lives in Texas in Houston, and he has been very, very clear that Senator John Cornyn needed to lose this race.

And it's interesting to me because the establishment, for lack of a better term, Republicans on Capitol Hill, did not want Paxton at all. Right. Like there was a report last week that John Thune, when he heard of Trump's endorsement, was like, you know,

the president's going to do. do what he thinks is right? And the report was he then threw up his left arm, which if you know anything about John Thune, they pointed out, is like a dramatic statement. You know, he's a very measured guy. But clearly he was frustrated. And that's him being diplomatic. But he was frustrated and the more moderate Republicans. And he's at the top of the Republican food chain in the Senate. And they thought Cornyn would be an easier candidate to get across the finish line in a general election because he doesn't have this same baggage that Ken Paxton has. Cornyn has different baggage.

And it really is kind of interesting on whether this race says something about where the Republican Party is going. You know, I get it. Like, let's check Paxton's baggage for a second because he wasn't convicted either when he got impeached. Because an impeachment is like an indictment sort of in the legislature that then you have to be convicted on. Same way Trump was not convicted in the Senate of his impeachments. Neither was Paxton. he did face an indictment criminally that he somehow managed to kind of beat. He never pleaded guilty.

But then he did agree to a mild punishment. In any event, put that to the side because the, like, brash, middle finger starting millions of fights. This guy, I love Ken Paxton because I love all the legal fights he's chosen. Like, over the years, every single one I've been like, yes, yes, who is this guy? This is amazing. You know, like every single thing he's taken, so he's not afraid. And, you know, Corny, again, doesn't seem like a bad person, though swampy. But just like two, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

And I do wonder, I'm going to play this sound about you tell me whether this tells us something about the mindset of Republicans in Texas and beyond about where they'd like to see their party go. Watch. I mean, everybody talks about rhinos and draining the swamp and Washington. DC corruption. I mean, John Cornyn is the face of all that. John Cornyn, as a Texas senator, is an amnesty guy. He's talked about it multiple times, how he wants to do an amnesty deal for illegals. After that horrible Yuvaldi school shooting, John Cornyn was the one who worked with Democrats to pass gun control legislation. John Cornyn has screwed over the right time and time and time again. But John Cornyn is insanely powerful. He's a very high-ranking Republican, and he

keeps the swamp full. And John Cornyn's one of these guys who keeps a lot of pockets full in D.C. Of course, it's always taxpayer money. He finds a way to get money spread around Washington, D.C., like so many of these long-established senators do. And then miraculously, when he comes up for re-election, instead of having a normal war chest, John Cornyn had $100 million to spend on the primary alone. Why do you think they did that? Because they love his winning personality. They did that because the guy spent 20 plus years funneling money back to them and he's going to spend the next six doing the exact same thing. It's all about money and power. It's everything gross that grosses normal people out about politics is this exact race right here. Pretty good, Tom.

What do you think? Yeah, there's definitely something to it. I mean, I don't know that Cornyn was seen as as corrupt, but he definitely, you know, he was seen as part of the establishment and that's not where the base of the party is. I mean, this is the lesson for all of these politicians, and we see this on the left and the right, which is when you stop responding to the wants and desires of your constituents, you're going to get replaced. And that's exactly what happened. He was not responding to the MAGA base in Texas. He was still running sort of the George W. Bush, you know, Republican Party playbook in Washington, D.C. And so he was promptly shown the door. And as you mentioned at this top of the show, I mean, Paxon was a head.

in the polls, but I don't think anybody saw it being a 30-point blowout, which is what it ended up being. And so I think that was a pretty emphatic answer by the base of the party in Texas, that they had had enough of this guy and they wanted somebody new who they feel like is going to fight for what they want. Yep. Jesse's show is called I'm right, and I think he's feeling that way today. Back to the now Paxton-Talorico matchup, there was a little debate about this on CNN between David Axelrod and Scott Jennings. Both, I think, doing a pretty good job of articulating what we're going to see over the next couple of months as this fight starts to play out. This is a big one. This is a big one. Democrats feel like this could be a dem pickup. And they feel like Republicans have

just helped them. So it's interesting to hear what Axelrod is saying and how Jennings is ending it, you know, preview of the next, of the summer months. Watch. The Texas economy isn't great. People have concerns about affordability. The Hispanic vote in Texas, which was very strong for Donald Trump in 2024, is now by double digits in Tali Rico's corner in this race. I don't think security fraud is mainstream in Texas or some of the other problems that Paxton's, I don't think paying

$6 million or millions of dollars out to whistleblowers because of the abuse of them by Paxton, who they blew the whistle on, is mainstream. I don't think that's what people think in Texas. I don't think six genders, no meat, and calling the American flag a complicated symbol is mainstream. We'll fight it out. But I think at the end of the day, people are going to want someone who's going to speak to their concerns. And this is not their main concern.

We ran that race in 24. Trump got elected. I'm not sure it's going to play in 26. And Democrats learn nothing. You heard Axelrod try to wiggle on those accusations by Jenning. I mean, we've already gone through them. They're on camera. The wiggling is not going to fly. He's said what he's said. It wasn't in the distant past. You're going to have

to deal with it. He actually is very radical, this guy. And no amount of ribs dripping in barbecue sauce will save him. All that is required to sink him is an exposure of things he's actually said, similar to Kamala Harris, frankly.

But those are sort of the battle lines. And Ken Paxton, you tell me, Tom. So I hadn't actually been paying that much attention, to be honest, to his issues in his past. But there are quite a few. He's got a fair amount of baggage. Does any of them stick, do you think? Do any of them stick around and actually gain traction now that it's Dem versus Republican in Texas? Well, look, I think, and you saw it.

Tala Rico, he's going to argue, you know, corruption and that he's corrupt and that he's part of, you know, the Republican Party from top to bottom from Trump and his, you know, $1.8 billion dollar anti-weaponation slash slush fund and the ballroom and all that stuff, that Ken Paxson is just a corrupt foot soldier in Trump's, you know, corrupt Republican army. Will that have some, some sway with voters? Yeah, probably a little bit. Certainly the economy is still the number one issue, and that is going to be. be where I think Tala RICO is going to make his his best points is that look Trump promised all

these things he didn't deliver I'm going to go and try and deliver on on behalf of Texans however and you're right Kim Paxon has he's got issues he's got marital issues in his past I mean all these things are going to be sort of in the background but Tala Rico is just as we've talked about repeatedly look Tala RICO has I think he raised earth shattering it was like a record setting $27 million in the first quarter, they're going to spend $200, $250 million on this race when all of said and done both sides. It's going to be an absolute bruising battle. And so both of these candidates are going to take their hits. But eventually, the public is going to be fully informed about both these candidates. And they're going to have to stand on stage one on one.

And Ken Paxson is going to be able to, you know, and Tala Rico is going to have to defend those statements. And he may try and say, well, he's lying about me. I never said this. But to your point, I don't think that's going to fly if you've seen on television for. for six months, him actually saying all of these things. So it's going to be, it's going to be an absolute barn burner of race. And obviously, you know, this is a race that Republicans would rather not spend all of the time and hundreds of millions of dollars on. They'd rather be spending it on other races and other parts of the country. But, but we are where we are. It's, it is going to be an interesting case, test case, because both, both bases got what they want, right?

The Democratic base got their left-wing darling, who, who they think is, going to finally turn the state blue and Republicans got their mega red meat guy who's going to you know take it to him and so we'll see it's going to be fun to watch. Yeah. That word on the economy for the first time in recent days, the rate of inflation is higher than the wage growth across the United States. So people's wage growth is not keeping up with the price of inflation. Wage growth was, I think, 3.6, and inflation is 3.8. That's not good. That's going to become a Democratic talking point. Yet another reason why we need to get inflation down, why we need to wrap up the war, why we need to actually be focused on economic issues if we want to continue

seeing people like Tala Rico get defeated. I want to talk about Paxton's past, but just as a quick side aside, I mentioned it in the intro. Tala Rico, he goes to the St. Andrews Presbyterian Church where he's working on becoming some sort of a minister. And The Daily Wire reporting this morning, there the children have access to a library stocked with banned books that promote ideas rejected by most Christians, including books that contain descriptions of anal rape, incest, and oral sex. There is a book called Gender Queer.

We've talked about that before. All boys aren't blue, which discusses anal rape and incest, sorry. Other books in the church catalog include this book is gay, trans kids, our kids, called out the voices and gifts of LGBTQ Presbyterians, the courage to be queer, becoming Nicole, the transformation of an American family, which is about a boy who's trying to turn into a girl, which is not possible. This book is gay has a chapter on the ins and outs of gay sex. I mean, I think we can figure it out. And this is being offered in a church, in a Presbyterian church that he attends and where he'd like to become a minister,

the book, The Courage to Be Queer claims that God is queer, which dovetails well with his belief that God is non-binary. So it's not a one-off. And this is the same church where Talarico delivered his sermon that asserted, our trans community needs abortion care too. Needs abortion care. Like this guy, Tom, this guy, this. this can't, if not only would I be excited to run against him if I were Ken Paxton, but I'd be thrilled on the national Republican level to hang this guy like an albatross around the neck of every Democrat, same as they're going to do with Mom Donnie. Do you agree with that?

Do you, what do you stand on this? Do you support his candidacy? Do you believe that there are six genders? Do you think God is queer? Do you think that transgender people need abortion care? Like, that's what they should do. do over and over and over. There should be 10,000 ads almost immediately. Across the country, talking about how radical these Democrats are, how they've learned to be

a little quiet about it. But this is who they're nominating. Yeah, it's, look, I'll just go back. This is not California. This is not Illinois. This is not New York. This is Texas. And so that story, while in those other blue states, it might not be seen as big of a deal. I think this story is going to haunt him. And, you know, we'll see also how the media handles him and whether they hold his feet to the fire and they ask him tough questions about things like this story or they just kind of give him a pass. And that remains to be seen because even the media in Texas is, you know, slants to the left for the most part. So, you know, it's interesting too, Megan. You talk about, and we talked about this a little bit on our program because we talked about Graham Platner.

And you look at these candidates. I mean, it is going to be astonishing. If in a year, which is seen as like a blue wave year, Democrats are almost certainly going to take the House of Representatives and, you know, gas is $4.5 a gallon. Trump's approval ratings at its lowest level in his second term in our RCP average and Republicans are sort of fighting uphill battles, if Democrats throw away three Senate races that they could win in Texas

with Graham Platner up in Maine, and if they nominate El Sayed in Michigan, that could be another one that Republicans actually win a seat. And we've seen this happen in the past. Republicans have done it. They did it with Sharon Engel when she was running against Harry Reid, Christine O'Donnell, Todd Aiken. It happens.

Even in good years for a party, they nominate someone who is so far outside of the mainstream that they can't get them across the finish line, even with a big tailwind. And that might be a situation that Democrats find themselves and not just Texas, but other states as well. Mm-hmm. It's a very good point.

The Paxton issues relate to his behavior, for the most part, in office. He also is accused of having a couple of affairs on his wife. I'm not sure Republican voters care about that anymore. You know, look who our president is. I kind of feel like the argument, like, by Heather McDonald, that, like, you can't regulate. Eros, she says. Do you remember, can I just make a quick comment?

Do you remember in the 2000 election when the biggest story was that George Bush had gotten a DUI like 20 years before? And that was the big dirt that dropped the weekend. I mean, that wouldn't even make a ripple in today's environment. No one would care. And I agree with you. The idea of like, you know, an affair here and there is so passe now. It's like, I don't know that anybody cares about that anymore. more on either side. I know. I'm like, okay, so he has been unhappily married. Got it. Okay.

But they may care about some of these, I don't know, I'll tell you what it is. So my team has done this research and used, among others, ABC in Texas. Several months after taking office as Attorney General in 2015, he was indicted on felony securities fraud charges in Texas and was accused of misleading investors in a company years earlier. So securities fraud. in connection with his time in the private sector. And he would have faced decades in prison if convicted. The case dragged on for nearly nine years. It ended in a pretrial agreement in March 24

that required him to complete community service and pay restitution, but he did not have to enter a plea under the deal. So that means he's not technically convicted, but he made this case go away by paying some money and doing some community service. That's an amazing outcome. for anybody charged the crime. Anybody would take that. I don't know how he got it, but good for him,

because that's a good outcome. Along the way, he also faced a civil case based on similar allegations brought by the SEC, but that was thrown out by the judge in 2016. So the SEC could not make the case against him. And clearly the federal securities fraud charges brought against him in Texas, the prosecutor did not have faith in making them in court because they wouldn't have agreed to such a sweetheart deal for Paxton if they believed in them. So I've got an asterisk on both of those on that particular controversy about his federal security fraud charges. I've got an asterisk. It's not great, but I don't think they got him. Then in 2020, a group of top Paxton deputies reported him to the FBI voicing concern that he was abusing his office. Now, these are

Paxton deputies, so these are going to be Republicans. These are not Democrats doing a hit job on him. their top Paxton deputies who reported him to the FBI voicing concerns that he was abusing his office as the AG to help an Austin real estate investor and political donor by the name of Nate Paul. Some of the Paxton employees resigned, but four were fired, and they later sued Paxton under the Texas Whistleblower Act. He fought bitterly with the former aides in court and in public branding them rogue and disgruntled, and in 2025, a Travis County District Court judge agreed that the former aides were improperly fired and awarded them $6.6 million. Paxton appealed, but then dropped his appeal a few months later after announcing his Senate campaign.

So he abandoned his appeal, and it appears to be acknowledged then that he owed those four fired alleged whistleblowers $6.6 million. The FBI investigated the whistleblower claims against him, but the Justice Department declined to prosecute. and you may think, ah, that's Trump. He endorsed him. No, it was Joe Biden's DOJ that said, there is no there there. Whatever. This is a civil matter, if anything. And they declined to pursue it. The DOJ did not go after Paxton. The claims by the whistleblowers were central to the impeachment that was brought against him in the Texas House in 2023. That was a Republican control. old body that impeached him, but he was acquitted in the Senate on all 16 articles of impeachment that were brought against him, including one that accused him of bribery and so on. So that, it's a

checkered history for sure. I guess, you know, politics as they say, Tom, it ain't beamball. No, it's not. And look, it's the most damning part about that is that it was, you know, the whistleblowers were Republicans. And he was in. impeached by Republicans because that is something, you know, you can't just wave away. It's like, oh, it's a partisan witch hunt, right? And that's obviously what Tala Rico is going to. And this $6 million settlement is also something that Tala RICO was already talked about. And whether that was, you know, spending taxpayer payer money to clean up after this corrupt guy. I mean, he's going to continue to use that as an argument.

So, yeah, he's got baggage. I mean, everybody knew about this ahead of time. They knew about the infidelity stuff. And so, you know, but they nominated them warts and all. And so this is what the Republican Party wanted and it's what they got. And again, we may look back at this and say it was a terrible decision by Donald Trump to wait in and endorse him. He probably was going to win anyway. And maybe Republicans are the ones who have nominated someone who's outside the mainstream and will cost them a race that they probably would have otherwise won.

Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah, well, one of these people is going to be too radical for Texas, and it's clearly going to be Tallarico. But anyway, the, this is the reason Thune threw up his arm, you know, because Thune, of course, thought Cornyn was going to be easier to get across the finish line in November. And by the way, the polling didn't totally support that either, Megan. It was like Talarico and the polling data, the general election matchups, you know, Cornyn was running like a point better than then, which is basically statistically. noise. I mean, they were basically, Republicans were running even against Tala Rico. I think he was

leading by a point and a half one and a half a point in the other, something like that. It was, it was not some dramatic, like, John Cornyn is going to win this race by 10 points and Ken Paxton's going to lose it by five. I mean, it was basically the same. Well, Thune and other top Republicans are reportedly also worried about the money in the Republican coffers saying, we don't, Ken Paxton, as they say, notoriously bad at raising money, and that this is going to cost the national GOP $100 million, which they didn't have to spend. That Cornyn would have been a shoe-in. I don't know.

But that's apparently another objection that the more establishment Republicans have. Really, one of the things that this came down to, though, Tom, in my estimation from my corner of the world, is the SAVE Act, because the SAVE Act is this federal bill that would require voter ID everywhere on a national level, among other things. It would just tighten up the voting restrictions or requirements state to state for these elections. And there's no way of getting it passed without getting rid of the filibuster or changing the filibuster in some way. You can switch to the, you know, requiring the actual verbal filibustering where like you can't just say, we filibuster. And they say, okay, it's filibustered, we're screwed. You could bring back the actual verbal

filibuster where you just actually have to have a senator. Fillebusters stopping the debate on this thing. Yeah. Over and over, nonstop. But, or you could actually have a vote to eliminate the filibuster and along with it, minority rights in the Senate. And that could be done with the votes that we have now in the Republican Senate, Republican-controlled Senate. It can be done, it can be done by majority vote. I actually look this up.

Okay, so this is how it would go. You'd have to have, you'd have to have a rules change. you'd have to have somebody try to bring the SAVE Act to the floor. And then somebody would say, okay, well, we filibuster the vote. You don't have 60 votes to bring it to the floor. And then they'd have to have sort of a point of order within the Senate. And the Republicans would basically have this Republican, I think maybe the parliamentarian, would have to overrule the filibuster, like overrule it.

and say, we're not going to stop debate on this. We are going to bring it to the floor. And therefore, changing the filibuster and the minority rights in the Senate forever. There are many, many Republicans who want this done, Tom, because they think the Democrats are going to do it when they get control. Some say, let's just do it on a limited basis,

the way we first got rid of it for federal court district judges. And then Republicans said, we're going to pull it for Supreme Court judges too. Maybe you could do it on just election-related bills. Cornyn was dragging his feet on it, but eventually he said, okay, I'll do it, because he knew his electoral chances were dwindling. they still don't have the votes.

They don't have the Republican votes to do it. They do not have 51 Republican senators who would do it. So where does that leave us on the SAVE Act, this whole thing? Well, you know, that was interesting because when after the initial primary, right, Trump weighed in and was like basically offered to endorse Cornyn if he would publicly come out in favor of moving the SAVE Act, right? And it was almost like a quid pro quo for the endorsement. Yeah. And that's the other thing. So, and by the way, I don't, Trump has been out, very outspoken.

He's been hammering on the Republicans in the Senate to do this, right? He break the filibuster, get this done. Because he knows once this election comes through, I mean, he's basically going to be a lame duck. And it's going to be very hard for them to get anything done, particularly if they do lose the Senate. But I also think the Trump has, it's been so weird. Like he congratulated Ken Paxton today, but also was like, John Cornyn's going to be a good friend of mine for a long time. And I mean, he's been very favorably disposed. Normally, you know, everyone's talking about Trump's revenge tour.

And he's taking out all these folks that have crossed him in some way, Bill Cassidy here and, you know, Thomas Massey over there. John Cornyn didn't seem to, he seemed to like John Cornyn. It's not that John Cornyn did anything. It was a base play. Yes. It was a base. Trump needed to give the base a bone. The base is mad about Epstein.

There are a lot of the base who don't love Iran. This is like a no-brainer. It's for the Jesse Kellys of the world. I'm sick of being disappointing. He saw the wind was blowing. He saw the wind was blowing in Ken Paxson's direction and sort of jumped on the bandwike. He would never say that, but that's effectively what happened. Yeah, and got his way. And Jesse Kelly got his way, which we're happy about too. All right, Tom, thank you very much. Coming up next, a bizarre and gripping royal deep dive.

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Jeffrey Epstein before he died and Galane Maxwell. So this thing is a must-read summer book, to say the least. The book is entitled The Rise and Fall of the House of York, entitled. It's called Entitled, the Rise and Fall of the House of York. And it's available right now. I think you're going to enjoy it. Andrew, welcome to the show. Lovely to be with you.

It's wonderful to see you. I mean, my jaw was on the floor reading this. book. I don't even know where to begin. A couple of highlights up front here from the notes that we took. He, as I said in the tease for your book at the top of the hour, it wasn't just Virginia Dufray, who was a young woman with whom he allegedly slept, the Jeffrey Epstein young woman. You say he had multiple requests. It was kind of standard for 16-year-old blondes while traveling as the UK envoy, that he was known for allegedly groping young girls at paris. parties and stewardesses on planes and of, for example, sending pictures, naked pictures

to senior army officers, including the chief of the defense staff, that it was an open secret. What a creepy was when it came to young girls and women. Yeah, it's extraordinary. I mean, these stories with people on the record have never really emerged. And I'm just amazed that, you know, that they haven't because he was extraordinary. with his predatory behavior. And he's finally being called out. In fact, I only used about 10% of the material I had.

I've added another 40 pages to the paperback. But I just had so many of these stories, again with people on the record, former protection officers, policemen, members of staff, that, you know, you just can't ignore them. So it reminded me of when he went on with the BBC, when the allegations of him and Virginia Dufray

and his connections with Epstein and his renewal of the friendship, even after Epstein struck that plea deal on a solicitation of an underage prostitute, which again is not a thing. But in any event, you can't be prostitute if you're underage. That's called rape or sexual assault. In any event, he gave a disastrous interview to the BBC that was just so bad. It was kind of the end of him as a public figure. But he, of course, was asked about the Virginia Jufre allegation.

She's the young blonde who was in that infamous picture of Prince, Andrew at an Epstein party with Galane Maxwell, and he tried to deny any knowledge of her, but here's a bit from that, 51B. July of this year, Epstein was arrested on charges of sex trafficking and abusing dozens of underage girls. One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you. She says she met you in 2001. She says she dined with you, danced with you, at Tramp Nightclub in London.

She went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia belonging to Girlen Maxwell, your friend. Your response? I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady. None whatsoever. You don't remember meeting her. No. She says she met you in 2001. She dined with you.

She danced with you. You bought her drinks. You were in Tramp Nightclub in London. and she went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia belonging to Girlane Maxwell. Didn't happen. Do you remember her? No. I've no recollection of ever meeting her. I'm almost, in fact, I'm convinced that I was never in tramps with her.

There are a number of things that are wrong with that story. one of which is that I don't know where the bar isn't in tramps. I don't drink. I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Tramp whenever I was there. This is like every lie detecting skill I have is going, eh, eh, it's like so many lies there. It's so obvious. But the reason I raise it is because Andrew, there were. multiple, it's possible he didn't remember her. It actually is possible. I see the sound by a little

differently here because there appears to have, it looks like there was a girl in every port. I mean, there were certainly a lot of girls, absolutely. I mean, but the fact is that he ordered Virginia Jiffrey off a catalog, in effect. There were these books of photographs that were circulated, and he kind of, it's not by chance that she was brought to him. We know from some of the Epstein file releases that he was actually discussing Virginia Geoffrey in her story as soon as the story broke. They were looking at waste as how they could discredit her. A PR firm was brought in to do that.

And that continues to this day. If you've gone to Tramp, you'll know that the bar is literally on the dance floor. You can't literally go there without seeing the bar. I had countless people say that actually he does drink. And it was an extraordinary thing. He was lying about things he didn't even need to lie about. And that was what I found with the book, both he and Sarah Ferguson. and every single thing they said had to be double-checked

because you couldn't believe a single thing. The book points something out that's actually very sad, and I confess maybe view Queen Elizabeth differently, but you suggest that he had a sexual experience as young as age eight with somebody, which, again, would not be a sexual experience. That would be an assault of some sort, if it's with anybody who's older.

And that by the time he was 12, I think you write, he'd had at least half a dozen sexual partners. I mean, this is horrific to me, like what happened to him when he was young and really did make me start to reassess the queen, who was not just a queen, but was his mother. Yes, absolutely. I mean, it's an extraordinary story.

I was very nervous about putting it in. It seemed far-fetched, but it came from a good source. It does, in some ways, present him as a victim. It does explain the sex addiction, the inability to sustain relationships, the constant need for sex workers. And certainly talking that came from a good source, I got other sources saying similar things, involvement with other members of female members of staff there. I mean, he was physically quite well developed, though emotionally kind of arrested. And, I mean, these stories don't seem to be unique. I mean, to us, they seem shocking. But I think

Diana's brother talks about a similar experience when he was at prep school. So I kind of put it in there, hoping it might flush out more people. And some people have come forward with more stories to back it up. So it does paint him in a slightly different light. And I was very keen that this shouldn't be a hatchet job. I should try and present him as balanced way as I could. I should be as sympathetic as I could towards him to try and explain his behavior. And I think this does give us some other new insights.

But you're absolutely right. The Queen does not emerge well from this book. I was vilified when the book came out for even suggesting that she could have put her own family ahead of the crown, for example, and that she should have behaved in this way. But mothers do have blind spots, and it's now, in some ways, becoming clearer and clearer that she did make all sorts of excuses for her son. She kind of buried her head in the sand,

if anything was brought to her about some of his activities. and the palace itself is now trying to shift the blame onto the Queen to protect the King, King Charles. I mean, she certainly was involved in paying the hush money to Virginia Jiffrey, the £12 million to keep her quiet. And she was aware of what was going on. She couldn't not be aware. Not only was the story in the press the whole time, but actually her own lawyers were being written to by various people with stories about Andrews' activities. And members of the intelligence services and the Foreign Office were called. constantly giving her stories of his bad behavior.

But just to round back, are you suggesting you do not have that nailed down? Because that's quite a thing to put in your book if you don't have it nailed down. You say, according to a source close to Andrew, he had his first sexual experience aged eight, lost his virginity at 11 after a friend's father hired two escorts for the boys in a West End hotel. I mean, is there doubt in your mind? Because in fairness to Prince Andrew, that should be really clear. No, I mean, the source has proved to be very accurate. As I say, I was surprised the lawyers let it through, but other things have come to light since the book came out that kind of reinforced that story.

So I think that was, you know, it was justified to run it. And as I say, various things were going on in that prep school. It's not unique to have boys who have their sexual experience at that sort of early age. But I agree. I imagine if you're a prince, it's not hard to get girls, but like more than half a day. dozen before age 13 is the age you put here. That is, that's very damaging to a young boy. And it's just, to me, it's like very sad. I would imagine even if the queen isn't sitting there at prep school with him, isn't there someone who oversees these boys, like these, the royals

in particular to make sure that they're being brought up right, that there's adult supervision, that they're not being, I don't just take an advantage of by whoever allowed this to happen. You're absolutely right. I mean, there's a duty of care to, to someone of the that age. It is an extraordinary story. I stand by my source and as to say, other other new materials come along since then to back it up. But it is an extraordinary story. But it does in some ways explain his subsequent behavior, you know, his, his inability to sustain relationships and, you know, this constant need for mass sewers and sex workers and things. So I think it's... Well, and not just in the course of his life, but in the course of his marriage, because you also write,

He married Fergie and you have it from their former driver that he had slept with more than a dozen women before their first anniversary. I mean, is there, what is it like in these royal marriages? Is there any real covenant of fidelity or, like, is this an Andrew thing or is this a royal thing? Well, I think it's a royal naroscratic thing. I mean, we know from Sarah's own father that she was sort of, I mean, there was a physical attraction to start with, but they kind of quickly moved off in the different. directions. They both had had pretty racy lives as Bachelor and Spinster. It was a lot of pressure on both of them to settle down. And, I mean, as I say, her father had admitted that she was more in love with the royal family than she was with Andrew. And he was away very quickly. I mean, away for long

periods, either on naval bases or on ships. And she felt very lonely. She was stuck in this gloomy Buckingham Palace with very little support. And I'm afraid things began to happen on both sides. Yeah. So she also does not come up. She doesn't come off well in this book at all. I mean, she was a spendthrift. She couldn't spend enough of the British taxpayers' money. She seems to be a glutton. That's what I took away from the book, that she's a glutton for food, for alcohol, for cigarettes, for sexual partners. She lied about her relationship with Epstein, the book suggests, maintaining a very close friendship with him long after she claimed it was over, posed his guilty plea on that charge we discussed. What do you make of her after having studied and researched her for so long? Well, I think she's a very sort of Jekyll and Hyde character,

and there are a lot of very good qualities. She's loyal, she's generous. She can be very kind. She has this great ability, empathy with disadvantaged children. And she was seen as a breath of fresh air, of sort of Megan Markle character. She'd had her own career. She'd live with someone before she got married.

And it started off well. She was a popular member of the royal family. But quite quickly, she was seen to be taking advantage of a position. She was selling stories to the papers and photographs of her family. Sarah Ferguson we're talking about now. This is Sarah Ferguson. Not Markle. Yeah.

Yeah. And, well, I mean, Megan Markle, I think, has tried to model herself in many ways in Sarah Ferguson. and unfortunately there was very little control. And I think she realized she'd got into the Sweetie shop and she could take advantage. But I think she started off with a genuine wish to do good. I mean, she has done a lot of good work with various charities. But the problem is she gets confused between the lines you need to leave

between charitable work and financial interests, social ambitions, laundering your reputation, etc. Well, what does she come from? because when I read the story about Sarah Ferguson, Andrew's wife at the time, they're divorced now, but I thought this is a girl who like, she is now a royal and she is going to exploit it for everything it's worth. I mean, you write that at night she would down a handful of sizable vodkas, then take to the wine, her cigarette butts, littered the house despite her desperate attempts to give up, that she was putting on weight and depressed, that she was seen wandering aimlessly around without makeup, her eyes were tired,

looked like her soul was gone, she was no longer quite in control, that it shed light on her life at Sunning Hill, where they lived, I guess, where each evening staff would prepare up to 10 different types of pasta for her because weighed down with the cares of coping with royal life, she could never make up her mind what she wanted to eat. Her bills for food alone had escalated to 40,000 pounds a year. year. Based on the interviews with staff members, her foibles included demanding that all her knickers, bras, and tights be ironed. Not to mention when she sat down for breakfast in the morning, she wanted fresh-squeased orange juice, and the oranges had to be squeezed just as she sat down.

She had a staff of 17, which I'll list in a minute, but I mean, she was leaning in to the royal life, Andrew. Yes, exactly. No, she loved it. I mean, you know, as I say, it was like going to the sweetie shop. And she, you know, she's very extravagant. She can't decide. Someone described her as greedy and needy. And I think that does sum her up. And that's not a good combo. No, no, it's a very dangerous combo she discovered. And I think that was a problem. And there was no one there to give her any direction. I mean, her mother had gone away when she was 13 with an Argentinian polo player. Her husband was away. Her sister lived in Australia. And the palace kind of wash their hands a bit of her. And she just was this, she always had low self-esteem. She had problems

with her weight. She was taking lots of diet pills, which affected her moods. And, you know, she was a mess. And she's not an intelligent person. She was drawn to psychics. I think, talking to three or four different psychics a day. And she kind of lost direction in her life. I mean, there is a side to her where she can sort of pick herself up, when she falls right to the bottom and through just sheer perseverance and her work and self-discipline, which is not a word you normally associate with her, she can do amazing things. She was a great advert for Weight Watchers in the States, later for Wedgewood China. And a lot of companies were very happy to pay a large sums of money to act as a brand ambassador. So, but you also point out on the excesses. She employed

the staff of 17, including a cook driver made butler. dresser, nanny, three secretaries, a personal assistant, a lady-in-waiting, accountant, accountant's assistant, two gardeners, flower arranger, and dog walker. An accountant brought in to a cost, asked one member of the staff what he did, and received the reply, I pick up the dog shit. And you, he asked, pointing to the person beside him, I help him. In the meantime, you report that she treated the staff infamously, poorly, that she had tantrums, that there was high staff turnover. She was screaming at employees. She would, she would regularly reduce the staff to Rex, and then she'd wonder why they were so unhappy. And on top of that, you reported that on the

charities, you give her credit for the charities that she started, but you point out that when she was asked by some to go help with other charities, instead of saying, sure, I'll be there and I'll foot the bill, she would go and she would ask for two expensive suites and she would want a plane ticket, even though the place is only two hours away. And she'd want to bring staff. I mean, like, she was exploiting, you know, usually when a charity asks you to come, it's okay to get a speaking fee, but you try to keep all your expenses down to a minimum or, you know, like you foot them yourself. This was not her approach. So she seems to be abusive, insecure, somewhat gluttonous, and not that generous a person.

No, I think that's the cynical nature of her that she used charities to, as I say, enhance her social ambitions, you know, to meet stars, but also to kind of launder her reputation. I mean, the charities that she, indeed, Andrew and the children supported were for traffic woman, and yet of all the people, they seem to be most disdainful of them.

They, you know, were very happy to mix with predators like Peter Nygaard and Jeffrey Epstein, and P. Diddy and others. But yeah, it's an extraordinary behavior. And the repeated stories of her insisting on security, costs of security, hairdressers, when she did these social events. And often I approach the charities and asked,

you know, she claims she's raised so much money, actually how much did she raise? And they'd say, well, actually, we raise nothing because it was all eaten up in expenses. And several times, you know, people had to, like the case you quote, put their own hands in their pocket just to cover the expenses because they didn't feel they could charge the charities. Just a very cynical use of charities.

There's a story which is breaking now about one of her boyfriends who earned quite a lot of money from government grants to develop an app which never happened. And they set up a charity on the side, which never actually did any charitable work, has now been investigated by the Charities Commission. Her daughter's charity, the Anti-Slavery Collective, is being investigated by the Charities Commission

because it raised large sums of money, it didn't spend, twice as much was spent on staff costs as actually were given in grants. And they kind of realized that they could exploit charities to enhance their lifestyle. Wow. I should point out that she issued a denial about your book, calling it Fabricated Nonsense. This was made directly actually in response to the published excerpts, allowing or alleging a past relationship between Sarah Ferguson and P. Diddy, Sean Diddy Combs, you allege in the book that she had an affair with him? Yes, it was as her friends with benefit relationship. It went on for many years.

I did get something wrong. I thought they met in 2002, but in fact, pictures are now emerged of her at his birthday party in 1998. She liked rappers. I mean, they actually, she got rappers into perform with the children's birthday parties. She had these obsessions with particularly, particularly rich and well-known people. She chased Tiger Woods, for example, across America, had a thing about John F. Kennedy Jr. had a passion for Kevin Costner. And I think one of the things that she claimed was she'd only met P. Diddy twice. Well, there's plenty of photographic evidence of them meeting on numerous occasions. I understand stories are about to break in the press from other sources,

nothing to do with me with more detail of that relationship. But my source is strong. I'm standing up by it. And we know that P. Diddy was very keen to kind of get close. of the British Royal family. And it didn't surprise me. People expressed surprise about this relationship, but it fits in entirely with the way that she behaved towards financial backers and people who were in the public eye like her.

She liked bad boys. And there's a whole history of getting involved with men who were very unsuitable. This is a picture. Yeah, there's like there's bad boy like he, you know, he skirts authority and drives a Harley and, you know, thumbs his middle finger at people who cross him on the road. But then there's, you know, P. Diddy and Jeffrey Epstein bad boy, which is a league of its own.

And you allege in the book, and again, for the listening audience, the book is called Entitled, the Rise and Fall of the House of York. You allege that she exposed her daughters, the princesses, Eugenie and Beatrice, to P. Diddy. Can you explain that? Well, the picture you've just shown is a picture of her second daughter, Eugenie, age 16, at one of P. Diddy's yacht parties. Beatrice was taken, the older daughter was taken to the launch of a fragrance called Unforgivable, which was supposedly based on Sarah Ferguson. And Sir Gorgh Ferguson, you know, was constantly, for example, sending pretty young girls,

her goddaughters and people, to stay in Epstein's flats on their own without any supervision. And she clearly didn't worry about Epstein. The girls were taken as young girls to visit Peter Nygaard in the Bahamas. So the whole series of people who were totally unsuitable for these girls to mix. I mean, one of the chief guests at Beatrice's 18th birthday party, which was an 18th century dress ball, was Harvey Weinstein, apart from Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell. And if you look at the wedding guests, for example, for Eugenie, which is held at St. George's Winter, huge security costs for the British public.

It consists of Chinese rapists, Libyan gun runners, a whole series of people. people who these people should not have been mixing with. How was any of this allowed? You know, it's like, I don't know, you watch the crown and it was like Queen Elizabeth's sister wasn't even allowed to marry the guy she wanted to marry because he was considered unsuitable. Now, you got these, flash forward to these two running around associating with Epstein and Weinstein and Diddy and Andrew with the 16-year-old blonde requests and, you know, the paid sex workers in these hotels, which appears to have been an open secret.

Allegedly, he denies it. How? How did we go from one to the other? Well, I think it was a reaction to the fact that the Queen felt guilty about the way that Margaret had been treated. In fact, Margaret could have married Peter Townsend. She chose not to because she would have lost her title. And she kind of gone off him in the period of separation.

But I think the Queen knew that there was very little accountability and transparency about these activities. There was always going to be people who could cover it up. I talked to a protection officer for the Royal Family, in fact, the other night, and he said that they would alter the logs of things that they did in order to kind of cover up their tracks. So people like Sarah Ferguson and Andrew knew they would never be caught. They'd never have to be held accountable for any of this, and they could behave exactly as they wanted, and that's what they did. And that's been the story up till now, that these people have felt invincible because they were protected. And the Queen didn't want to know.

And so people kept quiet. We've seen this time and time again. She pushed us on for jobs like being a trade envoy. And though people had reservations, they basically tugged their forelock and said, of course. Being a trade envoy is what led to Andrew getting arrested a couple of months ago, which we'll talk about in a minute. I should point out that several outlets,

people, the New York Post all reached out to Andrew in his office for comment. What they got back was Buckingham Palace did not return emails for comment, that the Duke of York did not respond, giving a comment, that Buckingham Palace no longer comments on matters involving Andrew and that a rep for Andrew also did not respond for comment. So clearly he's not going to comment on this, and neither is the palace, though I'm just going to guess that he's denying the most salacious allegations. To be true, to be fair, I mean, he's not responded to any of the allegations going back over 25 years. I mean, even when he was a working role, there were a whole series of stories about unexplained monies in his bank account and behavior and taking commissions for

introducing foreign businesses into Kazakhstan. And whenever these questions were raised with them by the police, there was nothing. Occasionally Bucking Palace would deny them, and if the press wanted to pursue them, they then found they had legal letters. And I suppose the most famous case is Amy Roebuck at ABC Television, who wanted to run a program. on Virginia Jifrey and Andrew years before the story broke. And the palace's response was to say, well, if you want access to William and Catherine in future, you should back off and they backed off.

And of course, Epstein and Andrew were going to abuse girls after that. I'm not going to lie. I got a couple chuckles out of the book, like the following. Another acquaintance tells the story of Andrew at a wedding asking a woman he had not met before for a dance. When she declined, he responded, I suppose a blowjob is out of the question then.

That's my very poor British accent. But I laughed. I'm not going to lie. He is irreverent and kind of cheeky in a way that could be taken as humor as opposed to offensive. Yeah, well, I think that was the feeling. You know, he was Randy Andy. He was a bit of a cheeky chappy.

There's a famous interview with a presenter called God, I've got my name now, but anyway, a well-known presenter. And there's a sort of clearly a rapport there. And you can see that he could have been very, he could be very charming. His other great chat-up line was, dancing with a girl was to say, how does it feel like to have a royal cock up against your thigh?

Oh my God. And maybe, you know, one time I'd have had it works. I suspect no more than that. I mean, the thing is, as you say, there were plenty of women who were prepared to throw themselves at him. We didn't need to try too hard. In fact, it wasn't just the woman. It was their mums as well.

So when the ships docked in foreign ports, they had to fight them off. And this gave him a very exalted sense of his own importance and his own in sense attractions. Because, you know, for models and actresses, it didn't do your career any harm to be associated with him. And, you know, there was certain curiosity. And he took advantage.

of that. And that was fine. And, you know, there are plenty of well-known people I couldn't write about who've had relations with him. I mean, there was something I had to leave out for the lawyer. So it's, it could be a lot worse. It was smart. You write about how one former staff member told you the story that he had a

reputation among his own staff of being creepy. One nanny left because he made unwelcome advances. And then you cite Emma. a Grunbaum, a 34-year-old masseuse from the Wentworth Club, who was often booked by Andrew for massages at Royal Lodge. I mean, that's got Epstein vibes written all over. This is Epstein's thing, of course, the massage with the so-called happy ending. It's always felt a bit sleazy and a bit odd, really, she said. I felt he wanted more. It was very clear, end quote. The Duke insisted on being naked, and despite her objections, the massage taking place in his bedroom. He would try and

hug her, ask her to stay and watch a film, ask her about her sex life, Oh, not even subtle, by the way. On one occasion, while she adjusted the massage table, you're right, he remarked, hey, nice arse. Do you want to take it up the arse? My God, I'm like, this is a prince. This is like, what did Emma tell you? Her reaction to this was?

Well, shot, because she's a serious sort of masseur at the Wentworth Club. But there were lots and lots of these masseur stories. I mean, he would actually swap notes about massers with President Trump. And they would discuss, according to one diplomat, pussy together. That was their bond, a bit of golf, a bit of money. But, I mean, plenty of stories of massages brought. He liked what's called double-handed massages, where there were two women involved. And even at Royal Lodge in recent times, he would have two women brought from every Sunday afternoon for massages to the sound of country music.

That was his thing. But I've talked to one of his drivers. American country music. You're not talking about like English countryside. No, no, no. He liked American country music. So maybe, you know, one should try it sometime. Save a horse ride a cowboy?

I'm trying to think what his favorite might be. Well, he was very interesting. At Royal Lodge, that's where he stayed on Royal Palace grounds? Yes, this was on Royal Lodge, which was, you know, in a sense, crown property, which he had is a very, very attractive rent. I mean, it wasn't offered to the, as it should have been. He basically said that he would bring it up to renovate it and cost him about seven million pounds. But in return, he didn't pay rent.

He had it for about 80 years. It was a pretty good deal. And that should have been offered more widely. You know, it should have been a commercial undertaking. And this is one of the concerns. You know, his daughters don't have royal duties, but they live and subsidize accommodation in royal palaces, even though they've got homes elsewhere. And this is why people are beginning.

It's time. Get out. Get a job. Aren't they in their 30s at this point? Why did the British taxpayers have to pay for their lives? Well, that's the question that's now being asked. But because there's so little scrutiny and people have such deference towards the royals, these questions haven't been asked until now. I mean, what I would say is, you know, my book in August and loosened the earth. Then we had Jiffrey's own book, which kind of humanized this scandal. And then we've had, of course, the Epstein files. And that's just all created the snowball of that, you know, people now feel that, you know, it isn't about public duty. It's about personal profit and pleasure. And there needs to be proper scrutiny and accountability. And if they are to retain respect and trust, they have to start kind of improving their act. Just to clarify that for the audience, so you release the book in August, but you've updated it for the paperback with a bunch of new reporting. The book is called Entitled, The Rise and Fall of the House of York.

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It's bold, no BS news. Only on the Megan Kelly Channel, Series XM 111 and on the SiriusXM app. She was very specific about that night. She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating and that she went on to have bath, possibly... There's a slight problem with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition,

which is that I don't sweat or I didn't sweat at the time. And that was, oh, actually, yes, I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I was shot at. And I simply, it was almost impossible for me to sweat. And it's only because I have done a number of things in the recent past that I'm starting to be able to do that again. And so I'm afraid to say that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't do it. These are such obvious lies. It's so uncomfortable to watch, but it's all tracking with what we're going through today, which is a new book, new updated book, by Andrew Loney called Entitled, The Rise and Fall

of the House of York. And Andrew Loney is with me still. Yeah, so there he was talking about how he couldn't sweat. and those were lies. What do we know about the queen's knowledge about any of this, right? Because I know you raised the question, you know, I will reevaluated the queen because she doesn't sound like she was a good mother. But there's a question about whether we should be re-evaluating the queen because

she may have helped sweep some of this under the rug. Like, how much did she know about his antics? Oh, I'm sure she knew everything. She, the head of royal security would have reported to her, having done a book on the of Windsor. I've kind of seen how it all worked. And, you know, she had a lot of intelligence people inside her entourage. Her immediate private secretary was an ex-intelligence officer, former head of MI5, our domestic force, like at the FBI, it was involved in her household. So, but I also know that people wrote to, for example, her lawyers pointing out all sorts of

things. Heads of the Foreign Office, former intelligence officers, all sorts of people. went to her with complaints who were basically sent away with a flee in their ear. At one point, Andrew was caught with $5 million in a suitcase as a sort of bribe in Kazakhstan. One Carlos of Spain was also paid off, and that was taken to the Queen, and she just didn't want to know. And, you know, it was just, it was just one thing that she couldn't really take on board. And there was no one else who, given her protection of Andrew, there was nothing anyone else could do. And time and time again, he ran to his mother. He had her sort of round his little finger.

I mean, there's an extent to which the end of her life, when she was quite old and frail and confused and on drugs and ill, that he kind of bullied her. He would go up there often for lunch, and she was lonely. There were very few people after Philip who came and saw her. And he was the one member of the family who had time, and he kind of cultivated her. But that had always been the case.

So, yeah, I think we do need to reassess the Queen's reputation. She's not quite as pure at Driven Snow as everyone thought. Yeah. I mean, it's tough because it's your child and most of us would do anything for our children, but this is an adult child and it's the British taxpayer. And there are real questions about his behavior there. That's why he's been arrested for this. His behavior, none of this is really what's at issue, although they are now investigating some situation with the woman. It's actually kind of interesting to me. But he was indicted because, as, As trade envoy, he allegedly passed reports of official visits to countries other than his own,

to Singapore, to Vietnam. And the suggestion is that he shared stuff he shouldn't have shared with people in other countries. And they're investigating that right now. They do say that there's a second piece of this, that they are looking into a claim that a woman was brought to the UK to have sex with Andrew. This is reported by the Daily Mail, and they said that the Thames Valley police confirmed this, that there's a wider probe into him, whether he brought a woman to the UK to have sex with him in her 20s. Now, there's nothing wrong with bringing a woman to the UK to have sex with you, even if you're Prince Andrew, unless it's against her will or it's, you know, a paid situation.

You can argue it's sex trafficking that crosses country lines, which I guess is what they're looking into, because they say she's in her 20s. She was sent by Epstein to the UK to have sex. with Andrew in 2010. Again, that's also not illegal unless this was a sex trafficking situation. One guy can send a gal as long as she's willing and this isn't part of some sort of forced situation, which would potentially make it sex trafficking, to go have sex with his pal. She said to have spent the night with the then prince at Royal Lodge before later having tea and being given a tour of Buckingham Palace. Well, great. Detectives have spoken to lawyer,

Brad Edwards, for the alleged victim, they say, who has not been identified. Again, I don't know how she's a victim unless they've got proof this person was trafficked. Well, a woman of age who willingly goes to have sex with a prince is not a victim. So I don't, we'll see about that one. But what do you make of this special envoy stuff and the likelihood of Andrew actually going to jail if he gets convicted? Well, I mean, just dealing with the Brad Edwards client, I mean, she has refused to actually make a formal complaint to the police. I think she's worried about the publicity. So I don't think that's going to go anywhere. a story. But our former Prime Minister Gordon Brown has delineated a whole series of women who were

trafficked into Britain legally underage and against their will. And I think eight or nine. This woman was in her 20s. This woman is in her 20s. That's why I think we discard that story. But there were other women and that I think is what the police are looking at. They're trying to bring charges of sex trafficking because they feel the misconduct public office won't hold. The gloves are off for him now. Sorry, the gloves are off. Yes, absolutely. I think that, you know, the Tempts of Valley police seem to be taking this seriously. I mean, they've called out women to come forward. I think they're struggling to find people who are prepared to give testimony. It's always the case with these sort of cases. But we have plenty of evidence of him as a trade envoy giving away confidential secrets, either diplomatic or commercial. I mean, they're in the email correspondence. So literally within minutes of receiving emails, he would be passing them. on to either business associates like David Rowland's or Jeffrey's Epstein, people who were actually paying off his or his ex-wife's debts. And this is a breach of the official. But there is a question

about whether he was doing that to seek investment. Jeffrey Epstein was at the time believed to be this storied investor and whether he did it to, you know, get good guidance for the UK on what to do about this move or the other. I mean, he's got a potential defense there. No, I don't think he has a defense. I mean, for example, he was leaking commercially sensitive information about the Royal Bank of Scotland, which had been taken into public ownership during the banking crisis in 2008. And he was sharing that information with people who were trying to buy off some of the assets, David Rowlands. With the Atlantic banking crisis, he was sharing confidential information. He had actually requested specifically from the Treasury and passing it to the Rollins who were

buying up an Islamic bank. This is commercially sensitive information. So it's not about developing Not great. And we had hundreds of British troops killed in Helmand province in Afghanistan working against the Taliban, and he saw that as a business opportunity and wanted to cut of the action, which doesn't look very good. So I think there are plenty of occasions where he was sharing information that was privileged information that should not be shared with anyone else with people who were not British citizens and were not authorized to see this information.

That is a breach. Well, would this be a judge or a jury trial? And do you think a British jury would actually potentially convict Andrew and send him to jail? Well, I think he would be in trouble with it. There was a jury trial. But you're absolutely right. I don't think this will lead to charges being brought. The last thing the Royal Family want is a dirty linen washed in public.

They've managed to shut down the Paul Burrell trial in 2002 for that reason. And I think we're already getting the mood music to prepare us that there wasn't a case under misconduct and public office. he wouldn't get a fair trial. He wasn't a proper public servant. He was just a member of the royal family kind of pushed into this job. He wasn't paid. So I think it's going to be quite difficult on those grounds to bring a case. Though I have interviewed lawyers and policemen involved in these cases who say it's pretty clear

if officials have acted against the interests of the public who held public positions, which he did, then there would be a case here. But the story is widening. I think the police are looking for any way that they can perhaps get them. And if they can find people to come forward and give testimony about being underage or being trafficked to him. I mean, we have plenty of evidence that there were these books of photographs, most of them naked of girls who were basically ordered by these men, including Andrew, and sent, you know, like ordering a pizza.

But, you know. From Epstein and Galane, you're saying. They were producing these books and others were producing them, and that's how it worked. But I think Gordon Brown's intervention is good. He's got a sister-in-law who's investigative journalists, and she's produced a lot of new information about these women who were brought. The problem is they were anonymous. They weren't registered in the flight logs. We don't know who they are.

They now may have returned to their countries and not know about this. They may now be respectable, married women with children and not want to go through. through the publicity of going public. So there are a lot of fences to jump before, I suppose, charges can be brought, but I just cannot see this being allowed to happen. Well, clearly there is no love lost between King Charles and his brother, Andrew. And I think you make that clear as well that those two, they're not particularly close, and Charles is not protecting Andrew, at least at this point.

And you write in the book that Andrew really didn't. get along with many people. He didn't. He loved his mother, or at least she loved him. But he didn't get along with Harry. He doesn't get along with William. And of all the things that he's said and done, as documented by this book, I have to give him the warning that he gave Harry when he got together with Megan. He was not in favor of it and he saw a disaster written all over it. Yes. I mean, you know, I think they all saw this. When I was writing my book on the about Batten's in 2000, I know, 16, all the gossip in the Royal Household was about how unsuitable Megan was and it would all end in tears. And clearly, Andrew was one of the people who was

saying that. I mean, so was William. Everyone could see this was a disaster waiting to happen. But I think Andrew was a little bit more vocal about it than some of the others. And that upset, Harry, there were fisty cuffs. I mean, both of them have resorted to their fists on numerous occasions. There's a story which actually has come out in Robert Hardman's book about the queen, which actually I allude to in mind, of a fight with the head of the household, Tony Johnson, Bert. But yes, there were fights with Harry. There were fights with others. And because, and William was cross with Andrew because basically, Andrew didn't think that Kate was a suitable bride. She wasn't posh enough.

And even as a child, William found him a bit of a creep. So there's a huge personal animus there, as well as that William's concern about the reputational damage to the family. And he's the guy who's got to pick up the pieces. In some ways, the likelihood is that Charles is just going to pass the baton on to William and let him solve the problem in the way the queen has done it with Charles. Yeah, you write that not a great relationship with William. He resents that Andrew was rude about Kate, and William has long worked behind the scenes to

evict his uncle, Andrew, from Royal Lodge. William refers to Andy as a tosser, perhaps not as bad as the vile names his brother Harry uses. Harry has refers to Andy as a poof-da, an arsehole, and a twit. And then you say that, yeah, he told Harry that this marriage is not going to last more than a month when he got together with Megan. He accused him of going bonkers and not doing any due diligence on her past. And Harry later told William, you write, that he was planning to kill his uncle Andrew. He hated him that much. Prince Harry denies that these events occurred. So what do you know about the stats?

if anything, because since you're a royal biographer, of the Harry and Megan pair out in Montecito. And is there any hope of them going back to be your problem instead of ours? Well, I mean, I can't really comment because I've focused as a historian on the story of Andrew and Sarah Ferguson. So I can only go from what I've kind of read. But I think the feeling generally in Britain is the marriage isn't going to last. Harry will, I'm afraid, still remain with you because his children are there. and actually that is exactly what Wallace Simpson did with Edward the H. She kind of got him away from his friends and his relations into another country

and she could control him then. They didn't have children at least, but he was kind of stuck with her. And I think that seems to be the feeling here with Harry. He wants to build some bridges. I think his father is keen to reignite with him to see his grandchildren. William Clea is against it. The king is caught between the two brothers. and whatever he does, he's going to upset one of them.

And it's a bit of a mess. What happened with the Duke of Windsor is he did every so often come back and see his family as long as his wife didn't come with him, and that we're going to see more of that. We have a sign that Harry may be able to come back and have security, paid for by the taxpayer here, which will make him feel safer. But it's interesting that when there have been occasions where the king could have met Harry, and not least in his recent visit to the States,

that that didn't happen. And I think there's always a suspicion that Harry will leak any encounter they have and the story will be sold to the newspapers. So it is a bit of a mess. No one wants a just functional family like that. But I'm afraid that is the story of the royal family. They can't seem to get on with each other. Well, the similarities you point out between Megan Markle and, yes, Wallace Simpson,

but also Sarah Ferguson are pretty stark. and the story this actually just broke from Rob Shooter, who we love. He goes on the nerve with Maureen all the time. And he, this is his exclusive, that Fergie was in talks with two NBC executives to do a daytime talk show in America. They flew over there to meet with her and talk to her about it in London. The next thing they knew, she had left the NBC executives alone with her daughter's Beatrice and Eugenie and vanished for nearly two days. And they found themselves acting like royal babysitters eventually pieced out of the UK and said, yeah, this is not for us. So lots of similarities there when it comes to work ethic and being an alleged grifter.

Everyone check out the book. Thank you so much, Andrew, Andrew Loney, and the book is entitled, The Rise and Fall of the House of York. All the best to you. And good luck. Thank you very much. Love with your chat, too. Thank you so much. And good luck to all of you.

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