Timcast IRL - HANTAVIRUS PANDEMIC PANIC, Human To Human Spread Feared w/ Auron McIntyre

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

Tim, Ian, and Libby are joined by Auron McIntyre to discuss the Hantavirus panic, Mark Hamill deletes Trump post showing Trump dead, a Black dude screams about White people after SCOTUS voting ruling,... Democrats say an 8 year old would beat Trump in a fight, and the Pentagon holds a secret UFO meeting.  BUY DELICIOUS WATER USE PROMO CODE DEATH FOR 20% OFF - https://castbrew.com/products/pool-water-12pk-aluminum-bottles-16oz SUPPORT THE SHOW BUY CAST BREW COFFEE NOW - https://castbrew.com/ Join - https://timcast.com/discord Hosts:  Tim @Timcast (everywhere) Ian  @IanCrossland  (everywhere) | https://graphene.movie/ Libby @LibbyEmmons (X) | https://thepostmillennial.com/pod Producer: Carter @carterbanks (X) |  @trashhouserecords  (YT) Guest:  Auron McIntyre @AuronMacintyre (X) Podcast available on all podcast platforms! HANTAVIRUS PANDEMIC PANIC, Human To Human Spread Feared  | Timcast IRL For advertising inquiries please email sponsorships@rumble.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Just in time for a midterm election. It is hanta virus pandemic panic. That's right. Everyone online is freaking out about the hanta virus. A new reported case in Switzerland. What's going on? In fact, a Twitter account tweeted in 2022. In 2023, the coronavirus pandemic would end.
Starting point is 00:00:19 And in 26, the hanta virus. I'm going to tell you right off the bat. I think the real story here is that there is no big story. The news outlets are all fairly desperate. for something to cover. And I'm going to tell you exactly what's going on right off the bat without bearing the lead. But we'll talk about it. I mean, it is interesting.
Starting point is 00:00:36 This weird Twitter post is interesting. I think all of the editors in chiefs of these companies are sitting around like drooling going like, is there anything to talk about? And then one editor goes, I don't even talk about the hantavirus thing on the cruise. And it's like, okay, let's just write up what they got. Because honestly, when you look at the numbers year over year, this is not spectacular at all. And now you've got posts from like, Sarah Palin saying like, do not comply.
Starting point is 00:01:02 And I'm sitting here and being like, guys, okay, no, I get that. But if we really did get widespread haunt of virus pandemic, it's a 40% mortality. I don't think compliance becomes part of the equation when half of the people are dead. And I'm not trying to be cute. But we'll talk about it. It's interesting nonetheless.
Starting point is 00:01:22 To back up my claim that it's a slow news day, and that's why this story is going massively. There's nothing else, is also a story from UGov where they did a poll asking if an eight-year-old could beat up Donald Trump winning a fist fight. I'm not kidding. U-Gov polled people asking if they thought Trump would win a fist fight with an eight-year-old. I have to imagine like after the hanta virus stuff, the guys at U-Gov are just sitting there like, I really just have nothing. And they're like, you think Trump could beat up a little kid? Let's ask people.
Starting point is 00:01:53 That's how desperate they are for news right now. I'm not even joking. So, of course, there is still a bit we can talk about. We'll go to that. Mark Hamill deleted a tweet where he called for the death of Trump. He really did. And he tried wording it in a weasily way, but he did. And people were calling for boycotts.
Starting point is 00:02:10 And so he took the post down. We'll talk about that. It's getting crazy out there. Before we get said to my friends, we've got a great sponsor. It's ourselves. Go to casparoo.com. Check out the pool water 12-pack aluminum bottles. and guess what?
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Starting point is 00:03:31 Really does help. Smash that like button. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Aaron McIntyre. Thanks for having me, Tim. I'm Orrin McIntyre. I host the Orrin McIntyre show on Blaze TV, Rumble, YouTube, and I've got my book out The Total State. Well, right on.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Thanks for hanging out. Libby is here. Yes, I am here. I'm Libby. I'm glad to be here with you guys. I'm one of those editors you were talking about who was scrambling for. News, and you can also check out my podcast, The Pod Millennial. I'm Ian Crossland. Hello. Hello, everyone. If you don't know me yet, what's wrong with you?
Starting point is 00:04:04 Follow me on the internet. Carter Banks. I'm Carter Banks. Same as what Ian said. Tim, let's get in. Let's go. Here's the story from the Washington Post. Authorities scramble to limit haunt of virus outbreak trace contacts around the globe. U.S. officials in at least five states, Arizona, California, Georgia, Texas, Virginia are monitoring systems of seven returning passengers. And so when I saw this story and you've got these reports, they're saying now that there's a reported case in Switzerland, let me break it down for you. The only thing that's somewhat alarming is this story from Dutch news. A KLM flight attendant has been hospitalized with suspected hanta virus. And the reason why this one matters, this person was not on the boat.
Starting point is 00:04:45 She just came into contact with someone who did go on the boat and then died. So there is concern that this may be spreading human to human. I just want to stress this, though. The person in Switzerland was apparently on the boat. And when they got off the boat and heard about it, they went to the hospital and they're like, you might actually have this too. So far, I think now we have three confirmed deaths, potentially eight cases that are not confirmed, not lab tested, we don't know.
Starting point is 00:05:12 But I can say, I can confirm desperate newsrooms around the globe are running this story and screeching like banshees because there was just nothing else to really talk about. And I'm going to tell you this because Libby's here to attest to this fact. But even here, I actually just didn't. I only did a short version of my morning show. I only did about 45 minutes. Because going through all the news, I was like, look, Mark Hamill called for the president to be killed or to die or whatever.
Starting point is 00:05:39 That's news. Then I was just like, people are talking about hanta virus. I did my research. And I found that this hanta virus outbreak, they're calling it, is unremarkable. And actually, the past several years have been. substantially worse than whatever this is. And I was like, is that what it is? Because we're sitting here and I'm going like, I'm in the slack. Like, guys, is this big news? And people are like shrugging. And I'm sure that's what was happening with Libya, right? Yeah, but I will say that I dug deep and found more and
Starting point is 00:06:08 better news. Like there was a mayoral debate in L.A. last night. That was pretty good. Spencer Pratt really did a great job against Karen Bass and Nithia Ramon. So we'll- apparently one of the big stories is that Karen Bass admitted the, reservoir was supposed to be used for fire. Yes, she did. She said a million years ago it was used for fires, but recently we've been using it for drinking water. And when Spencer Pratt was like, these are for fires, why were they drained?
Starting point is 00:06:35 So that was, I thought she did. She apparently admitted it. Yeah. She said, well, they are for fires. And that opens them up to civil liability, which is great. Yeah, which is good. Spencer Pratt said on the debate stage, you know, I blame you for burning down my house and my parents' house and all of my neighbor's homes, my kids' school and everything else.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Well, but let's let's, let's, I thought that was good. But, yeah, what's up with the Honda? For a second. Yeah. Conspiracy theory. Do you think that sponsored by Pfizer? I'm just calling out like, I remember the news where it was like sponsored by Pfizer. What's this?
Starting point is 00:07:06 June 11th, 2022, soothsayer. This is an account that I guess says reads the future. And, you know, star of Venus. I of course, they said, 2023, Corona ended, 2026, hanta virus. Haanta. I was looking into the people that were following. and one of them was Bill Gates. Wait, what?
Starting point is 00:07:25 Yeah. They're following like 18 people and like one of them is Bill Gates. Finger on the pulse. Following black hole. Didn't Gene Hackman's wife die of Hauntavirus? Yes. Recently.
Starting point is 00:07:39 Indeed. And Hauntafirus, that's the thing where you like, we were talking about this in the chat today because as you said, there wasn't that much to talk about. It's the thing where it's like rat poop, basically. That's how you get it. You just breathe in the rat poop. Is that what does you breathe?
Starting point is 00:07:53 I think you breathe it in. I can't imagine wanting to go on one of these cruise ships. It just seems like a plague ship to me. Yeah, the sanitation is probably. So take a look. Someone actually made a website. You want to know what's really crazy about this? You see this website? You're like, wow, Hanta tracker. You can go on Clawed and literally just type in, make a website that shows the globe and tracks Hanta virus by country and it'll do it in 20 seconds. And then you can just upload it and run it. Which I would not be surprised if what it's what they did. This is what? This is the intensity of outbreak per nation. No, this is the amount of news articles, I guess. So it is? The reason I brought it up. Yeah, look at this.
Starting point is 00:08:29 There's nine cases and three deaths and someone made a global hanta trigger. Guys, listen, I love this story with soothsayer because the conspiracy stuff is much more fun. There's like four tweets and one of them is hanta virus. And I'm just imagining like Bill Gates has an intern. So I'm like 24 year old chick and she's like doing selfies. And she's like, I can see the future with astrology. And then Bill Gates walked in and he goes, I think after coronavirus is over in 23, we should launch the Hanta virus. And then she's just texting.
Starting point is 00:09:00 She's like, yeah. This thing, what I wonder is, is the news slow today because the people that are trying to produce a global pandemic wanted to shut down all the other news so everyone could focus on Hanta virus. They could cause panic. And then they can start building vaccines for it. Like, that's my crazy. I don't think it's been slow all week, I think. I think it's been, it's like, it's like wavy. You know, we've had like big, big story and then like, eh, kind of nothing.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Also, part of it is that no one wants to talk about the war. Yeah, I was going to say that's nothing to talk about. Well, that's the thing. Listen, my conspiracy theory is that, well, it's not my, I'm going to say a conspiracy theory that I think is fun is Donald Trump was like, we nuke USAID, we've stripped the liberal economic order of their cycle of money. Now we need to build up our own. So what he does is, he's like, oh. okay, every other week I'm going to announce the war is over so that prices drop. As soon as I fire another missile, short them again.
Starting point is 00:10:00 You know, buy in, it goes to the top, sell short, then I'll announce the war is over. It'll go down. And they're just funneling money to them like a vacuum cleaner. This is a really fascinating aspect of one of your opponent's real weapons being your own nation's economy. Like Iran knows it can never actually militarily destroy the United States, but it does know that it's basically sitting on this massive resource, and ultimately it can control the flow of economic output. And so, you know, you have this phenomenon where Trump is literally fighting the
Starting point is 00:10:31 wars over the weekend so they don't impact the markets and then declaring them over during the week and then going back. And he's just cycling over and over again. So it creates this really strange dynamic where, like, there's these little bursts of conflict whenever they won't wreck the market. And then they pull it back in just in time to set everything back on course. And that's to remove Iran's ability to ultimately tank the markets and create economic pain on the United States, which is their greatest weapon. They're never going to win with missiles. They're going to win by harming the stock market. And Donald Trump knows that. That's why they're fighting the war the way they are. Do you think that the market should be seven days a week, 24 hours, seven day a week? Because
Starting point is 00:11:08 that's how the crypto markets are. Yeah, no, I don't think it should be at all. I think we should go back to like when stores were all closed on Sunday. And there was just a day when nobody could get anything done? I'm going to go ahead and just say that this, the flow of this conversation leaves me vindicated that not even any of you care about Hunter-Miris. No, it's just another. The thing about COVID, this is what I remember the day it happened. I was like, wow, because I'm being a manifestation of the future, I'm like, if we pretend like this is going to be a big deal, is it going to become a global pandemic? And I'm like, wow, what if it did it did? And I was like, wow, what if we just dismissed it? Would it have been
Starting point is 00:11:45 like another flu? Like I, were you in Jersey with us when it's stuff? Because I remember we were in the basement and I remember when Trump made the announcement in March like we're shutting the country down and we were like Baw. I were talking to you about it. It was in March, February, March. It was super early. We were like... And that's when we put all the gold bars in the wall to hide it.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Oh, we still there. I mean... It sounds like my grader. Wait, did we get those? Yeah, they're here. I don't even know what you're talking about. Again, it is an interesting dynamic that like Trump's relatively successful first term was completely train wrecked because of the pandemic and everything that came after it, all the madness. And then
Starting point is 00:12:18 basically halfway through a presidency, you're also seeing another story about pandemics. This one seems less likely to take over, but... Isn't the first time? Wasn't there another story in 2024 or something, where people were like, oh, man. There was a... Gay-sex bug. I don't know. Oh, yeah, that was gay sex bug.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Oh, the monkey. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but that was during Biden. Small children and dogs kept coming down with it. We needed to make that... Well, because... As everybody knows, kids and dogs like being friends with monkeys. They won't touch poop. I think that's why. But it was like,
Starting point is 00:12:50 Hold on. What if, what if this is Donald Trump being like, we're going to do our own pandemic. We're going to take their idea, use it against him. But this time he used a actually deadly one. Just to put people at ease,
Starting point is 00:13:01 I'm not a doctor, but I have played plague ink, and I know that if you want to spread a global, if you're a virus and you want to spread globally and infect everyone, you don't want to be super deadly. You want to be very infective, but not deadly,
Starting point is 00:13:13 so that everyone gets it without knowing they have it, and then you mutate and become, deadly and then everyone's like, ah, I'm stuck. But this thing's already too deadly to transmit. This one already starts as deadly. That's funny. You had gold bars in the walls. My great-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-old did not. Oh, you didn't? My great aunt was
Starting point is 00:13:30 married to a mafia doctor and they lived in Vegas and they literally stacked bills in the walls. Oh, it's terrible idea. Yeah. Bills are worthless. Here's a thing. That's what they had. Antivirus is not transmissible during incubation. So it's a one to eight week incubation. And if you did somehow get it, it's not
Starting point is 00:13:46 contagious until you're symptomatic. And by then, you are seriously ill. Like pneumonia-style liquid. Yeah. Anybody who's played plague ink, like Ian mentioned, in order to infect the whole world, it has to be a somewhat negligible, high transmissible virus. If a virus is too deadly, then whether people want to spread it or not, they die and then it stops spreading.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Unless the dead bodies can spread it, which is another type of mutation, but it's not real common. What's really funny about Ebola, do you know about what happens in Africa with Ebola? I do not. The locals, the indigenous in these countries, believe that the white man is experimenting on them and trying to kill them. So they intentionally break quarantine and bring their sick, or break into and grab the sick people and run away.
Starting point is 00:14:35 And that's why it's really hard to contain Ebola. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. You know, then you also have, like, with South Africa, they think AIDS is magic. They think it's a magical spell
Starting point is 00:14:45 that you have to transfer to someone else to curse them. So they'll stick a needle in their arm and then stick a random person in like a tourist with it. They also think that it can be cured by having sex with infants or something. They do. That's why South Africa
Starting point is 00:14:59 is the highest instance of... Oh my gosh. There's also the dry sex, which is what often makes it very prevalent in Africa. So... Dry sex? You don't want to know. Oh, my mind's racing. It involves sand. Oh, dear God. So anyway, the hanta virus killing people.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Yeah, it's too bad. I feel for these people. Yeah, legit like this morning, I saw Mark Hamill was like calling for Trump to die and I was like, wow, that's crazy. But I don't know how much I care because it's like the 18th celebrity to do it in the past couple of weeks. Well, you know, I think one thing that happened with that is that we all got kind of immune
Starting point is 00:15:32 to celebrities calling for the assassination of the president. And so we stopped really talking about it that much. And I think it's time to start talking about it again. Mark Hamill was calling for the assassination of Donald Trump. You had Justin Pearson in the Tennessee legislature who's very outspoken, blah, blah, blah. He was saying Trump is a domestic terrorist. You have people saying all this stuff. Let's put up. Let's grab this.
Starting point is 00:15:55 So we got this from the post. millennial, Mark Hamill deleted his Trump death post and apologized if people found it inappropriate. He posted this picture of Trump, who apparently died two years ago. And it said if only, it said if only on it. And then afterwards he said he could, what did it take like he would live to be held accountable something. So the implication was either he is going to die or if only he would die. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:22 And that's Mark. And then I guess what people were calling for a boycott or something. We have this story as well. Jack Asobic and some other people were calling to boycott the upcoming, what is it, Mandelorian and Grogu. He's in it? I don't know, but I mean, I forgot that movie was coming out. Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait. People actually watch that stuff?
Starting point is 00:16:39 I don't know. Now, I watched Daredevil season finale, and it was fantastic. Okay. And then I watched The Boys, and I got to be honest. You know what the Boys does really well if they, here's what I think happens. Last season on The Boys, French, he just became. gay for some reason. Do you guys watch this? I don't watch it. The whole show,
Starting point is 00:17:01 French, he's like trying to mac this Asian chick. And then all of a sudden he's like, oh, so I am gay for some reason just for like two episodes. And you know what I think it is? The last episode had nothing to do with Trump. Nothing to do with Trump or Antifa or anything. I think there's a handful of writers
Starting point is 00:17:16 that are just like gooning to being like, yeah, Trump is bad. And so the episodes are like are schizophrenic. So like yesterday's episode had nothing to do with politics. And was really good. It depends on who's the lead chair, yeah. Yeah, so anyway.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Cripke's a pretty horrific individual. Who? Cripke, the guy who runs the show. I don't know. I mean, I stopped watching it in season one halfway through the, they had to make some incredibly lazy storyline about how the Christian conservatives were the real evil people and they are all secretly gay child molesters. And it's like, oh, so this again.
Starting point is 00:17:48 It's all anti-Christian. That's a show. Big surprise. When the episodes don't continue that, it's a really great show. And then when it does, you're like, here we go again. But anyway, my point is, Star Wars is trash anyway, and I don't know why anybody would want to watch it at this point. No, me neither.
Starting point is 00:18:03 And it's, like, it was funny when they came out with the sequels, and Mark Hamill was actually protesting. He was complaining the whole time about how bad they were. And then eventually just goes, yeah, okay, I guess they're good. And it's like, you're a coward, like. He isn't. He hasn't had a decent part other than Skywalker. Oh, he's Joker.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Yeah. And he's really good. He did the voice. He is the best Joker there ever has been. In all the video games and animated films, animated series for 30 years, he is the best joke. And it's fascinating. People don't know this. He was a relatively young man when he started voicing the Joker.
Starting point is 00:18:38 You know, full disclosure, I love his acting. I thought he was a little campy. I mean, Mark, you probably think you were campy in Star Wars in the first one because everybody was campy in it. That's how it goes. The 70s, that's how it goes. But spectacular actor. Doesn't mean I agree with all your political opinions, brother, but we all like Heath Ledger's Joker, but that's like a unique thing.
Starting point is 00:18:55 In terms of there's a couple there's really just one Batman and there's really just one Joker. No. That was my. I was raised on. Jack Nicholson.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Incorrect, Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill. Who's? He's also the cartoon Batman. He died, rest in peace. But for what 30 years he was Batman in everything and he had the perfect voice for Batman.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Oh yeah. And Mark Hamill really has the best voice for Joker. He was in Batman Beyond. He was in all the videos. games. He was in the original cartoon. Dude, it's, unquestionably, the best voice for Batman. No, no doubt.
Starting point is 00:19:31 But what do you think? The best actor was ever? No. Most people say it's Christian Bale, I think. Incorrect. Maybe that's because they will only seen Christian Bail and like Michael. All of the movie Bannans are just interesting one-offs. Kevin Conroy is iconic Batman acting. He nailed it. I believe it.
Starting point is 00:19:47 I mean, you're the... And again, again, Charles Mark Hamill, his Joker is the best Joker. It's absolutely incredible. That being said, he's insane. Well, remember that Disney fired Gina Carrano over her comments, right? So Mark Hamill not going to get fired over this, obviously, because he's like core of the franchise, and because Disney obviously agrees with this. So they absolutely, you know, should lose everything on this.
Starting point is 00:20:10 It would be great. That movie was already, as I understand, considered to be, like, downscaled when it came to audience size. Like they had already well overspent and were trying to turn down expectations because they knew it wasn't going to do that well. But let's hope this absolutely tanks it because these people are insane. they hate you, they want you dead. It's really sad that conservatives don't have the cultural sticking power to make people pay for this.
Starting point is 00:20:32 When Jimmy Kimmel did his monologue on Charlie Kirk's assassination, me and Benny Johnson worked as hard as we could to get that guy fired. And we got him taken off the air for like a week or something, which... It was like four or five days or something. It wasn't even able to stick. So even in that moment where like someone had literally been murdered in front of everyone and there was like the most amount of. of ferocity you would ever see from the conservative movement over it.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Even in that moment, it was difficult to leverage that for a full cancellation. For a guy like Jimmy Kimmel, who's an absolute loser anyway. So I hate to say that I don't think conservatives are going to make any real hay about this, but they absolutely should. There's no reason you should give people who want to kill you your money. Like, you really deserve what you get if you keep doing that. You think it's real quick, he's also got a recurring role in Invincible, which is a massive show. Invisible is great.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Just launched a new video game. So. Mark Hamel is Invincible? Yes. Who is he in Invincible? He plays Art Rosenbaum. He plays the costume maker. So it's a bit part.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Well, it's not a bit part. It's a recurring role. But come on. It's a key part. I mean, it's a great show. In all the seasons. In Star Wars episode four, five, and six, you know, the first three,
Starting point is 00:21:37 how he became a better actor from into the second one. And then by the third one, like he's embodied this Jedi. Like, he truly became, like, the force flowed through Mark Hamill to play Luke Skywalker. I believe that. That was my favorite movie growing up was Return of the Jedi. That being said. That was all I had to say. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I was going to say something else. Sidetrack by how awesome Mark Hamill is and Star Wars. And now he calls for the assassination of the president. And so do most of the people in Hollywood. So you said that they want to kill you. I'm not sure, are you being hyperbolic, or do you mean like global economic order banking systems would rather see American citizens dead than deal with them economically?
Starting point is 00:22:15 I mean, the left sees our politics are quickly becoming existential in a way that Americans are simply not prepared for. like we have this belief that really we just peacefully transfer power and that's how the system works and it's been true for a while in the United States. But realistically, that's just not over history how politics works. And we're entering a moment in which we have become so divided that there's simply no way that you're going to heal this thing. We're not going to talk it out or have some kind of rational conversation about what's going on. So the left is drawing the very basic conclusion that if they ever lose a election, they basically just need to murder whoever won. That really is their absolute understanding of what's going on here. And they have not received enough of a penalty for their repeated attempts to do so.
Starting point is 00:23:01 So it's just going to keep escalating until the right takes it seriously, which they seem pretty determined not to. I need to give some context, too, for a lot of people who just don't understand, Mark Hamill is Luke Skywalker and the Joker. Probably his, I would argue the Joker is a more iconic role. It was for 30 years he played the Joker in all of these mediums. And a lot of people don't realize this. Number 17. Joker's Answering Machine.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Batman, the animated series. Hey, Bucco, I'd be a little more careful with the luggage if I were you. Otherwise, you might lose your tip. Not to mention your head. Only Mark Hamill's Joker could make an answering machine greeting so terrifying. Anyway, the point is, that was an example of him voicing the Joker, and he's in the video game, and he's got actually some really horrifying lines in the games when they make Joker actually murder people and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Yeah, but anyway, back to your point. Sorry for, we can go back to these people. We cannot reconcile our differences and they want to kill us. So you were saying? I spent a lot of time with like moderate liberals. So I think that's why when I'm around liberal people, they're usually pretty moderate. So I don't see the extreme that you have noticed or like,
Starting point is 00:24:06 that you see the scale. You tend to see things in scales, I think, too, like historically. Well, there was this fascinating thing the other day where Stephen Colbert was interviewing Obama and they were talking about if Mom Dani is the future of the Democrat Party. And they agreed that, you know, he probably is. And Colbert said something really fascinating, which was he said, my kids come up to me and they say, Dad, you're a liberal. We're leftists. And I think that's what we're, yeah. Yeah, everyone is radicalizing. There is no center anymore. It's being torn apart. And that's not a mistake.
Starting point is 00:24:36 That is both the natural gradient that the dialectic is going to take and the intentional way it's being pushed by many different actors. There was just a piece in compact magazine. They were the people who did that piece about basically how all the white guys had been frozen. out of hiring in media and corporations. And they did a follow-up piece on medical stuff. And basically, it's this guy talking about coming in after the day that Charlie Kirk got shot. And basically all of the nurses, all of the doctors are just laughing, you know, celebrating
Starting point is 00:25:04 Charlie Kirk's death, talking about how he deserved it. What a fascist. What a white supremacist? These are the people who are responsible for your medical care. They're the people who have you under the knife. And if they find out you're a conservative, what happens next? Like, people do not understand how deep this runs. Well, conservatives are unwilling to use.
Starting point is 00:25:20 power. What I will say is in the redistricting fight, it looks surprisingly like the conservatives are actually fighting. Finally. Much better. Yeah, I mean, the Supreme Court justices fighting. I was actually surprised by that. Well, Clarence Thomas is such a... But Alito and Thomas always have, but the other conservative justice have finally gotten on board with it. And it's like, hey, maybe Brett Kavanaugh realized they would actually kill him in his family this time. I think the Trump admin is probably concerned with biting the trap that the communists will layout, which is like Saul Winsky's rule for radicals, you want the
Starting point is 00:25:51 opponent to become the fascist by cracking down on your street violence so that you can rally your communist allies to say, see, we told you, they are fascist, now we need a communist revolution. So we talk about that on this show. I hope there's people in the Trump admin that watch this show and have understood that rule. That's a basic
Starting point is 00:26:07 radical leftist rule. So that's why I think they're not slamming down with hard power, and they're doing things like USAID and unraveling things behind the scenes. disagree significantly. If you look at history, if you look at something like the Spanish Civil War and the escalation going into it, it was the fact that the right wing, that the standing government was not willing to deal with what was going on, the continuous assassination of right
Starting point is 00:26:31 wingers is actually what eventually drove people towards someone like a Francisco Franco to solve the problem. So if you crack down early and hard, you end up in a scenario where people don't believe they can get away with violence and you don't see the spiral of escalation. But when you allow that, you build this basically broken windows scenario. I'm sure you're familiar with broken windows policing, the idea that if you allow these in your neighborhood, it's only going to get worse because people see it's allowable and they don't care to take care of the thing around them. Same thing is true with political violence. Once you recognize that political violence is on the table, it becomes the only option. It becomes the superior strategy in every scenario. So if you don't nip it in the bud,
Starting point is 00:27:09 if you don't secure the monopoly on violence as the state, someone else will do violence. And if you allow of these radical leftists to do it, it will only get worse. And we're in a situation now where people who follow the laws are held accountable to the laws. And if you don't follow the laws and you're just a criminal, you're not held accountable at all. We've seen so many people and so many stories of people getting off after committing rapes or murders or really vile things being said that they are not mentally capable to stand trial, but for some reason they're mentally capable to wander around society and kill people. Yeah, Sam Francis called this a narco tyranny. And again, it's an intention.
Starting point is 00:27:45 strategy that this is not a mistake. When you recognize that you can leverage the lower classes against the middle class that actually have the power to change things, the capital, the votes, the organization, you can actually destroy all of your up-and-coming opponents while maintaining your own power as an elite. So this is actually a surprisingly, you know, active strategy. It's not some mistake because our elites are stupid. No, it's effective and intentional. that the elite class will mobilize the lower class to attack the middle class. Yes. High and low versus middle.
Starting point is 00:28:17 You always kill the landowners. You always kill the coolocks. You always kill the people in the middle because they're the only people who can ascend. They're the only people who have the money, the strategy, the leisure time to organize politically and fight back against the higher class. Lower classes are never able to do that. They're always a tool of elites that are able to organize for them. So what's this phenomenon of rich kids that join Antifa? They're the elites who are controlling the lower classes.
Starting point is 00:28:43 That's the same thing. Oh, was that? I wasn't in? I wasn't in? I thought I was still hitting it. Yeah, I was trying to angle. Like if you look at Mom Dani, right?
Starting point is 00:28:50 Mom Dani's a rich kid. His parents are, you know, internationally wealthy. He naturalized and deport. And all of this stuff. And they've got their compound in Uganda so they can probably just go right back. But he's mobilizing the lower classes against the middle. And that's why you even have black middle class homeowners in New York City being like, what the hell are you doing?
Starting point is 00:29:08 I think. Why are you depriving us of our wealth? that we in any functioning country the moment mom dani said that he would defy the will of the american voters to protect illegal immigrants in this country the federal government would intervene issue emergency management some kind of like reconstruction era uh uh move but i don't know if we have a any kind of real strength in our political class i don't know if don't know if don't Trump has the strength for this kind of thing. I can't imagine they're unaware of it.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I mean, Harmie Dillon especially has to be aware of it. Well, she's working hard at this. She just brought, she's working against UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine or whatever it is right now. And she said that she found that they were absolutely discriminating against white and Asian students. And she's, you know, working to hold them accountable for that. But after Mom Donnie, I had a similar thought.
Starting point is 00:30:00 I was like, you know, Trump's going to have to do something about this. This is crazy. We've got this socialist running our biggest and most important city. And instead, Mamdani was invited into the halls of power to pal around with the other powerful guy. And it was just like, oh, look, too powerful men. You're in control and we get nothing. It's not about the Asian stuff or the affirmative action. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:30:19 That's a culture war thing. What Mamdani represented when he campaigned explicitly on, I know what the American people have voted for. and I will weaponize the wealth and resources of this city against them. That is a, that person should be charged with sedition. Instead, Trump invites him to the White House. Well, I think because he just said he was going to do it.
Starting point is 00:30:45 He is doing it. He said it again. He said it again. But saying it, saying, I'm going to do a crime is not illegal. No, no, no. Sedition is when you ex, you can speak sedition. But saying I'm going to prevent you from
Starting point is 00:30:59 doing something lawful. I don't think that's enough. You got to actually, they're probably watching him down there. They're like, okay, when he does it, get him. No, they're not. No, sedition is when you rally people to corrupt the government. So we've actually dealt with this multiple times in our nation's history. We called this the nullification crisis because there was a question as to whether or not the state legislatures had to enforce federal law, whether they could choose to basically
Starting point is 00:31:22 ignore it because they were sovereign entities under the Constitution. And Andrew Jackson basically said, yeah, you're going to do what I tell you to do. and threatened to use a serious force. But this was an open question for a long time in America. It was supposed to be resolved after the nullification crisis. But it turns out that most of the time it's, you know, one side that gets away with basically ignoring the law. I mean, how long did we have sanctuary cities in the United States? Flagrant violations of law, obvious instance of nullification.
Starting point is 00:31:49 No one did anything about it. We've had them since Vietnam. Absolutely. And then the right, when they came, you know, are in those situations, never do anything like that. So now recently you have, again, nullification with. Mom Dani holding a press conference saying we will not comply with federal law enforcement on immigration. So here's a guy who campaign saying, if you vote for me, vote for me in this city, I will fight against the American people. That's what he said. Explicit. Well, I'm paraphrasing.
Starting point is 00:32:15 We're doing against the federal government against the federal. No, against the American people. Oh, not every American person. The American people voted on a top issue, which was immigration, with even black voters in Chicago saying we are being replaced. Donald Trump wins the plurality with a mandate. The people want immigration enforced. Mom Donny went to New Yorkers and said, vote for me and I will fight them. I will stop them. And he's actively been doing it.
Starting point is 00:32:39 He should be criminally charged with sedition for this. Instead, Trump invites him the White House and says, oh, I like him. And they're pals. And Mom Donny has said that he gives Trump a call, you know, and the two of them love New York City. And so they want to do what's best for the city. But you have him also extorting Kathy Hokel, like there's billions more dollars in the New York State budget for New York.
Starting point is 00:32:59 city this year than there was last year. All of his programs are these like deep entrenched social programs. And once they're in place, it's going to be really hard to get rid of them. I really, I really love how Daredevil Season 2. You know what? Actually, this is really interesting. The boys this season accidentally like crop dusted reality with Trump and Daredevil is accidentally cropped dusting with Mandani. So have you guys watched? The Boys or Daredevil season, Daredevil One again season two? Not the second season. I saw the first one.
Starting point is 00:33:33 So the boys, of course, is somewhat frustrating in that they really just ham it up like Trump, you know, his homelander. And it's kind of weird to be like Trump is Superman as an insult, seriously. So they just make him an asshole and it's like, okay. But they had an episode of the Boys where Homelander hallucinates this woman he used to suckle on, literally suckle on because they're obsessed with it. And he says, I'm, it's like, it's like she floats to him as an angel, has a vision, and he says, I'm the savior, I'm the Messiah or whatever. And Trump put out that meme. And everybody was like, this is really weird. And then you actually have in one of the later episodes, again, these episodes are written and filmed before everything, where they're talking about efforts taken by Homelander, who's manipulating the president, are going to cause a spike in oil prices. And OPEC will revolt. And it's going to cut off the West. So they're, they're, The U.S. is now ramping up oil production, and they're building an oil pipeline.
Starting point is 00:34:33 And I'm like, you know, here's a thing. Daredevil Season 2 is about Kingpin, a charismatic criminal, rallies all the people, and they all support him, and they vote for him. He becomes despotic. I don't want a spoiler alert, I guess, goes to war with the governor, threatens her and makes demands from her. She refuses, tries to have her assassinated. Again, I'm not suggesting everyone's doing those things.
Starting point is 00:34:56 But it is interesting how Daredevil Season 2 is about. a corrupt mayor taking over, claiming he loves the city, and threatening the governor, and then trying to kill her, and then Daredewell has to fight the mayor. And I'm like, you know, now what I will say is the cops are actually not the bad guys. There's a rogue task force. So we're not really there yet. But I did very much enjoy Daredevil season two. They're not doing like a Trump thing.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Kingpin is Kingpin. He has his own armed force with illegal weapons that they, they, they, they, they, they, they brought in and the cops stand against them in the end. But I just thought it was funny that, you know, these two shows are kind of, you know, although they'll probably argue, no, no, Zorn Mammani's the good guy. I'm like, yeah, no. No, he's definitely not the good guy. Definitely not.
Starting point is 00:35:46 How much of is it, is it that Zoran Mamm Dani is just cognitively impaired? I don't think he's at all cognitively impaired. I think that he is, everything that he's doing is intentional and on purpose and that he is seeking to create New York City as some sort of socialist utopia where everyone relies on the government for everything from transportation to food to employment, to health care, to child care, to anything else he can come up with. That's the plan. The plan is to deprive Americans of their rights by replacing liberty with ease. And, you know, people are so uneducated at this point with a sixth grade education that they're going to go along with it. And so the failure is going
Starting point is 00:36:26 back to the educational system where no one has learned civics, no one has learned about our founding documents. Very few have, you know, I mean, my son has for sure, but that's because he's inquisitive, and me and his dad teach him all that stuff. But yeah, that's what's going to happen. And by the time Americans are completely deprived of their liberty and they have what they think is an easy life and they're thoroughly controlled, it's going to be way too late. Well, and this is also why you're getting lots of mass immigration, right? Because again, it's low and high versus the middle. Not only do you have these students who aren't learning about it, you have a lot of immigrants who come in who just have no connection to the tradition. They're not familiar with the history. They don't have these
Starting point is 00:37:02 expectations. And what they walk in is like, well, even a bad life in America is way better than the life I had back there. So I'll do and vote for, you know, do whatever Democrats say I'll vote for whatever they want because they're going to give me stuff and I don't have that back home and I certainly don't have it now that I've moved here. So you're basically moving in an entire underclass yet again that you can use to leverage against existing Americans that might be able to oppose what you're doing. I think the values. Absolutely. There's no off ramp. right with the redistricting war we're seeing hyper-polarization but there is a solution artificial intelligence surveillance uh you either hook the electrode to the brain and stimulate the
Starting point is 00:37:38 dopamine until they don't work anymore or you track them with AI surveillance and remove them from the equation before they can become a problem illegal immigrants or just no no i'm saying if you were the powers that be and you were like uh-oh we brought on all these immigrants and now there's going to be a civil war. You say, okay, blast out AI. So the people who fall into the AI trap and just basically self-gratify all day will disappear. Anybody who tries to stand up will track with mass surveillance and then just remove them on some fake. Your face was identified by a camera. Oh, and they'll give you all kinds of stuff for that. And that is a no way of conspiracy theory. That's literally what's happening. All of our tech alerts are running towards the solution.
Starting point is 00:38:17 This is why every single guy is currently obsessed with AI because they know this is the only way that continue to rule at scale. It's the only way that can control the population. Don't you want to just put on the VR headset and go to a world exactly as you would describe it? And we've already putting kill switches in every car in the United States is the current plan that both parties are for some reason rubber stamping.
Starting point is 00:38:39 So it's very well. I'm so against that. You should be. Our ancestors fought over T-Tas. Yes. And we're just going willingly. Yes. Let me ask you, let's say, you know, like one day, government dudes, men in black show up to your house or whatever, and they're like, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:56 you're a problem for what we're doing, so we're going to give you a choice. You can stop doing politics and we'll pay you, just never do politics again, disappear. Here's a VR helmet. You can put it on, play video games all day, order pizza, or solitary confinement and merciless beatings, which would you pick? I mean, the option is go down shooting, right? Like at that point, There's no reason to live in a virtual world. Like, there's nothing real there. There's no. Well, I don't mean literally I'm saying like, we'll pay you to shut up.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Yeah, no. I'm saying like play video games all day. Here's money. You'll have a salary. You can just go away and let us take over. Well, our sci-fi authors told us about this already. You know, we have Fahrenheit 451. I'm dedicated to being the house on the street that doesn't have the blue light coming from it.
Starting point is 00:39:43 You know what we should do? You know what I want to do? I want to launch an advertising firm. And then I just want to just offer money to very, political commentators for what seemingly would be like normal products just to see who would take it. And the products will always be like, you know, this is a really good idea, actually. This would be a great culture jam. You know, with the animal farm thing, we saw a ton of conservatives shill for communism because they were paid to do it. But it would be funny to do the inverse to liberals
Starting point is 00:40:09 and some more conservatives too. I'd love to rep mrap mull up. And then you like launch a product where it seems somewhat normal. Like, you know, it's a face cream. And it's like, yeah, it's like to clear up your acne, it's like organic. But then it turns out it's made with like aborted baby parts. Just like see how many conservatives would sell that because they'd probably all do it. Well, they wouldn't notice. They wouldn't look into it. They wouldn't put on the website and be like made with aborted baby parts.
Starting point is 00:40:31 It was funny. That whole thing where you were going against the animal farm. My son was like, why is Tim hate this animal farm? What's up with it? And I told him like the whole thing. And he was like, oh. And then he comes home yesterday. He's like, so I watched the 1958 animal farm.
Starting point is 00:40:46 It was really good. He like went and found the oil. Well, that was made by the CIA. The old one? Yeah, the cartoon. Interesting. Yeah, because they were like, hey, look, communism is bad. Everybody watched, and it bombed.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Like, people didn't care. Well, it worked. My son came home and said communism is bad. So let me ask you guys this. Would you be happy if the government started funding anti-communist propaganda? Like, let's say Donald Trump was like, we're going to be launching a new media division
Starting point is 00:41:11 a billion dollars in grants for content creators. And then they, like, gave Seamus Coglin, like $10 million to make cartoons. It depends on how they do it. because I really don't like when people say, I hate communists. Communists are the problem, because I think communism is the problem. If it was a move to educate people
Starting point is 00:41:28 about the dangers of communism, I'm in. I feel like they've spent a lot of more money on stuff that we don't need. But to the question, would you be upset if Donald Trump said we're going to allocate public funding towards anti-communist propaganda? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:41:41 We already allocate massive amounts of funding to communist propaganda. We call it public schools. So, yeah, no, it would be nice to have a little bit of a switch up there. Yeah, I mean, I'd like to see an end to the propagandist funding of our textbooks, making them, you know, pro-Islam and all the rest of it. I'd rather see anti-communist propaganda than anything else.
Starting point is 00:41:59 And that being said, I'd rather just have good schools where people can learn how to think for themselves and how to form- How would you feel about Trump announcing he was going to be enforcing the ban on communism, which is still law. I don't know what that looks like. What about ban on communism being-for-like? Yeah, somebody who is an avid communist can only run for office, disqualified from office. they can't their their exceptions to the Civil Rights Act. I think it's fair. If you're an avowed monarchist, you shouldn't be running for public office in the United States.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Saying you want to be king. What was the law called? I don't remember. What was this McCarthy? The bill and communism bill. This was like the McCarthy stuff. Yeah, you know that communists are exempt from the Civil Rights Act, right? I mean, I believe that communists shouldn't have civil rights.
Starting point is 00:42:44 So if you are according to the law, and this is why I say the law is meaning. list. What matters is the willingness of a people to exert authority. It was Josie that actually, you know, went viral on X for posting this. The law, I believe the Civil Rights Act actually has an exemption for communists. That means if you're a communist and you go to like a bakery and some guy is like, hey, you know, you're a particular religion. Get out. And he goes, hey, you can't tell me that's a violation of the Civil Rights Act. And they go, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're a communist. Okay, no protections. Well, communism isn't a religion. It's an ideology.
Starting point is 00:43:18 No, no, no, but you have no, protections for any reason if you are protected class plus communist. So if they're like, women aren't allowed in here, that's not allowed to go, actually, I can kick you up because you're a communist. Because I'm a commie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:31 Well, communism is not. You got to teach, I think, every generation about communism because it comes from just a general Human Instinct. Communism Control Act of 1954. It comes from this human instinct of, we together are strong, which is true. We're communal animals, communal leading towards.
Starting point is 00:43:46 But so people say, If we come together, we can overcome the problem, which is also true. But then what happens? A small group of people are still in control. It's called vanguardism. There are no communist governments. They're all vanguardists, the Chinese, the Soviets. They were vanguardists.
Starting point is 00:44:00 So this is actually a really interesting problem. James Burnham wrote a book called The Managerial Revolution. And basically what he was trying to explain is that communism, fascism, and yes, even liberal democracy, were all basically converging on the same system of managerialism, the elite vanguard that you're describing there. And so what we're really talking about is not the issue of communism. What we're talking about is the issue of high-scale centralized governments and a managerial process. And that's why it reliably produces the same outcome. People say, oh, fascism and communism is the same thing. Well, kind of, because they're actually all trying to deal with the same problem, which is mass
Starting point is 00:44:37 consumption, mass production, the creation of, you know, kind of the industrial revolution and modern capitalism. They're all reactions to that. And so if you don't understand it in that historical framework, you don't really get what the problem with communism is. Yeah, the economic issues of communism are real, but you're really looking at is the problem of scale, something that we still are not capable of dealing with. And so it produces these perverse ideological incentives that work themselves out reliably in systems like communism. I got to show a correction. So it's specifically that members of communist organizations that were subject to registration. So these are communist action organizations, front organizations, and I believe I actually have a
Starting point is 00:45:17 of what defines the organization. They're officially on paper saying. Communist Party of the United States, any successors of such party regardless of assumed name, whose objective purpose is to overthrow the government of the United States or the government of any state, territory district or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force, are not entitled to any rights, privileges, and amenities attended upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof.
Starting point is 00:45:42 And whatever rights, privileges, and immunities, which have hereto-for been, been, granted to that party or any subsidy organization by raising the laws of the United States shall be terminated. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So basically Donald Trump could he could literally be like are you a communist?
Starting point is 00:45:58 Like the DSA, for instance. Any subsequent successors of the Communist Party? And then he could be like, okay, you now have no rights under the United States at all. That would be probably too far because they're socialists not technically communist. Yeah, but that's how you get to communism. That's immaterial.
Starting point is 00:46:15 But that's like Zohran Mangani. is how you get to speeding. It doesn't mean this way. So Ron Mamdani brought a woman on his campaign who says hire more, elect more communists. And Zornam Dani himself has posts about being a communist, but then just says I'm a socialist,
Starting point is 00:46:26 it's meaningless distinction to these people. It doesn't matter, however, because the law says any successor thereof. On paper, yeah, on paper. They have to like write down, I'm part of a thing. Incorrect. You said they have to be titled
Starting point is 00:46:37 that they've joined a thing of communism. They can't just say, I'm a communist and get lose all. Yeah, you weren't listening to what I just read. Well, I was. I just, maybe I didn't understand it. Perhaps that's what it is. the law that I just read says any successor of the Communist Party.
Starting point is 00:46:51 That's ill-defined. Trump could you say? No, not on paper. But I think it's saying that like a successor of the Communist Party meaning like, regardless of assumed name. Well, hey me. My point is this. The law doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:47:07 We have the VRA. We have Section 2. And I'll have to hear your thoughts on this. The Voting Rights Act says no discrimination based on race in voting. So in 1965, the courts go, okay, this means you have to make all black districts. Today, under the exact same language, Supreme Court says, no, no, that means you can't make all black districts. It's the same law with inverted meaning. So the point is, Trump could look at this law and say the DSA is a successor party of the Communist Party.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Anybody who says their DSA has just forfeited all rights. Yeah, this is a constant part of the Civil Rights Act, actually. So originally when it was written, it said, for instance, that you couldn't privilege people due to the race or specifically, you know, draw lines when it comes to outcomes. And then a few years later, the courts ruled in Griggs v. Duke Power that you could create this disparate impact test. And if there's any disparate impact between the races, even if you can't prove there was racism, you are by default violating the Civil Rights Act and it's therefore racist. So this has been the case with the Civil Rights Act forever. They just rewrite it whenever they want to. It doesn't mean anything.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Ian, they, in 2022, 23, 24, they raided Donald Trump's home, falsely accused him of crimes, falsely accused him of civil fraud. They arrested his lawyers for providing legal service. They sued Texas to block them from being able to redistrict. They locked up all of the J-6ers, many in solitary confinement for years, some who did literal nothing. Owen Schroier, who never even walked in the building, and you're saying, no, it's going too far. So the question is... I'm reading about it right now.
Starting point is 00:48:48 The DSA is Formed 1982, 1988, 1982, and it was a merger of two left-wing organizations, the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee, and the New American Movement. So it wasn't a subsidiary of the Communist Party. That has nothing to do with what we were talking. The law says if it comes from like a subsidiary or a word of...
Starting point is 00:49:04 Successor. A successor to the Communist Party. This was not. This is a new formation of a different ideology. I don't think you understand what we're talking about. the point that we are making is that the law is what the person with power decides it is. Of course, it's
Starting point is 00:49:16 interpretable by the courts, yes. Indeed. You could just say the DSA is a successor to the communist. I would disagree with that statement. I asked you a question, Ian. They arrested Trump. They raided his home. They targeted his family. They arrested his lawyers. They put J-6 in solitary confinement for years for trespass. Owen Schroier went to prison, didn't
Starting point is 00:49:32 even enter the building. And they, at sentencing, they said he deserved a longer sentence because he had criticized them in the time between. What point is too far for you? 2012? I was pushed too far in 2012 when Obama wanted to sign us onto the TPP. I've already been pushed too far, Tim.
Starting point is 00:49:50 So I disagree because your argument is that Trump should not do anything. On TV, my argument is a lot of that stuff, yeah. But what do you, I mean, I'm about as radical as it comes, dude. Okay, so Donald Trump should go arrest communist. I'm not saying that. Right, because they haven't gone too far for you. Because we're on TV, and I don't talk about that kind of stuff on TV, bro, because we're subverting the world economic order.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Like, what do you want to? What? We're trying to preserve American freedom, man. You can't just overtly say it. You've got to do it. What? Yes, Trump should go arrest these people. I'm not, I don't, I don't, I don't, I mean, depends on who.
Starting point is 00:50:21 Zoran, Mamdani. There's a lot of these arrests. They're like, okay, let's call me. Let's say Comey, for instance. Let's, like, what's he going to get out of an arrest of Comey? I don't know, emotional satisfaction. What, what? So let's go back to the original point of the conversation.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Zoran Mamdani campaigned on fighting the American people. The American people said, hey, we should. and have illegal immigration. And Zarmamandhi says, I will stop them. Okay, that, that is, that is, that is seditious. I mean, he's crossing the line. My take, if I was in charge, if I was the president and a, and a mayor said that, I would have mass surveillance on that guy 24-7. And if he makes a move that's actually illegal, he did. Well, a big, I would, I'm not going to charge him and then get the charges dropped. I, I got a question for you, Arnd, do you think, do you think that Trump and his administration They're cognizant of these things, but they're playing strategically.
Starting point is 00:51:13 I think they're aware, and I'm with you, that the Trump administration should be far more aggressive and far more creative with its use of the law and power. I will say one thing, however, that is a huge stumbling block. The thing that Biden and Obama and all these people have going for them is that all of the system already aligns with what they want to do and what they want to believe. So the reason that it feels like guys like Obama or Biden are ultimately more powerful when they're in office isn't because they gained in. any kind of new ability by taking over that office. You know, the Article 2 of the Constitution didn't change. What happens is all the other branches of government, all the other mechanisms, all of the bureaucracy is already aligned with them.
Starting point is 00:51:52 And so they just move in that direction and allow them to do whatever they want to do. When Trump's in office, all of that machinery is pushing against it. So I think the administration is doing its best to try to turn that chip. I think that's why you're seeing Army Dillon and others kind of doing good work. But half of her office won't work for her. Even now, after so many people have been fired and left, because, they just hate the Republicans and they're going to dig in and do that. Same thing with the FBI. We've already seen Dan Bongino more or less tell us that the FBI wasn't really working for Trump or a good
Starting point is 00:52:20 percentage of them weren't. They are not under the control of the government. So technically the Republicans won that election. Technically Trump is in power. But when you look at the actual mechanisms of government, they don't have access to the same thing. And so I don't think they can use the law the same way that the left has, even though I think they should do the most they can. Should Trump run for a third term. No. I mean, at that point, let's just, you know, skip over the formalities here and get rid of the running part. Yeah, that's not going to happen. I mean, Trump's going to leave and someone else's going to come in. He's 80. What do you think of Rubio? I like Rubio. He's done a really great job. He's been very professional. I think he's done a good job, too. I think Marco Rubio has
Starting point is 00:52:59 shilled for amnesty his entire life and then suddenly turned around for a year and said, actually, maybe I don't believe in amnesty because the Trump administration told me I don't. And then just yesterday he was saying, actually, anyone from anywhere can be an American again. So I'm very, very worried about Marco Rubio when it comes to. What he was saying was, I think, a little different. I think he was saying that anyone from anywhere can come here and achieve. But I think what he, my interpretation of that, because I thought that those were really great remarks. And I think that my understanding of an American, and I think you might disagree with me, but it's, It's someone who is, you're either born in America and you accept, you know, our values and our culture and you're part of this country and it's where you're from.
Starting point is 00:53:43 Or if you're an immigrant and you come here, you cast off all your other ties, you cast off any allegiance to your home nation and you say, I'm going to be an American. I'm going to embrace these values, this culture, these founding documents, and I'm going to do my best to achieve on these terms. So I do think that immigrants have a place in this country and have a place to, you know, achieve and take advantage of everything. that's great that there is to offer, but not to come here and get handouts. But that's not we're getting at all. That's exactly the opposite. And we don't have any solution for us. I think that that's what Rubio was talking about. That's how it sounded to me. But he has to come up against the problem here. And we're hearing a lot of this. We just heard Gorsuch talk about how we are a creedal nation. We don't have a shared religion. We don't have a shared heritage. We
Starting point is 00:54:29 don't have any of these things. It's just we're people with a set of documents and that's all we are. a total misinterpretation of what the documents actually are and what they stand for, because if you grow up in this country, if you embrace these documents, if you embrace these ideals, then that creates a common culture. This is a misunderstanding of the nature of political constitutions. So constitutions are not a document that you think of a priori, and then they push down and dictate the way you live your life. They emanate from the way of being of the people in the first place.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Right, that's exactly right. So if you're raised in accordance with these ideals, then that becomes our culture. It doesn't become our culture. It was already our culture. That's the key. It's a continuity of a tradition and a heritage. It's not simply something that you adopt because you feel like now you want to be part of America. You have to be in a way of being.
Starting point is 00:55:17 If you're an immigrant, then you have to adopt it. But they don't. And we don't enforce that. No, we don't enforce assimilation. Ilhan Omar hates the Constitution. Sure. We don't enforce assimilation. And that's a problem.
Starting point is 00:55:29 get expelled from the country. She's allowed to literally have one of the most important positions in the country. No, I understand that. And I think that that's completely ridiculous. And how would we shift that without changing the understanding of what America is? Assimulation used to be much more enforced. It was enforced in our schools and our educational system. It was enforced by parents who were immigrants who come here and they say, you know, you're going to be American now. We're not going to speak Italian at home. We're not going to use our Italian names. You know, that was certainly my ancestors on one side. You also have, and he's derided for it,
Starting point is 00:56:02 but you also have the way Henry Ford took, you know, took that. I had a friend 20 years ago, I was skating in Chicago, and Mexican dude, one day he came to the skate park and he was super pissed off. And I was like, bro, you're all pissed off. And he started complaining about white people. And then I was like, I don't know why your own man.
Starting point is 00:56:24 He started talking smack about white people. They steal everything. They stole this land. And then he said, my grandmother told me to have as many kids as possible so that we can steal the land back from them because we outvote them. And then I was like, wow, sure, whatever, I don't know. I'm skating, bro. I've seen this.
Starting point is 00:56:41 It's kind of wild. A common misconception against lower-tiered thinking people on the left. They really believe it's about race, that when there's immigration and people on the right are upset that the city is now multicultural, whatever. They're like, oh, they hate black people or they hate Indian people. where the real concern is the cultural de-homite, what do you want to call it, deconstruction? That's what people are.
Starting point is 00:57:02 There are racists, of course, but there are many people are afraid that the American culture is being diffused. Not that the race. It's not about race. Let me play this video for you, you, Ian, all right? Check this out. So we got this video.
Starting point is 00:57:12 It's from Black People of Reddit, and its response is comment, voting may matter within the Constitutional Republic, but while the Constitution Republic is nearly an open-air prison, listen to what this man has to say. Apparently, we can't listen to what he has to say. Let me pause real quick. We're listening, but I heard nothing.
Starting point is 00:57:28 It's because it's default muted. Listening and hearing are not the same thing. I am so fucking tired of white men cosplaying the apocalypse. The only fucking reason why we needed the goddamn voting rights act in the first place is because of white men. I don't care that you don't fucking see the value in it. Neither did your great-grandfather. And that's the fucking reason we have it. It got passed in the fucking 60s.
Starting point is 00:57:52 I am tired of it. I'm tired of fucking pretending that the motherfucker responsible for us needing it aren't alive. They're alive and you call them grandma. So no, white boy, I don't care what the fuck you think about the goddamn voting rights act. I don't care what any white person thinks about it. At fucking all. Because the only reason we need any of this shit is because white people needed to be
Starting point is 00:58:20 told in writing not to be awful. That's why. You guys don't like that. I should tell him in writing. But that's what laws are. They're telling you not to be a piece of shit. It's very weird that we have so many fucking laws surrounding race because white men won't fucking be better. They won't be better.
Starting point is 00:58:42 They won't do better. It doesn't fucking matter what year it is. In the year of our Lord, 2026, we are still discussing the merits of black people fucking voting because you are not different than your fucking ancestors. You know, I thought about it for a while. The first reaction I had was like it was like a visceral angered him, just attacking white people. And I'm not completely white, but I'm a little. And then I stopped and really thought about what he was saying.
Starting point is 00:59:07 And I was like, no, I mean, he's right. People need to be told based on their race to be better. And when it turns out, according to the FBI crime stats, that's largely black men committing all the violent crimes, this man has inspired me. and I think based on his advocacy and his name, we shall put forth laws that give you harsher penalties if you commit a crime while being black.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Is that the argument he's making? Is that what you would like, sir? Well, he says white men are bad and they got to do better, and I'm like, yeah. And, you know, and there's bad people who are black. So maybe if he says we need laws to stop white people from being bad, maybe if we make laws specifically targeting black people the way he's argued, it might stop the murders.
Starting point is 00:59:54 at the point. You would probably tell you that there already are those laws in place. If this dude was a white dude with like maybe a shaved head and he was screaming about black people, you black people. Could you imagine how much negative attention he'd be getting? You know what? You know what we can do? We can put this through AI and actually do that and that'd be hilarious.
Starting point is 01:00:12 That's a good idea. It was such a racist. That's like the first good use of AI. I have ever heard in the life. Well, I mean, the funny thing about this is, you know, we're doing the old, well, what if the roles were reversed, which is, yeah. Yeah, okay. So obviously you can be racist against white people and not black people, news at 11. But also like the bigger part of his rant here is like, well, why do you have so many laws centered around race?
Starting point is 01:00:33 And actually, that's a really great question, right? Because the left says we have to have them because America's inherently racist. And without that, we're going to have all of the racist outcomes that Americans really want. But the funny thing is you can't get Republicans to roll these back either usually. Like it's kind of impressive that we finally saw that in the Voting Rights Act. and once again, God bless Clarence Thomas and his absolute like just carrying the constitutional order on his shoulders.
Starting point is 01:00:59 However, one of the reasons those laws exist is despite decades and decades and decades of basically rigging the entire system in favor of minorities, we still see disparate outcomes. We have changed the laws to make it harder to fire minorities, easier to hire them, make it basically illegal to have too many white people
Starting point is 01:01:19 in your office. We've done this with... None of these things have education, and none of this has significantly shifted the outcomes. In fact, they've become worse. That was one of the things that radicalized me as well in 2012. I went to Occupy Wall Street, 2011, whatever was. I was going to speak and I was going to speak and know we had too many white people speak. We're a victim of the progressive stack.
Starting point is 01:01:37 I also want to just point out the stupidity here when he's like, you call him grandma. Like, bro, that was 1965. My grandparents are not alive. I'm 40 years old, dude. So look, bro, we're post slavery. This country is still young. There are some hundred-year-olds around, I guess. But in 1965, when these laws were being passed, the voting block that was influencing this, that passed this, they were in their late 30s or 40s.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Those people are not 100. They're not around anymore. Well, everyone also forgets that everyone also always forgets that that march on Washington was a march for civil rights and jobs. So there were a lot of working class people out there who just wanted like, you know, a job. They just wanted like decent wages. And that was a huge part of it. And that was a huge part of how you got such a wide coalition of things. people who were in favor of these, in favor of that whole, you know, civil rights thing.
Starting point is 01:02:26 In what way do they get jobs? Were they looking for? Oh, I don't know if they got jobs, but that was what the march was called, you know? And I know that like, I, you know, I know there's people in my family ancestors, whatever, people who went to the march and that's what they were there for. It was like civil rights and jobs. They wanted like, just like people now today are like, we want good jobs so we can raise our families, you know, without worrying about having to get five jobs.
Starting point is 01:02:50 That's the same kind of thing. I want to nitpick this guy's argument a little bit because America's very young country and it's just freshly post-slavery in the grand scheme of things 100 years or whatever, 170 years, 160 years. So like our slaves happen to be from one part of the world. The skin color of those people happened to be the way that was. It's not like if we'd take an Indian slaves, then all this whole thing would be about Indians, wanting Indian rights and Indians. Did you see the thing though, the Green Party in the UK?
Starting point is 01:03:18 Did you see this woman in the Green Party? she was demanding reparations for slavery from the government. And it turned out, yeah, whatever, Green Party, they're idiots. But this black woman in the UK demanding reparations, and it turned out that she was descended from a tribe that sold Africans into slavery. I mean, if you look at it now, there's more slavery right now in the Middle East than there was during the entire slave trade in the United States. I got to say something, because the one thing I can respect for a lot of the social justice stuff,
Starting point is 01:03:49 is I was hanging out at the poker room as one does, and there was a black dude he was playing. And a question came up, I can't remember why, but someone mentioned, like, Europe and their grandparents. And I said, oh, you can become a citizen. Like, apparently, in some circumstances, if your grandparent is from there, you can go back and then reapply. And then this guy asked me, is like, oh, you could do that? And I was like, no, I can't do that.
Starting point is 01:04:12 I was like, I can get a B visa from Korea, which is like a two-year live work for being part Korean. And he goes, yeah. He's like, I don't got nothing like that because I don't know where my family came from. And I was like, oh, I was like, yeah, that's kind of messed up. And he's like, yeah, that's kind of messed up. And he's like, yeah, he goes, I love Trump. And I just thought it was funny that, like, this conversation is pointing out that the history of many, of most black people's country.
Starting point is 01:04:36 I say most because there's people coming from Haiti or they immigrate here. But there are a lot of people who descend from slaves. They don't have that. I know where my country is. At the same time, this guy loved Trump and he hated Democrats. Well, his country is right here. Like, this is his country. Well, Black Americans have a real ethnogenesis because of that,
Starting point is 01:04:52 because they didn't have any tie to previous heritage. Right, like America is the country for Black Americans. I can point that, yes, but I also think there is something, I can respect the position of I don't have that. Like, I wasn't complaining. It wasn't saying I've been aggrieved. He was just like, yeah, I don't have that. I was like, oh, yeah, wow, like I understand it.
Starting point is 01:05:12 But he loved Trump, and it was funny. And then some white guy at the table said, Trump is the worst ever. I just think it's hilarious. And I'm like, you know, he said to me, he goes, Trump's a gangster. And he's like, and all the black people love him. And I was like, I don't know about all of them. And he was like, well, where I come from?
Starting point is 01:05:25 And then the white guys at the table were just like, he's the worst president we've ever had. It's just a funny contrast. I don't think he's even close to the worst president we've ever had. No, I think he's one of the best, actually. Yeah. At least he's the best president of my lifetime. And I said that. And I was like, guys, you got to understand the bar is underground at this point.
Starting point is 01:05:42 So they're being a bar laying on the ground. and that's Trump and we can just like look at it is better than we've had in our life. He's bucking the CIA he seems to be which is what Kennedy tried to do and failed at because he's I think Trump was ready for it. Yes what do you say? Ripping the shreds, scatrim him to wind or whatever, splinter him. Yeah Kennedy
Starting point is 01:05:59 said that and then I don't know when he ended up at the bottom of whatever. And then he died. Well they tried to kill Trump four times. I find definitely find the racial element of slavery a correlation because of where the slaves of this nation were taken from. Like if it had been
Starting point is 01:06:14 you know, North African Carthaginian culture that had been taken Roman slaves 200 years later after they're freed all the slaves would have been white guys and they would have been complaining for white people rights because all the Carthaginians
Starting point is 01:06:27 have dark skin and they have all the money. So like it's just, it doesn't really matter. It's just about, you know, it's more about who, it's less about what you look like. The thing too is like the African slave traders didn't end slavery.
Starting point is 01:06:40 The British ended slavery. You know, like at the entire narrative is backwards and wrong. Well, this thing is all a system of control because they have Black Lives Matter and replace an immigration in Ireland, which was literally a place that was oppressed for centuries. By the English. By the English. And had nothing to do with the slave trade or any of it.
Starting point is 01:07:00 But they use the same rhetoric in Ireland that they use in the United States. You just have to step over this stuff. It's baseless. It's over. Look, if we ever want to have a society, you've got to not care about slavery. We have to stop making slavery something we worship. and it's the only thing. When I was a teacher, I taught so many students,
Starting point is 01:07:16 and the only two things they knew about America is that we invented slavery. Yes, they all believe that. That we invented slavery, of course. But these people are fervent, and what do you do when you have a fervent horde fighting for their zeal, like their ideology? You get them to trip over their own feet
Starting point is 01:07:32 because they're charging ahead without looking. They're fervor. That's one way to do it. I mean, I think one by one, you make internet videos explaining the real history of slavery in a charismatic way. In your solution to everything is making an internet video.
Starting point is 01:07:45 It's a powerful tech, dude. Humans still don't understand how powerful is to be. I got to give you a little pushback on that one because today I'm flipping through Instagram. I kid you not, every other video was someone going, this person tweeted in 2022,
Starting point is 01:07:59 Corona ends 23, haunt of virus. They were all saying the exact same things. And I'm just thinking like, do these people have brains? This is a horrible place to be. This is awful. I want to be a chicken farmer.
Starting point is 01:08:10 I quit. I'm a child of 2006. YouTube where the people that were driving the global narrative were on YouTube. I don't know if that's still the case with AI and massive, massive misinformation. And it's so easy now. It's so common relative to it was 15 years ago. But the power of this technology is being insane. The way you can create mass formation with your ideas.
Starting point is 01:08:32 Anyone can. So do it. Form better ideas. Fake too, you know. What's that? It's really easy to fake, putting money into these systems to just promote content. Yeah, when Google bought YouTube, I made a video. It's still on my Cross Mac channel of losing my mind.
Starting point is 01:08:48 Because I wasn't that. I was like, well, here we go, the corporatization of internet video. We had it for two years. It was the free Wild West from 2006 to 2008, but then people started getting paid. It's also the tyranny of algorithms. Eventually, there's just a maximal way to game the algorithm, only one way, only one set of news stories, only one way to master the news cycle so that you stay on top. and then everyone just converges on that strategy.
Starting point is 01:09:13 The best practices become the only thing that dictates what people cover. My hypothesis was to create the news by doing a more entertaining show than whatever's out there. Well, I will say that actually we're reverting back to the you will get more views doing news production. There was a period where news production was waning because it was too easy to aggregate, but now aggregation is saturated and news production is going to come back. Let's jump to this from you, Gov. How many Americans think they could beat Donald Trump? in a fight. Would you be surprised to find out that Republicans actually think they can't?
Starting point is 01:09:47 Check it out. Who do you think would win in a physical fight between you and Trump? Democrats, 75% said they would. 5% said Trump would. 30% of Republicans said they would, but 39 said Trump would. What say you, Ian? I don't want to say that I would beat up the president. It's a sanctioned fight. I think, in a sanction fight? I'd go for the legs, dude. He's too top-heavy. I'd wrap him up like a snake, bro, and I'd get behind his neck. I'd have to tie my hair back, though. I think Trump has an aura of weakness where he makes other people fall to their knees when they're around him. People have said this, that they get in the room with them and they're just, like, stuck in awe of him.
Starting point is 01:10:25 But if you're able to overcome that, I think you could easily defeat the 80-year-old. So here's the thing. He is 80. I actually think Republicans are actually correct. The 39% said Trump would win. You know why? Security. You need to consider, no, you need to consider the people who are being asked will include small women, the elderly, and the infirm.
Starting point is 01:10:49 So actually seeing about 39% say, yeah, Trump could probably beat me up. There could be a 70-year-old guy who's like, you know, he's old, we're old, but he's bigger than me. Now look at this one. Who do you think would win in a fight between an eight-year-old boy and Trump? Democrats, 54% said an eight-year-old boy. I can't take polls seriously anymore. I can't do it, dude. 50%
Starting point is 01:11:09 50% of the... 54% of Democrats think an 8-year-old boy could beat up 240-pound 6-foot-3 Donald Trump. I think that's a bit... Do they really mean that?
Starting point is 01:11:21 Donald Trump would... I'm sorry, I know Trump's old, but he could still punch the kid in the face. He also has the golf clubs, you know? Well, Trump was in Home Alone 2 where he met Kevin McAllister, so we could have had the showdown.
Starting point is 01:11:34 Like, you could have had... You know, he was about 8 years old at the time. have found out. We could have been in his prime at that time. They cut that sequence. They cut that sequence when they re-eared it in Canada. The thing is that, you know, Trump has strong sprawl defense. So when the little kid goes for the takedown, you know, Trump's all over. He just put the hand and smash him. Who are these 6% of Republicans that think Trump can't beat up an eight-year-old boy? Do they not know like an eight-year-old boy weighs like 70 pounds? Well, maybe they're thinking of their kid who like is eight but has been exposed to too much testosterone and I don't know.
Starting point is 01:12:05 I mean, if the kid gets a good, like a hook, in like a really strong uppercut. Trump's not a fast guy. I definitely don't think I could beat him. But he's tall. Little kids on uppercutting 6 foot 3 Donald Trump. I'd have to go for the nuts. Yeah, that's really the key there.
Starting point is 01:12:19 If he can get the nuts strike in. Like how vicious is this fight? Is this a street fight level? Or is this like MMA? Is this gloves? No gloves? Can you grab? And who's the kid?
Starting point is 01:12:28 Crushed up ornaments under the windowsill. Right, right. Swinging paint cans. Hot eyes. Okay, hold on. If it is Kevin McAllister, Kevin McAllister. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:12:37 slips on a banana peel and then like lands on a hot coal or something. If he could take the wet bandits, he can certainly take the red bandits. I once slipped on a banana peel and my friends who I was walking with just died laughing and I'm like on the ground trying to get up. Were you next to like a marble factory? It was just all the trash in New York City. Did it you go, did it slip forward and you went back? See this?
Starting point is 01:13:01 Yes, it was like cartoon. So look, look, when I first read this. They couldn't believe it. They were like, you actually slipped on a banana. When I first read this, I was like, what Republican thinks Trump could beat them up? It's insane. Like, if there was a sanctioned MMA fight, Dana White and Trump came in, I'm 40, but I'm sorry. He's got, he's got, you know, half a foot on me, but I could still win a fight against an 80-year-old man.
Starting point is 01:13:20 And then I thought about it. And I was like, you know, there's, if this is waited for age and gender, there's going to be a bunch of women who are like, look, I'm five, two, 100 pounds. I ain't fighting Trump, you know? He has a strong grip. We all know that. He likes to shake that hand really tight. So if he gets in on you, unless you're over 130 pounds. And also there's veterans in wheelchairs that probably were like not.
Starting point is 01:13:42 You also have to factor in. Trump might be old, but this is a man who literally took a bullet right next to the head and popped back up. He's a scrappy guy. He's right. For 80, he's going to put up a fight at least. But I do think this is, you know, I posted that it's a slow news day. And then someone said it's not that there's no news. It's that our tolerance has been built up to an extreme degree.
Starting point is 01:14:02 That's very true. You know, because Jess, who works here, she was like, we're on the verge of civil. Civil War, World War III, the AI takeover and an alien invasion, and there's no news today. Like, dude, we're in the Iranian, the Hormuz, Shrader Hormuz. If this was 2007, I'd be screaming my head off daily about it on the internet. I'm so desensitized to this thing. The entire global economy is just sitting there teetering on the edge of the abyss and we're like, there's just no news.
Starting point is 01:14:24 Nothing's happening. It's been that way for the last like six years, though. Yeah, well, that's the problem, right? It's like, that's how you build the nothing ever happens mentality, right? Because you just build, like, said, build up that sensitivity. But it's every day. It's like the war is over. Now we're bombing them.
Starting point is 01:14:37 Now the war is over. Now we're bombing them. Now they're mad. But it doesn't matter. Now we're bombing them. There's a virus. What's even? Now there's a virus.
Starting point is 01:14:44 Don't breathe around the rat. The alien disclosure is coming. Apparently we've got more pastors that have said they were in these meetings. That was so interesting. They're coming on the show. We're having a mom. Oh, when is that? Next week.
Starting point is 01:14:54 I want to come on. Come on. I saw somebody. We might do a culture war next Friday because there's so many. Yeah. And it's like a sit down with three dudes who are like we were in this meeting. It's happening. Yeah, and they were saying that this could destroy people's faith.
Starting point is 01:15:07 And I feel like it would have the reverse effect. Yeah, because Christians just think they're demons. Christians could think they're demons or just think, oh, I guess we're the ones God chose. So, like, now we believe in God even more. I mean, C.S. Lewis wrote a space trilogy about God making all these different aliens across the solar system and them interacting. So I don't feel like that's pretty reasonable. What if the aliens show up and they believe in Jesus Christ? What if they show up as Jesus?
Starting point is 01:15:33 What happened? On the show American Dad, when they did this, there was an arc in American Dad about the rapture happening and Jesus comes back. And then when he meets Roger the alien, he goes, ugh, one of my dad's side projects. Yeah. So, you know, I can make it work. I think what if they come, if the government comes as like a blue beam version of Jesus?
Starting point is 01:15:53 And then the Christians are like, oh, my God, Jesus here. And they're like, no, no, no, that's an alien pretending to be Jesus. And then they're so double side, like slipped up. And it's like a double whammy. they'll be like, oh, the government's protecting me. And they don't want me to believe that this fake image is Jesus, so it is aliens. Family guy also had a joke about this where Jesus comes back, but he's short. And he says, as most of you are aware, humans were much shorter back then.
Starting point is 01:16:15 And, you know, everyone's like, he's like five people. I don't actually look like Max von Seidow. Yeah. And like, geez, I kind of wish I never met you after that. Like, they're kind of disappointed. They're like questioning this whole Jesus thing. Like, everybody's like four foot two or something. I don't think the second coming would be an alien.
Starting point is 01:16:31 invasion. What do you think it would be? I don't think that would be it. You know, I think it would be some scrappy poor kid who's like, give everything away and follow me and let's go save some souls. I think, I'll tell you what I think, even though you didn't ask, it's going to be a critical mass of people that start to live like Christ that embody the virtue. And then once enough people do it, it like overnight, humanity just changes. That would be cool if everyone embodied those values. but I don't think we're verging on that.
Starting point is 01:17:04 I don't think we're verging on that. I think right now the values we have is people sitting there being like, I could take them. And being entitled and being entitled to like anything that anybody else has. It's like spirituality is kind of boring. Like you ever just sit and meditate for four hours or 20 minutes? That's God. Like that's it.
Starting point is 01:17:20 Yeah. Did you ever hear about those yogis that just their whole lives, all they ever did was meditate and do nothing. Buddha boy. And they're like 200 years old. You got to watch Buddha boy. He sits under a tree for like. They sit on like the top of a really tall column.
Starting point is 01:17:30 I met some higher Christian dudes and they were like, they're our monks, they sit on top of mountains, all they do all day is meditate and he's like 160. And I'm like, when I was like 18 when I'm at this guy, I was like, I don't believe that. That's crazy. Then when I got older, I read about caloric deprivation. And I was like, oh, yeah, actually, that's,
Starting point is 01:17:46 if you're not doing anything and all you're doing is sitting every single day, doing minimal caloric intake and exercise, you actually, it does, we do see like a 70% lifespan increase. I think your brain activates neurogenesis while you're meditating too. I was just told that yesterday. I haven't really studied the science behind it, but when you allow your thoughts to rest is when your body can regenerate. If the key barrier to achieving a transcendent understanding of the universe is that you get bored, then you probably don't deserve to achieve a transcendent understanding of the universe.
Starting point is 01:18:15 Like, it might take some work. It might require you to do something unpleasant. In fact, that's the entire point of religion, I think, and spirituality in a broader sense. If it's not depriving you of something, then what does it matter? If it costs you nothing, then it's useless. Yeah, a lot of it is actually, I think is acts, like making the world better for the people to come after. People have argued. But I mean, that's like the most godlike thing you can do is enhance the human.
Starting point is 01:18:40 Pick up your cross and follow me. It's literally the... Meditation's so powerful because it like lets your emotions go away. You can have thoughts without emotion. And then, but it's so boring. I mean, it's kind of nice once you get into it. It's like really relaxing. Really like it feels really good.
Starting point is 01:18:55 But compared to like going bowling, you know, like stimulating. watching things fall, making noise, TV, all that, electricity. And how do you wrestle humans away from that? To willingly go back to nature. What do you do to do it? I mean, I go to church. I pray. I pray. How do you pray?
Starting point is 01:19:16 I mean, in different ways, I suppose. You know, sometimes it's alone. Sometimes it's corporate. Sometimes it's in a quiet place. Sometimes it's in nature. It really just depends. I used to be like, please God give me. thing, bring me patience. Now I'm like, thank you for giving me patience. Yeah, you absolutely need to
Starting point is 01:19:34 carve out a moment of thankfulness and then supplication for others. You know, that's key. I mean, you know, the Lord's Prayer, the one that Jesus put together is pretty good about this. It's, hey, you know, please don't lead us in detention. Please help us to forgive other people. Please help others. You know, we appreciate what you've given us. Here's our gratefulness. You know, all the hits are there. It's not really a, it's a pretty good roadmap. But as opposed to like, please bring these people what they need saying thank you for bringing these people what they need before they even have it and then then because you're glad that they have it even though they don't yet they get it does that make it's like a manifestation trick like you believe it's real and then it becomes
Starting point is 01:20:13 real yeah this is kind of again this hyperstition which is you know there's there's some truth to that but i don't think that's like a trick that works with god i think god does what he wants and you know you're you communing with him is the purpose of prayer let's jump to the story from the daily mail Secret Pentagon UFO briefing today, as Washington insider warns, full truth will still be hidden. Tim Burchett said that he had a private UFO briefing from the Pentagon. He said, oddly enough, I got a call that tomorrow at 3 p.m. I'm going to be briefed over the phone. The Secretary of War's top dogs will go over stuff. Butchett's comments came as anticipation continues to build around the president and his effort to declassify federal UFO files.
Starting point is 01:20:53 However, he added, I don't want everybody to get their hopes up. I don't have a lot of faith in our government. this thing's been covered up at least since 1947. Now, interestingly, we have all these pastors coming out saying they've been briefed our government officials to prepare their congregations that there will be alien disclosure. So what do you think?
Starting point is 01:21:07 Aliens, demons? I don't know, man. I don't know if you've seen that meme, but it's the aliens show up and they're doing crazy stuff. And some guys like, oh, cool. And they're like, really? That's all you got? He's like, I've been having a hard time, man.
Starting point is 01:21:19 I feel like that's my response every time I get the alien thing. I feel like every six months to a year we hear, oh, new disclosure that aliens are 100% going to be real. But that's the conspiracy theory, that they couldn't just come out and say aliens are real, so they trickle it out slowly, so we're bored. And by the time aliens come, we go, uh. Entirely possible.
Starting point is 01:21:40 If that's a strategy, man, it is working. Yeah, I agree. I got to be honest. I just don't care. I honestly think that if today, maybe today was a slow news day, but Donald Trump, what he's going to do is aliens are going to land on the White House lawn. and then everyone's going, aliens, oh my God. And then Donald Trump's going to tweet out something like the Democrats are a bunch of fat pigs who should be charged with treason. And then everyone's going to go, wait right here to the aliens.
Starting point is 01:22:04 And they're going to run over to try and cover Trump. I don't think people are going to care that much about the aliens. I mean, especially if they're not actually showing up. If it's just like there were some spaceships, there's some, you know, maybe we found some wreckage. Ian looks so devastated. I just don't think. I just don't think they're going to care. I think, Ian, I think you're going to care.
Starting point is 01:22:26 I think I'm going to find it very intriguing. But I think the general population is going to be like, okay. I am not going to miss that church service after they debrief the pastors for sure. The most interesting one. There's no aliens. No aliens are coming, guys. It's not real. This is all fake.
Starting point is 01:22:45 The Area 51 stuff was drone tech. They rated Tesla's laboratory. This is really concerning if anyone even remote. remotely thinks there's anything to this. This is, look, I'm on the side of the U.S. government. We don't need to trick people to control the world. We can do it through virtue, I believe. I think we can.
Starting point is 01:23:06 Or there are aliens. There are aliens. They're not coming here right now. They're already here. They're in us. It's of high frequency consciousness. They're spirits. What?
Starting point is 01:23:16 You think they're in us? I think if aliens came, I don't be like, what technology do they have? What technology? They're moving really fast. they, they, I think that they can condense matter or matter is condensing at that speed. What do you mean? I don't know enough yet.
Starting point is 01:23:37 I got to go visit them more. Now, there is a theory that a lot of these pastors believe the government is lying, telling them to prepare for this because they want to break faith in Christianity. They go to pass and say, look, aliens are real. You're going to disclose your congregation needs to be taught about it. And these guys are like, is the government trying to convince us to abandon our faith? to trick us, you know? Yeah, yeah, that might be the case. That might be the case.
Starting point is 01:23:59 I brought it up the other night. And this is something my friends are like, oh, look at Ian, disrespecting Christians, I said, look, if someone's willing to believe something without proof, because I look at earth religions as, like, evidential, there are a lot of them are based on, like, text that you don't have a lot of, like, a piece of text that's self-referential text. So if someone's willing to believe something without proof, they might be willing to
Starting point is 01:24:19 believe something else without proof, like aliens are here. So I don't want these people to be led astray because Christianity. humanity has wonderful values and morals that you need to abide by, or you can improve your life by abiding by, but that doesn't mean you have to believe that every fact in the book actually is real. But the mistake that you're making is the presumption that because someone has a lifetime of experiences which leads them to belief, that a single experience at one time would change or give them a new belief.
Starting point is 01:24:45 You said there are people who can believe things on evidence. I'd be worried they would believe in aliens. You're talking about a person who has lived their whole life in accordance with a worldview, which leads them to believe something strongly versus they're. that same person then seeing aliens land and believing instantly that, well, you know, like my whole worldview is wrong. I'll just believe that now. I mean, we hold on to our epistemologies pretty tightly. So, for instance, when it came to public health, we literally watched like every major organization in the United States and the wider world lie to us on a regular basis from
Starting point is 01:25:18 positions of authority. And despite that, a couple years later, everybody basically just went back to believing what those people said on a regular basis. So I think it's fair to say that once people are in that rut, it's pretty hard to break. There are more people who don't believe the government than ever before, I think, because of the actions during COVID, but it's still not everyone. I think to count of your point, Ian, people who believe, like Christians, they're not going to believe they're aliens. They're going to believe their demons.
Starting point is 01:25:44 Yeah, maybe, but I think that they might actually come as Jesus, like, they might try and make people think Jesus is here and then be like, no, no, no, that's aliens trying to trick you. That might be, and then they'll be like, oh, thank you. for telling me the Christians will not go, oh, you were right. Jesus came back, but he's actually an alien. Now I don't have faith anymore. No, the aliens are tricking me. But wait, if there's aliens, then how can the Bible be true?
Starting point is 01:26:03 That's not going to be the thing. Because the Bible... They're not banned by the Bible. There's nothing about that. It's just the men are made in God's image. So if an alien comes and it's not human... A demon. Image doesn't mean, like, his literal physical image.
Starting point is 01:26:17 They don't mean that, like, God has two physical arms and legs in the same way that a human does. though obviously Jesus did when incarnated in that way. What does it mean exactly? I mean that you have the ability to see what God sees, not exactly see what God sees, but to experience free will to understand the world in a way that no other being in the world does.
Starting point is 01:26:39 I mean, I guess there are people who could argue that, yes, they did mean in a little physical, you know, incarnation way, but I think most people understand it as more of a spiritual image of God and not a actual physical resemblance to God. The other reason I believe that they are potentially targeting Christians, like you mentioned earlier, Tim, is that if you can break America's founding religion, as much as it's taken, especially for the last 40 years with the internet getting sloshed by the globe. But like if you can break people away from that and question that, that they toss the morals aside. And if they toss the morals of Christianity aside, I feel like we've lost. If you lose the ability to have patience for your enemy, you can destroy your enemy without hating him.
Starting point is 01:27:24 When you hate, you get blinded, you get lazy, you get diffused. You need to maintain these virtues to win a war in a lot of ways. You're right. What we need is a great flood that just, you know, whoosh over the whole planet. No, he promised no more water. You have to use fire this time. Oh, okay, all right. I know that that wouldn't be God because he promised.
Starting point is 01:27:45 You got a rainbow out of it and everything. Yeah, but the rainbow's been subverted, so... That's why the fire comes next. You know, I say as a Christians when they're like, you know, there's the rainbow flag, and I'm like, why would you let them? Like, Christians should all start using the rainbow again. And then all these progress pride people are going to be pissed off. They said that it's a fire.
Starting point is 01:28:09 Is that supposed to happen in the Bible? They say a great fire is coming? I'm making a joke, but there was literally a promise that God would never flood the world again, and that's why the rainbow appeared in the... God's covenant. So if he can't technically use water, then, well, there are other options. Fire is one he's used before. He could use liquid methane.
Starting point is 01:28:27 It's very true. Superheated gas. Which is fluid, but it's not water. Liquid methane? Yeah. Liquid methane? You mean like endless techno or? No, technically would flood if it was liquid, I think.
Starting point is 01:28:41 You can flood a system with gas as well, so it wouldn't be a gaseous attack or a conundrum. volcanic ash. There's so many ways to destroy things. And I think the flood was preempted by Firestorm. Aren't there a bunch of plagues also? That was with them. Yeah, that was Moses. He brought them to Pharaoh. But they didn't like wipe
Starting point is 01:29:02 everybody out. I mean, well, the firstborn sons didn't do so well. That was a pretty big deal, yeah. Did the Christians actually have a rainbow? Is there symbol for a while? Well, the fish, I think, was the most famous one. You're completing the fish to signal that you were Christian. You know, the fish that you see people drive around with a car on.
Starting point is 01:29:18 I think the original story is that they would draw half the fish in the, you know, in like the sand, and they draw the other half, and that's how you would identify. I don't know if that's apocryphal at some level, but yeah. It's because they were hunted down, so, like, in order to secretly show someone you were a Christian, you draw like a curve, and they'd be like, yes. That's pretty cool. I feel for you guys, I don't know who I'm talking to right now, you Christians out there, you lovers of God.
Starting point is 01:29:42 I don't know, dude, I love God. I love. Uh-huh. I think it's redundant to say, God in that sentence. I love. I am. No, that's what God says. No, that's what God says. You guys have God and so are you. You guys have seen the story that like all these concerts aren't selling tickets anymore.
Starting point is 01:29:58 Yeah, that was interesting. I think everyone's bored. I think their brains are fried. I think they're over-stimulated from AI in the internet. And it's literally like if someone just, you ever have like, you eat like a bowl of ice cream. And then after you do, you like go to take a sip of like a Coke or something and doesn't taste sweet because you just or like the other way around or something. Like you've stimulated the sweet so much you don't really taste it. I think that's where we're at right now
Starting point is 01:30:25 culturally. I think we're definitely overstimulated. Although, you know, it was a good concert. It was Phil's concert. I saw him in Philly with Lisa. And we had a great time. Phil and Philly. Yeah. It was really sweet. He had a great show. We saw Phil's show in Baltimore. He had a killer show. Lisa crowd surfed. It was fun. She did. Yeah. And she's like 80.
Starting point is 01:30:41 I saw Charles crowd surfing too. Hi, Lisa. She's losing. She's going to text me. No. Lisa's not quite 80. No. No, we're close. Yeah, man, make art. Phil's doing it.
Starting point is 01:30:52 He's living the solution right now. He's touring with his band. It was like, oh, I'm going to go see my friend play a rock show. That's awesome. We keep making this AI music, but I feel. And we had drunk pizza after it was great. That's on the fun. So we got redistricting stories.
Starting point is 01:31:08 Let's just do this story right here. I saw this viral post. That's the thing with concerts. I'd be happy to go to concerts if, like, it was fun. So we've got this viral post. Red States, versus blue states, where the money went. It's actually very fascinating. Red states are bringing in trillions and blue states are dumping trillions. It's almost one for one.
Starting point is 01:31:28 160 billion from New York is what it looks like. Yeah. And now was that was that group like Apollo or whatever, big wealth management or whatever said they're leaving? Citadel. Ken Griffin. Yeah. Well, what happened? Wait, Ken Griffin said he's actually leaving now? Well, he said he's doubling down on his whole Miami thing. So we'll have to see if he actually leaves. Wow. Wow. Wild. I mean, could you imagine the mayor goes to your house and starts saying that you don't deserve to have your house? Why would you want to stay in that stupid town? Not only that
Starting point is 01:31:54 but it's an investment property that funds a bunch of jobs in a building and he had a $6 billion project going into Manhattan and now he's like maybe not maybe it'll just move. Six billion? Six billion. Yeah. Wow. So what do we do
Starting point is 01:32:08 when all these states collapse and all the red states are all nice about it? We put up walls. Yeah, you need border control but for blue states. Yes, we need border control. We need walls. Remember when they were doing barrier board checkpoints during COVID? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:32:21 People were trying to flee New York. So Connecticut set up barriers. And they were like IDing people. Well, they should have just gone to Jersey. Jersey didn't have any walls up. No, but Jersey is a peninsula. Yeah. So you get stuck.
Starting point is 01:32:32 That's why we left. One of the reasons. You left Jersey because it was a peninsula? We were buying the property in the, we were buying the castle. Yeah, yeah. And we decided to leave before it was done already because we were like, they were talking about shutting the bridges down. And I was like, if they shut them down and we were trapped on, this peninsula, that'd be terrifying.
Starting point is 01:32:47 We should leave now and go inland. And even so, where could you go? Delaware, New York, or Pennsylvania? I was banking on Texas. I don't know. If you're in Jersey, you can't go anywhere. That's what I'm saying. It's a peninsula.
Starting point is 01:32:56 Yeah, because you can go up. Right, but the bridges. I'm saying just the bridges. You could go to New York, Pennsylvania, or Delaware. Not great. Not great options. That's why you need the escape yacht, you know. Like a Bond villain.
Starting point is 01:33:07 Like a Bond villain. I wouldn't mind an escape yacht. That sounds fun. As long as there's no other people on it and no rats. Yeah, you don't want to get haunted. I was thinking about something else. It's off topic. No, I'm just kidding.
Starting point is 01:33:21 I'll keep going on topic, too. I've just been practicing how to gather electricity from storm clouds, but we could talk about that a different time. You know, Franklin. There's a thing here, too, is like, in West Virginia, because I was looking at West Virginia, because here we are, you know, in West Virginia. West Virginia had a 19% increase in population last year, but it doesn't look like they Yeah, but only in the Eastern Panhandle.
Starting point is 01:33:42 Right. It's all the libs fleeing their failed policies. Yeah. We have to make sure they don't vote. I don't know, man. Do we, like, build a wall? No, we just play music, man. That's the wall.
Starting point is 01:33:54 The wall is in your soul, dude. We create a buffer of, that's right. Thank you, George, Lloyd. I'm telling you, we don't need physical wall. We do need physical walls. That's why we have houses. But in addition to physical walls, you need mental, you need mental thing.
Starting point is 01:34:07 You need things that make people not want to do it. Well, I don't want the lips coming in here and voting out the, the representatives that we have. I like the representatives we have. This is the eternal problem of capital flight, though, right? It's like, everyone's like, ha ha, stupid libs, you passed all these policies, you made your place unlivable, then they move, and you're like, oh, look, our ideas are better. And then they just bring their ideas with them, and they just go through the same cycle over and over again. I think you should have to live in a state for three years before you can vote.
Starting point is 01:34:37 I'd put that much, much higher. And spend $100. But that's actually really not a bad idea. Because, I mean, it's voting now. I've been in the state for a couple of years. That's called a poll tax. Unfortunately, that's unconstitutional. You're not allowed to be.
Starting point is 01:34:51 No. It's actually just, you've got to put money in. Oh, you've got to, like, put money on it. Wait, you just sit the same thing in a different way. You want to, like, gamble on. No, but this one is totally cool. I'm saying, if we charged money to vote, the game would be so different. Like, Democrats would never win again.
Starting point is 01:35:09 That is not legal. But you did. I mean, I support it. I'm just saying we'd have to change the Constitution. You don't have to pay to vote, but you have to provide a donation that is also mandatory. Stay with me here. Stay with me. Service guarantees citizenship.
Starting point is 01:35:28 I don't mind that. I wait a table. But that's how people can get citizenship if they're non-citizens and then they join the military, that kind of thing. So this is actually what a classically like a republic was supposed to look like. like you, if you were willing to defend the country, you were allowed to vote. That's the classic definition of an actual republic. That's how we had so many Irishmen in the Civil War. Well, as a southerner whose family was shot by those Irishmen,
Starting point is 01:35:55 have mixed feelings about Lincoln importing a bunch of immigrants to murder our Americans. But, you know, feel how you want about that. Right. Service Guarantees citizenship might lead towards a lot of illegal immigrants joining the military. Well, so to be clear, in the classical Republican sense, Guarantee citizenship means when citizens serve, they then are elevated to the point where they can vote. So, for instance, in the Roman military was when it was a republic, voluntary. In fact, not only was it voluntary, you had to pay for your own equipment. There was no wages for being a soldier. That's where we get equestrian class. They were the people who were wealthy enough to buy horses.
Starting point is 01:36:32 That's why we got the word knight out of it, and that worked its way into English. Because literally you had to purchase your way into fighting in the military, and that's what proved you to be worthy of elevation going through the cursus aronarum like ultimately elevating and taking political office that's the classic understanding macaveli had the same understanding he said all republics need to have their own citizen soldiers they shouldn't have any other standing armies or you know any of these uh other people get hired like that's where it should come from so it's you don't want to bring in a bunch of outsiders because that's also how rome fell they started paying a bunch of immigrants to be in the military, and it turned out that actually if you hire your entire military
Starting point is 01:37:13 from a bunch of Gauls who are moving in, they don't actually care about Rome. And that's, was that just a phenomenon that inevitable because they over-expanded? Yes. And because their birth rates fell, and they let a lot of people come in to fill in the, if this sounds familiar, let me know. I think I've heard this story. We might be going through something similar right now. Have we over-expan? If the power goes out, we've over-expanded. if we have electricity, we seem to have not.
Starting point is 01:37:40 I am concerned about a power outage. Well, but that's because people are doing stupid things with their power and trying to convert their entire grids to solar and renewables, which is not effective. By the way, have you heard that all these data centers, they're like cut, they're like done. Not done, but they're like, we're going to stop putting data centers on Earth. We're going to start putting them in orbit
Starting point is 01:37:56 because it's... That's the plan, yeah. Really? You see another thing where they're going to start putting them on people's homes. Oh, yeah. I saw that one. Yeah. I don't want that. Stay the fuck away from you. Excuse me. Stay away from me. What have you got paid 80 bucks a month?
Starting point is 01:38:08 to host one. No. $150 a month. What if it's $1,000 a month? Really? No. Keep your data center away from me and it's noisiness and whatever else. What if it's silent? There's talk now of putting mini data servers on everyone's home? Yeah, like a Tesla battery,
Starting point is 01:38:24 a wall battery. If it was just in your garage and you're just buys on everything you do, it knows the lights are turned on, it knows how much power you're consuming. No chance. It can use a Wi-Fi signal to actually see you in your home? That might be how, instead of UBI straight up, it might be the AI companies that pay people to host their servers.
Starting point is 01:38:39 It's like the average American home has 20 internet connected devices. Yeah, that sounds right, especially as you start turning every appliance into a Yeah, like our toaster. I have nine. I have nine internet connected devices. Oh, wow. Washers, dryers, microwaves. I don't have those.
Starting point is 01:38:55 When I went to buy my washer dryer, they were like, and this one is smart and it tells you when you need detergent. And I was like, I will pay you extra for the dumb one. Right. Give me the dumb one. Yeah. I don't want the fridge talking. I don't want the washer dryer talking.
Starting point is 01:39:07 I want a toaster that you pop down. I want a car that doesn't shut itself off when the government wants to kill me. None of this. None of it. None of it. Just bitches are crazy. I don't want any of that. How is it possibly reasonable to have that in your car? That's so crazy.
Starting point is 01:39:20 Between that and everything being an electric car? We literally talked about this a year or two ago. I hate it. They were going to be able to commandeer your vehicle. They're doing it in the UK. They're charging people extra tax based on how much they drive and their electric cars. Now that they are outlying entirely gas cars. how is this possible?
Starting point is 01:39:38 Why would you ever buy a car in the UK? I mean, not that like the rest of the UK, even if you don't have a car, you have some kind of civil liberties, which you don't absolutely out of control. I mean, eventually they'll charge you for driving a car that you can actually drive. Like, they'll charge you a premium
Starting point is 01:39:53 because you're endangering everyone because you're not letting AI be a safe driver. Or just insurance is going to go up. Yep. They're going to say, listen, there's very few insured drivers these days. Your insurance rate's going to be $3,000 per month. Of course.
Starting point is 01:40:05 Of course you're allowed to drive your own car. Wealthy luxury to be able to drive your own vehicle. What hell they are turning everything into that was once good? What could be better than that, a technocracy? What could be better than a technocracy that we're headed for? Literally anarchy would be better than a technology. No communism. No rule.
Starting point is 01:40:22 Would you rather live in a communist dictatorship or technocracy? Oh, God. You said the same thing twice. I know. No, no, I mean like an industrial revolution era Soviet communist dictatorship or a modern era a technocracy. I'd say technocracy, easy. Yeah, I mean, what about like...
Starting point is 01:40:40 As long as my communism is gay, space, and luxury, it's fine. Gay space and luxury. Sounds terrible. Gay space and luxury communism, it's a joke of, like, the future. And then I spend, like, two days being like, oh, my goodness, is everything in the entire world going straight to hell? No, no, it's just going towards a technocracy. Hell, yes.
Starting point is 01:41:00 But not if we do it right, because what's happening is Elon, you can have a corporate government that is... like the American government, but we need to architect. We were doing this with Mines. The next thing you know, they're just selling you the air you breathe. I worked with mine. I started a company, it's a social network called Mines, where we developed through all U.S. law,
Starting point is 01:41:18 basically what would it be like to govern yourself on a, on a social network? So the people, if like something gets reported, it goes to a jury of people that volunteer for a jury, and then they can say, yes, that violates. Do you want to volunteer for a jury? Yeah, and then if they get a prompt gets it wrong, then they get deprioritized in their juror capabilities, and people will sort of self-police the network.
Starting point is 01:41:37 If we can create a system like that that's a corporation where people can get paid for using it, it's righteous, it involves the U.S. Constitution as its basis, then we can preempt the global economic corporate governance. We already have the U.S. Constitution where we're all represented. You know, we can all vote for representatives, and ideally they represent our interests in the seat of government.
Starting point is 01:41:59 But the world economic form is talking about corporate governance. They want to move away from national governance to a corporate governance. Who cares what they want. They're not American. They don't have anything to do with us. They suck. I don't want any international law.
Starting point is 01:42:10 Well, they do have stuff to do those because they're running the banks. Right. And we should not be in debt to any of these groups at all. I understand the ideal. I understand ideally it wouldn't happen, but the reality is it's moving in that direction. So unless we break the system and fall into tribal warfare, I think we're headed towards a collective unification. And we need to do it right.
Starting point is 01:42:29 We need to do it in the American guys. We're not going to do it right. It's going to be terrible. So I wrote a book about it. this. And what we're pushing towards is this China is what NS Lyons called the China Convergence. Like everyone is arriving at the solution you're talking about. You can't govern people at scale with the systems we want without basically just triangulating on techno-fascism. Like that's basically where every government has to go. So everyone's going to dress it up in different cultural
Starting point is 01:42:57 requirements. We're going to use, you know, social scores of one kind of China and different in the United States and different in Europe. So that's the word for it, techno-fascism. fascism? Well, no, they wouldn't call it that. But functionally, what we're talking about is entire state control of ideological understandings of the world through technocratic means. Like, that's going to be where everyone's going. And so that's why everyone is implementing censorship of the internet right now. That's why everyone's trying to tie bank accounts down. That's why everyone's trying to make sure you can't drive in your car. That's why, because the only way you can take diverse, large groups of people and govern them at scale is through
Starting point is 01:43:33 basically technological tyranny. It's the only option. And I identify with self-governance. So I don't want someone else to govern. I want to govern myself with others governing ourselves. So I see like a mesh network where everyone has their own social network that's connected to every other network and everyone has their own cryptocurrency
Starting point is 01:43:50 tracked with their person that they can pay people for and people can buy things from them with discounts with they use their own crypto so it gives your inherent crypto value if you do things. And then you can decide the rules and regulations of your own network. People can still access your network from their system where they have their own rules. And if they want to ban
Starting point is 01:44:07 your stuff from their network, they can, but they can't ban, you, you, you have full control of your own network. So it's kind of like, like techno, techno, Republican, it wouldn't, it doesn't necessarily have to be top down. You're talking about patchwork, actually. So there's a, I don't want to sidetrack everybody on this, but Curtis Yarvin, you might have heard about him. Yeah, I'll have met him. Yeah, yeah, he talked about patchwork a long time ago. which is basically like this quasi-authoritarian, quasi-libertarian synthesis of understandings, where you have these micro-states, and each one of them is governed by someone with absolute power, but they're all competing against each other in a hyper-capitalistic manner.
Starting point is 01:44:50 So you can choose to go to one patch. You can choose to go to the other, and they don't have to interact with each other. And so people who see one system that works better, they can move there. But there's no voting. There's no voice. your only option is exit. Your only option is moving from one patch to the other. And this allows you to kind of basically choose what forms of government
Starting point is 01:45:09 and let them compete against each other for people who are ultimately going to be most valuable by producing the best systems while still having like this high degree of autonomy. But again, none of the incentives that like destroy democracies by like handing about out a bunch of stuff and getting power through votes. Yeah, I like that because your vote is where you go. What you decide to do with your time is your vote. And then it would create like a market of terms of service. Whoever is the best terms of service, that's where the people will go.
Starting point is 01:45:35 Think of a thousand Singapore's where like, yeah, hypercapitalists, a lot of people want to live there, but also if you spit gum on the sidewalk, they're going to cane you, and if you bring weed into the country, they're going to kill you. Like, that's kind of the, the blueprint. We're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show in 15 minutes. For now, we're going to go to the Rumble rants and super chats. That uncensored portion will be at rumble.com slash timcast, IRL. Before we go, guys, pick up some delicious cast brew coffee mother's day bundle available now. available now. And more importantly, if you go to the, right on the casprud.com, we got this pool water.
Starting point is 01:46:06 Use promo code death for 20% off. But we're going to grab your Rumble Rance over now. We got that Josh, 2371 says, have you heard of the quartering flagging people's videos, mislabeling coffee, violating FDA guidelines, and Hannah Claire quitting on him? I've not heard any of that. I did not know anything about that. No, nothing. I just remember when he got famous for Magic the Gathering controversies. Oh, yeah, he got banned. That's what I knew him from. All right.
Starting point is 01:46:37 HS Disturb says, freaking shiny hunters hacked canvas, and I'm freaking out because my daughter is finishing high school through a school that uses them. She's freshly 18, and I don't know what to do, advice. What is that?
Starting point is 01:46:47 Wait, somebody hacked Canvas? What is that? Canvas is the program that is used by all schools. Like a PowerPoint thing? Not exactly. That's Canva. Oh, sorry.
Starting point is 01:46:59 No, Canvas is like all. Mediterranean food place where you like... It's where all your grades are. It's where your teachers give you assignments. It's like it tracks everything. My conspiracy theory is that everything is going to get hacked and published online. And that is going to be the mechanism by which they usher in technocracy. Because everyone's going to be like, you're staring at each other.
Starting point is 01:47:20 And there's going to be a bunch of journalists with like weird tentacle stuff on their hard drives. Gross. And it was a fake story. Well, that was actual guy I'm referencing. You know what I mean? There was a tentacle guy? You don't remember that guy? anti-Trump guy took a picture of his screen and had Jeffrey Tobe
Starting point is 01:47:33 Tentical stuff on it? You don't remember that? I don't remember that, but I don't remember who it was. I don't remember. How do you guys are not aware of this? Big anti-Trump journalists. I remember a lot of things. Who was the anti-Trump journal? Ian wouldn't know.
Starting point is 01:47:45 I might know. You never know until you ask. What's the question? Who is the tentacle guy? I don't know. Tentical guy, should I ask. Was it Kurt Eichenwald, right? Was that the guy?
Starting point is 01:47:56 Gosh knows. You want me to ask him? She knows everything. I think Journalist distracts from Comey Heron by defense Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was the anti-Trump guy 2017
Starting point is 01:48:06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Before I started paying attention Huh That's why it's wow, you missed a heck of a news cycle He posted a screenshot of his laptop And they're like, like people noticed that one of his tabs Was like weird tentacle stuff Oh, like tentacle porn?
Starting point is 01:48:20 Yeah And he was like, no, I was just showing my wife And everyone, wait, what? I was explaining for that exists And I was going to show her Right It's like, bro. I stood out that.
Starting point is 01:48:29 I had a bet. There was Lord of the Overfiend. I remember watching that. When? What? What is it? What? What is it?
Starting point is 01:48:36 What is that? Why were you watching it? It's a weird tentacle thing because we were all... Wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We were all chirping on acid and we were watching Lord of the Overfiend like you do, and then we switched and started watching. It's pornography. No, it was a cartoon. Yeah, no, that's not what we're talking about.
Starting point is 01:48:51 Tenticle? Okay. The weird tentacle stuff is like he's looking at comics of women being captured by octopuses. I'm pretty sure that's what this is. It was creepy. I think it's because octopuses are smart. Oh, it's octopi, isn't it? So it's kind of like sexy, you know, because they're intelligent.
Starting point is 01:49:04 They know what they're doing. Yeah, that's what it's all about the intelligence. Suction cups. Very weird. It was very weird. It was very weird. It was very weird. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:13 People, I mean, that one woman who's going to hook it up with the dolphins, so I don't know. What was the deal with the kamikaze dolphins? Oh, apparently we have the best kamikaze dolphins in the world, and Iran definitely doesn't have them, according to Pete Higgs-Siff, I think. Yeah. It may be true. I don't know if they've trained dolphins to work. The CIA has trained dolphins to work with them.
Starting point is 01:49:32 I like that we're just racing towards Aquaman technology. Oh, yeah. I want to see one of those. There was this crazy book by Kobo Abe, this Japanese writer called, I think it was called Secret Rendezvous. And it was about how Japan is evolving human beings to live underwater. Really? I mean, those Polynesians can swim. I've got questions for you, Libby, but let's grab some more of these rumble rants.
Starting point is 01:49:56 I went to Sarah Lawrence College That's the answer for your Routy Razor says in keeping with tradition My wife and I are in the hospital waiting for the arrival of our baby girl Yes, nice congratulations Babies are great Nice job
Starting point is 01:50:08 My daughter has She's had mama before and stuff like that But now she's figured it out So now all she says is mama Because she gets whatever she wants There you go Yeah She just stands and goes
Starting point is 01:50:20 Mama mama mama mama My wife is like She's been Pavloved Well I mean it's a like right at Mother's Day too. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, but I, you know, she would say it sometimes and then not, now it's like, hey, call mom and she'll say mama, you know, so, yeah. Yeah, you got to be ready for the day when that won't work anymore. Let her know ahead of time. One day. What do we got here? Snazberry says, Plague Inc. Oh my God, the hate, the hate it for
Starting point is 01:50:50 have Greenland, Iceland, Madagascar. The hate you have for it was hard to affect those islands. I think that's what he's talking about. That's why you over. always had to make sure that you went for boats to get those hard to reach places. Then, you know what was really annoying about the game, when they would mutate, and it would automatically mutate to a very deadly thing. And you're like, stop, no, get rid of that. You could play as like a, what is it, a bacterium, a virus. You could play as the brain things.
Starting point is 01:51:17 What are those called? Like preon, a prion. And every one of them functions differently. Well, Pryans are very different. Priyons. I only ever played the pandemic, which is the other way around, where you have to cure the... Right, they made that after the expansion.
Starting point is 01:51:29 Osir says, I love Tim. I love Tim and Ian. They keep bringing up my favorite game since 93 Civilization, which both of my sons play now and play gink that I play every now and again to this day. Civilization, except for the, like, I don't know what, was five the last good one? Well, six was pretty good.
Starting point is 01:51:45 I haven't played seven. Wait, no, no, what's the new one? Seven? I've played five and like... I've played five and six. They need to make Siv. No, there's no Israel in it? You need to make a...
Starting point is 01:51:54 Really? Yeah, it's kind of weird, isn't it? The next sieve, please break the mold. You've got to make it three-dimensional where you can go up. So it's like a 60-sided Q or like a hexagon. So you can go up or down. So you can go up into the air with planes. You go higher into the air or higher or higher or underwater or underground.
Starting point is 01:52:12 Like that will take SIV to the next level because they're getting redundant. And there's so many better four times. Well, I mean, Siv 4 is all you needed. Sifor's phenomenal. All you got to do is keep patching with new technology when it comes out. I'm playing real life. You can win by religious victory, cultural victory, scientific. victory and military victory. Are there other ones?
Starting point is 01:52:28 No, I think those were, because they added the religious one later on. Everyone has your religion? Yeah. It's like, what is victory in a civilization? You know what I mean? Yeah, cultural cohesion, where they're all into what you believe, like the American way of life or the religious victory, or you get to Alpha Centauri first, basically, and
Starting point is 01:52:45 populate another star system. I got to read this one. B. Stevens says, the current Democrat platform is a successor of the Communist Party. Agreed? I'll take that legal reasoning. Yep. All right. Let's see. What have we here? Vince says the aliens will give reason to kill Christians. Is that what you're saying? To K.L. Christians? Is that what it's supposed to say? Let's see. Common Sense Fishing says slow newsday or capitalizing on people's stupidity. Hanta virus has been spreadable, human to human, and documented since the 90s. No, not going to be a pandemic, etc. Andy's strain, bin known, duh. the previous years, and this is not remarkable. Like in previous years, we had more cases.
Starting point is 01:53:33 So it's just... This is just a high-profile case because it was on a cruise. An American was an American cruise ship? No, I think it was from maybe Argentina or Chile. It was shocking social media. Got people yelled about it on a ship. All right. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:53:52 What do we got to you? Nixon says, Tim, can you please re-release? your first Booneys Pro model so I can complete the set of your Booneys board, the chicken one. Is that which, I don't know which one that is. Is that the chicken amendment one? I like that one. Oh, the first one with actually just the Roberto. We have a stack of them here.
Starting point is 01:54:13 We can have one. Contact the Discord community. Olivia could probably help facilitate and we'll just send you one for free because they're lying around. Anyway, let's see. We can grab a couple more here. XZ says Tim, I work with a company who has 10K employees who has to do with rat, mouse, poop, and poop dust. None have gotten the virus, which comes from rodent poop, unless you sniff, lick the ground, you'll be just fine, not worried.
Starting point is 01:54:40 Well, there you go, huh? Poop dust. It's the first time I ever heard that. Pooh dust. You know no one's worried about poo dust? I am now. Well, we have chickens. Poop dust is an issue.
Starting point is 01:54:57 Yeah, nasty. I used to breathe it in. Chickens poop everywhere, right? Walk around and then they'll go like, and then it just flies up in the air and you go like, smell that beautiful country air. Yeah, they can get overwhelming. Yep.
Starting point is 01:55:10 What do we got going on? We'll grab a couple more here. We got a few minutes. Soup dust. James says, I'm a monarchist. I think having a family who can be voted out of power would solve the problem with both systems. So a king who's impeachable.
Starting point is 01:55:25 So this was actually Alexander Hamilton's. idea that the presidency would basically be a lifelong monarchy that would be elected when the monarch died. So basically you would always have a president who served for his entire life and then you would elect a new one when he passed. Oh, that's an interesting idea. Elected monarchy. That's actually an old version of monarchy. Yeah. Yeah. But that also means that it's like a once in a, it's literally a once in a three generation. Exactly. Yeah, you have an election every 20, 30 years. You better believe that the king is going to try and control that next, his his successor no matter what.
Starting point is 01:56:00 So that's the danger of having a guy in power for 30 years. Unlike our current system where Barack Obama definitely would not have influenced an entire presidency to which he could have not been elected, right? Yeah, it would be crazy if he supported Biden or something. All right. What is they? Nick says maybe everything in CVS wouldn't need behind plexiglass other than the sunscreen because some people can't be better. Have you guys seen the viral video where it's a black woman? complaining how racist the store is because the white foundation, the paler foundation is
Starting point is 01:56:35 in the open and the darker foundation is sealed away. No. I've heard about. She's like, this is proof. You know, white people don't have to grow up like this. And it's like, you understand they put those things there not because they're like, let's be racist. It's because the inventory system says where it has to go based on what was shrinkage. Is that what it's called?
Starting point is 01:56:52 There's always that subtle hint if you walk into a liquor store where all the Hennessy bottles have the control, the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the theft control device on them and all the $200 scotch bottles don't. All right. Orion says, my wife is Christine Sarmiento. She is running for governor in California as a no party candidate. NP candidates are ignored by the media. She's a public health nurse for downtown L.A.
Starting point is 01:57:19 and can speak on the hanta virus COVID hospice, Skid Row and fraud. Ah, well, interesting. I think we're going to have Spencer Pratt come on. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, and I reached out to him. He told me that it was actually one of our Discord members who helped make his videos. I don't want to speak out of turn because I don't know exactly who did what or what it was, but apparently, you know, he's well aware.
Starting point is 01:57:45 He's crushing. He's fantastic, by the way. And he's not like some hardcore conservative, right? He's like an L.A. guy. Yeah. Look to the Palisades. He was like a moderate. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:57:53 Yeah, he grew up in Pacific. Palisades he was like on he lived there his house burned down his parents house burned down yeah and um he was like on reality TV yeah he was an actor right I thought I was making this up for a second yeah and it's crazy that we live in a country where they're going to vote for Karen Bass or that you know what's her what's her name Priathol or whatever Nitya Ramon I don't think she has a chance I think Karen Bass is going to win that's because people in L.A. are dumb but I I mean you look at Spencer Pratt and you see him talk and you listen to what he's saying and stuff and you're like,
Starting point is 01:58:29 no, he should, he should be mayor of my town. Like, he's great. Oh, he was in the bold and the beautiful CBS soap opera. He has really, he has like a lot of strong ideas about how to clean up the streets and prevent these kinds of fires from happening again. Interesting. I mean, that's, Tristan says, Ian, techno nations, no physical borders, just network borders. So I, I pitched an idea to The Daily Wire guys and to Agile Studios. I say pitch lightly. I told them the idea I had that talked about on the show. The idea for the show is fast pitch.
Starting point is 01:59:06 We got one minute. There's one city left on Earth. All the other cities are left in ruins. Humans don't know at what point the collapse happened or why it happened. And there's one city with 10 million residents in the outskirts and there's farms. One day a scouting mission goes out and they see these strange, thin beings in all-white suit with chrome helmets. and they're like, put your hands up, you know, because they don't know what it is, and they're scouting outside the city. And then these beings just like raise their hand and blast them with energy and vaporize a guy.
Starting point is 01:59:33 And they're like, ah, and then they think these creatures must have been what destroyed all of human civilization. And so then you get drama for like a season where they encounter these beings, these creatures. Then one day they're like at a junkyard and they get into a firefight and the humans are trapped and they're like, we can't get out. And so then one guy hits a button and then like the big magnet lift drops a car and crushes one of these things. And the rest of them all just like float away. And then when they go up and they rip the helmet off, it's a human head with no hair. And they're like, oh my God, they're humans. And then the twist at the end is that it turns out civilization never collapsed.
Starting point is 02:00:10 Humans just moved into pods underground where they live in pods in virtual reality 100, 200 years ago. And the humans that remain were the people who lived outside of city. they lived in rural areas. They never integrated. And the reason why they can't figure out what happened is because all of the newspapers stopped at a certain date. All of the servers stopped producing data, stopped displaying websites at a certain date. It slowly just trickles out because the news is now in their networked environment, not outside. For instance, if Benjamin Franklin was alive today, he'd say, I must figure out what's happening in this world. Get me a periodical. And we'd be like, well, no, we use our phones to get the news. He'd be like, what is that?
Starting point is 02:00:51 let's say the time froze and, you know, George Washington appeared here and everyone was frozen in time, he'd be looking for a newspaper to try and figure out what was going on, but there's limited information. And that's what's basically the story. And then, you know, the season two is they plug themselves into the matrix, and then there's interactions between human civilization and the pods. The reason the beings came up out of ground is because periodically they've maintained the servers and the power structures. I like that a lot because I think about preserving data, That's really the essence of evolution. Sorry, but let's save it for uncensored because we're over. Smash the like button, share the show.
Starting point is 02:01:26 Uncensored portion, rumble.com slash Timcast, IRL. Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Arndt, do you want to shout anything out? Yeah, again, Orrin McIntyre's show. It's on Blaze TV, Rumble, YouTube, all the podcast platforms. And then I've got my book, The Total State, is coming out in its second edition and paperback with an extra chapter. So if you want to pick that up, you can do that now. I would like to shout out the pod millennial and human events.com and you can, oh, and the post-millennial,
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