Andrew Schulz's Flagrant with Akaash Singh - CNN Exposed by Tim Dillon, Bernie Ep Reaction, & Knicks in 7

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

YERRR – the boys are back! We're talking Bernie reaction, Tim Dillon & CNN, Macron getting attacked, Crypto billionaires getting tortured in NYC, & can the Knicks pull it off?? Nothing’s off the table today. All that and more on this week’s episode of FLAGRANT. INDULGE. 0:00 start 0:15 number 2 podcast 4:30 is Philly underrated?? 7:00 Macron's domestic abuse 10:20 getting disrespected by your spouse 13:08 JellyRoll is the truth 16:05 Post Malone crossing genres 22:00 Alexx's Mom & Akaash are in love 27:00 Mark cannot use his own BBQ 28:32 Schulz cannot use his fireplace, his wife hates it 33:35 Akaash is American finally 37:08 Crypto billionaire tortured in NYC 48:15 The NY Knicks, got it or nah? 57:38 Chalamet courtside 1:00:09 is Ant letting the Wolves down? 1:01:11 Angel Reese v Caitlin Clark 1:11:48 Diddy & The Punisher 1:15:55 Tim Dillon & CNN's lack of curiosity 1:28:02 Schulz reflects on Bernie and Pete & criticism 1:34:32 the Dems don't know how people feel about them 1:41:38 traditional media figures and their brands Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? Welcome to the number two podcast in the world. I'm just saying, no big deal. Okay. Thank you guys so much. And I'm sure all the people make a reaction video content about how we fall off. I'm sure you'll make videos about how we're succeeding, right? Cause you're honest journalists, right? We just call it how it is. So we're looking forward to last week. So you must have missed it last week when we were number three, but it's okay. This video's a holiday record. Now that we're number two, obviously, there'll be double the amount of videos, because they're honest, they're not just

trying to use negativity for clicks. Don't wait till we go to number four and say we've fallen off again. Oh, yeah, that is a strategy, you're right. Things have been going great since we've been a far left podcast. Yo, once you embrace these events, I was just trying to make this game this whole time,

and we fought it. Dude, we're a socialist podcast. That shit is awesome. This shit is sick as hell. Yo, you gotta watch out, man. I was watching these... I was watching this... that debate with Jordan Peterson. I was watching clips from the Jubilee.

I haven't seen it. There's just a bunch of things coming up, but an interesting thing is happening. It's like whoever's like in power or whatever Your arguments get weak Like the king don't need justification for what he does. He's the king. He goes. I want to build a parking lot over there He don't need to justify it to the you know transit authority why that will or won't affect traffic He's just a guy build the fucking part. line. When you're not in power control, your arguments seem to be sharp.

So, and I was saying this shit about Shapiro, like Shapiro had great utility when conservatives were in power and they were getting bullied for their beliefs and they didn't have good arguments to back up their lifestyle choices and their belief system. Now that they're in power, they don't need Shapiro. And that's why Daily Wild is struggling

and the views are down and nobody really cares. He's no social utility. But now that Republicans are in power again, the liberals' arguments need to be incredible. They're not like pink haired, armpit, you know, the fucking septum pierced. These motherfuckers are coming with receipts. They're not playing around. Are they on statistics?

They got stats and they're ready to go. And they're just like, the one dude from the clip, I have to watch, I guess, more of the whole interview, the Jubilee, but it looked like he was cooking Jordan. He was like, you Christians looking shaky in the light. I know. It was kind of like the people who are wearing Christianity as like a costume, some

people would say. And he was like, yo, it's kind of like what Wes said, he's like, either you in or you out. It's not like I'm kind of into Christian values. Christians are making a comeback because, to your point, they were kind of not mainstream for a little while. It was kind of like being atheist or being agnostic or being spiritual was what it was. So the Christians were just sharpening the swords,

getting the arguments ready. And now, now let's go. And think about that, right? All these, you know, social media influencers that, you know, fake jumped to Islam because they thought that that was their only way out. If they just waited like four more months, they could have stayed Christian.

They could have stayed Christian. Now they got to burn in hell. You know, not my rules. Not my rules. I see y'all there. I don't know about that. We all gonna be there as well. We gotta choose up.

Anyway, it was just, it's interesting to see and like call it whatever you want. It is kind of cool. You've heard this expression, like the free marketplace of ideas, like it is kind of operating that way. There's a lag and it takes time, but this is what we want. And if you could, like, zoom out and look in, like, 10-year periods, you'd be like,

wow, this is kind of cool what's happening. These people get in control, these people go, okay, we need better arguments so that we can get control. They develop better arguments, they get control, these people go, okay, we need better arguments. And this is constant back and forth forth and hopefully it pushes us to a good place. If you are exploiting a demographic to get money, eventually when that happens, when you get to that position and you're not sharp, fold right back down. Fold right back down, you know. Or people just say you're exploiting things and then

you just become the number two podcast. No, no big deal. We're looking forward to all the videos, guys. We know looking because we know you're honest journalists and not just doing clickbait titles and changing your thumbnails constantly so you can get views, because you don't anymore. Good to be on top, well said. Don't do that. Don't do that.

I hate you guys, click this shit in there. Yeah, come on, man. No, we love you, thank you for all the press. Okay, what's up with y'all, man? How was your Memorial Day? Yeah, I had a great Memorial Day weekend, man. What'd you do? So my best friend, I went to Philly, underrated city. My wife's best friend's wedding was fine.

It's rated. It's rated. I gotta push back on that. It is rated. This is the guy who complains about Manhattan. This is, I know, because I mean, how you complain about Manhattan. Because Manhattan's talked about so poetically. Akash is an expectation reality person. We're all that way but I use the most extreme way very wet Yeah, we're not gonna argue with any of this You know how he is a great analysis on me like every time he talks about me. I'm like you fucking we're friends for 20

If I build something up too big for Akash it will never meet those expectations sure because he believes the expectation I worship this guy What a crazy idea! They even laugh at each other's jokes! What? Insane! I can't believe how someone who just sits in their room for 80 hours a week watching podcasts with no friends doesn't understand social dynamics. What an insane idea that someone with no friends doesn't understand how friends laugh with each other. Wow! Anyway.

Okay. So you go, so yeah, if somebody goes, yo, this is the best restaurant, you're like, okay, it's the best restaurant. Yeah, somebody, you're the person that says everything's the best. Because everything is the best to me. He's the person at the moment.

And then he's always disappointed. Me and Derek. I'm expectations reality. Me and Derek Poston are golden retrievers with a shiny new tennis ball that doesn't shine, but a fluffy new tennis ball. That's who we are. It is just whatever we try is the best thing

that we've ever had in our life, until we try another thing and we forget about that one. But I got to see Jelly Roll. Oh, wait. Jelly Roll is in Philly. Amazing. So we met up, we actually played basketball. Jelly Roll is losing all his weight. He's playing basketball every day.

I know. It's like a fun old guy run. I know he was getting skinny because he doesn't wear the hokas anymore. Oh, yeah. So I'm in normal people shoes. Yeah, he's got skinny guy shoes. So I saw him sprint and then I went to go see him with Post Malone at the Philly Stadium. What do they play? City Field or whatever?

And I went to go see him. I snuck out of a wedding. Made like, yeah, I went for like an hour. Piece of shit. Made him beg. Not piece of shit, it's day four. Oh yeah, you guys went back. I was there for the, I was there for the important part.

I saw them get married. I snuck out of the reception. Yeah, my wife was in a dance I missed a little bit of the dance, but she gave me permission She was like back to being a piece of shit I missed 30 seconds of dance made it back in time. She gave him permission. Yeah. Look at his eye. Does it look like That mccrone video To group, but she's like, he's disrespectful of what Wise will do, man. Putting your hands on her husband, this is horrific.

There's gotta be laws against this. Did you see his press release? Macron was like, it was a joke. We were just goofing. Alright. He's like, alright. You get beat up by an elderly woman. Boys being boys. I said.

I said. I said. I said. I said. That's a locker room. That's a locker room. Look at him. Dude, the way his face locks in.

This is wild, yo. This is the office. This is literally like. Yo, that's wild. Oh. Oh, hi. Fuck out of here. Fuck out of here.

All right. All right. I had to do this. Fire. Nicole's just like, why do I always have to suck your dick on a bus? Damn. Oh, damn. Oh, hi. I had to inspire. Nicole's just like, why do I always have to suck your dick on the bus? Damn. Allegedly though, allegedly.

Allegedly. Now that was some man shit. That was. That was. That felt feminine. It felt like a feminine woman. I agree with Mark here. It's the first time that I thought that his wife might actually be a woman.

Oh, really? Because she double pushed the fist. Oh, I only saw one hand. No, there's two hands time that I thought that his wife might actually be a woman. Oh really? Because she double pushed the fence. Oh, I only saw one hand. No, there's two hands. Oh, I only saw one. To me, a double mush of his. But I feel women, it's slap. It's the no power slap.

Yeah. So, there's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I...

There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I... There's one way I. Alex is like, I don't really want to have the baby. God damn, bro. God damn. Ouch.

She said that. Power slap is a good league. I would take open head slap over punch any day. But the motion, I think we've said it before, is like the most disrespectful. Oh, God, dude. It's the most disrespectful version of aggression. It's the most Fucking disrespectful thing in the world. Yeah, all of all your people. Oh my god on camera. Yeah, that lives forever, dude Yeah, I'd rather not be president Much by my wife one time. What do you think you think he like stole her blue?

Candace is your fault, Candace. None of us thought this was even a possibility before you started bringing this up and it's far too interesting for us to ignore. Don't worry about the, what is it, the truth of the lie is more entertaining. Yeah, it's true. What does it, Charlotte says all the time?

That's exactly what happened. That's also child abuse, ain't it? She like 70s. If it is her kid. Yeah, right? If his kid. No. Well, if Macron's wife is actually his dad.

Yeah. And his dad is beaten on him. That's abuse. That's CPS. We got to call CPS, man. Yeah. Or a good parent. Yeah. Potato patato. I think this proves she's for sure a woman. Because it's like, why would you be so confident to abuse your husband in public when he's

like, bro, I have the biggest nuclear bomb on you ever? Because she's a wife, bro. You have a very unique circumstance with your wife where you get to do whatever you want and she's just cool with it. Yeah. I haven't been abused yet. My wife is borderline abusing me. I had to say this week at one point,

why are you talking to me like this in front of people? Now I'm not even. Now I'm not even. I'm like, I mean, you mushed me. That's a good question. But now I'm not even like, I just accepted the talking to me like this. I'm like, can you just not do it in front of our friends

so they lose respect for me? I'm concerned about my friends losing respect for me. Okay? There's no recourse. There's nothing I can do. So can you not talk to me like this in front of them at least? Text me. That's it. Oh my God. You know the only defense is to just laugh at them. Yeah, that's a good one. And now I look like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Look like an enforcer for a shitty hockey team.

But if you keep laughing, sometimes they'll laugh. Sometimes you get in bigger trouble, but you're already in trouble, who cares? So you just start laughing when they get... I just smile. Man, now I gotta try that one. That would drive my wife crazy. She would grab the heaviest shit. Son, yes. The heaviest shit around.

I don't know if I'm ready to do all that work. You know a real hack that drives them crazy? I'll give her an empty apology. And then she'll go, I'll go, you're right, I'm sorry. With like nothing in my eyes. And she'll go, don't apologize if you don't mean it. And I go, you're right, I'm sorry. With even less.

And then when she gets mad, I'm like, what? I'm apologizing. How can you be mad at me? Yeah, this black eye makes sense. Yeah, it black guy makes sense I do is I have a wet dream loud Once I notice I'm nothing I just are you trying to make happen to me? I got a bone or shit in the other day. I don't know what that means.

I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. When my dick hit the bottom of the toilet seat, it started to come up. I'm like, what that means. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. When my dick hit the bottom of the toilet seat, it started to come up, and I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

Pee splashing up against me. I'm like, what is happening right now? I need to have sex immediately. I need to have sex immediately. It's good to know you still got it like that. I thought I did. Only going out. Your prostate tickled, right?

Honestly, maybe it's that, maybe it's that,'s I'm so backed up the second my prostate felt any pressure Remember I had it everything bagel two eggs American cheese and bacon extra crispy I tried to take a shit my dick slap the fucking toilet from the inside What is that that's a form of abuse to me. That's a form of abuse. Remember that person that kept their whole family in a basement in Cleveland so that they didn't have to experience Cleveland and we thought that he was a villain? Remember that? Remember that? No, all he should have done is just let them out once a week and they'd be like, man, put me back in that fucking bunker. I don't want to see this shit.

Anyway, do you guys have a good day? What about the Jelly Roll show? Jelly Roll, Jelly Roll. How did you get there? I'm so proud of this fucking guy, dude. 40,000 people. You're going backstage and seeing 40,000 people, he put me on a little golf cart with him before he went out there, I was side stage.

But the craziest part is when you're on the golf cart and you just see every fucking. You were as catty. I was in the back, I sat in the back like a black guy. Just seeing 40,000 people going nuts and then he goes out there, huge pop, they sing a song together and it was just so fucking cool to see Jelly.

Like he's so insanely famous. Look, I think I might have said this on a pod, forget what it was, but like, he is a phenomenal performer. Yeah. Like, and the only way that you can really learn how to be an amazing performer is by doing shitty shows for a decade or two,

and really learning how to connect and move a crowd. I think there's a lot of people who like, maybe they come up in like the Disney circuit or a pop song will go crazy and they never suffered through doing a shitty show in the back of a fucking barn. Like, and I'm not trying to to comedians horns here, but like for most comedians, it takes like a decade doing horrible shows around the country

and you learn how to win in those environments. And you see a guy like him, who's done that for 20 fucking years. And then he blows up. And I watched him when we were in Miami. He's at Carbone Beach in Miami. Now this is Jelly Roll. Is that probably what you would think is the least Jelly Roll-esque environment that he could be in?

Right? Probably. Like Latinos, crypto, billionaire, like just the most Miami. It's formula one weekend. It's like you wouldn't think it's jelly Within 60 seconds of being on stage got over him. Yeah. Yeah focused on him ready to party ready to have a good time and It's just when you say that he was just right. This is what happens when you put in the fucking work Yeah, and it's it's just yeah, it's amazing. Also guys tour dates akash singh comm I know we go into Salt Lake City June 19th through 21st a lot of other dates

We're gonna add but I dropped a little it's not quite a special but it's kind of a special I got high on 420 did shrooms and went on stage had a blast if you want to check it out Go to my YouTube page. It's also on my TikTok. We'll upload clips on Instagram, but YouTube got the full special. Akash Singh, 420 show. I think it's called Stand Up on Shrooms for now,

but just look for it. It's fun. Love y'all. Thank you. Hello, beautiful people. World's fastest dates for you, okay? Tonight, New York City. I got a show of Mary Lou. It's going to be awesome.

You can get tickets on my website or on my bio. And then I'm going to Buffalo, Raleigh, Poughkeepsie, Portland, Fort Worth, Austin, Texas. Right there, mouth right there. Stanford, Philadelphia, a bunch of other places. You can get it all on my website, Mark Gagnon Live. All the tour dates will be there. I can't wait to see you guys at the shows.

Goodbye. And Post was awesome too. I saw Post and I was like, this guy is like so fucking gifted as a musician. So I think Post got, he has like, he has the ear. Yeah. Like when you see people cross genres like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Like some people, some people can play music really well, but they don't know how to make a great song. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know if he plays instruments that well. He played the guitar. He played it well. But like, I don't know if he's a Stevie Ray Vaughan or like a Jimi Hendrix, but I think his ear is elite. We're talking about Kodak like this. Like he just has a musical sensibility

that he can understand if it's good or not. Yeah, it's, what's the Louis Vuitton guy, the LVMH guy. Furl. Virgil Edelman. No, Virgil, or like the LVMH, Arnaud, whatever. It's just like, it's taste. Yeah, okay, okay.

It's just like some people have it, they know what looks good, they know what feels good, they know what sounds good. And I think that might be his, like the difference maker for him. Cause literally came out with a rap song and it was fire. Yeah. Yeah. Does country, it's fire.

Yeah, and with him, it doesn't feel like hopping to a market, it just feels like he wants to do all that. It feels very natural. He loves music. Yeah, I love music. In the beginning, it looked a little hopping. Well, Charlamagne put the fucking pressure on him. Yeah.

Shit was Indiana Pacers, 94 feet. What are you doing for black people? He's like, making music so you can get some ass too. Nah, but it was crazy. He came in with a jersey, cornrows and stuff like that. And then he switched that real quick. I also... But now it's like...

Fuck white people that use cornrows as a way to look cool, man. Yeah. Whatever you do, do not put that picture up on there. Oh, man. Both of y'all's pictures. That's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got one too, right? I had a cornrow face.

It was a week... I did it for homecoming week in high school and they said, you got to take those out. They made you change your hairstyle. I went to a private school. I was like, don't touch my hair. Yeah, they tried to make me take it off. That's fire, bro. It actually looks good.

That's fire. You look Spanish. Yeah, you really do it. You become poppy. I'm Spanish orthodox, bro. All right, so tell me, this concert was amazing. You had a great time. Yeah, great time. So great and just seeing again seeing Jelly Roll

like James Hadfield from Metallica is in the green room and like, yeah. Oh, that's so sick. And this is a guy, it was cool for me to meet him because he's just like a legend, but Jelly like looks up to this guy. And he was like, I'm just, this guy's coming. It was like to see him in that element and I'm watching people when they react to him,

they're losing their fucking minds and he handles it all so great. You always handle it really well too. But I just see him, these things I notice about both you guys, there's no discomfort with it. And it's cool that he's still doing tours with these massive acts when he could be headlining. He said, the reason I do it is

because I keep learning from people. And he was like, when I watch posts, I see how comfortable he is up there and how he takes his time and he doesn't press. And he goes, me? And I have actually learned this from you early on. I always feel like, okay, what's this, what's this, what's this?

And I see you just really take time and be like, we're all good. There's a confidence that's like, everything's gonna be good. I'm gonna take my time. I'm gonna find the best moments. I'm gonna find whatever. And Jelly's like, I learned that from Post.

That's what I learned this tour. The next tour, I'm gonna go with somebody else. I'm gonna learn something else. And it's so ego This like he could probably headline sell out whatever on his own and he's like now Split money, whatever however, they work it out I don't know but like I'll do it with this guy and I'll learn something from them and do the biggest thing Yeah, who's gonna say no to a jelly post? I mean, it's an

Field that was an insane I didn't understand when he said he was doing fit like the Phillies I just assumed it was him. And then to see it's post-show, I was like, oh, that's crazy. I mean, the Eminem shit is crazy, bro. I mean, all times. Jelly started out as a rapper, think about that.

Like, imagine Eminem shows up to one. Now, great, they got the song together. But still, Eminem doesn't show up for anything. Eminem shows up for Detroit and 50 Cent and Dr. Dre. Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the way he's living life, but then he goes to see Jelly.

Doug, when we played basketball, he was like, pull up, we're gonna be hooping. They're at the 76ers practice facility. Like, they're just opening it up for Jelly and his boys to go play ball. And it's like, I said to him, because he came to see me at Zany's, which is so cool, and like he had to sneak into the back, whatever, this was February, and I was like, you know you're famous, right? And he was like, no. And then this time I's like, I said to him, because he came to see me at Zany's, which is so cool. And like he had to sneak into the back, whatever.

This was February. And I was like, you know you're famous, right? And he was like, no. And then this time I was like, you know you're fucking famous, right? And he was like, ah, I don't know. I was like, we're in the Sixers practice. What are you talking about?

Let me tell you how much jelly's popping. Over the last three months, any car service that I've got, right? Like if I'm going to do a gig or I'm going to do some event or whatever and they order a car for it. Yeah. And they tell you, oh, we'll pick you up.

And every single one, and I've taken pictures of this specifically, every single one in the last three months, the driver's listening to only Jelly Roll. That's insane. It's a Jelly Roll playlist on Spotify or one was listening to Pandora, I didn't even know that was still around.

But like, at first I was like, do they know, like I'm such a crazy person, after it happened three times I'm like, you know how like when we have a guest come on sometimes we'll play music that we know the guest likes, and then the guest is always like, how the fuck do you guys have all our hits? Yeah, yeah. After like a few times I'm like, oh no, no, no, no.

Key is just so tapped in that that is the go-to. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that's, I mean, it's to me, I was like, what the fuck is this? This is great. We did a song about COVID. He got dropped from his PR firm. Almost ruined his career. Yeah. He got dropped from his label. Yeah. From the PR company. He did one thing with us. He did one thing with us.

And his entire life's work was almost for naught. Yeah. I remember when you met him, you said he's like the most genuine guy. And I still feel that. He's so comfortable in his own skin, so much himself, like doesn't feel the need to do any like put it on at all, which I do still. But I was looking at him, I was like, man,

this guy is just, he was so ready for this. Are you chilling it? Yeah. Shout out to Jelly, love you Jelly. Love you dogs. All right, how was your guys weekend? I had fun. What'd you do?

Family also in Philly. You were both in Philly? Yeah. Did you guys make an effort to hang out with one another? We did make an effort. We tried. You made an effort? Yeah. But you didn't end up doing it? We endeavored. He was hanging with Jelly Roll. I didn't know he was there the whole time

I didn't hit him till yesterday. I had a wedding many days. Sunday was my only free day actually or Monday whenever I hit you My mom refuses to get in my Tesla. Why? She's anti He's liberal dude. Anti-Ewan? Yeah Bro that's fire. She goes to like protest now No, we're bored bro. Yeah Oh that's wild. But I like it she's made some friends I'll do respect if your mom ever needs a ride she'd call me all the way That's she goes to like protest She's made some friends if your mom ever needs a ride she call me My just said, bro? Crazy thing you said, Miles. I didn't say anything up here. You didn't say anything up here.

Nothing up here. I'm like blown away. Yeah, as well. Nothing up here. He said that your mom would ride on Akash's face with all due respect. I don't even know if I feel comfortable saying that. That is the most disrespectful thing she could do to him, so it's like, I like that. Oh, that's a good point.

You can't get nothing out of him. Okay, so you can dominate him. Yeah. What do you think? Just suck it. What are you guys talking about? So what do you do if you're trying to be like, yo, let's go to dinner. Now, we're not jumping off this, hold on.

So, who else is jumping off? We're not gonna jump off of this. So you feel no disrespect of your mom with all due respect, obviously, to your mother. Hopefully he said that. No, he didn't say that. I did, I said it, I said with all due respect. Okay, boom.

No, I did not say that at all. No, he did. But you wouldn't feel uncomfortable at all if your mom sat her Puerto Rican vagina You gotta get us this is growth She hadn't taken a lover since Yo, can I tell you a little story about- Turmeric on that little thing? Yeah. God. Yo, I don't like this drug thing. She really gives-

Take care of any inflammation she got you. Exactly. She really gives a lot of cots when they're henna tattoos all over her. She's going to look like a Maori warrior. Yo, can I tell y'all a massage right years ago so many and I'm gonna go get a massage right years ago so many And I'm like what type of massage she goes. Yeah, I'm gonna go get a massage. Whatever. Just go to the side Says goes to his place. He goes he knew it was up when he went to place

He went to the bathroom and there was fucking Listerine bottles Costco size, right? Fucking paper towels. I like doing this kind of role. He goes, I know what time it is. He goes in the room. The way that my friend tells stories is like everything happens to him. Like he's not trying to make anything happen. Like the world just happens to him.

She goes, I'm getting a massage innuously. She just starts tickling my balls or whatever like that. She's like, do you want to turn over? He goes, do you want a happy ending? Because I'm getting the massage in a slurry. She just starts tickling my balls or whatever like that. She's like, do you want to turn over? And she goes, do you want a happy ending? She's obviously Asian. He goes, do you want a happy ending? And he goes, he goes, I don't really know.

I don't really know. And she goes, come on, come on. Let me give you a hand, baby. She's banging him. She's banging him according to my brain. And he goes, how much is it? And he goes, she goes, she much is it? And he goes, she goes, uh, uh, uh, she goes, uh, $80 for, $80 for a blowjob, $80 for a blowjob.

And he goes, uh, he goes, I don't know if I, but just a hand job is fine. She goes, 60, 60. He goes, 60? Now, my friend's a little bit of a negotiator, right? So he's like, hold on, 60? That's like the medium coke at the movie theater.? So he's like, hold on, 60, that's like the medium coke at the movie theater.

Yeah, it's like it's a meaningless price. You either get the large or the small. So he goes, 60, I don't know. Keep in mind, he's naked and erect, negotiating with the Chinese lady before ice breaks through the wall to take her back to wherever she came from. So he goes, ah, fine, all right, just 60.

Give me the whatever, right? Flips him over, he goes, ah, fine, I just 60, give me the whatever, right? Flips him over, he goes, six pumps, four, five, six, explodes. OK? OK? She looks at him, he goes, she goes, OK, 50. Oh, that's moving. Sun came so fast. Sun came so fast she knocked off $10 from the handshaw. She thought he was stealing. If I take this, it's unfair.

Yo, now any normal person in that circumstance would just give her the 60, right? No, I mean, dude. Got changed. Got changed. You're getting changed. It's hilarious. Got changed. Dollar bill stuck together.

Oh my gosh. That's so good. All right, what about you, Mark? What'd you get into this weekend? Oh, God. I had a barbecue on my roof. Everyone came over. It was a nice time.

Yeah. Miles was there. Shifty came by. David. It was a nice time. Yeah. Miles was there. Shifty came by. David. It was a wonderful time. Nothing gay happened at all. I was gonna go there with it. So nothing at all happened between them.

They've kind of figured out their relationship and who the chicken is and who the egg is. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I haven't noticed any gay tension between you guys. I hate that this somehow got turned on What do you mean somehow? There's nothing some fucking weekend talk about it Mark also is lying. He said he had a barbecue He brought a guy over to bring all the meat and cook it mark just sat there and was like, are you sure? Operation okay, what's that? Hold on. You're being cooked in your own house, though.

Barbecue, sir? I got a steak guy. I got a steak guy. I like this. What does that mean, you got a steak guy? I go to the gym, I met this Albanian Jew, he's just my steak guy. Okay. And so I meet him and he's like, yeah, I got steaks for you. And I was like, do you want to cook steaks?

He's like, bro, I love cooking. It's my love language. I wish I had a grill. I have no grill. I was like, I have a grill. He comes over, he cooks steaks, we all sit around, we have a good time. I don't know how to cook. That's getting cooked, bro, I love cooking. It's my love language. I wish I had a grill. I have no grill. I was like, I have a grill. He comes over, he cooks steaks. We all sit around. We have a good time. I don't know how to cook. That's getting cucked, bro. That's getting cucked.

You got another man in the grill in front of you. You went to a county restaurant, she made spaghetti, your girl slurped it down. So much. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You bring up a very good point. No, no, he's not. Yes.

No, don't do that. No, I just need to ask you another question that has to do with my marriage. Is it disrespectful? Yes. Okay. We finished renovating his house out east, right? And it's a house.

I never had a house. I don't know anything about a house. It got fireplaces in it. My wife is gonna tell the general contractor and the general contractor's like number two guy in front of me, hey, can you teach my husband how to make a fire? Because he doesn't know how to make a fire.

I'd rather you let me burn the fucking house down before another man teaches me how to make a goddamn fire that's not my dad. In front of me. You could have pulled me aside and said, yo, can you ask the real man to teach you how to make a fire so you don't burn the fucking house down? She's like, stop talking to me in front of me! You could have pulled me aside and said, can you ask the real men to teach you how to make a fire scene over in the fucking house now?

She's like, stop talking to me in front of people like this! Yo! That's another form of disrespect! If Bonnie Blue is in the room, I'm not going to be like, yo, can you teach my wife how to... Nah, but yeah, that's fucked up. I mean, a YouTube link would have fixed that and said, hey, here's a YouTube link, check this out. But you probably wouldn't have watched it.

In front of everyone is crazy. And they got like the logs that you just light this end and it just starts. DuraFlame, that's my shit. You don't even gotta do nothing. I put one of those shits in the fucking electric fire. I didn't know that. Apparently some of the fireplaces

just has fire come out Which is a great invention if you ask me, but I got the dirt flame shit in that and I'm like, okay, I got it We're good goes. This is an electric fireplace melted the whole don't need to put the dirt. She's right to ask that So did you learn no I just walked the perimeter of the property just to make sure everything was legit My wife just took videos of me apparently walking the perimeter property like just being a 50 year old man Like an old Japanese dude is behind your back. Yeah, just looking at observing everything make sure everything's weird I like that fence is leaning a little this way. I'm after talking to neighbors Yeah, I'm turning into it. You really are.

You're turning into it. That is crazy. That is what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stand my ground. Stand my ground. This evolution. I understand standing your ground.

That's crazy. I understand when somebody's maple's creeping onto your property line, I understand standing my ground. That's gonna be an issue. I understand that. Mm-hmm. Are you building a bunker too?

Say again? Are you gonna a bunker too? Say again? Are you going to build a bunker? I wouldn't tell you if I was. Everybody in the first place they go to survive the apocalypse is my bunker. So there's no bunker. He's going to be on a rain cam in like two weeks. Just like knocking on someone's door like, excuse me. What do you need protection?

You getting a gun? You getting anything? You getting a gun? You getting anything? Yeah getting a gun? You getting anything? Yeah. What is that? What do you got? I don't believe this at all.

What kind of gun? I got a system that lets you know the door opens. So I'll know before I'm killed. Side door jar. I'll be like, babe, I love you. T-minus. Countdown. You want to fuck once before we die? Oh, my God. All right. So you had a good barbecue.

Everything was cool. It was great. And Alex came by, cooked up some steaks, and it was awesome. It was a great time, honestly. I'm not good at cooking steaks. He loves cooking steaks. It was a mutual, you know, mutual process. Everyone, everyone won. You gotta man your own grill, son. It's scary cooking steaks.

I didn't know you have to clean the grill. So one time I cooked steaks, started a whole grease fire, burnt the shit out of the steaks, and then almost burned my whole apartment down. If you wanna learn how to start a fire, that's actually a good place to start. A bunch of grease from your grill. Wikipedia everything you do before you do.

Why not that? It just didn't occur to me that it had to be cleaned every time. So I was like, yeah, I just kinda. That makes sense, it checks out. Yeah, exactly. Why does it have to be clean? Grease drips down and apparently cakes the whole thing.

And flammable grease. But doesn't fire clean? That's my thinking, right? It just kinda gets rid of all of it. But no, it turns into carbon buildup and then is the most flammable thing ever. It's so flammable you can't even put water on it to put it up. Yep.

What do you gotta put, milk? No. That shit works on hot ones. You want that, right? Yeah. Just gotta suffocate it. Yeah, what would you do? I'll put milk on it.

No, you have to throw a blanket on it. That feels more flammable. That's what I'm... Maybe the Native Americans were on fire. Maybe that's why we did it. Yeah, stop, drop, roll. Do something. But that's the whole thing.

If you have a grease fire, you have to get the oxygen out. Because you pour water on it, it explodes. You would think that this would be something people talk about. Yeah, now maybe you're right to just outsource it. That's what I'm saying. Now I'm hearing this. It's a lot to do. Right next to my child's there?

I can't deal with all this stress. Yeah, we're not real men. We didn't even accept this about ourselves. Yeah. You know what I mean? You guys didn't have barbecues growing up? I didn't barbecue. Who are you talking to the Hindu?

Yeah, I could put veggies on that shit My dad and my brother they were barbecued I never did okay, my dad didn't do nothing He's not barbecue no barbecue. What do you have, a cauliflower? What do you have on the barbecue? No, the tandoori oven is a version of a barbecue. Some people would have barbecue chicken like the good dads. What is a tandoor? I think it's a grill.

I thought it's a type of... Clay oven or something? Yeah. I'm too American to know, but we should look this up. That's crazy. You should know this shit. You know what? And since I went to India and found out how American I am again. I'm like, I don't know

Liberating is so nice Pressure before I get everything right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm American and you guys tell me this all the time And then you get mad if I get something wrong go fuck yourself Yeah, right You're so American and then when you get something wrong. How the fuck dare you? You're so American. I know! Call, if they call you so Indian, then you'd want to live up to it.

Exactly. But because they call you so American, there's no pressure. And also I can't live up to it. I'm not going to that fucking poor ass country to live. I gotta get food poisoning for seven days and he's like, yo, free Pakistan, bro. Oh man, you want to lose weight, go to India, eat some from a five-star hotel, see what happens. How is shit over there? They still throwing missiles?

We're good for now. We're good for now. Sears fire? Yeah. Thump dog? Yeah. Trump took credit for that, yeah. Did that shit. All right guys,, stay with us for a second.

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Mark Ashton, the grill for him. Yeah. Yeah. It's like your two steaks are out of here. So where our studio is, is in, we're in Soho, Manhattan, on the border of like Soho and a neighborhood called Nolita, north of Little Italy is what it stands for. And there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Soho is south of Houston Street. Yeah, I got that. Tribeca is triangle below canal. Oh, I know that one. Dumbo. Dumbo. I just never go to that gay ass place. Dumbo is dumb dumb ugly lesbian.

That one I know. Down under Manhattan Brooklyn overpass. Manhattan Bridge overpass. Yeah. So apparently there was a kidnapping here for some guy's crypto. Yeah. I don't buy it. Not only kidnapping, torture. How could you not get the guy's crypto? They ended up not getting his crypto. They had him for weeks. They were allegedly torturing him, but they couldn't get the guy's crypto? They ended up not getting his crypto. They had him for weeks. They were allegedly torturing him, but they couldn't get access to his crypto. I don't know.

Something's off here. I mean, if they did that to you, they wouldn't get access either. You don't remember your password. But that's on them. Call mom is choosing me. So maybe it's that type. Don't choose me. But he would just get killed. But if you kill me, you can't get my crypto and nobody can get it.

That's what I'm saying. They're torturing this guy for weeks and he's gonna see the crypto billionaire who's gonna stand up to weeks of torture. Son, water boys. I've seen these crypto billionaires. They're not standing up to weeks of torture. But he did that. Oh, you're on my side. Yes, that's why I'm with you. It's fugazi. Don't add up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there more to the story, Joey? What actually happened? So he gets tortured. How? He gets tortured, electrocuted, pistol whipped. They take him to the fifth floor of the building, threatened to throw him off. Oh, they shouldn't have.

Eventually, it's like, I'm gonna give you my crypto, my passwords on my laptop. When they went to go get the laptop, that's when he made his escape. Whoa. So they left the room and he ran out barefoot. Everyone left the room? Yeah, everyone. What in the fuck is that? Everyone, Hey guys, let's all go over there. He was an Italian guy.

He was Italian. He was Italian. Oh, well, I think we need to see reenactment of what he might have said to the police when he went over there. Do you think he looked like Schultz a little? Schultz, what do you think he said when he went to the police? They tried to take my Ethereum. They tried to take my Ethereum. They. They tried to take my aetherium.

They pissed and whipped me in my face. They pissed and whipped me in my face. I have one mochiato in one week. I'm so tired. I have only one mochiato in one week. They take my aetherium and my XRP. They take all my XRP in my interior man. His name is Tio Fastro Carturan.

Michael Valentino. Tio Fastro Carturan. Get the fuck out of here. The walls are so thin in New York City, you would have heard that shit. This is no LIDA. Every wall is made out of cardboard. There's no way in hell they tortured this guy for two weeks without anybody knowing I don't believe it. So what do you think happened?

I think they were all in on it or something like that together and then they tried to put a little pressure on him But they did they he knew that they weren't gonna do anything fucked up to him If you waterboard somebody they just tell you do you remember when we waterboarded each other? You were there yeah, I know it's for content You were there. Yeah, yeah, I know. Just for content. We should clarify this for a video. It's a video of us waterboarding each other on YouTube right now.

We just wanted to see how effective it was. Incredibly effective. Is this the guy? After he escaped. Whoa, what? Wait. He got a robe? You didn't tell him to give him a robe? This is Four Seasons? What the fuck are we talking about? This is some gay shit. I promise you this was like a gay tryst just cuz they're Italian really I

That's him You're telling me you're not gonna hear something. It's also funny They said they put a air tag around his neck so they could find him in the house That's like you just had him in a room I was like, you just had him in a room. How big is the house? Yeah, oh yeah. Yo, the guy gets the whole house? Yeah, he had eight bedrooms to walk around in, apparently.

I don't understand. This is a fake story, Doug. Can you guys explain this to me about crypto, though? What is the... So the idea is that you can't track the money. You know it's exchanging from wallet to wallet, but you can't track the wallet to a person. Is that the idea? I guess, yeah. Hypothetically, it can't track the wallet to a person. Is that the idea?

I guess, yeah. Hypothetically, it's just an anonymous wallet with a code. Got it. So that's why it's easier to get away with stealing somebody's crypto. Yeah, I think so. Because we know where it is on the blockchain. We just don't know how that blockchain connects to a person. Yeah, it's not registered to anyone. And then what is the cost of registering it to somebody? Like why does that inhibit the freedom of Bitcoin? Like I might be making like the argument for a bank right now, so excuse me if I am, but wouldn't you rather your crypto

be registered toward to you in the event that if someone stole it and then it went to another account, you could find who that account was registered Yes, then probably creates a security risk. We have billionaires and you know exactly who they are And then they're sending money to other people and now you would know the nefarious things that people are doing with their money I mean that was like to steal minute just be like, yeah, it's a security risk I don't want people knowing that I just got paid $5 million in Bitcoin and they have my name and they can find my address.

Got it. So you have your own wallet information. So if you wanted to disclose that you can to try to track ship, but for all the people trying to do illegal shit, they're like, okay, I want to get away with this shit. Right. It makes sense for the illegal stuff, but it is a huge security risk when you think about it. You know, the fact that like you know your crypto password

and somebody could kidnap you in your house. Like if anybody is a crypto billionaire, you have to have 24 hour security because the cost of just locking you up and transferring the money is super high. Yeah, or don't tell anyone. Make sure no one knows. You are a crypto billionaire. But some of these guys are on yachts

and doing the whole thing in Miami. They thought they were living sweet, but you know. That's the whole thing with Satoshi, right? Like the dude that started, no one knows who it is and he has like all this, you know, all these Bitcoin holdings or whatever. Right. But like no one knows him,

despite people knowing what his wallet is. Is it fucked up I have zero sympathy for kidnapping crypto billionaires? Tell me, tell me, tell me why. I don't know, I just don't feel bad about it. They like gambled, they made a lot of money gambling, it's like, eh. Yeah, it feels like gray area crime.

Like it's not literally crime, but it's like you're doing street shit, if you get caught up, it's like, that's it. I do think you have to understand if you make a lot of money in crypto, nobody feels any sympathy if anything bad happens to you. They feel like you don't deserve it. And that's just who cares. Because everybody who's been in crypto was just like, you guys don't get it. You guys are idiots. Blah, blah, blah.

I was like that. I just didn't make any money. Oh, now you didn't make any money. Now that Bitcoin's at an all time high. Oh, I didn't make any money. I forgot who stole my shit. But, yeah, it's like, you gotta understand the cost that comes with that is no white hills any simply for you. And just deal with that. That is what it is. Anything bad happens to you, you know what it is.

But it is like winning the lottery, and you gotta keep quiet about it. But if you were the banks and you actually felt like crypto was threatening your institution, it would behoove you to pay people to go out and rob big crypto holders because then they would say, hey, we need some sort of regulatory body for crypto so we could track the money. Because if you take my money from my bank and put it into your bank, it doesn't matter where it is. It could be in the Cayman Islands somewhere.

We can at least track it to a bank account in the Cayman Islands and probably track that to some trust that is owned or you're on the board of. And then the SEC can put pressure on the bank to reverse it, get the funds back, etc. So I wonder if enough of this happens that people start to go hey the, what is it called, the decentralization of money is great but it does put you in incredible risk. So maybe it's like, oof, this is tricky. Like you have to be completely silent about being a crypto billionaire,

which is I feel like at this stage, like almost impossible. If you're really into the community, you know who the big holders are. Yeah, I don't know how you fix this problem. Like, I mean, kidnapping a person and taking whatever's in their house is probably the same time in jail as kidnapping a person and exchanging hundreds of millions of dollars in crypto. Yeah, the upside on the second one is crazy.

That's why like the upside of like robbing somebody's Rolex was so high. It's like if I take your iPhone or your Rolex, it's still a felony. So I might as well take your Rolex and get a hundred grand, then take your iPhone. So it's almost like having the same punishment for anything over $500 almost incentivizes people to kidnap and rob for crypto. Whoa. Yeah. You have to torture them for the password Like you can't just take their wallet.

It's already password protected. Right. That's where crime elevates. You have to get the password. Yeah. Their watch is just a watch. Oh, I know how to stop this. It's like you and you don't need like an official regulatory committee, but you basically get your money manager, whoever it is, like your business partner, you get them to be a secondary sign off on any transfer of funds. So you gotta get us both. So you gotta get us both, and it has to be both in person,

it can't be just a phone call. So you can't move money as easily, but at least you are protected. That's a good idea. And somebody take it. They have to do something about this. Two-cheats. Yeah, two-factor IRL. Yeah

We don't have this problem so we got the Winklevoss's a few blocks down the road how is nobody cut kidnapped them They owe that to you. Yeah. You built them up. You talked about it. I did so much for them. You really have. I did so much for you. We had Pomp on the podcast multiple times.

That's true. They can give you back a coin or two. Yeah, two. I mean, it's just... These guys are billionaires for no reason twice. Isn't that crazy? That's nuts. Yeah, that's fire.

Yeah, you almost have to think it's for a reason if it's for no reason twice Yeah, I guess if it's no reason twice, but it's so weird like when a girl gets twice you don't feel that way What's the time frame? Wow. You're bringing it up. You're bringing it up. Mark would have rubbed common in nipples. You would have had second hand, what did we call it? Second hand gay? What was the thing we called them? Brilliant idiots?

I think it was second hand gay, yeah. Yeah, you would have had that. No, no, no. I denounce sexual misconduct. I don't want to get political on the pod, but I do. Let's not get political on this podcast. What else is going on in the world? The Knicks, dude. Oh, obviously. Obviously.

Obviously you're down to one. Obviously down to one. Obviously we're Nicking right now. Obviously. Kn down 2-1. Obviously down-pointed. Obviously we're nicking right now. Yeah, obviously. Nicks and nicking. I'm not even gonna say that. No, no, no. That's how I like it.

So Game 4's tonight. How you feel? Well, that's easy. That was easy dub. We got it now. We figured the whole thing out. What was the... What'd you figure out?

I mean... Do you want my honest... Yeah, I want your honest opinion. Every stake listener right now is tuned in. Okay, this is, you know, we love Josh Hart. New York Knicks love Josh Hart. Yeah. This is our most beloved player. Obviously, we love Brunson, his ability to score, but like in terms of like who represents the heart and the grit of the city is Josh.

But when Josh is out there, he's not a threat offensively, so you can just let Halliburton guard him. So Halliburton is the person on defense that is the biggest liability. So when you take Josh out and you put someone who can score on Halliburton, you can take advantage of that. Also, having Mitch come in and just cause chaos on the boards, cause chaos on the offensive boards, I mean, it's been crazy what he's been, and like really doing damage defensively at the rim. You know, I think it changed the game a little bit,

but also like we just put the bench in and let the bench run with it. And I think what happened is we got a little complacent. Barkley said something like, yo Brunson, you gotta trust your teammates. And it's what happened is we got a little complacent. Barkley said something like, you know, Brunson, you've got to trust your teammates. And it's not like he doesn't trust his teammates. He just trusts his own ability to get a bucket whenever he needs. Yeah. But you also want your other guys to be able to feel like they are trusted

to score. Yeah. So he got into some foul trouble and the other guys had to pick up the slack and Kat went crazy. I think we're relying on three too much. Cat needs to take his zesty ass to the hole. Son. He just got a, he's got a drive-in book. Cat is the greatest big man shooter in NBA history. Yeah, I've heard this.

In NBA history? Percentage-wise. Oh, wow. He's like a fucking great three point shooter. He is the greatest. And I just said, he should stop shooting. Stop shooting. I didn't get it, because sometimes he'll pull up

from like damn near the logo. I'm like, what is he going to do? I didn't realize he's a better shooter statistically than Dirk. Yeah. That is the greatest shooting big man in NBA history. And I think a lot of us that look at him and we're like, man, you so big, just take it to the basket

and dunk on these motherfuckers. His game is shooting and then kind of chilling on D. And we got to kind of embrace that and then kind of chilling on D. And we gotta kind of embrace that and then bring Mitchell Robinson in to hold down the D where Kat's not gonna do it. But Kat had a 20 point fourth quarter. Yeah, Kat's been playing well, man. And he's not afraid of the moment.

That's the hard thing. Yo, Nick's gotta chill with this zesty ass shit until the playoffs is over. Like, we're not gonna be criticizing the guy who dropped him 20 in the fourth quarter and called him gay the day afterwards. But that was, you know, out of love. Out of love.

After we win the championship. How I call y'all zesty. I love y'all motherfucker. Y'all some zesty. Busty. B****. For real. So once we win the championship,

give him a float in the parade or whatever, but don't say shit until then. All right. Also, he's not really more zesty than the average Dominican. Dominicans embrace the zest. That's true. They have to run in their own pants. It's more of a cultural affect.

Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They dance with their hips. It's like they got a different family in the Dominican Republic to prove that they're not gay. Exactly. They'll have a family here and a family there. The second you think they're gay, they'll be like, yeah, but I got kids my wife don't know about you. So it's baby cat gotta do that. But in terms of in terms of making fun of our star big man who's shooting lights out and keeping

us in games, we gotta squash that for a few more weeks. What happened in Game Boy? My bad cat. How does Game Boy even? Oh my God. I don't know nothing about that. I thought it was over. Until I saw y'all's texts and I was like, what happened? I stopped watching. Did you leave before? That was the game you went to?

I stopped watching. No, no, I wasn't live at that game. I was watching on TV. Gotcha, gotcha. That was heartbreaking. Yeah, it was. I sent a text to my wife. My wife went up to sleep.

I go, Nick's are up 17 with three minutes left. We got this. And then I immediately text her back, because you know how superstitious I am, and I'm like, shit, I take that back, I might have jinxed it. Too late. No, you gotta hit unsend.

I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what I was watching. Yeah, I know. How does that happen? It's just like bad. I've never seen anything like that. They went lights out shooting. I mean, I think they hit like eight.

That guy James Leesmith hit like six in the fourth or something, like six three-porters. But also, I just never seen anything like that. They went lights out shooting. I think they hit like eight. That guy James Lee Smith hit like six in the fourth or something, like six three-porters. But also I just never saw. And then Halle's last shot, what a favorable bounce, but like crazy. Yeah. Crazy. I went to game two. That was heartbreaking. What's the go on?

So here's what I don't. Heartbreaking. I know the paces are talented, but on paper the Knicks are so much more talented. So they got, they run an incredible pace. So what they do is like, first of all, they pick up 94 feet. Right, so by the time, what that means is they do a full court press, which is very rare in the NBA because you have the best ball handlers in the history

of the sport that are bringing up the ball. So usually you're like, well, there's no way they're gonna create a steal or create any kind of like, defensive pressure out of this. But what it does is by the time the Knicks set up their offense, instead of having 20 seconds left on the shot clock, they got like eight. When you got eight seconds left, the play is rushed.

Everybody's thinking about that clock ticking. And if your first option, that first pick and roll doesn't go as you would hoped, it's not like you have time to reset it. So now you're forced to take worse shots. And they have the talent that's willing to pick up 94 feet. Not every team has the talent that's willing to pick up 94 feet. Yeah, I mean, Pascal's a crazy defender.

Well, and then Pascal's been playing out of his mind offensively. I don't think that, like... Like, him specifically, now we're getting into like deep basketball shit but you can't put someone too small on him because he has this great little like bump to create separation and then he kind of like fades away and he's at around like 12, 14 feet and he just lights out. So you need someone with length but if that person with length isn't big enough, he'll just bully them.

So he's a matchup nightmare. And then the other thing is, as far as like getting picked up 94 feet, Brunson is not fast. His game is really interesting. He has an incredible first step. So his first step, he gets by you. And then after that, it's all weight. So he gets by you by like a couple inches, and then what he does is he leans on you now that you're basically, now that you can't put pressure on him to stop him from going to the basket, he leans into you.

Lean into you, yeah. Exactly. So now once he is the angle, there's really nothing you can do. If you lean too much on him, he jumps foul. If you don't lean at all, he uses your body, and his body creates separation. But he's not blowing by you.

So when you're getting picked up 94 feet, he'll get by you, but then a quick defender will just get back. Whereas a speedy Claxton or like, you know, some of the guys that we grew up watching, like really quick, like an AI, for example. Once AI gets by you, he's a sprinter. It's like, you're done. So you gets by you, he's a sprinter. It's like you're done. So

you don't even bother picking him up 94 feet. So there are some like interesting wrinkles. And when Brunson, I feel like they got his handle down where it's like they know when he's going to do this behind the back move. Like they've been picking it from him quite a bit. He's still scoring 40 again. He's unstoppable. But at what cost? It's like he's putting a 40, but are the other guys getting involved? So it's a tricky. So you think Game 4, they got it? I think they got it. I think being able to when you're down, oh, too, and you go to an away game and then you win in a way game,

especially after being down 20. Yeah. You now all of a sudden get all the confidence that evaporated back. Yeah, I think they get this next game. I think they come back. And I think, I think it's how confident you feel about that. Uh, 100%. So how much you're betting on it. If I was going to use the largest, uh, social casino, um, the leader in global betting and you have social casinos. Yeah. What is it?

Stake. If I was going to do that, which we still have to talk to them and figure out what the fuck? a social casino But if we were gonna use the leader in goal betting and you're social senos, you know to bet on this game I would bet I Put a hefty amount on there my boy How much you just said a hundred percent so I put a hefty

Life savings could be like that could be I got a child bro So you're not feeling 100% I got a child Never child to be a very different situation money you can make for her future Okay, you just put all that on if I'm if I'm you guys I wouldn't bet your whole house. That's what I wouldn't do Okay, but I would feel very confident in putting some money down I put a hundred dollars Doesn't make more fun. Yeah, I put a hundred dollars, put a little hundred on it. Anyway, use your promo code

Flagrant for your welcome bonus when you go to stake You also got to get Tim Shalime on the pod, dude. That's gotta happen. Yeah, Tim has been killing it. Quartzside Timmy, bro. I mean, I love it. He worked his shit. Swagged out, too. Yeah, the fits are crazy. Whoever's styling Tim, by the way, you're absolutely murdering it.

It's not try hard, it's like vintage Nick stuff. Yeah. It looks good, like you gotta slightly try hard. Tim's. But he's Quartzside, he's Quartzside. That's the only thing I was gonna say, it's only to Tim's. Yeah, it's a little. Whoever's doing it is not like from New York.

It's funny as I have to. Yeah, but you're from New York. Yeah, yeah, I know, it makes no difference. So is Tim, but like, you don't gotta wear Tim's every, it's still like what somebody thinks people from New York wear, but enough of this stuff is like old and vintage where it's really working and it's firing. He's into it.

I mean, he's a, yeah, he's a real fan. Courtside in Indiana is crazy. That, you know, that shit is usually illegal. What? Courtside seats usually are just owned by the team. So like anytime you sit courtsideide the team is basically going here Comes at courtside and they don't allow you like for example. This is Indiana, right? He's not wearing any Nick's paraphernalia

So what he was what a few of the courtside seats they give to people to like buy And a very few of them so for example. I had some buddies of mine Shout out to Ed and Randy they have courtside seats in Boston. They invited me up there to go to the games, right, when Knicks were playing Boston. And they had Timmy there in those seats as well. And the rule was like, you cannot wear any Knicks. And they had to argue with the franchise, because they knew that he was like this New York figure and like, we can't have a New Yorker in here. Wow. Like remember when the Knicks were playing the 76ers? Yeah. There were so many New Yorkers that went down to Philly for the games that the owners bought like 3000 of their own tickets and gave them out to policemen, firemen. Wow.

So they do protect the aura, if you will. So for him to be courtside in Indiana is, the aura, if you will. So for him to be courtside in Indiana is, they put it this way, there are a lot of like, behind the scenes negotiations for it to even happen. And the number one prerequisite was he cannot wear any Knicks attire. Is it just optics and brand? Or do you think it actually affects the game

if the whole courtside is opposition? I think it's optics and brand. I mean, it can like affect you a little bit, but these guys are so locked in, they're not worried about. That's what I assume. I mean, it can like affect you a little bit, but these guys are so locked in they're not worried about it. That's what I assume. This is like ownership being like, yeah, we want every shot to show our people. Exactly. 100%. I heard Oklahoma City is actually super tough for opposing fans to get in. Oh, because that's all they got.

I think they said no to Lil Wayne or something when Miami was playing in the finals, I think. Well, they're the college basketball atmosphere. Yeah. They all show up. That's a good point. They wear the shirt. It's the only thing they got. Yeah, it's the only thing they got out there and their team like show their fans show up for them. Boring ass team. Yo, what's happening to Ant Edwards, bro?

I don't know man. I I hate seeing SGA like. He's killing them. Just crush them. Like yeah, I just I don't know that team I'm not a huge fan of the Oklahoma City Thunder And I love the Wolves, I love Ant Edwards. I would love to see them win, but that last game I think just broke them. Losing by two, we're down 2-1 already, I think it's just a wrap. At home. Yeah, I think it's a wrap, but like, I thought this was going to be like the breakout for Ant.

I thought he becomes the star of the league for the next 10 years from this specific playoff series because you're going against the guy who was just called the MVP and I'm thinking you got a little chip on your shoulder yeah oh they gave this Canadian motherfucker the MVP yeah I mean game three busted ass but then I think Oklahoma had 16 last night yeah game three he was like two for 16 shoot it like something I feel like he had the chip on his shoulder for the LA series And then after that he's good now. He was putting up angel reach numbers, man Yo question about this angel reach thing

Just angel Caitlin not not I don't want to get into like the the RG 3 Ryan Clark beef but like Is okay here's a question if Angel was white is this even a rivalry no not to the level of this I wouldn't say to the level but it still would be because she's if she's white but as outspoken as Angel is it would still be something but if her skills were where they are this is and I'm not this is not even a shot at Angel Reese, but this is like if, let's say they were on different teams, it's like a Steph Curry, Draymond Green beef. It's just like, who cares?

One is a defender and a rebounder. That's phenomenal. The other one is a shooter, a marksman, a point guard. Like, it's not a thing. That's a great comparison. It's not to say that Draymond is a bad player at all, phenomenal player. Hall of Famer.

But there are levels to this shit. Yeah. And the fact that they're even being compared at all is because of popularity one, but also this racial dynamic. Yeah. And there's an interesting thing happening here where it's like, you know how we oftentimes inflate white or minority players in sports that are not black? Like Jeremy Lin.

He was a good player and he played outstanding for that series of games, but he's not an elite point guard. But the fact that he's the only Asian guy, there was excitement around it. And we've done this with white players throughout NBA history. There are certain guys that popped up and were like, oh my God, this guy's so exciting. But it's really just because he's like a white guy

in a sport that's dominated by non-whites. And this is this other version where it's like, she is singular in her talent, not singular, there are other players in the WBA that are really good. And I think they're looking for somebody to like kind of. Kaitlin's game is singular in the WNBA. I don't know, you can say AJ Wilson is a better player, I don't watch enough to know,

but we've never seen anybody play like Kaitlyn, and we're all excited about it. And I do think people were more excited because she was white. People in the Midwest love the fact that this is this white girl busting ass, absolutely. But then we, to your point, I think, to finish it out, then we see Angel Reese and we're like,

well, let's inflate her game, because all the other dynamics are there for a great sports rivalry. And I think Angel is incredible at creating media attention. Yeah, she's very charismatic. Whether she realizes or not, like she is a magnet. Like I think she has far more gravity outside of basketball than Kaitlyn does. Yeah, oh for sure.

Like I haven't seen Kaitlyn like go viral for an interview or anything, that her play is what goes viral. But like anything Angel what goes viral. Yeah, like Anything Angel does is viral like she looks good. She has podcasts that does good numbers like yeah She's good talking shit. Yeah, I see her go viral like that that's great sneakers are selling like crazy right now So she is like she's a cultural figure. Mm-hmm You know, I'm trying to kind of need each other in a way. Like, it's like, not exactly. I'm trying to think of like boxing rivalries, where someone is underpowered,

almost like McGregor... McGregor Pacquiao or McGregor Floyd? Mayweather, yeah. Yeah, where like, McGregor kind of carried the promotion, but Floyd is like the star. And they kind of need each other a little bit. You're saying Katelyn is like McGregor. No, Angel is like McGregor. No, I was saying, Angel is like McGregor.

Where she's like, she's not as talented, but she's able to create so much media circus that it makes everyone more money. She's absolutely a star. And then also it's a legacy beef, right? It's a legacy rivalry that carried over from college. Yeah, the college thing. I mean, even the shit talk just going up to her,

I mean, that was great. Fantastic content. So I don't know if they ever have conversations, you know, outside of the court But it would if I was managing both of them. I'd be like guys just keep doing exactly what yeah Yeah, I think I think that yeah, you're good. Yeah shit talk. We need a guy in the mix Yeah, we need like a we need a tryst. We need a lovers. Oh if if if angel fucks Angel fucks Caitlin's man

They don't do this with NBA. You know, you don't gotta bring girls because they're good, but I'm saying They already having them do the fucking walk-in dressed in barely anything. Like, that's enough. They dress themselves, bro. And they do that with the men on top of it. No, they don't. They do that with the dudes. But you see the...

They are focusing when wearing them high heels, man. Oh, shit. They're not waving at cameras. It's like white people dancing. It's like, one, two, three. So it feels like when you get pulled over for drunk driving. They're not waving at cameras. It's like white people dancing. It's like one, two, three. It feels like when you get pulled over for drunk driving. Yeah.

You know when police make you walk the line? You're like, just walk straight, left foot, right foot, left foot. I want one game where their wives dress them. I think that'd be fire. Their lesbian wives dress them up. And they're like, yeah, wear the cargo cutoffs and then the flannel. You know what I mean?

Like, that's the thing? I do dress very lesbian. She's beautiful. Yeah, come on now. She's beautiful. And great for the league. She knows how to walk. I mean, how grateful is the league that all these beautiful girls can hoop now? I mean, this is literally, it is the difference maker and it sucks for women, but there's

much more interest from women even when the women are beautiful. I don't know what that says about women because we're the ones that I guess are always objectifying them, but there is a level of objectification from women towards other women. They're far more interested in them when they are beautiful and stylish. Women love pretty women. And the second we got this like influx of pretty women in the WNBA and some singular talent. Yeah. Now every there are guys

yelling Ryan Clark and RG3 are having like a spat on the internet about female sports. Yeah. Did you ever imagine that it would be the talk of a sports news media? Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean great for the league. It's like genuinely really cool Yeah, I just wish RG 3 or Ryan Clark picked a different reason to hate RG 3 because there's so many better reasons That's keep going on that because there's so much nobody seems to like RG 3 seems to like RG3. His ex teammates don't really say nice things about him. Owners that work with him didn't say nice things about him. He blames all these, his coaches for playing him when he was injured. He insisted on playing.

He never studied film. That's why he never got better as a quarterback. And everything I always felt was very performative with him and very like, and dude, I talked to people who went to Baylor with him while he was there. And this is before he became like a star star, but he had just started, he just won the Heisman, I was like, what's he like? And they were like, nah, not the nicest guy.

Like he puts it on for the camera. Multiple people said that. And then I see these little things where like his wife is expecting a baby and he's on the air on a halftime show and he's like, I have to leave, my wife is delivering a baby. And then he sprints off camera and it's like, you didn't find that out during the commercial break?

You came back from commercial and then sprinted off on it. So many valid reasons to be like, this guy sucks. And then you chose the one that is, you got a white wife. Yeah. You know what I mean? Especially when Ryan got a white kid. Yeah, dude, what are you doing? Really? Half white kid. He got half white kid,

but he had a kid with a white girl. I didn't know this when we were going through our shit. No, no, no. No, no, no. Shout out Ryan. Ryan's going through it. I think he came back and apologized for bringing up the wife, which is smart. That's something I think we don't really do

on this show, Elise. It's like, if your wife isn't in the public eye, or has nothing to do with entertainment. His thought process was, he said something to try to shield himself, which was, I met her, I think she's much more than a white woman, I think you present her as just a white woman. And his thought process was, since she's in the background

of RG3's videos a lot, I can bring that up, but it's just never gonna look good. Okay, if she is a public figure, is she? Yeah, well, RG3 puts her in the videos. She doesn't have her own thing, but it's like, if you're gonna do that, it's gonna be received. Like, why are you bringing the wife into it? And the wife just because she's white, blah blah blah. Yeah, we don't disrespect wives, we only disrespect bitches.

Come on, but the girlfriends, they bitches. But the wives, it's on. The way you say it, it's just kind of... I've understood the thought process completely. There you go. I'm aligned. I'm aligned. Real recognize real.

It is annoying that the raise of your spouse only comes up if you disagree. You know what I mean? Yeah, talk about that. It's just like, it just seems like such a... To you. I've been thinking about that shit all my time, dude. But like... I don't even want you agreeing with me.

You got it white way. That's consistent. That's consistent. That's a way better position to have. Hey, you gotta be a fan of mine, yo. That's a way better position to have. But just so in the second they don't say what you think, and then it's like, oh, well now your relationship's invalid.

When you agreed with me, it's like, all right, you're black from right now. But the second you disagree, then it's like, oh, you're actually not black. We do start to invalidate. Dr. Kumar. Dr. Kumar. Dr. Kumar. No, that is a great point. We do seek to invalidate the people that disagree with us

instead of addressing the points that they're making offensively. Yeah. And that is what they did to Ryan Clark with the half-white daughter. Yeah, exactly. It's like him having a half-white daughter should have nothing to do with this.

Yeah. Right? But address the opinions you both have. But if you bring in somebody's wife as part of your opinion, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you're opening that can of worms. Yeah. Yeah, man. Well, Happy Black History Month. For next year, because it's early. Or maybe we're late. For next year, because it's early. Or maybe we're late. Guys, this podcast is brought to you by the GOATS, man.

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Morgan. Okay, let's talk about Timmy on the end of the CNN interview that went crazy. God bless, dude, Timmy. Yeah, he was cooking. Yo, did you guys watch the interview? Yeah, he's fantastic. He's great, he's great.

I thought he handled it really well These are my least favorite type of interviews. Yeah where there's a lack of curiosity I don't like this style of interviewing which which comes off as again I can't say like what this person's goal was but like which comes the This style of interviews that I think were popularized. They've've been around for a while, don't get me wrong, but where it's like, this is how I feel about the world, and I'm gonna ask you questions that will confirm my belief about the world.

Instead of, this is how I feel about the world, am I off for thinking about this? I'm around somebody who has in-depth knowledge about this stuff, tell me if maybe I'm wrong and maybe tell me if I should change my opinion on it. So it's a lack of curiosity. And I think that one of the great things about Joe and one of the great things about podcasting in general

is when you kind of decentralize media is you can be curious, you can ask, you can find shit out. Oh, this person thinks the pyramids were built by aliens. Oh, tell me why you think that. This person doesn't think it. He just had the other guy on the guy from Egypt who was it. Tell me why it isn't the case, right? And it's like, and I didn't watch that whole interview. Maybe there's ways that he's gonna push back. But this idea of true curiosity, and I think that's why people tend to move away from traditional media, because it didn't feel curious.

It felt, this is my opinion on this topic, which just so happens to mirror the opinion of the viewers of the network, and I'm gonna bring you on here to either get you to agree with me, or humiliate you for not agreeing with me. And Tim is so savvy, he found a way to jujitsu his way out of it and kind of expose the interviewer. But it's, I think this is one of the things that like people as a whole have been rejecting from

traditional media, is a lack of genuine curiosity and a, it's almost like the interviewer is telling you what you are. Make sense? I wanna give a little pushback. Please, please. I think there's the place for both of the styles of interviews. Yeah.

Like I like the way Rogan does, cause his is like, he's curious. But like if you go with a journalist who's done their research, if it feels genuine, as long as they're not just like trying to have a moment, like if that's what her views are and maybe most of the people who watch this channel, they share similar views, I think it's actually good to have the interview from that point of view and then have the person there who can rebut it.

It means more. Like I watched that interview, I was like, oh wow, this is good, because this girl went in a little bit narrow-minded and Tim was able to like- That's a great point. Debunk all those things. I completely agree. I completely agree with what you're saying. In my point, it's like,

if you already feel the way about the world and you don't wanna change that feeling, then why are you asking somebody to come on your show? If that person was asking to come on your show so they can shine light on this topic that you may feel differently about, that's a different thing. But if you're requesting an interview with somebody

just to prove how you already feel about something, the lack of curiosity I think creates this like, animosity too strong a word, but almost like for the audience, like I almost kind of want to reject it. Like her first question I thought was really disrespectful. The opening question was, so you just had a comedy special come out, do you want to talk about it? Yeah, I think on the press run for the comedy special that I just released, I would like to talk about it.

That's why I'm here. And then it's like she goes, okay, give me the short for it. Give me the short of what your special is. Yeah. Did you not watch the special? Like, to me, it's like a disrespect. Like, let's get this out the way so I can get to whatever. Or do the bare minimum research of who that person is

and why you wanna talk to him. I definitely understand. And I would have taken it that way. I thought what made Tim so effective is he didn't take anything that way. Personally, no. He did a great job. To Alex's point, that does give you the opportunity if you are an adept speaker, especially in that kind of environment, a person who wants to side with her might be like, this guy's

actually making a lot of really good fucking books. He ran circles around it. I think what, to Al's point, it's like, it's great for the viewers, not necessarily maybe her viewers that want to see her opinion, which is also their opinion confirmed, which I think is like an issue with legacy media, it's an issue with like journalism a lot of way

in terms of like print journalism. It's just like, this is the perspective from this magazine and we are just gonna project that perspective on every different story that we tell. And there's something boring about that. It's expected. And that's kind of what I didn't like about it. But seeing somebody that's as adept as Tim at navigating that type of journalism, he's

experienced a lot of it, he's probably watched a lot of it, he also knows comedy way better than she knows comedy, that's not a lot of it. He's probably watched a lot of it. He also knows comedy way better than she knows comedy. That's not her field of expertise. He was able to expose her tactics. And I think what ended up going viral was the exposing of her tactics. Her coming in with this idea that there's like no liberal comedian,

it's like they are all liberal. Every single one of them is liberal. Like the vast majority are. They're all liberal. Yeah. Every single one of them is liberal. The vast majority are. Were they planning on putting the entire interview out in its entirety? No. No, apparently she asked for that. She wanted that.

Which is a testament to her. Good for her. I think he forced their hand. Yeah, I thought they were going to put out an edited version and Tim was upset. He went on Rogan and he was like, put the whole thing out. I think he forced their hand and then if they didn't, they look fraudulent. Because it could be very easy to edit it, chop it up.

My understanding was she has it, so maybe I got there wrong. But I also, the best moment in this clip that went viral is when, I don't know if we wanna play it or not, but when he names the left of center comedians and then he goes, Louis CK, and she goes, and he goes, why, because he's an imperfect person? And that is like, oh, that is the entire liberal problem.

He's a weird freak, but he's liberal. Exactly. That is 1,000%. And that's OK. And we're not going to punish him for the rest of his life because he's into some weird freak shit. Yeah. But do you want that vote or not, or you can't vote for me?

Well, that's why I lose. Exactly. If nobody is, yeah. This is a greater discussion, we could even get into like a response from some of our recent interviews, you know, Bernie and Pete. But like, but yeah, I'm curious

your guys take on that Tim interview. I thought her tactic, like, the steel man in like, In Good Faith, she kind of was just sort of like asking probing questions, had her own agenda. But I also wonder if there's like a style where she comes in so underspoken, like so soft, kind of like leading questions, but not really like staking her position, trying to get him to say something kind of inflammatory or like a sound bite.

And because it wasn't supposed to go out in its entirety, I feel like that was kind of the strategy. And then you can edit it however you want. Do you think that there's, you know, right-wing comedians? whenever you want. Do you think that there's right-wing comedians? And then do you think there's a lot of right-wing comedians in Texas? And slowly kind of getting it deeper and deeper. Nudging you in a direction that she wants you to be already.

Yeah. Which is, I feel like, an unfair way of having an open conversation with somebody. But no disrespect, is that anything different than what Club She She does? And not a big impression of that? Well, what I would do is call Club Shea Shea a gotcha show. Oh, okay.

But that's what I've said it here. I think it's a little different because it seems like Shannon will just be like, so here's a huge controversy you're in, what do you think about it? And he'll just sort of just put it out and then you can deal with it anyway. Shannon really don't even know...

Shannon know the fuck is going on. He don't even know what's going on. So it's just like, you got caught up in this shit, what's your response? The fact that he played football for as long as he did and conformed full sentences with his brain is a fucking miracle. Yeah. It's a fucking miracle. up in this shit, what's your response? The fact that you played football for as long as you did and conformed full sentences with the brain is a fucking miracle. But with this lady it seems like there was a lot of stuff she didn't know.

Like she was making assumptions and then Tim was like no, what are you talking about? Which goes to the point that I'm making, which is like you're coming with assumptions when if there was genuine curiosity and like a good faith conversation, you would just come in not knowing and asking those questions. You know like... I noticed a moment where she was like, I've been researching stand-up comedy. Right away I'm like, all right well then you don't research, you don't know. You didn't know it coming in. What did you research? And then when I heard the question she was asking, I was like, I don't think you really did any research.

I think you talked to a few comedians that you know or people who dabbled in comedy and these guys don't know, dude there's a, you know, or people who dabble in comedy. And these guys don't know, dude, there's a, you know, if you ask people who stand-up comics are, they don't often know the people that we think they would know. Also, there was a point where I think she was basically trying to get at which is the mothership a right-wing comedy club or something like that.

That's what she wanted Tim to say. She wanted to get that out of him to say there's a Republican agenda within the podcast establishment at these comedy clubs that pushes this type of rhetoric. Yeah, and it's just not the case. Now, here's the thing that is true, without a doubt, is that things trend and comedians gravitate,

just like any other person in life, towards their salvation, right? So like, crowd work becomes popular. All these comedians just start doing crowd work, right? YouTube specials become popular. All these comedians do. Posting clips become popular. Everybody does it. There is a time right now where like some of the comedians that are seen now as like edgy and dark were doing PG material trying to get on Comedy Central. So now they're kind of edgy dark because that's maybe a lot.

Maybe that was always who they were and they just couldn't find success in that because Comedy Central had a stranglehold on like what comedy was. But comedians do gravitate towards what they believe will be successful. There is no top-down influence in the mothership like Joe going,

you have to do jokes about this. But there are surely young comedians that think, oh, maybe the way I get on is if I say these things that I hear the popular people in this scene doing. But there is never any, like Joe likes weirdos. Joe likes misfits. He likes, if you knew Joe's friend group outside of comedy, they're like the most peculiar pool sharks and just random people you bump into. He just likes... So there's no pressure ever, but I think that's kind of like what she wanted him to say. But

to say that there aren't like trends in certain things, like the alt scene in New York had a specific style of comedy that everybody adopted. Like early, when I was coming up with comedy and you know, Dave Attell, who's always been like the fixture at the, like at the comedy cellar, every comedian was doing a Dave Attell impression. And they'll admit this themselves, like all their act outs sounded like Attell, their voices sounded like Attell,

their rhythm sounded like Attell. He was so influential that it just kind of trickled down. So there's no question whether that influence exists, but is there like an active push to make people do that? Absolutely not. It's more like how do I succeed within this system? And to give her a little grace, maybe she just heard like what you said,

and now it's like, oh, I'm assuming that people are being told to, this is the comedy we, oh, I'm assuming that people are being told to this is the comedy we perform here because I hear that a lot of the young comics who perform here. She hears a bitter comic who isn't past of the mothership that says something like, oh, you gotta be fucking right wing to get up there.

And it's just like, no, you just didn't get past, and you're trying to find a way to justify you not getting past outside of you not being funny. But you aren't funny. And there's a lot of people who aren't funny that don't wanna just go, maybe I need to get better. Yeah. Okay, because there's no liberal communities

that are allowed at the mothership at all. Like it doesn't even exist. There are unfunny people that aren't allowed there. Absolutely. There are unfunny conservatives and unfunny liberals. I think she's a political, I don't know if she's, I don't know this. My feel from the interview is she's like

a politically minded person who heard that there is a right-wing podcast faction and that's why Trump got elected and We need to go see what's going on with it Optically, it looks it looked like that during the election, which is a high She's looking at all these Republicans going on podcast. I mean like well, obviously there's an agenda And let's talk about this because I find this very interesting I'm not saying this is since our interviews with Pete or Bernie, but obviously we had these interviews with Pete and Bernie that were incredibly viral. And then you've seen a lot more figures in left

wing media be incredibly outspoken about criticism of the administration are not dissimilar to the criticisms that maybe us and other people in the podcast space have been saying for maybe the last four years. Okay? Almost identical talks. Okay? Maybe us and other people in the podcast space have been saying for maybe the last four years. Okay. Almost identical talking points. Us talking about Biden being old and inept and maybe unfit was seen as an extreme right-wing

talking point. Now it is commonplace. Jake Tapper wrote a whole book about it. Right? The same, and again, we shouldn't be bitter, you gotta let people get to places, but the same people that have tried to position us as some extreme right wing,

and some of our colleagues as some extreme right wing, the same people who have tried to position us in that way and spoke about this in that way, are now echoing the exact talking points that we have made for four years. Does that make them extreme right wing now? Are they extreme right wing people? Or were we seeing something that they just missed?

Refused to see. Or refused to see because of top-down influence. I don't know what exactly it is. But I think it's an interesting conversation to have. You see, I think, left with me to start to wake up a little bit. Yeah, the Jake Tapper thing bothers me because it's so disingenuous.

We've learned this since the election, really. So on November 5th, 6th, you learned all this and then had time to write a book by May. Like a full fucking book that went through edits and God knows what else. You had no idea at CNN that Joe Biden was incompetent and senile, and now you're finding it. It's just like such a load of horse shit.

And then to position us as this, I know two of us didn't vote for Trump, at least. So we're not these guys that you want to make us. And it is annoying. I think it's more so when you're a minority, when it's like, don't make me that. I'm not your little mascot for right-wing anything. Fuck you.

Or left-wing anything, but right-wing especially. You're not going to make me look like some sell. Fuck you. Or left-wing anything, but right-wing especially. You're not gonna make me look like some sellout because you wanna lie about your president's mental health and I don't. Yeah, I think that now they're, I think when you're in a position of power which they thought that they were

and it's easy to like be wrapped up in your little echo chamber, you don't have to consider what people are feeling as much or at least you think you don't. And then when you lose an election, there is self-reflection for the smart people. It's very easy, a lot of people have lost the election, it's no different than like not getting passed

at a comedy club, right? Where it's just like, it's all their fault, it's nothing to do with me. And I think that you're seeing a lot of people in left-wing media, and smart people in left-wing media, they're starting to go, hey, there are things that we can change. You know, like Ezra Klein wrote that big,

that book, I think Derek Thompson wrote this book, Abundance, and it's like criticisms of left-wing policies and how potentially it got us here. And they were rebuked by a lot of left-wing sources. And it's like, no, no, no, they're trying to call out the things that they believe will help their party. Yeah. And even that criticism, there's like this rejection. Yeah, but you starting to see

it I Don't know you start I'm gonna say like weaken but you start to see people soften to this idea Mm-hmm. And what's very interesting is I don't think at any point in time they're gonna go, you know Maybe we shouldn't have painted all those other people Yeah as this extreme line of thinking now that we have the exact same thoughts as them. There's no apology, there's no accountability, there's no nothing. So they have to deal, like Jake Tapper should deal with the criticism he's getting. People within these political establishments will move slower in general than cultural

critics. Yes, of course. Like comedians and a lot of people in media and podcasters in general respond to culture and they're able to do it quickly and have less to lose. Well, it just felt like culture, the cultural critics are saying the same thing about us as the media. Ah, I see.

That's where I think I'm a little annoyed. And I think you have every right to be annoyed, but the advantage I think, or the competitive advantage in terms of understanding people that we might have is that we literally travel the country every single weekend. We go to liberal cities, conservative cities, neutral cities, we go every single weekend. And go to liberal cities, conservative cities, neutral cities, we go every single weekend.

And we perform for these people, we talk to these people. So we start to get a good understanding of what people are frustrated by. That's different than like sitting in your Upper East Side office, surrounded by a bunch of Ivy League kids who are just telling you that you're right. And then calling up some consulting firm

who's just gonna be staffed by the exact Ivy League kids that aren't working for you. You're just talking to the same groups of people. So you're not actually talking to, quote unquote, real Americans, they're Americans too of course, but you're not talking to a diverse group. And now that you're on board, it's interesting to see what happens.

I actually think this is healthy. I think it's healthy because I think it like helps the party get a real understanding of who they potentially lost. And is it that you don't have a podcast or is it that you're not talking to people outside of your echo chamber? And when you are talking to people outside your echo chamber,

it's usually some gotcha shit like this interview with Tim. It's like you exit your echo chamber and the goal is to prove that that person is part of this like new mainstream media where everybody's trying to help each other and manipulate, you know, the country and its voters to go in a certain direction. No, it's not that. And also Hollywood has been incredibly left of center for decades. How is that not more powerful than six guys with podcasts?

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just easier to point the finger, right? You don't want to think that you did anything wrong. It's easier for California to be like, oh, but look at the podcast. That's what's causing this. Oh, maybe there's some policies there.

Yeah. Maybe you've got some zoning laws that are making it very difficult to build housing. And because of that, you have this massive housing shortage. Maybe it's on you. Maybe it's on you and those zoning laws. And maybe that bureaucracy is making it difficult to build, whereas in other places, it's not as difficult to build, and therefore, there's more housing. And you that bureaucracy is making it difficult to build, whereas in other places it's not

as difficult to build and therefore there's more housing. And you can take that on the chin. You can go, hey, we should change this because our people need us to do it so they can live better lives. Instead of going podcasters or bros in the hemisphere and there's sexism bigots. It's like the oldest playbook in the world. What makes me a little discouraged is my understanding is a lot of like the Democratic political consultants now We're like, well, let's get a liberal podcast and it's like you guys really don't understand

They're throwing tens of millions of dollars. You had one. It was called the Joe Rogan experience Yeah, and then you threw them out and exactly to what you were saying earlier We're not most of us. I don't think are very few of us are a party We are just reflective of what people are feeling because we travel the country, especially the comedians like you said. So that's just figure out what people are feeling and deal with that and then we will be happy.

We are, hey, everybody I travel and talk to is happy as fuck. These guys are doing great. Like instead of changing the policies, they're like, well, let's just throw money, instead of throwing it at poor people who could use it, let's throw it at a podcaster. Yeah. What are you doing? You guys don't get it. Yeah I mean it's really funny it's like the biggest interview of Pete's career is when he came on the pod. Bernie's

interview was like incredibly successful you know. Do you need a liberal Joe Rogan or do you just need to come on podcasts that you avoided, that you were asked to come on? It's not about having a liberal conservative. It's about coming on places that are curious, that are not trying to like pit you as a specific thing or getcha or edit an interview to make you look bad so that the people that are consuming that network's content feel good about their political opinions. Like an honest conversation is what people, or a good faith conversation is what people are going to enjoy. And that happened. And like I literally saw the media from the

Pete interview. It was like Pete goes on right wing pod and has great conversation and totally convinces them of stuff. And then after the Bernie one happened, you started to see like the conversation go from like extreme right to just like Bernie has fantastic conversation on flagrant podcast like even the way we're seen. It's like, well, yeah, maybe if you continue to do that. Now if Kamala came on, people would know she sucks because she sucks. But that's on her. But that's on her. She's just a very unpopular candidate. I just wish they didn't lie. We asked so many times

to let her expose the fact that she sucks. They all lie. Or doesn't. I think we could have had a great interview with her. I think one of our strengths is just getting people to have fun. And I think we could, if we could have gotten her to have fun, it would have been fantastic. So funny, there's a guy who wrote an article that we're featured in, and he'll remain nameless, but after the Pete interview, in the article, we always say this is the greatest hang on the universe. And I say it because I think we get the best side of people

out, it's not this rigid interview, like we're having fun, but we're still getting to learn something. And he was like, that's the best interview I've seen Pete do oh my oh, thanks man And even though he kind of wrote an article shit and loss right yeah, and not kind then Bernie Comes out he goes dude. That's the best Bernie article ever saying I'm like are you not even Able to realize that like we told you it's the best hang you just saw two Yeah, it's like yeah in the article. He literally is like I disagree that it's the best hang. You just saw two... It's like...

Yeah. In the article, he literally is like, I disagree that it's the best hang. Yeah, I don't know if it's the best hang. I can think of many places that would be better. You gotta retract that interview. But that's... But some corrections, eventually. But isn't that interesting?

It's like you get to put something out there and then you don't ever have to address it and narratives go fly and it is what it is. I'm looking forward to the next election cycle. I'm optimistic because we already see that they are going talking everywhere now or they're starting to. And I think we can weed out some of the shitty people that are getting propped up. That's what I'm saying. There won't be another Kamala if we have a fucking primary and we get to talk to these guys for three hours, not just us but whoever, talk to these guys for three hours, get to know them a little bit and be like,

oh, I like him or I don't. At the very least, you'll say, I like the president we have. I like him or her. If you're a politician, if you don't go speak everywhere, I don't trust you. You got something to hide. Exactly.

Exactly, that's a great point. I think that Americans are definitely opening up to that. And in addition to being willing to go on platforms, having good enough ideas that you're able to package them for the audience. You know what I mean? I think that was part of the Democrats' concern, is like, oh, do we have strong enough ideas that we can defend

no matter where we are? And even if you're in a place like this show that's not particularly hostile, like, oh, do you think Biden's in good mental condition? They're just like, we have no answer. And so they have to lie or they have to admit and then, you know, political suicide. So do you have to also have good enough ideas

you can defend regardless? And the only way that you get your defense up is by defending. You don't know how good your idea is until you're sitting there like Jordan Pearson didn't know how Christian he was until he's sitting with this atheist kid that cloaked him, right? And now he got to sit with that.

And he goes, okay, how can I better argue that? How can I maintain the privacy of my faith, not let someone pigeonhole me into this if he is truly a Christian, without making it look like I'm a non-believer? And he's going to have to, if he wants to, he's going to have to sit with that. I think the Democrats can do that. It seemed like Republicans were more willing to have those conversations and deal with that criticism. There's more grace within the party.

If you get one thing wrong, it's like, yeah, they look the other way. Maybe too much grace. But within the Democrats, there's no grace at all. I also think there's something about not being the party in power, where you get to point at what the party in power is doing wrong.

Yeah, that's a lot easier. So they're on the defense, because they're the ones in control. So if things are going bad and you're in control you have to have a reason for that And if you go on podcasts where they start going hey, why is housing so expensive? Like you got to explain that shit Yeah, that's true. But the party in power is still blaming the party. That's no longer in power for everything going wrong He was one term before. Now granted, there were some other things that went on,

but like, still was one term before. So you gotta have answers and you gotta show people that like things are trending in the direction that they feel will make their lives better. Yeah, one of my fair moments from the interview with Tim and the journalists is like the idea of podcasts as an institution or like an establishment. She kept saying podcast establishment. And Tim did a great job of saying like, it's not some type of centralized force where like you have all

these journalists that are working under this umbrella that all have this agenda. Like that's an establishment. And so that's one great point. But then in addition to that, any podcast or whether it's, you know, like Tim, Rogan, any of us, anything that we say is then criticized and scrutinized. And if there's something that's incorrect, that'll be analyzed. Whereas the journalists can say things that are incorrect, and then there's no scrutiny or recourse for that in any significant way.

Yeah. There's just a little thing at the bottom. So they can say whatever, and they're not really scrutinized. It kinda can hide under the establishment. And that to me proves that the podcast establishment is not really an establishment establishment because you can be criticized for one little mistake you make.

And then every week, we're going to be back on here, we're going to have to talk about it. If it's a big enough story, we're going to have to have a conversation about it. And you have to address it, you have to correct it. Like, there has to be some type of recourse, whereas it seems like journalists don't have that in the same way.

I also think, and I could be wrong here, that there might be a little bit of, sometimes I get this from the traditional media sources, they use podcasts as a pejorative almost. It's like podcast bro, or there is this, we would just call it hate for podcasting. Not actual hate, they don't despise podcasting, but they're like annoyed by it or perturbed by it. And I think there's a little part of me that's like, I wonder if some of these traditional media figures lack the confidence to go out on their own.

They don't know if people will watch or listen, if they're just putting out their own show. They have more confidence being part of CNN, or part of Fox, or part of one of these big media establishments. But like going out on your own is terrifying, because you get to find out if people actually like you, or are interested in you, and are entertained by you, or not. It's scary.

You got to self finance. You got to not only self finance, you get to deal with the fact that people either like you or they like the logo. And there's a lot of people that aren't willing to take that risk. Do people like you or the logo? And when, because at the end of the day, a lot of these people are just doing podcasts. Like that girl's just doing a podcast. She doesn't need to do it, let me get out.

She doesn't need to do it with CNN, she could do it with anyone. Just why would you do it for CNN? Just do it by yourself and become one of the biggest interview shows in the world. It's like, there's a whole podcast studio at WTF where you could hire, take the risk. And I think that we've done it and taken the risk

and put our money up, but also like, put our egos up. It could not go well. We could find out that people are not interested. They just want the logo. You know, there's people at the New York Times that like, we might not be interested in if they weren't part of the New York Times. They're fans of the New York Times,

not necessarily fans of the people. They're fighters that we watch because they're part of the UFC, but we might not watch them if they went up by themselves. Like, so the brand offers protection. that we watch because they're part of the UFC, but we might not watch them if they went up by themselves. So the brand offers protection. And I think sometimes you feel this scrutiny coming from those specific figures.

I think part of it, deep down, is this insecurity of like, I don't know if I could go out on my own, and I'm upset that they felt that they could, and it's working. Because you're making the same content, only you got a daddy. What were you gonna to say Al? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I don't think all people intended to put themselves

out there in that way. Like some people really like journalism, like media, it used to stand for something. I do feel there are people that went to school, went to journalism school and it's like, yo, I want to get the truth out there. I want to spread the message, but I don't care about being the face of things. I totally agree with you. And I think that like, and there's also a version where it's like, they want to be able to interview important people. But when you do this on your own, you got to start with the people that you have built relationships with. You know, like, I don't know if that girl

could get an interview with Tim Dillon if she isn't with CNN, if she's just that girl. You know, and like you have to go through, like we went through a decade of building up to the point where you could sit down with the president, you could sit down with the senator, you know, you could sit down with a fucking Joe Rogan, you know, you could sit down with musicians,

you could sit down with all these different people. And it takes years of your life toiling in obscurity, like trying to make ends meet to get there. So I think there's a little part of it where there's like a little resentment. Yeah, that means maybe. Could be. I don't want to put that on her specifically, but sometimes I do feel that. And I don't think he's saying this about all journals.

I think he's saying it about the ones who speak about us in like a majority fashion. Yeah. Kind of looking down on us. I can think another option would be maybe that's coming from a place of their losing power. That's a good point too. It's like why the fuck do they, I'm with this big institution. I'm with the big brand.

I'm doing all these things. Why the fuck are people watching those four guys just making fun of each other's clothes on a podcast? I did everything right. I went to journalism school, I did the internships, I met all the right people and yet this guy that has graduated in his comedy is now able to talk to the President of the United States of America. Yeah, that's probably infuriating. And to give them some grace, we might have been a part of the institutions if they didn't

project all our ideas. They hated everything we believed in. Comedy Central just had to put out a special and we'd have no YouTube specials. That's simple. All they had to do was just put out one. Let me fail on your network. You could have put out one and failed and then okay, we got the answer from the people,

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