BONUS EPISODE w/ Kanika Moore and Matt Jalbert (Tauk)
00:00Hey, everybody, it's Nick.We're doing a special little...Kanika doesn't know this probably, but Matt Jobberts also.He's doing an interview with Andy, so he's on the other part of this.You know him well, right?And then we have one of my favorite people in the music scene on here today.One of the best singers in the world, one of the nicest people you've ever met.She gets my humor, too, which I always appreciate in a person.
00:22Kanika Moore, how are you doing today?I'm great. How are you, Nick?Good. Are you in Charleston?Yes, I'm home.Is it beautiful there?It's beautiful.My pool looks deceptively warm, but nope.You got a pool?
00:37Yeah, I do.Oh, you rich, rich, rich.She rich, rich, rich.Not rich, if I was rich rich rich, it would be warm.At least it's not above ground.Those pools cost a lot to heat, huh?Yeah, they do.They're expensive.
00:57Lights, too.Yeah, all that stuff.I want to get into this new single you have with Andy.It's coming out today.Perfectly yours.I want to know, what about this song when he played it for you made you want to be a part of it and be on the recording?The duet part.I like singing with Andy.
01:18I feel like I don't get that enough.Usually when I'm up there, I'm either singing or he's singing.Right, right.It's like a shared experience.Country music.I can get into it.Yeah, yeah, yeah.I mean, you're from South Carolina.
01:31I like the words. I like how catchy it is. Also, this is a great way for me to have proof to charge Andy child support for our musical baby.How much so you owe you?And I get my pool heated and then, you know.Yeah, he needs to pay the child support on this stuff so you can keep that pool nice and warm all winter.Was there anything in the lyrics that really spoke to you?Hell raising goodness, sight, and the craziest thing for Malibu to make it.I actually don't like when he talks shit about himself.It was like, you say I snore and all this, like all this stuff.
02:13I think Andy's perfect.Oh, wow.That's a hot take.Andy Frasco is perfect.You hear it.Or hear from Kanika Moore.I think.You heard it.
02:23He needs to hear that.It's good to hear you're perfect once in a while.Yeah.Anybody tell you you're perfect lately?No.Well, you're perfect, Kanika.I'm not going to cry.Your mom of the year, what are you talking about?
02:42Another thing is, like, you know, you and Andy have, like, spent a lot of time on stage together.You know, you always light it up.You both have incredible stage presence.Was there anything you noticed different, like, writing music with him and doing studio stuff,like, a different, like, is he different offstage in that capacity than, like, the show, Andy, everyone sees?So much energy when he's on stage and then,As soon as he gets off, he's just like...Like it.
03:10I guess he was preserving his energy is what's happening.He's preserving his energy.I've also seen Taz do that, too.Like, there's a lot of energy on stage,and when he's not on it, you know, he's just...That looks professional to me when I see someone have all this energy,and then when they're off the stage,they're kind of like holding on to it until the next time.
03:32I tend to agree with you completely on thatin the way that like some people would see that as like a negative thing.Like oh, he's on his damn phone again.But it's like, yeah, he just like did cardio for an hour in front of 600 people or, you know,and gave all his energy.Yeah, he doesn't, like he doesn't, he doesn't, can't talk to you right now.I'm not talking about Andy specifically.Just anyone like that.
03:51I think, you know, it's like lunch break at work.Yeah.You need your meantime.Get your fix, whatever it is that you do to like feel good.Do that shit.Hell yeah.Hell yeah.But like the writing or like what the writing process and like the recording?
04:07Was there anything different about working with him there?Is he like pretty easy to work with on stage?We had more time to work on on this tune as opposed to when we worked on dancing around my graves.He like, uh, I was like at a wedding and had to run by to like work on everything.And like I didn't even get a chance to hug everybody.He was just like, I got like 15 minutes and I ran in.And, you know, he typically told me, you know, what to sing.and like in who to channel when I did it.
04:34This time, like, he talked to me about what I wanted it to sound likeand, like, we kind of worked together a little bit more than the last time,and we have more time to spend together, so.That's cool.Do you guys feel like you're the, do you feel like you're the Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogersof the scene right now, the new Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers?I'll take that.Somebody's got to go of those sparkly shoes.
04:55I think he might be Dolly and you might be Kenny that, no, I'm just kidding.I meant.I didn't say who was Dolly.Oh, man, I wanted to be Dolly.I think you're right, though.I think you're right.He's our Dolly Parton.I want to get into your tone and you're singing,
05:19and just how impressive you are as a singerand how you're, like, one of the best singers around.And so wildly respected in the scene.But do you feel like you're still getting better as a singer, like today?And is there stuff you can do now that you couldn't do five years?years ago.Hell yeah.I think before I, like,
05:39I wouldn't listen to anything that I did before.And now with like live streaming and everybody being able to connect to the showand not even actually be there, I'm like, wait, what does that sound like?Oh, okay, okay, cool.Also to add to that, I'll add to that real quick.You also are very heavily clipped by other people.So you probably run across recording to yourself that you don't even know aboutwhen you're just scroll on Instagram, which is like a horror story.
06:04It is. It is. It's scary. It's scary. But, you know, I try to remind myself that people want, like,they're paying money to see, you know, humans. They want to see humans. And we're all fucking flawed.So, like, give them, like, they came here for the show. They didn't, they didn't want to see, like,something on a screen. They don't want to see AI. I don't want to see some fake built shit. They want to seereal human beings, you know, and how far you've come. So, like, being able to look at myselfback on other edits and other videos and people from, from shitty views and amazing views,just kind of gives me an overall perspective of what I need to work on. And, like, I mean,there's people that I look up to that, like, adapt to each style. I try to look at some of my
06:52videos and be like, am I delivering a different, is that a different perspective? Is that a differentperson or is that still Kanika on these different stages? Can I, can I be a chameleon? Can I,can I embrace a song and become that character and then on to the next and then change again?Like, can I do that? Speaking of people, you look up to who are like some of your contemporarieslike around right now that you like really admire? That are around right now?Yeah, like anybody you perform with regularly. Like I'm kind of interested more than that than justlike everyone like Aretha Franklin or like, you know what I mean?Um, Maggie Rose.
07:32Oh, she's got a crazy voice.Andy?Dude, I, the amount of energy that he puts out on the stage,I see why he just kind of closes up and just like repowers.It's like he's plugged into the wall and he's like refueling.Like a Tesla.Yeah, yeah.The Model A.
07:55Like a Capcom.But, you.He, like, Andy, O'Teele.Oh, man.And what a bastion of light that man is.Yeah.Dumpstafunk, like that whole crew.Like Tony and Ivan have been at, you know,
08:13what they've been doing for a very long time.And to see how music and their career has evolved them into these,like they got the lens on now.Like, they're very particular.what they do because they know what worked with them worked for them before,which means they were looking at what they were doing and they were taking notes and growing as musicians.And they're bad motherfuckers.They're bad motherfuckers.
08:39And there's that too on top of that.Hell you guys.Helps to be a bad motherfucker.I got to figure it out.It does.You got to have it in there first.Yeah, it's true.It's like when you are carving stone into a statue, you got to start with marble.
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10:45Less work for Frasco means happy band.All right, bye bye, bye.Talk.My boys.What's, uh,what, what's, what's some of your, like,What do you love about working with talk besides like they're just nice,nice sweet boys?
11:00Because we all know talk is maybe the four nicest sweetest boys in the scene.They are sweet boys.They are so sweet.I love how personal they make things.Everybody, everybody that I work with, the closer I am to you is because of how much moreyou let me into your world.I think that's why me and Andy click so well, because we're able to be our authentic,just raw selves and just, you know, I don't know.
11:26every once in a while I'll be like, oh, what the fuck did I just say?I'm around friends. It's all good. Talk. Like, when I'm friends.Some of me are pretty good. When I work with talk, they like, they let me be myself in thatmoment. And then they brought their family around. And then they brought the dogs around.Like, I've, I've told this story before because it is true. The more personal and the moreyou allow me to be myself, like the more that we can form that bond where we can have thosememories together and all I did was just I wrote about that experience about when Iwhen I work with them. It helps that they keep a clean bus. They're clean. They're like adult men.
12:06They are so clean. They are grown-ass men. Yes. I've been spoiled. I don't even know. I told AndyI wanted a tour with him, but I don't know. I didn't want your face. No, he's good. It's good. It's just a lot of people.They're pretty clean though. Like they're like very like it's weird.like uh is band i've toured like i sub for their sax players a couple times like and like open for themon a tour they're like uh they have this like notion of how they are on stage but they're veryprofessional like they're on time they like don't you know what i mean like sound check is done on timethey're on time they're not you know they party a little but they're human beings at a musicfestival like it's what you're supposed to do it's something they have in common with andy um
12:47they they like friends and they like community so once the the stage show is done likewe have friends and we all hang out on the bus.And then that's when I run and hide.I get it.You get introverted after shows?Man, I do.I just, you know, I did the same thing that I was talking about with everybody else.I put my energy out on the floor and I am introverted.
13:13Like when I go away, I'm going to collect those coins that kind of get me through the day.And I feel like everybody else is collecting them from me, you know, when they see me because they're extroverted.I just need like aWe have like a ruleIf you're if yourIf your drape is like half staffYou're not allowed to talk to themIf it's like in the bunk
13:31Yeah in the bunk yeahOh and talkYeah yeahThat's a good ruleLike half like closeLike they're just getting airAnd you're not allowed to talk to themYou're supposed to pretend like they're not even there
13:42SoWow that's actually a greatLike they are so matureI'm telling you like it's likeIt's so amazingAnd they're alsoIt bothers me how good looking they are tooYeah, they're handsome
13:54If I met Jalbert, damn he's fine, huh?And Charlie, Charlie in his heart, ugh.Oh my God, he is one of the most like genuine guys.He really is.He's a sweet guy.He's so nice and subtle that people don't realize how good he is at bassbecause he's like so like, you know, like demure about it.Like he's not like, I'm a badass bass player, but he is.
14:20his tone's crazy he's got great pocket but it's like and he kind of plays bass like his personalitywhere he's like there but he don't like you don't notice him but it's there but if he wasn't thereit would be really bad yeah yeah which is like which is like exactly you watch that's likethat's like exactly what in my opinion like whenever i like play a great gig with a bass playerit's like i didn't notice him once that is a killing bass player don't do too much don't dotoo much. Yeah, but like hispersonality makes people forget how good he is at bass.Then you got Isaac. He letting everybody know how good he is
14:55at drums. Oh my gosh. Isaacis likemy little brotherwhen we're on tour. He justnaggs the shit out of me, honestly.Really? I'm telling everybodyI'm sick of his shit. Likeevery time I have like a bug or something in my
15:11hand, he kills it, he squashes it. He laughs.What? He was a Godfairy man.no, that's on bugs.No.He's on bugs.Yes, he does.It was a land and fly.It was like the early stage of a land and fly, so I didn't know.
15:28Okay, okay, all right, all right.But still.I like the hot take where you leaned in and whispered saying, I'm over him.Yeah.On a public for a.I'm sick of their shit.You and talk have stuff coming up.Are you back in the studio?
15:42We're going in the studio, closing out some songs.I don't know if I'm supposed to tell anybody.it again.Okay.Okay.Well, maybe we'll just leave that away.Leave that where it is then.No, you can put it in there.
15:53Just tell, like, you know.Yeah, I mean, people know, whatever.No one's going to kill you over that.Where do you got going on this weekend?You got shows?Skinful.What's that?Like a festival?
16:06Yeah.Well, it's just like a one day show.Oh, Afro-Man supposed to be there.A little stranger.The Stranger Boys.Uh, DJ, what's Shacks?Uh.Oh, DJ Diesel.
16:25DJ Diesel.Yeah.DJ Diesel's gonna be there.Uh, Simafunk.Okay.Semafunk's gonna be there.Are you like just art enlarging or are you?Yeah, you know me.
16:36That's the best, dude.Yeah, I like to hop around.Artists at largeing is my favorite thing to do in the world.Yes.I love doing it.Yes.Because you're like by yourself, so no one's like nagging you about,you can like kind of disappear for four hours a few
16:47want.That's the thing.That's the key.Yeah, you just like disappear and come back.Who do you mean to do now?Yeah, you know me.I like to bounce around at the different stages and just bother everyone.Yes.
16:58Pop into a trailer, get a couple laughs, move to the next trailer, you know?Take all that max.Yeah, stay just as long as get a free snack, a laugh, get out of there before you get annoying.All right, Keneke.This is a great hang.I'm excited about the new single, perfectly yours.It's out today.Yeah, me too.
17:17anything else you want to add?No, just child support, you know, for the music baby that we're making.That's all.I will help you lawyer.Maybe I'll go get a law degree.Let's go.I could probably do it in three years, four years.All right, Koneka.
17:36Thanks a lot.Let's serve them, like, right when we release the song.Yeah.Sir, are you Andy Frasco?Like, you know, when they serve papers, they have to ask you who you are?You're like, sir, are you Andy Frasco?It's like, who the hell else would I be?Sir, bitch.
17:49and then just, you know,and in a song-side plant.Oh, God.They accidentally served Greg from pigeons.Yeah.He's like,he's like, I got real kids to pay for.All right, everybody,
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20:14All right.Back to the interview.Wow, and we're live.Andy Frasco's World Saving Podcast.First interview in like three months.Wow.I'm honored to be the first one back.Matt, you know what's crazy?
20:30Have you ever taken a hiatus before?From music, from guitar.Just life.Just like stuff you've done in general,taking a beat for a second.Not an extended one.Yeah.I'll take many
20:45many breaksbut yeahI really haven'tlike stepped awayfrom music specificallylike put my guitar downfor more than a monthor something like that
20:56haven't done itbut I'm saying likeI mean you going solo is a beatit is a beatso my boy's going sololet's fucking golet's gohow's it going
21:07I took a hiatusfrom doing soloso tell the peoplewhat band you're inthey already knowBecause we have Kanika on the show too.I think the Kanika episode was before this.Nick interviewed Kanika, and I'm interviewing the bandmate from Talk, Matthew.
21:24Yes.Talk is my band, and Kanika is sometimes in that band now.Yeah.I consider a band member.Oh, definitely.She's a band member.You know, we still do shows without her.Yeah.
21:36But we've done many shows with her now at this point.We got an album out, and we may or may not be working on more stuff, too.That's what I like to hear.Come on, give Koneika all the juice.So tell me why you want to go soloand why it's important for youto show an identity outside of talk.I think just for me,
21:58I mean, it's something I've always wanted to dojust in terms of, because I put out an album last year,it was all instrumental.It was under my name, though.And even just doing that was important to me.Just to do something, start to finish.That was under my name.I'm writing the music.
22:14I'm figuring out how to.record it. And once I did that, I was like, okay, well, what's next? Like, how do I grow as an artist?And so I'm like, let me try singing and writing some lyrics. So this is the first version of that.So when you're trying something new, what are like the mental blocks that you have to get through in your head to get you past, like, I'm not worthy of doing this?Like, what was like the first one you saw when you first wrote that song was singing in it?Yeah, I mean, that's the I'm not worthy.whatever that is, you know?That voice of, do I know what I'm doing?
22:50Is this, why am I doing this?Is this even good?All of that stuff, you know?There's actually a song on the record called Imposter Syndrome,which, you know, pretty on the nose.Yeah.So tell me about the lyrics.Like, what did you learn from imposter?
23:04You know, it's funny, too,because it just kind of came to be.That song was about that.And that was a song,since writing lyrics is basically brand new to me.I was kind of just trying everything.I'm reading different books or watching interviews of artists I love.Like, how do you approach writing lyrics?
23:23I've never really done this before.So a lot of different approaches.And that song specifically was one where it was like,let me write about someone else.And just, I was talking to a friend and they were telling me about a new job they had.Right.And same exact thing.Am I worthy?
23:38Should I be at this position?Like, I'm around people who've been doing this for years.That exactly the imposter syndrome thing.And so it was kind of nice to just write about someone elserather than think I have to write about my own stuff all the time.Right.And that kind of help, even like different techniques like that.It's like helps you get out of your own head a little bit
23:55when you're like, all right, well, this is my observationor my interpretation of someone else, what they're going through.Yeah. So that was just one of the things I tried for writing lyrics, you know?Yeah, what about like, you know, I don't know.Sometimes I can't get out of my own way of like going into what's like easy for me or what's like, you know,You know, we go in our, you know, when we're trying to try new things,we always go back to the tricks, the hat of trick, the mat, you know, whatever that's saying.Yeah, yeah, the bag of tricks.
24:26The bag of tricks.So what do you think your bag of tricks are?Well, my bag of tricks is definitely more of a guitar thing, it feels like to me, you know.And even all of this is just a way of expanding whatever your bag of tricks is, you know?Because like sometimes as an artist or as a writer,I'm sure you go through this exactly what you're sayingwhere you're like, you do things so many timesand you hopefully you get good at it,
24:53but you get good, but you get to a point sometimeswhere you're like a little uninspiredbecause you're like, oh, I'm doing,I feel like I just do the same thing every time.It's another one of these songs.Like, how do I expand?So, you know, clearly adding, singing and everything is a huge change.So that just opens up a lot of doors.
25:09But even just getting out of my own wayand getting out of my bag of tricks,even musically,man, I'll try tons of different stuff.Lately what I've been doing is liketrying different tunings on the guitar.Oh, cool.And that's really nice because it's like,
25:23I've been playing guitar my whole life,but it's you thrown in a random tuningthat you've never tried before.Yeah.And now you're just, you know,searching again.You're kind of like a little kidpicking it up for the first time
25:34and there's something really cool about that.Isn't that beautiful?I like that saying, searching again.Why do we forget the search as we get older?Why do we for you know what this is a really cute that's an important question right it's likewhy do we stop searching for ourselves why do we stop searching to be better or to be bigger to bestronger we kind of just get an age and we settle life is tough you know it's like you get olderand it's like you got a you're on a path right right and the older you get the further down you get
26:10down a path, things become habit.It feels like it's harder to change that path, the older you get.And people just want to be comfortable at the end of the time, right?So it's like, I think comfort's a big part of it too.But comfortability loses the Flynn.Exactly.Don't we want to like, we moved to New York?You moved to New York same time.
26:30You're a New Yorker.Like, I live here now.But you inspired me to move here because we're both Denver cats.I know you told me yesterday you're a huge fan.I'm not.Don't you fucking put that fucking evil on me.No, but, you know, it's like as we, you know, this town is inspiring to keep the fire going, but inside we got to keep searching.And like, that's why I'm proud of you that you're going solo when, you know, for even if it's a little bit.
26:56Like, do you feel like you're cheating on your band?No, not at all.I mean, talk is, we're still doing it, you know?It just so happens.We're kind of at a phase in life as a band where, you know, guys have families and stuff.so we're not on the road as much,like we're not road-dogging it like we used to.Yeah.
27:14You're still hitting it hard.Yeah.Awesome.I never had a family, though.You guys are all married.That does, it changes things.Yeah.It's like, I mean, look, these are my best friends,
27:24but I understand, like, maybe they want to hang out with their families more than me now.Yeah, sometimes I feel like when I'm doing more of the music stuff,I feel like I'm cheating on Nick or, like, podcast stuff,and vice versa.If I'm doing too much of the podcast stuff, I'm cheating on my best.band. I think it's normal to feel that way. You know, it's not like a...Yeah, you know, I think I would feel that way if it was, I don't know. The band is so supportive.We've always kind of had that ethos just amongst each other of like, yeah, go do other stuff.
27:56Inevitably, it only helps the band, right? It only helps me, like, as a musician to try new thingsand also to play with other musicians, you know? Yeah. If you're only playing with the same band all the time,it's great you'll get tightbut you need to throw yourself in uncomfortablepositions to grow. This one fucking talking about.This is why I was thinking about you like have you done a show where you'resinging and leading the band yet?I've done a, you know what I did when I started doing this?
28:22I started to, when I was living in Denver I would just bookkind of like local gigs at a bar or whatever.So I did a few like at breweries or it was just me in an acoustic.Which is kind of freaky.Give me your best bomb.Did you bomb ever?Did I bomb ever?Like your voice squeak.
28:37or like, you know, something like...Oh, I mean, nothing sticks out, but I'm, you know,it's definitely a few...It's intimidating.It is intimidating.And especially the, uh, you know,sitting there acoustic, just you.Yeah, dude.
28:53But it's like, I don't know, man.I think it's, it's,I definitely believe in the,the thinking that if you're nervous or you're scared of something,go towards that thing, you know?Dude.Do that.I just said that my money and motivation this.
29:07week it's like when you lose the risk we lose the fire you have to feel like you're losingsomething so you could give it all you can once you feel comfortable then you know sometimes ifelt that way uh you know my old band we were just i was too comfortable with like that's just the wayit is we're a party band when really there was more than that there's you can get out of your comfortzone you just have to believe that what you're doing is going to stoke thefire.Yeah.It's huge.
29:40You have to question all those things all the time.And you got to shake it up.Yeah.You got to shake it up.The second things feel stale.It's like you know,you always know,sometimes you kind of lie to yourself a little bit.
29:51You're like,yeah,this is fine, it'll get better.Like,it'll work itself out.But then you realize sometimes like,no, you got to take action.Yeah.
29:58Actually be like,okay, we need to write different kinds of songs.We need to do something.What's going to...You know, also like when you're with a new bandmates,too. You're like, you're so comfortable with how things are with your old band.Yeah.That you expect it to be like this band.
30:12And you kind of have to take expectations out the window, too.Oh, totally. I mean, that's all part of it.Yeah.That's part of this experience is, uh...You got any examples of that?Of, like...Expecting, like, your band to be like talk, like, practice-wise or, like, you know,or, like, wrangling them in or...
30:29I mean, really the biggest challenge right now for me is just the boring stuffof like scheduling practices.I mean, it's like, you forget.That's crazy.It's so,it's so wild.You know,it's like there's,
30:43what is it,four other guys that I haveset up for the live bandand a couple of them are in Phillyand some in New York.And, you know,everyone's busy.They have other bands they play in.
30:54And so it's like finding those dateson the calendarwhere we can all get togetherand play or it's like,there's got to be.For gold, man.Yeah, and especially,so when your tour's next week.
31:04Yes.Your first show is Thursday in Philly.First show ever.Then where, New York?Yeah, New York City.And then Vermont?Virginia Beach.Virginia.
31:12Oh, yeah, the VV.The dive bar of the beaches.Yes.I love a skanky dive bar.Oh, yeah.I love going down that way.I love trashy beach towns.Yeah.
31:22Shout out.I mean, when I say trashy, I love, like, I'm not saying white trash.Well, a little bit white trash.I like Virginia Beach is fucking just umph for, I don't know, some of these beach towns are a littlehidey-tide for me.There's different beach town vibes for sureYeah no I don't like the hidey sideLike yeah you want
31:39You're gonna see some ratchet ass shit for your Halloween thereOh yeah I hope soIt's a Halloween Virginia Beach like yeah let's partyI went to uh we played Virginia Beach free showThat was the most ratchet awesomenessI love rat I love ratchet showsJust fucking punk I remind me at punk rock yearsMan I'll say there's a
32:01There's a difference in differentparts of the country, right?It's like in New York City,I love New York City,don't get me wrong,but sometimes you do go to showsand feel a little bit of a stiffness.I see that city winery.
32:12When I play city,when I did the,when I did the podcastcity right here,everyone was like,I'm like,I don't know.Yeah.
32:17Yeah, yeah,but it's like,it's like they gotta be cool.Yeah.You know,where it's like you go to Virginia Beachor sometimes you startheading south a little bit,
32:24and people are just like,I'm getting drunk,I'm dancing like a maniac,let's go.That's why I love doing likeBrooklyn shows.Yeah.I don't know, there's something about it.
32:32Even like the people who come from the cityput their fucking shoulders down a little bitand fucking get all hit.Let loose.What's the most ratchet show you ever played?The most ratchet show ever played?Yeah.The most ratchet.
32:49Well, I will say, I don't know about most ratchet.Okay, this is definitely like avoiding the question.Come on, give us the dirt.No, no, no.This is just because we were, I was just,with the talk guys and AC was listening back to old shows kind of like looking for just some coolversions of things and he came upon I think it was a Halloween show and I want to say it was in BendOregon and there was uh I'm in the middle of a song all of a sudden something hits me I look up
33:19it's a it's a beer can I'm like who the I start looking at home oh yeah you get New York youfuck you're about to go to New York on his ass I started looking through the crowd and there's like a fewthere's a group of people that are like pointing at the guy and I just like lock eyeswith him, and I just give him like, do not do that.Like, do not do that.I'm like, don't do that again.Song keeps going.And right at the end of the song.
33:44What do you know?Boom.Another beer can.Are they full beer cans, empty beer cans?They were, if memory serves, like, mostly empty, which is better, you know, if I'm goingto get here with the beer.What a piece of shit.It is a rat, you know, it's a ratchet thing to do to throw a beer can.
34:01So what did you be to that?So this is, A.C.'s going to hate this story, but I love him for this.I am like, before I even have a second, right, to just my, I'm just going to get on the mic and call the dude out and get, like, get him out of the show kind of thing.That's my, before I even get to the microphone, I see A.C. jumping off the stage right into the crowd and getting the dude in a hold.And then that's my dog.The whole crowd just parts ways.That's my dog.This guy gets pushed out of the show.
34:30And Isaac on the mic, it just tells the whole crowd for a collective booas this dude is just getting,boo this man.And it was just a very powerful.Shame.Which was pretty, felt great.You were fighting anyone before?You know what?
34:46I've never been in a fight.I've only been in a fight in third grade.I mean, I bit his leg and he beat this shit.You're a biter?I didn't know how to fight.I'm a Jewish mother.I'm raised by a Jewish mother.She only taught me how to.
35:00fight with my eyes.So he bit his leg and then...He pushed me on down and tried to bite his legand he fucking kicked my faceand beat the shit out of me.It was the last time ever.That was it.You learned your lesson.
35:12I learned my lesson.I mean, dude, I'm not a fighter.New York, though.Yeah?Upper West, though.Well, now, now.But Long Island, even Long Island.Oh, yeah.
35:23There was a couple...A couple parties, like, back in the dayin, like, the high school days where it was just...What about Isaac or A-C?They fought?What about Charlie?You know what?I can't say for sure one way or the other,
35:38but if I had to guess,I don't know of any,like,specific fights that these guys,you know,some like pushing and shove and for sure.You fought your bandmates?I mean, like, yes.
35:48Like what?Give me a story.Like physically or just,what are we talking about here?Just like, you're just on tourand you're fucking fed up with each other.Are you kidding me?It's part of it, right?
35:55What was the worst one?What was the worst one?What was the worst one?Well, there was a period of, when we were in the van, there was a period of tour where we got into like playing Monopoly on the iPad.Dude, that was a bad idea.Are you fucking for real?No, I'm serious.Like, it was all fun in games and like people like talking shit and whatever.
36:19But then it got out of hand.Like, it actually got very personal.So what happened?I did.It's like someone, you know, someone's like, I don't know, Baltic Avenue.And they start, they're coming at you.They're trying to take all the railroads from you.It's like they're conspiring with someone up in the front seat.
36:33You don't know about.They're making secret deals on the side.It's bullshit, man.Fucking tour rules.Doesn't tour rule?I mean, there was another time when we were in the bandwagon.And we, the generator just dead for like basically a week.Yeah.
36:51And so we're just city to city just in the darkness, you know?And so I think there was a lot of like,like Scrabble by, we had little lamps.Yeah.It's like, what are we gonna do?Like, how do we, we're on this bus for hourswith no power, like nothing to do.So yeah, it was a lot of Scrabble.
37:10I don't think that got too ugly though.Scrabble's a friendly game.AC's really good at Scrabble.You're competitive.I see in your eyes.Yeah, you know, I have three brothers,having older brother.So being competitive and wanna be great at this thing,
37:22this solo project, how do you convince side guysto commit to the bit?What's your vision of how to commit?like bringing in new band members?No, just like, how are you going to like get these, wrangle these guys and make them take itseriously?Because everyone thinks, everyone that's a side gig, you're as a leader.Totally.
37:39Yeah, you know, it's like one of those things is like, who's going to care about this more than me?It's my band, right?But you can convince them.But all these dudes who are in the band, which are such a great group, I'm stoked to play.It's like, it's Eli Wenderman from Doe-Bod, Ben Ackin.He used to playing goose, elephant-proof now.Fire band. Who else?Coleman?
38:00Coleman, Muscle Tough,Adam November, who plays guitarand Karina's band.So it's like,this is such a fun opportunityand it felt like really,it was really encouraging, actually,because I didn't record the album with these guys,
38:13but I sent them the tracks,and was like, hey, I have this new thing.And I was just thinkingof different musicians to hit upand, you know, doing what we dofor as long as we do.You know, we make friends out there on the roadand we've toured together
38:25and done sit-ins together.And so it was just really kind of encouragingwhen I sent these guys the musicand all of them were down to do it.Right.And it's like, you know, these are guysthat I know they're not just gonna just come inand just throat, you know, just fake it.
38:39Just fucking, you know, these guys are.Just come notes all over your songs.Yeah, like just fucking jam-bamble.Yeah, whatever.Yeah, whatever.Man, I don't care.I guess we'll find out next week.No, you know, but like, you know,
38:51but it's, you know, as a, you know,giving you a little advice of this thing,because I, you know, the band name is my band name too.I think going to her with a game plan of like massaging egosand learning how to communicate the ball passing.Yeah, yeah.Just like, just learn everyone's love language of what makes them comfortable.Yeah.
39:19So you could be the point guard you need to be for this.It's huge.I mean, yeah, you've been doing this for a while.Yeah.leader. It's a, it's a people come and go and you still need to keep that same vibe,especially if only have three chances at this. Yeah, man. You don't want to get to the last showand finally get your rhythm. Yeah, I know. It's important. We kind of got to like kick into it rightaway. I mean, luckily, you know, I feel good about it. And all the stuff you're saying is so
39:43important, right? It's like, you know, it's important to me too that I'm respectful of, you know,the guys taking the time to learn the music. You've played pickleball before, right? I haven't playedpickleball. No, pickup ball, like basketball. Pickup ball.You know, when you play in the parks.Yeah.How do you approach being a point guy for that?Well, it depends where you're playing, right?I mean, sometimes you're playing with these, like, high school kids
40:04that are just, like, picking fights every player.Like, come on, guys, freaking play basketball.But, you know, yeah, you're playing pickupball.Yeah, you know, you don't want to be the guy that shows up on the courtand starts, like, chucking up three-pointers, like, every time down the court.Yeah.So what if someone does that in your band?What are you going to do?
40:22I've never been in a fight before.No, like, I think about Kobe.I think about those years when Kobe was trying to figure outwho his Lamar Odom was going to be or his pal Gasol was going to be.And those were the years where he was just chucking everythingbecause he didn't trust everyone.The minute he trusted everybody, he became world champion.That's when it changed, right?
40:48Same with the Knicks, right?Oh.When those guys trusted each other.I mean, dude, you throw Jalen Brunson.As like the head of the snake, the guy leading the charge.You're the Jalen Brunson.Oh, I'll take that.It's exciting.
40:59I'm really, I'm, I'm, makes me happy to just fucking put your dick out there like this.Um, I got a couple of questions.You cool?Um, okay, so now your band's pop, talk is popular, is popular.You go back to the beginning.Humbling.Is it humbling or do, are you expecting like, like, you know, like you're expecting, you know,like you're expecting, you know, like, when you're expecting such like,
41:23and then you go back tofucking you're going back to thethe trenches. I mean, yeah, I feellike I'm in the trenches right now.It's like, you know, we've talked a little bit. It's like even justI'm doing pretty mucheverything. I know, you know,like promoting the shows and
41:39just doing everything, building a website,getting the music out there.You know, I havesome people helping out a little bit, but you know,it's all up to me to do it.And it's definitely, it's definitely humbling.And it's a, you know, I wantthese shows to do well. And at the same time, I'm like trying to manage my expectations of like,
41:59I want sellouts every night for sure. Who doesn't? But it's like, you know, my plan with this projectis for the long game. So it's, you know, just start playing shows, getting, getting the wheelsturning and then keep it moving, you know? Sometimes you can get lucky and things can happen quickly,but you know what it's like, what it's like out there. You got to get out there, play as many shows as you can,and build it and just keep getting out there,keep putting more stuff out.It's a long game.You know, thinking about like going back to basics.
42:29What do you, when you're going back to basis,you think about what your vulnerabilities are as a human, you know?What do you think,what do you think your vulnerabilities are of,what you judge yourself the most on?Yeah.You know, I think for this,it's also like, even just promote,
42:51promoting yourself.Yeah.I think a lot of musicians, like,you've definitely got a knack for it.I don't know, like, was it always like that for you?Just, like, comfortable and fun?Yeah.Yeah.
43:01And I'm getting the same way, you know?It's a lot of, uh...Yeah, your videos are night and day since when you started to now,you're like fucking putting...Yeah, it's like...Intention into it.You know, that's what it takes.It's, you know, uh, how do you get people to care about...
43:15It's like, I care a lot about my music.So, I want people to come to the shows.them to hear it you have to you have to promote it it sucks it's not like what you get into thisbusiness for but but then it the reality is is if you're passionate about it you have to do that stuffand you know it's a weird feeling i think to be like promote yourself to be promoting yourselflike hey i have a song without a band name exactly you're just promoting your name yeah but you knowlike i've been doing it again it's like leaning into that discomfort and uh just trying to get justget used to it and also learn to have fun with it too and be creative with it you know it's like
43:54it doesn't you have you got to do it so you know like complain about it the whole time like no try tohave have a good time i'm super proud of you bro this is a some people don't are too scared to fucking do thisyeah you know it's uh i mean it definitely took me a long time to get to this point for whateverreason but uh what were your insecurities like when you're a kid like what were you insecureabout yourself about oh man it's funny i think uhFor some reason, I took a liking to music so quickly.And, like, performing always felt comfortable to me.Yeah.
44:30More comfortable, necessarily, like, than maybe, like, going out and being social all the time.Yeah, yeah.You know, I think I was, I was definitely when I was a younger kid, I was pretty shy for a while.You know, it took me, definitely took some time to just grow into myself.And all of that same stuff of, like, finding your place, like, who am I?Like, do people like?me, all of that stuff. I think everyone goes through it.Are you ever fat?
44:55No, I was always kind of a skinny little kid.I was like a super skinny kid growing up.Did that make you insecure?Being that lanky?No, no.I started to like become more athleticand then sports.I think I was insecure in some sports, like just compared
45:13to other kids and then I realized.Why do you think because you're comparing your abilitiesof some other kids? Yeah, you know.You're...Yeah, it's competition, right?Yeah.But some sports I was, like, more into than others, too, and it was just having fun.Do you still have that in you when you're competing for your solo project?
45:31Just that, that competition?Yeah.I mean, I think competition's a good thing, right?Up to a point, you know, it's not like, even within music, it's like, people could take it too far and be like, oh, man.But you have to be, yeah, but that's ego.Yeah, exactly.Being competitive doesn't have, you don't have to be egotistical about your competitiveness.You can be competitive and still be eagelist because it's okay.
45:55You kind of have to be competitive to fucking make it pass to the 1% that actually get to fucking do this.Yeah.I mean, you got to compete with yourself too.I mean, that's the hardest part.That's what I'm saying.Like, what's beating yourself up about this, you know?Oh, man, like about this project or just in general.In general, the guy's a 38-year-old man.
46:14I'm always like, it's like my wife tells me like I can't chill sometimes.You can't just chill, but I always feel like I gotta be doing something.You know, it's like I always have the insecurity of like, did I write a song today?I didn't write a song today?What's wrong with me?Did I practice today?Did I do something for, and it's like that stuff's important.But it's also like, yeah, dude, sometimes you've got to chill and you got to remind yourself like to enjoy it.
46:40And also to like slow down and not always be living for the future.You have to be in the press.present and like that's just like life lessons stuff that I'm always working on you knowthat's why we're in new york because this town is fast enough for us but we need people likelil i need people like my friends and say hey slow down and sit on your fucking couch yeah but when wewant to be fast we can go out out of that door and be fast oh it's fast out there it's faststay fast and stay slow stay fast and stay there we go uh why don't you tell the people where you'replaying next week so they know where to buy tickets you better fucking buy tickets everyone in philly
47:24new york and virginia beach this is what these top three are my top three markets of this podcastfucking tell them mattie yes yes buy tickets ahead of time it helps but uh october 29th i'm playing inphilly at milk boy october 30th i'm playing in new york city at bowery palace and Halloweeni'm playing in virginia beach at the bunker brew pub all the shows are my band natalie brookOoh, Natalie Brooks playing too.So it's going to be fun.Buy some tickets.Yes.
47:55And then on a personal note, I'm back.I took my hiatus.I'm finally back.We're going to be doing some, I'm back with Nick.I wanted to, you know, introduce myself back into the show with my boy, Matt.But you'll be hearing a lot for me.And next, on Tuesday, I'll keep you updated with what's going on in my life.And how, what's the next step for, you know, life for me as I live in New York.
48:20Matt, I love you.Keep the dream alive.Stay happy, stay inspired,and keep that competitive nature.I love it.You got it.Thanks for having, man.I love you too, man.
48:28Matt Jobbard.
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