Another Below Deck Podcast - Tamra's Therapy Isn't Working | RHOC S19 E4

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

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If you have questions or concerns about gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Ben MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. All right, let's get to Meatball and Zen Master Travis. They've launched their own team, The Gated Group. That is a very good name. Nothing says no pours like a gate. A gate. You know? True. We talk about Travis's balls. Let's do this real quick. If his balls are the size of Fuji apples, let's go to a doctor. If they're not, let's shut the fuck

up about it, right? But, but I want to reiterate, if they're actually Fugees, we've got to go now. okay? Hi, hello, and welcome to another Brands Bang New episode of Bad TV. I'm Dylan, that is Patty. Great to be here. Brush off a strawberry matcha frappuccino, go to patreon.com slash another podcast. Did not drink at all. You didn't? No, I got like third left.

Good for you. I was feeling that sugar high. That's restraint right there. Ruby is joining us as well. Hi guys, how are you? Substack.com backslash gangs of New York. Guys, go to patreon.com slash another podcast network to listen to our breakdown of the Real Housewives of Miami

Get in the comments five stars kind words. We love you for supporting the show also at patreon Bit of a doozy. I'm not sure if you listen to this one yet Rubes, but Patty learns about Venmo. I mean that was that was a banana shell. I think they've started listening So I went on a wine weekend. I laid my debit card down, paid for everything the entire weekend. My wife sent out a text to everybody that was part of the weekend saying,

this is the amount that you owe us. And to say that the reimbursements were trickling in would be an understatement. It's a slow roll. It's a slow roll. Yeah, they're paying you. I'm happy to report one more couple has in fact We embarrassed old patty. Well, we talked about

Venmo etiquette we talked about the fact that I you know, Patty has a I would say a sensible distrust of the cabal of credit But also I don't have a credit card Patty has had a credit card in like two decades So like I'm trying to I think we need to do like. Hold on, everyone stop. No, no, no, no, no. What do you, he's literally, he hasn't had a credit card. And what do you mean, Pat?

15 years. I. Why? Cash everything. Well, 2004, I ran a credit card up to multiple, up to about 22 grand. And I was making about $1,100 a year at that time. Yeah, so That's what you call underwater, right? So when I started Started being a mover and shaker in the pond cleaning Space I started making some real dough paid off the credit card debt and said never again

And so I actually do have a credit card, but I don't know, it was sent to me, but I've never peeled the sticker off to use it. I think we got to do an APS episode where we pick out a credit card for Patty because there are some real beautiful and your credits impeccable. So we could really, we could really get into some really solid options. We are going to get you something like we're going to do,. You're going to redo your floors and take the family to Hawaii for $1,200 somehow. And we're going to make that happen.

We love clean. Oh, I can't believe you're proud. It really sparked a nerve with a lot of listeners. They jumped in there giving me all sorts of financial advice. Yeah, well, Pat, you have impeccable credit. You're very good with money now. It's time. We need to get Patty in a Sam Jackson credit card. Okay,

capital one is doing some incredible things. Hey, Sam, leave some money on the table for another actor. Seriously, these guys are so great. So listen, crazy episode of Orange County. I wanted to present to you guys this question. Who is a worse person, Tamra or Jax? Jax is physically. Yeah, there's that wrinkle. Take the, take the, the, the. It's tough, because that's part of his persona.

I know, I know, I know, but, but, but, you know, season one Valley Jacks. Because now we know that he threw the Rosebushes and the tree trunk. I'll say this about Tamrat. She has to be a miserable person on the inside because how she makes a living and how she spends her time is one of the more evil and dark ways a human being should live, which is how much dirt can I dig up on someone so that I can ruin their life on TV?

She has got to be putting in at least 10 hours a week to that because she comes up and unearths so much shit about everyone. Keep in mind, she has people now that are super fans that will send her. Rap fucks. I can't even imagine, you know,

being this we used to see these people that were just obsessed with, you know, let's just call them, you know. Shmada, I'm come Schmola. You know, it's like these super fans that'll do anything. It's like, what are you doing? Are you talking about for us? these super fans that'll do anything. It's like, what are you doing?

Are you talking about for us? Yeah. Oh yeah. Do you have a family? What the fuck is wrong with you? Ruby, what do you think about Tamrat? I really think that she's not good. I think her soul is not good. And I think

she's gotten baptized. And that's still not good soul. I don't like her soul. I think it's bad. Now that's why I presented the question because Jax is a bad person and a drug. Well he has an anger problem. He doesn't have a drug problem. And he did throw Brittany into a rose bush and called her stomach a tree trunk. And threw a table at her and hit her with it while the child was in the home. That's all bad, but I really do think that Tamara's soul,

like her soul, may be more decrepit than Jack's. Because Jack's is just dumb. I was just gonna say, Tamara I think is a little bit smarter than Jack's, but what I will say is two things, and they're both really bad things to say. If Tamra were a guy, she'd 100% be a domestic abuser. I know that. And the moment that we had in the Valley, like last week or whenever that was, when

Brittany was like, why are you taking so long to sign these papers? Why would you wait till the last minute? He was like, just because I can't that I can feel from Tamra. And they're very alike. And that's it. It's just such a good question. I truly depends on the week. I don't know. Yeah. But they're both among the they're in the upper echelon to the worst people on Bravo. So watching OC is a little bit tough sometimes because Tamra brings such a dark energy to the show. But listen, we had Josh Flagg tonight. We

had Heather Debrow saying please God just make me whole. We had Katie's stuff. We had meatball selling homes to you know, you know, plus plus. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff on this episode. Yeah. How about that? That birthday party, the end of the birthday party, Shannon Bador having the most fun at the buffet.

Weiner cocktails. And I just, Terry, he can't stop himself. Yeah. You've been a multimillionaire for 25 years. Yeah. Why are you bragging about how much something costs? Yeah. Well, he's stunned out of his mind. That's true. He is a stoner. Yeah. Allegedly. No, he said he was. Oh, good. He's a drug addict. Yeah. Well, I mean, well, that's that's okay.

All right. And here are all the things I put on my plate. Now I'm going to eat them. I give this episode a hundred tits. That's a hundred tits. That is him attempting to be like a common man, which he is not, he's a demon. That was Shannon Bador. That was Shannon. Oh, sorry.

There's nothing, wow, what did she say? All this stuff is healthy. No, at one point I think she's like, and this is all, oh, well you're eating all the, I'm just going for all the fattening stuff. And he goes, well, this isn't fattening. And she goes, I'm gonna get a grilled cheese.

Yeah, I'm gonna take this. Yeah. Shannon doing canopy yoga or hammock yoga. Whatever that was. Yeah, I mean just incredible stuff. 100 tits. You know, I do, one issue I have with Shannon with Shannon badore when she thinks she's firing on all cylinders She's doing it Abbott and Costello and I don't like it. Yeah, I

Couldn't agree with you more Pat because the line is so fine between like When she's so funny, right? She doesn't understand that she's being funny and then she goes into the the to the abad and kiss telling you're like, I completely agree with you guys, because you could see the progression right in the beginning of the canopy of yoga. It was real. And then it started to get hammed up. That's right. Right. Anyways, I give it 100 tits Ruby, you're gonna give it 100 tits. Yeah. I okay, and Pat and I will be a little bit more reasonable

here. I, I thought it was strong. I thought that I love hearing about all the work that people get done. I love going to the doctors, especially when they're not like making people sad, Nia, Ernia's doctor, excuse me. Yeah. The veneers made me laugh.

Tamara is dark, but she forgets she's on a TV show sometimes. So when she says like, Matt was yelling at me and then he's like, hey, come on, Tamara. Like this is kind of crazy that you're doing it. I love that. It's amazing. The first gear of just pathology that she's in at all times, at all times.

And you know what? I would venture to say someone probably knows this better than I do. It might be Pat. Like has it gotten worse over the years or has she just always been that way I suspect She's probably been that way for a very long time. It's crazy. I don't think I've ever Literally ever heard her say something that wasn't

Some hyperbolic or fabricated ever no She's just a filthy Demon liar. Yeah, she's she's trash. Oh my god. Yeah. 82 tits. 82 tits. Wow. Okay. So I did like that meatball is doing well in the real estate vertical. She might start buying up some of those empty agency properties, you know? Yeah. Do it. Can you do a Mauricio? Call it Meatball Investments.

What? Can you do a Mauricio impression? No, I'm not. I can't. I wish I could. Yeah, me too. OK, I liked it. So I liked that part.

I also liked that Tamrat brought Joe and OG. You weren't watching the show back then. No one, I predicted that it was gonna be Joe that she brought. Gretchen is probably friendly with Joe. They have not been a thing in 20 years, okay? Clearly as you saw them see each other and greet each other when they entered.

But I did love the, because this was not planned Tamrat getting out of her car and going, Katie, Katie, how you doing? And then running over to Oh, I miss you, baby. And then Katie knowing completely that she's been behind the scenes trying to completely ruin her life. And then Matt, husband should never get into this he's another story but yes him confronting Tamrat and telling her like completely fine with him but we'll get I don't like him cuz he's there's something up with him

cuz he's with Katie Katie is sketchy as fuck she's also stunning she is beautiful fucking beautiful I know but guys she has a fucking kid that she doesn't raise on every continent on the planet Earth. If she leaves this idiot, she's going to have to fucking go to the moon to find another place to plant that kid. Well, I mean, she looks like an alien. So yeah, I mean.

I mean. Yeah. Darkseid, welcome Katie Janela. I'm not kidding though she's she truly she's one of she's one of the most beautiful people I think we've ever had on the franchise. Oh yeah you think so? How many tits? 14. Last we left off Katie Janela has illegally recorded Shannon storms B'Dor and this whole thing has been a waste of a good dress according to Katie now Meatball she storms out with Matt and Meatball wants to man things with Katie and she's really bummed that Katie is on the outs

with this group I Don't know what we can really say about there are many times throughout this episode where people feel remorse for Katie and it's tricky because she's she's concocted schemes and lied about every single person on this show so it's like what well what do you want these hyenas to do to her? Yeah I agree. I mean, it's bananas. But we have a guest arriving at this party. Tamara is heading over with Joe. And she is praying in the car with Joe and Joe ushers or

utters the prayer Dear God, thank you for bringing us together. It's amazing. The level of delusion you have to have to be piously going about Some of the most evil and corrupt behavior we've seen In a low-stakes way, right? I know Hitler existed right but for Tamara to pray as often as she does and be as disgusting and demonic as she is It's it's really quite a thing. Hitler was an atheist, wasn't he?

I think so. You know, Dale, you probably covered this, but I just want to point this out. So at this point in the episode, I want to say that Gretchen and Jen and Katie, who have nothing else in common, but have a common thing, which is that they hate Tamrat. Tamrat has been the source of all their misery. Yeah. Right? Because Jen is dating a con artist, right? She doesn't have anything to do with anybody. Katie, as I've mentioned, has every continent on the planet. She is a con artist. Yeah. Gretchen's makeup artist is clearly blind or seeing impaired. Yeah.

But they all despise Tamra. Or just doesn't have hands. Yeah. Yeah. Like one of those like mouth people with the mouth, they use their mouth maybe. Or they use their butt. But can I say... When I wrote this joke, I was drunk about the makeup thing.

Okay. Why did I say that about her? Did she look bad? Because it looks like she's... There's... My... Yeah. makeup thing. Why did I say that about her? Did she look bad? It looks like she's there. Yeah. My question for the two of you, I was actually at here is. When you guys look at her face, do you feel scared?

No, can I tell you what I feel? I feel exhaustion. I think of how long that must take. And I'm exhausted. To think about every single day having an hour or two on either side of that to put on and take. Welcome to being a woman. Welcome to being Gretchen. Okay, I don't know that it's. There's a level though of like,

at one point in the episode, Jen is like Orange County, you have to like get your boobs done, get a tummy tuck, have a spray tan and veneers like right it beautiful. He agreed. There's also though another tier, I think and I think Gretchen has then taken that tier and she's gone for Oh, oh, Ruby started cracking up on the zooms there. Very it's it's interesting. She's back. Okay so I want to say something though as Joe and Tamrat are headed over we have Katie

deciding to leave and that's when Heather DeBrow who's always caring about cast members and where they're at. My god. Ask her what's up with the hot dog wiener in her throat. Now if you are a fan of ol' Patty the podcast, you know that I hate hot dogs. I hate hot dog breath. It's worse than red wine breath. And I've been a victim of that. I hate hot dogs. I hate hot dog breath. Those are two bad breaths.

Yeah. The hot dog wiener one is it smells like vinegar in a pig's sad balls. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Oh my gosh. It smells like hot in a pig sad balls. You know? Yeah, yeah. Totally. Oh my gosh. It smells like hot smushed meat. Red wine does something odd to the back of the mouth. It ferments back there again.

I wanna, this is a warning for everybody out there that's a red wine fan. Yeah. Be conscious. Definitely. When you're sipping down your second glass of red wine, whoever you're talking to that's in front of you, they're gonna feel that.

And I would say if you're a drunk, just bring gum. Or Listerine strips, it's more, you know, clandestine and powerful, I would say. Really quickly before we move on, you know, Gretchen does look like, you know those videos where they put a pattern across the water and they dip like a guitar in it or a shot and that's what her her routine looks like. But I will say I really do think that let's show

her I don't know her that well. I remember her when she was younger on past seasons. She seems lovely in comparison. And I think that Slade going through what he went through and still being as cheery as he is. I don't know what you're referring to the death of his son. Yeah, I don't know what would happen to me if that happened to me. So Slade banged half the cast the first two seasons. Bad guy? Well, he was in the real estate game during the financial implosion.

He was one of those mortgage people. A lot of Nina loans. Yeah. So can I just say something? And this is what you just did with mentioning the death of his son, I believe Grayson and may he rest in peace. I had forgotten that he had passed away.

What just happened to me was when I pointed out that Nicole was a doctor. And so now this just like doesn't really work anymore. Sure, sure, sure. When he was on the show before he like because he was like pretty wealthy and he would talk about how in his ITMs he was like I mean I think I made my first million before I was five he was like you look at me I'm in sales I look like this I live behind the gates he was a he was a person that you and I would have hoped would have gotten run over by a

car violently by a game one of the early early scenes of and it's what was the foundation the base that got people watching the show were things like him buying a $70,000 chandelier with his 22 year old girlfriend Joe. Okay yeah now um little background on Joe, Dill I think you know where she visited last season just for a moment she left the show to pursue a pop star career in LA. just for a moment. She left the show to pursue a pop star career in LA. You know her, right? Is that Dua Lipa? Is she Dua Lipa?

Never manifested. Never manifested. Oh shit. You know, I miss the scenes where Sheena Shay is taking up studio space. I love those scenes. Oh, some bad news for Dylan and I. Season three of The Valley green lighted.

Jack's out. Sheena in as a main cast member. Yeah, no. Yes. And the Jack sign was taken down. A guy did an Instagram video. One of our the guy who owns the salon next to Jack's came out and did a video of the sign being taken down. He's like, thank God. Yeah. Are you being serious? She's actually a main cast member? Yeah, it was in people. Oh my god. God damn, man. You know, sometimes people levy the accusation that we're mean. And I would say, yeah. Yeah. I would also say, And I would say, yeah. Yeah.

I would also say, if your job was talking about Cheena Shay, would you not be a little mean? It's like, what would the best of us do? Resort to insanity. That's what the best of us would do. You know what I'm gonna propose? I'm gonna propose this for all of the, because I lost you guys for a little bit there there but I believe that you said that people were

levying that we were mean talking about dear old Gina Shay here's what I'll propose to you you leviers hmm we'll try to do an episode where we only speak kindly I would love that that would be fun that's like the Marvel Universe now that would be like we are in a different dimension. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wouldn't make sense to anybody. Yeah. Who is that guy? Dr. Oz? What's his name?

Benedict Cumberb? I hate those movies. So bad. All right, so Tamara heads in while Matt and Katie are heading out. And Tamara says, I don't know why you're being so intense and angry at me right now. I've been nothing but nice to you.

And Katie says, you called me a cunt last season. The name calling seems to be more important to these women than the defamation of character. C-U-N-T is a tough word. It really triggers a woman, the C-U-N-T. I agree. I think it depends on the woman. But again, the libel and the defamation is

much worse, I think. I want to give some advice to Matt, who I don't like because he's got to, something's got to be there. You're married to Katie. If you love your wife and you don't want to have to move to the moon to raise your son after she divorces you, get off this show. Get her off this show. Yeah, you think? Yes. I don't know. I think she I agree

with that. I agree with that. They shouldn't be on the show because they should stay together because she's too hot. Well, Tamara heads in with Slade's ex. Oh, sorry, one thing. So they have their little fight here. And Ruby, I'm curious of your thoughts on this. As I was weighing in as just an outsider looking in at them going back and forth, it was definitely an expert versus an amateur. It's a minor league versus major league. Tamrat lives the thug life. And you don't you don't come into her world at 42 and think you're going to master this. Yeah. Now you're so I, I agree. I agree.

There's a scene in Carlito's way. Have you ever seen that movie? Sean Penn plays a lawyer who then thinks he's going to turn a gangster. And then Carlito tells him, you don't come into this world at later on and become a fucking thug.

We live the thug lives. Tamara lives. Tamara's about that shit. That's right. She invented it. Yeah, the only way to We live the thug life. Tamara lives, Tamara's about that shit. That's right. She invented it. Yeah, the only way to defeat Tamara is to, I don't know, get Trump to conscript her and send her to the Ukraine or something.

I don't know. I mean, you know, the amount of times that she's referenced, like when she sees the house of Gina, she makes another reference, I I think to some tournament or something with Eddie not being there. Pat? You're right. What is he right about? Have you seen Eddie this season? Are they gonna get divorced? I think they're living separate lives and she needs a storyline. Okay so Terry's baked out of his mind. They walk in with Joe, it doesn't do anything to Terry or to Gretchen. I do want to give Terry some stuff here. He looks like his fucking face is falling off. I fucking hate this guy. By the way, get yourself straight in the Facebook group. I didn't say I hated Heather McDonald. I hate Heather Dubrow. I hate Heather DeBrow. People are conflating. So Terry's baked out of his mind. I love baked Terry, but he is a little delusional.

He goes, you know, maybe Tamara's changed. She's probably, maybe she's changed. She's in therapy. The DeBros really do this pincer maneuver on Tamra, where Heather asks them, I think it's later on in the episode, or it might be right here when, oh yeah, Heather, she goes, you can't just throw people out because they're damaged. Depends on what kind of damage. Discover the exciting action of Ben MGM Casino. Check out a wide variety of table games with a live dealer, Depends on what kind of damage. Only please gamble responsibly if you have questions or concerns about gambling or someone close to you Please contact Connx Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge

Ben MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario Also Heather you throw people out who are perfectly Not damaged have never been open Do you know how many people Heather DeRoe is thrown out of her house? Yeah, and and get out let's talk. She tried to throw someone out of a restaurant that she didn't own once. She told Kelly whatever her fuck was, get out. She's like, ah, you don't own this place.

I'll say it again. I miss Kelly Dodd. I think in the post-Trump world, this show could have Kelly Dodd back on. I agree. And a lot of people hate her, though. I know. I know.

She was. A lot of people hate a lot of people. A lot of people hate her though. I know, I know. She was- A lot of people hate a lot of people. They'll, a lot of people also love a lot of people. You know, world's about balance. I wanna say that- Did she say that she was disgusted by black people or something though? Did she?

I think she got fired for being a racist pig. She's obviously a, she's a pig-ish, despicable, horrific person, but she's incredible. Oh yeah. And she makes Heather DeBrow uncomfortable. Yeah. I think Heather threatened to quit the show if she wasn't off the show. You know, Kelly Dodd reminds me a lot like Cirque du Soleil. There's just that you cannot negotiate with that kind of terrorist. You're just going to lose every time. What, are you gonna look away? Yeah.

Okay, so Tam, I wanna talk about throwing damaged people out of your lives real quick. This kind of, this pseudo compassion that is complete bullshit from Debreu, it just makes no sense. So would you categorize a schizophrenic person as maybe damaged? I'd open up my thesaurus and find it more politely.

What about somebody with borderline personality disorder? Ruby, why don't you weigh in here? I mean, yeah, my brain's fucking damaged. Yeah, both of those people have damaged brains. Yeah, so if somebody's like acting all fucked up and evil and stuff, but they're damaged, what are you gonna be like, uh, if if somebody's like act and all fucked up and evil and stuff, but they're damaged, what are you going to be like? Oh, it's okay. You can keep doing horrible things. Well, haven't we kind of damage like and they get the fuck out of isn't that the basis? Sorry to make this political for why we let a

bunch of fucking homeless people do drugs on the streets. Our cities have decided that something happened to them getting very, very political. So I was just going to say it's like the Ted Ted Bundys or maybe whatever, like the serial killer thing. It's like everybody constantly either says like they were either too spoiled or they weren't loved enough. Well, a lot of people were too spoiled and were unloved enough. That's every-

Not all those fucking people. Yeah, so you guys are damaged. We don't all have freaking plastic drums of body parts and fucking lie in our apartments, right? Watch the auditions of The Voice or American Idol. Every fucking person's got a sob story. Yeah. My Grammy died.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Miss me with the bullshit. I would sooner run over Tamara with my car than freaking be nice to her. OK, Heather gives a speech. Oh. Oh, yeah, that was beautiful. And the chiron under the speech said I don't I don't was $88,000. I don't mean like run her over. Like now

terminally. I just mean like, like a bump and you know, like somebody's, you know, blocking the way we know what you're saying there. All right, this party was 15,000 at the most, it should have been called tacky and dated. Well, my question was, and we learned recently of a kind of per capita breakdown of a party on the valley, that being Jesse's $150,000 party for 52 people, were there 18 people at this party?

There was no one there. So there were 18 people here. That was more awkward than Tamara thinking that she was gonna like eat when she arrived with Joe and Gretchen being like, Oh, hey, Joe, good to see you. Yeah, whatever. Are you gonna buy that purse that I ran into you at that store last week? No, you didn't buy it. Oh, okay.

Oh, I like your dress. Anyways, that that was the that was the interaction. I think the only other thing that was more awkward was the fact that this was lit like an office and there were four people there. So that was not good. It was lit like a trader. So I always talk about my reality show that never aired. I was asked to produce one time, they did this bullshit where they go, all right, we need some people in the background.

So they hired extras for the day and they put them behind us in the scene like it's a busy like a sidewalk, right and so I Asked the producers we later use those same extras to put in the background on one of the tour buses during a different scene and I said Aren't people they're watching this gonna recognize those same people? And he said, nah. I said, no, I think they will. You know, it's so funny.

I was talking to, I was doing a pre interview with a guest on another podcast the other day and he said that he was in this movie over the top, right? When he was a kid and he was just in Las Vegas with Sylvester Stallone. Okay. So he was a kid in Las Vegas and one of the 80s saw him they were like hey we need do you want to be in this movie you want to be in the background they're like sure and they go okay go over there stand by that tourism booth in the hotel and just pick up the pamphlets and look at them and I was thinking about what a ridiculous

site that is just two children planning the itinerary for the day, but these people don't care. They're just like fuck it. Nobody's fucking paid. I mean All right, let's get to meatball and Zen master They've launched their own team the gated group. That is a very good name. Nothing says no pours like a gate a gate, you know We talked about Travis's balls.. Um let's do this real quick. If his balls are the size of Fuji apples, let's go to a doctor. If they're not, let's shut the fuck up about it, right? But but I want to reiterate, if they're actually Fujis, we've got to go now. Okay. And also, I'm actually so happy for them. I was like very $10 million. I

was like, Whoa, Gina, okay. So I did the math on the commission. That's if her and Travis are, you know, double dip in there. That's 600 grand in a year. I think that's great. And to be fair, as we all know, this was something she picked out of her butthole and she said, I'm gonna go I'm gonna dedicate myself to it. Good for me. So it's amazing to watch all these fucking boomers walk in.

Oh, boomers. Yeah. Meanwhile, Jen and Ryan visit that veneers dentist, right? Are we okay to move on there, Dale? Yeah. Okay. So Jen gives us the must haves to live in Orange County. Yes. fake tits, spray tan, hot body and then fake white teeth. Now I have to say this because I've seen a lot of people walking around. There's a guy that doesn't podcast in here his teeth are a little too white for my liking. It's there's nothing

more odd than seeing a 73 year old dude whose face is texture looks like grout, and his teeth are wider than printer paper. You know what I mean? It's a odd visual. Why do you why does your smile come with an organ? You know? It's weird. Oh, that was it was on sale. So we had to get that one. Yeah. That's like undercover cops, they say, that one of the hardest things to hide is nice teeth

because if you're trying to be like an undercover weird zombie. Like being a drug addict, yeah. Yep. Why are your teeth still there? I'm gonna watch the departed tonight. Can you hand me that crack bowl? Hey, Ted, why do you have all your teeth? Me and Tina, we only have two. Yeah we only have two.

Okay, careful. Quick question though, or point of clarification. I would like to say Jen's teeth before when they showed that picture were lovely. Like oh my, they were great. It's amazing to see people who are $100,000 in the hole spend 20,000 more dollars that they don't have on things they don't need. Wait, if they think great teeth is what's going to propel them into the top. Well, really quickly, we bounce back and forth. But Tamara rehashes the the Jen asking her to meet. And she's like, Jen

came up to me, it was like, we need to sit down I need to say some things and it's like nope not at all how that went not at all how that went you're an absolute oh god she's just such a bitch so meatball drops the who's the inspo for who debacle and we get we get moving on well I was gonna say can we at least so this is Jen and Ryan discussing Tamrat Jen is gonna confront Tamrat did you just bring this up by the way kind of okay because she's jealous and at some point she wanted Ryan I don't know how much truth is to that. What I will say is I can, I can 100% see and hear the two of them working out at the gym and Tamara when she thinks that this is her friend being like, Oh, he's super hot.

I'd fuck him. And then I can see that. And then her being like, I've literally never fucking seen that guy in my life. You are lying to me, Jen. You are lying to my face. OK, well, I just want to touch on something that Ruby had brought up. Where's Eddie?

It's like, where's Waldo? Here's Patty's prediction. And I have been on the money multiple times. What season are we on now? You're the Miss Cleo of divorce. Thank you. This is season 19, right? Or is this season 20?

19. Because Tamrat said she wanted to make it. Okay. Season 21, Tamrat and Eddie are separated and that's the divorce. You know what would make me, I mean, listen, that's just going to sound mean, but you know how they do those documentaries where they go underground into the tunnels of Las Vegas? What if in a decade, you're talking about where the homeless people are? Yeah, what if in a decade, we just Tamra pops up? She's been living underground for a while. I mean, wouldn't that be great? I think she's got enough money to live to at

least 80. She's also and I mean this lovingly, this is, you know, 50% of my family. She came from trailer trash. She will thrive if she, God forbid, has to go back there. She'll be fine. You know? No, that's a good point. We want to see her succeed, don't we? OK, let's get to the DeBrow house.

We're co-listing with Flag and Altman. Heather has got a bloated budget, a ULA mansion tax, and she is trying to break even on this home. And she's got the Josh's on this. And here's the secret wisdom. I've mentioned this before. If you watch millionaire listing, secret wisdom of the Josh's sell a house. They list a price, get this, and if it doesn't sell, they tell the owners they need to reduce the price. Whoa.

Yeah. That works? Yeah, I mean, they tried another tactic, which is they'd hire fire dancers and give free mimosas away, but that didn't move the properties. It turns out reducing the price gets some movement.

I am confused about whether or not this is a tough job. It is not. The only tough part is being bored and making small talk. Yeah, I think that the most difficult part of this job and you work on the weekend is probably getting the network because you can't just go start selling these homes but once you schmooze enough to get the network I mean it's got to be just printing money yeah I mean I have to be honest it is not I do think it required I think a lot of people think that it is which is why everyone's like I'm hot I can make small talk I'm was a model I'm gonna be a real agent. I have a lot of high net worth individuals in my life.

Okay, go for it. It's much harder than you think. And I do think it's one of those things. And what's hard about it? Like truly, like when you go and look at properties and you have people who have been doing this for 20 years that can speak to you about like the way that like, there's a difference between. Oh, right. You need to be about like the way that, like there's a difference between. You need to be armed with the language. Yeah. Yeah, and the feel, it's like going to buy, I would imagine it would be like when you go to buy a car

from Jax Taylor in eight-ish years in either Florida or Texas, versus when you go to buy a car from Arthur, Dan on Van Nuys who's been there for, he had a piece of hiring next week. It's been 25 years. it getting a car from Larry David He says the GTS tent stands for guaranteed tremendous safety. Okay, you know and that's wrong Here's what I'm gonna say and I never say this. I know I'm not gonna

insult any listeners by saying Real estate agents are some of the dumbest people I've ever met in my life because they're so dumb They would not get this content. Real estate agents are... Ruby wants to be a real estate agent one day. No, she does. She would be a good one too. I just gather my real estate license in every state that I ever go to and live in

so that I can hopefully capitalize on it one day. I think it's in... Also because I want to buy and sell myself the properties. Big hack. Then I rescind anything that just came out of my mouth. I think it's in also because I want to buy and sell myself the properties big hack then I Resend anything that just came out of my mouth. No, no, no, there are exceptions to every rule, but I'm just yeah, go ahead No, keep cooking keep cooking Some of them are also like I don't think that me and Matt James from the Bachelor have the same level of intellect I hope that you think I'm smarter than him. A lot of them are smart. A lot of them are fucking.

Today we're in Arizona eating some of the fluffiest pancakes you've ever had. OK. It attracts idiots that are con people and just creatures that are otherwise unemployable. Case in point, this was 10 years ago. An actor, I will not say his name, he's famous. Richard Gere.

No. Matthew McConaughey. I went over there and helped with his water feature He's selling the house. He says this is I don't know her fucking name is Nancy or something like that She's like does the electrical work and I said, uh, I Don't know but the gigantic waterfall in this person's house works. Okay She goes, So does the electrical work or not? I'm not an electrician. But on my

end, it's covered. So when you plug it in, when you get an electrician, it'll work. I don't understand what you're saying to me right now. Okay, she has the contractor call me and he goes, What's up? Nancy said this and I said, Nancy's a fucking nitwit. It was her husband. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, he would know better than you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What kind of what fucking crew neck bullshit is that? Did you take my petite trot sweater?

Okay, first of all, you can go fuck yourself. This is a sweatshirt from a lovely coffee shop in Portland, Maine called a Tandem bike and it's actually it's one make sure you're not stealing my shit Not anymore Okay, let's get to the house where we're gonna sell this house. And my favorite part about this was Heather slowly after how long have they been building this house? Three years? Four years? Something like that.

Paying the mortgage every month, having to pay the property tax on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She goes, you know, it's just it doesn't make sense for our family. Ah! What do you mean? Did it make sense?

Who could have fucking figured that a half a decade reno when your kids are in their middle teens might not be the best thing to sink your time and money into my god. The commitment to being better than other people is a lot. It distracts you sometimes from common sense if you know these two These two assholes. There's probably a tax reason that they fucking held this property Yeah, so Tamara heads into Daria's room Daria is going to be going to community college and then to the Musicians Institute That's that's what you call I I wouldn't go the Musicians Institute, or you can light money on fire, I would say

that's a bit of a lateral maneuver. And also, the CC is not a prerequisite to the MI, you can just go to the MI. I think it's a, you know, she wants general education. I understand that. But you don't need general education. If you're if you're convicted about music, okay? What are you going to do, Daria? You're going to go sit in a fucking world history class or an algebra class? Come on.

Well, here's what I'd say. I went to the Musicians Institute after I graduated college. I got a recording degree there. I left early because I was smarter than everybody. I went and got a job at a recording studio. Six months later, I'm interviewing my teachers from the Musicians Institute to hire them to work at a recording studio.

Do not go there. Take that money. Patrick is the Heather DeBrow of this podcast, I would say. I was gonna say, wait, but Pat, really quickly, take your champs. Do you think, and maybe I should ask Dylan this, cause I don't know shit about music shit, but you guys are both Dylan,

I know he was very, very talented when he was younger. I don't know. You're obviously very good at music. Are you the exception to the rule? Like is Daria that good? Or would Daria not be smarter than all of the rest of us? Daria can use her money and time better than showing up at. Okay.

I would say the MI is a little bit like the Trump University of the music schools. So so you know, there's Berkeley, which is, you know, the Harvard of music schools and Juilliard. And then there's Cal Arts and stuff like that. For the money she would spend at the Musicians Institute, she could take private guitar lessons from Eddie Van Halen, although he's dead. He's dead. But if he wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's dead. But if he wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's dead, though. And then I would say the newfangled kids with parents that have obscene amounts of money go to USC so they can learn how to do logic. All right, so let's get to another curtain-holding. Alt-Weltness brick and mortar. It's hammock workouts.

And Shannon Madore, I mean, what can you say she has the body function of a baby goat and is actually has the the vocal quality of a baby goat as well. Go ahead ribs. I was going to say and Dylan knows this about me and I'm trying to work on this actively as a person. You arrive to something like a workout class this late, you do not enter. You leave, you eat the 48-pound. You are... No, no, no, no, no, no. You arrive to a movie. You're anything... I'm blown away by the movie people. The movie people. I mean, I've seen 40 minutes. It's annoying. It's very distracting. I mean, I've seen 40 minutes.

It's annoying. It's very distracting. How do you even know what's going on? So... You're here for the dark room in the popcorn. Honey, we're 40 minutes late. Don't worry, I'm going to look it up on Wikipedia. I'll read the plot. Does she die or not? I hate you.

Oh. Yeah, she was alive at the beginning, by the way, and she's a witch. Big movie weekend for me. I'm so excited. Oh, what are you doing? I'm going to go see Eddington. Yeah. Sunday. They're finally dropping that fucking kid off at Grammy's house and having a day. Well, Grammy is going to come to our house and look over, look over Lucy. I'm going to I'm going to I can't wait.

You know, I called the Alamo. They said we only have it till Thursday. I looked at my wife and said, I mean, I'm getting out of the house. It's not a round of golf. So I'm getting out of that. All right. All right. Let's move. I'm sorry. Because because we have blow deck after this. Yes, we do. So out of 445. What? We have an hour, dude. We're fine. No, we have 45 minutes. Yes. 44. Let's go. Yeah, we're fine. We're at

lunch. Don't worry about it. Okay, we're not going to be done at 445. No, we were're not gonna be done at 445. We won't. No, we're not gonna be done at 445. Alright, so back to the sheets. The amount of... we talked about Gretchen's makeup. It's so... what a commitment. She only hires blind people. So, did you meet up with Kiki Monique? Okay, so we head to the Milligram Coffee House and Heather and Meatball are asking Katie if she met up with the journalist known as Kiki Monique. Okay, and evidently she told her something so disgusting that Tamara cannot even repeat it. Now what is to come of this I'm not sure. I feel like it'll be a climactic

thing at the end of the season and it'll probably culminate and Katie actually did going to cool journalist Kiki Monique and Tamara being kind of right about that. Yeah she knows all. Yeah. I do want to bounce back to the Ariel curtain holding place. There's a point where they put down tarot cards on the floor. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Let me say this about this business. And I hate to be hard on small businesses,

but this venture is going to close faster than a husband's laptop when there's dwarf porn on it. His wife comes to him. You know? That's a long joke. No, no, no, no, no. It's incredibly important to, one, do that thing only in private.

I mean, if you're looking at dwarf porn, you need to geolocate your wife 200 miles away. I was gonna say, that's the type of thing that you do when they've called you from southern Georgia because they've landed at Grammys. So now you can look at the dwarf porn. But if we're going out to Gelson's, let's be patient. And know that despite it being a powerful siren song, you cannot.

No. OK, let's get to the dinner. Tamara starts with their point. No, I need to, no, we're not at the dinner yet. This is what I have to say. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We get the little stupid run around where we go to everybody's house before.

Dylan will think I'm crazy, Pat, I don't know what you think. Parents who think it's okay to let their younger children confuse their dogs. Right. Fuck you, Emily. Wait, what do you mean, confuse their dogs? So for the dog doesn What do you mean? If confuse their dogs. So so for the dog doesn't understand that when when the child is holding it,

that it's it's like, oh, I want to cross the street. I'm going to fucking cross the street. This is sick. I'm on the leash. I'm going to walk. I get across the street. When Emily's holding it, it's on the sidewalk. It's doing its job. You can't do that to your dog. It's fun for your kids. So so don't be don't be a bad dog owner. And it's very, very triggering.

So aside from that though, yeah, we're at the dinner. And also I might eat these words, but I think, and I'm sorry, Pat, we can punch each other later. I think I love Katie's husband. I think I might love him. I'm sorry. I think I love him too. You can't have two people that are that different.

Katie is a sketchy bitch. What do you have, Pat? And I'm being genuine because I agree with you. She's the most beautiful, sketchy bitch I've ever seen. Why? I don't think Matt is dumb. Like I don't think, and I don't think Katie's like a siren that was like, Ooh, you know, so what's going on there? Well, I'd have a couple of questions and forgive me for, I guess, some female listeners that may have had their children raised by the baby daddy. Katie doesn't have one kid that's being raised by a baby daddy. She has three.

She has a sketchy past where she was quote unquote homeless. She also alleged a false police report in which she was actually the person that did the crime and had a civil action against her. She's a sketchy bitch. She's a fucking sketchy bitch. And if we're on the third date, I go, Katie, I'm sorry, I'm having such a great time.

Yes, more and more low, please. You want more low. So your second kid is, where's your second kid live? Oh, he lives in San Diego, but that's not the first kid. Oh, that one lives in South Carolina. Weird that Matt got over all. He got over that. It's odd. It's odd. It's all right. Dr. Drew would say it takes a lot for a woman to not raise her own kid.

It just goes against everything evolutionary wise. Guys, shit out kids and fucking move to Florida and never make up. My favorite things that we do on this podcast and I say we, but it's really just Pat is, is bringing the expert witness of Dr. Drew in. He did host celebrity rehab and to be fair to him, only half the cast died of a drug overdose. All right. So this dinner Tamra starts with with there are plenty of other things I'd rather be

doing which is a good start. Jen sits down and says listen we've had some some issues you said the FBI raided my home to which Tamra responds, you're the only one who can say bad things. Now we have a lot of people who work in therapy and in mental health. Yeah, I'm very confused by what Tamret is because there is no penetration that could ever be made. I mean, there's no drill bit that can land any confession of harm. There's no there. There is nothing that you can say to this woman now that will be heard or felt in any way. She's almost sociopathic. Now, Jen, do you think she's naive in that she thinks that she can make a breakthrough with this person by basically saying you're a horrible person?

No, I think she just wanted to have a scene. Jen did. Yeah, I think there was this was just like an episode four kind of scene. I know Jen cheated on her husband and that's not good. But we don't know what people's lives are marriages are this the grin that crawls like a caterpillar across this fucking demon's face when she's in her talking heads. She's just such a horrible person. So this is what I have to say.

And I this is bolded in my notes. Tamara is so dark and fucking evil and a horrible bitch. I love watching her act this way on national television because this is what is for forever. So regardless of like everyone watching her do this. And also, I don't think that Jen last season, maybe she was like, this is like really sad. Like we were friends. Like, let's reason. Now she's like, no, I hate you. Yeah. And it's crazy because Tamara doesn't like all of the hate that she gets online, yet

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