Are You A Charlotte? - Secret Sex with Shmuel (aka Glenn Fleshler)...

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

We continue our look back at Season 1—this time with Charlotte's secret lover, Shmuel, portrayed by Glenn Fleshler. He shares what it was like to go to work and make out with Kristin Davis.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Check it out for yourself by searching for Therapy Gecko on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? Hello everybody and welcome to Are You a Charlotte? I have a very special guest today. This is Glenn Fleschler and he played Shmuel. You guys, it's so exciting to talk to Glenn. He was in episode 106, Secret Sex. This is the first season and I haven't seen him in person in many, many, many years, but I have seen his work so many times. And he's currently starring

with George Clooney on Broadway in Good Night and Good Luck. So he took time on his day off to talk to us. And here is the lovely Glenn Fleschler. Glenn Fleschler is here, I'm so excited. Thank you for joining us. It's an honor and a trip. It is a trip, right?

You know what is so funny to me about you is that obviously we worked together on the show Sex the City first season. Wait, what was the one called that he's in? Secret Sex. Secret Sex, that's right. And I mean that was really early in the show and you had your whole costume on, you know, but ever since then you've been working so much and And I'd be watching something, I'd be like, that looks like that guy. And I'd be watching something, I'd be like, that looks like that guy.

But like in my mind, you kind of were Shmuel. You know what I mean? The character, right? So then, and you play like these heavies, like you play like so many different, like really like intense guys, right? I'm like, am I crazy or is that that guy? That terrible guy doing those terrible things. I know you do so many bad things but those are

fun parts right? They are they are yeah. Yeah well I'm so happy for all of your success and I'm so happy that we were your first job. Not my first job but my first TV show. I think my first TV show. There you go. So help me remind me of tell me where you were at and what it was like to get cast in the show. Well I went to acting school at NYU and found myself very in debt and trying to work my way out of that by doing off-broadway shows and regional theater which is a fool's errand., I did that too. So hard. Yeah But I loved it But I really just you know had no idea how I was gonna go for it

And I always loved film and television But everyone said, you know, you have to go to LA if you want to do that and I Resisted that notion being a native New Yorker, right and there wasn't really too much I mean HBO was just starting to do some things in New York and Law and Order had just kind of fired up their franchises and there were a few things and some indie films. So the weird thing is, you know, it's weird to say this to you because very few people have played one character for 30 years or something. I know, it's a shock.

You guys and Mariska. Totally, totally. We's a shock, yes. It's like you guys and Mariska. Totally, totally, we're a very lucky group. But as a character actor, you know, you kind of want to do different things. That's sort of the fun of doing it. But I've noticed in my career that you get, you go through these little mini runs where it's like,

oh, now I'm playing all these killers or now I'm playing these like tough attorneys or and that year that I met you, it was Hasidic Jews. I played one off Broadway and I played one in a movie. Oh, with with Renee Zellweger. Yes, with Renee Zellweger. Yes, I saw that and I was like, there he is! Who just returned to my life a few days ago. She came to see my show actually. Aww, that's so nice. She's so sweet. But, yeah, I did this Miramax movie. But then I had my own beard and my own hair.

Right. And then that summer I shaved my head for the first time, which I wore my head for the first time, which I wore my head shaved for several years, but a director first asked me to shave my head for a role in a play I was doing, and I got the audition for Sex and the City. And I had, it also was kind of seminal

because I realized through this job that I needed to get a new agent, because the head of the agency, who never really dealt with me very much, but she called me with this audition. This is Sex and the City, you know, it's this new show, Darren Starr, blah, blah, blah, just Sarah Jessica.

And I said, well, I played, you know, that other Hasidic Jewish character, but now my head shaved. And she said, you should bring pictures from the movie. You'll give your right arm. It's television, you know. Wow. And I just thought, that's not the way

I wanna approach my career. Totally, totally. And I didn't do any of that. I simply went to the audition thinking, there's no, I think I had a goatee and a shaved head. And I thought, there's no way in hell they're gonna cast me. I think it was a goatee and a shaved head, and I thought there's no way in hell they're gonna cast me. I think it was Michael Patrick King, maybe just him.

I don't remember. I don't remember if I went in once or twice, but I just did a very simple audition, and I got the role. I was so shocked. So they built me all that stuff, the beard, the payus, and the wig. And you were the only person that I did not meet

in the makeup trailer. So when you say that- Where was I? I don't know. I actually was at the, I was in the cafeteria, wherever you ate. Right, right. And I ate a meal, and I saw all of you across the room,

and I knew who all the other three women were and I knew that you had been on Melrose Place but I didn't know your work, forgive me. That's quite a lot. So I saw you, I think your hair was like in curlers. Oh yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, interesting. So I spied you from across the room and I said, okay, this is gonna be fun.

Oh thank God, oh I'm so glad. I was like, all right, you know, basically my first TV job was like having to make out with you and smoke cigarettes all night. And that's basically why I like in bed afterwards. Yeah, in Williamsburg. I was like, you know, I don't mind getting paid for that, honestly.

Oh, that's nice. So it was good. I remember the look on your face because I think I had talked to the other women and they welcomed me to the show and all of that. And of course the show hadn't aired so nobody knew what it was. And I remember walking on set

and you didn't see me until I was all done up with all this hair. And I remember the fearful look in your eyes. And I just walked right up to you and said, look, I'm the love of your life and I don't wanna hear anything about it or something like that. Well, good on you.

We had a fun time as I recall. We totally had a fun time. You were my absolute favorite of the entire first season. I didn't even really remember the second season. So I'm just gonna go with favorite of first and second season because you were very present. I just remember you being very present, which is why when I would see you later in your career,

I'd be like, yes, that guy, he was so good. He was so good. Because in the beginning, because no one knew what we were, what we were doing, including kind of ourselves, right? In terms of Charlotte, she was very underwritten in the beginning. We were just kind of finding her. And I was just trying to, you know, like pull it off because I certainly was not one of these

Manhattan women in any way. Like kind of nervously, you know, just doing whatever they wrote for me weeks a week which was kind of wild. Like it would be all over the place, you know, and I was supposed to be the prude yet I was really quite adventurous I would say. And I lovedude, yet I was really quite adventurous, I would say. And I loved the storyline because it was such a, you know, it was like it's little world unto itself, right? And we went to Williamsburg, which back then was like, I had never been to Williamsburg. It wasn't cool and hip like it is now.

I always thought we were in Silver Cup, but I don't... Oh, we could have been, we could have been. I mean, I remember how I walked down the streets. I don't know, you probably haven't watched it. I just recently rewatched it, you know, for the podcast. I walked down the street, so maybe I was there without you. And probably, so if we were in the cafeteria, that's like on one floor of Silver Cup,

and then our dressing rooms were down on the... I also remember, I don't know if I came another day to do a fitting or something, but I remember at some point being at Silver Cup and they were like, do you wanna come in and say hi to Michael, who was, I think, directing our episode? And I said, sure, and I walked onto set,

and again, hadn't done television, and I think there was a kickboxing scene going on. Oh yeah, yeah, Miranda, yeah. A little set that they'd made, and it was so tiny, and that blew my mind, because I was like, I bet on TV this looks like a normal gym, but it was like such a tiny little set that they'd made and it was so tiny. And that blew my mind, cause I was like, I bet on TV this looks like a normal gym, but it was like such a tiny little set that they made for this little workout scene or whatever it was.

Well, also we just didn't really have budget in the beginning, you know? So like we must have, I thought we, I thought that the loft that, you know, you're like artist loft or whatever, I thought was actually in Williamsburg because I remember going to Williamsburg because there's a little shop where I'm walking down the street and I remember being there because at

some point they found out that we were filming there that we've gotten a permit and they ran us off they were bit basically like get out you know because they didn't know a what we were and B were named sex in the city which is a problem that happened in the Renee Zellweger movie also. We had a lot of trouble. Wow. Wow. Different times.

They didn't even know what the movie was, but they were assuming. And yeah, there was a lot of stuff in the newspapers about our shoot. Wow. Wow. So, but I hadn't remembered, I do know that like, either we built the loft in Silver Cup,

or we were in some other place in Manhattan, because sometimes we'd like cross purpose, because we didn't have enough money to really get like locations, you know, for each thing. I always picture it at Silver Cup, but I could totally be wrong. Right, I mean, we were there a lot, and we would build all kinds of crazy things,

like the boxing studio and yoga and this and that. But yeah, it is funny to think back on how small and underwhelming our beginnings were in production-wise. Like, funny considering where we are now. Yes. Which is a good thing. So it was a positive experience. Absolutely.

It's funny to me, I was very tickled to be asked and I was excited to see you again after all these years. And I'm so just impressed with where this is all gone for you. And I listened to some of your early podcasts. And it was great for me to learn your journey a little bit because I don't know the show very well. So that's why I was sort of like, I don't really know Sex and the City,

and I'm coming on this podcast. But the weird thing is that it has had such, cast such a huge shadow. I don't know if that's the right metaphor, but it's had such a long reach in my career. And for years, particularly when I hadn't done a lot of film and television, I would go around the country doing plays

and Sex and the City would be in my bio and there wasn't much else as far as film and television and women would come up to me, I mean this is like all over the country, wherever I was working. People would wanna talk about that and they'd come up to me and say things like, are you Mr. Pussy?

Are you the dildo guy? It's nothing, I didn't do the show but I was like okay, I'm getting a sense of like, what maybe is going on on this show? Oh my God, that's so embarrassing. I'm sorry, but that is funny. Did you say, no, I'm schmoo? I guess so, yeah.

As soon as you say it, they're like, oh my God, I know the episode. Like, people still to this day, like, my hairdresser in the Good Night and Good Luck, my show on Broadway, was like, right away, when I said I was gonna do this podcast, she said she show on Broadway. Yeah, yeah. Was like, right away, when I said I was gonna do this podcast, she said she knew the episode.

Oh, that's nice. That is literally why I'm doing the podcast because also, as you say, who would have ever thought in a million, a hundred years that we would still be being discovered by new people, being discussed, you know, the old show, but also then continuing with them just like that and having the movies. None of it, none of it would have been anything that any of us would have jumped up.

So that's why I wanted to do the podcast in a way to kind of have a way to talk about it to to also talk about, you know, it is so interesting to think about where we all were, you know, we all came from all these different backgrounds and how we all came together. It is such a collaborative art form. And you don't always get to share these things. And I wanted to kind of create a tapestry of who the people actually are and who they were

and what's happened to them since. And the people who stand out to me, which you're definitely one of, and also the people who stand out to the fans you're definitely one of and also the people who stand out to the fans because I don't think that the fans connect your whole career with that you're schmalt. Did you're saying most people don't every once in a while it comes up though it's as though people are the one to discover it you know there's been magazine articles and I actually had a director run up to me I was doing

Spring Awakening on Broadway and the director came running and so excited, and he said, you're number 35 of Men and Sex in the City and then you're doing a weekly magazine or something. I was like, by that point it had been so long and I was such a little part of it and I know you had like a zillion great actors come through there. And so I was like, I was shocked.

You are one of them, Glenn. My husband has a secret son from a past partner. Hold up Sam, how do we know how we've done the DNA test? Well, John, luckily it's mother may have a DNA test week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. And this wife writes, my husband received a Facebook message from a woman

saying that he is the father of a five year old. Whoa! At first he didn't remember her, but then he realized they had a one night stand right before we started dating. Wait, but do we have proof he's a dad? Well, the author says there's no confirmation the kid is even his son,

but the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon. I think she's going after our money. If the kid is actually my husband's, she would be entitled to it too. So what's a husband gotta say about this? This could be his kid. Well, apparently he broke down

in the middle of the living room apologizing, but this is what scared me. His first instinct, if the kid is his son, is to pay the child support, but not be an active father in the kid's life because he only wants a family with me, his wife. Oh, this is a mess. To hear the explosive finale, follow OK Storytime

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Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about the play too, because I'm so excited that you're on Broadway with George. I'm so excited you guys are doing good night and good luck. It's like fantastic. I can't wait to see it. How's it going? It's going very well. It's been quite a ride. I haven't been on stage for 10 years.

Wow. So that was really how you started. That was how I started. Yeah. It was like breathing to me back then. And then things kind of shifted in my life. I had a kid. I started doing more film and television,

which I always wanted to do, but I also was a little kind of burned out and looking for a change. And occasionally something would cross my, it's not like anyone was begging me to come back. Occasionally something would cross my path,'s not like anyone was begging me to come back. Occasionally something would cross my path, but it was just like it had to be the right thing. Right.

Because I knew George, you know, not always, you know, this might surprise you, but not always working with a big celebrity, it's not always the best thing. What? I don't know what you mean. And, you know, I've been mostly lucky actually, but, but, uh, because I knew George, I was like, well, he's going to be great. And he loves to have a good time.

And she's so smart and funny and serious at the same time. Yeah. And I've just been so in awe of the way he's handled this whole thing. Being a first time playwright, being a first time actor on Broadway, leading man on Broadway. Yeah. He's just handled it with such class and calm. And I would say to him, we're in tech for this very complicated, intense show.

It's okay if you wanna lose your shit once in a while. And he just was so easy with it all. It was like as though he'd been doing it his whole life. He is amazing. I worked with him first season of ER. And I had a teeny, teeny part, right? Where I had to audition, I want to say four times, you know, like some crazy thing.

Cause they, even though it was the first season, it was very, it had that like magic about it, you know? And it was just kind of going up in the ratings. And he was so incredible and such a, even then he was so incredibly smart about the business, you know, like level headed and like, you know, such a great mentor. Like he would just, you know, he would ask you questions and then he would say, oh yeah, you're going to be fine because you've got this quality, that quality, that quality. And this is what you need to do.

Like don't get hung up on the things that you don't get because those weren't meant for you. And the things that are meant for you, just give your all and show up. He just had such a great, kind of a cheerleading quality even back then. Yeah, he's still like that. And one of the things that differentiates him

is that he did struggle for a while. He loves to talk about all his failed pilots and all his time on like Facts of Life and Roseanne as like, you know, the guest stars and recurring characters. And, you know, that kind of gave him perspective on like how lucky he was to do ER and to have his film career.

And then he just worked so hard to parlay that into so many incredible projects. Absolutely. And produced so many beautiful things and then to be on Broadway. He loves to discover talent. He loves casting. He loves all that whole part of it, you know. And he's just so good at it. And it's just so exciting to have him on Broadway. I think it's a great thing that kind of, I felt like when I started and because you went to NYU, I don't know how you felt about it, there were kind of like, you had to kind of pick a lane, right, like I'm a theater actor, oh, I'm a TV actor,

oh, I'm a film actor, and now it's all just, da da da da. Well, I never, I always kind of rejected that idea, but you can feel the industry trying to do that to you. Yeah. Well, you did this thing, that's why I said like, it would kind of go on threes for me, like three Hasidic Jews. So I'd have to say like, okay, I need to pivot.

You know what I mean? You have to know where your bread is buttered in a way. We have to work as actors, but also just in the back of your mind to think like, well, what's different than the last thing I did? And you know, I'm right now coming off a run of like four independent films since the like strikes and all the things that were going on.

And it was good and I like indie films and they were all different and whatever. But I kind of felt like, okay, I things that were going on. And it was good and I like indie films. And they were all different and whatever. But I kind of felt like, okay, I need something else to happen. And then this just kind of came along and it was a surprise. Wonderful. How amazing.

I mean, yes, I am jealous of that in a way because obviously we have had this one thing that has just like, you know, lived and lived and lived. And the wonderful thing about it is that, A, luckily, I always liked Charlotte, but B, we've had this incredible relationship with Michael Patrick where he continues to write in ways that are challenging and deeper,

and, you know, to have one character and then get to go through so many changes and, you know, phases and parts of her life. Like, it's very rare. Well, that's why it's lasted, because you haven't just rested on your laurels. You know, the fact that you've allowed those characters to grow and that Michael has,

is part of the secret of your longevity, I'm sure. I agree, absolutely. And I think it's also, because if we weren't still interested, it wouldn't be interesting to watch, right? Like, you have to be invested, you know, in what you're doing and feel like there is something exciting and new.

And I always feel that way. But I mean, again, it is kind of weird because when you're starting, you're thinking, like I always thought, I mean, Broadway is my highest height of height that could happen. Right? And so in the meantime, you're doing regional theater. And I also had an epiphany. that could happen, right? And so in the meantime, you're doing regional theater. And I also had an epiphany.

I think I was in Cincinnati, where George is from, doing a play at the, they have like a theater up on a hill in a park. It's really pretty. I was doing, I think I was doing What To Do about nothing. And I was like, I'm making like $840 a week and I can't have a dog, you know,

because like I'm traveling the country, like this is not sustainable. What do you, how do people do this? Like wow, it's hard, you know? So that was a bit of a shock, because I thought, oh yeah, that would be amazing to be a journeyman, you know, regional theater actor. I thought that would be great.

Then I got there and I was like, hmm, hard, hard, really hard. It's hard, you know, one, yeah, that's, that was kind of a model. It's, I don't know if people can sustain that anymore. I think back in the day, in that sort of era before we came up, there were people who just could have like a regional theater career.

And there were also like more companies across the country, you know, that would foster activist careers. So it got harder to do. But at one time I was like, yeah, this is romantic and it's great. And when you're young, it seems really cool. And plus I needed a place to sleep. So I'd live in some housing in some city

for a couple of months at a time. And it would tide me over until my next sublet or couch that I was sleeping on or whatever. Wow amazing but then so in terms of Broadway itself like I eventually got to Broadway with James Earl Jones which was of course a dream and a miracle and you know still just like a like almost like I dreamt the whole thing it's a fantasy. It was so incredible just to go to the theater every day you know and think like I'm in this show on Broadway. Like, what the heck? Like, do you feel that way?

How do you feel? You know, I'm very grizzled. Got it. It took me a very long time to get to Broadway. Like you, it was a big goal for me. It was a big deal. I grew up in New York going to see Broadway shows. So it was a big deal. I grew up in New York going to see Broadway shows. So it was a big deal to me.

But the difference from those like regional theater off Broadway days was it's a very commercial venture. Yeah. People kind of dig their heels in, like we're gonna run this show for a long time and like this is my territory. There was like a different feeling. I had a lot of great experiences,

but I ended up cranking out six Broadway shows in five years. Oh my territory. There was like a different feeling. I had a lot of great experiences, but I ended up cranking out six Broadway shows in five years. Oh my God. And by the end of that, and I wanted the experience of like a long run, because when you do a regional show, it's a couple months and then you're done, and usually I wanted to be done.

But I would wonder about the people who did long runs on Broadway and these kind of legendary people who played one part for a long time, like how do you do that? And how do you keep it alive for that long? And I wanted to have that experience and I did. And then I just realized, oh, it makes me completely crazy.

You know, like I wanted to keep it fresh and you know, you know, people are paying a lot of money and I take that all very seriously, but it can kind of make you crazy. Oh, definitely, it's so hard. It's so incredibly hard to do one show eight times a week. One show eight times a week is a fascinating challenge. I mean, Sex and the City and Just Like That

is a different challenge, right? Because you're playing the same character, but you're in different situations. Different things are happening, and sometimes it's funny, and sometimes it's serious. But when you're doing the same exact story night after night after night oh wow it was like fascinating I've never had a long run either though but just doing

eight shows a week is just a whole thing. It is it's a thing you know this has been amazing but it has been an incredible amount of work just a lot of mental it's like the most kind of mentally challenging one of them. That's interesting. Most of the challenging things I've done. Because it's, you know, and also it's that thing, I don't know if you've had this opportunity to like play a real life person, a real person. I have, it's so stressful.

Well, you wanna honor that person's life, you know? And so it also comes with that, and we're all playing real people. Yeah, and you're playing great people, which is super fascinating. Yeah, but you're playing great people, which is super fascinating. Yeah, but complicated. And it's a really amazing moment in time, moment in history. So it's taken a lot.

Plus we have multimedia things going on. I heard, I read. I read in some of the glowing reviews. But it's going really well and people love it. And I think people are kind of hungry for this kind of thing right now to hear the language that Edward R. Murrow spoke in the 50s and speaking truth to power and people just kind of like being at their best doing great things and you know and a lot of these people were it was earlier in their

careers not Murrow but a lot of the other characters you're seeing them you know they went on to be legendary news people but at this point they didn't know if they were gonna make it to next week. That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing. And what an incredible thing to be doing right now and in our world. Yeah, it feels good.

It feels like at a time where it feels like you can feel very helpless, it can feel like, what can I do? This just feels like to go to work and be like, okay, this is why I'm an actor and this is what I'm doing Yeah, you don't feel it very often really landing with people. So Great. It's super exciting. Can I just tell you a little anecdote about James Earl Jones? Yeah, what was the show that you did with it was the best man, which we used to do like every election time

There would be a version of the best man. Was that with Michael Wilson? Yeah I love Michael. I with Michael Wilson? Yeah! I love Michael. I love Michael Wilson so much, so much. I didn't remember that you did that. I should know that. Yes, I did. And the weirdest thing about it was that,

so I replaced, oh, I'm not gonna remember her name, Carrie something, I replaced, I was like the second cast. So it was the most incredible cast all the way around. But Michael Wilson had said to me We tried to get you in the beginning. I mean I was like well, I never heard that what what like that's like your worst nightmare As an actor right like that someone tried to get you in a Broadway show and somehow your agents didn't feel like telling you It was one of those moments where I do think there was an agency's change Yeah, you do have those times that a couple of time not often but times. Not often, but once in a while where someone's like,

I tried to get this to you. Did you ever hear about this? And I go, no, I never heard about this. You're like, how could this happen? Like, like this is something that of course I would have moved heaven and earth to do. Like with James Earl Jones. I'm sorry. Also an incredible rest of the cast, but like James Earl Jones. I mean, come on. So anyway, I replaced with John Stamos. We came in to replace Eric McCormack and Carrie, something, she's very nice. And it was John Larroquette, you know, it's like everyone was amazing.

Candice Bergen, I mean, it was so incredible. So I came on kind of late in the first act and I had a lot of time to kill, and I was so incredibly nervous to be on the stage with these people. And I'd never been on Broadway. I'd grown up doing theater. I'd done theater at Rutgers. I'd gone to their BFA program, but I was rusty, you know?

I was like, ah, so scared. And John was like the best co-star in the world, but he had to go on, right? So I was just by myself, and I would go downstairs because they had built a dressing room for James Earl Jones that was on the same floor as the stage so that he didn't have to go up and down the stairs. And I would just go down there to hang out with him because he would just hang. He loved people. He loved to talk to everybody. So he you could like stop in his dressing room and talk to him or like sit backstage and talk to him or watch him and he would change up stuff every night.

It was incredible. It is amazing when you get to meet people who obviously you've admired your whole life and watch their work and whatnot and to be around them and then to see whatever way, because there's so many different ways to make it work. Yeah. I mean, that was my last experience, really, of being on stage.

I became the sort of go-to person that could do these littler parts or little understudy roles and be on stage with Meryl Streep or Al Pacino or Christopher Walken. Amazing. So I had this run. I mean, I went to London and did a play with Maggie Smith. Oh!

Oh! And it was all kind of in a row. So I was like, what's happening? After like, no one knew who the hell I was for years, you know, and suddenly I was having these opportunities. But I also, I felt like if I had stayed just doing theater, then I would have been like understudied to the stars or something, you know, or not.

And so I knew that there was more out there for me to do. Smart. And I wanted the challenge of, I felt like film and television, even though I was doing it here and there along the way, I just, in fact, I remember about you, about watching you work, because it was my first TV gig, and I was a little, of course, nervous about it.

And didn't know the technique, or I don't know if I still do, but I definitely at that time didn't know, you know, and I remember watching you and thinking like, oh, she's done a lot. I don't know if I thought you were on a soap or had done, I knew you had done some stuff, but I was just like your comfort level on camera,

like that really struck me, cause I was like, oh, she's just so easy. And for me, I had these like few lines and this little part but it's like you know becomes so important you know which makes it hard those little parts are really hard. My husband has a secret son from a past partner. Hold up Sam how do we know how we done the DNA test? Well John luckily it's mother may I have a DNA test week on the OK Storytime podcast so we'll find out soon and this wife writes my husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father Of a five-year-old. Whoa at first he didn't remember her

But then he realized they had a one-night stand right before we started dating wait, but do we have proof? He's a dad. Well, the author says there's no confirmation the kid is even his son But the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon I think she's going after our money if the kid is actually my husband, but the woman from Facebook has a meeting with her lawyer soon. I think she's going after our money. If the kid is actually my husband's, she would be entitled to it too. So what's a husband gotta say about this? This could be his kid.

Well, apparently he broke down in the middle of the living room apologizing, but this is what scared me. His first instinct, if the kid is his son, is to pay the child support, but not be an active father in the kid's life because he only wants a family with me, his wife. Oh, this is a mess. To hear the explosive finale,

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you know? Of course. That was interesting for me to hear you say that on some of the other pods you did because I was like, oh, to me you were just like, oh, the season pro from LA and like, you know, just really easy. And I was just like, oh, I need some of that. Well, excellent. Well, this is what I felt about you.

And it must have been either, and because I barely remember, like there are things that I don't remember, like I should have come talk to you in the cafeteria or whatever, like I don't know what was going on with me that I wasn't, I was probably, we were probably running lines or so, who knows? But you know, what struck me compared to, we did have this whole kind of run of these young men

who came on the show, right? First season, second season, before the show really hit. And they were in, what we think was going on, which we don't know, but we would discuss it when they weren't there. It was weird because the men were the girlfriend parts, right? Like in a way that they weren't really used to being. And they seemed perplexed about

how to do that, you know. Whereas all of us very well versed in how to do that because that was basically what you got to do in TV and film back then, you know what I mean? Unless you were Meryl Streep. That's what I heard from all my female friends, my actress friends, it's like, ah, it's another girlfriend part, another wife, you know. Exactly, exactly. And they're very hard in a certain way

because you kind of have to figure the guy out and what they want and how to make it. You want to still be a person, you want to be a person. You want to be whole, absolutely. And what I remember about you, and maybe I knew about your theater record or maybe I didn't, I kind of just felt like you were this schmool, like for whatever reason. And I just remember you being so present and that's really what you want. That's really the basic gist of everything that you want in a,

especially in a romantic thing, because you want to have it have some life. And it can't, even with the incredible writing that we had, which first season we're still finding ourselves, but like they wrote really well. But if you're not present with the other person, you're just doing, you're having to do so much more work. You know? And I remember you just being a breath of fresh air

in that regard, which is why I always had such a fond, fond memory. I was like, oh, that was a great storyline. Thank God. I'm amazed you even remember it after all these years. Yeah, I mean, it stood out. It really stood out. There's a lot of things about first season.

To me, that's a tribute to you because I just feel like you made me so, after that initial thing of that look in your eyes, seeing me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. That's okay. I think you were right. I would have had to see those files.

I'm sure I was a little like, I was like, wow, they really went for it. And I think that's what I thought. Cause that's what I thought when I rewatched it. I was like, wow, I forgot that they really, really went for it. Wow. Well, you're right, because nobody was doing that on TV before your show.

I don't think that you would see something like that. And you know, there were laughs, but it was like, you're also trying to play it for real kind of. And in fact, I remember, I think I was at a Shakespeare festival that summer when the show aired. And I was like, you know, I don't know what I thought about the show and like how that was gonna come off

and anything, I was a little worried to watch it. But this friend of mine who was in the cast was like, we're gonna gather everybody and we're gonna watch this show. And so we watched it like late at night. Somebody recorded it after a performance, I think. And we're sitting in this like housing we were in, all watching it. And there's like a moment I'm like eyeballing you

and then I like flick a cigarette and the whole room erupted. I remember that response. I was like, oh, I guess this works. Like I had no idea that it was funny, that it was anything. I knew that it was good working with you, but beyond that I had no idea how it would come across.

So it was kind of funny to do it with a room full of people, my first TV thing, and just have people like go crazy. That's amazing. I love that. I mean, that is the one thing about television that's sometimes a bummer is that you don't get to see the audience reaction. Like that's sometimes a bummer is that you don't get to see the audience reaction, you know? Like it's such a joy when,

cause we would usually premiere the first two episodes like with a group and it's such a joy because when you're working and you watch yourself by yourself, you're always critical. You're always gonna have some critical whatever's. But if you can watch everyone else respond, it takes that away and you can just be like, oh my God. Yeah, I've been lucky enough to have a few shows

where you know, you got to go to a big premiere or something and they'd show the first episode or two and you get to do that with a theater full of people that is great yeah it is great and that's the great thing about live theater too it's just that immediate you're just immediately in sync with what's happening yeah I know it well what a joy what a joy you are and I'm gonna come see that show and and I can't wait. And I wish you all the success in the world. And thank you for coming on the podcast.

It's really been a privilege. And it's so good to see you after all this time. I know. That's also what I love about acting, right? Like, you get to meet so many different people and then you don't know if you'll see them again or if you won't or if you'll get to see their work. And like, it's just been such a joy over the years

to be like, oh my God, that's that guy. There he is killing people or whatever. Yeah, yeah. One theater director I had said, we're friends of the heart, you know, cause we don't see each other. We don't know when we'll see each other. But you know, you see the person's work

and you go, oh, that's my person. I know, that's so true. That's so true and you feel connected. You are true. That's so true. And you feel connected. You are connected. That's a good point. I like that. I like that very much. Well, friend of the heart, go and have a good show.

Oh, you don't have a show tonight. Have a good week of shows. Thank God, no, I have a day off. You have a day off. Thank you for talking to me on your day off. It's been such a pleasure and it's great to see you and congratulations on everything. And on this podcast, which I think is so awesome.

You're really working very hard, I can see. I am working very hard, trying to make it what I want it to be, you know, it's an ongoing process. There's tons of material and because you had so many great actors on the show over the years, I know from the New York theater side of things, like all the kind of cool people you've had coming through there, so I think it would be a blast.

Yeah, that's the joy, you know, of working in New York and getting to have those people. And I've just been really picky about who I've had on, but you have been on my list, and thank you. Thank you for coming through, because there are people where people talk about them, like you and also Andrea Bocatelli, who played the modelizer, the model guy, the bone, they called him in the first or second episode.

No one has found him for years. I mean, he's, they called him in the first or second episode. No one has found him for years. I mean, he's not like you, he's a realtor now. But I got him, I got him on. So like I have my, you know, my like people I'm looking forward to and you were one of them. So thank you so much. Well, it was a no brainer.

I'm thrilled to see you and thanks for having me. It's my pleasure, Glenn. Okay, I can't wait to see the show. Okay, bye. It's my pleasure, Glenn. Okay? I can't wait to see the show. Okay, bye. And this wife writes, my husband received a Facebook message from a woman saying that he is the father of a five-year-old. At first, he didn't remember her,

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