Are You A Charlotte? - Super Mario (Mario Cantone Is Here!)...

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Charlotte and Anthony were a match made in wedding planning heaven.  The BFFs went way beyond “HATES IT” to become the closest of friends both on screen and off.  Their Sex and the City friendship endured multiple weddings, babies, love stories, Liza Minelli and the loss of dear friends. Mario Cantone returns to join Kristin to laugh and cry and tell all.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? You guys, Mario Cantone is here. Oh my, I've been waiting. It's so exciting. I know, that's what he said when I texted him. Hey, do you want to be on the podcast? Oh, I hope so. I've been waiting for you to ask me.

But my feeling was, in my mind when I agreed to do the podcast to rewatch, which I hadn't rewatched, you know, since it originally came on, I thought I'm going to go chronologically and in order, but it's too hard to wait. OK. It is too hard to wait. And so funny, I caught myself because I I saw that we were going to recap this episode and I was like, why aren't we doing an episode I'm in that we do? And she was and I went, oh a minute okay you're doing one of the

time you're doing a chronological I said so great and well you're just a joy that I have to have you now I needed to be here I know he was he was not messed around he was like well I was waiting I've been waiting I know we came all the way to lovely San Francisco I know it to talk to you and we're in beautiful Marin County It's very beautiful Beautiful I mean wow there's there's a lovely little town that I stay at once in a while called Bolinas, which is like Hidden okay, the locals ripped the signs down Wow don't know how to get there unless you know how to get it It's secret guys beautiful. So here is Mario the fantastic Mario Cantone

Now what I want to do with you is go back to the beginning. Okay, I want to ask you Okay, what year did you get cast and how did it come about on sex in the city? Okay, so I started I In the 80s, I was doing stand-up with Michael Patrick King at the end away 44th Street 9th Avenue the original improv that Bud Friedman and Silver Friedman owned. Then they divorced and Bud got the one in LA and Silver got the one in New York. She passed me.

I met Michael. He was in a comedy team at the time. Wow. King and Mende and then he ended up doing stand-up on his own. I remember one time Joan Rivers Rivers husband had just passed away and So he said Michael said to me. Okay, you're Joan Rivers who also knew that I did her and loved me Okay, she goes after preface it So she goes you're Joan Rivers you're on a cruise and could just died you're grieving you're getting over it go

Wow, I would have to like improv like Let's have some breakfast And we're done. We're doing better today Waitress, could I get some eggs eggs egg? And it went on and on and then I ended up doing that on stage a week later and it was too soon Um, but it was very but it was fun. So wait, you know known Michael since the 80s? Since the 80s. So I was doing an off-Broadway show at the time. It was the end of 1999, I think, or 2000.

Okay. I think it was early 2000. And he said, I wrote you something. So he wrote it for you. Oh yeah, he wrote it. That's amazing. But I was doing an off-Broadway show at the time. But I went in to read, just to make it official. And,, so I, I was doing a show called The Crumple Zone, which did very well ran for six months off Broadway. And I, I remember it we are night or the day we filmed it was a tech day.

Oh, no director who I love very much not please know he didn't want to let me out. I'm'm like, it's a tech day people stand there and you light it right and I went like this I'm going to do this episode because it was an issue of maybe I was like I'm going to do my this episode So sweet and I went oh no, it wasn't sweet. It was desperation So like what was it was one it was one episode That was my wedding planner as your wedding. My place and my wedding player and you remember we had two Scenes we had a second scene. Uh, no, I don't remember. Okay. See I love I love see you do Every episode I don't I was recurring I did people go how many episodes did I do I did 12? Well, I did one season three

Yeah ours two season four three season five and six season six and then both Luckily, yes, and now we're in now without him. Yeah, the movies really kind of solidified it, which was nice, you know, um, got it. So uh There were two scenes in that first episode. Okay. There was the one hates it the very famous hates it with the wedding dress The wedding dress. Yeah, don't use the f. With the wedding dress. With the wedding dress. Yeah, Vera Wang. Don't use the F word in Vera Wang. Yeah, all that stuff.

Okay. You're dragging and I'm yelling at the girl. Right. And then there was another scene in the back of the Vera Wang in this kind of little area. In the dressing room? Yep. And I was fitting you. Okay.

And you were getting very anxious as Charlotte. This reason though. And I had his scissors and it ripped the dress and you were furious. And we just kind of looked at each other. That scene got cut because it was at three in the morning, four in the morning. There wasn't enough coverage and they cut it. Luckily they cut it because it was almost like an argument between us. I ripped your dress. Oh, so it might have gone well. So if I... Well, they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already.

I don't know. No? Well, I remember running into Michael and he said, do you know how much great feedback we got on you? I said, I don't know. I said, and I don't care. I just want to know, am I coming back? And he said, yes.

So that's... That's adorable. I vaguely remember, they'll tell you what I remember most about the Vera Wang. So we're in Vera Wang, which I think was a big deal. Yes. And we're, you know, I had already tried on like 35 actual Vera Wang dresses to see what Charlotte would wear. It was a whole drama. And we're there and it's going very late, as was our just general MO. And I'm so sorry if I'm repeating myself, but you know, all the time.

It was very late. Very late. We got out at four in the morning then. Exactly. And so the executive from HBO Michael Hill came, do you remember? And the reason I remember is that it's not very big in Vera Wang. It's like a very boutique. Yeah. So he's sitting over the over across the room like just glaring at everyone because he wants us to hurry up because we're over budget, right? And he's just glaring at everyone which doesn't help any. No, it doesn't. You know what I'm saying? And so I'm sure that that also influenced the scene that we, the other scene that got

cut, which is actually a good thing that it got cut, as you're saying. But I don't remember that other scene. I really, I mean, when I'm rewatching, I don't remember anything. I'm, it's like, I'm seeing it for the first time. I just started watching a bunch of them because they just playing them on HBO a lot now. Right. And seeing the uncut version of it. Usually, usually I'm used to seeing them quickly on, I also don't like seeing myself that long ago because. Oh, come on. I just

go, boy, was I pretty. You're so adorable. Yeah. So maybe you're still. I was pretty. What happened? But you know, I, I remember it's so funny because I didn't remember Michael Hill. I don't, I don't remember him coming. If I had known, I probably would have been like, Oh God, good thing I don't I don't remember him coming if I had known I probably would have been like, oh god Good thing I didn't know I tried to protect you from you think and the other thing was Like when you do when you're when we were rehearsing it and I'm Betty Anne and all the crew They were laughing hysterically right and then of course, they can't laugh while you're filming So when my comedian sick mind you think well, I'm not funny anymore. I've lost it, you know, there's that issue But I just I I remember that night like it was yesterday. And also that night, my husband's was opening in an off Broadway show at Playwrights Horizon that

night. Oh my god. I couldn't go. He was so look, this changed my life. I changed my life. It's a and the fact that it's come back. And it's this successful, and it's come back. No reboot runs. We don't call it a reboot. I know, you know what I'm saying. I do. No reissue, no whatever. It doesn't happen like this. Well, I think it also just doesn't happen

that you get to revisit the characters for 30 years or whatever, 28, whatever it is. So that's alone shocking. And then the other thing that I've mentioned a lot, but is really, I think important to remember is that there's not, I can't think of any other female driven franchise, which is what we are at this point,

that is as successful and ongoing. So we're just incredibly lucky. Yeah, from the series to the movies to this. Exactly. And also, you know, with within just like that, there's been big changes made in characters all the way around and. Except for Charlotte. Well, you know what's interesting? Yeah, except but watching, watching that early episode,

it was interesting. Well, first season. First season. What? But no, oh, you're beautiful. You to see. Oh, first season. First season. What? It's crazy different. You're a lovely one. You're so sweet. I mean, thank you, but it's very unformed.

Well, when Charlotte did get formed, it's interesting what happens. Let me talk about the sequel here, and just like that, what I think has happened to you is that your confidence level, and I think this happened when you formed the character too, but it has kind of heightened. Your confidence level is stronger and your anxiety level is higher, which makes for magnificent comedy that you-

Listen. That you nail, you know. But I gotta tell you something, Mario. There is no way that my anxiety level is higher than it was first season That's all I can think of when I watch is how I'm talking about the character. I know I know you I can't separate you know, but of course you're anxious It's a new thing and I don't know what that like I didn't know where this was going But also I wasn't even worried about where it was going. I was more just trying to pull off Charlotte, and Charlotte was so underdeveloped.

Michael told me when he came on the podcast that he was like, I don't know how to write for that one. I was like, I love to hear that because definitely I could tell that I was not fully fleshed out. Then Jenny Bakes came on which was so great because Jenny grew up on the Upper East Side. So she was actually an authority who could write me knowing what that was, you know, what that was about.

Do you know what I'm saying? Thank God. So it came together. But what I want to say about you, and then we're going to talk about you, because we're here to talk about you, my friend. So what I want to say is that the success that we've had for all these many years in all these different forms

is because we have the most amazing cast and that includes every element of the cast and the incredible writers and the incredible fans. So you have been a huge, huge, huge part of that success. Well, our chemistry is so good and I love working with you. And on the note of anxiety, yes, every episode I did a sex in the city, I left that set thinking.

I didn't hit it. I didn't get it. I would call him. He's like, you think I'd let you, you know, Michael, I got to let you go. If I didn't get it. I know you were always so worried. Always sweet. And then I would watch it and be like, all right.

Yeah. All right. Well, so you learned, you learned as you went. Yeah. That's great. and be like, all right, yeah, all right. So you learned you learned as you will. Yeah, that's great. Because I was I always knew that you had five times what you thought you had.

You know what I'm trying to say? Like, and you just needed to take a breath. Yeah. You know, just take a breath. And now look at you now and look at me now. Yeah. Unless there's a lot of bread involved. I mean, no kidding. Oh, well, here's this is a lovely story. Props. I'm talking about props, you guys. Okay, I also

you're not sure. Well, he has a bread. I have a bread business. Well, you know, it's so funny telling secretly. Yes. And everyone knows this. I've said it in interviews. When that first scene that we did together where I'm picking out your wedding dress, and I am saying the Oh, the placket the lace applique, I had no idea what I was saying. I didn't get that gay gene. I couldn't pick up your dress or your shoes.

I'm not that kind of a homosexual. I don't care. And not that I don't care. I know it looks good, but I just- Honestly, I don't think Michael Patrick King cares either. No, no. It's about, you know, so I didn't like being a wedding planner, even though that wasn't-

You didn't. No. But it was for- I didn't know being a wedding planner, even though that wasn't. You didn't. No, but it was fine. No, you pulled it off. You didn't complain. No, no, no, no. Complain, just say the lines and hit your mark and shut up. But we never said that. No, but I said that to my head.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And not that I hate it. It's just like this wouldn't be my choice to play. Got it. But when this came on and just like that came along, because I've known Michael for years, so I just thought, he said, I knew I wanted to do something culinary with you.

Oh. And I bake. I sell a banana bread to a coffee shop in my neighborhood. No. Yeah, I bake, I bake, I cook. I didn't know this. I'm a big baker. I didn't know you cook, but I didn't know you baked.

Oh, I bake. I bake a lot of stuff. Wow, we've got to get your banana bread at Hotfellas. Oh, I know. Well, you know what's the other interesting thing is, one of my favorite bakeries is Sullivan Street Bakery, which is right across the street from me. All the bread that we use in the bakery is from there. And I know Jim Leahy really really well it's a great place. What year is it and how did you get the part? You knew Michael. Oh that's right. We go in. We go in. I just read it and he and he cast me. Got it. That was it. And you

thought it was one. I thought it was one. So then you into him and you're like, I don't care about the feedback Yeah, I want to know I mean he said you say yes. He said you're definitely coming back Oh great So I was on the second episode in season four, right? And then I did one other episode in season four, right? Yeah And then I did like three in season five and six in season six and were you just like calmly hoping or were you calling him? Let me tell you agents. What were you doing like calmly hoping or were you calling him? Let me tell you.

Calling your agents? What were you doing? No, I didn't. I just prayed that I was coming back because I didn't, I honestly, look, I can't call them and make them like, where's my, why aren't I? Oh no, no, no. I don't do that. No. Look, and there are people that are the opposite. They're there with recurring people. There are people that that are on people that have recurring roles sometimes,

in not just our series, I'm talking about anywhere, where they have to work around them and they're not available. I was always on call because I was always afraid I would get fired if I couldn't make it. It's stressful. And then you hear other stories of people like, well they had to write them out of this episode, well they had to, this one couldn't do that,, this one couldn't do that. And this right. I couldn't be that way. But I think that's great. I also would never have been that way.

I know. In that situation. I know you. Yeah, I'm always available. I knew you understand it. Absolutely. But also, I think, you know, I also feel like and tell me, tell me if you feel this way, you know, you might be different with different projects, right? But like, if you feel that this is for you Like if it clicks if you are thrilled with it and you like the working environment you like the part and the finished product Or whatever, you know, that's your priority and I think that people know that and look our business is crazy

And sometimes you can't control it, right? You can but you can tell what the priorities are and I know Michael Patrick really Cares that you also care. Oh, yeah You can tell what the priorities are. And I know Michael Patrick really cares that you also care. Oh, yeah, I do. That all of us care. I do. You know, I mean, I never even asked for like, oh, I can't make it that day.

Could you possibly? I mean, there's a few times I was like, I wanna go to LA and just do this game show for a day. Can you find a day for me? You know, that's how I am. I don't push. I don't push it. Um, you know, but this, this, I also knew when I did my first episode that this was a, by the third season, it was a big show.

Got it. And so come before the Thursdays. In my mind, you were there earlier, but no, cause you were my wedding planner. I don't get married to the third. That's right. That makes sense. That is true. Third season is when we really hit it. I would say, I get married to the third season. That's right. That makes sense. That is true. And third season is when we really hit.

I would say. I would say so too. Yeah. And then it just kept going. And also back then to have, I didn't know I was going to come back, especially you already, may he rest in peace, the great Willie Garson, you had already had one gay male character on the show.

And back then one was enough for the public. You know what I mean. I do know what you mean. It was a different time. It was a different time. It was a different time. So the fact that I got to become a recurring character on it and, you know it was um. So you didn't have super high expectations based on the fact that we already had one gay character and this was the 90s and or early 2000s and that was a lot. But luckily we were in HBO and they pretty much let us do what we wanted to do. But we still were and I it's part of the reason I wanted to do the podcast because if you think about how things were in the society in 97 some things were really different and television as a reflection of the society, and then some things weren't really different, right?

Like there are things now that are really different, that we would not have seen coming, and then there are some things where it's still very relevant, the things that were in the show, like the themes, the kind of ideas. But also I think the reality of New York City, we were trying our best to reflect that then, and some of that was a stretch, like having more than one gay character is a stretch,

which is crazy to think about. Speaking of New York City, the influence, the influence, the influence that this show had on fashion, and also, look, I live down the street from the Meekpacking district. This show accelerated. What a shock. Yeah.

It accelerated. Oh is it our fault? It accelerated the development of that area. Oh no. I like the old Meekpacking district. I can't walk in there. Drag women chase me. I know babe.

I know. Isn't it great. Can we talk about that for a second? Yeah. You know what's so funny is that still because cause I live in LA when we're not working, as you know, and part of the reason I live in LA is because it's very chill compared to us in New York. And people are like, no, New Yorkers don't care.

I'm like, well, but also, I mean, it's great because they consider us theirs. I think. Yeah. I took my shirt off once on Sex and the City. It was in that episode. Oh, I remember. There was a lot of stress. So yeah. And I was like, Oh God. Yeah.

I looked all right. I look back and go, okay. So this was two years ago. Yes. When we're going into the second season and Michael Patrick King called me up and said hey just so you know you're gonna be getting a storyline you're gonna be gonna be getting a boyfriend so guess what I remember your trainer and I started working out what and and and and but the when I have a backside shot I'm in bed with Sebastian and who

Sebastian Oh a dream place who I just adore. Yes, I'm the luckiest man in the world with that. He sent in one audition tape and got it. We had no chemistry test. And it is a godsend. This is how my brother now you know, which is a little weird kissing him. First season I was like, I get to kiss this beautiful young man. Now I'm like, you're like my brother and it's I'm over here when it's a little weird, but I love him. He's just a good guy. So, I looked at it and I went, well, the night before it dropped, I didn't sleep. I was like, these homosexuals are gonna come after me?

I look like... And then I saw him and I went, you know what? I look okay. And I'm all... And I'm next to him. I was like, okay, it's not as bad as I thought it was gonna be. You were very stressed. I remember you were very stressed because how could you not be? Murder. It's a very real thing. And, and, you know, even with like the intimacy coordinators, because Sebastiano is a guy and I'm a guy, we're both like, whatever. We're not like choreographing every move. And we had a, which is fine.

Look, it's different for women. It's a different thing. The other thing is, I don't think anyone wants to choreograph every move. No. it's different for women. It's a different thing. But the other thing is, I don't think anyone wants to choreograph every move. No. It's about feeling safe, right? It's about feeling safe. And so you don't know, the intimacy coordinator is there because you don't know the situation

and you don't know how the other actors are gonna be. I mean, we do in our situation. And you, you work with. But normally you don't know. Yes. And you don't know what the director's gonna want. And if early on you're working with different men all the time, it's a different thing.

Definitely, and that was a different time. I'm totally, I felt so safe with them. Of course. They say with me, we're good. Yeah. But, and it's, you know, for a man, from guy, all these guys, the crew, I love my crew, they're all straight guys, you know, when you're a woman, it's a different thing. I mean, it's a whole other thing.

Yeah. But anyway, so before season three started filming, I said to Michael, I want more nudity. I said, my DMs blew up the next day. I want more nudity. I said, I like being sexualized at 65 years old. It's good. Well, God bless you. God bless you. And you know what?

I mean, we're lucky that we even get the chance to do anything. You know what I mean? Exactly. Right. Let's pause. Let's back up in time. Do you remember meeting Willie? Yes. It was that first day. The first day? Let's pause. Let's back up in time. Do you remember meeting Willie? Yes. It was that first day. The first day? I'm sorry, not the first day. It was

my second episode when we're at the fashion show, the fashion show, which was really fun. Oh, it was a blast. I remember being really fun. I remember that day. I remember because I remember walking into that, the aisle of the fashion show. Yeah, it was big too. It was big. Remember how big it was? Oh it was huge. And remember we weren't the main story. Sir Jessica walking and falling was. Heidi Klum and Kevin Aquan was there.

So we were just having fun. Yeah we were just having good time. You, me and Willie. I remember. It was really really fun. Right away I got who he was. I adored him. He's hilarious.

His storytelling is phenomenal. I know, right? He's just a great person to be around. He was just so much fun. And we hung out here and there. And, you know, I remember when he first adopted his son. Yeah, Nathan. Yeah, Nathan. So it's, yeah, I... It's fascinating because who knew we were gonna get married eventually.

I know. And I... What'd you think of that? I thought it was good. I think... I think it was great. I think things happen. You, I mean, I've met people and I'm like, I'm totally not attracted to that. I don't... and then all of a sudden it flips. Yeah.

That happens all the time in life. I still, and I can't really separate this from actual life, you know, because we didn't, you know, we didn't know that he was sick, and then obviously we really didn't think it was going to be as bad as it was, as quickly as it was, and we had to really shift gears with your storyline. I mean, how'd you feel?

Oh, I was, well, first of all, he told me, while we were filming Big's funeral, I didn't know, that's when we all kind of found out. Yeah, I already knew. You knew, I didn't know. Yeah, that was a hard, hard, hard, oh Jesus. John Melfi was running around and he had a special weekend.

You could tell something was going on. I was like, what's going on? And I sat down on the bench with Willie and he told me and he turned his head and I thought he was laughing because I thought it was a joke. And then he wasn't and so we both were crying and he said he was laughing because I thought it's a joke. And then he wasn't. And so we both were crying and he said he has to leave the show and I don't know what's going to happen.

And I'm sorry. I'm like, what? It was, it was mind blowing. It was horrible. And you know, I was like, well, whatever happens for me. I was like, whatever, you know, I mean, and so Michael came to me and said, look, because he had a right on the fly for me. Because all that stuff. I remember, you know, which you had a whole bunch of scenes, which, which he did brilliantly.

Of course, he just did. But you know, he I remember him saying to me, you know, I'm going to need you now more than ever. And, you know, I started crying. It was just, it was a lot. And then Willie was gone. And I always, this story about when we were going into see Lily's recital, that first, that first episode, and we filmed the argument out in the front when you were coming in. And we went in and then we filmed the interior like three weeks later and he couldn't make it and that scene was rewritten that morning by Michael and and I remember that day so I was you know the court jester and trying to be funny and keep it all lie so you know Michael was always throw out yeah what would

Bette Davis say what so I was yeah you, but it was it was, we all just kind of held on and kept moving forward. But it was it was rough. But, you know, here we are. I know. What can you do? It is really shocking. It's shocking. Yeah. And cancer my whole family's, there's so many of my people, my mother, my father, a lot of, you know, a lot of people have gone from cancer in my family. Cancer's horrible. It sucks. It sucks. I mean, I just feel like, why isn't it cured yet? Where's the fix? I agree, I agree, I agree.

This money making thing, where's the fix? At least what I don't, I mean, look, I know it's this things that have gotten better, but it's also, this also treatments that aren't available and we don't know about that are available in Germany or something. You know Germany for some reason is the place to go. It's interesting. There's supposedly a cancer vaccination there that they make for you according to your cancer that really supposedly helps. Well listen up everyone. Yeah exactly. Yeah Peter Gabriel is doing it. Yes. Okay, so, you know Let's go doctors. No doctors. We're not not medical advice. No, but interesting interesting, right? Yeah Yeah, I mean, I wish we go back in time. I wish we could go back in time

It is strange when I first started the podcast I had to go back and rewatch the pilot right and I haven't seen any of these things since you know the beginning, right? Yeah, I used to really hate to rewatch the pilot, right? And I haven't seen any of these things since, you know, the beginning, right? Yeah. I used to really hate to rewatch because I just felt, I don't know, weird about it. Like I didn't want to spend my time in the past, I guess. Yeah. But because we're here together and talking about it as a connecting, the podcast is a way to connect, you know?

And because so many people, I'm sure you you experienced this talk to me about it throughout the day you know you're moving through the world and different things strike different people differently right and they'll come up and say oh I remember blah blah blah I remember blah blah blah and you know it's so so amazing like the way that you can touch touch people or be a part of something that touches people and how they know the material better than we do. 100%. We forget it. Yeah, 100%.

I mean, I remember the big story lines. There's so many things I didn't remember. Or a line. Right. Yeah, I said that. Isn't that crazy how people remember the lines? Yes. Oh, yeah.

But I think, you know, to go back, when I first watched the pilot, I had always remembered the pilot being bad. In my mind, it was bad. Because we didn't really know what we were doing. We didn't really know. There was so much talking to the camera. Yes. You know, it was very dark, which in my mind had been bad. But when you look back on it,

it's kind of bold and amazing and interesting and dark, like not like television at the time at all. Right? And the tone of the first season was very little different than the rest. Oh, the tone of the first season. Yeah, we didn't know. We didn't know nothing in terms of what we're doing. The overlap of talking sometimes. Which is fantastic. Last night, there was a lot of overlapping.

Oh, yes, there was. And I've never seen that before. I know, because Michael does not know his overlap now. No, no, no. No, he doesn't. No, no, which is really stressful. It's that click, click, click, click, click, click, click. It's his pattern that he writes.

But back when I first watched the pilot, you know, I'm just in my bed, you know, the night before the first podcast recording, watching it, and when they introduced Stanford, it's just this super close-up of Willie, who I already knew. I knew Willie because I met him on the X-Files set in like Vancouver in a abandoned insane asylum insane asylum like super spooky. But of course Willie makes any place fun, right? So it was just a really good time

He's telling stories doing the whole thing Um, so I already knew him which was great um And it just smashed cut to Willie's face his young face and oh it hit me so hard It hit me so hard, but this is the joy of film that it lasts forever Right and he made his mark in so many different shows and so many different movies. He did. He worked a lot. So much. Everyone knew him.

Everyone knew him. Everyone knew him. And he worked with a lot of people. He did a lot of work, a lot of series. He did many things. Let me ask you this. Do you feel when you think back, is it something where you can think about, oh, I remember when Willie and I were doing this and I was observing him and I learned this, or are you all just like soaking it up wherever you go? Well, just, you know, it's day to day.

Yeah. It's a different experience every time you're on that set. Which is what I love about acting in general. Me too, it's absolutely, it's a different experience. You're feeling different things. Right. And you're, you know, you're more anxious one day and a little less anxious another day and care too much one day and then one day you're like, I don't have those days. You don't have those days either. No, I don't. I don't. I actually don't. I know you better than that. No, I don't. I don't. I don't never. You know what I mean.

I do know what you mean. You have to, I think the interesting thing is you have to manage where you, your personal self are that day, but then you also have to manage yourself into where your character is that day. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Which is, like, take some work sometimes. It does. Yeah, yeah. And you have to figure that out as you go. Because sometimes, not that I mean I I don't give a shit when it's like I'm

I I care a little less, which relaxes me more. I'm the same person I'm going through the day in the same way. Right. But I'm a little bit more relaxed. Right. Which is probably happened later. And right. But it's a great thing because you don't need to be as anxious as you are. Yeah. They make jokes about Charlotte's wedding. You're a Huge. Oh my gosh, my sister's my real sister was you don't really see as close of them But you see two women. I remember that down the island. Yeah. Yeah, both my sisters and one of them passed away in

2019 she died of cancer. So yeah, but she got to walk me down the aisle So and with the swans. So with the swans and with the swans. And I always say, I always go like this. I always say, I go out when I was like, I danced, sang the single ladies and I danced so hard that I stepped on a swan and broke its neck. It was an accident. And I was like, who's had swans at their weddings? I didn't have swans at my real wedding. My real wedding was very... I'm sure it was. Eight people on my roof deck. That was it. And then we went to dinner afterwards. But you were in like a wedding by Michael Patrick King, which is a different situation. It was like a musical from the 40s. Oh yeah, that set was insane. I know, huge with the water and the

swans. We were all out in our trailers and you guys were in there for days and we'd all be like, hey, hey, does anyone know what's going on in there? Does anyone know what's going on in there? And then we would walk in like, hey, you guys, what are you doing? And it was like, it was the Liza Show, which of course was amazing. So we would stand in the back and watch the Liza Show and then it was the swans and it was the Gay Men's Health Chorus and that was you guys. We were like, well, someday they'll need us. And the four of us were dropped back out to our trailers.

Yeah. I know. It was really a long day. I don't think the studio was very happy with us, though. They were a little annoyed. Well, the show did well. It did well. The movie did well.

It did well. Both movies did well. It's true. Financially, both movies did well. The first movie did super great. Super great. Second movie, we caused too much. But that's OK.

We're not here to talk about that. It's OK. It's not our fault. But globally, they all do well, too. I know. That's much, but that's okay. We're not here to talk about that It's okay. It's not but globally they all do well. I know that's right, and we're lucky We are so lucky because cool radically comedy and women are not supposed to travel Hahaha, no, it's huge. I know baby Mario what are you a Charlotte? Part of me is yeah. Yeah, I think I like things in their place. I like lovely things.

Yes. I definitely have high anxiety. I definitely. Is that on the list? Yeah, oh yeah, and I definitely have to control things. Right, that should be on the list. That's definitely, yeah. Do you believe in love? Oh yeah, I do believe in love. I'm in it. You're happily married. I'm happily married and I'm a lucky, lucky man. Yeah. Because I would marry me.

I think I never thought no of that but I think if I had to say which one I was yeah what's the other part? Because I'm not a Carrie. Because you know Carrie goes through a lot of things and she's had a handful of relationships during this show right? Really only two important ones. Really only two important ones. Yeah. True. But go ahead. But yeah. I mean listen, Charlotte has Really only two important ones. Really only two important ones. Yeah. True, true. But go ahead.

I mean, listen, Charlotte has had a bunch of relationships. Yeah, she has. Because I always think about the later ones. Of course, no. Because she's single now. And I guess, you know, I'm partly Samantha because I'm a smart ass and I say stuff for sure.

And I don't think I'm a Miranda. I think she's- No Miranda? But you kind of do tell things like it is. Yeah I do. That's a Miranda quality. That's true, I do, that's true. You're right.

Tell it like it is. I just think she's such an intelligence about her too. But you're intelligent. Sometimes. But yeah, I think there's a lot of me in Charlotte and I had never thought that. Yay! That's very interesting.

I keep forgetting to ask people the question. Oh, it's a good question. I don't know why. I know it's a fun question. Psychologically, it's a great question. Your joy! Thanks for being here. Thank you so much, Kristin.

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