The Post-it That Ended It All with Jane Leeves... (S6 E6 "Hop, Skip, and a Week")
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03:08there's always more weird news waiting for you on bananas.Listen to bananas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,or wherever you get your podcasts.Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know,are you a Charlotte?Hi, everyone.Welcome back to Are You?you with Charlotte. Today we have a really fun guest. It's Jane Leaves, who you may know for many,
03:35many, many, many shows, but she was on Frazier for 11 years, 11 seasons. And she has a newbook coming out called Daphne and Me. And she has a lot of good memories and funny things to say.And we are going to rewatch hop, skip, and a week. It is episode 606, written by Amy Harris anddirected by Michael Engler. It's the Post-it note.that da-da-d-d-da-da-da. Enjoy. All right, this is exciting. It's a very big episode, but also we havethe incredible Jane leaves, who has a bunch of things to tell us about, one of which is her book,which we have an early, early copy of, Daphne and me. Let's start with a book, because as we weretalking about, I'm super fascinated by the process of writing a book. What was it like for you,
04:18and tell us what the book's about? It's terrifying. It was absolutely terrifying. I wasapproached to write it by a publishing company, and I said, no, no, sorry, I'm not that person.And my husband and my daughter said,Mum, if you want to write, if you write this, I will write it with you.How could I turn that down?Nice.My daughter, you know.Yes.
04:37And she's such a fantastic writer.So we said about doing it.And the hardest thing was because I didn't, I wanted to have character and I wanted it to have style.And the hardest thing was finding that.And it was my daughter who found the voice for it because she imitates me all the time.And so she actually found a sort of, it's a self-deprecating, because I'm English, but humor-driven book, about 11 years, concentrated 11 years of my life where I found success.I got married and I had children all in that time period.Amazing.
05:20So it was Frazier.Yes.Your time on Frazier, which was a great, great show, such a great show.And 11 seasons.That's crazy. I don't remember it being that long.Yeah. Wow.It's an incredible thing to look back on because, you know, as actors, we go from job to job to job.And six years, if you're lucky, seven sometimes.
05:39But 11 years is a huge chunk of life to be with the same people day and day out.Definitely.And it was, but it was an amazing experience for all of us.You know, Kelsey was already known.but the four of us, David, Perry, John and myself, you know, it was a unique experience.And I spoke with Jesse Tyler Ferguson about this because he had the same experience where you're suddenly on a hit show.It took off immediately.You didn't have time to sort of go, well, it's building momentum and we're getting there.
06:16It was out of the gate, this major hit.Nice.And the four of us, you know, we were lucky enough on our show to have a green room,which actors, you know, in theatre and what have you, a place where we can congregate.And we used to spend all our time in that green room and go through everything that we went through together.Nice.And guest cast would come in.And that was sort of important for me to sort of have a chapter about that,
06:42about how important it was to have this concentrated space where we went through births, deaths, marriages together.And also, guest stars would come in.We'd have the most amazing guest stars from James L. Jones to people like Buzz Aldrin, Elvis Costello.Wow.And they sort of all, there was something magical about that space where they sort of felt at the ease to open up.That's wonderful.Yeah, yeah, yeah.So it was a really, really life-changing experience.
07:12The thing I think is interesting to think about separate from it being kind of a magical space,that you guys created, this is in the days of network TV, right?So, like, this is important for our listeners,some of whom are maybe our age and some are younger.You know what I'm saying?Yes.Back in the olden days, we had, you know, it was a proper sitcom.Yeah.
07:33Or you guys were performing once a week in front of an audience, correct?Yeah.And so when you say a green room, you mean like a place where everyone could get together,not everyone in their trailers, right?So it was kind of a more communal.Absolutely.Yeah.We didn't have trailers.
07:47We inherited the soundstage frame.Cheers, our predecessor.And we had, there were six little dressing rooms in a corridor, two bathrooms at the endand this green room, and that was it.And I mean, not once did any of us say, I want a nice trailer.Yeah.But it would have changed the whole experience for us, I think.Definitely, definitely.
08:08But you really got to know each other because we were forced into this.You know, the dressing rooms were tiny with little cardboard walls in between them.Right.So the only space we had was that green room, really.Right, which is fantastic.Fantastic.And also, as we were talking about earlier, the cell phone wasn't really a factor then.Right.
08:26So, I mean, because if you think about it now, people may sit in that green room,but they probably be looking at their phones and scrolling.Yeah, that's a good point.That's a good point.I mean, I feel like it's both.Like, you know, if you're on a regular set with trailers, right?Then you have your chairs at Video Village.Yeah.
08:44Probably sitting around there.And then people have their phones.But then I find a lot of times, depending on the set and who's there,whatever, right? I do feel like people want to talk.Like, you know what I'm saying? So at a certain point, I feel like the phones come down.They do, yeah.And sometimes there's something, like I know when we were working on and just like that,there would be things that would happen, but then we would all talk about them, right?
09:05So you might see something happen on the phone, but then everyone would discuss,which I think is kind of what we're missing.Like, we need those, you know, experiences to be together.Absolutely, absolutely.And especially as actors, you know, that human connection is,vital. Yes. Yes. So true. So true. So in the process of writing the book, were you more thinkingabout kind of illuminating what it was like to be a part of Frazier? Yeah. Got it. Yeah. That was whatthe publishers were interested in. And so I just started doing that immediately. But then they said,
09:41no, we want to hear about your personal experience, what it was like for you. It has to be morepersonal. Of course it does. Right.But it was my daughter who really, really helped me do that because I'm a really private person and I don't really go anywhere or do anything.And so it took her to sort of pull stuff out of me.But it was such a great.It was great because now she's, you know, your kids are always your kids and you love them.And you can't really be their friend when they're young.But now I like to call her my best friend.
10:17That's nice.Which is lovely.I mean, she's still my baby, but she's also my best friend now.But she's an adult.Yeah.And I think we've gained a greater understanding of each other through doing this.Of course.Because so you were single when you got the show and then you met your husband during the show.
10:34You got married.Then you had her and your son.And my son.Oh, okay.So that's amazing for her to get to relive that with you through the process of writing the book.Because how would she ever know all these details?You probably would not have any reason to be telling her all these stories, right?And telling her stories about.
10:49how I met her dad and what it was like and the first date and how soon we moved in together and all thatstuff. That's so cute. How old is she? She's 25. Oh, that's perfect. And so she was already writing.She was a writer. Amazing. What a great experience. It was incredible. Yeah. I just, I'm so glad she pressuredme to do this because it really has, it's sort of informed our future relationship, I think. And we telleach other everything now. So I do think sometimes children can like push us in ways where we might noteven think of going. Oh, absolutely. You know? Yeah. It's really interesting. It is. I think that herunderstanding of me now because she she wrote the forward and she said, you know, I was always trying toprove your incompetence. That's interesting. Wow. So yeah, it's a it just takes it to a different
11:43level. It does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of introspection on both of your parts and then alsofor the relationship. But also I just think it's so interesting to be able to share who you werebefore you were a mother with your children. Oh, yes. And she, you know, I never sort of dwelt onmy past with her, but she saw the struggles I went through and, you know, I went to an all-girlsschool, a boarding school, and it was brutal. Oh. Oh, yeah. I mean, I talk about it in the book.I had a, it was a, I was studying to be a ballerina and, you know, I had teachers throwashtrays at me and, you know, it was crazy.Sometimes I think about the things we all went through and now you're like, our kids would
12:26never.Never.Never.Yeah.But she couldn't believe this was allowed.Definitely.Did you tell your mom?No, I didn't tell my mom.
12:36Oh, definitely.My mind, we have similar situations.Yeah.It didn't in our minds to go tell people.No, no.Right?We thought, oh, gosh, I'm so incompetent.That's why the ashtray was hurled in my direction.
12:49Right.And the teacher, when I duck, she said, don't duck.You know.And that's actually, just let it just.Oh, my gosh.Oh, my gosh.Oh, my gosh.Also, ashtray.
13:01She was smoking while she was teaching a ballet class.Oh, my God.Yeah.Well, I mean, it probably really set you up well for a business, right?Mm-hmm.Like hearing no isn't necessarily that hard.Yeah.you've had big ashage checked at you.
13:15Yeah, I think that's it.Interesting.Interesting.So when you, like, and I mean, I know this is a weird question,but I go through this about Sex and the City.You know, you never know when something's going to hit, right?You never know what you're going to be a part of.If it's going to work, if it's not going to work.
13:32If you're going to have a great experience and maybe it doesn't work.Do you know what I mean?You never know, right?Yes, you just don't know.And I mean, I feel like Frazier had these incredible, you know,it was a spinoff of cheers, which we're.was an incredible show and you had Kelsey Grammer who was very well known playing the very muchbeloved character. But did you really have a sense when it began that it was going to be
13:51just this like canon? Yeah. You did. It was magical. It was magical from the start. I think what wasso great was that we walked, you know, cheers left. We inherited their crew, their director.Oh, nice. A few of the writers. Wow. You know, we just walked into this well-oiled machine.Yeah, that doesn't happen.And I credit Jimmy Burrows as well.The great, the great Jimmy Burroughs.Yeah.He just had a way of building confidence in you and building confidence in the writers and the producers.
14:29Definitely.You know, he just, anybody who worked on a set with Jimmy was empowered.Yes, absolutely.Absolutely.No, he really was.Also, because he was such a confident leader.Like he just had that ease, like confident ease, not like a pushy leader.Just like everything's great.
14:49You've got this.You know, like I did, he was doing Will & Grace and I was a guest star on there.And I knew him.Yeah, I knew him, but I had never worked for him.So it was so nice to experience the magic, you know.And I was so nervous because we didn't perform in front of an audience, right?And that's partly why I wanted to do it because I felt like this.is kind of a very, very specific thing to do a truly old-fashioned sitcom where the cameras are
15:18moving around and you're not really moving around that much. But the speed with which he doeseverything. Yes, you have to be on it. Right. But then he would sometimes tell me to slow down.Oh, really? Yes. Like in his way where he would go like, wait three beats here. And then a magicallaugh would happen. And you would just be like, how does he know? Right. Yeah. How does he know?But that's the thing. It's like he gives you all these skills and he.He makes you think you've come up with it, you know?It was just amazing.Definitely.
15:45And was he there the whole time?No.He did most of the first season.Amazing.And then he said, you don't need me anymore.And he was off, you know.Right, right, right.I mean, he held so many of us on so many shows.
16:00So many.That was the joy of Jimmy.You look at the legacy he's left behind.Oh, it's incredible.It's incredible.It's incredible.Did you watch the comeback?Did you see him acting on the comeback?
16:09I did.It was like nice and, and,painful at the same time. Yeah, yeah. I'm so happy Michael got him to do that, though. Oh, it was awonderful thing, yeah. He and Lisa spoke at Jimmy's memorial about him, and it was so funny.Yeah. Yeah. His memorial was so funny, just really funny and uplifting. Perfect. And you just lookedaround and you just saw these fabulous actors and comedians and crews that he worked with.You know, and he touched so many. He touched so many.lives. Absolutely. And he changed
16:44the waymost peoplein that areaof comedy work now.I agree. What was greatabout him was he encouraged discussion.Was that your experiencewith him? Oh, for sure. I mean, when
16:59I was there,there wasn't that much need for discussion. It waskind of later in the show, right? So everyonewas really confident and he set everybody up.He was there a lot, right?I think there was some drama with the writer.when I was there, the headwriters, I think, had been pushed out.It was like some crazy thing was going on where I was just like,
17:17what is happening?But because he's so calm, you were just like, well, Jimmy's got it.You know what I mean?Like, he's, you just do whatever Jimmy says and you'll be fine, you know?Our creators said that, you know, they previously worked on a sitcom,the Jeffersons, I think it was.And when they were brought over to Cheers to be writers,they were watching a run through rehearsal.
17:41And the writer went over to Jimmy and said,I have a question for Woody, could you ask him?And he says, standing right there, honey, tell him yourself.But he encouraged that open dialogue between the actors, the writers,all departments, and it made it so creative.Right.You didn't feel like your voice wasn't heard.Definitely.
18:03You had a voice.Every single creative person had a voice.Well, that is one thing I had noticed when I went and did friends,because friends at the point that also later in the showwhen I did a guest star on Friends,they had, I want to say, 10 writers, like so many writers.And it was very much that there was like an actor campand a writer's camp in kind of an old school way, right?
18:26Whereas like on Sex and the City, Michael made it that every writer,like whoever show it was, they were there all the timebecause it wasn't, you know, the official sitcom way to filmwe were single camera.And so we all knew the writers anyway and they were always aroundand then the one who wrote it was thereand, you know, very much a part of every scene.And if you had questions.
18:46They were there, absolutely, absolutely.And even before, like, if we did the read-throughand then we had questions, you know, it was like a process.They were part of the process.But doesn't that sort of invite creativity?Absolutely.Because an actor can say to a writer,I'm not sure I understand.
19:01Oh, I understand it now.Yeah, yeah.The writing girl, oh, that's a great idea.Definitely.Yeah, go definitely.Definitely, definitely.And I think it was very, you know, like, not necessarily.since really the case in the olden days that there was that free discussion.
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23:54podcast.Let's talk again about the book, just so I'm sure I've got all the details.Oh, you're so sweet.When does it come out?October 20th.Awesome.Awesome.And are you just going to do like a whole press tour?
24:13Oh, yes.I've got the book tour.I think we're on a plane every day for like six days or something.Wow.You just go from city to city.Fun.Yeah.I'm really looking forward to sort of meeting, you know,
24:25know, the Frazier fans, who I'm hoping will buy the book, but it's really nice when youmeet people who love your show.Absolutely.I'm sure you know that when they come up to you and they say, I don't mean to bother you,but I just want to say it.And I'm like, you're not bothering me.I love to hear that.That's nice.
24:40Yeah, absolutely.Absolutely.I think also for the Frazier fans, I feel like, like, my parents were massive, massive Frazierfans, you know, and just huge, Cheers fans and Kelsey fans and all of the above.You know, I feel like sometimes, I feel like the world has moved so quick.You know, we're now in this crazy streaming world where people are lucky if they get three seasons.Yes.You know, so it's just a very, very different world.
25:03And I feel like our world that we started in, you know, meaning like how it used to be structured and that you could be a fan for a long time.And people miss that.Yeah, I think so.I think there's just, you know, the, it's just so much to watch now.There's too much.Yeah, it's too much.Yeah.Sort of the talent pool has been stretched to its limits.
25:24Yeah, and there's something sort of comforting about having your show that you watch every week.Yes, it's a connection.And a connection.And the family would sit around and watch.Yes.Yes.I think people miss that.I think.
25:36Because everybody's off in their different rooms watching their thing.I know.What are we going to do?I know.Bring them back together.Right.I mean, there's just so few shows that you can do that with now.Yeah.
25:47I mean, in general, but also now I don't even know.Like, it would be really hard to find a show that my son, my daughter and I all like.All like.I mean, movies, I feel like there are more.And that's why the family movies do so well at the theaters.And then they're always, like, surprised.And I'm like, why?We need something, people.
26:05I need something to take the kids to me.Let's talk about this particular episode of Sex and a City, which is a Trip and a Half, man.Oh, my God.We are finally at a hop, skip, and a week, which is also like the weirdest title.Like sometimes they're like, what were we thinking of their titles?It's a great title, though.You like it?Yes, I do.
26:23good. I mean, it's super, it's super interesting, and she does say it or whatever in the voiceover.And this is the episode. I mean, it's directed by Michael Engler, written by Amy Harris. We had Amyon, and I feel like we talked a little bit about, I think this was her second script. I want to saythat she had her name out by herself. Yeah. She'd been around for a long time. She was Darren'sassistant when we started. Wow. Yeah, and he really was her big, you know, mentor. And then he, when he leftMichael Patrick was like, yes, Amy, you have to write a script by yourself.You're ready.Do it.
26:57And she talked about how the first one she wrote that she just cried for like a week.Like funny things that you would never, never know, know or think about, you know, just this stress of it all.Yeah.And trying to be responsible.And finally having the opportunity as well.Yes.Yes.Yes.
27:12It's a lot.It's a lot.A lot for a young writer.And this is a big episode.It's a huge episode.I mean, so much happens.And the thing whenever we do talk to one of our writers, because at this point, I think we hadsix women writers and Michael Patrick.
27:25Oh, wow.Right.Michael is the one that people are usually aware of.And so it's been really great to have the women on and hear them talk about it.I worked with Michael Patrick.He was on Murphy Brown.Yeah, exactly.Exactly.
27:35Yeah, he's great.Yeah, he's so great.He's so great, of course.And he ran a really, you know, he runs a tight ship, like in the olden days,but also like a very, he's promoting people and bringing people along the whole,the whole way, which is so nice.Yeah.And they're all still.
27:52good friends and we all see each other.It's amazing, yeah.Are you friends with your writers?We are, yeah.These are them?Yeah.Yeah.All of your writers.
28:00Yeah, we, we, we, we, we, all, I still see casting directors, writers.That's nice.That's nice.Yeah, definitely, definitely.Well, we all just work together, you know.Yes, yes.So yes, yes.All good friends.
28:11That's fantastic.I know.It was really nice.All right.So what did you, did you watch Sex and City back in the day?Oh, yeah.What was your, okay.Yeah.
28:18Okay.One that hit me particularly was the one where Miranda's mom.Yeah, my motherboard myself.That's a great episode, great episode.That was our two writers who write together, Julie and Elisa, that was their first script for us.Isn't that insane?Insane.I know.
28:34Michael Patrick went to them and said, I think you need to write Miranda's mom's death.And they were like, what?He said, you can do it.I mean, that had such depth to it.Right?They're great writers.They're great writers.They were on and just like that.
28:47Yeah.Yeah, they're lovely, lovely people.And this episode as well.You know, there's one moment in there that you are breathtaking.Thank you.It's when you see Harry for the first time.It looks like a 1940s movie shot, you know, when you see your face.It was so beautiful.
29:06Thank you so much.Thank you.That was very stressful, I remember.Yeah.Why?Because Michael Engler, the director,tell me if you've ever had this experience yourself as an actress.So we were in rehearsal, and we were.
29:21were shooting in a location and it was very dark. It had no windows. It was like a basement or something.In a synagogue maybe it was something so like not beautiful, right? But they were going to try tomake it look better. So you know, when you get to a location, there's a lot of like stress and hurry,scurry, trying to make it look better. So we're in the rehearsal and I knew this was very important,right? Because I mean, Michael would always include us and talk about the whole arc and, you know,this is going to happen. And then this is going to happen. So I'd had it in my head, right, that we were going tohave the breakup and that then we were going to have this and it was you know i'd had a while to work onit yeah so i had a really deep you know emotional thing i'd been working on because charlotte had been
30:03so mean to harry when they break up like really said things she should never never never have said rightand has to kind of live in that you know for a while and the you know deep regret and sorrow for beingso mean to him you know even though he wasn'tperfect himself, but she didn't have to be how she was, you know?So I had really worked hard on it.So we're in rehearsal.And Michael Engler said to me in rehearsal, they're scurrying around trying to get stuff.And he's talking about how he's going to move the camera where like, because they say the two women are saying like the good looking guy left.
30:41There's just the fat.Right.Exactly.So that he's moving the camera during then.And so then he goes, so Kristen, show me, you know, what you're going to do.do. And I was like, um, what? Can't really, can't really show you right now what I'm going to do.I'm just going to save it. And he goes, no, no, no, I need to see it. I know. I know. So I wasstressing just like your face just now. So I was like, because I really needed to protect it.
31:08You know, yeah, you're trying to protect it. So that it is, you know yourself as an actor.Say, don't make me do this. Exactly. You regret it. That's what I said. You know yourself as an actor.Exactly. So then I go to my trailer.She said, knock at the door.Open the door.And it's Michael and Amy, the writer.And she's just standing there.She doesn't know what to do.
31:27And they're like, you know, you need to show us.And I'm like, in the trailer, I said, you got to trust me.You got to trust me.So then I had to like hide until it was time.Like I went to the makeup trailer.Did you know me?Like I was trying to hide to like protect.Because you know yourself.
31:44You know, and at that point I was pretty confident that I had it.But I wasn't going to have it if I had to keep showing them.leading up to cameras rolling, you know?That's a magical moment and you say that.And here's the thing, Jimmy Burrows, if we did a, you know, if we had, I rememberhaving this really emotional scene with Niles.It may not have been Jimmy.It was someone.
32:04And they said, right, we don't need to see that until we shoot it.Nice.Nice.That's them understanding because all you're trying to do is recreated.Right.You're trying to, you're not living in that moment.Right.You're trying to recreate that moment.
32:18That's right.That's right.That's right.So your instincts were, you know.Right.And I'm so glad I followed them.I was scared because I'm usually a really good girl and I do what they want.But in this time, yeah.
32:28Yeah, yeah.Totally.It was.It was visceral.Yeah, yeah.And I mean, I'm so happy with that.You know, it's one of those times where you're like, thank God I listen to my instincts, right?And I turned out.
32:38And I had the confidence to do that.Definitely.Definitely.Definitely.But I remember being so stressed about it, you know.But also really, like it's an actor when you know that you're going to have an opportunity to do,a good emotional scene that's important to the arc,you know, so important to Charlotte, right?
32:55You want to be able to really be thereand be present to all of it.And thank God it worked.And a good director, you know,we'll understand that.Right.I mean, yeah, whatever.Leave it alone.
33:06I don't know what's up with him, but whatever.No, Jimmy would like, if we were over-rehearsing something,he'd come up and bat us on the heads and say,leave it alone, leave it alone.No way.Save something for the audience.I love that.Yeah.
33:19That was something I learned from him.It's like if it's there, don't mess with it.Leave it alone.Amazing.Do you mean like if you were like getting hair makeup and running it or like casually?I remember it was Niles and Daphne meeting each other for the first time.And Jimmy works a lightning pace.You know, he rehearsed the scene once and the moving on.
33:40And then David and I went off into a corner and said, what if?We were fiddling around.And Jimmy came up and said, leave it alone.Oh, interesting.Leave it alone.Interesting.Interesting.But he always wanted.
33:49us to have something to discover when the studio audience were present.Right.So it was alive.Alive.Yeah, yeah, yeah.That's so cool.That also makes it so exciting as an actor when you're actually rolling and the audienceis there.
34:05It makes it alive.It changes everything, you know, it informs you.You know, oh, they think that's funny.Oh, okay.Right.That's a great part of a sitcom is you get that immediate response.Yeah.And then what I did Will and Grace, Michael Patrick came to do like the
34:19punch up on the floor, you know.And there were a bunch of writers, and it was so cool because you've rehearsed and you'velearned all your lines and everything, but then they'll just throw something new at you.Did you guys do that at Frasier?Yeah.In the middle of filming.They go, oh, wait a minute.Say this.
34:33Yeah.Try this.Love that.Yeah.It's exciting.Yeah.It's exciting.Yeah.
34:36And I just think there's not that many people who know how to do that as a writer and actors as well, and I don'teven know now.I mean, I heard that sitcoms are kind of coming back or something.Really?Something.Hopefully.I mean, I hope there's enough of us around there still know how to do it, you know?And we'd love to do it, yeah.
34:52Right?Yeah.I mean, that is something.Because it's like watching, even though it's not live on TV, it is live there and then.And so you get that, you get the feeling, you get the energy of that, you know, when you watch it.Definitely.Definitely.All right, let's talk about Sex and the City, which was not live.
35:20Okay.Though it was alive, definitely, but it wasn't live.The thing that's really the most fascinating,I had not remembered the Post-it.Now, the Post-it lives on, obviously.But I had not remembered how they get to the Post-it.And I didn't think it was coming in this episode.And then I was like, oh, my God, it's here.
35:40But then the next episode, I think she takes it and shows it to us.Which is what I had somehow remembered more of.I didn't remember how it all went down at the very end when you least expect it.Yeah.And I always thought, maybe that's not from him.Maybe it's something he was writing.I kept thinking, that can't be.Me too. Me too. And even though I know that it is him, I know it is him and I know it's coming, but I was like, no, look, they're making up. And then you're like, oh, no. And he brought their pink carnations. But I knew in my mind I had a negative association with the pink carnations because then she hits them. It's so good. I know I know I'm to the end of the episode, you guys, but I was obviously really surprised because I didn't think the Post-It was coming. I thought the Post-it was not in Amy's episode. I'm so confused now about, because I think it's all-
36:27Liz Techillo wrote it.It does come up in the next step.It comes back. Okay, got it.Got it.I think the next episode must be Liz Techillo's.She has a new show called.It's called.What is it called?
36:38Hold on.It's got, um, oh, an actor I love so much.I can't remember his name.It's, it's on Hulu and Fox, I think.It's called The Best Medicine.There's a new show.That's based on that English show.What is that in?
36:52Oh.Doc Martin.Oh, I didn't know this.Yes.Well, cool.Yeah.Josh Charles.Yes.
36:59He's so great.He's so great.Abigail Spencer.It's adorable.And so that's Liz to Chillo show, who was our final writer that we added towards this season, which is season six.So almost at the end of the show.Did you know it was the final season when you were doing it?Yes.
37:15Yes.We did.We did.I was in some denial, though.I kept saying like, why?Why?Why?But I didn't know that we were.
37:26going to, well, we, we were supposed to do a movie, but it wasn't definite. And so I was very hopefulthat we would do the movie, which is the only reason I got through ending. But then it took a numberof years, but then we did do the movie, then we did it, just like a movie, then we did it, just like aworked out. Yes, yes. But at the time, Sarah had just had her first child, Cynthia had had anotherchild. And I think that the, I'm wanting to have Michael Patrick back on to discuss, but I thinkthat writing a weekly showand not that we were weekly in the way that you guyswere, Fraser was weekly or a sitcom is
37:59weekly, but just writing a showis so hard andkeeping the quality, you know, where youwant it's impossible.My hat is off to these people.Absolutely. That is all the work. That isthe work that's been, you know.And like the weight of the
38:15responsibility and he, at thetime, because I went to him privately, I was like,do we have to end?Maybe you don't. You know.Because I felt like they could just, like, I just felt like they could just do anything.You know what I mean?And if they wanted to, they could keep going.But I think he felt that he, you know, they just wanted the quality to stay up where it was and where it had been.
38:37And the pressure of all of that and keeping it going, keeping all the fans happy.And, you know, it's a lot.And then also just production in New York was so hard, you know.I'm sure expensive.Super expensive.Though we were making a lot of money for each of bill.So it was fine.Yeah.
38:52But, you know, yeah, for sure.It's an expensive thing.That was definitely a big part.It must have been challenging shooting in New York.It is.It still is.You know what I mean?And I think when we did do it, just like that, one of the stresses was that Michael
39:06Patrick always feels like and Sarasca both that the fans are expecting this glorious version of New York.So we needed to shoot at the, you know, ballet, right?That was a very expensive location.Like we just couldn't, it got to a point where you're just having to.almost top yourself in terms of the beauty and the glory and the locations and the clothes and the this and the bad and it gets to be just kind of impossible.And I think we were 20 million an episode at that point.Whoa.Yeah.
39:38Yeah.Which is a lot, obviously.That is a lot.And then they had the pit where they were like, I don't know what they've got it down to, but it's they've got the cost down, which, you know, is still brilliant, brilliant show.Yeah.Just a different type of a show.Yeah.And also, look, look.
39:53locations and I did a medical drama of five years.And the great thing was I was so happy wearing scrubs every day.It was like, so.I can't imagine.It was like, get out of your pajamas and put on some pajamas.Amazing.And I was so thrilled to go to work and put on.And, you know, they have sets.
40:14Yeah.You're not on location everywhere.Yeah.Occasionally you will go on location, but it's contained.Yes.I know.I've never really been on one of those.not ongoingly, you know?
40:25I can only imagine.It must be also somewhat, like, I guess it just really puts the focus on the work, right?Because you've got to kind of generate the newness or excitement or whatever it is, which is.And the jeopardy and the, yeah.Yes, the jeopardy.The medical shows.Oh, and the blood and the gore.The blood and the gore.
40:45I've never had to do that, and I'm really glad.So, you know, I'm open.I'm open to being a doctor.Sure, why not?All right.Let's discuss Burger.What do you think of burger?Insecure.
40:55Insecure.Just completely.I know that guy.He's insecure.You can't say one thing that he will, that wouldn't even be about him and he'd make itabout him.Well, when she asked him if you're going to write at the beginning and he goes off on a thing.Yeah.
41:12That's not good.Yeah.That's not good.Yeah.No.No, red flags everywhere with that guy.Yeah.Red flags.
41:20I dated someone like that once for five minutes.Yeah. Did you? And I made a comment about his hands or something and he goes,what's that supposed to mean? I'm like, I'm just, your hands are very nice. But I still,to this day, don't know what he was inferring from that. Maybe it was a size thing. I don't know.Oh, no. Oh, dear. But it was just so insecure. And yeah. And we'd go out and he'd say,I saw you looking at that guy. And I'm going to look. What? Are you kidding? Yeah. And I'm like,well, that is just insulting to me. You know, but I think it's, I think, I think,When you see Berger, you see that sort of insecurity.
41:56I don't think he could ever find happiness because he'd always be questioning every single comment out of your mouth, every, everything, you know.Yeah.I do know.It's interesting.I feel like I have not seen these episodes.Like, I know I have, but it's uncomfortable.Yeah, it's uncomfortable.And when you're, you know, you've had that.
42:21The bad date.Yeah.And you go and sit and have dinner with them.And he starts, you know, and you say, he bought me carnations.I know.And then he's like, men can't win.Yeah.I know.
42:31It's awkward.It's awkward.I hadn't remembered that either.He doesn't, he doesn't understand women.That's what I feel.I agree.I agree.And the interesting thing is that earlier in the relationship, he goes out when she's
42:45introducing all of us to him.And this is when he tells Miranda, he's just not that into you.And because we're asking, how's your,date going. She's like, I think it went well, but he didn't come up and he said he had to workor whatever. And we all think, well, we're like, that's so mean that he's just not that into you.But then on the other hand, Miranda likes it, right? Because she feels like it's kind of cutting throughthe overthinking thing that women sometimes do, trying to analyze their behavior, whatever. But thenyou think back on it and you're like, that's kind of his whole relationship to women, right?
43:18It's like, he's looking for, it's almost like he's looking for trouble.Yeah.He's looking for clues.Yeah.You know, instead of like getting to know the person and connecting, he's just looking for, what does that mean?What, what, what, you know, it's, it's interesting because it makes me think about the fact that he's a writer too.And the thing that I like with Carrie, the only thing I like is the fact that they're both writers and they can have in the beginning this kind of repartee about words and things, right?But then also he's he's kind of looking underneath everything in a way that you would think a writer might.
43:54But it's like a cynical look underneath, not a kind of generous look underneath.Yeah, exactly.That's exactly it.So he's not really generous about like maybe, you know, Charlotte doesn't like carnations, but she still loved Harry.Because at one point I say, you know, Harry was bald and fat, but I still loved him, whatever.I don't say those words, but you don't know what I'm saying.I say whatever he didn't.He's bald and he eats with his mouth.
44:18Right, right. Full, full. He talks with his mouth. Right, right, right.Which he did do a lot of in the beginning, which I remember him, Evan, being just so funny with.So funny. But it's interesting to watch the two of them and it's like, I can't even believe how hard they try. Do you mean?Like I'm like, Carrie, oh, Lord. You just say, don't give up.Totally. Get rid of him. Definitely. I'm very much like that. I don't, I was very pragmatic always about relationships.I would just go, no, that's not going to work, bye-bye.Yeah, that's, yeah, no, that thing there.Somehow it sounds better with your accent.
44:55But I think it's because I was in, you know,I was a struggling actress.I was just like, you know, surviving.I was trying to survive and I didn't have,I didn't have space for that in my life.It was just like, no, sorry, bye-bye.That makes sense.Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
45:10I was never really like that.I wish I was like that.I wish I was like that.And I do think it's interesting.I mean, the one thing I like about,it is it's such a different side of Carrie.Yes.That you're seeing her make this effort.
45:21Yeah.And I think that that's great to try something different and to really hang in there.But also I'm like, oh, man.The pain on her face.The pain on her face.Totally.When he breaks up with her in the cap, you know, we're not breaks up since we need a break.When he's like weird.
45:34It's just weird.It's very weird.It's very blunt and bye.And also it's very like she says, well, shouldn't we go upstairs and talk about it?And he's like, no, I don't need to talk about it.Which is like, oh.See, that's shutting a person out of your emotional.life as well. Right. Right. No, I don't think he really ever opened up to her about his own life.
45:52I think that's a point. Did he have one? See, I'm, I'm a hate. Does he? Is he even in touch withhimself? I think is the major question. And if you think about Aiden and you think about Big,neither of whom is perfect, right? There is at least, even with Big in the early years,there's something underneath. They're aware of themselves. And they have an emotional life.Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Even.big and that's saying a lot. Yeah.They're saying a lot.It's really interesting.
46:21Yeah, with Berger, you just got the feeling that there wasn't much of an emotional life.It was just struggling, struggling to be himself.There's just a dark.It's dark.It's dark in there.You don't want to be in there.No.No.
46:36Sorry.Bye-bye.Off you go.I know.I know. It's also so interesting to me because as much as the post it lives on is like a thing.Like my daughter has a gift actually from our producer of the podcast.It's a sweatshirt that on the back says, I can't, don't hate me,which is really funny and people laugh when they see it because it's such a teen kind of a thing to say.
46:57Yeah.Right?It makes sense.But it's so watching it play out on the show is so much worse than I really had any memory of.It's almost like there was no, you know, it's almost like he hadn't emotionallygrown since being an adolescent or a teenager, you know.Yeah, totally.I need to find out who they wrote this about to because someone was having a relationship.
47:23This must have been modeled on someone.Right.Yeah, because it's so,precise.Right.But also,I think they've just kept it to themselves this whole time because a lot of the other people,I know who it was modeled on.
47:33This I do not know and I really need to know now because, man.Did that happen a lot where things came from people?Because it was really their lives.It wasn't our lives because that would also be very uncomfortable.and weird. But it wasa lot of different things. They were allsingle women at the time, you know, living inNew York, writing on the show, but also
47:51trying, and sometimes, some,of the success issues that Burgerand Carrie have, I think were also them.Because here they are these, like,you know, women in their 30s having this hugesuccess. Yeah. And that's got to beodd for other, you know, people trying to bein the same business or whatever, men dating
48:09these women, you know, awkward and strange.Yeah. So I like that part.I know because when I met my husband, he was, he just started working as an executive at Paramount.And we met and it was immediate.And I loved him and, you know, but he said to me afterwards, he said, you know, I thought immediately she's an actress.I'm so boring.I'm going to have to go out and buy a motorbike and a new comforter, you know.And I was like, me on a motorbike, are you insane?
48:36But he thought, you know, he thought that like actresses needed someone, you know.I get it.I know the stereotype.So that, you know, that your writers probably experience the same sort of thing, you know.Oh, definitely.Like successful women.Yeah.Oh, very successful.
48:53Yeah, yeah, yeah.Definitely.Because Berger does have a whole motorcycle story.Yeah.Did you remember?Yeah, it was pretty funny.And then he takes Carrie on it and she's not happy and it's not good.So he's falling right into it.
49:06Yeah, he's falling right into it, isn't he?He really is the whole, the whole time.I just think she.she's so cute how she tries.It's just a sweet side of Carrie.There is a really sweet sight to her in that.It's the hope.A hopefulness.
49:21Yeah.Before she descends into the darkness.Yeah.It's the hopefulness.And I think that's also why at the end,I mean, first of all,being broken up with on a post-it note is never okay, obviously.But second of all, that she's tried so hard.
49:35It makes it so much more painful.But also, thank God he's gone.And I can't wait to see next weekand what all we're going to go through to process this or whatever.But I mean, thank the Lord.Oh, there was so many.Excellent.Yeah, from the get-go there was.
49:50Yeah.So this is, let's talk again about Charlotte.So there's a little funny little thing in here in that Mariska Haggertes' husband.Yes.Yes.And he also comes back on it just like that.And I remember it being so funny.And people would say like, oh, remember he was on his name.
50:07What's his name?Oh, my God.I can't remember his name.Herman.Peter.Peter Herman.Thank you so much.Excellent.
50:11excellent job.I had forgotten.I knew he was in the mix of when I'm trying to date againand the moms at the synagogueare trying to fix me up with their sons.But I thought that I walked and talked with him.I didn't remember that he comes to the mixerand asks me if I want to go home and fuck
50:29and I'm like, no, thank you.No, thank you.Awkward.Your response to was so funny because it was like,yeah, because it was like, if somebody said to me,I'm like, no.I know.But you were just like, um, no.
50:40I know.Well, Charlotte's been through a lot by this point in time.You know what I mean?That's true.It did seem a little bit like, like everyone's asking you these questions.But it was almost like you were at the end of, you know, you've heard it all.I'm at the end of it.I've been out with every single, you know, do-person.
50:57Definitely.Most definitely.No.Definitely.Exasperated.No.Just, no.I know.
51:04It's funny.It's funny.It's funny.Not like.It would really surprise me that that was Peter.I was like, oh, my God.I can't believe that's what we had Peter Duke.back in the day. I remember him being around. I remember him being on the set and I remember
51:15talking about Mariska. I didn't remember that that's what we made him do. They lived two doors downfrom us when she was on a break. She was pregnant. And they had their son. Yeah. That's nice. It was sosweet. What a lovely, what a lovely family. I mean, thank God they're still together. It's nice.Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. I mean, she's like doing so great.Oh, wasn't she great on the Emmy? It did not watch, but I'm sure. She was great.Impressive.Very impressive.Be able to do that.
51:42She was full of glamour and class.I heard she changed her clothes a lot.I love that.Why not?Yeah.Why not?People are show.You know what I mean?
51:48I would never do that.I'd be too lazy.I mean, I can't even imagine myself hosting.I think I would just die a million deaths from nerves.Yeah.But sometimes it can distract you, you know.To put on a different frock.Definitely.
52:01Okay.Okay.Yeah.Maybe.Yeah.I'd just be like, no, no, I don't have time for that.Concentrate, concentrate.I can't put on another frock.
52:09No, that's true.That's true.too.It does distract you in that way, but then sometimes that's a good thing.You know what I mean?Yeah.Yeah.Absolutely.
52:17Yeah.Absolutely.But I'm just, I'm lazy with clothes.Are you?That's all right.Yeah.But that's why I can live through other people's looking great.But I'm shopping for clothes.
52:32I don't like shop.I don't.I think that they think that all actors is like shopping.Right.And I don't know why.You must have that because of the show and the fashion.But I don't. None of us shop.No.
52:42No.I mean, I just think we've spent too many hours in fittings for it to be fun.Yeah.Do you know what I mean?Yeah.Like I hate to shop.I very rarely try anything on.I often regret that, right?
52:53I'm like, why didn't I try this on?I just walk in somewhere and buy it or I'll buy it online.I buy it online.Right.I buy a pair of jeans online.Right.Jeans and T-shirts.I wear the same jeans every day and the same t-shirts.
53:07Well, if this is your T-shirt, it's very nice.No, this is not my t-shirt.Okay, got it.I've had this for about five, six, seven years.Very nice.But I wear their American vintage, the Jacksonville T-shirt.Okay.I've got like thousands of them.
53:22Nice.And that's all I wear.Listen, I'm the same.I just wear like a James Perth t-shirt.Yeah.What this is.Very nice.Yes, thank you so much.
53:30I know, it's funny the perception of actors versus how we really are.Yeah.Well, because when they see us in these roles and then whenever we're on a red carpet orsomething all glammed up. We didn't do any of that. That's a part of a job.Yeah. Somebody else did all that. We hired them.Yes.Thank God. These angels exist. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God for the angels. Yes. All right. Let'stalk about Samantha, because this is when we have the lovely Smith boyfriend.
53:56I mean, he is so great. He's so good looking.So, so good looking, but also just so good with her. Yeah.Because he's so simple. It's the perfect compliment.There's a guileness to him, you know.Definitely.Hello?What's your favorite scary podcast?Our radio presents the soundtrack to your October.
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58:53on our iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.I love the whole storyline.I had only vaguely remembered that they put the poster,which he told us was CGI,that they wouldn't let us actually put the poster up in Times Squarebecause he was too naked, apparently.I know pretty funny.But I had totally forgotten the gays and the girls,
59:19and I'd forgotten that he thinks that he's going to get some serious acting.But then in the end, he does.Yeah.Which is so nice.That was a surprise, because I was thought, oh, gosh, you know,this is going to crash and burn.and destroy him and her.Right.
59:32And I love their, I love the vibe between Samantha and Smith.Like she knows more than he does.He's also got his fears and his insecurities, but he's really open about it.Like, is this really going to work?And she's like, trust me.And it's so nice.They have a very complimentary vibe.Yeah.
59:49Like, you know, he's very, very relaxed and chill.Even though he's worried this isn't going to work, the way he goes about it is like pretty calm, you know?And the way she.goes about her plan is pretty calm.Yeah. And trusting. Yes.So trusting. Trusting. Yeah. Yes.It's really refreshing. It is.It is. So different for her.
01:00:09Such a, um, such an important part of any relationship is trust. And you never really see hertrust anybody. Like she was with the Richard person who was like this big wig,but she never trusted him. Then, you know, when, when she tells him, don't tell him anyoneyou're in a relationship. But as he's single, it bites her, you know. Totally.Totally bites her.It's so true. It's so true. Yeah. It's really interesting.And you can see she's far more invested than she would ever, ever, you know, admit to.Yes. Yes. Samantha's interesting. She's really interesting. Yeah. And it's interesting to rewatch because at the time, you know, because of her boldness, that's what kind of the focus was always on was that she was, you know, unlike any other character and kind of like a man, but a woman and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when you look back, there's so much vulnerability, you know.
01:00:58Yeah. Yeah.Yeah.And you see glimpses of it with this relationship.You know, not just when she says that, you know, don't, you know, don't tell anyone you're in a relationship.That's not what this is.Anyway, you know, but when she doubts herself, when they're at the bus stop looking at the poster and he's like, this, you know.Yeah.And she's not sure.
01:01:22And she makes the face.Yeah.The frowny face.Yeah.She told Carrie not to make you there.And you see that she's not.as, you know, sure about this.It's really sweet.
01:01:32It is sweet.Isn't that funny to say about Samantha?Exactly.Yeah, no, it's really sweet.And I love them together so much.And who would ever have really realized that?Like, it's interesting.All right.
01:01:43Let's talk about Miranda because I'd also forgotten her storyline.And, you know, she has less screen time, but I think it's really interesting becauseit's basically the thing that I laughed a few times during this episode.One of the times was when so after she goes in and there, and there.They say like you've been late and you have been working that hard.And then she goes back to say, I've got to change this.You know, I've really got to cut back a lot to 50 hours.I have 50 hours.
01:02:09Okay, 55.I know.It's so cute and funny.How haven't we all been there?Oh, my God.Yeah, we can never cut back though.It doesn't work that way.It doesn't.
01:02:18No.I mean, but the thing is that, you know, it just highlights the fact that we as women,we carry all the guilt about that.We carry all the guilt.You never see a man go to work and say,I feel so guilty about leaving the kids today.Oh, I know.You know.
01:02:34Oh, I know.I mean, it's societal.I know.But we put it on ourselves because basically my husband was fantastic.And whenever I was working, he was at home.He just said, I'm going to be daddy.That's amazing.He said, this is the job I was born for anyway.
01:02:47I'm going to be dad.So it gave me the freedom.But still, still.Yeah.The guilt.Listen, the guilt.I'm with you.I mean, I'm a single mom, right?
01:02:55So I definitely have the guilt.but also the thing that makes me laugh,and when I watch this storyline with Miranda,it really reminds meI really felt, like, physically,that I shouldn't leave my child when she was a baby.They don't know.Like, it's so funny.
01:03:14No, they don't.But you really don't feel that.Yes, you physically cannot let go of that child.My mother actually said to me once,I'm going to have to have that child surgically removed from your arms.but you know what the great thing is that my husband said to me he said because I said I I missed I missed certain things and he said but you know what you you showed them you showed your kid that you can work and they don't have those stereotypes in their minds totally no I agree I agree my son and my daughter and see a woman can go to work and daddy can stay home you know nice really nice yeah yeah yeah yeah that's really nice so I just keep telling myself that but no it'sGood.I mean, look, no one is there 100%, right?
01:03:59And then the other thing is that even if you are there,sometimes you can physically be there,but the stress makes it too hard to emotionally be there.There's so many different, like, subtleties within it, you know?We just do the best we can.Yes, and it's enough.It's enough.It is.
01:04:15I also think, like, it's something kind of weird.Like, you don't feel it at the time.You feel like, I've got to be there all the time.And she's going to know somehow if it's not me putting her to bed,which is also like a weird thing.Like if you have a wonderful nanny or a, you know,like my mom would come a lot when I,when my first daughter was little.
01:04:32She loves her grandma.Like this is so important.It's so important for them to have bonds with other people.But at the time,you have so much pressure in the back of your headabout what you are or aren't doing.I just remember because my,I have two sisters,
01:04:48you know,and they had children,they raised their children.They were home all the time with them.And I felt embarrassed.Yeah.I thought the first, when I first had my daughter, I was too embarrassed to get a nanny.See, isn't that crazy?
01:05:01Oh my God.And I was exhausted all the time because my sisters didn't have nannies.Oh my gosh.I can't, I can't.I just can't.I can't keep doing this, you know.That's hard.That's really hard.
01:05:12It was really a stupid thing to do.I mean, because I was exhausted.I was exhausted all the time.It's impossible to do it alone like that, like by yourself.I mean, I never.I think also because I was a single.mom and also because I didn't have any siblings so I was very clueless right and I really needed thebaby nurse like you know like like an expert like I just needed an expert to teach me I cannot imagine
01:05:35what it would be like to be a single mom my hat is off to you it's it's a it's a remarkable thing to dothank you that's remarkable it's hard to remember that even even in it even still in it you don'tit's hard to remember like you're just thinking about what you didn't do or what you didn't do rightor you don't I mean are they great kidsOf course.They're amazing kids.They're amazing kids.Yeah.
01:05:57But it's never done, right?No, it's never done.You're never feeling like, shoof.You're just feeling like, oh my God.Yeah.Like, did she do all her homework or did she just think she did her homework?Yeah.Like, do I need to get in there and look at her actual homework?
01:06:11Like, what level of attention is needed?You know, it's a lot.It's a lot.It's interesting.And to do it by yourself, as I say.Thank you.It's remarkable.Thank you.
01:06:22It is what it is.Sometimes I'm like.oh my gosh why did i think i could do this like you know what i mean it's a lot it's a lot it isit's the biggest thing in it really is it's huge to be responsible for humans yeah yeahand making sure that they're good people oh yeah all right i have a question i have a questionfor you are you a charlotte chain are you thinking yeah because i think i'm a bit of a charlottebut I'm a bit of aa bit of a Miranda.
01:06:56Oh, interesting.Yeah.I could see that.Yeah.But you don't seem,Miranda sometimes can be like a surbic.No.You don't seem that way.
01:07:07Right.So I'm probably,I would say I'm 90% a Charlotte.Oh, lovely.Maybe 5% of a bit of Miranda.Got it.You know what's so great is?There are traits in each of the characters
01:07:23that you can identify.Absolutely.And that's what's so great about the show.Definitely.The writing.That's why people can watch it and go,oh, that happened to be.Oh, I would do that.
01:07:33No, I wouldn't do that.Definitely.Yeah, yeah, yeah.That's good, right.Yeah, but no, I'm more of a,I'm more of a Charlotte.I'm more sort of traditional.And there's a quiet strength to Charlotte, I think, you know.
01:07:48Yeah, yeah, yeah.You definitely have that, yeah.There's a quiet, that's where her,strength light and considered, you know.Definitely, definitely.And that took a while even for her to grow into me, me slash her, whatever you want to say, right?And I think also my goal with the writing and knowing me and really like growing her together,you know, with him, that's where she got to, which is really nice.
01:08:15Which is great.Yeah.And yeah, there's a, there's just she knows what she wants.Yeah.She knows what she wants.Definitely.Definitely.And she's willing to kind of do some introspection and learning and growing herself to get there,
01:08:31which I think is also really important.But that's also what I love about the burger storyline for Carrie.That's Carrie trying to grow.Yeah.Right?Trying to stay in an awkward relationship because she thinks that it's different and it'strying for her.Yeah.
01:08:44And I respect that.Sticking with it.Right.It maybe wasn't as fun.Exactly.It's so sweet.I know.I know.
01:08:52I think we criticize her so much.much, but I'm like, no, look at her trying so hard over there. Yeah, she's been through the ringerwith guys and she's just this guy and she's like, well, maybe if I could shift. Right.Right. Right. You know. Yeah. Yeah. But then thank God. No. Yes. Because you shouldn't. You shouldn'tchange yourself. Not to that extent. No. No. No. No. No. And also if it's not fun.No. Yeah. And if you have to watch everything you say and think, oh, how is he going to take that? Oh,definitely no oh bye no definitely definitely no definitely well thank god jane is here for us with the posted we areat the end of the burger reign of burger yes it's true so sorry so sorry ron so sorry ron so sorry you did a great
01:09:36you were great by the way the actor was great yes yes ron lewis did great perfect casting i've justput him through the ringer haven't i but it was such no it's okay yeah no i mean he plays the partthis is what the part was right this is our job isn't itPlay the part without like apology.And judgment.We're the ones who judge the character.Right, exactly.For the viewer to judge.
01:09:58Absolutely true.Absolutely true.That's like acting lesson one-on-one.Right?Yeah, right?Yeah, don't judge your character.It's true.Give over to it.
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01:15:09cheerful apology which she should giveto Harry for saying the mean thingsand he adorably has come with the ring in his pocketI know but so sweetand he sort of it's shades of casablanca he even sort ofof you know of all thesoon advanced all the but you knowthat's why I say that brilliant shot of you
01:15:27which you held on to brilliantit's sothere's something soyou just see everything in your face the minute you see himand it's so beautiful and then your apology to himand I kept thinking oh my God he's got he's he's married he'she's with someone he's with someone he's going to break a heart he's going to breaka heart oh that would be terrible but you see the look on his face you know
01:15:52where he's just so and yes he's so sweet I know he's so sweetEvan Evan was he's a great you know acting partner like he's very presentyeah it was it was beautifuland then people are the way.I know that's the cutest thing.Yeah.And I don't know that I had known.I mean, obviously when I got the script, I knew,
01:16:11but I don't know that they had told me that that was how he was going to propose, right?Because I think Charlotte's been through, like she proposed to herself with Trey, right?And then she has the scene before she gets angry with him over the, um,Shabbat dinner that she makes where she says to the girls, you know, I just know we're going to get married.And Miranda and Carrie are like, oh, are you sure you want to be a,assuming these things, like, let's not assume these things.And she's like, no, I just know we will.Which is also, you know, kind of taking it for granted, you know, in a weird and interesting way.
01:16:43Is it though?I don't know.I'm not sure, really.So deeply rooted in your soul that this guy, you know.Right, right, right.That's true.Because I said to my, you know, when I met my husband, I said, you know, I'm going to marry you, don't you?And this was only about three weeks after I've met him.
01:16:57And he was like, oh, shut up.I'm supposed to surprise you.You know, but I think that, but I think you see that in show.You see that she, there's something so, she just recognizes.She knows it.Yeah, she knows it.And maybe she's afraid of it.And that's why she sabotages it.
01:17:13Well, that's a good point.That's a good point.That's a good point.Because I do think also she does have these expectations, right?And even though they've been kind of blown up by tray, they're still there, you know?Yeah.So maybe, maybe that was important for her in a way to blow it up.And to see that it would come back.
01:17:31Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.And it is just such a lovely, lovely way that he does it.You know, it's like, it's very sweet.But I really did think he's going to say, oh, I can't do that.You did?Well, that was good acting on Evan's part then.
01:17:48Yeah, it was.But right up until that moment, I thought he was going to say, I'm with someone.I'm here with someone or something.I was just like, oh, you.I'm just so glad he did that.It would have been horrible.Awful.Horrible.
01:18:01Horrible.But it was great.Yeah, but the tension there, it was beautiful.Thank God it all came together.Yes.You know, like it's one of those ones where you're like,didn't know, wasn't sure, but it worked.And then I love that the first shot of the next episode is this giant ring.
01:18:19You know, you flagging down a taxi.Oh, that's funny.Oh, I shouldn't skip ahead.No, that's okay.That's okay.They all know.Everyone listening knows.I'm the one who doesn't know.
01:18:28Because at this point, I don't really remember the details, you know.But I, we did 260 something episodes.I can't remember.Some of them I watch have no recollection of them.That's incredible.I don't.I'm like that with books.If I read a book and I think it's great, you ask me the next day what it was about.
01:18:45And I'm like, oh, I can't really remember.Yep.It happens.It does happen.And the old I get the worst.And then I, like, I think once we like had a certain success, I was, it was like so much,journey me and all the extra work that you're doing promoting and doing all the things andit was just a lot you know so I think I got overwhelmed and like life took on bigger stuff and the show
01:19:10was lesser stuff whereas it used to be that the show was everything yeah you know what I meanyeah it's interesting though it's interesting and I just love that what we do lives on yeahisn't that lovely it's really nice it's so great and um have your kids watched any no no noGemma, my 15-year-old has seen bits and pieces on airplanes and stuff.I'm not really ready.I mean, she's 15, and I feel like she could in terms of the content.But, like, it's weird because it's me.Yes.
01:19:38I'm saying.Well, my daughter, because she said, I tried to watch it, Raja, but it felt weird.It felt like I was a stalker.Right.She said, I don't want to watch it.So even writing the book, she didn't rewatch.Fascinating.She just listened to your stories.
01:19:52Listen to my stories.And we also interviewed, you know, our executive producer.Oh, cool.We interviewed so many people and class members.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Like me here.So she got to hear stories from them to, which was great.That's really good.
01:20:06My kids know Michael Patrick and Sarah and Cynthia and everything,which is nice and kind of gives up like a different level of, you know, knowledge to it.Yeah, I have to tell you.Tell me.Tell you this.When I went into audition for Frasier, there was only one other actress.Oh, my God.Yes.
01:20:23What?Tell me, Cynthia.Cynthia.This is crazy.And I looked at her and I was like, oh, shit.You knew who she was?Yes.Well, she had to, you know, she had built her.
01:20:33The theater.The theater.She was known.Yes.All the actors know her.Oh, God.Yeah.Everyone knew Cynthia Nixon.
01:20:39I was like, I was totally intimidated.Because I think of you guys are very different.Very different.Interesting.Very different.But it all worked out.It must be 93, 94.Wow.
01:20:51Wow.Four years before we did our pilot.That's amazing.Yeah, I mean, it was crazy, but I was so intimidated when I saw her sitting there.Oh, that's sweet.That's so sweet.Well, she is.She's.
01:21:04Yes, I know.I know.I know.She's amazing.She's amazing for sure.I thought, I knew her from the theater, and I had seen the real thing, which was when she wasacross the street from Hurley Burley, which she was also in, which is just so insane to even think about, right?And I, but I don't, I think I was, like, so intimidated.
01:21:25from the theater, right?The theater is like the be on end all right.And I didn't talk to her a ton in the beginning,like just a little like it took me a while, you know,where Sir Jessica was really like, come here, come in my trailer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.You know, and Kim, I had already met in Vancouver, I think.Strangely, I don't know why, but she was there and I was there.And, you know, everyone would go to that Sutton Place Hotel.
01:21:52Have you ever worked in Vancouver?No, I haven't.Everyone used to go to this one hotel.Right.We would all stay there and at like happy hour would be like just actors,just actors and directors and people even in LA.Exactly.That's where I met Kim the first time, like maybe a year before I want to say something like that.
01:22:09And of course I knew her from Manikin really.Oh, right.Yes.Because that had been a while before and had been such a big deal.But she seemed so different, you know, in life that I was like she seemed reallyactory in a good way, you know, like easy.Yeah.But it was interesting because Cynthia does just like an intimidating thing in person in a way.
01:22:32Yeah.Interesting.Because I think it's a weight she carries as an actor as well.You know, it's like, oh.Yes.Like there's, she is committed and very serious about her craft.It's true.It's so true.
01:22:47And you pick up on that.Yes.Magnificent, you know.Yes.Yes.I'm just an old fluff, you know.Me too.Just an old hack.
01:22:54Me too.Anything for a laugh.Me too.Me too.Yeah, I think she's less like this now than she used to be in a way.You know what I mean?Yes.Like over time, you know, you shift and change and bring different elements into your vibe or whatever.
01:23:11Yeah.All right.You're a joy.You're a joy too.Thank you for being here.Well, thank you so much for having me.It's my pleasure.Congratulations on Daphne and me.
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