Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar - 6/10/25: Tim Dillon Shreds Palantir, China Cripples US On Minerals, Theo Von Vs JD On Gaza, DNC YT Show Bombs, BBC Censors Documentary

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Ryan and Saagar discuss Tim Dillon shreds Palantir, China cripples US with minerals, The Von vs JD Vance on Gaza, DNC YouTube show bombs, BBC censors Gaza medic documentary.   To become a Breaking Points Premium Member and watch/listen to the show AD FREE, uncut and 1 hour early visit: www.breakingpoints.comMerch Store: https://shop.breakingpoints.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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every morning in your inbox. We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see you at BreakingPoints.com. Peter Thiel's tech company Palantir is becoming an increasing part of our politics. We can put up B1 here. Laura Loomer, friend of the show here, has been met with J.B. Vance in the, I guess, the White House complex last week, last Tuesday, and now is saying it's time to deploy Palantir Tech to Los Angeles to deal with the illegals.

You know you'd love to see it. You're lying if you say you wouldn't, which raises a lot of speculation about how central Palantir is becoming to this administration's plans. Coming on the heels of this contract that Palantir is getting Sagar in order to kind of basically pull together information from across different agencies, Social Security, IRS, DHS, making it all searchable in one place, presumably also then able to combine it with all of the private data that Palantir has been able to space, which is kind of one way you can gauge whether or not an issue is kind of resonating beyond just us chirping heads here inside the beltway. Tim Dillon spoke about this recently, as did Theo Vaughn when he had J.D. Vance on. Let's start with Tim Dillon here. You have not one reservation about what's going on over there.

I'm not saying you have to feel one way or another way, but if you don't have any reservation, if you have no reservations about what's happening with all these kids getting killed, I don't know, I can't trust you. If you don't have any reservations about Palantir taking everyone's information, I don't know. I can information? I don't know.

I can't. I don't know if I can trust you. I don't. I think they're buying people left and right. This is my guess. They try to buy me. My pussy costs a lot of money. I get invited to these dinners. I don't go.

I've been invited to Teal's house multiple times for dinner. I don't go. It's no shade at them or whatever, you know? The reason I don't go is I know, I remember one dinner, they're like, we'd like to discuss the media. I go, what? No, thanks.

But I've been to some of these places. I've sat in these houses in Austin with these tech people and I know what they want and I know what they want me to go out and cheerlead for and say well it's actually a great idea and there's probably a lot of money in it there's probably a lot of money and I just can't do it so my my prediction, and I'm not, I don't want to name names because I don't know, but my prediction is you're going to see a lot of people over the next six months start thinking this list is a great idea. They're going to start telling you how great this is and how it's about terrorism.

That's the one that'll start going, well, it's a terror. Have you heard? It's terrorism. Yeah. Yeah. As I said, he is the George Carlin of our time. I do actually think we should spend some time on this Palantir thing because I really haven't been able to dig into it. So I know you guys covered it while I was out.

What exactly? So there's a contract between the Trump administration and Palantir. Yeah. Basically, it's to use and Palantir. Yeah. Basically, it's to use the Palantir, like, connective software. Foundry. The Foundry. Which Tim Dillon said it sounds like you're getting, like, you know, some, like, fair trade coffee company. That's true.

It actually does that. As a fair trade coffee fanatic, that definitely is something that it does. It'd be like some new age coffee shop in Brooklyn. But it's actually an Omnicon Opticon. So the question here is like, what is the purpose of the quote unquote Palantir database? It's just to compile all of this data and make it more searchable for law enforcement authorities? Like what is even the ostensible justification by the administration? That was J.D. Vance's argument. We can play a little bit of him on Theo Vaughn who pressed

him on it. J.D. Vance's argument was, look, the government already has all of this data on you. In fact, the government created some of it. They made your social security number, the government. You pay your taxes to the government. Critically, what's really driving it is an effort to connect, I think, criminal records, tax records, social security numbers, and immigration records. And what they really want to do is figure out people who are here illegally but filing taxes and then figure out who they are and then go and deport them. Interestingly, that drains this golden goose. The way that this two-tier society that we have going operates is that people who are here illegally in general pay taxes,

but because they're here illegally, they can't get benefits. All right, Ryan. It flips the whole thing on its head that they're here. I mean, we can talk. I don't think it's good. You ever been to an ER room? How many, but what percent of an ER in Los Angeles is illegal, getting free health care?

Very little because they can get Medicaid there. They can get Medicaid there. My point is, look, the idea that they're not consuming any taxpayer resources is insane. This is just not true. I mean, I think more importantly, it's just wrong to have a two-tier system. Okay, sure. There's two ways to accomplish that. That's basically, it seems like, what's going on here.

They're trying to connect everything and make it immediately searchable. So Theo Vaughn pressed J.D. Vance about what does J.D. Vance owe Peter Thiel because of all of the money that Peter Thiel invested in his campaign, or I guess two campaigns. I guess only one, really. He didn't really kick in on the second one, did he? On the presidential? I don't remember. It doesn't matter. I think he did end up donating to the Trump fund, but not as much as he had previously.

So let's roll a little bit of J.D. and Theo Vaughn here. It costs a lot of money to run for office, and you've got to go and raise money. Yeah. But I think that if your attitude is, I owe something to these people who gave me money, then you're going to end up being corrupted. And you've got to kind of take the attitude of

they're supporting me because they agree with me. And obviously like you have conversations with them. Like you mentioned Peter Thiel. I see a lot of crazy stuff on the internet about Peter Thiel. Like, you know, he's always been a friend of mine. He's always been one of the smartest people I've ever met. Like just a very thoughtful dude. But he's literally never asked me once for anything.

So he just believed in you? He believed in me. He agreed with me on a lot thoughtful dude. But he's literally never asked me once for anything. So he just believed in you? He believed in me. He agreed with me on a lot of issues. I mean, he definitely has like said, hey, I don't agree with you on this. But he's never said, I don't agree with you on this. Therefore, you should vote differently or act differently. So in that same interview, he also, Theo Vaughn's like, this is kind of gross, this whole database thing. And the way that JD kind of plays it off is all we're doing is connecting data that we already have.

And that the bigger problem is the private corporate collection of data. What Theo Vaughn could have responded with is then maybe having a giant corporation come in and do it for the government is not the best way to shrink the amount of access to data, private data, that corporations have. I mean, I think what the major objection here on the Palantir thing ought to be, at the very least, is, look, yeah, I think I support deportation. Okay, if it makes it easier to deport. But when you have a database, I mean, we saw this with the Patriot Act. We saw this with a lot of things. And yes, just because the government has it and it's decentralized isn't necessarily a bad thing for all of us. Like having basically AI-automated things in government databases is really bad. In fact, the vast majority of the audits that are initiated by the IRS are automatic by software.

And they're predominantly against people who are lower income. And that's one of the ways that we have seen, you know, some of this AI stuff that's, let's say, whenever it's deployed in healthcare companies, it automatically shoots down, like, claims at, you know, using, and often actually does it incorrectly. And so that's one of the major worries about all of this. I mean, on the Peter Thiel discussion, I'm going to split the difference where, look, I do think it's a little ridiculous, you know, the idea that somebody is supporting you because they don't want something. But I also think that this Thiel thing in particular is vastly overstated compared to the entire, like, GOP industrial complex. And for some, I mean, I know leftists

will say this, but you know who, you want to know who the most prominent policy area where the billionaires who donate to you actually do demand something. It's Israel. It's actually not. In my opinion, in my experience in right-wing politics and watching things in terms of what the real PSYOP and industrial complex here in Washington is, it has way more to do with foreign policy than it does have to do with, you know, ICE or Palantir or any of this. The tech guys have definitely spent, you know, quite a bit of money. But, you know, this is similar, I think, also to like left-wing or, you know, when Kamala's like, well, hey, George Soros and Reid Hoffman and all those other people support you. And they're like, well, a lot of rich people support me, you know? So it's,

any one of them could drop out. I would say it's more of a systemic thing. But I do think it is ridiculous, the idea that they don't necessarily want something. In Thiel's particular case, Thiel is like – I mean it is an interesting story. If you go – the J.D. Vance origin story is literally he's like a law student at Yale University, meets Peter Thiel after a lecture. Peter is like, hey, he's a smart guy. We should hire him, right? So I mean they do actually go way back a long time. That is pretty rare, even I'll admit it, in politics. But, you know, this like symbiosis between rich people and politicians, I don't know, at a certain point, it just seems systemic to me where it's like,

what people who are bitching about this, who take oceans of money from Bill Gates and all these other people, I'm like, shut up. You know what I mean? Look, I'm not saying there are many people like you, Crystal, and others who are totally for a systemic critique. But, you know, to see DNC, like, op people talking about this, I'm like, we all know who you have dinner with every day in Los Angeles or in San Francisco. Just like, stop, you know, pretending as if you were in any way different. The difference is that J.D. Vance is, in a lot of ways, basically unique in American politics in the sense that a lot of these candidates, like, they come up through the traditional pipelines. They stand for, you know, they're for rich people. They're for corporate power, whether they're Democrats or Republicans. And then, yeah, like these rich donors are actually supporting their agenda because

these politicians made it clear that their agenda is to support the powerful. So, okay, you can say that they just love my ideas. My idea happening to me that you should have lower taxes and less regulations. Amazing how that worked out. But with J.D. Vance, he wasn't even, to your point, he wasn't even a politician. Peter Thiel is like, I like this guy. And J.D. Vance is obviously a very smart and talented guy. So, you know, Peter Thiel was correct in that assessment. But then when he gets him to run for Senate, not just gets him to run. I don't think he got him to run.

I think he just wanted to run. And I'm telling you, this is somebody who knew some of this going on. I don't think it was like, hey, you should run for office. He's like, I want to run for office. He's an ambitious guy. It was Blake Masters as well. By the way, the Blake connection... He said no earlier, right? He could have run in 2018?

I think so. I don't actually remember. 2020 maybe it was. It's funny to me because Blake Masters is much more of like the Peter Thiel guy. He actually worked for Thiel for real, like Thiel Capital, you know, whenever he ran for office. And I guess only because he lost, nobody paid attention to him. But I'm like, that's like much more of what I think people are looking at. And he seems to be more, like I think J.D. Vance is in line with a lot of the Peter Thiel stuff,

but Blake Masters is, like, just a clone of it. Innocent. I mean, I guess. Emily here, Emily. I honestly don't know. Yeah, I think Masters is a weird guy, you know, to be honest. Doesn't he have a job right now in the Trump administration? I think he does. He did get a job, didn't he?

Yeah. So when you say, well, Peter Thiel just like, you know, he agrees with me. I don't agree with him. It's like it's weird because you've been a team for so long is more of the point. I think that's fair for people to point out, obviously. I encourage people. There is a great book, George Packer, liberal. You'll back me up on this.

He wrote The Unwinding. Have you read that book from 2013? It's sitting on my shelf. The Unwinding is one of the best, most prescient books I've ever read. And because it came out in 2013 and it predicted the Trump era, in my opinion, far before anyone else. And actually, Peter Thiel is profiled in The Unwinding. And one of the things that Thiel says, which ends up becoming massively prescient, is he's like, I think that the next person who wins the American presidency will do so on a message of American decline. And it will not be on a message of American optimism, kumbaya, kind of what Obama was selling.

You'll remember, that's why Thiel is one of the only people, prominent business people, to speak on the RNC stage in 2016. And arguably was one of the only like quote unquote titans of industry or whatever to actually be pro-Trump. And I mean, if we'll also say this, if we think back to 2016, J.D. was calling Trump Hitler. Peter Thiel was on the stage. Okay, fair point. Okay, so let's point out, you know, some of the things that are going on here. Like, you know, there's a little bit of a contravening interest. And it's only later on, I mean, J.D. doesn't really become a full-blown Trump guy till 2018, 2019. And actually, that's when Thiel reduces his amount of funding to the Republican Party and basically says, hey, screw you, you guys took advantage of me, and I don't really want to be on the team anymore. And in 2020 and 2024, I wouldn't say he sits out the election per

se, but does a lot less. And you don't see him giving the same speeches in Washington or at the Bitcoin conference or at the RNC stage in the similar way that he did in 2016. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I think it's just- That's an interesting point. Is it an important story? All right. The whole Theo Vaughn thing is worth listening to. J.D. Vance is just disturbingly good in those environments. Why do you think it's disturbing? Because, you know, I'm with Thiel Vaughn

through most of it where he's like pressing J.D. Vance on the genocide. And it was good to see him raise it but then, you know, J.D. Vance picks up

on the phrase genocide and just kind of dissects that and then just moves into Ukraine. He's just so good at like sounding reasonable and moving on.

Yeah, but can't a Democrat do that? I mean, we saw that tons of times. Very few of them are any good at it. It's just so good at like sounding reasonable and moving on. Can a Democrat do that? I mean, we saw that tons of times. Very few of them are any good. It's more of a talent problem. Yes. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them.

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on the Black Effect Podcast Network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you go to find your podcasts. All right, let's get to China then. Let's break some of this down here with the United States and China relationship here with the trade war. Let's put this up there on the screen. We just want to give everybody an update because this is still very, very important to pay attention. So they both met yesterday in London. It was the second time that the negotiators have met over

tariffs and supply chains. Remember, Trump has kind of been wobbly ever since he backed down on the China tariffs, accusing Xi and all of them of violating some of the trade agreements or the interim trade agreements. So basically, what happened is that we had the previous round in Switzerland, things kind of fell apart, but the tariffs still remain, or the 20% tariffs and all that remain there. Basically, Ryan, it seems that the major contention right now is about the massive slowdown in these critical minerals that the Chinese really have a chokehold on. And there's a very good story here, actually, I want to highlight, which just shows everybody kind of the problem with the slap shot stuff that's going on. Let's put it up there on the screen, is, quote, China produces the world's entire supply of samarium. It's a rare earth metal. The U.S. and its allies need to rebuild inventories of

fighter jets, missiles, and other hardware. Well, guess what? They are currently massively restricting the export controls on these heat-resistant magnets made with, quote, rare earth minerals that have exposed a major vulnerability in the U.S. military supply chain. Without these magnets, the U.S. and its allies are, quote, struggling to refill recently depleted inventories of military hardware. Now, it's also worth, there's so much happening in this that I want to break it down. When they say recently depleted, Ryan, why are our missiles recently depleted? We're not in a war, are we? There's a great line in the same article that says, these stocks have been severely depleted by shipments to Ukraine after the Russian invasion and for the United States to Israel during the Gaza conflict. Right. So we

have these two proxy wars, which we have no business even being involved in, which has massively depleted our stock. And now we need to replete that stock after we spent untold billions of dollars and poured it into this for literally nothing. In fact, getting inverse return on both of those. And then we're sitting here the whole time, which I mean, I've been doing segments here for three plus years about why this is a bad idea to deplete US military supply chain for both of these conflicts. Lo and behold, what do we see? We have a chokehold on the minerals. You know, I haven't gotten the chance. We dropped a lot on Yemen too,

for no reason. That's what I'm saying. I've not gotten a chance to speak about this. It is very important. I think that one of the most important things that happened whenever I was gone was that drone swarm attack by Ukraine on the Russian bombers force. You had an attack which cost nothing, which destroyed billions of dollars in property. And do you know who Russia is in that situation? You're looking at it. Okay. Who's rocking 11, you know, aircraft carriers on the high seas with billion dollar missiles that are basically useless against the Houthis. And F-16s falling off the sides. And F-16s falling off the sides because we have improper safety protocol, lack of training, etc. I could go on forever. The

carrying cost of the United States military is now getting up to $1 trillion. And in two proxy conflicts, we have watched the Ukrainian drone force destroy a multi-billion dollar force of Russian nuclear capable bombers. And we have watched literally these Yemeni Houthis living in caves who are able to cobble together Iranian made, you know, like missiles and fire them at ships. And we have done nothing about it. We have depleted a massive stock of missiles and all of this. And we're reliant here on the Chinese supply chain. You need an entire rethinking of the entire US military industrial complex. But the point is, is that the bloat is the entire purpose.

Having this inefficient, highly expensive military reliant on China and all of that, that is the pillar of globalization that keeps all of this going, and especially here in D.C. And if we ever get into, you know, God help us if we ever get into a conflict, because that Ukraine thing, that's going to happen everywhere. And you're going to see billions obliterated in seconds, and then we're going to be scrambling for drones. And I have one guess as to where the best drones in the world come from, and where the best drone parts in the world come from, too. Right. And China, as it's been developing its own military capacity, has spent the last 30 years studying our kinetic activity in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Our sanctions as well. They're the most sanction-proof country in the world, they're the best prepared military right now, I think, to face any Western-style conflict. And, you know, at the end of the day, industrialization and the ability to build is everything. Meanwhile, here in America, you know, we launched a trade war against the entire world. Everyone's like, what? Like, why is my car seat more expensive? And we all just have to pay attention to this criminology in London and hoping that things don't pop off again. And let's talk real quickly about that, the industrial policy failure here, 2009, in that same article, 2009, the U.S. Congress says, look,

the samarium thing seems to be pretty central to our entire military industrial complex, and it's made in China. Let's rectify that. So great foresight on the part of our lawmakers and our defense policy makers. So they earmark tens of millions of dollars, 30 million I think it was, for this factory in Washington state that's going to reopen a mine where there's some samarium and then it's going to refine it. For a variety of reasons, it's cheaper for them to continue getting it from China, but they buy a bunch of the equipment that is going to allow them to create the, you know, to transform the rare earths into the type of magnets that are needed for this, you know, high-end military technology because they're

extraordinarily heat resistant. As they're getting closer to doing that, the Biden administration then also cuts a contract with a giant company in Texas that's going to do the same thing. At the same time, China is still selling Samarium to Lockheed Martin and these other customers at much cheaper prices than the U.S. can do it because the U.S. doesn't have its industry up yet. And the one in Washington state looks at the one in Texas and is like, well, we can't compete. There aren't enough buyers for two of these companies. And it looks like Biden's in with the Texas one. So they shut down, basically bankrupt. And then the Texas one never gets off the ground either. So 2009 to today, we still don't have the production capacity. If you're China, how about just don't give us any magnets and just declare world peace? Like, we're done.

Yeah, so one of the most depressing stories that I heard, or sorry, read while I was gone, was this story about how the Chinese managed their industrial policy. And it would be like if we had every, you know how we have all these buildings in DC full of all these bureaucrats. Imagine if they actually were the best and the brightest from across the entire university system. Instead, ours go into crypto and like finance. And these people are like the best and the brightest in China, deep list of PhD level economists, experts who are sitting there managing and green lightinging each project off the ground, evaluating its ability for success, going out into the private sector, finding the manager who will be the public-private partner. They have total dictatorship control over their whole country, so they choose the most optimal land. They don't have to deal with some provincial bullshit.

And they'll do four of them and make them compete. Right. They come in and they're like, okay, we're going to do it here, and we're going to make sure this is built, but this isn't this. And you would be shocked to learn that that's actually extremely effective. So I just want people to look. I mean, I'm not saying I support that system, but it works and it works pretty well. The abundance crowd would point out that some of the manufacturing of this is extremely polluting. Oh, yeah.

And China put it in a place that's like way out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, that is empirically true. And they just ran over any opposition to all of the pollution that it was creating. Whereas in the U.S., people in Washington State are like, this sounds pretty bad. Oh, we need an environmental impact study. I mean, listen, I get it. We live in a Federalist, you know, we live in

a Federalist Republic, which have states' rights. It has worked pretty well, I guess. We're still here. But we are running up against a system which is very intelligently designed and which exponentially continues to find this ability to basically have arbitrage opportunities against the US economy and slowly is either competing and or trying to replace it at a broad level. I also want to put C3 up here because also, unlike in China, we live in a

democracy. And guess what? You know, things are still pretty shaky right now. This is from the Wall Street Journal. The U.S. economy is headed towards a very uncomfortable summer. Quote, companies are freezing hiring and investment to deal with shifting tariff policies. Even Trump doesn't know what he's going to do next. This is actually arguably, in my opinion, the most important part of tariffs is basically a freezing of across the entire U.S. economy. And people just have no idea what to do. And so they're hoarding cash. You have millions of companies across the U.S. which basically are just not hiring, not really doing anything big. They just want to sit around and wait to see what the macro policy is. And with that, you're seeing what we saw in the initial

jobs report with the labor market. There's been basically a hiring freeze that we've seen. You are watching some of the consumer pushback that could happen with reduced consumption if we do even a 10% price increase. Actually, by the way, with eggs, I was just looking yesterday, there's been a huge issue because of bird flu. It does not look like eggs are coming down anytime soon in the next year or so, just as a result of some of the flock shortages. And then you've also got the financial market, continued massive shocks that are up and down. So basically across the system, there's just a tremendous amount of uncertainty. Things could happen at any moment. I know the steel tariffs went into effect, went up 50% while I was gone. That takes a while to show up.

Building materials from Canada, things from China, and all of that shortage. You may not see it the way you imminently would have with the 100 whatever percent China tariffs, but they may begin to show up. So we don't know quite yet. Yeah. And the market and the media seem to have moved on because of Taco Trump. They think that Trump is going to chicken out. And what they have priced in is him chickening out, and he will eventually unravel this trade war. And they probably will. They're probably not wrong about that in the long term. In the short term, people are getting destroyed every single day, even with these 20% tariffs.

You've got a million-dollar order coming in. Yeah, that's a lot of money. You owe 200 grand on that. That was your margin on that entire project that this million dollars of supplies coming in was maybe 5% to 10%. Maybe let's say it was 20%. Nice little margin you had there. It had to be well above 20% for you not to be insolvent based on just 20% tariffs, especially because you couldn't price that in ahead of time. So yeah, while Trump takes his time getting to his final taco, people are just crashing and burning. Well, we certainly will see. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?

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And then everybody else wanted to get pissed off because the white said it was okay. Problem. My oldest daughter, her first day in ninth grade, and I called to ask how I was doing. She was like, oh, dad, all I was doing was talking about your thing in class. I ruined my baby's first day of high school. And slumflower.

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kind of tears talking about the genociding in Gaza. And he's like, guys, we just cannot not talk about the fact that this is being done on a daily basis with our tax dollars and with weapons that we're buying. This is an unconscionable thing to be happening. So when J.D. Vance, it was announced that he was going to appear on Theo Vaughn's podcast, there were questions like, is Theo Vaughn going to press him on this? Let's see. And he did. So we can watch a little of that exchange. It's the sickest thing I think it's ever been televised, basically, if you consider watching something on your phone. It's a mess. It feels like a massacre. And it

feels like, you know, I've called it a genocide. Other people have different thoughts about it. And that's fine. Right. And I don't need anybody to share the same thoughts or you to. But I think where it gets scary is that we give, you know, we're complicit in it because we help fund like military stuff, you know, and that's where it's like a regular guy. You're like, well, I'm paying these taxes and they're going towards this. Like, but you can't do anything, you know? Like you can, you can, you can talk, you know, but it's like, you can't, I don't understand how it becomes like tougher people.

Like sometimes it feels like we look out for the interests of Israel before we look out for the interests of America. So let me say a couple of things. So, so number one, like, I think you're a great dude. So we almost have to agree on everything. Do I think it's a genocide? No. And here's, here's the reason why I don't think it's a genocide because I don't think that the Israelis are purposely trying to go in and murder every Palestinian. I don't think that's what they're doing. I think they got hit hard and I think they're, they're, they're trying to like, you know, sort of destroy this terrorist organization and war is hell. And that is true. I also think it's true, man. I mean,

I've seen people on my side of the political aisle. I'm a Republican. You know that, but your audience may not. Who like will see these videos of these innocent Palestinian kids and say, oh, well, they had it coming to them. No, no, no, no, no. Like if you have a soul, your heart should break when you see a little kid who's suffering, which is why we have the policy that we have, which is we're trying to stop, eliminate the conflict, eliminate the source of the conflict so that we can actually bring some peace

and some humanitarian assistance into people. And that's my basic view. So after that saga, Thielvon comes back with something that might even be more damaging to both parties long term, but also the Republicans, where he says, Thielvon's like, I don't know, man. It just seems like sometimes we care more about what's happening in Israel than we do what's happening here in the United States. Empirically true. And J.D. Vance basically says Trump is trying to end the conflict. Which is a popular message and actually interesting and not necessarily one

that we would have seen under the Biden administration. We're working tirelessly. Working tirelessly to end it. It is funny. I saw a lot of leftists very upset about this. And I was like, is there a single Democratic politician other than AOC or Rashida? Has AOC ever said the word genocide? I actually don't know. Yes. Okay. Fairly early on. What? How many are we talking? Not many. Four? Yeah, not many. Four elected Democrats? So any person with national ambitions who would have been asked that question from the Democratic, in fact, I mean, if you ask Richie Torres, you would probably get an even more warlike answer.

Oh, God. Yes. From something like this. He's the kind of person that's attacking Trump for even trying to He would say, you're an anti-Semite. Yeah, he'd be like, you are anti-Semitic for saying the word genocide. So progress, you know, maybe, I mean, like I said, it's funny, everybody focuses on the Peter Thiel thing or whatever. I'm like, I think Israel is probably the issue most where you see a lockup of discussion on this issue. And that is one where, yeah, when I saw that answer, like it's sad, you know, to see. But also, do I expect literally anything else from Donald Trump, Miriam Adelson, freedom giver vice president? I'm like, well, that's politics. By the way, he actually has always been weirdly pro-Israel, which I find-

Who, J.D. Vance? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And so, which I find who jd vance oh yeah absolutely uh and so which i find genuinely like mystifying um it's like israel is some force of benevolence and balance you know in the region i don't really know how you how you get there did he did he serve in iraq jd vance well i mean as a what is what is it called a public information officer um in the but yeah he was deployed to iraq for a Yeah, I wonder if something happened there. What would happen? Well, maybe like a real contempt for Baghdad or something,

a real hostility for the people there. And then you're like, well, at least the Israelis are attacking. But then you would be, who's the guy who wears the IDF uniform in Congress? What's that guy's name? Oh, Mast? Mast, yeah. But then you would be like a Brian Mast figure the idf uniform in congress what's that guy's name oh mast mast yeah but then you would be like a brian mast figure like actually it's good um right who's the new congressman randy fine yeah right with the israeli flag we should we cheer this um on every time we see a dead uh palestinian kid i don't know i mean that look i mean within u.s politics uh especially what in the broad spectrum of the bell curve or whatever, like I guess we're just going to say it's a positive.

But I think that the cultural positive coming out of this is to have a Theo Vaughn-like figure out there who is willing to say something like this. And if he's going to use his platform, at the very least ask. That's another thing. I saw a lot of attacks on Theo for not – I'm like, look, guys. Theo Vaughn, like we're expecting him to litigate the Israeli-Palestinian, what are we doing here, okay, all right? Take what you can get. Yeah, yeah, you take what you could get, the fact that there's even, like, a level of criticism. Also, if we're going to normalize this and broadly think it's good to have politicians go on these shows,

yeah, every once in a while, you're going to get a wild card question like that, because this is where, unfortunately, they're not actually giving enough credit to Theo. That word would never even be uttered in a CNN interview. Oh, ever. NPR? Never, right? So it's like, look, we're at least in some net positive territory here. I understand people want to, you know, have a big back and forth or whatever. It's like, but, you know, I still think we're a long way. Because the real political problem for him is to confront that question. You're America first, but you seem like you care more about Israel.

Correct, yeah. Did you see we had a win, by the way? What is it? There was a piece of resolution to condemn the Boulder terrorist attack. Okay. Great, condemn that. Terrorist attacks are bad.

Yeah. They wrote into it, the terrorist shouted shouted free Palestine, which is an anti-Semitic slogan that calls for the destruction of the Jewish people, which then if you vote for it, you're voting for, you're affirming the definition of free Palestine as an anti-Semitic slogan. We reported on this, it went viral. Code Pink kicked into gear. And they pulled it out. And they passed the resolution just condemning the terrorist attack.

Yeah, but didn't the IHRA resolution just become law? Is that fake news? What am I thinking of? Well, it went under Biden. It became law, basically. But didn't it just get reaffirmed or something like that? I'm sure that they're reaffirming it constantly. There might have been another resolution saying how wonderful it is.

But so the fact that they could have passed it, yet they took it out. Because I feel like there is at least some sense among both parties' leaders that people are losing their patience for this stuff. That, what do you mean you're going to tell me that free Palestine is legally now deemed to be an anti-Semitic slogan?

It's just too ridiculous. But that is where I do see like some of this Theo Vaughn, Tim Dillon, Rogan. Right. I'm not sure I've heard

anything from Shane Gillis. I watch these people closely just because I'm like, okay, like where is the bro sphere kind of going in this regard? And there is a general acknowledgment. They're like, yeah, this is pretty weird. Like the laws and the level of government force against Mahmoud Khalil or any of that. But I mean, arguably what's even crazier, I think, than the deportations is at the highest level is like the full force of this quote, anti-Semitism task force, basically setting the rules and regulations at different universities and then making it, you know, the policy of the United States government, the way that you teach history at Harvard University. That's nuts, you know, at a federal level in particular.

And then using it without applying, I mean, it's a different thing to say we're going to withhold federal funding if universities violate existing law on the Civil Rights Act. That's like a longstanding thing or against, you know, whatever, discrimination. I think that's fine. And if states want to get involved with the way that their public universities are, I've had a debate here before, be my guest. I think states who are, you know, like the University of Virginia, University of Texas, and all these other places, these are state institutions which should generally be governed by the state legislatures and others with the input of their constituents. But at a federal level, coming in over the top on some of these private institutions, that's where it just gets totally crazy.

And I think people can see that very clearly. Yeah, they ordered basically the Middle Eastern head of Harvard's division to be fired. It's like, what are you doing? Yeah, it's crazy. The fun thing, other fun thing, the fun thing about the Theo Vaughn interview is it happened just as the Musk-Trump war was breaking out into the open. So we can actually start with D2B, this tear sheet from The Washington Post. They have interesting reporting that Trump knew J.D. Vance was headed to this Theo Vaughn interview, so he knows this is going to come up. And he said, you know, be cool.

Don't go too hard on the poor guy. Yeah, we're still – I'm still posting this. It's weird. While J.D. Vance was going to the interview and while he's in the interview, Musk continues to turn the heat up. By the time he's like in the interview, he's calling for his impeachment and talking about the Epstein files. So when Trump gave that recommendation or that directive, he hadn't gone quite to the DEFCON that he eventually did. But let's roll a little bit of Theo Vaughn talking about Epstein and Elon and Trump here, D2. Elon Musk, you may have heard of him. I've heard of him. Time to drop the really big bomb, right? And I thought this was going to be

on Iran. I haven't even seen. Right? I haven't even seen this one. But he goes, at real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. This is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day.

Nice signature from a South African DJT. Man. Well, here's my basic reaction to like all this stuff is look. First of all,, absolutely not. Donald Trump didn't do anything wrong with Jeffrey Epstein. The guy is, whatever the Democrats and the media says about him, that's totally BS. Here's my basic read on it. First of all, I'm the vice president to President Trump.

My loyalties are always going to be with the president. And I think that Elon, he's an incredible entrepreneur. He's actually done, I think Doge was really good. The sort of effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in our country was really good. And look, man, I'm always going to be loyal to the president. And I hope that eventually Elon kind of comes back into the fold. Maybe that's not possible now because he's gone so nuclear. First of all, let's talk about the substance there. Why would Donald Trump not be? He was one of his best friends.

According to Epstein. Yeah, according to Epstein, Donald Trump's one of his best friends. There's the image of him and Epstein together, whether they're laughing. He likes him young. And Trump said in a GQ or whatever it was, yeah, Jeffrey Epstein. And it was a statement. You could tell it was like one of those dictated statements that he gave where he's like,

Jeffrey Epstein likes him young, but he loves to have a good time. I said this yesterday. I wonder if you agree with me. I'm like, I don't think the conspiracy is about Trump. I think it's about Mossad. I think that's why they won't release the Epstein file. It's so obvious, you know, considering a lot of the quotes and all of that there. I mean, I'm sure it probably doesn't make Trump look good in terms of some of the what Ghislaine and Epstein were both Mar-a-Lago

members. And who knows, maybe Trump, the Trump organization or whatever had invested with Epstein or vice versa or something like that in the past would not surprise me considering everything is out there. But I still think that's the number one reason why the vast majority of this stuff has not yet been released. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. I'm glad you did. Yeah, I mean, that's one where I'm just seeing this all like morph online. I'm like, guys, no, it's all, it's been the same the whole time. Like we've seen the original reason why it wasn't released or why he was given this sweetheart deal you know from federal prosecutors was literally they said intelligence that's the entire reason behind it

um and now kash patel just basically changing his entire story uh on a dime the moment that he becomes the fbi director don't you think i would give it to you if i had it i was like no you know actually no do i think that the fbi would lie to me yeah yes about an intelligence asset absolutely that's the most believable thing i've ever seen yeah uh before we move on we gotta do the funniest one oh yeah just not even gonna teach this may not even um translate because a lot of our audience is not nearly as online as we are but there is a great online this is how online are you yeah this is how online are you test. Yeah, this is how online are you test.

And here we have an incident where Theo Bond's producer has a person muted. JD notices this and is like, who do you have muted? And then he bursts out laughing whenever he sees, let's take a listen. This is interesting. Pull it up, let's see it.

This post is from an account you muted. I'm curious, who did you mute? Who is that guy? Is that yours? It's one of your producers. Ian Muleyshong. Oh, it's a Trump should be impeached and J.D. Vance should replace him.

Dude, that's one vote. Oh my God. If you don't know. If success in life is not being online and failure is being online, Theo Vaughn passed. If you don't know who Ian Miles Chong is, I applaud you. You win. You have won in life. We have lost badly.

Oh, absolutely. We got routed a long time ago. I'm deep in Ian lore. I've known Ian, or known of Ian for probably 10 years. This is a Malaysian, if you don't know him, he's a Malaysian provocateur. He's a Malaysian provocateur. He does not live in the United States. But has many thoughts about the United States. About the United States of America. Literally constantly posting videos.

One of the most proliferate Elon reply guys. Probably makes thousands of dollars a month on Twitter off of this new verification scheme. Definitely a major Elon fanboy. There are open questions as to whether he's ever been to the united states of america in the first place i still think it's weird i think you and i have talked about this before they care so much about america it'd be like if you and i were talking about jolo all day long yeah you know we'll be like let's get yeah okay one mdb let's let's go ryan let's just be obsessed with malays Kuala Lumpur's internal politics.

It's totally nuts. People will be like, what's this guy doing? What is this guy doing? Why does he care so much? You're not even from here. It's like a meme. You don't even go here. What is happening?

So a very, very funny moment just to show you online. J.D. Vance is clearly extremely online. I mean, he's the first millennial vice president. So that is certainly what you get. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.

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We're going to talk about what's happening in Washington today, what Republicans are up to, what Democrats are doing, and how you can join the fight. So a bit of a bumpy start. We can put up E2 here. Yeah, we hate to view count shame, Ryan, but 7,720 views. I'm sorry, that's pathetic, okay?

I mean, I made a joke that that's five minutes here breaking points, but actually, you know what? I can take a look at the data right now and actually tell you whether that is five minutes of breaking points or not. While you're looking up the data, I can say that we have to wrap this by 10 a.m. because DNC's next live stream starts at 10 a.m.

And how many people are in the waiting room for that? Currently two. Two people in the waiting room for that. Let's not waiting room shame either. We all know that, you know, waiting rooms, you know, the metrics don't necessarily apply. That said, at the very moment that you and I are doing this, it is 945, so it starts in 15 minutes. That's a little low. That's a little low. It's a little low.

And you would expect something better from a major political party in the United States. Would you, though? That's just me. Would you expect more? I just don't understand what they are trying to get out of this. And I'll tell you why. Why do you need the Democratic Party to have its own YouTube show? The RNC is not doing that.

You know, it's like they're taking this whole podcast thing too seriously. Like, let me look right now. Guys, Brian Tyler Cohen, a huge lib, is on YouTube right now with 4.4 million subscribers. His last video with Gavin Newsom, it's got 500,000 views. All right, let me go and check Midas Touch. These guys are huge. Huge. I've seen Brian Tyler, I've seen, what's his name? Newsom. He's given interviews to Midas Touch and Brian Tyler Cohen. He knows what time it is in terms of the troop deployment.

I'm looking, yeah, I'm looking at this right now. I mean, yeah, the latest Midas Touch video was posted an hour ago. Already has 100,000 views on the front end, which as people who do this professionally know, on the back end, it's probably a million. No, it's probably way more than that. If I'm looking at some of the videos that they posted yesterday, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of views. Yeah, here we go. The interview with Gavin Newsom posted 14 hours ago has 545,000 views. They've got a video from 16 hours ago with 761,000 views. I mean,

these are astronomical numbers. These are unbelievable. They've got almost a million views on the videos that they posted yesterday. And this is just video after video after video, and they're nearly 5 million, okay? And this is, you know, to review shame the Democrats, I view respect people who, anybody out there, if you're clocking this, I'm paying attention, okay? And that's why I don't understand the Democrats wanting to do their own YouTube channel here because these guys already exist. The politicians know. You don't need to, quote, go direct in the way that they're doing it. The Republican Party doesn't have its own podcast. It's cringe. What do they do? They're

like, oh, the Nelk Boys want to have us on? Cool. They got 10 million subscribers. Joe Rogan, 20 million. Theo Vaughn, Tim Dillon, whatever. They just spread it out, Boston, Barstool, any of these other places. That's the strategies. You go to places where they already have the audience. So it just feels very like designed in a lab and over-interpreted of this whole podcast, going direct online thing. Hassan is out there. Midas Touch is out there. I don't understand. Just go do that.

But I think the take is they're afraid. They don't – very few Republican politicians would go to a podcast where someone is going to ask them about Gaza genocide. They just don't have balls. Let's be honest. And I think that's the same thing here. Yes, Newsom is going on here, but other Democratic leaders have not yet really embraced what's happening in the online sphere. It's out there if you want to take it. And you know what's interesting is, you know who else made this same mistake? It was Bernie Sanders in 2020. Really? Explain what you mean.

He went out, and you can talk to Breon Joy Gray about this, who was his national spokesperson for that campaign. They went out and they started their own podcast. They started their own shows. I do vaguely remember some of this. And he wanted to create this kind of Bernie media. He was coming at it from a different direction. He wasn't afraid that he was going to get questioned.

Well, this was pre-October 7th. But he didn't trust the mainstream media because he thinks they're corporate shills and he hates them. And he, for 30, 40 years, has always kind of saw himself as both messenger slash journalist and politician. Back in the 1970s, the thing he dedicated himself to was making a Eugene Debs documentary. And when he was mayor, he would go around doing these in-person interviews with people in the Burlington Mall and then post them on public access television. He's always wanted to kind of cut the media out. Yet where he really got his traction was because the actual media understood how much riz he had, how he drove ratings. And he was able to then co-opt that to get his message out.

And if you look at kind of the return on the investment in trying to create this Bernie media sphere, it's a total flop. It's really very difficult to just generate that. And also, even Bernie supporters don't want that. Like, they want their guy out there on other podcasts, in other media, so that they can see that the message is getting to everybody. And so, certainly, you don't have, you have a lot more people that love Bernie Sanders than love the DNC. It's also more interesting to see Bernie on Fox, or Bernie on Rogan, or Bernie on on Theobald, any of these. I mean, it's just more, you know, you actually get more out of it to see them in different environments. That's broadly how these politicians succeed.

That's actually what real talent is, is the ability to go in an unfamiliar environment and just broadly handle yourself like fine, you know. And so anyway, I think it's a huge mistake. And broadly, it just shows you what a mess the DNC is right now. This is my first- There's now four waiting, so they've doubled their viewership. Wow, huge, huge. All right, let's go to the next one here. I need you to explain this to me. Quote, leaked audio reveals DNC chair is in despair over Dem civil war. Quote, no one knows who I am. And he says, he told this to David Hogg, you essentially destroyed any chance I have to show leadership that I need to. It's really frustrating.

And he is now saying, he's also questioning whether he should quit his job or not. This is the brand new DNC chair. So why is he so mad at David Hogg over this? Because of the threat, didn't he walk back, his threat to primary sitting Democrats? Well, they're booting him out. Right. So what happened basically is that David Hogg, who rose to prominence from Parkland, marched for our lives and became kind of an avatar for this young people's movement against gun violence,

he's also developed some politics that are a bit oppositional to the party. And maybe that's just from seeing the party up close for so long. And he kind of recoiled at it. And so it was kind of interesting when he got elected to the DNC, because if you don't follow it closely, you're like, oh, the guy's probably just a puppet for the DNC. If you follow it closely, you're like, no, that guy actually has his own ideas. Interesting that he got in there. One of the first ideas he kind of rolls out is, and he says, I'm basically going to do this super PAC with tens of millions of dollars that is going to support candidates who are taking on bad incumbent Democrats. And it's just a record

scratch inside the DNC offices. They're like, excuse me, you're going to do what? You're a DNC vice chair and you's going to be to defend the bad incumbent Democrat against the challengers, against the insurgent challengers. And so then they basically push him out of the DNC. They move to push him out of the DNC because they say you can't do both things at once. And if you were going to do both things at once, it would be just a completely different DNC. And then maybe that kind of revolutionary DNC actually can challenge Trump, but that's not the one that they want. So from Ken Martin's perspective, he's the functionary brought in from Minnesota. He ran the Minnesota party. He's like, well, F this man. This sucks. you know, ideas for some things he was going to do better.

Yeah. But now the whole focus is on this Hogg situation. So that's the frustration that you're seeing from him there. He's like, what am I supposed to do now? Now, like, in his defense, he's in this no-win situation. Well, the only way he wins is he goes all in with Hogg. He's like, yeah, we are actually throwing out. Which would never fly. Which is never would never fly with the DNC.

Right. So you're back to no win. Wow. Totally crazy. And so then Hogg, I think it was Holly Otterbein, but it was a Holly. People are like, oh, and now, Hogg, you're leaking DNC audio. He's like, no, I did not leak this. And to prove it, he posts screenshots with, I think, Holly Otter being at Politico of her reaching out to ask for comment on this audio. Wow.

To say, like, look, I didn't leak it. Otherwise, she wouldn't be. Yeah, that's right. That's true. So people are like, oh, so you leaked some text messages to prove you didn't leak this audio. What a mess, man. Just a total, complete mess. Okay, let's put the next thing up here.

These are just hilarious fails that I can't help but highlight. This is more recently Congressman Sarah Jacobs. She tweeted, these immigration raids don't define us. Our response to them does. I am proud to have dinner at Buona Fortetta to show my support to them as they deal with the fallout of the raids where agents threw out flashbang grenades, not hard-armed criminals. We will continue to stand with our immigrant community. So she dined nicely at a Los Angeles restaurant, Ryan, in order to support them in this. It's like a Neapolitan pizza place. She put up an image of it. It looks incredible. Okay. Absolutely looks incredible.

Best Neapolitan pizza is where? Can you guess? And it's not in Tokyo. Oh, New Haven? No, in Tokyo. Tokyo, Japan. Oh, wow. They do it right there. Tokyo looks incredible. Best Neapolitan pizza is where? Can you guess? And it's not Italy. Tokyo. Oh, New Haven? No, Tokyo. Tokyo, Japan. Oh, wow, they do it right there. Tokyo, Japan. Anyway, I'm team Sarah Jacobs on this. I'll eat a wood-fired pizza for any cause.

It's just the tone deafness. It's like, come on, all right? And then finally, I have not yet gotten to react to taco, so please put this up there on the screen. Eric Squalwell. Eric Squalwell. Eric Squalwell. This meme is everywhere. This is Trump tripping on Air Force One stairs. Let's be kind to each other.

Making fun of an almost 80-year-old failing on the stairs. Has no place in our politics. And it says taco fell. So I was not aware of the taco moniker that is new from the Democrats. What is it? Trump always chickens out. It's actually from Wall Street. So Trump always chickens out. Wall So Trump always chickens out Wall Street traders came this is one where the Democrats have decided to brand Trump taco

For negotiating with Iran. Well, yes, okay Chuck Schumer said it no, isn't that the origin of it? No. No the part that you missed Yeah, Wall Street traders love doing these acronyms. Yeah And so the acronym that they came up with to that's basically where you're going long on the market, despite Trump saying he's going to keep his tariffs in place is they call it a taco trade because it's Trump bet on Trump chickening out, your bet's going to come in. And then a reporter. The taco trade. I like it. A reporter then asked Trump, you know, about this Wall Street trade called the taco trade. And he's like, they said, what? I'm no chicken. How dare, how dare you? Like Marty McFly. How dare you? And then the market tanked because they're like, oh no, Marty McFly is now going to, now he's

going to stick with his tariffs for longer. And then Chuck Schumer used it to try to get, to call him a chicken for not bombing Iran. Ah, okay. All right. It's like, isn't that what we want? Trump says he's tough, but Taco Trump will only even bomb the police. Taco Trump will not bomb Iran. It's like, wait, I want the taco then. Give me taco. I'll take three. Same on the tariffs. Variety platter.

Yeah, let's take it. Let's not bomb three different places. That's right. Is that the same price? Keep tacoing. Yeah, nobody tell them about taco if that's what you want. So anyway, so it did become a Dem thing, but it started with Wall Street. Well, now we've got the heroic DNC on YouTube.

We have Representative Sarah Jacobs. Who is incredible in Gaza, by the way. The DNC chairman. Oh, is she? She's really good. Interesting. Really interesting. Why do you think that is?

A congresswoman? Young district? What is it? I don't know. Some of it feels very authentic. She really goes out there and is one of the most outspoken Jewish Democrats on Gaza. All right. Maybe we'll cut her a break there.

All right. Speaking of Israel, why don't we get to it? The BBC announced yesterday that it is indefinitely putting on hold a documentary 15 months in the making called Gaza, Medics Under Fire. Now, while the BBC sits on its investigation, medics in Gaza continue to be targeted. In the past 25 days, Israeli forces have killed 44 health care workers, including three yesterday, according to Health Care Workers Watch. The medics, Hussein Muhaysen, Wael Al-Altar, and Bara'a Afana, who was just 18 years old, were responding to an Israeli airstrike that left civilians crushed under rubble and whose father, also a paramedic, was on the scene where

he was killed but was unable to get to his son because of the relentless bombing. Now chances are you've seen footage of Mohassan before rescuing children from underneath rubble. About a month ago footage of a little girl running through flames went viral around the world. Hussein was the one who rescued her, and he was featured in a New York Times report about the attack, which killed at least 30 civilians at a shelter, including five of the girl's siblings and her mother. Hussein described how the girl was stuck behind an impossibly hot door, and they were able to get people nearby to dump water on her while they worked on opening that door. He rescued another girl from that fire that night. Early in the war, he was featured from behind in a photograph that became famous. In the last message he sent to colleagues, he told them,

quote, the army is hitting near me. I don't think I have much time left. A journalist, Mohamed Aboual Al-Aouf, was with the paramedics and was also killed in the strike. Instead of apologizing for the killing of three medics and a journalist, the IDF has vowed to kill the spokesperson for the Gaza civil defense, the agency responsible for rescuing people from rubble, saying that he is a Hamas terrorist whose crime is to make, quote, false statements to the international media, unquote. They are literally promising to bomb the messenger. What's strange about their anger at the civil defense spokesperson, who has condemned Israel's attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure, is that Israel does not hide its intentions. He's not saying anything

they don't say themselves. Last month, Bezalel Smotrich said publicly, quote, the IDF is finally conducting a campaign against the civilian rule of Hamas. We are eliminating ministers, officials, money handlers, and elements of the economic and governmental system, unquote. They are indeed doing exactly that. The goal is to eliminate any civilian authority in Gaza and replace it with Israeli armed and funded gangs, as Netanyahu acknowledged just the other day. Israel isn't limiting its attacks on civilian infrastructure to Gaza. Israel yesterday ordered the evacuation of three ports in Yemen, threatening strikes.

Donald Trump, meanwhile, was asked about ongoing ceasefire negotiations and said that Iran is now involved. You mentioned now the flotilla. Do you have a response at all about Israel intercepting this boat? And can you give us an update on what's happening to the entry of aid into Gaza right now? We've had people being shot by Israeli forces who are trying to get Gaza right now is in the midst of a massive negotiation between us and Hamas and Israel and Iran actually is involved. And we'll see what's going to happen with Gaza. We want to get the hostages back.

That's all I can tell you. The Iranians, for their part, said yesterday they had obtained intelligence as to the precise locations of sensitive Israeli nuclear sites and would strike them with ballistic missiles if Israel launched an attack on Iran. So those negotiations are ongoing. On Sunday, Sagar, there was a hours-long Camp David meeting that Trump held with Witkoff, Tulsi Gabbard, CIA Director Radcliffe, a number of other generals and top military officials where they talked for a very long time about their strategy of linking negotiations with Iran to a ceasefire in Gaza. And so those talks continue, and we'll see in the coming days whether or not he's able to make a breakthrough. war and occupation in Gaza and then war with Iran, which because they now have this, if you believe

them, and it's a credible claim that they now have this intelligence about Israeli nuclear sites, will not be a cost-free strike on Iran. Yeah, obviously. But I mean, within the talks, Ryan, and you're looking at what happened in Camp David and then these enrichment claims, there's bluster, the Iranians are denying it. Do you think things are still moving in a more positive direction or no? They're still moving. You had this fascinating comment from Trump where he said, the Iranians, they are tough negotiators. Almost too tough. But they're good. They're very good. They're very tough. And he loves tough guys. Yes, he does. And so those are continuing. He loves Witkoff. He's still

publicly saying that his red line is no enrichment, but privately the talks are allowing, would allow enrichment. So as long as they can, and also that perhaps today the Iranian response is expected, which is supposed to be harsh, no, but. Soft yes. No, but here's what we would do. I'm still relatively hopeful. The only thing that I think people need to be on alert for, as you know, is if the details of this come out and there is enrichment, the neocon campaign against this will be an all-timer. It will be one of the most titanic battles that we have seen yet because they are so

activated already over Gaza. Iran is their next stop. They've character assassinated everything they can against. Witkoff, more recently, did you see this whole brouhaha between Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin? Mark Levin apparently at the White House advocating for war with Iran. Every possible avenue that they have to convince Trump to abandon this is currently happening. And so I'm cautiously optimistic, but I would not be surprised if they're able to kill it. The amount of political machinery that they have at their disposal is just completely immense. Yeah. Yeah. We may get war still. We'll see. All right. Thank you so much, Ryan. Great to be with you, my friend, as always. Thank you to everybody who continues to support the show, BreakingPoints.com.

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