S11 E8 | Talking Walking Dead | The Final Season…
00:00Season 11. Episode 8 of the final season titled For Blood, the final episode in part one of a three-part final season.Now, you got it now? Okay. Welcome. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead.Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, Maximus Fisher. I am DB description.the Reapers defend Meridian from an incoming herd. Pope suspects Maggie is behind the attack,while Darrell treads carefully, Alexandria and scramble to protect themselves from a violent storm,leaves them vulnerable to walkers. I found the episode fascinating. We had some things happenthat were enjoyable, although I will say I didn't hurricanes, I mean, hurricanes and storms weregoing through Alexandria, but
01:18it was still a beautiful eveningin Reaper,Reaper City. So,it must have been an isolatedsuper storm over Alexandriais all I'm saying.They did, like, walkquite away from Alexandria.
01:35Yeah, no. I know. I'm justsaying, just saying the weatheris, you know, extremely isolatedduring the Walking Dead.I enjoyed the episode, though, and it wasreally, uh,I expected what's her face to die as well Leah as well as we you know as we got into the episode and we were into, you know, Reaper City and, you know, they saw the rotters coming toward the city and their handling of it.Thankfully, we did, spoiler alert, we lost him.
02:11We lost them.Pope is dead.I did enjoy that death.It didn't happen the way we wanted it to happen.Yeah, I agree.I didn't happen.Yeah, I think I enjoyed the episode too.I thought it was, that was good.
02:26It was just nothing that we,or nothing that I was hoping to happen, happened.They did it their way.Whatever.I mean, apparently, I think they run the show or something,but I still maintain that if they listen to our podcast,they'd have a much better show.I mean, it wasn't our way a better,
02:42ending the lineup.Yes.Even the things that we asked for Judith to be doing, that would have been better.Oh my gosh.Yes.I mean, we got what?One pretty good scene in Alexandria, really?I mean, fighting the storm.
03:00I mean, we had one really good fighting scene, right?We had the Walker, grab the little girl.Judith cuts his hand off and then it gets killed.And then your girl goes out.and has a killing spree in front of the house.Rosita's massacre.That reveal, though, afterwards was so comical.I was like, did like a cartoon writer write that after she burst through the door and there's like the light coming.
03:30Oh, wait.It's almost like this is originally a comic book.It is almost like that, isn't it?The comic, I don't think, would have that ridiculous of a reveal.I was like, it's fine.They do.Not with Rosita specifically, but they do.I was like, come on.
03:47Yeah, they have to.That was good.I mean, it was great.Plus the line, you know, of her coming and still coming off the, the mindset you have to be in to go into, you know, walker destruction mode and stay away from the window.That's funny.That reveals, like, something I would do, like, making fun of something.Like, I go take out the trash, then burst into the back door, like, super dead, and just wait.and just wait there posing for a little bit.
04:14Wait, you don't do that?I do do that.Oh, yeah, okay.Especially, I've got the yard light position perfectly to shadow me.It's for the Instagram post.No problem.Don't worry about it.Actually, that would be hilarious.
04:29We have to do that.So then we, and then the, you know, we got a whole Alexandria thing.I don't know that I, it was just,are they fighting a storm and now because of the stormthe monster herd of walkers are coming into the cityand it just I don't know it just felt like itshouldn't have been what it was to me that's allit's happened before I think like 57 times
04:58that exact same scenario so I don't mind likeI never minded that scene like in other showsbecause it's just kind of cool watching them fight walkers you knowand defend their home.But in this case,it just seems kind of unneeded when we're trying to like push towards the end of this story.We're going to do this again for half an episode.I don't know.
05:20And the cliffhanger is we're still there in the storm and water is coming through into the basement.And that's where the girls are.And I just,I don't know.It just seems like it was pointless.Yeah.I'm there with you.I'm there with you.
05:35But I mean,what piss me out the most about it is if Judith asks,can I help you say yes yesthank youthank youthey did they actually did a little partsegment on that specific thingin the show that comes on after World Beyond
05:53they specifically said the reason they did thatis because there's this little part in the back of all their headslike we don't want Judith to get hurtthat's what well yeah I mean and we talked about that rightI mean they still we talked about that on this showwhere we you know they still you know they want you in the in the show to believe that they still want them to be children and they're fighting to keep that you know that child like shine in their eye that twinkle in the children's eye but that's already gone ship has sailed with her yeah that's already long gone man long gone specifically with her and herschel like specifically her and herschelyeah i mean they've been through itlike r j and gracy no
06:41they still have that but judith and herschel definitely notJudith is like they'reshe's like in training to be theirweapon of mass destructionyou you culture thatin the future when she gets into our 20sif there's a problem you just point her in the directionand it's so that's how you should be looking at this now
07:03yesshe is the theShe's the ruler.I mean,she is the ruler to be and,and will be very soon.So you definitely mold that.Yeah.
07:16By hiding her away with the other kids is not molding that.You're stunting her growth and stop it.And at some point,she fights back from that, right?Enough is enough.How many of you do I have to kill to make my point?I don't think she'll kill any of her family,but.
07:36So then let's go back to Reaper City for a little bit.To the Marri-A-R-R-A.It was fascinating to see that play out.I really, I was fascinated by Daryl opening up his heart to Leah.And you knew that she wasn't in all the way.She was into Daryl, but she's already bought intoreaper land.She's bought into
08:09Reaperland.So it was fascinatingto see hersell out Daryland save himkind of at the same time.Yeah,there was this,
08:20I was still hopingfor the outcomethat I wanted,that she was going to run offwith him.But there was like,right when they took,right when she took out Pope,
08:29and then Daryldid his cool little knife throwto the other Reaper and killed him,she like had that look for just a split second when she looked over there and was like oh crapand she made her decision right there like that was her family darrell was not her family and i waslike right it's see where it was going from there yeah um it was uh it was um well i don't know aboutthat i i did enjoy how the uh reaper city i'm so i know it's meridian don't look at me like thatum it's the it's the it's the it's the it's the it's the it's
09:05It's the theme park of Reaper City.We did, you know, with Maggie and the preacher man sneaking in,with the help of, with the help of Daryl, you know,getting them through, that was, that was cool.I would have liked, the only thing that happened in the Daryl scene on the fencewhen he killed the guy with the cigarette,there's a scene there where he cuts his throat and the guy leans back and he stillhas a cigarette hanging from his mouth that's unlit.
09:32I wanted Daryl just to take that back.I wanted him just to reach over and take that back before he fell off the guard gate.That would be great.Yes, thank you.Lights it up.He doesn't even need to light it.Just take it back.You know, I can't lose these cigarettes.
09:49Too few.There's too few of these bad boys.But no, it didn't happen.I wanted it to, though, desperately.It was, and the launcher that Reaper City had, that Pope had.That was pretty cool.The Arrow launcher.It's like a DIY.
10:04like multiple rocket launcher.Yeah, it was awesome.Yeah, it was awesome.And now we got, we got, we didn't get much of Neegan, though.I was a little disappointed in that.I would have liked to have seen a little bit more of Negan, which I guess we'll get as we get into the battle of Meridian when we come back for the second part of the three-part series of the final season.Yeah, I will say.they just they don't seem to be using that or utilizing their resources on the show like very efficiently.
10:41Like why would you not, Negan's there.Why would you not feature him a lot in the show?It makes no sense.He's the coolest character outside Daryl, uh, on the show.So yeah, it's just absolutely stupid.But, um, uh, completely lost my turn at that where I was going after that.Okay.Well, while you think of that, I mean, we can talk about their kind of setting up, uh, the preacher man.
11:04Gabriel because we see in the preview of what's coming up in the second part of the final season is that Gabriel has a face-off with Reaper City's Preacher Man.And so they're really playing up his struggle with God, you know.Okay, so that goes right into my point.I don't really care about the preacher man's struggle with God and how it juxtaposes with this other rabbi, whatever he is.I find it interesting.You would.Max, you would.I don't care because it doesn't lead towards the plot, the overall plot.
11:45And that's what I was going to say before, before I lost my train of thought, was that why extend this out?Why not end it on that show?Like, be done with the Reapers.Now we got to go to another agonizing.And we talked about it last week.Gosh.Absolutely.you know, we saw with the
12:03with the way that it wasexplained that it wasn't going to endand we, we, that if they needed to followour plan, really, and let's get thisover with. However, however, we werewrong about specifically Pope, wedidn't think he would die this episode.I thought he would. I thought he was going to
12:19get killed in the lineup. That's what Iwas hoping for. Yeah. Yeah, but youwanted everybody to die in that.Correct. Absolutely. Yeah.And I wanted Daryl to specificallykill Leah, which is going to happen.Do you still think that's going to happen?Oh, that might have, you might be right now.
12:34Yeah, I think it out.Yeah, I think so.That definitely needs to happen.And he would have done it.He would have done it last night had she not, and she knew it, which was actually the good move on her part after she sold him out to let him go.Right.If she had not sold him out and yet said, these are my family, then he would have had to kill her right then.Right.
12:57So she saved her life by selling him by letting him go.and selling him out at the same time.Yeah, I still think that the only purpose of this storylineis just to show Maggie and the rest of the doubtersthat, you know, they're a little bit more like Negan and the Saviorsthan they might be comfortable with.That was the only thing.And to show that there's two sides to a coin
13:24between the Saviors and the Alexandria group.That's the only thing.So it would have been,how much cooler and how much more excited would be this morning if it ended like that.And there was a lineup.They take everyone out.They don't really feel great about it, but they realized that what Negan said was true.And now they're all safe and they got their food and everything solved.
13:48That was so cool.Yes.And the maggie could have hot wired another truck and they could have loaded it up.That was actually a good scene with the truck.And they're going to load it up and drove away.Yeah.Ah, that wouldSee, now that episode would
14:00rivaled a lot of my favorite episodesbut instead they do this, whatever.It wasn't bad. It just wasn't great.We got some clipsof the Commonwealth for nextseason, by the way.Yeah.It looks like
14:15it looks like we were wrong.It looks like Eugene gave him Alexandria.It did look like thatin the previews. I don't know thatthat he did, but in thepreview for next season, which is when in February 20th, as that week, it's, you know, the weekbefore if you have AMC Plus, obviously, but February 20th, that Sunday is when episodenine, first part of the second part of the final season begins. It looks like Eugene gave them
14:53Alexandria. It looks like they come riding into Alexandria. It looks that way. It looks that way.the only other option, which it's probably that,but the only other option would be this Stephanieimposter gives them the information.I did not know that was a Stephanie imposter.I completely blew past me.I mentioned it before, but...Wait, what?
15:15I think that the girl at the ice cream shop that we saw,and then who was later we saw as the receptionist for Miltonis the real Stephanie.that's correctI'm convinced that's correctwe rightI think we did talk about thatnot on air
15:35we never talked about it on airwe talk about it off airwell why weren't you recordingwhen we were talkingI mean what it's going on around herewho the heck isthat's correctif you go back and watch
15:48I saw a YouTube video on thisif you go back and watchwhen that receptionistasked about Eugeneshe's clearly worried about himand rightAnd when you go back and look at the imposter, Stephanie,when you go back and look at her scenes,
16:02she seems so awkward.It's like everything she's,Eugene is like almost like they wrote a script for her.Well, yeah,they like wrote a script for her in the show.These are the things that this nerd would like, you know,offer it to him.Right.
16:20So we'll see.I mean,it's possible, right,that I just can't believe that Eugene would do it.But, okay, I guess fine, but he would do it.So anyway, that's where we're at, right?We're at, we have 16 episodes left of the final season.And we still have got to get done with Reaper City,
16:43and we've still got to get the Commonwealth on our side.And then wrap up in a final episode,a huge flash forward to, what, 20 years or something like that,with the kids growing up.We still have like 16 episodes left,so I think we're good.We have time.A little bit of time,
17:05but time.Okay.It's better than having eight episodes left.Which is weird,because I didn't know it was three parts.I thought it was,I thought there was going to be more episodes this timeand then an equal amount of episodes for a part two.
17:21I didn't know they were doing three.Do you listen to this show?No.No.When I listen,I just play back the thing.my comments. I'm like, oh, that's a good point.Which are excellent, by the way.
17:34I love them too, butI'm saying the whole show would be best.And so did you have an opportunity?Also, we're in, nowwe're at the middle groundof this part one of the final season forthe mothership, Walking Dead.We have the final season
17:52of World Beyond.Now next week will beepisode three last night.episode two. And next week we have the beginning of fear. Yeah. So we have fear and world beyond as well.World Beyond still being the step sister though. You know, it's not leading anyone. Did you catch up?I did. I watched it two days ago. So yeah, I finally got so bored. I was like, I'm either going to light my fingers on fire.Yeah. I'm either going to light my fingers on fire or I'm going to watch World Beyond.The most notable thing of that first episode was Iris being an idiot and killing that soldier.
18:32Yeah, I have to care about Iris to begin with to care about that.Thank you.Which I do not.I do not.But I realized, you know what?I realized.So like this goes into you're not utilizing your assets.Like Negan is the cool, one of the coolest characters on Walking Dead.
18:48Right.Show him more.Daryl equal coolness.You do already show him a lot, but you have to.the point is there are cool characters on the Walking Deadyou have to have a cool characterthere are zero cool characters on World BeyondNone
19:04I don't know that I agree with thatThe Julia Armand's characterThe Lieutenant ColonelShe's kind of cool to me in a wayBecause I'm just interestedLike in what drives her I guessAnd she's just very cold and calculatingWhich I think is kind of cool
19:21YeahBut I know Z.There's nobody where I can say, oh, that's a cool character.I want to know more about them.None.Her character is interesting because I still want to know.Like she knows or it appears that she knows almost everything, right?So I love, I want to know the round table that she sits at where she's not the leader.
19:47Because she works for technique.I think she's in charge of the CRM, the military.of the civic republic.There's still the civic republic who she works for.She keeps referencing a general.So I'm curious who the heck that is.She's mentioned him like twice.And we don't know, you know, maybe that's her way of pretending that it's not her making
20:10the calls.Yeah.You know what I mean?It's not me.Well, it's not me.It's that guy over there.Yeah.He's the one that hates you.
20:19It's not me.I didn't want to kill you.but oh wellrightyou knowso like irisshe's like whinykind of pathetic
20:31iris is definitely thelow point of the showhowever dad i know you actually likeFelix and silasi like silassalis is a good characteralthough you know he they'rei'm hoping that we get him
20:46more involved i mean they tried tolast night when they took himto the processing factory where the cell towers are up on the towers or somewherethey're, wherever they're cooking the walkers.They explained it was a culling unit.Okay.You know, they bring them in and then these kids, this guy went out and he rounds up, you know,mentally impaired young kids and has them kill walkers for the hope of someday being able
21:16to wear the uniform, right?We don't know what happened to the guy that.that our man is replacing, right?Did he, did they kill him?Did he run off?What happened to?I mean, we've got, there's three guys that work there,three kids that work there, and he's taking over another trailer that's in the warehouse, right?
21:37So maybe we'll find out then when he finally goes inside the trailer and sees, you know,a note from the guy that was there before him, you know, run away from here.These people are, are mad.Yeah, Silas is the closest one.he's got a little bit of depth in him.They just need to make him cooler.He's got to either embrace the crazyor embrace that he's like
21:58actually kind of big and strong and he can be a protectoror something.He's close,but they haven't really pulled the trigger on it.And I like hope.Oh, God.Serious?Yeah, I do.
22:10I like her.She's awesome.She's like the emo,annoying chick that's like,I don't know.No, she annoys me too.She's just always sad or just,Emo.
22:21I guess she's,she's figured it out.She did kind of,she did kind of try to figure out things with the,she's figuring it out.Yeah,she's as much a,and they all know it.
22:31She's as much of a genius as the dad.Yeah.Right.And,and so they've got to try to keep an eye on her because she can,she can figure it out.And dad knows it too,right?
22:44She just,she just hasn't embraced it yet.Um,and I,you know,the,the,the, the,
22:50the,girlfriend who's the fake girlfriendthat's involvedthe insider to get information from the docshe's she's got to go we got tofind she's got a slip and fall on a bananapeel somewhere and accidentallydie oops
23:05gosh darn it we lost herwhat is JaneI'll give it to you hope is bettershe's leagues but you knowahead of Iris as far as likeyeah great and then next episodewe're getting Elton I'm happy about thatyeah that's the kid with the suit
23:22with the with thematlock suit I love himthe matlock suitit's the same suitall the time it doesn't matter that's what he's wearingit's awesomebut other than thatI mean
23:37you knowthe show is there to give usand we decided this last seasonright the first season is the showis there to give ussome sort of insightto the future.What's outside, what's been going on outside of our walking dead world, our walking dead world.
24:00So I think we definitely need to get more of that soon.And I wish they would have, wish they would have had sped up that process.Yeah.Well, we know, and this, I'm genuinely curious when this happens.We know Jadis is going to be here, which is going to be cool to see her again.right and again let's let's get jadis involved let's figure out you know what what's going on so that we i meanshe's the one that is our connection to rick right so we need to we need to get her on let's go theother stuff is i mean iris walking around with her you know what's his name felix felix and will right
24:46Yeah, yeah.Felix and Will are, you know, a struggling couple.And, but I see, Iris is just, I don't know why I'm supposed to like her because I don't.Yeah.I just don't.I've really, I want to.I feel like, I feel like I'm, I'm a bad person for not liking her, but so be it.I just don't.
25:11But you do like Felix, so that might fix this.Yeah, we'll see.I don't know.I don't know.I still go back tothere's just nobody cool to watch on the show.I mean, you could fix itjust by having a cool personality.
25:25You know, like someone that's interesting to watch.But with all these kidsthat are like struggling to find their identityand you know, all this stuff, I'm like,I don't care.Eln never really struggled.He always pretty much was the same throughout the first season.He was always the nerdy kid,
25:43the one with the suit,the one who knew a lot of things. He never really changed.Except when he waslike crying about his mom and stuff the entiretime, which I don't really care about.It still wasn't a reaching character though.They're all annoying.You just
26:00pissed Max off.I'm not mad.You can tell. I mean, it's okay, son.It's all right. What's funny is with this show,I'm just, I'm like,please give me what I want and what I wantwith this show is just some kind of Rick reference.Just anything.
26:18Rick reference.Again, we get back to our connection is Jadis, right?So let's get to it.Let's find it.I keep waiting for, you know, something, some reference by the doc, the girlfriend down in the testing center or when Hope was walking through some of the testing centers, you know, trying to, you know, figure it out that, you know, we saw a reference there.right something a name in a book uh something that ties it in and we we still don't have thatthat's very frustrating if if on the last episode they have just like the silhouette like a rick silhouetteeven if it's just a shadow or something you know what i mean i would be satisfied with the show
27:02they took forever just to get to that silhouette you know two seasons but i'll say it'ssuccessful if they give us that silhouette oh i'd be i'd be i'd be definitely okay i'd be i'd be down for thatI think we set it up with some kind of message in some booklet, a sign-in book or something that Hope sees at the facility, something.And then the silhouette.Yeah, awesome.Absolutely.Yeah, the whole thing.Though he won't have his boots.
27:31Though he won't have his boots, because Michone grabbed those, nor his hat.But, I mean, I'm sure Rick's got one style.I don't think he's changing it.He's not going to go Metro or anything.I think my favorite scene in this episode of World Beyond is just because of my father's reaction here when Hope was walking through the, was getting the tour and she looks in one of the windows and the researcher just closes the blinds.That was awesome.Yeah, he just looked up at her.Closes him.
28:00I wanted to stab him right in the heart right.So I had to research that, you bastard.That's what I want to mop for so I can ram it through the window and this guy's eye.ball right now, okay?I was, I was expecting somethingfrom the mop. I know.That was awesome.I don't actually want the mop.
28:21That was awesome.The janitor closet.So, okay, so final thoughtsfor the first partof the final seasonfor Walking Dead, Mr. Butchell.A lot of wastedtime and energy.
28:38Yeah.I don't understand the plotlines of any of it. Well, I getthe plot line of Alexandria. They're hurting. They need help. So that's why our group needs to get help fromthe Commonwealth and bring it to Alexandria. I don't understand all this Maggie Reapers. I don't see thepoint now if they didn't. There was a couple of conversations where maybe Maggie wasendeared to Negan a little bit, not endeared, but related to a little bit. So that kind of seems likethe only point to the first half of their story. And so it was a lot of wasted time and effort
29:08getting there. The Commonwealth stuff I loved. I thought it was all cool. I want toto see more of that. It looks like we'll seemore of them getting togetherin the next season, hopefully.Right, right. But I can't say Idisliked it this half, because Ienjoyed most of it. Third, third.Oh, yeah, this third.
29:27I can't sayI didn't dislike it. I enjoyedwatching it. It's just, that thought isalways in the back of my mind, like, you're wasting time,you're wasting time, you know, let's get, let's get onwith it. So, I thinkI think I don't have that thought rightnow just because I know we have a lot of extra episodes that we usually don't get.
29:47As soon as we get to the end of the second part and it's still going like what you're saying,then my mind will be going, hey, you're wasting time.But because we have another 16 episodes, which is what we only have usually,I think that's why my mind is going, okay, they have some time to waste, but not much.well again as you know we talked about earlier i don't disagree with what you guys have pointed outbut i will say that uh time is short i know you think that we still you know we still have thatsecond part before we get to the the final eight episodes but the time is there's only16 episodes and we've got to make a point and to keep hearing the excuse for
30:37from the dead universe that, well, we've got, you know, we've got, you know, does the movies mean anything to you?Okay, well, if that's true, yeah, the movies mean a lot to me, but we were told or we were expected,anyway, to have the walking dead world revolve and get us pointed to the movies, not that the movieswould be the answer to all. I don't know. It's frustrating. I want, I want, I want more, I want moreexplained and more what's going on.We got a little bit more fromWorld Beyond about therest of the world, this
31:15episode, that we hadI mean, we had assumedand kind of guessed, butLieutenant Colonelmentioned what wasgoing on around the world, right? That onetime where she talked about thefall and how we're getting back to it.
31:32I think it was Lieutenant Colonel that talkedabout that. It might have been the scientist.But anyway, they talked about the world.and what was going on.So that, you know, we're getting a little bit more information technically on that.But to think that we have these, you know, 16 episodes is, you know, so much time.It isn't.Yeah.
31:52And it isn't at all.There's a lot.There's a lot of ground that needs to be covered.No question.Anyway, I'm, you know, looking forward to it.So we have fear and world beyond next week.For those of you listening to this and you aren't subscribers.What are you doing with your life?
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