Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Joel Embiid drama, Everybody hates Draymond Green, Jeff Teague shades PG13

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and J.R. Smith react to Tyrese Maxey calling out Joel Embiid during Philadelphia 76ers team meeting after their 4th straight loss. Later, Unc, Ocho and J.R. react to Golden State Warriors’ Draymond Green saying people want him suspended because of the NBA’s low ratings and he calls out Memphis Grizzlies HC Taylor Jenkins for being “soft,” Jeff Teague calls Philadelphia 76ers Paul George the "Tobias Harris” of the team and much more!03:13 - Show start03:45 - Intro06:26 - Cavs v Pelicans28:10 - Grizz v Sixers56:00 - Teague calls Paul George the Tobias Harris of the 76ers1:04:00 - Draymond Green(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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starting line, except Peyton. They, the Cavaliers led by as many as 34 points. They unbeaten at home nine games. Donovan Mitchell played only 20 minutes. Evelyn Mobley logged just 18, but they blow out the Pelicans 128 to 100. And they look to be for real. I understand they dropped last night.

I still think the Celtics are the best team in the NBA considering their depth. But the Cavaliers are gonna, I believe the Cavaliers are gonna be there. We know the Sixers are not, we're gonna talk about the Sixers a little later, Swish. The Sixers are not what we thought they were gonna be. The Knicks are still trying to figure it out.

Milwaukee got back on the winning track. They looked good tonight. Yonis was incredible tonight. But Swish, when you look at the Cavaliers, what do you like so much about what you see from the Cavaliers, what do you like so much about what you see from the Cavaliers? I mean, the thing to me that sticks out the most

about the Cavs is like, they got two superstars that can take over the game. And it reminds me a lot about how Braun and Kai used to do. They literally used to take turns and the way Donovan Mitchell and Daris Garland just take over the game. And then the support and cast around them just fits in because nobody's trying to outdo one another.

They just trying to do their job at the end of the day. And when you got guys playing like that and you got, you know, a coach like Kenny that you want to play for, it makes it easy. It makes the game that much easier. But to go back to that Pelicans thing, man, I went to the game last night when they played Dallas and we definitely could play. Ocho, you could get 32 in that game.

You could have got 32. 32 any game, but go ahead, I got you. I get 32 any game. Yeah, I swish I agree with you. Look at, because last year it seemed like Garland, because Mitch had just got there, they had a hard time cohabitating together. It seemed like Garland played better

when Mitch wasn't on the court. Mitch could take the game over when Garland wasn't on the court. Obviously, Mobley and Jared Allen's gonna do what they do. You got two seven footers. He's gonna command the paint. Jared Allen's gonna be rim protect. Mobley's a nice defender,

but he stepped his game up. Mid-range game, can shoot the three. So I like what they have. You know, you got a veteran in Tristan Thompson. You got Niang that can shoot the three. He had an unbelievable night tonight. He has six and 12 from the three point line. And that's what you need.

But for them to get off to this start, I don't think anybody saw this coming. Everybody thought with the addition of Paul George and Billy, they were gonna be good with Carl Anthony. And they still can. It's early in the season, Ocho, what are they? Yeah, very early. Probably 16, 17, less than 20 games into the season.

We see the Knicks, they're winning, they were up by like 16 on the Suns minus KD. And so the Knicks gonna take some time for them to blend Carl Anthony in. The Heat, they up and down, but I think when it's all said and done, they'll probably be there at the end. But I think everybody's in unanimity here

that we believe the Celtics are the best team in the East. Go ahead, Ocho. Are the Celtics the best team in the East because they've started off the season so well, or you basically based them in the best team in the East simply because they won the championship last year? Nah, they're the best team. You look at what they can throw at you,

JT and JB can go get you 34 in a given night. You look at Derek White and Holliday, great defenders that can chip in with somewhere between 15, 20 in a given night. Now mind you, Prozincas is really not playing. And they got Pritchard coming off the bench. They're deep. They're, they're legit.

They're, they're for real. And the thing is, I think in order for them to be, they want to be thought of as a great team, they don't want to waste these guys in their youth. You got JT, you got JB, you got these guys in their, in their youth. They go like, let's try to stack a couple of these things. Let's try to get two, three or four of these things. So when it's all said and done, because if you just get one championship with these guys, you wasted it because you drafted both of them. They got an opportunity to come up. You made trades early on.

You brought in Derek White. You got in holiday. So if you only win one championship swish with this team, are you undercheat? Well, then then that brings my next question. Hey, switch. You could probably answer this. I mean, you can answer it, too. So how many championship do you think they can get? So in comparison, excuse my lack of knowledge of the game of basketball.

When I think about the Lakers, when Shaq and Shaq and Kobe were paired together and they were able to have that run, but a rift between the two, whatever it might be, caused them to break up because they could have won multiple they could have won many more maybe two or three more if they had stayed together it do you think it's the same same thing for the celtics i don't think so i don't i don't think so either swish go ahead swish i'll let you ask it first i mean i don't i don't think so i think that they they're very fond of one another they really

genuinely have a genuine relationship and they really care about one another to me. And I think the only thing that really breaks it up is if the team falls into a situation to where they can't pay a guy or two. And then you fall in those situations then I can really make a riffle in the team depending on, then that's where you see how good your GM is.

You know what I'm saying? Because that's what Oklahoma City did a great job with that, with so many, you know, over the years, continuously picking great guys in San Antonio that just fit their system. And it's not, no matter who comes in and out of that position, they find a guy, a blue guy, in those certain positions

to where ain't much you can do. Yeah, I think you gotta maximize this opportunity to switch within the next three years because these contracts are gonna come due. I mean, JB making 300 and JT making 300. That's gonna be next contract's gonna be 400. You got Holliday making 130. You got Derek White making 130. You got Derrick White making 130.

Prozingis is gonna want money. And so you're probably gonna lose pretty much. Al about to sit down. Yeah, Big Al gonna take whatever because he's happy. He likes the situation. He's winning when you play that long a switch. Now maybe he's looking for one last payday, but he's made a lot of money.

He got paid max dollars in Atlanta. He got paid big dollars to go to Boston. He got more money to go to Philly. He came back to- Yeah, but I'm not even talking about money. I'm just talking about being able to sit down. Like, shoot, he won a championship. He old, he getting up in his age.

He might want to stay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a person and personality that can take a front office job somewhere. He might want to, you know, take a back seat. Yeah. And so I think that's the biggest thing, Ocho. I don't see Kobe.

I think that, and I could be wrong, but you were, you were like around this wish or you was there, you kind of saw it. I think you were just coming into the league. But when you look at it, Kobe needed his own team. Kobe had gotten tired of playing second fiddle. And a lot of times that's what happens. Guys get tired.

Huh? Second fiddle. He was, it was Shaq. Shaq was winning the finals MVP. They were saying that Shaq was, we saw what Kobe was doing. 30, 40, 20, 30, 18, 35, and 22. Yeah, Shaq, look at going with Shaq average in the finals.

He was 38 and 16. He was 35 and 17. Man, God rest his soul, Cole was that man, but that was Shaq team. Yes! And so he wanted, and look, had Shaq stayed in better, if Shaq could have maintained his weight and conditioning, let's just say for another three to four years, they know they underachieved.

Cause you won't ever see a duo like that again. A guard and a B. You won't see it again. Not like Shaq. Not like Kobe. No, but Shaq can tell you though, Shaq can tell you he underachieved and he ain't take it as personal or as serious as Kobe did.

And that's what their major frustration was. Like what you got. That's what Kobe frustrated with you. Yeah, like you got somebody that big and that dominant, he like, bro, if he just worked out a little bit, like you just did something. He just, he out here, he in and out chilling with Uncle Rome, you know what I mean?

He just do a shoot of movies and do what you gotta do. We're trying to win six, seven of these things. Right. And they should have. They definitely should have won more than three. Yeah, you heard what you said about, as far as the Celtics being able to keep their, the core players intact, and at some point,

players are gonna wanna get paid. Well, hell, shouldn't the Celtics always be all right? As long as they have Tatum and they have JB, and long as you be able to build around those two, you should be fine and right. Ocho, but you got to realize, you think about it, they're paying a billion dollars in salary. You got two guys on your roster, 300 million plus.

The next contract, and what's going to be Ocho? 400 million plus. So that's 800 million. They young too. They young. Jason Taylor just turned 26, Ocho. 26. He might catch another two max deals.

Yes! At five, six years, four, five, six years. It's old, you think about it. And look, holiday, holiday, they just, I think they just locked up holiday. We just lost JR, but he'll be back shortly. They just locked up holiday. We just lost JR, but he'll be back shortly. They just locked up holiday. What did they give holiday?

Four years for like one 20, one 30. But it's like 30 plus a year. Derek White got like 130 a year. And so when you factor that in, Ocho, they's like, hold on, we like winning championships, but they ain't gonna. Yeah. At some point in time, Ocho,

I wanna try to win a championship, but I want to cut the cost. Oh, they ain't over like that. Oh, it is not like that. So he got a holiday got four years, 134. What did Derek White get? He got four years, one 18. So that's two, that's two 52 right there. You got a 300 and 306 million dollar guy. So that's over 500 million.

And now you got another three 18 guy. So you're over $800 million with four guys. There's 12 to make up a roster. You got Prozinger's Prozinger's probably making 30. What is Prozinger's? He's got to be at least 25 to 30 a year. You got two years 60.

So that's 30 million. Right. So now you're pretty close to nine. You thought I'll whore for what did I'll get. I'll make it 15. That's a 900 million right there. We're six guys. You got another six guys.

Hey, but but look, it's paying dividends though. It's paying off. It's paying off And so but see here is the thing they already want to sell it because the value is high You just won a championship and they see what this thing is going now, right? You see where it's going these prices ain't coming down. Hey, this is the last year of the old TV deal Next year is the new TV deal. That's my money. So they're like, you know what?

We bought for low, we never, hey, we good. Let somebody else worry about it. And so that's kind of where it's headed right now. Let me know if they need a 10 day. Yeah. You must be in a silo. I'm trying to fix it. I'm trying to get through that.

We hear you, but we don't see you. The Cavs bounced back last night from a 1-21-17 loss in Boston last night. We got this stats, Ash. Can you put the game stats up? The first loss of the season. So now they're 16 and one, they were 15 and 0, they lost last night 15 and one.

Now they're 16 and 0, but they're undefeated at home. It was a very good game. Jason Tatum, did Jason Tatum type things. I think he dropped 32 last night. If you could find that game from last night, Boston, Cleveland. Put it up on the iPad. But you will look, it was yesterday Jordan.

Bear with us guys, while JR tries to fix his, uh. What's cold in here, boy? Oh. What, in the hotel room? Yeah, man, I'm in New York. I'm in New York, and I can't find where the, you know, they put me in this little boutique hotel. I can't find nothing in here. Nah, that's one thing. them little chic boutique hotels,

I don't be liking them. Yeah, they too small. You know, I'm set up in the bathroom, huh? Yeah. A little ass room is 800. Hey, they should be ashamed of themselves. Yeah, man, I remember one time I was in the room, oh, chose, hell, I'm from the bed.

I could just roll over and brush my teeth. I said, what kind of boy, I said, what kind of boy? What kind of boy job is this, man? Hey, JR, I been in the band brushing my teeth. Laying down, watching TV, putting my toothbrush under the sink. Hey. Listen, it's smart.

It's cute. I don't know if that's the right word to use for a boutique hotel. It's cute. It looks, you know, very modern. But, uh, listen, I could touch the wall that's the right word to use for a boutique hotel. It's cute. It looks it looks, you know, very modern. But listen, I could touch the wall and touch the door. Yes. Oh, Joe, see, people say I think I'm lying. Oh, Joe, I'm literally I can open the door from the bed. I didn't even have to get up.

I mean, I'm like, what? Oh, but you know, it had these had little square fixtures and they had the little all the little glasses and the only look, I was like, what? Oh, but you know, it had these, had little square fixtures, and it had the little, all the little glasses, and man, I don't need, look, I wanna sleep. That don't do me no good with my eyes closed. But switched last night, the Celtics won 120, 117. You got 33 points from Jason Tatum. You got 20 from Big Al. You got 11 from Holliday.

You got 19 from Derek White. You got 17 from JB, and you got 11 from Holliday, you got 19 from Derek White, you got 17 from JB, and you got 13 from Peyton Pritchett. Peyton Pritchett, people don't give him enough credit, but he comes off the bench, he's a little spark low. He gonna give you great defensive play, he gonna get you somewhere, but he gonna get you 10 a night.

But he never hurt you though. He gonna give you a couple big threes. Well this was big, he not gonna hurt you. He gonna get you extra possessions, he gonna knock down big shots. Be consistent. Did this game play out kind of how you think? Then the thing was the three point shot.

Boston shot 22 of 41, 54%. 51% from the floor. It's hard to beat a team. If you let a team shoot 54% from the three and they get that many threes off a jail and you let them shoot 52% from the floor. It's hard to beat a team unless you shoot 58% from the three and 54% from the two board line. It's hard to beat a team when you allow them to shoot that that high percentage from the floor. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side,

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or wherever you listen to podcasts. Yeah, it ain't I mean, it's hard. It's hard to be changed. And then like, I think they models like they try to shoot up. I think they're trying to shoot 53 game. Game is crazy. Like, bro, I ain't gonna lie. I shot 21 or 22 in the game one time, but it was all wide open looks. They were doubling Braun, they were doubling K-Lo,

they were doubling Kyle. I was just out there and then getting open looks. But to be able to shoot 10, 12 a game, when I first came into the league, to shoot six was a lot. You shooting 12 to 13 a game as one player and then a team you shooting 50, that's man, I played in the wrong era.

Yeah. I played the wrong game. They got up 60 the other night, Jared. They shot 61 threes as a team. The Celtics shot 61 threes the other night. Against, oh my God. They had to win. They did.

Oh my God. 61. Yeah, I mean, cause you look at it, JT was six of 10, Al was four or five, Holliday was three or four, Derrick White was four or seven, Brown didn't shoot the ball from three very well, he was two or seven,

but Pritchard was three or six, and Hauser. Hauser's another guy that can come in and let the three ball go. He can get streaky hot and make four or five coming off the bench. He was over two. So there were 22 of 41 from the three point line. It's only three people.

And all those people that you name that I know for sure, like know exactly who that is. Well, in order to be able to shoot those type of shots and be able to play. That's that's that's that, that's incredible, man. That's incredible. Because my, Byron Scott ain't going for it. Him, George Carl, they ain't going for it.

K-Mart, you shooting threes? Oh hell nah. Hey Lee, you shooting threes? Oh hell nah. That many threes going up, man. You better be making them. They better be making 50 percent. Man, I remember when they first instituted the three point shot back in 79.

And Chris Ford from the Celtics made the first three. I mean, he was shooting one or two again. That's great. Well, they were shooting. If you shot, I mean, sometimes teams wouldn't even shoot. The only time they shot threes was the end of the first quarter, end of the shot clock. So stuff like that, J.R.

It wasn't no running no sets to try to get somebody to shoot a three. You shot one out of necessity. The shot clock winding down, it was the end of the quarter, end of the half. Late in, you know what I'm saying, you down by three and somebody launching it. Now they run in plays to get somebody to the three.

In transition, guys ain't running to the front of the rim, they run into the three point line. For sure. Wait, so you saying back in 79, when they first incorporated three point, everybody was, it was training post game in mid range. Oh, that's how it was. Hell yeah, you played, everybody wanted a big.

You had to get a big because you wanted to dump it down. That was it. Correct. 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, everybody wanted a big. You had to get a big because you wanted to dump it down. That was it. 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, even in the 90s. Well, Steph Curry, I mean, they started shooting more threes in 2000s, but it was Steph and the Warriors that came in and said, oh, it's okay, there is no such thing as a bad shot. Because Swizz, you back in the day,

oh no, no, no, okay, good job. Now they encourage you to shoot the three. It's kind of hard for you to be an elite player if you can't shoot the three unless you're so physically talented like Ayanis. Look at LeBron. LeBron has been able to stay around a lot longer because what?

He developed a three ball later in his career because he realized that was one of the ways he was gonna be able to stay around because he's still athletic. he can still get downhill, but it takes so much out of you to constantly try to go through one, two, three players and get to the rim. Hell, man, y'all left for the time being.

I done finished that out here and hit a couple of threes on y'all ass. Yeah, it's like a boxer, man. You out there jabbing, throwing jabs. I set you up. Yeah. Because trust and believe, you get down to the nitty gritty,

he getting to that, he getting to that. Oh, he going to the paint now. Yeah, he gonna get down here. And then he know what he can do. Right. You saw in the Olympics, when the rubber needed to meet the road against the dam, what did he do?

He put his head down, he said, I'm going to the rim, stop me if you can. I think when he was with Miami, he was shooting like 68, 70%, something crazy, like all the way. Oh yeah, he shot like 57% from the floor. It was nuts. He had a run.

When I remember he was coming through the guard and I was just like, damn bro, like he was. Oh, I remember that, Swish. He had like six or seven games where he shot 60% from the floor. Yes. And it wasn't all layups. He was shooting threes, he was shooting the mid range,

and it was the game, if I'm not mistaken, it was the game before the All-Star game. He had it, and he just took a, he took an off balance three against OKC. That dropped him 160. Yeah. That dropped him up under it. Guys, we gotta talk about this game.

The Grizzlies defeated the 76ers last night, one 17 to one 11. But, okay, we're gonna talk about this what transpired yesterday, but tonight the Grizzlies beat the 76ers. But the big story came yesterday. After the sixers four straight loss, Kyle Liery called for a team meeting.

Players and coaches held each other accountable and took fault for the start of the season. Maxie challenged Joel Embiid to be on time to the team activities, calling him out for being late for everything and how it impacts the locker room from the other from the other players to the coaching staff. Oh, Joe, which you are known. Yes, sir. Oh, Joe, you remember I told you last year in 1995, Mike Shanahan, first game as the head

coach, I won offensive player of the game. I had 10 catches for a buck 80. I was offensive player of the game, but there were some plays that Shannon was bull driving. So they call, he called me in his office and he said, 84, he said 84, I want to talk to you about something. I thought I was doing, you gonna call me in and congratulate me like, Ocho he said 84. I want to talk to you about some, I thought I was doing, you gonna call me in and congratulate me like, Oh, it's your 10 for a buck 84 tight end.

Oh yeah. So he puts the tape on, swish. And I'm looking, loafing, didn't get out the break, half assing on the block, cut the tape off. He says, I'll never accept anything on a win. I wasn't in a loss. So let me ask both of you guys. Did you think Joel and be just starting showing up tarted to these activities this year or

did he do it when he was winning the MVP? Did he do it when they were winning? You see, you accepted it. You tolerated it when you was winning. Now it's an issue. Now you see why I say you don't tolerate anything in a way and you wouldn't have a loss. This is why. Yeah. If you think Joe LMB just started showing up late this year,

if you think this is the first time that he's been tardy, this man said, how about showing up on time for all things. This is why. This is why. And you know, the funny thing about it is, especially when it comes to time like this, when you're losing, everything else is magnified. They find all the reasons and you know the funny thing about it is especially when it comes to time like this when you're losing Everything else is magnified. They find all the reasons, you know

You were doing it before but you know, they brush it off because you winning Not only are you winning when Joe Ellen beat is on the court? You know what you get you know what you get when he's on the court But it's the problems now when you're losing then they start. I'm not saying it's nitpicking, but again, you get down to the root of the problem. The root of the problem is whatever they see fit doesn't fit as what we do as a team. So as a team, we have one person that's showing up late,

even if it may be our best player, but I think they've given Tyrese Maxey the keys to the 76. So he feels it's his duty to call out the other players on the team. I love it. And that's where they are now. Honestly, man, the biggest takeaway from this whole thing

for me, because I worked out with Tyrese, like I worked out with him when he was going to pre-draft. I worked out on his first couple of years in the league. I was obviously my tail end, but like to see his growth to where he's at now and to be able to call out the MVP, I'm like, yo, bruh, I love it. I love that shit.

Like, bro, nah, I don't, for me, that was my biggest complaint about any and everything. Don't tell me to do something that you not out here doing. There you go. Don't tell me to be here on time if you not showing up on time. Don't tell me to watch film if you not watching film. Don't tell me to be here on this screen

if you not there on that screen. Don't tell me to communicate on defense if you just out there just. I don't wanna hear that bro. It's accountability all the way from the top to the bottom. And when when you get a player like that, man, shut up Tyrese, man. I rocks with that. That shit is tough. I like you.

You ever had to call somebody out when you was playing? Yeah, we always do. You got to. But you don't make a young, a that that would call the riff between Tyrese and Embiid. Did you have to do that publicly, though? They got it. I don't think he said it.

He didn't say anything. It got out. Just like everything that happened in the locker room. It get out. Somebody going to go jail. You know how this thing work, Ocho? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, either a player has a,

either a reporter has a relationship with a player or he has a front office person or he has a coach. It's getting out. That's what people get upset. People got upset with Stephen A when he said that a Stefan Diggs was unhappy and he was gonna want out. Oh, he made that up. Where's Stefan Diggs now, Steve Ocho?

Yeah, he out of there. Yeah, people, but the thing is a lot, I'm not saying always, but a lot of times when these reporters get stuff, where you think Adam Schefter? Where you think Wode? Where you think get stuff, where you think Adam Shepter? Where you think Woj? Where you think Shams?

Where you think Jay Glazier? Rest in Soul Chris Morrison. Where do you think they got these stories from? You gotta come from somebody. Yeah. Within the organization. I'm not gonna lie, it took me so long to understand that, even being in the business,

like just like really understanding the business of it all. Shit just came coming out of nowhere. Like it's coming out, but you gotta watch how the plays or how shit play out to really see the trades or the free agent moves or whatever else. It's so deeper than rap, it's crazy, man. And you got agents, agents telling. So it's not, it's not, and people like, I don't do it.

I mean, I know a lot of stuff. I mean, things that was going on, but that ain't my job, Ocho. I ain't no insider. Right, right, right, right. But I talk it away, but people say, Shadda, how you know? Don't worry about it.

I know. Don't you worry about how I know. Cause I ain't giving them no sources. Everybody state your source. No That's just like just all the scandals think about all the whistleblowers Oh Joe if I gave up my source, there'll be a lot of stuff We'd have never known Watergate would have never happened without deep throat Mm-hmm all the audience are the cigarettes and nicotine how addictive it was if that person didn't blow the whistle, that they were adding high levels of nicotine

because they knew it was addictive. And that's why people have a hard time quitting smoking. Yeah. All the things when they had the Iran Contra, all the stuff that was going on in government. Without that, so nobody's gonna give up their sources, but people think this notion, and I'm not saying that reporters haven't made up stuff,

but a lot of the stuff that these reporters are saying, oh, they're coming. They're coming right out that locker room. Either agent gave it up, a player gave it up, a coach gave it up, or a front office person gave it up. See, to me, it's not necessarily on the reporter, bro. It's like, to me, it's on the person who's saying it. Cause like for me, if I say something,

I'm gonna tell you, all right, Ocho, you can go wherever you wanna go and say that I said this. Hey, you go wherever you wanna go and say I said this. But in certain situations, you sitting there like, hey man, don't tell nobody how I told you. Like bro, hold up, bro. I ain't with all that.

Like that shit right there, I ain't with all that, dog. Nah, I don't even tell nobody how I told you. I ain't going, Ocho, first of all, I ain't telling nothing. Right. I ain't telling nothing. Because the way I look at it, like my family. Stuff that was in my family, why would I go tell somebody we ain't got no running?

I mean, after the fact, I'll tell you 20 years later. But you thought I was going to tell somebody that secret on show what I'm actually living in it. Absolutely. Oh, no. Right. So if I'm playing and even now, I might say some things that happened in the locker room. So for the song, I never tell who was it, who did this. But I'm like these reporters and people get mad.

Oh, he just know, bro. Now, these reporters and people get mad. Oh, he just, no bro. Nah, people be really, people be diamond other people out. That's how I feel about the soup incident. Like that happened in the practice facility. Like, come on, bro. How did she get to the meat? Oh, you thought the soup was the man? Come on, Swizz.

But not only that though, but like y'all, they don't find out until, like they don't suspend me into the league and everybody else find out until like they don't suspend me until the league and everybody else find out. Like, so it wasn't embarrassing. It wasn't no egg on your face until everybody else found out until this shit get leaked. So then y'all gotta now look like y'all gotta do something.

But like, bro, like, come on, man. That shit is weak. But my thing is those twitch with see, Ocho, now you see why sometimes guys don't matter. How many times you think Kobe showed up late? A Jordan, a Braun, Bird, Magic. There's a reason why guys are great. Look, guys are great.

And then you have, I mean, there's levels to this. I mean, we all might live in the same house, but some of us got bigger rooms. I'm number 267 in the Hall of Fame, but Reggie White and A.O.T. and Time, they're on different floors. I'm in the house, I'm in the building, but there's levels to this.

My thing is with Joel, if God gave you that kind of ability, wouldn't you wanna to maximize it? I'm gonna be in the best shape I possibly can be considering. Big men don't play long because of the size and because of the lower extremities. You got knee, you got feet, Big Bill Wong. You look at Shaq, you look at a lot of the big men, they have issues that small guys don't have

because of the weight disparity, Ocho, and getting that up and down, 300 pounds, up and down, up and down. Hey, how much you make? Who, me? How much I make? How much Joelle make? Joelle and B just signed a three-year extension for 193 million.

Yeah, he ain't doing that. I got a question. You think, what if MB doesn't love the game the same way Tyrese Maxey does? What if MB doesn't love the game the same way that- Thatey does? What if MB doesn't love the game the same way that that's possible? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Y'all about to criticize him for the same thing y'all criticized Ben Simmons for before?

Because that's the same thing. That was the same argument when when when Joelle was quote unquote calling out Ben Simmons talking about how much he ain't love the game and didn't do X, Y and Z. So now what's going on? No, I'm just asking a question, Swish. I'm saying, do you think maybe NB doesn't love the game the same way as the other players that are always on time? Or maybe he doesn't love the game

the same way Tyrese Maxxie does? Oh yeah, what? Maybe he doesn't love it that way. To putting the time, to take care of his nutrition, to take care of his weight. I'm just, maybe it's different. I'm just curious, I'm just asking. I think swish, cause this is swish sports,

but let me tell you how I looked at it, Ocho. I remember when I made the decision that I was gonna eat healthy, I looked at my body one day, and here I was eating fast food three times a day, and I had 8% body fat. And nobody could believe it thought I thought I could eat like this. So for like two years, it was Burger King for breakfast.

It was whatever fast food I could get for lunch and then on the way home. I love Dairy Queen. So I was on them Dairy Queen. I was on the Dairy Queen hard, but I had 8% body fat and one day I was like, I wonder if I had a cousin that's in bodybuilding. I've always been a bodybuilding fan. I said, man, I wonder if I would like eat healthy. What my body looked like.

Two weeks, Ocho. Man, look here, in two weeks, I was shredded like a Trump tax return. Waste disappeared like a Clinton email. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? I went head to head with Ford. I lost the fight, cuts everywhere. I was hooked! And so, if I'm, if that's the way I look,

and that's what, that's what's so why I couldn't coach Ocho, because you look at guys with so much God-given ability And you look at guys that don't have that kind of God-given ability and you see they give their Everything right be the best they possibly be and you see a guy that's got so much more God-given ability Bulljiving and give you 35 give you 50 give you 70 and around Yeah, yeah, it makes you bad I've seen guys Glenn Porter's pissed me off cuz I know he should have been in the Hall of Fame, but he wouldn't work. He was a lazy mofo Was that good Oh Joe is it the diet or is it the work habits? Oh he had But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,

but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, mean, obviously, you know how my dad was, wish you know about me and my love for McDonald's, but I was an animal when it came to working. I mean, I'm still the same way. I don't even play no goddamn moat and I still work as if I might get a call.

See, that's the thing that's different for y'all. Y'all so used to being in the weight room. Like, y'all are weight room junkies. I was never that. I was a gym rat. Like, you catch me in the gym, the ball bounce in. I don't need no, I don't need, this is all fluidity, baby. This is flow.

I don't need none of that. So for me, it's hard for me now. Like that's why I feel like golf is so great for me because I can just walk right into it and just flow opposed to hitting the gym and doing all this extra calisthenics and all that. I don't need all that. But like certain people like,

yo man, I envy y'all, bro. I can't do it. Getting there in the gym two hours, three hours a day still right now, retired? No. I was that guy's wish. I felt that if I didn't train two hours a day, I wasn't intense.

And I'm talking about, look, when I train a man rope man, we would go in the gym. I was like, what's up, I wasn't intense. And I'm talking about, look, I'm not trying to me and wrote man, we would go into gym. I like, what's up, dog? What we got today? You say we got this. We would not say another word until the workout was complete. They're straight work. Yeah. And I've talked, I've talked about, I've talked about lunch. We lunging the whole gym. We lunch. We lunging. We doing leg press with six eight ten plates aside

Yeah, and leg extensions Hack squats lunch the gym We doing that for an hour That's me. That's me and I was like but That's that's all I know because I do I said Lord if you get me out of this environment. I'm not coming back The most impressive thing you can show me about a person is that when he gets the money he works as if he's broke Yeah, you look at LeBron you look at Steph you look at KD you look at Jordan

You look at Colby look at the greats look at Tom Brady Everything Tom Brady had accomplished. He was accomplished on top of accomplishments. And you never know. Peyton Manning, you never know. T.J.Y., look at the guys. And you know. A lot of it is accessibility, man, to be honest. I mean, it's accessibility

and being able to repeat it over and over again. Like imagine if like, when you was a kid, you know, like what I used to think about all the time when I was a kid, when I was seven, eight, nine years old, like damn, I wish I just had a gym. I wish I just had a gym I could just shoot all day. I'd be in there all day, all night. I'd sleep in that gym, I promise you, bro.

And when I made it, I was in the gym all day, all night. Like that's what it, like there's no, that's what it is, that's just safe haven. 2 a.m., I got the key, I got the code, put my fingerprint in, I can go in, do whatever. I can sit in a cold tub, I can sit in a hot tub, I can get shots up, I can just sit there and watch TV, do whatever I wanna do.

But like that right there, like, that's what resonates with me with like a person like Joelle. Like bro, you sat out your first, what, two years? Yes. Like, bro, and then you go from that to winning the MVP to have an opportunity with a Paul George and a young Maxie who's just on a rise. Like, you're gonna hand the keys off

and to win a chip after a Boston, I don't know, man. To me, the next Boston series is serious. So I never played for Philly, but I would assume they got the same rivalry in the same conferences like we had. So I would assume he would take that, some shit like that type personally. Then you play on a team with him in the Olympics.

Like. Yes. And he had to see, everybody talks about LeBron. If Cole told me the first day of the year, he shoot. It's not an accident that LeBron is playing as long as he is, and he's playing at the level he's still playing at. That's not an accident.

It's not an accident that Tom Brady played as long as he did and he played at the level that he played. That's not an accident. When you were growing up, you say, Lord, what did you do to get to where you got? You mean to tell me you would stop that after you got there? That's the problem.

Because see, a lot of times, Ocho people have climbed the mountain and they, but the greats find another mountain to scale. Yeah. That is the difference. I think that's hard too, because those two people like Braun and Tom Brady, they were able to carve out their own future. A lot of people ain't able to do that.

This man got a three year extension for 193, he got a deal to begin with. Yeah, but I'm saying like in their years, like at the end, like quote unquote, at the end of the career time is 21, 22 years in, like they're still able to pick and choose what they wanna do, where they wanna go, opposed to being like, you know what?

We're gonna trade them here, trade them there, trade them here, trade them there, you know, cut them and pay them out. If I had $500 million, I'm gonna do what I wanna do. And I ain't gonna do that before 12 o'clock. Think about, Swish, think about the money these guys making up. Ocho, a 60 million, guys used to buy teams,

the entire team for $60 million. Mr. Boland bought the Broncos for $68 million. That Prescott makes $60 million. Mr. Boland bought the Broncos for $68 million. That Prescott makes $60 million a year. Now that's the age. The guy bought the Steelers for $1 million in 33. We'll talk about it, we'll talk about it. Think about it, think about it. Think about it, boy look here,

the money and they'll still pay so you can be 15 years in and making 50 million, what job you know that pays a guy unless you a CEO of a company. $50 million a year, Ocho. Boy, ain't nothing like that. But it also tells you a lot about a person when you winning an Olympics and they was already talking about you going to go play

with somebody else in the next Olympics. Like you winning the gold. You talking about you going to play some more. Like it winning the gold. You talking about you going to the place it tells you enough. Like what more you want to see? He's not a team guy. He don't care. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side and Liar's Poker.

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But like I said, it's hard. He had to take it serious. Because he's a big, how much you, how much you think, how much you think Joel and B ways wish? Three what? I mean three, damn. Yeah, that's the same thing I said. My uncle told me with 300.

If LeBron 260, you don't think Joel and B 300? Yeah, Bron is a different 260 though. And Bron like 275 to be honest. He like 275. So if he 275, how much you think Joel and B-Wade? If he 275, I say Joel and B might be like 310, 315. I think he bigger than that. Joel, Shaq came in the league. He ain't bigger than Shaq. But you gotta know, when Shaq first got into the league,

Shaq was like 320. Now look how skinny Shaq Neckhills when he's in Orlando. Yeah, but Shaq was different though. Shaq was 320, but Shaq was a 320 that could have been a small forward 320. Joel B, 315, 320 is a straight big man, 315, 320. He can shoot a little hezzy and got a little move and all that.

But when I talk about up and down running, Shaq got all that. No, no, no, that ain't what Joel was doing. I give Joel a beat, I think Joel would be 330, I think he's 330, 340. Kamikaze Shaq? Oh my God. Yeah.

How about this here? How about this? How much you think Zion weigh? Man, Zion my height, he about 280, dog. 280? Yeah. Oh, excuse me. Nah, for real, dog.

I'm, I ain't gonna lie, right now I'm like 230, 235, bro. He might be 280 on the moon. He bigger than that? Well, he ain't got no gravity. Nah, he, he might be, he might be two eight on the moon. He bigger than that? Or some boy that ain't got no gravity. Nah, he, he. He might be two 80 now. This, this, the way he came in, he might be two 80, two 85.

No, he was never bigger than that. At his heaviest, he was two 80, two 85. Three. At six Charles. Yeah, you, hold on. You think Charles Barkley was, hold on, let me ask you you hold on. You No, because Charles was 285. Charles wasn't 285 when he

first got in the league. ripped up. He was 245255 all day looked slim. No, Charles was 280. So Charles was brown before brown. That's what you're talking about. But just at 6'4". Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was a little smaller. He was 28 at 6'4".

Charles 6'4". Yes! He looked slim. He looked slim as hell. Y'all can't use him on an outside linebacker. D-tackle or something? D-line? Charles said he went out for football one time.

They knocked the hell out of him. And the coach say, all right, Charles, we'll see you the ball. Charles said, no, you won't, I'm done. I did what Oklahoma said, I'm cool, doc. Charles said, Charles said, y'all gonna knock hell out of me day after day and still I'm gonna go get knocked the hell out of the game? Oh no.

Uh-huh. Hey, hey, football was different back then, Swish. Now they don't do like we did when I was coming to Charles a couple of years older than me. But in the South, football is king. And we had Oklahoma drill, we had bull in the ring. Oh, if you weren't tough, you couldn't play football. No sir.

No. You could not play, ain't no, ain't no way. Now all the coaches that coach when I was growing up, they could not, ain't no way now, all the coaches that coached when I was growing up, they could not coach right now because you had to do Oklahoma every day. You had to do bully in the ring. Oh my goodness. You know how many coaches I had would have been locked up?

Oh, for sure. Put their heads on kids, grabbing them up. Just grab your face mask. Oh, grab your face mask. Oh yeah, yeah. Kick you in the butt. Yeah, for sure. Locked up. Yeah, grab your face mask. Oh yeah. Kick it in the butt. Yeah, the coaching was different back then.

The coaching was different back then. I mean, it wouldn't work today. No way. It wouldn't work today at all. Nobody would have a damn job. Hey man, shout out to Teddy Bridgewater though. 69 and nothing. 69 and nothing.

What is that, Northwestern? What is your- Eddie Hahn? Is there any coaching at Northwestern? Yeah Miami Northwestern right there, right down the street from Grandma House. Yeah, so is. That's what's up. Hey Swish, Swish.

That's what's up. They list JR, they list Zion's weight at 284. Now what you think he's at? What you think his weight is if they listed him? If they say you eat 284, Buddy 305. Okay. I ain't gonna hold you. I already know how it goes. Buddy 305 for sure.

Thank you. Thank you. Damn, bro. We can't get off the ground like that? Yes. But that's the problem. You see how explosive he is? Let me ask you a question, Swish.

If you got a construction company, if I put a Ferrari engine, a souped up souped up, and I put a Ferrari engine, and I put a Ferrariish. If you got a construction company, if I put a Ferrari engine, a souped up super engine in a dump truck and I get it going 70, 80 miles an hour with slam on brakes, eventually that rear end gonna come up out of there. Think about him, how explosive he is at that weight. Damn.

I'm trying to think who that would have been. I just wish, I just wish guys took it serious, got their weight up under control so I could see just how good Zyke, cause I'm not so sure, guys, we're gonna ever see because he can only play a stretch of like five to 10 games and it's his hamstring, it's his knee, it's his ankle, it's something.

He's just too heavy. Do we just cut the season down? Do we just go to 73 games? No! Because if you guys can't play, you got the biggest one of the MVP coming out, he can't play back to backs. Like you got guys who literally just,

Kawhi, Paul George, Bron ain't playing every night. AD ain't playing every night. Like look around the league, look at the stars. They not playing every night. So why not cut it short? Because somebody has convinced the guys that the rest is better. And the teams, and the team because they're paying them so much money.

It's the same thing, Ocho, when you and I played, we played preseason game. We practiced, we thought we hit. Now they don't do any of that. And it seems like they have more injuries now than what we had. Oh, we played and we were flooded. So you feel like even if you give them more time in the summertime, it don't it don't matter. It's just recovery time between games. Guys gotta take care of themselves.

They gotta get their rest. They gotta get off their feet, get in the cold tub, get in the hyperbaric chamber. Because think about all the technology that you guys have, that they have now, as opposed to when you and I played Ocho. Now it started coming in, you know, I retired in 04, so I think you left the game in like 11 or 12

or something like that But they started having all this the uh, the code the dip tanks at the facility had they have all that stuff now There's no man. Look here I didn't go I wasn't going home till 7 38 o'clock and we didn't have all that. I could just imagine man, please Yeah Man, please. Yeah. Jeff T calls Paul Jordan the Tobias Harris of the Sixers.

So, wait, do you agree with that comment? That's fucking crazy. I'm excuse me. Excuse me. That's wild. I'm sorry. You know, that's wild. That's wild. Disrespectful, bro. Hey. I mean, the band that he's got,

the man just got there, he coming off of injury, he played like three games with the man already. So listen, you got to give me that in football terms. Paul George got injured tonight, Swish. Yeah, I think it's ankle. You heard his ankle, huh? Bro, Ocho, what did I tell you? If you limp into the season, how you limp?

How you going out of it? Limp it. You limp about that bitch? Yeah, but listen, you got to give me better context. You heard me? What did you say, Ocho? You got to give me better context on why Paul Jordan is the Tobias Harris.

Give it to me in football terminology. Well, Tobias Harris got a max contract and- Okay. Twitch, give it to him in a term that Ocho could understand. Oh, man. Tobias went up to the window, to the bank window, with no mask on, told the cashier, my name is Tobias Harris.

Hey, it gave him his ID and his birth certificate. What is social security number? Yes, robbed him for 190 million. With no gun? He walked up out of there. And they say, Mr. Hash, take the money, it's yours. What, gave him a nice little folder with a little bow on it and said, have a nice day. Damn.

I want to give him at least a year before I get put in Tobias, I be. First of all, I would never put Tobias on Paul George. No, P.J. P.J. earned a lot, he earned a lot in this league. Like, no disrespect, like, I've written, and it's crazy because I really rock with Tobias. Tobias is my guy, but like, you talk about people

who underachieve, bro, and got paid. Paid, paid. Like, yo, bro, like, man. I respect that. I like you as a person. You a great guy. It couldn't happen to a great, better person.

Hey, Unc. Hey, uh-huh. Yes. Somebody said in football terminology, Aaron just said, Tobias Harris is basically Daniel Jones. Okay. Yeah, and you let, what's his name go? Saquon? Yeah, let Saquon go, yes.

Say less, yeah, for sure. Because they coulda had Jimmy Bucket. So Jimmy Bucket was on that team, and basically, I don't know if Jimmy wanted to stay, we'd have to see if Jimmy wanted to stay with Joe LNB. That's another thing, man. Cause when I, now you taking me back with all this, bro, because when I remembered it now,

because Jimmy left because they said Jimmy was way too confrontational cause he kept like antagonizing people, trying to get into practice, trying to get antagonizing people, trying to get into practice, trying to get everybody on board, trying to get them a winning culture because that's what he came from in Chicago and they wasn't on it and they got Jimmy up out of there.

Yep. And they gave, they gave, instead of giving Jimmy a match contract, they gave it to Bob Harris. Ben and Joelle, Coach Joel with that. They getting Jimmy out of there. And then they ended up signing, they signed, they get the number one pick Ben and Joelle, Coach Joel with that. And then they ended up signing, they signed, they get the number one pick

and they draft Ben Simmons. And Ben Simmons, and we know what happened with Ben. We don't need to beat the man up. He's been beat up enough, but we know what happened with that. I'm not mad at Ben. Ben living his life. He doing what he wanna do. He don't love it and I can't make him,

I can't nobody else make him love it. The world. No. Do what you wanna do. They let you, they let you stay up here. That's y'all fault. Y'all signed up again. Hey, look here. When you play a sport, it's gotta be one or two things. It's gotta, you gotta be mad to it

or it's gotta be the mistress. One or the other. But you gotta devote time to them be one or two things. It's got you got to be married to it or it's got to be the mistress. One of the other you got to devote time to them. Well, both of them will leave your ass. And she that's for sure. Because a lot of times what we see got a swish and up now. It'd be interesting to see if you see this in basketball. A lot of times guys out of the league before they're really their time should be. How many times we see guys, Ocho, we see a guy,

he's got his hair. That happened to you, Swiff? That happened to you, Swiff? For sure. That's how mellow is, bro. Like that's what I was saying about people who don't determine their own destiny. When you was talking about Tom and Bra

and like certain people, like even like I love him to death, but like CP, CP done bounced around to so many different teams these last four or five years. Like you would think he was in and everybody loves him. He gives so much praise. He's a captain everywhere he goes, he turns around the organizations, the teams, but you're not in a position to really, you know, pick where your destiny lands at. Right.

So it's a tough, it's a hard street, because then you got a guy like Mello, who for sure could have played another five years. D-Way, he was already older than everybody, so he sat down, he played four years of college. But at least D-Way got his cue. D-Way Nees just gave out on him. It wasn't D-Way wasn't putting the work in.

His body failed him. I think the other guys, they waited too late to adopt great workout habits, great work ethic. See, LeBron came into the league with it. Some guys come into the league with it, Ocho. So it's easier to maintain that as you get older. If you got crap work ethic as a young man, what the hell you think you gonna happen when you get older?

Yeah, but some people just got the body, man. Come on, man. Y'all can't, look at your body. That's some of that's God-given ability. You was eating whatever you wanted, you at 8%. Ocho, you out here eating McDonald's, pop tarts, and everything else, you got 0% body fat. Man out here running those soccer fields,

looking like a cheetah, come on, dawg. Ain't nobody, come on. Y'all just making me sick with this, man, because I'm getting out of done. Because I'm being an out of shape golfer, and I'm getting my little belly, and I don't appreciate the way y'all talk about athletes like that, I used to be one of y'all.

But muscle isn't required. You definitely don't need chest muscles, you don't need shoulders, because you need to be able to swing, you need to be fluid on the up. But muscle isn't required. You definitely don't need chest muscles. You don't need shoulders because you need to be able to swing, you need to be fluid through the top. That's why baseball players, that's why basketball players, that's why guys that don't have upper body mass, that's why they make such good golfers. That's why you look at your pitchers.

That's why you look at your hockey players. You look at your basketball players. Look at the guys that are really good in football. Quarterback, I play with Romo today, he lights out. Oh my God. Ain't got none of this Ocho, ain't got none of this. I got too much traps, I got too much front delt, real delt, I bet I can't, man look here.

You ain't doing nothing with fluidity, man. You getting strong, get up off me, catch it strong and get up off the head. There ain't nothing fluidity, ain. You're getting strong. Get up off me. Catch it strong and get up off me. There ain't nothing fluidity. Ain't no flow. You a, ah. Ocho year for sure. You done developed all this?

I'm tired of them skin on the grave. So I already know I can't play no golf. Yeah, I'm too big to play golf too. No, you're not too big. I'm like 230 right now, Swish. I'm 230, dog. How to, dog. He ain't no too, he like 190. He like now, Swish. I'm 230, dawg. How, dawg? He ain't no 230, he like 190.

He like 190, Swish. He wanna be big, he wanna be big. You know the guy, you know the guys, like when you were growing up, Swish, you exaggerate your weight. You was really like 150, you say you 165, that's old, y'all. I'm tired of him doing Instagram jail poses, too. He over there standing like Tucky Williams and all

looking back at the day like, man, you can try. I get it. You can see me, it's good. See, that lets you know exactly how big I am. I just, I can't swing no golf club. Although you can swing a golf club, you just go be some trash at it, but okay. Draymond says people want him suspended

because their NBA ratings are low. Draymond fired back at everyone who felt they wanted suspension for tripping Zack Eady. Dreymon argued that if the play was indeed dirty, he would have been dealt a flagrant one or two in real time due to his notorious reputation. I agree, the ratings are low. We know Dreymon name sparks a buzz.

We know the name carries weight. We know that going to get people riled up, the ratings are low so they want to We know Dreymon name sparks a buzz. We know the name carries weight. We know that going to get people riled up, the ratings are low, so they want to sub in Dreymon. I ain't gonna lie, man. I used to hate Dreymon, dog. I used to hate Dreymon. Oh, man. And I really grow, as much as I've listened to him

and understand how intelligent he is and how he can articulate himself and everything, like, and hold his emotions with it, like, I've grown to respect this man so much. Like, I really rocks with Dre Mom, man. And I believe that too. Like, I really believe, like, they try to villainize his character as, you know, just getting ratings up. And he's a hell of a player. It's tough, man. It's tough to be in that position because once you, it's like, once you become that villain,

it's impossible to become the hero, dog. Yeah, but he's a repeat offender, though, Swish. It's kind of like, if you get 12 speeding tickets, it's hard to argue when the police pull your ass over for you telling, man, I wasn't speeding, but I clocked you going 90 in a 65. It's hard to argue that. When you've seen Draymond repeatedly do these things,

he's what we call in the criminal justice, a repeat offender. So therefore, his priors weigh into that. Swish, you know you've been suspended. Your priors, when David Stern or Adam Silver called your ass in the office, they say, JR, you've done this before. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Definitely got priors. Yeah, he definitely, we definitely met with priors. I say that. I definitely say that. I can't let Dre Marz off the hook for that. He definitely got priors.

He always, hey, he had prized when I was playing. So, and that's, it's been a while, so. He also called Taylor Jenkins soft for complaining. You got janky Taylor Jenkins, who they salty. Bro, this game 11, and you're running out into the media crying about a foul. Who that? Who Taylor Jenkins?

That's the head coach of Memphis. Oh, shit. Yeah, I mean, that's what they supposed to do. What you mean? Yeah! That ain't nothing no different with Steve did with us. When we was playing them in the finals, all they're playing so physical, much more. Soon as you go to a ball and they call a foul

every play in the next game. No, that ain't no what they doing, dog. I don't hear that. You like game. No, ain't nobody know that. I don't hear that. You like me, look, I like Draymond, but his history is he's done some foul stuff. He kicks some people. He's hit people upside the head. He's done some things.

Y'all making it seem like we making this up. Like this is Draymond, like what he did to Eady was his first offense since he's been in the NBA. It's not! The man got suspended, what, he got suspended twice last year. We ain't even talking about, look, stuff happens in practice.

We not even talking about the pool stuff. Just as he would go bare, alone. Yes! Thank you. I ain't gonna, just him. Just him alone. Thank you. That's enough prior.

So with that being said, it's like, man, come on now. Ain't nobody going. I mean, I think the thing is having been a game that Draymond has played in, Draymond get away with stuff. The way Draymond be talking is that he knows they don't want to throw him out of the ball game. Right. And so he goes to the line and sometimes he'll step over

to see how far he goes. Just like machine. Cause he knows. Just like machine. Yep. Just like machine. I'm gonna step over that line, I'm gonna cut you out and do anything and everything.

And then if you give me a tech, especially if we playing at home, I already know it's gonna get us even more riled up. So it's like, you got dudes like Chauncey like. I know you ain't gonna wanna call that. And Swish, guess what? I know you ain't gonna wanna call that second ticket throw me out.

Oh no. So I just brought my, cause you don't wanna influence the game. Yeah buddy. You don't wanna call Adam Silver. You don't get that phone call after the game. You don't wanna have that conversation. The Volume.

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