The Secret She Couldn’t Keep: The Tomaselli Recordings | Part 2
00:00Welcome to True Crime Stories with Crime-a-Trorian.Okay, first things first, I appreciate you coming in, okay, and like I said, I'm DetectiveNelson De Leon, and this is Mike Bailey, okay, Mike, it is Mike Bailey, alright, alright,So, first of all, I know you have your computer there.Did you say you have some audio of things?I have video.Okay.It's not on here yet.
00:53I brought this to help facilitate transferring it to you.Okay.Do you mind us letting us see the video?It's on my phone right now.Like I said, my phone's private.I like to keep my phone private, but I have to transfer the video to you.Can you transfer the video there?I'm going to try to do that now.
01:08Okay, that's fine.That's fine.And then what I'm going to do is you go to your—anywhere that's in this building that you can find a thumb drive.Yes, sir.And I'll give it to you.This way, this will stay.That's fine.Now, you said you received some—so let's start from the beginning, okay?
01:28What made you contact us?Yeah.well I was told by a friend and who's that Linda Robertswhen did you when did you see her yesterday yesterday how long have you known heruh since i believe it was maybe september of last year what's your relationship with herfriends friends any intimate relationship there was okay i want you to be see the thing is i wantyou to be very honest with me okay so just tell me what what what happened what's transcribedWith this with which part with this whole yesterday's how did you how did you meet her? I met her sister first
02:29Okay, her name is Mary Beth Thomas sellingWhen did you meet her September September it was or would have been late August I think ICould actually tell you but I don't really know the date. Okay, but was it of 2018? Yes, it wasI believe it was August or September, somewhere in there.Okay.Where did you guys meet at?We met through Facebook.Do you have her Facebook?
02:59Yeah.Not anymore.Okay.And this is Mary Beth?Uh-huh.So how did you guys meet through Facebook?Just talking to each other.She was interested in…
03:07I'm a musician, so she was interested in the shows that I play.She eventually came out to one of those shows.Okay.So you guys met through Facebook?Yeah.So you guys met through Facebook?Yeah.So you guys met through Facebook?
03:15Yeah.So you guys met through Facebook?Yeah.So you guys met through Facebook?Yeah.one of those shows.What kind of musician are you?I play guitar, I play cover tunes
03:25in and around the Tampa Bay area.Okay, so she comes out in September.Was that with Linda or was that?No, it was alone.Did you have an intimate relationship with her too?I did.Okay, all right, so tell me about,so then, so you guys, so you met her,
03:46she comes out and then does she?We just kind of hooked up a few times at her place.She brought her sister to one of the gigswhen her sister got back in town from North Carolina.This is Linda.I met Linda.Linda was,she was with her at one of my shows
04:11and somehow obtained my number from her sisterand started texting meand asked me to come over to help her with something at their apartment,and then seduced me, and so we had an intimate relationship for a little bit.So when was that that she reached out to you?Soon thereafter when I met her.I don't have the date exactly, but I can backtrack and get you those dates.Okay, so we're talking back in the beginning, probably about September, August, you guys meet.
04:41September, for sure, September, yeah.So you start talking. And where do you guys go? Which house?They have a house. They rent together in Palm Harbors.I don't know the subdivision, but I gave you the address when I called you.Okay. So you guys go over there?We've been there. That's about where we've been.So how long do you still have this relationship with the sister?Neither one.
05:08Okay. So you had an intimate relationship. How long did that last?Just a couple occasions with the sister, Mary Beth, and then more with Linda, but it pretty much came to an end, so.When did it come to an end?Off and on, the end was sort of about a month ago, but yeah, about a month ago.Do both parties know about that?okay so so you guys ended up did you guys get into a multiplicationshe just got on my nerves texting me and stuff too much i ended up blocking her on facebook andphone and she got another account she started contacting me again and i felt sorry for her
05:58in a lot of different ways so i talked to her a little bit more but that's i know you want asmuch as you can but that that's sort of the least of it how we how we came together so then whathappened yes how'd you guys meet up yesterday how did that come about she asked me to come oversince she needed to talk about something she called me me Linda yeah what time did she callyou yesterday I can't remember but it was um sometime in the I believe it was like in theearly, early afternoon, let me see.I just like to know, I like, I'm sorry,I go, I like to get a history.
06:39I'll get you as much as I can.Well, that history, it is what it is.I mean, that's, I mean, without getting real detailed,there was an intimate relationshipwith both her and her sister,the one with Mary Beth ended pretty quickly,and then that one started,and then it went on for longer
07:01through October, November, December,and pretty much not too much through January.And where's her husband, up north?Yeah, he lives in, I believe it's North Carolina.I don't know where.Okay.I'm just trying to find this here,which today is Wednesday, right?
07:18Today is Wednesday, yes, sir, the 13th.Okay, so it looks like it was, she got a hold of me around 10, 10.30 a.m. yesterday.I was over there at some time around, sometime between then and noon, I believe it was maybe close to noon.And when she texted you, what did she say? She just wanted you to?She just texted me a bunch of just, you know, you're selfish, just weird things.And then she said she wanted to talk to me.And then she called me and told me to come over.She called me on my phone and told me to come over.
08:08And I believe it was around noon that I was over there.So you went to her house around noon?Sometime around noon, yeah.and whatwhat ended upso you guysso you get there around noonshe starts
08:29into a conversationandshe wanted to tell me whysheacts sonuttyfor lack of a better wordshe goes back and forth
08:46she vacillates a lotShe curses me out that she begs me to come talk to her.That's been going on from the beginning.She takes Ambien at night and she mixes it with alcohol, she says.I don't know.She denied that after she said that.She said that in the beginning of the relationship.She said she takes Ambien and she's sorry sometimes if she has a drink.
09:12So I really shouldn't say that.I can't assume that she mixes Ambien with alcohol.But she told you that.You didn't see it, but she told you.I didn't see it.She said, I'm sorry, I took my Ambien, and I think I also had a drink.And I was like, well, that makes sense why you're drunk dialing me and saying crazy things.Right.
09:28So I pretty much ignore her when she gets like that.I wait a few days, and she texts or calls and says something nice.So she wanted to talk to me.I got there because I had been ignoring her.She went on a cruise for a week, and she just got back last Tuesday.or i'm sorry last sunday so a week ago not this this sunday the week before that she just gotback from a cruise as soon as she hit the port she started calling me she she had wi-fi on the cruiseand texted me texted me texted me uh during the cruise during the cruise okay i ignored it all
10:04and then when she got back she said i'm back i want to talk to you and i ignored it ignored itso uh so like a week went by and then she this happened yesterday she said please i want toyou have to tell you something very important about why this has happened why in this way iknow i've said things and done things that have upset you and she asked me to come over to talkin person i did i went over and then she started telling me you don't understand what happened tome in my lifetime and why i'm this way why i'm so messed up okay so so you walk in where do youYou guys sat down?Where did you guys go?
10:38In the living room?Mm-hmm.Okay.Did you guys have, so then,so you sit down and she proceeds to tell you this.What else does she tell you?Well, what she started to say was,you don't understand what happened to me
10:53in my, with my, in my past and why I'm so messed up.And she said it has to do with my father.And I said, wow, that sounds pretty bad.Of course, I was assuming something completely different.And I said, I know, I know people.I've talked to people.I know, I have a little bit of experience in people that are messed up because of their parents.You can tell me if that's what you want to tell me.
11:23She said, I've never told anyone.Nobody knows.And I said, well, these kind of secrets will, um, there she is.I'm just, just ignore her. I don't know.Really?Yeah.Yeah. You could call her back.We'll call her back.
11:42We'll call her back later.We'll call her back, yeah. We'll just talk to her.The whole thing, she's, she's on her way back. She expects to meet me. Just hold on.No.No?No, just let it go.Just, yeah, we'll just.And then you can call her back, it's no problem, there's no one to break up or what's going on, you know.
11:59You got it. So, I assume that I'm helping her divulge something that happened to her as a child that she had repressed.And I do like her, she's a nice lady in a lot of ways.and so I felt bad that what she was about to tell me I thought and she saysyou don't understand I've never told one soul nobody knows I've never toldanybody the only person who knows my sister she knows I said oh Jesus this isgoing on with her as well I said tell me she said it's not nothing sexual that'swhat you're thinking I was like that's what I was thinking you're you'redamaged from sexual abuses as child she said no I said that what is it and she
12:52said I ended my father's lifethat was exactly so exactly okay and then what did she say how did it andthen when she said that did she what did you do I was shocked and then she saidactually we ended my father's life me and my sister and I said how did you dothis I thought you told me a story when I first met you of how your father diedand you happened upon his lifeless body and your sister called 9-1-1 and youstarted chest compressions she's in the medical profession so I assume she knowsCPR maybe most people don't but anyway she told me she started chest
13:47compressions and when the paramedics got there see I wouldn't know any of thisstuff I'm sure you can corroborate it because the paramedics might tell youthis is what she said paramedics got there and had to pull her off saying manhe's dead he was he was dead and gone and blue or whatever and i don't know um i said that's thestory you told me uh you're so if you ended this life why were you doing chest compressions untilemergency responders got there i said was that for looks i was chuffed it was chilling to meI started my phone video at that point.I only missed a couple words after she said I ended my father's life.
14:36I started my video camera.I looked at him like I was looking at a text, and I started the video, and I put the video like this.And I was videotaping her on her sofa.And I think I had to repeat one thing that I missed that I thought was important.It was about how she started the process of ending her father's life.So she said, we got past the whole, why did you lie to me about giving him chest compressions?If you knew he was dead, she made that a big deal.She tried to make me believe that was her trauma in her life,
15:15that she found her dead father, who's the most important person in the world to her,and had to do chest compressions.She's like, I did chest compressions for 30 minutes on my dead father, and that's what has messed me up.I mean, he was my idol, my prime choice.So I was a little bit chagrined that she had lied to me, and I was also shocked that someone was telling me they murdered somebody.So I was like, so that's how the conversation started.Why are you telling me this when you told me you tried to save him?And then I knew right away that this was something I might record because I never heard somebody tell me they killed somebody before.
15:58So I started, I don't know, I started the recorder.Whether it was something I am allowed to do or not, I don't know.I did it.This is inside her residence?Yeah.Okay.She proceeded to tell the story.Like I said, I missed one thing.
16:14I said, how did you do it?And she goes, I don't really want to talk about the details.And I said, why would you want to talk?You've gone this far.She said, if you tell anybody, I could go to jail.I said, no, you could get lethal injection in Florida.I think they still do it.I don't know.
16:33And I said, but you've already gone this far.You might as well.I said, the truth will set you free.And she said, OK, if you want to hear it, I'll tell you.I started the recorder.She had said, we gave him a drink with seven, she said six at first, something called Halcyon.I don't even know what that is.Halcyon, later she told me it was a sleeping pill.
16:59Okay.I've never heard of it.Okay.Again, these things could probably be corroborated because when they did an autopsy, they probably found Halcyon.He's cremated.So she said, oh, right before I started the camera, she said, he's cremated, so there's no evidence.I can't get in trouble.she said if you tell somebody at first she said if you tell somebody i could go to jail and i said
17:19no you can get you can you can get that's a penalty for killing somebody she goes well he'sgone he's cremated there's no evidence and they've already done an investigation that's what she saidthat's when i started the camera she said she started to say how she first administered halcyonum and then i started the camera and i and then so the video starts from there i said so what isthis about six halcyon she said they're strong sleeping pills as strong as youcan get I had my sister make up a drink she said she said go make up a drinkbecause he has a drink at night every every night she said vodka a vodka drinkthat's probably in the system too I never met this man obviously this is
18:05supposedly four years ago i just met them not even a year ago um so she said the sister madeup a drink with um a full drink like a instead of a shot of vodka which he would have been happywith i think she made like a vodka and tonic or something she said she put soda in and everythingit was like a full-size drink she actually on the video you can see her said she made a full-sizedrink and put the pills in it. Meaning the sister did. Now who's the nurse? Linda's the nurse orthe sister? Linda's the nurse. Okay. Not both of them, obviously. Okay. I am a little bit confusedas to whether she made the drink, handed it to Linda, Linda put the Halcyon in it, or she toldher to go make the drink, put the Halcyon in it to dissolve. I don't really know. Honestly,
18:54I haven't even reviewed the tape since I made it. It's chilling. It's chilling. So what elseShe said she gave, she was like, why would you make a full drink?So he might, you know, he's not going to finish it.And then he won't be, you know, it's not as toxic to dilute it in a full drink.She was, she definitely just told me that she, you know, was upset with the sister for making a bigger drink.He took a couple swigs.She said swings of it and not enough to get all that halcyon into his system, but enough to knock him.I think she said for a loop, knock him for a loop.
19:39Mind you, she said he was having trouble breathing.He had diagnosis in a recent phone call that maybe she received about his state of being, his prognosis,was that he had a mass on his lungs so big that there was no saving him.He had had cancer, lung cancer, I think she said.It's on there.But this recent turn of events was proving that he was not going to live, according to her.And she interjected a lot of her own thoughts during this conversation,saying that i've been in the medical profession i know that when i see a mass like that you can't
20:25live long and she said maybe two months i was doing my own interjecting along the way sayinglike two months we're about just four months how do you say when it's okay to stop somebody frombreathing you don't say that you murdered your father and she said do you have to say it likethat i was like yeah i have to say it like that she said we euthanized them i said euthanasia isillegal she said no it's not she got angry she said i watch hospice administer fatal doses ofmorphine to people all the time just a little extra so they can go away and nobody questionsit because they're dying anyway and so when they do finally die people like this one died toothey're in hospice. She said, and she actually said, I've done it myself, administered the fatal
21:14dose of morphine. I was like thinking to myself, this is getting, this is getting crazier andcrazier. Um, because people in hospice or her father have rights to, to, you can't decidewhen that happens. We just, that's not what we do in the society. We don't decide when peoplestop breathing we don't do it so um she said um after the drink they watched him and they waitedand they thought he was dead she said he um she said he urinated on himselfthat might be something that was was found i guess when when they finally got a hold of himparamedics that might be a normal thing that happens i don't even know she said we thoughthe was dead he urinated on himself and he wasn't pretty well i couldn't detect any breath
22:08she said i may be leaving out some stuff in the middle but i'm getting to thethe coup de grace she said he opened his eyes and looked at them and that's when marybethsqueezed his noseand Linda saidshe put a ragin his mouth.Lindaput a rag
22:28in his mouth?She said Mary Bethheld his nose.So Mary Bethheld the nose?That's what Linda said.Right.So when
22:48let's sayso she saidso what else did she tell you?there's a lot more conversationit's 30 minutes in totaland then I did another video for 2 minutesand 50 something secondsso it's 33 minutes
23:05I just went around and aroundwith the facts againnot believing it, I was hearing itand also making sure I had itdocumentedso I asked her again aboutwhy she did it, things like thatthat nature she said he was going to die he was dying uh he made maybe had the best two months to
23:27live the doctor said he would have got all cut up and he would he would have been able to you knowbreathe on his own and we just didn't want that and then i said i just can't believe and she saidi said you murdered your father and then she said something like what she said do you have to say itway and i said yes i did and she goes well don't say just me because mary beth did it tooshe seemed real concerned with making sure sure i knew it wasn't just hershe wanted mary beth to take some of the culpability by you know she basically toldon her too she said let me ask you this to not interrupt you but prior to that therehave been no mention of mary beth until that that particular moment no there was no she
24:07mentioned her the whole time she did oh she said her my sister and i ended my father's life okayShe said that from the very beginning.Okay.But when I said, you murdered your father, she got up in arms and said, well, Mary Beth did it too.Okay.And I said, I just can't believe that would happen.I mean, I was just saying, I can't believe that you girls would do this.But when I said that, she gets real confused, Linda does, about what the subject matter is.
24:31So when I said, I can't believe that, she thought I meant that Mary Beth participated.At which point she said, you don't understand Mary Beth.She's got a mean streak in her ten times mine.She was furious with my father.They had been fighting, and he had been saying horrible things to her,and she had been saying horrible things to him.So I tried to talk to her about that aspect of it.I said, so you're saying Mary Beth was angry at your father when she did it,
25:02helped you do it.I said, who suggested the idea?She goes, I don't really know.I said, well, somebody had to say, let's kill dad.I haven't reviewed the tape.She may have said it, but I don't think she did.I do believe I remember her saying, I can't remember which one.I pressed her a little bit.
25:23I said, one of you had to say, let's do this.I said, with you being in the medical profession,I think it would be you, and she would agree to it or something.She said, I honestly don't remember.I said, okay, but in either case, she was mad at him,And so she had no problem saying, yes, let's kill dad.Perfect.And, you know, I said that myself to see what she said about it.
25:48She goes, yeah, pretty much.She said she was mad at him.I said, so Mary Beth did it out of anger.And I tried to play good cop, bad cop myself with her.You know, I said, so you were just trying to euthanize him because you felt really bad for him.But she was mad.I said, that makes it even more murderous.And maybe Mary Beth's even more to blame.
26:06You know, I was just trying to see what else she would tell me about it.And she said, I don't know.I said, but you're saying she was mad at him and she had no problem participating in this.And she has a mean streak and they were just arguing.And then I brought up money.And I said, this is how you girls inherited the money.And was that a motive?And she went, no, definitely not a motive.
26:28Did they end up, she ended up getting money?Yes, they had money.How much money did they get?I think Linda said like $500,000.$500,000?even though she didn't say thatactually it did happenshe didn't say the amount of money
26:40that she got from thatbut she at other times told me she inherited$500,000 and I never knewwhat she meant by it because I don't care if it's not my moneyand I don't have anything to do with itshe was just being braggadociousI think saying I inherited $500,000and
26:57I didn't put two and twotogether I assumed it was fromdad's passing but I didn't sayoh wait a minuteyou inherited500,000was that fromyour dad's passing
27:06because she told meabout her dad'spassing early onrightagain she told methat shehas a hard timesince her dad died
27:15and I didn't even knowit was four years agoI thought it was longerI asked herwhen this happenedI saidbecause she was talkingagain
27:21I'm being a bitcircuitous hereand I don't rememberwhen things happenedin the conversationand we'll watch thatyeahbut let me ask you
27:28did she give youactualI know the detailswas that you told me about she put the rag in his mouth.Did she tell you where he was at?I believe she said he was in his bedbecause they said he was going to bed and asked for a drink.And she told her sister or her sister to make the drink up.
27:50And I don't know who put the Halcyon in the drink,but she said six and then she said seven.So toxicology will show that, I'm sure.Now, let me ask you this.Does she, at some point, did they all live together?Did he live separately?Or how did that?That I don't know.
28:05But I know, I can't say, but I know that he had a house in Palm Harbor.And I don't even know where this subdivision is.But she said something like Wexford.I don't know where that is.Right.She said he lived on Wexford or in Wexford.Maybe it's on Wexford Way or in a subdivision called Wexford.Is that familiar?
28:22Wexford Lease.Yes, it is.Okay.Is that where he lived?I don't even know.Do they, does she still have the house?I don't know.but he was living there
28:31and from what I cangather from what she saidshe was not living thereand neither was Mary Beth but they cameto watchthe fatherdeath watchthey weren't all living together but they came
28:48to visit him or what happenedshe said she was there 24 7or something watching himI think she thought that she was acting as hospiceand if she'sacting as hospice and tells me that she's administeredfatal doses of morphine to other peoplein hospice well then I really know what she was doing
29:05theremaking sure the end came quickI don't know if it's for the inheritance butthat's a motiveso what else did she tell youthat you can remember before we watchthe videoyou know I asked her
29:23if she wasremorseful she said every day but i think i asked her if she'd do it again i don't remember but yeahthere's so much going on but i just wanted to see really what her state of mind was about itand she wouldn't allow for the word murder and she kept saying euthanizedand i kept arguing that point and um how did you end the conversation with heri can't remember i just said uh this is i was pretty mad i turned off the cameraand I put the phone in my pocketand started to make my way at the front door
29:57and she said don't disown meor something like thatand I saidsomething abouteuthanasia againand I turned around and I pointed at herfrom across the room and I saidshe said he was only going to live for a couple months
30:14I said you don't get to decideif your fatherwhat if he wanted to make amends with Godand he only had two more hours to liveyou'd stuff a rag in his mouthyou don't know what he wanted to doin those last two hoursand that's honestly what I thought
30:28when I was walking out of the houseI said what if this guy didn't do or say somethingthat he wanted to sayin his last two hours, two weeks, two monthsso I literally was mad at herI turned around and I saidyou don't get to say what your father doesin the last hours
30:43or make those hours come quickerhe might have wanted to get right with Godand you stopped him, you closed his eyesI'm like you can't do that, that's murderI walked out she called me almost immediately and I didn't answer so when was the last time so haveyou talked to her since yeah and what I called back because I knew I had the recording and Ididn't know what I was going to do with it I called back and she said um I said I see I missed yourcall it's about an hour later and she said yeah I I feel terrible I'm having flashbacks right now
31:14and I said well you should I said um and then I said we we should talk about this more becauseI was already in my mind thinking, there's no way I'm going to hear this and not cometo you. People deserve justice. So I was like, so I said, we should talk more. And I leftit at that.What was your response to that?She said, yeah, but don't ever tell anybody. She goes, I could go to jail. And I said,again, you could probably get the death penalty. You might not even be sitting in jail. I don'tknow that. I don't even know what you do here anymore. Is it still death penalty state?
31:50I don't even know.Well, it depends on the situation.I guess. I don't know. I don't know. But I'm just saying, I said that to her and she said, well, I would deny it anyway. That's what she said. She said that several times.Um, but, um, she said that on the tape too. She said, if you ever tell anybody, I'll deny it. And, um, uh, she said that when I called her back later that afternoon and, uh, she said, I'm scared now. Um, I don't think I should have told you this, but if you ever tell anybody, I'll deny it. She said it again.Why, why would she tell you something like this?I have no idea. I have no idea.Did you have a relationship with her last night?No.
32:37Beforehand?No.Was there any alcohol or drugs involved during those conversations you had in the house?No.So you were intoxicated or drugs or nothing?Just straight-up conversation?Yeah.We're having that.
32:47As normal as this can be.I've never actually seen her drink.She said, and I've been around her quite a bit, she said that she had, this was last year,when she apologized for some really weird, errant texting,strange things that weren't even germane to any conversations we ever had.She apologized the next day, said, I had my Ambien, and I may have had a drink.She said may have had a drink, like she doesn't drink often.So I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
33:18And that's not been your experience?I've never seen her drink, not one drink of alcohol.All right.And I've never seen her take Ambien.In fact, there was a point where she told me she stopped taking Ambien,and that was a couple months ago.Okay.She said she had trouble sleeping.
33:34And during this conversation, or right after at some point,maybe it might not be on the recording, but she said, I stopped.She said something like, that's why,why do you think I was medicating myself and I can't get through the night?She did, actually she told me she has a nightmarethat her father's standing at the foot of the bed.Good, she should have those nightmares.When did she tell you that, last night?
33:57It was either right before I started to take her on the phone call.I'm sorry, I just can't remember a lot of that.Is there a way we can try to, well, I can try to get, do you have a thumb drive?I can get a thumb drive, yes, sir.I have a question, and I only say this because it bears in this conversation.When you stopped seeing her or having relations with her, was this kind of a mutual thing?Or is she okay with it?Or is she upset about it?
34:27Only if it's going to be relevant, not right now, but at some point it may be relevant.she'sno it's mutualwe just stopsometimes we don't talkfor weeksand then she wouldcall me up and say
34:40she wanted to see meor whatevershe's not going totell us later onthat you have anax to grind with heror anything like thatwho knows what
34:47she's going to sayI'm sayingbut it won't be truthfulwe're trying to vet thatout at this timeyou see what I'm sayingbut if I had an ax to grindhow would I make her
34:53say stuff I never heardof in my lifewe're just trying togo through all this stuffthat's all I'm tryingto tell youwhether I had an axto grind or not
35:00her to admitmurder to me doesn't seem likea likely scenario to get evenwith me. No, I understand that, but I'm justtrying to say, we have to walkthrough all these scenarios is what I'm trying to tell you.Like, are you upset with her?No, I'm not upset. I mean, yeah,
35:15she ticks me off quite a bitwith her crazy texting, butnot enough to, it's not,I have no motive to make up a storyabout something I never heard of in my life before.I understand that. I'm just saying we're just trying tovet all this out and just make sure that, you know,So it's the ones where she's got to, you've got to ask for one with her,
35:31she's got one to grind with you, and then one's made up later on,we're trying to find out if there was, we need to know about it,and if there's not, that's fine.I know that Mary Beth does not like me because of my transferring affectionsto the sister, so.So she wasn't happy about this, obviously.So do you have any contact with her at all,or you pretty much do not have contact with the other sister?
35:53We don't really talk.I mean, last time I was at the house, I saw her, but.Okay.She doesn't really talk to me.Okay.But I just honestly, you know, I'll answer any questions you have,but I honestly don't, I would not understand why anybody would think thatany relationship I had with her or her sister bears upon her confession
36:22of something that I have no idea transpired.What he was trying to tell you is that we have to vet everything out, anything if there's, you know, that they can try to attack or not, whether you, oh, he's making this up because, whatever, I don't want, he's upset with me, I didn't get the job that he wanted, or I'm not paying him for this.Right, so I would make her confess to murder.I understand that, but you haven't been in this position beforewhere we have to find out, do we have to defend anything that's going onas far as, well, especially because of the relationship.You have a relationship with her and a relationship with her sister.If you think that later on that that won't be an issue,
37:10I'm telling you it's going to be.So we're trying to vet that out right now to make sure.Do the best you can.Ask me anything you want.I get that, but I'm saying it.That's why I told you.We're only asking about this to the point of having to knowbecause later on I'm looking down the road that somebody's going to use this as a tool, okay?
37:28Not yourself.It could be.That's what I'm trying to say.If there was something to be known I'd rather know about up front and we'll deal with it.I want to find out about it five months from now.Do you understand that?There's nothing I can tell you other than we had a relationship.We've had, you know, it's been up and down.
37:46Sure.But none of it had anything to do with this.That's all I can say.Perfect.no that's fine that's what that's all I was asking that was all the question wasabout okay so you said that she she's gonna expect you you guys left it offthat you would come by and talk to her today correct yeah that's what she'sShe's actually texting me now.
38:17And what's she saying?Something about she went to meet with her attorney.She went to a phone meeting, signed papers in my name tomorrow for the house.Yes.But you're telling me, I guess they closed tomorrow?Yeah, she said they closed tomorrow.But she knew yesterday that you were going to stop by, you were going to have a meeting today at some point.Okay, so that's not unusual.
38:46No.That has already been discussed.Okay.Yeah, I did that because I knew there was no way I was going to be able to sit with this.I knew almost immediately.I couldn't have that information and hold it like she's holding it.Because he's not my father, but it would weigh heavy on my mind.Understood.
39:08I just lost my mom on June 8th.And I mean, we're talking patricide.No, I understand.That's huge.Like I said, it may bother her.It obviously bothers you.And it only bothers her maybe when she's talking about it.So everybody's built differently.
39:27So that's what I'm saying, though.Right.I just don't know what she's thinking.I'm going to try to open up iTunes on this and get that file.He's taking a call?Yeah, I think so, yeah.He'll be right back in.We'll get this transferred over or whatever we need to do.
39:52It's chilling to me.It sounds like it.She's a meek lady, very meek.So you were pretty shocked over that when that came up.I'm sure you were thinking something else was going to be said, which makes sense.I thought she was going to say she was molested.Right.And when that came out, then you were probably shocked.
40:08Yeah, I was shocked.I couldn't believe that I was being confessed to murder.Because not once did I think, oh, he was old and dying.Yeah, I get it.Not once.That didn't cross my mind.As soon as she said it, I'm like, he murdered your father.Right.
40:25Stop right there.This is bad.Right.This can only get worse.Right.so I was like you mentioned that Linda's a nurse and sugar talked about where sheworks at or didn't work at work for something called dr. Mays are mazer orsomething she told me I don't know yes did she ever mentioned possums before
40:47this conversation that she worked no she never mentioned that yeah well weappreciate you coming in and telling us this obviously so yeah i i umi just i hope it's i just hope it's the right thing as far as you can do something about iti would hate to think that i um came forward with this and then you're just like well it's two it'sHe's four years old, he's cremated, and he can't do anything.No.I work in burial cases, so I'm just saying that four years is not that long.Okay, a four-year-old case with a confession, I mean, again, you can't promise anything,
41:34but is that something that is prosecutable?Is a confession?I mean, I'm just wondering if a confession, either this or if I get anything else for it,is that prosecuted, is that something that's...It can be, but there's a lot of aspects of this that we have to look at.have to do a lot of work before you know or so forth so we're just let's I wantto see the video and then we'll go do that we'll try to maybe have you go talkto her okay if you're willing to do that I'm willing to do okay we appreciate
42:08that I can't I won't be able to live with it if I don't okay so what I'mgoing to try to do I'm going to attempt to drag these files on the desktop thenI'm going to drop it on that so you have them correct so let me see I just needto know okay now I'm just looking at the I just want to look into it because allyou got to do is copy put it on like you said on the desktop it's real easy yeahYeah, I want to find the photos.I want to look at it as a. . .Do you get it?
42:51No, I'm just trying to figure it out.Just look at the photos.I don't want to sync the whole phone to this computer.It's not even my computer.I'm just going to Google it real quick.Is that an iPhone?It's an iPhone.Yeah, usually you could go right into the. . .
43:07Open it up.You don't have to sync it to it.you can without itunes yeah you you know how to do that i think okay can i i'm not going to lookat anything because i'm an itunes guy you are yes oh here you go all right so what you can doyeah so it's an exit to the phone the phone is recognized okay because now you're going to endup syncing all this we don't want you to do that so we can close itunes yeah let me just we canclose it right but the phone is recognized and connected we can go lookinto it as a hard drive yes that's wrong
43:45come down herei just don't have a mac computer hold on where's the filestransferringif if you like okay i can do it online here because i have a window i got a windows baseand i you can watch me yeah i'll do it yes sir and that's and i can connect to thisconnect your iphone to the computer if the autoplay window appears click import picturesand videos using Windowsto click the import settings.
44:36All right.But we can try it.Because I don't have a Mac computer.Okay.Let's try that.Do it here?Yeah, let's try it.Let's see the USB.
44:59What kind of card is Linda drawing?she just she's got a she has a hot brand new Hyundai 2018 they'll say trust yeahall right then let me see it I'm gonna look into the hard drive and I'll giveyou the two files that you need yes sirOkay, let me see that.If we click on here?Yeah, I know how to do it from there.I'm going to minimize this a little bit though.
45:39Oh, you can see the desktop.And I'm going to look in here.Try doing one at a time.Yeah, I'm going to do one at a time.This is...Actually, do you want to airdrop it?Oh, let's do that.There you go.
45:56That will work.and then you can figure out how to get it off. Yeah, I can get it off in one.Just turn on your drum for every one of them. That's a great idea, as long as you have room on your phone.Alright. You ready? Go ahead.BVPPPIN?Uh, try that one, yeah.Yup. Here comes one.Okay. Got it. Send the other one.
46:38This is taking a minute. Yeah, it's 32 minutes long.We can disconnect this. Yeah, go ahead and close this.Just X out of that. Great idea.So we're going to need this, you'll figure that out later, you have to get it onto yourcomputer.Yeah, I haven't watched this since, I couldn't, hope you have room, yeah, it's just takingtaken a little bit and then once we do that one i got the other one so it won't take any timeagain i'm asking out of curiosity
47:33i don't know how you guys go about any of these things that you do butis havinga confessioneither thisand or something elseenoughto convictat an old murder
47:53well there'sthere's a lot of thingsthat we have to doon the back endI can'tI can'tdisclose all thatwell no
48:03this is just likewe're talkingI'm watching the barI'm likehey can you solvethose murdersand someone confessesis that enough
48:08or do you have to havea corpus delectior whateveryou know what I meanlike that. Go ahead and send the other one. I'm just asking. This is the second one. I'm just asking as out of curiosity, have you done that before you solved Old Murph with a confession? Is that enough or do you need more evidence? You can do with a confession. Like I said, there's a lot of work to be done, so it's very early involved in this process where we can say that.this one to plug into my to my phone you mean thisyou got both yes sir that was quick thinkingshe's saying save my windows closing for coming
49:09she's trying to say tell her you'll be over there tell her you will uh we'll get this set up let meumas linda text you about meeting with you yeah she's trying to save the windows closing so iI've got to hurry up and go over there.Okay.I don't need long.She'll talk to me.Okay.
49:35Do you have something to record?Yeah, we're working on that right now.So even though we wanted to see this video, we may forego that for right now.We don't want to miss the window of that, so that's what we're trying to say.Yeah, yeah.If she says that, we want to kind of…I'll come back later.You just want to watch the video on your own anyway.
49:53Right, that's fine.That's what I'm saying.That's why it's important to watch it now, so that's fine.scary stuff sounds like it's too gross to me it is i mean you know you've been on the jobyou've seen probably a lot worse stuff than that people your head's blown off who knowsyou've investigated i don't know how long you've been doing this a long time i don't know whatyou've seen that's that's scary to look at but this this to me this is scary it's just chillingfor someone to pinch their father's nose until he stops breathing.
50:27Right.I just.What does this other sister do for a living?Do you ever go up to her?She works down here at a medical records billing place by the,you know where you pay your taxes in Clearwater?Yeah.In the Olive Garden or something.
50:44Yeah.I know where that is, yeah.Okay.I know you haven't said anything to her yetbut meeting back to Lindathe agreement was just to meet back at her houseand talk and then whateverokay got it
51:01did you givedetectivethe addresswhere you were going to be meeting her atyesHe did 11. Okay, good.Let me ask you this.If you were to tell her, meaning Linda, that you don't believe her about this,
51:25what do you think her reaction would be to that?Yes, I didn't really answer.I was really dead.I got that.What I'm saying is we're trying to figure out, you know,was there anything that was, you know, anything else that you keep?any of this stuff it'd be extremely odd this is nothing she would have but i mean i could aski just don't think
51:46it would be extremely odd for somebody to do that and i'm trying to sayno i want you to just come out and ask for that because it'd be extremely obvious what was goingon so we don't want that but um i just don't know what her reaction to some of this would beif you were to say like you know this sounds very outlandish you know did you keep the ragYeah, but if you say that, she's going to be really flustered about that.She's really naive, extremely.She just says things.I mean, she told me that her sister already asked her if she told me this.
52:20What do you think that was?Was this yesterday?No, she said it yesterday.She said, Mary Beth has already asked me if I've told.She said, Mary Beth said, did you tell him about Dad?And then she told Mary Beth, no, I did not tell him about Dad.I didn't ask when that was, but I don't...It had to be, right, very recently, of course, because it was before this.
52:41I mean, because she was confessing to me yesterday.Okay.And then she said, Mary Beth's already asked me if I've told you about this.Okay, I'm with you now.I totally get you.So, in other words, Mary Beth's already suspicious that since we talk...Maybe that had come up and she had mentioned it.Yeah, and she told her she did not.
52:58No, she told her she did not.Although that would have been true in the past because she had not, but yesterday, obviously...Yes, now it's true.Got it, got it.But Mary Beth's worried about it, too.Have these people been in trouble before, do you know?Not that I know of.I would doubt it, from what I know about them, that they have any record of any sort.
53:19Okay.I mean, but who knows?I mean, I don't know.You don't know, right.I was sitting next to a murderer, and I didn't know that either.That's what I'm saying, so you may not know that.I'm just saying, something you may have said.No, nothing you would investigate.
53:29I'm just saying, something you would have just heard off the cuff or anything like that.I mean, possibly DUI for Mary Beth, because she drinks a lot.She's a heavy drinker.Very heavy.I've followed her home drunk.I've watched her drink seven or eight drinks, followed her home.I videotaped her drunk driving episode from behind and sent it to her.Right, and said, you're really bad.
53:48We shouldn't be, right?Yeah, I said, you're really bad.And she was at my show, and I was packing up, and she left.She went to the valet and got her car, and she left before me, right before me.because I told her to waitand I would drive her homeand she went to the valet anywaylike I was packing up my gear
54:08she went to the valet, got in the carand I saw her leavingand I got in my carthe valet gave me the keys and everythingI got packed up and I got in my carright behind herI went down the roadand I followed her
54:21and she was swervingany cop would have stopped herany, anywouldn't even have been a questionand I sent her the videoand I continued homeright look at yourself you're in a bad way understood you shouldn't do that and um thenof course she said i had one drink but i didn't eat anything that's what they always say right
54:40but you know she had more than that oh i watched her right i watched her and um they always saythat though i didn't eat okay well all right well if you didn't eat then and you know that thataffects you like that then why drink correct maybe you should eat and then drink or maybedon't drink at all right just eat whichever you do but i mean that's always the case theyalways say they had one drink or two drinks never five six seven that's right they never say itthat's right it's funny though when you watch him or you see the paying tab of a hundred dollarsand like i had one drink i didn't even finish it right i'm like why do you say that rightyou know that didn't happen right that's right he's dumb nobody's dumb received getting drunk
55:19okay where is he because we really i really i really should goLet me text him real quick.I don't know if he's reviewing the tape with your son.No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so.I just said we're...You're going to have me go over there. I need to go to the cinema.We're doing it.We need to get up and run with this real fast, so can we...
55:55I know it I'm telling you we okay so we're waiting for that down okay thisone all right cool okay coolall right we're getting equipment that's what's going on that's what he said sosaid okay I said we're missing our window of time here so we appreciateyour patience we'll get this move along to get you on your way hereJust, while I wait for him, just look at this, look a little at this, you can say we're here I don't care.Oh.Is it too low?
56:49I said just put him in a little bit of alcohol.Hmm?Six, seven, oh.and sternum out because he was waiting for a drink.Outcome.A beverage outlaw?Yeah, outcome.So what does she do?
57:09She makes a drink just big.Her death?Yes.Instead of making a little drink, she makes a big drinkbecause the seven halcyon, I think it was halcyon,which are very strong, would have been plenty enough to just let him go to sleep and sleep peacefully.So she makes a drink this big.Well, he can't drink a drink this big.
57:40So I looked at her and I said, you fucked up.I said, so she already handed him the drink.He takes about four swords of it, five.and in about 15 minuteshis hands started shakingand he was dropping his prayerthat he was sayinghis holy cards
58:03and he didn't have enough in his systemGod had prayer cards in his hand, detectiveenough what?of halcyonwhat is halcyon?halcyon is a sleeping pillit's strongit's strong that you can take
58:18wait a minute, your father was taking halcyonon his own even though he's losing his mind no the doctor was giving it to him he was prescribing itto him to your father yes but your father was overusing the halcyon he told the doctor i'mgoing to take what it takes to put me to sleep at night and your doctor said his doctor said okay dowhat you got to do yeah and then since you and marybeth knew that he was overtaking it you thoughtthat would be the way because it wouldn't be suspected that you gave him the halcyon becausehe was over he was overdosing himself right okay so that's so that was your plan so you woulddissolve seven halcyons in the alcohol somebody talked to me like that i would stop right there
59:01she fills the whole thing up with soda and all this other stuff right made like a real drinkyeah and she asked him so he took enough to to knock him for a loop really knock him for a loopbutthis is very hard for meI knowI guess notI would deny itif you were told anyway
59:28why would I tell somebodywhat good is it going to doyou said the body is crematedyour father is crematedwho investigatedthe police were therethe police of whereso let me tell you
59:44he laid down on the couchwait this was seven years agofour years agothere he goes on the couchyou killed your fatherfour years agodo you have to say it like thatdon't just say it to me because it was my sister too
01:00:02and Mary Bethcorrectwith euthanasiaeuthanasia is notlegalit is becauseBecause hospice does it all the time.They give you the lethal dose of morphine.
01:00:17I've seen it.I've done it myself.So you think that if you take it upon yourself that your father is suffering and no medical,but he was at home, he wasn't taken to the hospital, you think it's upon yourself?Look, I'm not trying to give you a hard time,but did you really think it was upon yourself to decide whether he should be euthanized?I mean, they arrested that Jack Kevorkian guy.He didn't want to go to the place that he, this beautiful place that he was going to go live in.
01:00:48Have his own little apartment.He didn't want to go.So he was all set up to go live in a beautiful apartment, but yet he was dying.It's just about the beginning of this.If he asked for euthanasia.They didn't want to spend money on the apartment.They wanted to stop it right there and get the insurance.Well, he didn't know if he had a DNR, but he didn't ask, you don't ask for euthanasia.
01:01:05Well, you do if you want it.That's why they bring in that jack of working, God help them.But what I'm trying to say is, the very first thing I asked you when this conversation started is, like, you euthanized your father.You said yes.And I said, did he ask for euthanasia?And you said no.We made the decision, okay?You and Mary Beth made the decision.
01:01:27Yes.Your sister and you decided that euthanasia was the best thing for him?Yes.Because medically wise, I knew with a big, giant mass in the swamp that he had maybe months to live.Yes, months.And he had lost his mind.That's good. Months more. Thank you. I'll take it.Maybe it was wrong. Why do you think I battle every day with it?
01:01:54So anyway, he went to sleep.Okay.We thought he was...Dead?Dead.And? He wasn't.So when we saw it...He opened his eyes.
01:02:03I looked at us and I said, now what do we do?You asked her now what to do?I said, what do we do now?Listen to him.I don't know if I can even tell the rest of it.You put a pillow over his face.Yeah, we did. Not a pillow, but we did.I had to spray him with this.
01:02:23By pinching his nose?Did you pinch your father's nose? How did you do that?I can't talk.What do you mean you can't talk? You already told me.this is the only way to get it off your chestyou've never told anybodyyou might as well finishso I know and you know
01:02:42that the truth has been tolddid you pinch his nose and hold his mouthI mean that's very personalthat's probably why you're havingproblems right now mental problemswhich you do by the wayyou realize you can't tell a therapist this rightNo, I can't tell the therapist, and you can't tell anybody.
01:03:05You can't tell anybody.She knows.Well, anyway, there's no proof of it.He's a criminal. He's gone. He's ashes. There's no evidence.There's evidence if you admitted it, if you walked into the police and admitted you did that, there would be evidence.What if she does? What if she goes crazy? Your sister, Mary Beth, is crazy.What if she goes crazy one day and walks in and admits it?I just deny it.
01:03:32You would just deny it?And you think that...I would stand there and admit that I killed my father?Do you know?Not me, but we did.Who pinched his nose?She did.And did you hold his mouth?
01:03:51I put a washcloth in it.You put a washcloth in his mouth?How can you live with yourself?It's hard, Anthony.It's very hard.But he was alive and you ended his life.I know I did.He did.
01:04:08Did you guys discuss money before you did this, how you could inherit?No.It had nothing to do with money?Nothing to do with money.Are you sure?It was what we were living with.What we saw, and the doctor just told me, your father has a massive cancerous, his whole lung is full of cancer.He may have two months left to live.
01:04:27But there's been miracles in the past.Okay, so what do you want me to do now?Go confess to the police?I didn't say to do that.Only you know what will set you free.Nothing will set me free.You can't decide that a miracle of modern medicine couldn't have saved him and cleared his cancer out.Never. Never in a million years.
01:04:51You can't decide that.The doctor said it. He told me.But he's not dead. You can't end his life.You know this. You know you can't end a life. You know it's murder.Yes, I do.That's murder.Look at you. Little innocent you.You've actually murdered a person in this world.
01:05:13And your own father. I've never murdered a person. I'm dangerous.I'm a dangerous individual.People start fights with me and I don't just wrestle with them.I pound them into oblivion.And I've never murdered anybody. I can't believe it.I've even wanted to in the past.I've even thought...So then why are you thinking...
01:05:28Now, what are you going to do?What do you mean?That I've told you.I'm just...I can't believe that you murdered...Not me.Me and my sister.I can't believe that you...
01:05:40I thought it just on me.We made the decision together as a family.She's a dumbass.You're the ringleader.You know that.The first person to think,let's just euthanize him was you.You know that.
01:05:52And she agreed.No, she wasn't.And she agreed.No.That's not true. Oh, you both said at the same time you have one two three, let's euthanizePut some possiblehang tight buddy we're waiting on a couple people to get here okay she's um i know she's she'stexting me that her window's closing and you know if i play this right you might be able to talk to
01:06:35marybeth okay well to her and marybeth will walk in from work and i might be able to spring and ithink that's the best way marybeth's a loose cannon but if she walks in and says what thehell is he doing here i might say she just told me about that and she might go right you knowwe'll work it out let's I got a couple we got some things coming over here andmoving well thanks tell me just tell me I know we're gonna get the devices okayhang tight here are you
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