Crimeatorium - The State of Florida vs. Laurie Shaver | The Murder of Michael Shaver | Part 5

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Onn November 2015, Michael Shaver, a Disney World employee and father of two, seemingly vanished from his Florida home. His wife, Laurie, told friends and family that he had abandoned them and started a new life. But as the years passed without anyone seeing or speaking to Michael, questions began to mount.When a concerned friend finally contacted authorities, investigators turned their attention to the Shaver property, where a disturbing discovery would transform a missing-person investigation into a murder case.What followed was an extraordinary trial involving conflicting accounts, accusations of deception, and testimony that would leave jurors with difficult questions about what really happened to Michael Shaver.In this eight-part condensed courtroom series, Crimeatorium takes you inside the trial of Laurie Shaver through carefully selected testimony, evidence, and courtroom proceedings. Follow the prosecution and defense as they present their cases..New episodes of this series will be released every Thursday and Sunday. Look for Part 6 this Sundat October 4.If you’d like to support Crimeatorium and help fund its research and production, visit crimeatorium.com/support.Music:CO.AG Music https://www.youtube.com/@co.agmusic1823If you have a case suggestion for Crimeatorium, please send it to [e-mail]

to true crime stories with Crime Atroryan. Do you currently have an attorney? Yes. January 22. Prior to retaining an attorney, had you spoken with Law & Morse? Yes. About the matters of this case? Yes. Had you spoke with them multiple times prior to retaining an attorney?

Yes. Why did you... When my name came out As part of this case, my wife and I felt that we would retain an attorney to help us through the process, help us understand the legal side of this. You were willing to call? Yes. Yes. Yes.

And first of all, what branch? The United States Army. Served from 1998 to 2003. And why did you leave the military? I was shot three times in Afghanistan. and was almost killed, was medical retired out. Through both my legs and one right through my side. Now, do you know Lori Shaver?

I do. How did you meet her? I met her at one of the public parks. And about when did you first meet? September 2015. And what were you doing at the park? I had my son there. Are you married?

Yes. How long have you been married? 16 years. about five? What was the kind of homework related? My wife works. I'm retired out of the military. And when you met this shaver at the park, did she have any of her children there?

She had her son. Did chat with her? Did you start some sort of relationship? What kind of developed in there? She approached me and asked if it was okay if her son played with my son. Do you see her in the courtroom here today? I do. And you point her out and identify her by something that she's wearing.

She's wearing a black shirt with white. Which seat did she sit? Next to Mr. Wiggs. And would she call you Jeremy or would she call me something else? Jay. After that first time you met her at the park, did you see her again? Yes. And was that also at the park?

Was that at another location? It was at the part. At some point, did you all exchange phone numbers? Yes. When approximately was that? About the third time I met her. Did you all exchange text messages and phone calls? Text messages.

After starting to text back and forward, at some point did a physical relationship begin? Yes. About when did that? First week of December 2015. How often would you see her? One, two, three times a week. And when of when these visits occur? It would occur during her lunch break, which was...

Yes. When you would go during the lunch break were her kids there? No. Where was your son when you would go over to that house? In school. Did you ever go over to that house? her residence and spend a night during this time frame?

No. During any point in your relationship, did you spend the night over at her house? No. And we've discussed the fact that you were married at that time. It's fair to say your wife did not know about these. By her instance. No, Judge. Its opinion test

to speculate about his wife's understanding and factual state of mind. I'll thank you. Sorry, did you have knowledge of it? Did you know whether your wife knew or not? My wife did not know. You definitely didn't tell her. No.

No. All right, overruled. Please move on. Had you stayed out overnight and spent time away when your wife was around, that would raise suspicions. Is that fair? Correct. Sustained. Were you trying to avoid raising your wife's suspicions?

Yes. Did she tell you. about her marital status? Yes. And what did she tell you? That she was going through a divorce. Did she tell you her husband's name? Michael Scherer.

Did she tell you where he was? She said that he had left with a friend in a vehicle. When did that happen in relation to when you started this physical relationship with her? When she told me that Michael had moved out, That was November 2015. So the time frame that you started going to the house was after that? It was the first week of December. During the course of the affair, would you exchange text messages, phone calls, and photographs?

Yes. And during this time frame, what was the status of your marriage? my wife and I were not in a good place. We were kind of going back and forth if we were going to stay or get a divorce. Was there ever a time that Lori gave her expressed to you that she wanted you to leave your wife to be with her? Yes. And was that what you want? No.

Did there ever come a time in February of 2016 where Lori Schaeber was upset with you about your status with your wife and your refusal to leave the marriage? Yes. And during that time frame, were there text messages about that? Yes. Showing you what's been previously been marked for identification, certain of the fence, S HQ. Yes. And first of all, how do you recognize those tech messages?

Lori sent those to me. And does it include communications with you and her back and forth? Yes. Your Honor, at this time, the stage will move states Q2 into evidence to cease. 45, I believe. Certain objections, right? Same objection is overruled. Go ahead and refer to the exhibit that you have there.

First of all, there's a couple phone numbers on here. On that first page where it says receiver 352-431-014. 19. Whose number was that? I don't recognize it. Okay. Well, what about 352-613-4100? That's mine. Okay. You recognize the messages from the content as being you and the Schaeber. Yes.

The first message that I want to draw your attention to is on the first page, February 23rd, 2016. Was that a message from Lori Schaeber to you? Yes. Up top there in the white, this is one at 10, 17 p.m. what was the content of her message? Why did you lie to me? That one?

Yes. Yes. Go ahead and read the whole thing. Why did you lie to me about Saturday night? And then moving on to the next page, 10.3.48 p.m. still February 23, 2016. What was the content of the message you received from Ms. Shaver there? No wonder why you shaved your beard. What about the first message, the 100348 on the bottom?

Neighbors my ass. And when she's talking about neighbors my ass and no wonder why you shape your beard, what is she referring to there? I had shaved my beard completely off. I had a little smaller beard kind of like yours and shaped it all off. and she was saying that her neighbors could vouch for the affair. Okay. Going on to the next page at 108.45 p.m. on the bottom in the gray.

What is the message that she sends to you there? Nice wedding ring. I thought you didn't wear that anymore. What is she referring to there? I had a, my wedding ring I had put back on. had a picture with my wife. It was posted on Facebook. And did this cause arguments between you and Morris Scher? Yes. And that was in late February of 2016.

Yes. Sometime after that, did you learn that your wife found out about the affair? Yes. And how did that come about? My wife contacted me April 12, 2016. she had received flowers. And did that expose the relationship between yourself and Lori Schaefer to her?

Not at first, because she asked me who Mike was. And I did not know who a Mike was. Once she checked her Facebook and seen the messages from Mike, it started to come out. And that was when? April 2016. At any point

When you were over at the Schaber resident Was Michael Schaeber there? No. At any point did you arrive on a scene where Michael Schaeber had... Say what? At any point did you arrive at the Shaber residence or any other place where Michael Schaefer had been shot?

No. At any point were you involved with any sort of altercation with Michael Schaeber? No. At any point did you shoot or... injure Michael Schaefer? No. At any point were you involved with disposing the body of Michael Schen? No.

And after the affair was exposed, what happened with your relationship report? I cut it off. Don't make for it, Judge. Thank you, Mr. Wiggs? Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. Let's go back to the original part of your testimony, Mr. Townsend. You represented, you had tension with the wife, and you broke up,

With her? They didn't break up. Well, you weren't seeing her, right? You were just sleeping with her? With who? Your wife. Say it again? You were still living in your marital residence, correct?

Yes. And you stayed in earlier, y'all were having problems, the two of them, correct? Yes. So you guys are having problems, and you're cheating on your wife, correct? Yes. And at the same time, you said, But I don't want to end the relationship, correct? Correct.

Okay. So you stated that you go over to Lori's about one to three times a week, correct? Correct. And what time would that be? 11 to 12. Okay. Never any earlier, correct? Correct.

In fact, you went over there more than one or three times a week, correct? No. In fact, you got Lori pregnant. Did you not? No. You stated that you never spent the night there, correct? Correct. So if anybody were to testify, they saw you spending the night there,

you know where that may be coming from? Somebody looked like you, you know? I would not know who would say I'd stay the night there because I'd never stayed a night there. You ever represent to Lori, you'd protect her from Michael. that you were a military guy and had special training? Not in that sense, no. That you were in black ops?

No. Okay. Your position, we've heard on your direct examination, that you met her in September of 2015, correct? Correct. Okay. Have you ever made a statement inconsistent with that? Not that I'm aware.

Not that you're aware of, okay? I'm going to show you your deposition. Page 5, beginning on line 11 through 12. I want you to read that to yourself. What line? 11 through 12. Don't repress your recollection? Hang on.

It just goes on to say how I met her. I asked you, have you made a statement inconsistent with that September of 2015 date? In fact, on line 11, you say, I met her in the park. I don't know when. I mean, it was a long time ago.

Correct? That was your statement earlier in time, correct? Correct. Now, we're at trial years later, and you've got it pinpointed to a particular month and year, correct? I don't have to pinpoint it. You did.

On your direct examination, you said September of 2015, correct? As I went back. Sir, did you not say on direct examination September 2015? Correct. Did you not? Earlier, you're telling me, I don't remember when. Correct? Correct. Okay. In fact, you went to the house, spent Christmas with the Shavers. Did you not? No. If anybody were to take the stand and say otherwise, do you have any idea why they may be mistaken about that fact?

I was there before Christmas, but I did not go there and spend Christmas with the Shavers. Well, how long were you before Christmas? I was there the first two weeks. Kids get out of school for Christmas break. And I was home with my family. Okay. So how long did you spend during that time period around Christmas with the Shavers? The first two weeks of December, 2015.

Ever go shopping with the Shavers? No. Since Lori, you went back to your wife. I didn't leave my wife. Well, you were really? over there with Ms. Shaver having an affair, were you not? Correct. I wouldn't say that's gainfully spending time with your wife, is it?

Sir? No. And when you went back to your wife, is it not a fact? You continued to follow, Lori? No. Never met her in a store? No. Never pulled up to her next to the light?

No. Never drove by her house? No. So you testified you were in the military, I think. think between 2019 through 2003, correct? 1998. 98, okay. And 2003, correct?

Right. And you suffered this injury, correct? Have you worked at all since then? Nursery? I did work. Okay. And you're receiving government aid and assistance, correct? Yes.

Tell the government about that. You're working? Sure. Hi. Relevance? No, rule. Answer the question, please. You tell the government about that?

I didn't have a retirement at that time when I first got out. Okay. So when you got retirement later, then you became more ill or something? Yes. Okay. Are you working today? No. I'd asked you earlier if you were in special ops or a sniper, I believe, correct?

Correct. Okay. Do you ever represent anybody that you were? not that I'm aware okay let's show you your deposition page 8 line 25s

I want you to read that to yourself my question again did you ever make a representation to anybody that you were in special ops reading your deposition does that refresh you it states that I didn't sir I answered that question

does that refresh your recollection I asked me or just trying to answer the question. No, I asked that if that refreshed his recollection. Please re-ask the question and please answer directly. You read your answer, correct? Correct. It says, I don't. My question to you is just this.

Did you ever, did that refresh your recollection whether or not you ever made that representation? And I stated it says, I didn't. You represented? No, I said, no, question. No, I said to anybody? that I don't know. That I don't know, correct?

Were you going around towing people, Mr. Townsend, you'd been special ops? I was not saying I was special ops. Did you ever tell Lori again that you'd protect her from Michael? No. You had discussed with Lori about getting a divorce, correct? I said me and my wife were in a bad spot and we had talked about a divorce. Now, Lori wouldn't be satisfied with you. that explanation, would she?

She'd want a little more from you than that, correct? Correct. So you had to approach this topic and make some representation that you guys were going to be an item in some fashion, correct? No. Okay.

Lori was content with you saying, well, I'm going to stay with the wife. I'm just over here having some fun. The agreement in the beginning was... Sir, is that what the relationship was? Your Honor, just the letter to answer to this question. No.

Not the question when I'm asking Let me approach. Come on up for a sidebar, please. Thank you. Mr. Townsend, you were describing the relationship you had with Lori. You're having this affair with her, correct? Correct. Okay. Tell us about this relationship. What your understanding was with Lori Shaver?

They're supposed to be friends with benefits, no strings attached. Friends with benefits. Okay. And yet you're still contemplating a divorce at that time, correct? Correct. Okay, so there was a discussion. A discussion about what? Now, your position is you had no knowledge of Michael Schaever being shot, correct?

Correct. Okay, you weren't in the house, correct? Correct. Now, you knew the Shaver children, correct? I didn't know them, like, on a personal basis, I knew she had children. and I only seen them a handful of times. Okay, a handful of times. You're there two, three times a week.

Okay. The kids are in school. Now, you're there at their Christmas break, correct? The kids were not there during school. Okay, during their Christmas break. I wasn't there during Christmas break. When was Michael Schott? I don't know that.

Okay. Do you ever make a statement indicating to the contrary? I'm going to show you your deposition again, sir. I know what I told you. I can approach. Yes, sir. Page 16, I want you to read my free through to yourself. Yeah.

Your position was, I have no evidence, that I was nowhere near during the time frame or whatever happened to Michael. So now you're saying, I don't know when he was shot, but I know I wasn't around there during that. time frame. Correct? So you're saying, I don't know when this man shot, but you can't pin it on me.

But if you read farther, I said that... Is that what you just said? Your Honor, objection. Trying to answer the question. No, you can rehabilitate your own witness. All right. And Mr. Wiggs is correct. So please answer the question directly.

That's once the question's asked, answer it directly, and then move on. Thank you. Right. So you don't know what? was killed, but you're saying, you can't pin it on me. I was nowhere around without knowledge when he was killed. Correct, sir? That's what you stated in your deposition. No, it's not. I just read it to you. You just read it yourself. But like I said, if you read farther, sir, that's what you said, right? Can we approach with the transfer?

Sidebar, please. Did the state advise you of a date that Michael Schaver was shot? No. Mr. Townsend, did you get a tattoo in 2016? No, I did not. Do you have any tattoos at all? I do. What you describe them?

It's an Indian dress chief with a compass and a map. Roses? You have her roses? Tell me about that one. The roses are in the tattoo. Okay. What's the full tattoo? I just described it.

I may speak up. I just described it. He said it's roses in a tattoo. What's the full tattoo? It's an Indian chief with a map and a compass. Okay. Did you see Ms. Shaver at the store in 2016 approach her to show her your new tattoo?

No. Okay? You never did that? No. Mr. Townsend, your family own any property in Silver Springs area? No. Okay. Do you have parents in Ocala? No.

Okay. Do you have any parents in the state of Florida? Yes, I do. Where do they reside? Crystal River. Crystal River, okay. They own any land? That their house is on? Yeah. How much land? Five acres.

Okay. All right. That's all I have. Thank you, Chad. All right. Thank you. State. Did it back to whether or not you had a prior incident about knowing when Michael Schaeber was still, let me show you your deposition transcript. And can you just go ahead and... Coach, that's it proper... Sustained, please ask the question. If the question is announced properly, then you can approach the witness with the deposition.

Please inquire. In that deposition, tell Mr. Wiggs repeatedly that you do not know when Michael Figer was still. Correct. And that statement that Mr. Wiggs was reading about, I have evidence that I was nowhere near during the timeframe or whatever happened to Michael Schaeber, did you say at least four times after that that you did not know when he was shot? Correct. As far as September of your memory about the Wain-Ber-Smithers-Smith, Ms. Schaefer, at deposition, you said you didn't remember, and today you said that you first met her in the

park in September of 2015. So what happened in between the deposition and today that helped with your member? I went back through all the old text messages to refresh my memory because this is nine, going on almost 10 years ago. I don't remember everything I did during that period of time. So to refresh myself, if I was asked that question, I would know how to answer it. So I went back through all the old text messages and figured out when I seen Ms. Shaver. Nothing, bro. All right, thank you.

Mr. Wiggs. Thank you. Please call your next witness. The state recalls, Detective Jared Strickland. All right, Detective, can you just reintroduce yourself to the train? Sure. Good morning. Corporal Jared Strickland, the late sheriff's office.

Now, going back, talking more about the Facebook. records that you can analyze. Sure. As a quick reminder, how many different IEP addresses were shared with the Michael Schaeber account and the Lori Schaeber account over that two-year period

there were 13 IP addresses between the two? Looking at Lori Schaver's Facebook records first, shortly after Mike Schaeber's disappearance in November of 2015, was there record

activities showing Lori Sheaver basically returning on to Facebook or becoming active on Facebook again? Yes, there was. And specifically, what indicated that when you... There was a photo of her that was posted a selfie that she took of herself, and the comments that were on that photo were essentially saying things like, Welcome Back. It's been a while.

Happy to see you back. The state is showing defense what has been previously been barque from, the identification of states RR. Witnesses are RR. you recognize that exhibit? Yes, I do. And what is that exhibit? This is a selfie photo of Lori Schaber.

Is that the ones that we just discussed? Yes, it is. And was that taken from the actual Lori Schaber Facebook records that are already in evidence? Yes, it was. This time the state moves states are in evidence. It states 46. Any?

You can object on 90.4.01. And the objections are raised in motion and exclude digital data. All right. Objections overruled. What was the date of this selfie post and the comments about the year back? November 11th, 2015. Now,

on November 11, 2015, did she make another post? Yes, she did. The witness states S.S. Is this the status that you referred to? Yes, it is. And is that taken from the Lori Schaeber Facebook records that are already in evidence. Yes, it was. The state would move states 40s, as an evidence, the state's 47.

Any objection? No objection. All right. Objection's overruled. Go ahead. And can you go ahead and read that status? Of course, sending a huge thank you for those who've served our country. My dad, grandfathers, and to my brave, loving man, can't get any braver than those men and women. So much respect.

The course of the investigation was there ever. any indication that her husband Michael Schaeber was in the military? No. Was there ever any indication that her boyfriend at this time, Jeremy Townsend, was in the military? Yes. And what is the significance of November 11, 2015? Veterans Day. Over the next couple of months, did she post anything on Facebook regarding her workouts or

physical activities? Yes, she did. Showing defense what has been previously in Mark. for identification as states T-T-U-U and B-V. Showing witness states T-T for identification. You recognize that post, T-P specifically. What is that post? The photo of Lori Shaver on a, it looks like a weight bench.

And it was that from her Facebook records that were previously entered into evidence? Yes, it was. And states, you, what is that? Also a selfie photo of Lori Shaver and a vehicle wearing workout clothes. And does it reference in the content of that going, they're having something to do with Workout without reading what it is? Yes, it does. And what about States VV?

It's a photo of a workout machine in a barn or a shed. Now, are all three of those from the Lori Shep. Facebook records that we've been talking about in our previously in evidence. Yes, it was. At this time, Your Honor, the state removed states T-T-T-48-U into evidence of 49 and VV into evidence as states 50.

Any objection? Objections are overruled as to the three exhibits. Very quickly, before we move on to publishing those photos, I do want to go back the activity from November 11th, 2015. on review of the IP logs, was there any other activity other than posting photos or status

updates associated with that date? Yes. And what was that? Michael Schaeber's activity also, I believe. Was there anything on Lori Schavers' IP logs that is already an evidence that referred to her changing her Facebook profile names? Yes, her name was changed. I'm going ahead and publishing states.

47 previously marked as T. Is this the workout picture that's your reference? Yes. Can you go ahead and read the post associated with that? Slowly getting back into the weights and was happy to see these muscles come back alive today. Smile through the pain.

What was the status posted there? Mentally preparing myself for leg day with the most awesome personal trainer. Not going to lie, I'm a bit scared. It's a love, hate, relationship, she makes me swear, L.O.L. And I don't do that often.

January 2nd, 2016. May 14, 2016. Also contained in the Lori Schaefer Facebook records, was there photographs and other posts associated with her engagement to Travis Filler?

Yes. Was there also photographs associated with the ceremony that occurred on December 31st, 2016, between herself and Mr. Fillehart? Yes. Showing the fence what has been previously been marked, the state's S-S-S for identification. You recognize that post.

Yes, I do. And is that post from the Lori Schaber Facebook records, that is already in evidence? Yes, it is. And first of all, can you read the date? That this was posted. August 12th, 26. Was there any sort of message that was associated with these photographs that were posted?

Yes, there was. And what was that? God has gifted us with a great blessing, that of bringing us together. We are excited to now publicly announce we are engaged. We have appreciated all the love and excitement from our close friends and family. We are so blessed, I'm going to be a filmer. That was August 12, 2016. There are also posts associated with the installation of the fire pit and ultimate cement slab?

Yes. I'm showing you what had been previously been marked as seats. WW, show up to the fence. You're right now as that post and series of photographs. Yes, I do. And were those taken from? of the Lori Schaber Facebook records that are already in evidence. Yes, it was.

This time, the state's move states WW into evidence. The state's 52. Any objection? Same objection, yeah. Reaction's overall. Hello, it is Ryan, and we could all use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we? Just to make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes, counting your steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. That is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino.

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18 plus. Terms and conditions apply. First of all, can you say the date that this was posted? March 24th, 2016. And what is the content of the post? Newest project. Built this fire pit today. Cut a portion of the fence for straight access from back.

porch and now just need to pour in concrete, put in a new gate, and figure out seating. Going to be a great summer. Go ahead and look at the final put of the net. And have you recognized the children? Yes, I do. Those are Mike and Lori Shaver's children. Thank you very much. She referenced pouring a concrete slab or their later posts on her Facebook profile about purchasing some concrete. Yes, there was. We've got to go ahead and show you state XX. Shepin defense.

You recognize this? Opposed? Yes, they do. Is that related to the person to congregate from Lori Shaver's Facebook profile already in evidence? Yes, it is. You're on this time the state, who states X, X, X, and the evidence, it states 53. Any objection? All right, sir.

Objections overruled. What date is this posted? April 28th, 27. 16. And what is the content of the post? It was originally a photo of bags of cement in the back of a truck. There are comments, yes. But did Lawrence Schaeber comment on that? Yes. Somebody asked what it was. She said, cement. It's going in the area around the fire pit I built, going to make a seating area. Somebody else asked, how on earth would you mix and pour that? Don't you need. a huge machine. Good luck. Can't wait to see.

Lori Lee Schaver, Filmer, posted, nope, a wheelbarrow will do, and you mix with muscles, LMAO. In the course of your investigation, did you also find evidence of subsequent purchase of war concrete? Yes. Showing the defense one has been previously marked the state's YY. Direct your attention, States 54. These are records that we have. obtained from Lowe's.

And is there a receipt showing purchase of concrete by Lori Schaeber within those records? Yes, there is. Associated with your search for records about purchase of concrete, and you also look into whether or not any cement-related equipment have been rented by either Lori Schaeber or Travis Filmer from any of the other home improvement source? Yes, I did. And did you find any of this? I did.

What was that? It was a concrete mixer that was rented from Home Depot by Travis Filmer. After that cement mixer rental and this cement purchase, was there photos on Facebook correlating with the cement slab around this time? Yes. I'm going to go ahead and show you what has been previously been marked for identification. It states ZZ to recognize this. exhibit? Yes, I do.

And is that a post from Cory Schaeber's Facebook that is all that we've been talking about already in evidence? Yes, it is. This time the state moves states ZZ and the evidence that states 55. Any objection?

Same objection, John. Objections overrule. What is the date of the series of photographs for this post? September 19th, 2016. And the second photograph here is what is being depicted in the photo itself.

The fire pit is visible behind the young girl. And that ultimately is the cement slab that was covering Michael Schaeper's body? That's correct. All right, I want to move on to some discussion of the records from Michael Schaefer's Facebook account again. Now this photo showing the installation of the cement slab, what big was that? September 19th. 2016. Did you find activity on Michael Schaeber's Facebook after September 19th, 2006?

Yes, I did. Showing defense, showing the witness was already in evidence, states exhibit 11. What is states exhibit 11? Say a photo of Mike Schaver. And specifically this, a photo from Michael Schaeber's Facebook records. Yes, it is. What would Facebook categorize this photo as. This was a profile picture. And when was this particular photo hosted onto the Mike Schaeber Facebook account? March 8th, 2017. So about six months after that post about the Smith Slavre? Yes. Were there other profile pictures posted on Michael Schaefer's Facebook profile after the Smet Slavs was born in September of 2016? Yes, there were. I'm showing you what was identified is entered into evidence of C.X. 12.

When was that profile picture uploaded on the Michael Schaeber's Facebook account? January 2nd, 2018? When you viewed this picture, did it seem unusual? It did. And why was that? It does not depict Michael Schaeber anywhere in it. So did you do any research into this photograph? I did.

What did you utilize in order to research this photograph? So I used what's called a reverse image search. So we can, anybody can do it. You can save an image to your computer, in this case, this image, and you go to Google and click on a little icon that looks like either a camera or a photo, and you can put that photo in to Google search, and Google will search all of the Internet to see if that photo has ever been posted anywhere else. And did you find indications of when and where this photo was posted?

Yes, I did. This photo was posted on a Bloody Mary Mix company's Instagram page called, I believe it was Redneck Sportsman's Juice. I'm showing this text with the producer of the market states B, B, B, for identification. Do you recognize states B, B, B? Yes, I do. Is that cover photo taken from the Michael Schaeber Facebook profile that is already in evidence? Yes, it is. This time of the state would move states.

B, B, B into evidence as states number 56. 56. Same objection, Judge. All right, objection, so we're all right. What date was this cover photo published? November 14th, 2017. So almost two years from his disappearance. That's correct.

Did you look at the IP log history associated with Michael Schaver and Lori Facebook in and around the time that this was posted. Sure. What activity in and around the date and time of this cover photo posted what here on Michael Schaevers Facebook? On November 14th, 2017, the IP addresses are the same. Mike Shaver's account was a login activity that was done at 1558, four data time, Lori Schavers account on the same day at 1559, Universal for data time and it was also

the login. So within two minutes of each other. That's correct. Prior to Michael Schaer's disappearance, what was the general content of his Facebook posts? Mike Schavers' Facebook activity was primarily focused on the airplanes. Did he post pictures of himself, his friends, airplanes, things were ready to that? Yes. Now prior to his disappearance in November 2015 did Michael Shaver's Facebook show a lot of meme posts only one that I can recall and after his disappearance in November of 2015 did that change again I'm showing that's what has been previous in Marcus states CCC for identification showing the witness states CCC for identification what is that

the mean that was posted Mike Schavers Facebook And that's basically one page from the 3,000 pages that's already in evidence. That's correct. The state moves states CCC into evidence as states 57. Any objection? No objection, several rules. First of all, what was the date of this post? January 5th, 2016.

And what is the content of the meme itself? What did it say? Don't take a good woman for granted. Someday, someone will come home. will come along and appreciate what you did it. Now, did you look at the Facebook activity as far as the IP logs associated with Michael Schaeber's Facebook and Lori Schavers' Facebook for that day? Yes, I did.

Does that appear on summary page 9? Yes, it does. Sorry. And what was the activity related to this post on Michael Schaeber's Facebook prepared to Lori Schaeber's Facebook? Mike Schaeber's account uploaded the photo. Lori Schaeber's account updated or uploaded a photo. And what were the times of those?

Mike Schaeber was at 1605, universal coordinated time. Lori was at 208 universal coordinated time. But sharing the same IP address. Correct. State is showing defense when it's been previously marked, a seat's DDD. Showing when the states D, D, D, D.D. Do you recognize that exhibit?

Yes, I do. And what does that exhibit? Also, a meet was posted to Mike Schaeber. State Book account. Is that from the same Facebook records that we've been talking about? Yes. The same move

states D, D, D, D, and to evidence of C. 58. Any objection? Objection is overruled. First of all, when was this posted? January 18, 2016. And can you go ahead and just read the content

of the meme itself? Some people need to mind their own business. Hashtag get a light. Was there activity on the same IP address from Michael Schamer and Lori Schaeber's Facebook accounts on that day? Yes, there was. And can you go ahead and tell the jury, first of all, when the activity was on Michael Schaeber's account? January 18, 2016, 335, Universal 4-Dated Time, the photo was uploaded. January 18, 2016, 1521, Universal 4-Dated time.

photo was uploaded to Lori Shavers. Now, switching back to Lori Shavers, Facebook, what types of things would be posted on Lori Shaver's account? She would publish photos and also means. Based on the sheer volume of the records, fair to say that account was posted to much more frequently. That's correct. And the large number of pictures of herself, family, kids, thanks for that major. Yes.

But did she also post me as quite often? She did. I'm showing you what's been previously to mark the state's EEEE. Showing to the defense first. Showing witness states EEE, do you recognize that? I do. And is that a post from the Lori Schaeber Facebook records that is already that? Yes, it is.

All right, this time of state, we have states 58. into evidence of states 59. Say how good. All right. So states E over defenses objection states EEE will be entered into evidence of states number 59.

First of all, when was this posted? January 8th, 2016. And what is the content of the post itself? The photo says sometimes you just have to turn around, give a little smile, throw the match, and burn that bridge.

Now, going down further on that same page, is there a reference to the next post? There is. And what is the reference to the next post that appears on the Awesome Day, Getting Dirty. And what date and time was that post? January 8, 2016, at 001A, Universal 4-Datat Time. And on the following page of the Facebook records is there a photograph that's associated with it. that's associated with that. Yes, there is. I'm showing the defense what has been previously

been marked the states F, F, F, F, F, for identification. You're like in the United States, F, F, F, for identification. Yes, they do. And what is that? A photo of Lori Schaver with mud on her shirt. And is that the next page in the page book records that we've been discussing? Yes, it is. Or at this time, the state moves states F, F, F, and evidence, the states 60. Any objections? objection is overruled now during your review of the Facebook records of Michael Schaver specifically referring to the photographs that were sent through Michael Schaeber's Facebook account to Vanessa Thompson did you find evidence of photographs contained within there associated with his photo?

Yes, they did. I'm showing the defense what has been. previously been marked a state's G G G G for identification showing witness states G G G G G G do you recognize those photographs? Yes, I could. And where were those photographs from? These were from Lee Bidre from Lory's Facebook. Or were these from Michael's Facebook in the images?

Those from Michael Schaeber's Facebook, the images sent to Vanessa Towson. They are the images that were sent to Nophton. You're at the Senate State which states G, G, G, G, and evidence that states 61. Second objection, you guys. Objections overruled. So the photographs on the left and right are from the photo sent to the Nassette Townsend, and the photo in the middle is the picture from Lori Schaefer's Facebook profile. That's correct.

Returning to Michael Schaefer's Facebook, as you were going through, other than that photo from the far? Were there other photos? Was there another photo that some suspicion from? Yes, there was. I'm sure the defense one has been previously been marked in the state's I, I, I, I. Is that the photo that you found suspicious from the Michael Schaefer Facebook account? Yes, it is. You're out at this time to say it moves seats I, I, I, in this, into evidence of states number 62. Any objection, Mr. Wiggs? Oh, sir. Sime of the chair. All right, objections.

Is that the photo that we were referring to on the left-hand side? Yes, yes. And first of all, why was that suspicious to? Like some of the others also did not depict Michael Schaeer. All right. And when you have your suspicions, what do you do to look into it? A reverse Google image search. Using the same process you talked about on the bar photograph?

That's correct. And what did you learn of when you did that? This photo is not original. It's been shared on the internet numerous times. Was there any other related information that you got from Facebook associated with this post? Yes, it was. And what is that? This photo was uploaded along with a check-in location.

What is a check-in location? Facebook gives users the ability to let people know where they are. Whatever they go to the app, they can check in and basically tell people that they are at a specific location. Now, do you actually have to physically be at that location? that location in order to have you a Facebook check with you do not was there information on the IP laws associated with this photograph and the summary yes there was and can you indicate first of all is 53 54 of that summary July 25th there's the IP address along with another IP address that was also

used in the same time frame Mike Schavers account with a login login and then also an action photo uploaded. And was there activity on Lori Schaeber's Facebook? We want to see the same ID address. Yes, there was a password change. And what is the time, first of all, the time of the Michael Schaver Facebook profile associated with this check-in in the middle of Lake Okeechobee?

Mike Schamer in the count was on 725, 2016 at 1310, University. coordinated time the password change on Lori's account was the same date at 13 or 4 Universal 4 data time so within six minutes both of these accounts are utilized in the same that's correct now as you were going through Michael Shaver's Facebook profile and focusing on the messages and screenshots of text messages sent from Michael Schaefer's Facebook to Vanessa Tows Did you find screen captures of text messages between Jeremy Townsend and Lori Schaber,

where they were appeared to be in some sort of apartment? Yes, they did. What was the time frame of these text messages? February 23rd, 2016. And taking that information, did you then look at the messages sent from the Michael Schaber Facebook account? the first message that was sent to Vanessa Townsend basically indicating that the person with that account wanted to speak to Vanessa. Yes. Go ahead and pulling up that portion of the records.

When was that attempt to reach out to Vanessa done? February 25th, 2016. I'm going to go ahead and get away from Facebook now. We're going to move to financial records. Talked about getting the records for Lord. Schaber's bank accounts and checking accounts we also obtained the information or Michael Schaber's bank accounts yeah they did showing you what's been previously marked states J J J J J J those records yes they are this right this time

the state move states J J J J J into evidence with certain showing to defense yeah shows the same objection as to relevance Provative, I do you, and the dedication, this will say. All right, the objections are overruled. Now, what time frame of records were equipped? The records began summer of 2014 until March, 2016. Now, fire was his parents in November of 2015, what kind of activity appeared on his financial records, bank records.

What I refer to as financial transactions indicative of normal everyday life. What do you mean by that? Physical locations in stores, retail establishments, restaurants, and system paychecks, paying the utility to build. And the timeframe that we have published here on pages 69 and 71 of the bank records,

what time frame are we talking about? October 28. 28th, 2015 through December 24th, 2015. Okay. After basic time frame that you know called no show from work in November 10th of 2015, what types of transactions appear on those records? The transactions are, the purchases at least are no longer consistent with in-store purchases. What types of transactions do we have? purchases online as well as ATM withdrawals.

And the ATM withdrawals do they indicate where those were from? They do. And where were they? Claremont and Disney. Okay, so nothing from Georgia? Nothing from Georgia. In other investigations have you been able to go through and try to get video from ATMs and things of that nature?

Yes, they have. Do they retain that video forever? They do not. When this case came, our intention had video from ATMs expired due to the three years that had been before the bottom has even discovered. Yeah, ATM video was typically only held between 30 and 90 days. And the online purchases, what were those?

There were two online purchases to Wish.com. And what was the other online? The other online purchases were for Walmart.com. Are there any deposits associated with this? There is. And what was that? On December 14th, there was an ATM check deposit at the Citrus Tower Boulevard, assuming Chase, in Claremont, for $2,539. That amount, is that consistent with other financial records that were paid in this case?

Yes, it was. And what was that? We received a copy of this check from Merritt Finance, payable to Michael Schaeber for $2,539. And is that the same check that is referenced there in states 29? Yes, it is. After that check was deposited, what were the next transactions and just go ahead and read the dates and what they were in the amounts? The check was deposited on December 14th. On hosting day, December 14th, there was a $100 withdrawal in Disney.

On December 14th, there was a $200,000, $200,000. cash withdrawal from the Citrus Tower in Claremont. On December 18th, there was another ATM withdrawal for $500, also from Citrus Tower Boulevard in Claremont. On December 21st, there was a withdrawal in Groveland for $400. On December 21st, an ATM withdrawal for $500 from Citrus Tower. On December 23, another ATM withdrawal from Cities Tower for $500. Now moving on to page 71, is this the page that references the transaction with Walmart.com? Yes, it is. And can you go ahead and just point to it and say the date and what that transaction was?

December 23rd, card purchase. The transaction date that's listed in the description of the transaction is 22. Walmart.com, $397.16. sentence. And did you do research with Walmart or basically what was purchased in the Los Angeles case? Yes, I did. I'm showing you what's been previously in marked the states, well, showing defense was previously in the market states L, L, L, L for identification. Showing the witness states L, L, L, for identification. You recognize that doctor? Yes, I do. And are those the records that you received from Walmart? Yes, they are.

Here at this time of state, move states L, L, L, L. Any objection? Judge, same objections. Objections over rules. Now there's two documents on this CDL, full up. First one, first. Go on here, what information is contained in this first page records? This is the order summary

for the Walmart purchase that was made. Right. And first of all, who is showing from the Walmart records as the purchaser? Lori Schaeber. And where does it show that this purchase was delivered. Right here as well as right here. And here at the bottom, what is indicated here

as far as the actual purchase itself. These are the purchase amounts as well as the date and times. And is the purchase amount located on the bottom here consistent with what was from the lightshamber bank record? And that also indicates How it was paid? Yes. And that's associated with his credit card?

Correct. Going on to the other page, this includes billing information, other things associated with the Walmart.com transactions. Yes, it is. And once again, who is shown as the purchaser? Lori Chamber. Include information about other purchases. These are the items that were purchased.

And what was the types of items that were purchased? From looking at them with the club proff 70 Christmas, I believe that they were Christmas. Yes. Looking at Michael Schaeber's bank record, was there any activity whatsoever past December 15th, 2015? No, there was not. I'd rather say that's no further questions at this time.

All the data that you entered is. All the best been discussed so far. Does any of it mention some? I will repeat what I said yesterday. Does it mention a homicide? The word homicide is not impure in those records. Does any of the records that you've introduced do they discuss aiding and assisting somebody from being detected? To repeat what I said yesterday?

Anything about preventing somebody from being detected. Not as you've quoted. Now, you've spoken about financial records. You've shown photographs of Lori with bud on a shirt or so. Yes. Did you go through the financial records, for instance, and link that for any particular purpose? Which part? Well, the mud on the shirt.

Yes, I did. Okay. What's the mud room for saying? The mud was a day that her and Jeremy went to Revolution off-road on State Road 33 in Groveland. Did you suggest that to direct examination? There were purchases made. Did you suggest that on direct examination?

That wasn't asked. Right, that wasn't asked. Okay. That fact was not in any implication that she had dug her grave or fairy Michael Schaeber, correct? No, sir. Now, you talked about

or you showed images of Lori working now. Any of the Facebook data that you look at indicate her being involved with beach body sales I have no idea what that is okay and if it indicates

did you look through at each and every document indicating why she may be working out like she enjoyed it a lot of people like to work out doesn't suggest necessarily they're planning a homicide does it to repeat what I said yesterday

does it necessarily imply somebody's planning a murder No, it does not. You talk about this Facebook account being accessed in that Facebook account, and it being Lori and Michaels, correct? Yes. Okay. More than one person could have accessed that account, correct?

Sure. More than Lori Shaver, correct? Sure. If anybody was in the house, Jeremy Townsend, you know, do you testify he would be in the house? He may have been able to access those accounts, correct? theoretically. And there's been no link

testimony between the IP, the physical residence, and any device, correct? Incorrect. Okay. Didn't you testify yesterday that these IP addresses expire over time? Was that new?

Not that they expire every time, no. My testimony yesterday was that those records were only held by CenturyLink for a rolling 12 months. and that there's no preservation of the IT address or a period of time. Not for Century Link. Right. Facebook, do they internally keep the IP addresses?

They do. Perpetuity? They do. Okay. Do any of the records that you've spoken about show causation of a homicide? To repeat what I said yesterday? I'm not asking you to repeat what you said yesterday. Do any of them show and reveal?

causation of a homicide. Defined causation. The manner of. Those records did not know. You mentioned banking records. Lori Schavers not on trial for bank fraud or any such charge like that.

Is she? No, she's not. You've mentioned memes that were posted. Correct? I did. One was introduced and it said, I think, something like sometimes you have to burn the house down and move on. The bridge. That good thing and move on.

Okay. That's an expression, correct? It is. Do you find any bridge broke, burnt down, or anything like that that was relevant? An actual literal bridge, sir? No, sir. I did not. And these memes that you've testified to or have been presented,

are just standard phraseology, correct? This isn't a personal thing somebody's created necessarily. Well, they can be. Do you know who created these? I do not. I didn't look into that. Okay. You do these searches where you can look at photos and see if they're posted anywhere else.

Sure. Do you know if Lori Shaver created that meme, any single meme? I do not. Correct. And going back to all the records that you've spoken, about that have been just ushered into evidence at this stage. You're unable to account for any specific number of images to say this definitely came from Lori, this came from this person, this came from this person, correct? I don't believe so. One moment, please, Judge. Yes, sir.

Thank you. Marie-Direct. When you're referencing Facebook maintaining IT records and perpetuity. Is that how you were able to get the information from Facebook and create where that summary was created from? That's where those records came from. I have no idea what their retention period is. Or at least the period of time that you asked for, they were able to give you the IP address associated with all of those posts.

Yes, they were. And now Century Lake and who would be the one that might know or would know who the physical address was attached? those definite IP addresses. They have nothing to do with Facebook and vice versa. That is correct. Nothing further to them.