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04:41 I'll give you some LSD. Hi, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. Hello. Welcome to the world. How are you? I'm great because I got lots of snuggles from both Doug and Denise today.
04:53 I know, Doug and Denise are getting along like a house on fire. They're just like they're wrestling. I know. And she's feisty. She's going to be a bitch. I like what I'm seeing so far. She's like, going for the jugular.
05:06 Yesterday I had my Sunday. And I was exhausted. So I was like, okay, I'm going to spend all day in bed. And they were like just wrestling in my room. Like, can we please do something? And I was like, no, absolutely not. I did go see Miley. I went to go see Miley at the Hollywood Bowl.
05:20 Oh, nice. Yeah, and she fucking tore it up. It was awesome. It was so much fun. And she famously like doesn't tour, which I never really thought about before until, yeah. Well, maybe she will tour now. Speaking of touring, I am adding two dates in Jersey City at the Lowe's Theater, December 12th. I'm shooting my Netflix special, my next Netflix special.
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06:08 as do I, after having spent time with him and his masculinity, which I liked. You know him from Atonement, from X-Men, from Band of Brothers, and so much more. His directorial debut is called California Schemin. It's out everywhere tomorrow, and he also stars in the upcoming Supernatural Drama Faith. Please welcome James McAvoy. We were just getting into California Schemean. Okay, fantastic. California Schieman, which I asked him if that's his personal story, and he said,
06:38 but it's a little bit analogous to your personal story. Yeah. I mean, it's a true story. Yeah. It's based on a true story. But it's not based on your true story. No, but there's definite moments all over it that feel like my story and feel like my story, not my story, but my journey anyway. And I come in my country.
07:01 I come for this. Scotland, everybody. If you can't recognize the accent. Yeah. Is it a Glaswegian accent? I'm Glasgow region. I think Scotland is one of the most romantic places I've ever been to, by the way. Really?
07:13 And I've never been there with a love interest. I've only been there like to perform or visit. Oh, actually that's not true. I did go once. But I find Scotland, I know Scotland gets a rap. It does. About it not being beautiful. But Scotland is one of the most beautiful place.
07:28 It's a stunning country. Yeah, the weather is bad. But the like the land is stunning. And look, Edinburgh is a beautiful city. I think Glasgow's got its own kind of beauty and it's definitely got its own. kind of energy. But yeah, we get a kind of bad rap. We get, look, those things that you can't deny.
07:44 You know, we're currently, we've claimed, reclaimed the title is the drug death capital of Europe again. And there's all these things that you're told about where you come from. And you're told them by the news. You're told them by the movies that are made about your places.
07:59 For me, the movies made about the projects or the council schemes that are like the one I came from. And this is all over the world as well. they're depressing as shit, you know what I mean? And some of them are really good. They're excellent, but they're usually really investigating the sort of pornography of poverty and exploiting that.
08:17 Anyway, I was like, why can't you be in a rom-com if you're from a council scheme? Why do you not get, like, sort of weird sci-fi comedies? Well, wait, what is a council scheme when you say it? Americanize that for me. Oh, oh, when you're from, okay, the projects. Okay, got it. Social housing. Okay, got it.
08:31 Government housing. Yes. And I was like, I walk out my door as a kid and my life is full of adventure and possibility and people chasing me and my ass getting kicked and ladies and women that I want to be with and drink and yes drugs and just adventure all the stuff that goes into movies and I never see movies like that about projects or schemes. Oh okay so that's why this true story which comes from two people in that environment trying to bust into show business it's not all about that but it's kind of it's a it's a reaction to the way that those places and the people from those places are portrayed
09:06 sometimes. Yeah. Do you, do you, so it is analogous to your story to some degree. Yeah. Tell us about your story. Like how did you, what did you do? I don't know what my story is, but I know that it's, I'm in it. This is your story. I'm good at being me in my story. Yeah. Like I say, I come from a council scheme in Glasgow. Did you have brothers and sisters? Yeah, I've got a little sister, Joy, who's in the movie actually. She plays the bartender at the end. Oh yeah. She's got like a couple of lines and she always makes me cry when she's up there. And I'm like, is it because she's so warm? She gets so much warmth my sister.
09:44 She's very brilliantly and aptly named as Joy. And she's a really good actor. She's in a big show back home called Two Doors Down. Oh yeah, I know Two Doors Down. You know Two Doors Down? Yeah, I do know Two Doors Down, actually. I was having a conversation with somebody about it the other day. That's really funny.
09:59 Well, Joy's the neighbor who's probably the, I think she's the youngest women in it. She's good blonde hair. Wow, you two sound like two nippos. babies. Look at you. We ain't no nepo babies. We've never, I don't think there's anybody in our family has ever been in the arts. That's so weird that two of you would end up in the arts without parents that are in the arts. Yeah, yeah. It's the opposite of a nepo baby. I know, I know. What was, what is that? It's an open baby.
10:21 Industry baby. Climbing the ladder baby? I don't know. No, she's amazing. And we grew up, we were brought up by mother and my grandparents. And I don't know what I was going to do. I was going to be, I was thinking about joining the Navy. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just wanted to get out. I wanted to go explore the world. And then I thought I'd try acting. I'd been in a movie when I was 16.
10:43 This happened out of the blue. There was no acting class or anything like that. How did it happen out of the blue? In English class, we were reading and studying Macbeth, not performing it, just like reading it out loud and talking about it. You know, the way Shakespeare's never been intended. And it's not meant to be read. And it was meant to be spoken.
11:02 That's like when I tried to read the Iliad. or the Odyssey. I was like, oh, let me go read the Odyssey before I see the Odyssey. Page Turner. Meanwhile, I'm like, what the fuck is this language? I'm like, this is pros. It's worse than pros. But nobody told me about that. And I'm like, how you take that book and make it into something like that? You need like eight translators to explain what's happening. Anyway, the teacher that I had, Jenny, she, her next door neighbor was a well-known actor, director, philanthropist all around like good guy in Glasgow. And he'd famously played Lady Macbeth in an all-male production of Macbeth in the 70s.
11:36 He came in, chatted to us, took some stick from the boys in the class. I went up to him because I was like, I'd seen him in a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know. And I was like, dude, there's any chance next time you're making a movie, can I come and make the tea or make the coffee or whatever? So you had to all do work placement for a week. And I said, yeah, sure. So he phoned the school back about six months later. He says, that wee guy there, they sent me over.
11:59 And he gave me a script. He went, go away and read that, come back tomorrow. and came back tomorrow and I went to see the part of Kevin, Kevin Savage. He said, you're going to read that. And I'm going to read the other guy. And I was like, I'd never done any acting class or nothing. And he said, that was good. That was really good.
12:17 He said, can you make yourself cry next time? And I was like, I don't know. And we did it. And because I'm emotionally incontinent, I was like, and he was like, all right, cool. And he took me out of the room, put his arm around me and was like, is the guy that's going to play Kevin? Can we get him into caution?
12:30 We'll do some fittings. And then in walked this actor. I'm an actor now for roughly 90 seconds and then mocked this actor into the production office and I was like I know that guy because he was in a kid's TV program playing a saxophone playing
12:43 mountain bike riding crime fighting parcel courier in London in a TV show called Streetwise and it was Andy Circus and Andy walked in and he went and I started talking I was like you're in Andy Circus he went oh is this guy from Glasgow
12:59 and he's like I know he's from Drum Chapel he's from a scheme and it went, it's there any chance I could sit because I'd play a Glasgow and he was like, there's any chance I could sit with you and just like, you know,
13:08 record your accent. I was like, excellent. So I've been an actor for 90 seconds and I'm sitting down teaching Andy Circus how to suck eggs. Becoming a dialect coach, basically. Yeah. So with a Scottish accent that you have,
13:20 what is the easiest accent for you to do? Oh. I don't know. I mean, like, you know, I grow up, there's not, there's not a ton of output from Scotland. whether it's television or film,
13:33 everything that we see in film is English or American. So those are the accents you hear every day growing up in your life. It doesn't mean that every Scottish person can do English and American easily, but I would suggest it's easier for us to do you than it is for you to just immediately be able to do us. Well, nobody's able to do a Scottish accent. I mean, have we ever heard, oh, I guess Mel Gibson did one. Did he do one in brave part?
13:57 We would criticize it, but he did all right. I mean, when I think about Mel Gibson doing that, I forgot. I was like, that could have been one of those movies where you get away without doing the accent. You know, where all of a sudden,
14:06 everyone speaks American. And you're like, like what? I was going to say like the Odyssey where they even made the Brits have an American accent. I still haven't seen the Odyssey actually because I haven't finished the book. You made the Brits have an American accent?
14:16 Well, you got to pick one, right? Yeah, or you just go, everybody just be yourselves. I mean, I remember it was the girl with a dragon tattoo. And was it set in Denmark?
14:25 Yeah. Or Sweden or, I think it's Denmark. Yeah. And everybody is kind of doing it. I don't know what I'm doing. And it's like I was fucking Russian. But like everybody's doing a can of a Danishified.
14:34 Do you know what I mean? Except Daniel Craig's just went, I'm stupid. I'm just doing me. And I was like, yeah, I get it. You should. Can you do an Australian accent?
14:41 Yes, esh. But Australians would probably go, no, you can't. Okay, let's hear something in an Australian accent. I don't know.
14:47 What would you like to say? I don't know. Like sometimes when people say to me, you've got to do an accent and you're like, I can do this. I can do this for like 90 seconds when I'm on my own. Yeah. But the minute that I start to riff,
14:59 it just goes. I was at the fucking window. It's like me and my Spanish, basically. I could do Spanish for about 90 seconds before I start panicking. Do you really the worst thing I hate is when you see an actor do in an interview and somebody goes like, can you do an accent? And you go, well, yes, I can actually. And you know the thing about this accent?
15:14 Is that actually you really go to like, accentuate the hours or whatever. And you're kind of going, oh, God, actors wanking about acting. It's pretty tricky to see straight men specifically. It's hard to hear anyone. Like, I understand acting as a craft. I understand there is a lot of effort that goes into it. But as a bystander, it is pretty sickening to watch people talk about it seriously for such a length of time.
15:39 Do you know what I mean? Because it's more fun to talk about what's going on with you as a person to get a little color to why you're such a good actor. Rather than hear you talk about fucking acting. And anybody who really wants to sit around and talk about acting is eventually really fucking annoying. And that's just the way it is. I love acting.
15:55 And I will talk to actors about acting. all day long. But I hear you, man. It's like the end product is the thing that's interesting. Right. Our process or our little dance that we do or our little mind games that we play, it's like, ah, who cares? But don't you think you also get to a point in your career where it's kind of, I don't know, maybe I feel like this and maybe this is singular to me, but like as far as comedy goes, like stand up, like when people ask me questions seriously about creating a standup routine or an hour or a special or something, I don't really want to talk about that. I just find it to be a little bit like it's it's it's not that serious it's like you're telling stories right so i i would think like
16:32 once you get good enough at something it's actually becomes less interesting to talk about yeah and also as well i feel like you spend the first sort of 10 years of your career maybe less if you're really good like sort of clawing at handholds and footholds and like this is my technique and this is what i'm wrestling and stanis laski and like myzner and fucking the method and all that and then after a while you start to internalize all that stuff and it becomes more instinctual and I'm actually less able to talk about it now because I don't have like technique that I'm relying on that's conscious. It is just more like you're just kind of like you said telling a story actually. Yeah, because you could you imagine sitting here with Robert De Niro, sorry, Bobby De Niro. I'm being like, tell us what, tell us how to get into
17:16 character. He'd be like fuck off. He doesn't have any patience for that to talk about that. And I respect that. Yeah, me too. I like that. Okay. So let's talk about some of your favorite movies that you've been in without talking about the acting process. First of all, have you forgiven Sorsha, Sorsha, Sorsha, Sorsha, Sursha, Rohn. It's a beautiful name if you can get it right. I mean, I've heard some real bastardizations of it, like Swarsey. Swarcy. Hey, Swarcy. Why didn't you come on in? Which is right around the corner from swastika, so people should not be saying Swarcy. Seriously. Have you forgiven her for the ending of Atonement? Oh my God. No, that film gets me still. And sometimes
17:56 I think about those characters and I get upset. I think it's one of the best things. Beautiful film. I've been the best things I've ever done. Joe Wright did an incredible job on that. What a brilliant book and but what like maybe the most faithful book adaptation, not ever,
18:10 but like I've been in anyway and I've been in a lot of book adaptations. Yeah, what other book adaptations have? One other one. Last King of Scotland. Oh yeah. That was a great fucking movie too. That was a good film. I liked that a lot. The Last Station. Oh yeah. Do you know the Ziti Smith?
18:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. White teeth. Yes. His dark materials. I've done tons more filth, which is one of the movies that I'm most proud of as well. I'd say Atonement and Filth are the two movies and performances. Maybe not Atonement Performance, but the movie itself that I'm most proud of. What about if you could pick a group of superheroes that would save us from AI,
18:47 would you choose X-Men or The Avengers? All of our lives depended on it. I mean, I've got to be honest. I'd say the Avengers because they seem to have people in their kind of ranks that are more like tech savvy than the X-Men. That's a good answer. They can do a good like Excel spreadsheet and all that, you know. Yeah. Right.
19:07 That's actually pertinent. Yeah. So do you spend a lot of time in Los Angeles? No. You don't live here. No. I mean, I think I've shot here a couple of times for like a week here and a week there. What do you think of Los Angeles?
19:18 I think it's a city that I would take a long time to come to grips with. However, I think that it reminds me. a lot of London in some ways. I know that sounds crazy because they're so different. They're both cities that don't have high rises. They didn't build up the way like Manhattan. They spread. So they're both got this like low rise spread and it takes you forever to get anywhere, which in a weird way kind of isolates you sometimes. And you spend a lot of time traveling to work or to people. And the effort put into it, I think makes people stay in a wee bit more. I think they're harder to penetrate than like, you know, cities like Glasgow, Philly that I know well and like New York.
19:59 Why do you know Philly well? My wife's from Philly. She's from Delco. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're all, I'm like a plastic eagles fan. But so, like, in those times, like I feel like you go into a bar and you do go like, hey man, can I get a such and such and some of these, you know, invariably 10 minutes might be the limit and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm doing this and that. What do? Like, there's a bit more, like, I've made friends in those cities. And I find London quite, it's quite hard. And I've been, look, I've been, I'm not dissing London. I love London. I've lived there for 26 years. You've lived there. 27 years, actually. Yeah. And I'm not one of those Scots. So a lot of Scots are down on London.
20:39 Like, I can't wait to get back up the fucking road. Well, Scots are down on a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a chirpy guy. Okay. Well, I'm a cheerful chirpy guy. You, yeah. Well, I just say, Scots, Scots like to keep to themselves. There's not a lot of Scottish people Roman around the world. Well, do you know what? There is, but I feel like the sort of, the Irish diaspora is sort of celebrated and very, very evident. And the Scottish diaspora isn't.
21:05 And it's not as big as the Irish rum because the potato famine forced people out in a way that when Scotland, we weren't forced out quite so much like that. It was a longer insidious, kind of more stealth kind of hostile takeover. But I don't know what that is. I do sometimes think, because I think we're very similar. people as Celts and is Irish and Scottish cousins. We're almost the same people, but there is a sort of joy,
21:32 joie de vivre for the Irish. That's the kind of label we put on them. And it's not what gets put on the Scots. And I don't know why, because I think, if you're looking at a party, like Glasgow's the place. Yes.
21:44 I do. I've been to parties there. It's like they start tours. Like, I think it was what the surface was it, Beyonce and Jay-Z started their worldwide joint tour. Glasgow. Did they? Yeah, because everybody starts their tours in Glasgow and Cardiff are the two cities in Wales
21:59 because they just know it's going to like they could go out and like fart on a lighter and people are like yes! I mean to be honest to me, if Jay-Z and Beyonce farted on a lighter, I would stand in cheer for them. You would still be interested. Yeah, I think that there is. There's a definite
22:15 like, like who was it, Craig Ferguson. He was our who came over and he left too. He came over to America and he was like, I've had it after a while. He lived here in L.A. He was one of my favorite people to do interviews with when he had his late night show. Did you ever do it? I did it three or four times. Oh yeah. He's funny. He was fast. Yeah, he's funny and sober. So we had nothing to talk about. Funny and sober? Yeah, sober. Well, he used to have a drinking problem. So, I mean, I guess everyone from Scotland,
22:40 you could say has a drinking problem, but that's a really, I don't know what place doesn't drink. I get, I guess Muslim places, you know, like, I mean, who doesn't have, like, a culture of alcohol. Like most places do, unless you're in Arab countries or in the Middle East somewhere, right? I think, look, I think you're right. I'm not looking to ever perpetuate stereotypes about Scottish people. I was offered, I've been offered roles that do that and I don't take them because of that. At the same time, you've got to kind of understand and know, and why is there a stereotype? Because usually there's some sort of truth in it. And I'm not saying that all Scottish people drink tons and all that. But at the same time, I think there are certain realities
23:18 about my country, about the way that it's been handled, that the second-class citizenry as a part of the UK, that not just us, but Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland, and even parts of England. You guys are trying to separate now, Scotland, right? We tried to in 2015, is it, 2016, we had the referendum. We nearly got it across. But isn't that happening again? I feel like it's happening again.
23:41 We're pushing for it. We're pushing for it. And, you know, there is no legal. I guess there's like, all right, you made it. a law that we can't do this again, but that's weird as well. You're saying a whole bunch of people they can't vote on their sovereignty. Yeah, I think that, like I said it at the time, I think it was poorly led last time and the leader of the national party who was leading it just didn't have answers. He spoke really well in headlines and just didn't have any detail. There was a point where he was doing one of those, you know, like the leader stands in a plinth and they kind of battle each other
24:17 and they said, what's going to happen with the currency? Are we going to keep the UK pound? Are we going to go into the euro? Euro might not let us in. What are we going to do? He went, well, cross that bridge when we come to it. And we're like, we're fucking standing on the bridge, motherfucker. I think shit like that lost, shit like that lost the vote.
24:36 Oh, wow. And it was marginal. We marginally remained in the UK. And don't get me wrong. I am from, I live in London. My kids are English. It's like, I'm not like down on England. I'm just like, even the English, I'm like, why do you want us?
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30:00 Podcasts all about robbery, fraud and those who practice it. Each week I bring on incredible guests like Conan O'Brien, Iowa Debris, Lamorne Morris, and Nicole Byer. Ooh, I scammed them. What? I can talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper like me. That's why I had to make yapping
30:16 a job. And the scams run the gamut. I'm talking about scams from the 1800s all the way up to today. I also warn you and keep you safe. against scammers. Call your grandparents. Tell your parents to stop clicking on links, please. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. If there's a scam, I'm here to protect you. And I'm also here to laugh with you. So if you like fun, if you like comedy and you like
30:43 learning and protecting yourself from criminals, start listening to scam goddess on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. There are thousands of podcasts that can tell you how to better yourself. Get Worse with Kyle Pruh is not one of those podcasts. So if you're interested in getting thinner, going to therapy, starting peptide, setting boundaries, taking supplements, making your better, getting closure, then I would humbly recommend other podcasts. But if you're interested in blackmail, love bombing, cloning yourself, or getting revenge, then we've got a little something, something for a dastardly individual like you.
31:19 Take a listen to some of the incredible advice we've given so far. Fake a back injury. Get the spray tan. Up your alcohol consumption. Only women should be allowed to have guns. Kill them. Kill them with a gun. Listen, it's already over.
31:33 I'm all about lying if it's something that really happened. The next time a bear is running at you, you just calmly stop what you're doing. You look the bear in the eye and you say this isn't you. Do not preserve relationships. You don't need them. You only need one thing, and that's the Get Worse podcast. Listen to Get Worse with Kyle Pruh on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So you met your wife.
32:00 Did you meet her in Philly? Where did you guys meet? I met in Philly. We worked on, she used to run N. Night Shyam Land's film company. She was like head of operations there. And I did two movies with Knight. And yeah, we got together after that.
32:14 And then you convinced her to move to London? Yeah, I said, if you don't move to London, this is over. Yeah, because I've got a kid over there from a previous relationship. And so I couldn't upstick some of it. And so how many kids do you have, just one? Two. Now you have another one with your wife. Yeah. And so, okay, so you're a father.
32:33 Yeah. And has that had an impact on your acting? Yeah. No, I don't think so. I don't know. No. Well, if you were able to cry naturally so easily on the first day of your acting career, I mean, I want to know what you were thinking about when you were able to cry that quickly. Like, what did, you must have had a little anxiety about going in there and being able to pull the trigger and make it happen. happen on command. I've had a massively active imagination from my entire life and um and also I'm quite
33:05 empathetic doesn't necessarily mean I'm compassionate um but I'm empathetic and I have been since quite a I'd say a fairly remarkable age um I've been sort of sensitized to what other people are going through so when I ended up in a situation where I was acting in something um uh even though I'd never done any acting before I was sort of ready for it in a way and it's best when this is actors talking about acting but it does explain why I did okay in that first edition I think
33:36 at it's best what I love what I'm acting is when they say action like you don't try and do it and you're trying to work yeah yeah you're not really doing techniques or anything you're just like you're a person and this situation could happen to you and it's not that you have to imagine that it's happening to you there is a guy running
33:52 with a knife all right maybe he's not going to put it in my face but like that is actually happening to me. It's not hard to imagine. I don't have to imagine. The things I'm saying are the things I'm fucking saying. There's no acting. Which is why I don't think it's a conversation talking about acting because you're talking about instinct and you're talking about being a human being reacting to a situation. It's not a method of acting, which, but also, wait, I want to go back to what you just
34:18 said that you have empathy, you had empathy, but you're not sure you have as much compassion. Because I have the opposite. When I went to a psychiatrist for the first time in my life at 40 years old, I discovered that I was very compassionate, but I lacked empathy. So you're saying the opposite is true for you or has been. I have empathy to the point where it's like, I think empathy is sort of highlighted to something that's like a positive quality. And like empathy without compassion is kind of pointless. Because you're going like, oh God, that person's going through this terrible thing.
34:48 You can still then go, don't give a shit. But just because I'm able to understand and imagine what it's like to walk in your shoes, doesn't mean that I'm going to be charitable or kind. The compassion needs to come in after that. I do think I can be charged one kind. I do think I do have compassion, but I feel like the compassion is sometimes a choice. And it's something that's to do with selflessness a lot of the time as well.
35:09 But the empathy definitely helps me being an actor. Yeah, yeah, I would imagine. I think I'm reading that there's been a couple of times that you've been told you were wrong for a part because you were too small. Yeah, which is fine. And it's like, look, there's some parts that I've told myself, I'm too short to play.
35:26 I'm like, yeah, I want a guy who's six foot five in that. role. But there's so many actors that are small. I know. Do you know, my mate had a really funny theory about why small actors do better. And I don't think small actors do do better necessarily, but his theory of a head was brilliant. He's like, well, because when you're on stage, if you're, if you're really tall, you're always like this, right? But that's closing down your body and your energy to the audience. When you're really short, you're like, so your energy's kind of open going out to the audience. And he says, plus, if you're short, you've usually got quite big head, which means it's quite easy to identify you. And I was like, why do you
36:03 always have big heads? He's like, I don't know. It's just the way it is, man. And I don't know if that's true. I don't think short people do have big heads. I think I've got a rather small head. And, uh, but I love that explanation. I thought it was great. I think your head goes nicely with your body. I think I don't think it's big or small. I think the ridiculous size of my hair right now compensates for my tiny noggin. No, I'm, I think I'm proportional. Are you growing your hair out? I have, uh, I did a TV show. I had hair extensions. They were like, we need to do a marketing shoot. I was like, great. When are we going to do that? Oh, we don't know. We'll do it next week. And it's like four months later. And they keep moving it. And I'm like, so I just need
36:35 to keep growing it. How, that must have been humiliating to have to wear hair extensions. No, it was quite good, actually. Oh, I used to wear those and they were humiliating. And we even when I look at pictures, I'm humiliated by them. Was it a choice to wear them? Yeah, I was just to have longer hair and thicker hair. And then I outgrew that. And I'm like, listen, this is what I got. Mine was to play this alcoholic drug addict that it's a comedy, but you know Frankie Boyle? Yeah. Yeah, Frankie Boyle, a book called Meantime and we turned it into a TV show. It would be out hitting TVs next year.
37:06 Oh, that's fun. What is that going to be on? I think it would be April, March or April, something like that. Is it on BBC or is it on? It's Sky. It's Sky TV. They usually partner up with, they often partner up with HBO over here, but I don't know. We'll see who it is when it comes over here.
37:21 Anyway, I decided that to play this kind of Jakey guy. I, we call it a Jake. You guys call like a tramp or something like that or a kind of junkie or whatever. I'd have a manned one. Anyway, so that's why I got the hair extensions put in. And was it the color of your hair? The natural color of your hair?
37:38 Nicotine gray. Yeah. That was me. That's the name of this episode. Nicotine gray. I like that. Have there been any roles in movies that you haven't gotten that you were real, that you really,
37:50 or that you passed on? Not that you didn't get because of your hiate because of your accent, something that you passed on that you've seen and were like, shit, that was a mistake. Oh, that's a good question. No, I don't think so. Not too much. There was, no, not that was a mistake.
38:08 The stuff that I've passed on that I knew I wasn't right for that I thought was great. And when it came out, I'm glad I passed that because that guy rocks. The one I always remember, I never properly passed it because I was never offered it properly. I got approached to play a part in the new Star Trek years ago. when they were first, JJ Abrams was first doing it and JJ wanted me to play a part and I don't want to play that part
38:28 it says, I'll play Kirk and he went, do you want to come in camera test? And I was like, nah, I was like, because I'm wrong for it. And when they got Chris Pine, I was like, this is exactly what I thought
38:40 should be doing it. He was so good in that first one. He's a great actor. And because in my head, I was like, it should be like the quarterback, like a high school quarterback. What, he's going a bit fucked up.
38:53 And he's like... You just gave us a little Russell Crow there. Oh, yeah? Yeah, that was a little Russell Crow. For the father to go mad itself. But yeah, anyway, bloody blah. He was amazing. So there's been times where it's never...
39:10 Why, I've turned it down and I'm glad I've turned it down. But I can't remember one that I'm like, oh, Christ, I should have done that. Okay. What do you like to drink? I don't anymore. You're sober? Oh, God. Another one.
39:21 I know. Another one bites the dust. You know what happened? Like lockdown. I'm not blaming it on the lockdown. But yeah, I went all three. It was a wee bit. Well, that's what a lot of people got sober after lockdown. It's so funny that everyone started drinking during lockdown because I was like, there's nothing to drink. Nobody's around. Why are we out drinking? Well, that's the thing though. Like before previously, before that kind of time in my life, I would never, I would never think to have alcohol in the house. I'd never buy it. I'd drink like a fish sometimes when we weren't out and a night
39:48 out or if there were people coming over, I'd make sure we'd wine and beer or whatever. And I'd never think to just like have stuff to make drink drinks in the house. And during lockdown that changed. And so it was always a social thing for me. It was always like when I'm with people, I can have a drink. And that's great. And then it just started to be like, I would have a drink in my own. And I got to, it didn't get like crazy, crazy bad. But I was like, I need to nip this in the bud. And so you just quit cold turkey? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All of people from that side of the world seem to have the most to drink and then be are able to stop it whenever they feel like it i don't look it's not as easy as that it is a struggle and what's it a struggle it wasn't to begin with um but there's been times over
40:32 the last sort of like it's nearly two was it coming up in two years year and a half where um where i've struggled more with it times of stress yeah which is so like obvious times of emotional stress emotional sort of upset that's that's when i'm like oh my god i could do we have fucking three fingers of a word kid, do you know what I mean? What do you think about the public aspect of your job? Like, what do you think about having to come and do stuff like this, podcast, press, promotional stuff? Like, is that something that you are annoyed by or do you, like,
41:06 how do you feel about all that? I've never been annoyed by it. Yeah. I've always seen it as people, because the chat is always like, oh my God, you must be so bored of this or you must hate this. And I'm like, no, it's usually people, fairly nice people chatting away. And because we don't have to do so many of those five, minute, five minute, five minute, five minute, five hundred of them a day junk at interviews,
41:25 because they seem to be a thing of the past a little bit. It's actually nicer. You get to have conversations like this and it's a little bit more varied. Being away from your family, because you don't get paid for this stuff. Being away from your family all the time is, that's a bit of a pain in the arts. But no, it's fairly pleasant actually, I find. And you're usually in some like far-flung place and a nice enough hotel, the flow in your business. It's like, it's not the worst way is sort of like sell your wares you know yeah yeah i like that attitude about it it is a nice way because now you know there is something very um put on about like you know being on late night shows where you have to have a funny story and it's like and that feels very fraudulent
42:06 or not not a it just feels generic right but this this whole podcast world and the way they're doing press now is different than what it was even 10 years ago oh yeah and i actually i agree with you i'd rather sit down and have a conversation with somebody rather than be like have all this stuff lined up because it's like it's nice to walk in and not know what the fuck you're going to talk about. Absolutely. And people are always, they're always trying to prep you and like it will go like this and then he'll say this and then you can take it to that nice anecdote. And then blah la-a-da-da.
42:34 And some of them you're like, I've done that anecdote like 12 times in the last five years. You know what I mean? Like, jeers, all right, I'll wheel that one out again. And it's fine. I get it. It's the way those ones work. And it's also because it's on network. They need to be careful and kind of know what you're going to say.
42:46 but I'm always like I prefer to just shoot the breeze and sort of see what it goes you know what is your favorite thing about growing up in Scotland oh wow I think watching this movie you can see what you like about Scotland and and it captures the essence of what you were describing I grew up in the council estate or the council scheme or the project that the boys come from in this film is different from the one I grew up in a little bit that one in this film is like in the city itself on a hill perched above the city the one that I come from at drum chapel was they took everybody from the slums in the center of the city knock the slums down and they moved like 80,000 people to the edge of the city so what that meant is that you've got this urban
43:31 development for 80 odd thousand people in two schemes with a massive valley and a kind of stream or as we call it a burn that goes through the middle of it um with the two schemes perched on the top of the hill at either side. It was like, like, an epic. And there's like a wood over there, the Bluebell Woods and the Campsie hills, not quite mountains, but the Campsie Hills were like coming out of the trees at the back. And like, not only did it look beautiful and all that, because parts of Drum Chapel weren't beautiful and still aren't, but it's epic. And that's what like my life felt like going out. It's why I shot the Dundee part of this film on anamorphic lenses and I made it quite sort of big country as opposed to starting small and a kind of like social housing scheme.
44:13 And I'd go out my door and I'd just feel like anything could happen. It's like walking out the door in New York. Do you know that feeling when you're like New York and I'm like, I can't this place get energy. It was like that. And yeah, bad stuff happened. Like really bad stuff happened. But there was like flight and peril and chases and the amount of times I got chase and got
44:33 chase and got my ass kicked. Really? But at the same time it's kind of like, it's exciting. And a couple of that with a pretty, I wouldn't say overacted. imagination, but a pretty sort of engaged imagination. The possibilities were endless, you know. And the stories in my head always. One of my favorite things to do is go to bed at the end of the night.
44:53 And I'd be excited to go to bed to kind of, and I'd have to be like, I'd have to choose what it is I wanted to think about. Because like, you're so many things bubbling in your brain. I want to think about this tonight. And you just sit and look at the ceiling and like, think, think, think, think. It makes you wonder what people who grow up who are just worn rich and in these mansions have to dream about. You know what I mean?
45:15 Because I remember growing up and always daydreaming and thinking about where I was going and I didn't come from anything similar to what you came from, but I didn't have what I wanted. I didn't have the life of. But the dreams are born out of a desire
45:26 to be in a different place, right? Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes. And so like if you're born with everything, what do you have to dream about when you lie down at night and you bed? And I loved, don't know, I loved what I grew up, but I did have this dreaming of another place thing huge.
45:40 I was always thinking about, getting away and seeing the world. Not because I'm not proud of where I come from and I didn't think it had good, good things in it. I just, I knew there was this world outside the borders of, of this place that I was sort of like kept in, socially, kind of economically kept in.
45:56 And I wanted to go and visit that. And that's, you know, this career that I've been lucky enough to have is absolutely delivered that dream. Yeah. And this is your first directing job. This is your directorial debut. So this one. Was, did, did you write this film?
46:13 No, no, no, by no means. Two writers, Archie and Elaine, and I worked with them over the course of a couple of years. While we were finding the money, it's this weird thing. You get a script you want to do and you go, oh my God, this is perfect. They can't wait to make it. And then you spend the next two years, like, tinkering with it and changing it a bit. Just tightening, tightening, focusing the story on the elements that are really important. And then by the time we found the money, I'd had two years with the writers just developing.
46:38 And, yeah, and it was off to. casting and finding these young people, like two of whom it was their second jobs. When I, I mean, when I cast Seamus who plays Gavin, it was his first job. Lucy, who's amazing, she's in the Testaments at the moment. They kind of, you know, she's trying to infiltrate Gilead. She, it was her second job. So, like, you're really looking for relative unknowns and relative rookies, you know. So that was a long search.
47:07 And then you're in it, and James Corden is in it, too. The film wouldn't have happened without James Corden. Really? Yeah. We lost some finance at the 11th, like six weeks before we started shooting. And we found a new finance. It was great. But they were like, we need a cameo on it.
47:21 And I'm like, I'm in it. What you thought of it? And they were like, no, we need another one. So there was no role that would interest, I think, an actor of great notes. So we were like frantically scrambling and trying to like augment this scene with a record label exec to make it funnier and bigger and more of like. you know, demonstrative. And I'm going through every fucking actor I've ever met or worked with in my career.
47:44 Calling them for favors. Totally. I was like, I will come over and blow you. You don't want me to do that. So you blew James Gordon. You'll pay me not to do that. Okay. You blew James Corden?
47:57 No, he was charitable. But the list of people who nearly did this role is nuts. But they won't the first person to come in and say, I can do this for you, was James. And so I'm going to be in his TV show that he writes with Ruth Jones, the choir. He wrote Gavin and Stacy with her. Oh yeah. And, um, and, but he put it in his contract. He was like, I'll do this for you. But part of the contract was that I had to agree contractually to come and do it for him one day. So I've just done it. That's cute. Yeah, but so we got James, but if we hadn't got James, that finance here, I don't think they would have given us the money and we wouldn't
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53:04 We're going to talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older, and a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me.
53:24 Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I don't really care. I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast. The True Crime Comedy Podcasts, all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week, I bring on incredible guests like Conan O'Brien, Iowa Debrie, Lamorne Morris, and Nicole By. Ooh, I scammed them.
53:51 What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And the scams run the gamut. I'm talking about scams from the 1800s all the way up to today. I also warn you and keep you safe against scammers. Call your grandparents.
54:09 Tell your parents to stop clicking on links, please. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. If there's a scam, I'm here to protect you. And I'm also here to let you. laugh with you. So if you like fun, if you like comedy and you like learning and protecting yourself from criminals, start listening to Scam Goddess on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. There are thousands of podcasts that can tell you how to better yourself. Get Worse with Kyle Pru is not one of those podcasts. So if you're interested in getting
54:43 thinner, going to therapy, starting peptides, setting boundaries, taking supplements, making your better getting closure, then I would humbly recommend other podcasts. But if you're interested in blackmail love bombing, cloning yourself or getting revenge, then we've got a little something, something for a dastardly individual like you. Take a listen to some of the incredible advice we've given so far. Fake a back injury. Get the spray tan. Up your alcohol consumption.
55:07 Only women should be allowed to have guns. Kill them. Kill them. Kill them for the gun. Listen, it's already over. I'm all about lying if it's something that really happened. The next time a bear is running at you, you just calmly stop what you're doing. You look the bear in the eye and you say this isn't you.
55:23 Do not preserve relationships. You don't need them. You only need one thing, and that's the Get Worse podcast. Listen to Get Worse with Kyle Pruh on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we take some callers for this part of the interview. Is this live? Is this live? Well, I mean, it's a real people.
55:47 But there will be people calling in. There's real people that are live. Wait on your headphones for this first one. is just a read in. Okay, we give advice on this podcast. Yes. Really? Yeah.
55:56 Dr. McAvoy is your new name. Oh, no. And pharmacist handler. I'm a pharmacist, so don't worry about it. I can handle anything that you can't. Got it. Are you?
56:06 I'm a gynecologist. I'm a farm-to-table gynecologist. Are you? No. I will believe anything. Apparently. I said three different things in a row. Doctor, and then I said no.
56:17 Gynecologist, I said no. No, you said farm-to-table gyna. Farm-to-table guy, but think about. What is that? I know. I love it. I'm trying to figure it out. It's part of my table.
56:27 It's, yeah, like you're a gynecologist for cattle? Yeah, I guess. Cattle, grains, beef, meat, meats, meats, meats, loose meats. Loose meats. Lose meat, I know. Coltuts, right, job. Going. Melanie says, dear Chelsea, what are your, quote-unquote,
56:46 professional thoughts on ketamine? Oh. My husband recently went to a bachelor party, tried ketamine, and loved it. He knew I'd get FOMO and brought some home for us to try together. Wow, what thoughtful. Yeah. We have limited experience with drugs besides a little college weed smoking, edibles and mushrooms from my friend's basement once.
57:03 But before I try it, I'm dying to know what our pharmaceutical guru, Chelsea Handler, thinks about ketamine. Thanks, Melanie. Okay, I have a hot ketamine take. I'm assuming you've never done ketamine because you're sober now. Okay, because it's new on the scene. Still do drugs, I'm sure. Well, that's what a lot of sober people do.
57:19 California dries. But it should be given a day. different name assignation than California sober. Because California sober is like old. We need to update that. Maybe it's Scottish sober or something. Because you shouldn't have to not do drugs just because you're not drinking. You know what I mean? There are certain drugs that are not addictive. Like a little weed here or whatever. My thoughts on ketamine. I'm not for ketamine. I don't like dissociative drugs. I don't like when you don't feel like you're in your body. So ketamine, like in a party vibe, a lot of people like it. It's going around. It's all over the place.
57:48 whenever they're somewhere with drugs, there's ketamine. But I am not a fan. So I can only speak from my own experience. I don't like that drug. I don't like the way it makes me feel. It makes me feel like a little dead. And you're not in your body. You're not in your body.
58:03 I like to be like up and out of it. So that's my vibe on ketamine. And James can't really speak to it. Never tried it. Yeah. What do you think about just drugs in general? Like, for this couple. He's Scottish.
58:16 He likes them. I never made any, I never swore off any kind of substances other than alcohol. But I am finding the more and more I'm older, I don't, I'm not looking for an altered state. Because I'm kind of, I'm more and more comfortable in my state. And I think one of the things that not drinking has done is make me realize what the substance of alcohol was taken away. And my ability to enjoy the little things, not the little things that's reductive. but the unexciting things because not everything that's great and fun
58:51 and enjoyable in life is exciting it's not adrenaline-fueled necessarily but because the level of sort of adrenaline I was chasing because I was constantly spiking my adrenaline with a substance it was making the enjoyable stuff that isn't adrenalized really hard to connect with so I was able to like just connect with my life again
59:12 and a bit more so I'm actually a bit scared of fucking with that Yeah, that's a very eloquent way to put it. What a lot of people talk about when they give up alcohol is a similar kind of thought. But the way you put it makes it seem a attractive because that is nice, you know. And it is important because I think a lot of drinking for a lot of people comes out of enwee. You're just in a fucking state of boredom and you don't know what else to do. So you're like, I guess I'll have a drink. I think this is why a lot of people did it in lockdown because it was.
59:40 We were like, this is great. We're also chill, but like also kind of bored. Right. Right. So it's nice to, I like what you said about appreciating like the boring things. Yeah. You know, the non-stimulating things because that is where a lot of the beauty lies. And we skip past that stuff all the time. So that's nice. But so to our person who wrote in, you know, that's just the way I feel about ketamine. But if you want, I mean, there's no harm in trying something. But yeah, it's not my drug. Is it something you can do in a low dose to start? Yeah, you can snort it, I guess. That's what people do. They snort it. All right. I just also snorting something.
01:00:15 just at this stage of my life is not attractive. You know what I mean? The ship is kind of fucking sailed on that. Well, cut to next weekend. I'll be in London at the Churchill Firehouse. Well, Melanie, let us know what you do. Our first caller today, so we are. We need our headphones for this one.
01:00:33 This is Christine. For a James McAvoy's therapy session. My wig is going to get messed up. You just have to act like a therapist. Right, exactly. My wig's good thing. Your wig. Oh, no.
01:00:44 Oh, no, guys. Your wig is still. It's still on? It's a shift. It's still situated. Well, Christine says, dear Chelsea, I'm a 30-year-old female tackling the dating world. I've spent a lot of time traveling 30-plus countries, backpacking, living abroad. That is a huge part of who I am and what I continue to look for in a partner, guy or a girl.
01:01:03 They do not necessarily need to have traveled as extensively, but need to be open to breaking in their passport. I like that guy or a girl. I love how open everyone is. This is awesome. And seeing new places. I've recently been on the dating apps, and I think I'm pretty. open. Recently, I matched with a guy who was great at conversation, curious, asking questions, funny, keen to meet up. But then I mentioned I was house-sitting for a couple while they went to travel
01:01:25 Europe for three weeks, and he asked if they were seeing all of Europe in those three weeks. I immediately got the ick. Maybe it's not common knowledge that seeing Europe will, in fact, take much longer than three weeks. It's huge. He admitted geography wasn't a strength of his, but I was like, where is she going with this? So basically, you don't want somebody to someone. You want somebody who studied geography? You're really good. Go ahead. A geographer, if you will.
01:01:49 It's kind of like a farm-to-table kind of colleges. Farm-to-table, geographer. But I'm not sure if I even want to continue talking anymore. Am I being too petty and picky? Do I need to cool it and just see how it goes in person? Or am I right in wanting to move on from this guy? And I guess this is a general question about Ix as well. I quickly get the ick and try to look past it, but sometimes I just can't.
01:02:11 How do you handle X in the talking stage? Thanks, Christine. Just wait for that silent stage. The ick is real. Hi, Christine. Hi. Hi. This is our special guest.
01:02:23 James McAvoy is here. Hi. Nice to meet you. You too, pal. I think that you're being pretty judgmental. Right out of the gate. I totally get it. Like, I would be icked out by that too.
01:02:33 But like, that's just a little tiny thing. And it was also in, yeah, I think you got to give people a little breathing room. You know, sometimes people act in a way when they, they meet someone that is not representative of who they are and they can communicate in a way it's like a little bit of a nervous tick like I met somebody a couple weekends ago a friend brought a friend somewhere and this woman just was annoying and I was like oh god I wish I didn't find this woman annoying and then once she loosened up she was the fucking coolest woman I've met in a really long time because she just was a little bit weird in the beginning and like you got to remember that
01:03:11 people act differently like I don't believe you're the first impression is the right impression. I don't believe that. People don't act like they normally are the first time you meet them all the time. So I would have a little slack for this guy. But, you know, if it continues on, obviously he's fired. Yeah, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt,
01:03:28 but I feel like, I don't know, when it comes to travel and just assuming like, oh, I don't know, that was just a huge ick for me. And I know listening to your podcast that you got icked by someone who ate salsa. So I was like, I know, I know. But I am a definitely bad role model in that respect because I have no tolerance.
01:03:45 There's whole countries of people that you can't go new. You're preliminarily racist. Well, as a gynecologist, there's not, I can't practice in all these countries anyway. My certification is only valid in certain parts of the world. What did you respond to him when he said that? I mean, we were talking for a bunch of different topics. So I just kind of brushed it off and was like, no, they're going to see a big chunk of it because it takes way longer than three weeks.
01:04:14 It's like, oh, yeah, I didn't know. It was like, okay. But yeah, because maybe he didn't know specifically. You know what I mean? I would just ignore that, continue on and then see when you meet him. There's this thing, James. I don't know if you know about this. There's this thing called the Ick list.
01:04:27 So are you on social media? Do you do all that? Yeah, I've seen you on social media. So, okay. So there's a thing called the iclis. And you know what the ick is, right? Yeah, something that makes you go, oh, I don't like that. Yeah, right.
01:04:38 But girls have it worse than guys have it. We get pretty grossed out by little things. It could be a belt. Yeah, right. It could be a belt. It could be hair extensions. It could be the way you, there's a girl that she runs this page and it's called the Iqlist.
01:04:55 Have you seen this? I have not. It's so fucking funny. These girls write in and they'll tell stories, they'll be like, my boyfriend went to go hail a taxi and just the position of his body was, she was like, don't hail taxis. And one girl was like, oh, my boyfriend got on a stepstool. It's over. but like don't get on stepstools.
01:05:14 So you have to be very careful as a man. You're luckily you're married. So, you know, you're kind of in deeper. Well, I don't like to loving people's fault or loving the imperfections as well
01:05:21 because that's stuff that's on the necklace. Here's the thing that I think, right? Oh, God, I sound like such a prick. No, you know, you haven't said yet.
01:05:28 Here's the thing. Here's the thing that I think about your issue as a young woman and I'm going to tell you about it as online. That's really interesting, isn't it? It is, you know that thing when you meet somebody
01:05:40 and you don't go like, oh my God, they're devastatingly. unattractive, but you kind of go like, you're a person, that's it. And then you spend time and suddenly the level of attractiveness of that person grows exponentially. And that's not that they're physically changed or their pheromones are different. It's just that you're interested in who they are. I feel like the Eccliss is kind of like the personality version of that, where it's like the first thing I saw was a thing I'm not interested in. But you can give room for that
01:06:09 person to reveal all the other things that are just going to make that. shit grow. And then the other thing is as well, if you don't want to have any X, you're basically saying you're looking for the perfect partner. And they're going to be imperfect at some point. And that's going to, so you've got a high threshold for that person to fail or a low threshold for that person to fail, which one? High or low. Anyway, but I guess the imperfect, I like the imperfections or the, the feelings. Well, I mean, that's a nice take, quite honestly, coming from a straight man as well. So it's a real surprise. But I mean, you can't argue with that. It's kind of the nicer way to be. because right, what are we going to get, the perfect man?
01:06:44 We just, we always say that. We're like, yeah, but they don't, you know, but it's like we are asking for the perfect guy. We are going to disappoint you. Yeah, we are going to disappoint you at some point. And it's probably going to be quick and regular, early, and maintained. There you go. It's going to show up early and it's going to be consistent.
01:07:02 Yeah. So he's done you a favor real early. There you go. I got to figure out real early. Okay. Lowering expectations. It's like a keeper all of a sudden. It's smooth sailing from here on out.
01:07:11 That was it All right, well let us know how it goes with him Let's see if you end up going out with him for a few months We want to hear about it Okay, I'll let you know Okay, I might not I think this guy's going to turn up like In like three months' time you're going to transform them
01:07:28 He's going to be on a beach in Sri Lanka with like bongos and dreads You're like, I traveled the world 13 times with three months She said I couldn't do Europe in three weeks She's like, look at me now! There's a new brave heart in town It's geographically different. I also love that you're open to men and women. I just love how open everyone is about their sexuality.
01:07:46 Now, this is the way it fucking should be. You know, like, especially for girls. Like, women don't give a shit. We're just looking for to have a good... It's all about the vibes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, good. I love it.
01:07:57 Okay, keep us posted, please. Thanks, Christine. I will. Thank you so much. I thought you said it's all about the vibe and the least amount of cervix. And I was like, what? You just said you were at your women as well?
01:08:08 I was like, what? She's breaking it out. Somebody said they, I was reading something last night and it was saying, it was talking about all the female parts and it said like, you need to know where your vulva, your cervix. And I was like, I don't. Sorry, you just said vulva and cervix? Ick. That's sexist, James.
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01:15:40 Well, our next caller is Rebecca. And she says, Dear Chelsea, I'm writing in hopes that you can help me find the best way to support my ex during a hard and confusing time. My mother-in-law recently passed away, and prior to her passing, my ex did not have the best relationship with her or the rest of his family. When we found out she was terminally ill, he'd even gone so far as to say he'd see her on the other side. while she was in the hospital, he did wind up seeing her a few days before she passed away. The situation was really tough for me and my children, and I found it very hard to be there for him without trying to force him to communicate with his family. Now that she's passed, it seems that communication with the rest of his family has gone back to non-existent and no services have been planned. I know this bothers him, as many people have asked about services, but when I asked him if his siblings brought it up, he basically says they didn't and brushes off the conversation.
01:16:28 I know it's something he wants, and I don't want to continue pushing him. him to talk to his family, but I want him to feel like he has closure and I don't know the best way to support him. How can he move through the loss of a loved one he'd effectively cut off before her passing? And should I continue to encourage him to connect with his siblings, Rebecca? Hi, Rebecca. Hi. This is our very special guest, James McAvoy's here today. Hello, nice to meet you guys. We needed some testosterone around here. And clearly I'm like a bank of it, do you know what I mean? 47 years of testosterone in one podcast. I think you should probably see yourself out of the situation, Rebecca.
01:17:10 Like, it seems slightly meddlesome. Like, it's your ex. It's his mom. It's his situation. He doesn't want to deal with it. He didn't have a good relationship with it. Like, you can't control that. And you're not even in his life anymore, really.
01:17:25 Well, we do have kids together. So it's also my children's grandmother. Oh, right, right, right. And I know you mentioned also when we had had a pre-interview that they're very close. Like she and her ex are very close. Like you said, almost best friends, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah.
01:17:41 So they're still really in communication. I mean, we share children together and she lived with us for multiple years. And, you know, my kids were very close to her, obviously. So it's more, it's my trying to help him, but also trying to help my kids. same. Right. I'm going to give you a male perspective. Yeah. Go ahead, sperm bank. Let's go. No worries. Here we go. Get ready. I might do some push-ups if that's okay. You don't need to. I mean, we believe you. The situation that you've described is
01:18:12 like he's, he's clearly got stuff going on and issues that have resulted in him not having a great relationship or not choosing to have a, you know, a regular relationship with the rest of his family. and what you're talking about doing is essentially doing is changing him and changing him into somebody who is capable of that and I just don't know I don't think you can change somebody they got to they can't teach somebody something they got to learn it themselves can't change somebody they've got to evolve themselves and you can be there and listen to their troubles and and help ease their troubles but I just don't think you can force change in someone else's character or personality yeah and I think like it's nice that you're his friend. I would say
01:18:57 that you're so close and stuff, but it's like, I'm echoing the same thing that he's saying, like, it's not your role. You can demonstrate what it's like to actively miss and grieve or honor her with your children without, you know, your husband, or you can do that while he's there, so he can see you
01:19:14 doing it. And so that they don't forget her, since she was a part of your life and your children's lives, but you can't like enact what's going to happen for him and repair his brain. So, So it's like I think it would be a better use of your time just to demonstrate what actual honoring somebody who's passed away is rather than trying to enforce it upon him or try to bring him to the table, so to speak. I just think that's futile. And you have kids, so your time is better spent with them anyway, you know?
01:19:45 And let him go through his process. You're not in charge of him. And, you know, even if it was your best friend, which you're saying it is, like even if it was your best and it was a female, like, you can't make somebody do something because of the way you're seeing their situation. You kind of have to, your eyes got very deep there for a second. You seem to, I'm just thinking about what we just said about you can't tell, you can't change somebody. And yet we, you seem to be somebody who thinks you can change somebody, right?
01:20:12 I'm not judging you for that, by the way. And we'll try to change you by telling you you can't do that. We'll try to do it to you or saying don't do to your ex-husband. And so the reason I got deep there, because I was just thinking about like, How would we impart this in a way, is it through telling a story of experience of our own, rather than just saying you shouldn't do this? But you are asking for straight up advice. But I think there are ways you can honor your late mother-in-law in ways that,
01:20:39 and you can do that while he's there. You know, and if he wants to participate, that's great, you know, when there's Christmas or holidays or her birthday or the anniversary of her death. If you want to bring, do something special for the kids, and he can be included in that. But don't, it's almost like, do it, but don't bring him to the table. Let him decide if he wants to participate
01:20:59 or if he wants to take on some role in that. But yeah, it's just, yeah, you can't make people do things. And I don't think we're making her change because she's not adamant about it. She's asking a question. So I think it's a good question too. I get it. Well, and that's where I struggle with him too
01:21:19 because obviously, you know, we raise children together. And I know he doesn't have. handle emotion well. He doesn't handle goodbye well, especially permanent goodbye. But, you know, when it comes to my children and them wanting to understand that their father gets it, that's part of the hard part. But also, you know, I, I lost my father prematurely and we didn't have a good relationship. So even before his mom passed, I tried to tell him multiple times, you need to salvage this relationship because I know what it's like to lose somebody and not have
01:21:59 that contact. And he chose not to listen to me. And that's fine. But it's just the whole spectrum of now he has the opportunity to keep contact with at least his family. And it doesn't seem like he's really choosing to do so. Yeah, but you're projecting your situation onto him. And that's not very either. You lost your dad. That's your set of circumstances. and you're trying to make sure he doesn't repeat what happened to you. It's two different situations. So again, like, you know, I'm saying this gently, but you should stay in your lane with regard to this and just focus on the children. Because those are the people who you can have an impact on. You know what I mean? You're not going to change him. So if you can influence
01:22:45 them, you can have a positive outlook about his mom and their mother, their grandmother, like and your father and however you choose to do that. That's on you. You do it and leave him out of it. That's not your responsibility. He's not your responsibility. Your children are. So, I mean, what would your advice be as far as his siblings?
01:23:04 Because now, you know, I know he does want the family to have like some kind of service for his mother, but he's also not pushing it. It's like it's more of a they're not saying anything, so I'm not going to say anything. But I know he wants it. I just, I know, but he's not your kid. He's not, it's not your dominion. Like, I know it feels like this because you have history with him and it's your, the father of your kids.
01:23:31 But this isn't your responsibility. Like, you have to step back. That's an action too. And who knows what will happen without you trying to make things happen. There's a weird thing that happens sometimes, isn't it? When you're really hurt or you're really sick. you do need to go to the doctor. And somebody goes like, you've got to get to the doctor.
01:23:53 And you mean, the logic of that is so apparent. And it immediately makes me want to go like, I need to do the opposite of what you're saying. I will not be told to go to the doctor. Yeah. And sometimes it's like that with advice. Sometimes it's like that with advice as well. Everybody's telling you what you got to do.
01:24:08 You've got to leave this person. You've got to leave this woman. You've got to leave that man. You've got to leave this time. You've got to get out of this business. And it makes you entrench. Yeah. So weird.
01:24:18 Yeah. So especially if you guys have. have this dynamic, I would really focus on separating yourself from his behavioral patterns and his actions. I really think that your time would be better spent, just kind of demonstrating what you want for him by doing it yourself. And that's not arranging a funeral and that's not arranging how he communicates with his siblings. You can still have a relationship with all those people and with your kids independently, but you're not going to be controlling his relationship. And that's not your responsibility. It's just not. I know you're trying to be a good person.
01:24:50 But like it's not really about that sometimes meddling in other people's stuff It builds a resentment and you can get like a result that's unwanted So I would just really just focus on like the positive vibes and honoring her in your own way and without interfering in the way he's processing it Okay, yeah, no, I hear what you're saying and you're right okay I have a history of doing that with him and yeah You're absolutely right right I need to just just step back. It's going to be good for you too. Yeah, also means the pressure is off of you. Yeah, you don't, like a fixer, somebody who wants to go in and fix all the time sometimes isn't always doing, I've been there. I get it. I get it. I totally can relate to you. So, no shame, but step back
01:25:37 of it, I would say. Yeah. Okay, Rebecca, thank you though for calling and for being so thoughtful. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you guys so much. Absolutely. Take care. Have a great day. Take care. Bye. Bye. Bye. I feel in dangerous territory right here. Because you're so masculine? I might need you bust out 20 push-ups in a second. I told you you didn't have to do any push-ups today, James. We believe that you're a man.
01:26:02 Thanks. But not just like offering advice to complete strangers. I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy. It's good. It's kind of serious. What fuck do I think I am? Well, it's not about who you think you are. Don't you think sometimes when you need advice in a situation,
01:26:16 the best person to ask is the person who has no skin in the game? Sometimes a stranger just give you good advice. That's what we're doing here. Yeah, that's true actually. It's just, it's not like I have a degree. I mean, even though you believe I have all sorts of degrees now, you can take these off. I think you could, I think you could be any kind of professional and any medical. I love it.
01:26:33 I love your faith in me. James' new movie is called California Schemean and it's now in select theaters and it's going to be out everywhere tomorrow. So make sure that you watch it, people. Thank you. Thanks, James McIvoeur. This was delightful. Gorgeous talking.
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