Dear Chelsea - Vicky Christina Madelyn Cline

Episode Date: August 6, 2026

Madelyn Cline joins Chelsea to discuss the final season of her hit show Outer Banks, the perils of layering sunblock and deet, and the benefits of dating a finance guy. Then: A listener may need to be a little meaner when turning down dates.  A husband’s Youtube fave triggers his wife’s ED.   And a 27-year-old with teenage daughters wonders when she gets to have a life.   * Need some advice from Chelsea? Email us at [e-mail] * Executive Producer Catherine Law Edited & Engineered by Brad Dickert * * * The views and opinions expressed are solely those of the Podcast author, or individuals participating in the Podcast, and do not represent the opinions of iHeartMedia or its employees.  This Podcast should not be used as medical advice, mental health advice, mental health counseling or therapy, or as imparting any health care recommendations at all.  Individuals are advised to seek independent medical, counseling advice and/or therapy from a competent health care professional with respect to any medical condition, mental health issues, health inquiry or matter, including matters discussed on this Podcast. Guests and listeners should not rely on matters discussed in the Podcast and shall not act or shall refrain from acting based on information contained in the Podcast without first seeking independent medical advice.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And Yamanika is here to tell whoever's responsible, you're the problem. Do you know I just found out who Sidney Sweeney was? If he got a bunch of women, then I should have a bunch of men. Do better or do less so I don't have to do so much. I'm Yamanika, and I'm out. Listen to You're the Problem with Yamanika on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay, guys, here are my dates for the High and Mighty Tour. In August, you can find me in Red Bank, New Jersey, Montclair, New Jersey, and Calgary.

That's Canada. And September, I will be in Santa Barbara, San Diego, New York City, Philly, and New Haven, Connecticut. October is Atlanta, Baltimore, Saginaw. Michigan, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Boise, Idaho, and Spokane. And then in November, I'll be in San Francisco. I'm coming to Salt Lake City, Austin, Houston, Dallas, babies, I'll be there. And then in December, I am closing out my tour in Denver and Vancouver. So get your tickets at Chelseahandler.com for the high and mighty tour. Hello, Catherine. Hi, Chelsea. Are you fluent in Spanish yet? I am doing pretty well. I mean, my driver in New York.

named Rafa and he speaks Spanish and he cannot believe how much I've improved in two weeks. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, he didn't know I went to school in Spain. So I told him in Spanish and he was like, and then he's like, oh my God, I'm not going to be able to correct you anymore. And I'm like, oh, don't worry. You'll find a fucking way. And then, of course, within it. But, yeah, he was really impressed and also a couple of people I work with where I was talking Spanish with. So I definitely understand a lot more and I know a lot more. I'm not fluent, but I am definitely way better than I was when I got there. So that's exciting. I noticed you've been improving with your like low and lot, like the, I think it's the possessive stuff. I mean, you're crushing it. I just, I loved my time

alone. It felt like I was a mother away from her children, even though I don't have children. I just walked to school every day by myself with my little rucksack. And then, I mean, I don't have a rucksack, but I just wanted to throw that out there. We can call it that. Yeah. And then I already had like a group of doctors by day three. I was getting a massage. And then I was like, oh, I need to get this kind of dry needling. They had this. Madrid is such a beautiful city. So many of my friends were coming through Madrid, unbeknownst to me. So that was a surprise. I'd go to school for three hours. My teacher, only, my professora, only spoke Spanish. And then after that, I would take myself to some ridiculously delightful lunch, have like two glasses of wine, and then I'd walk through the streets of Madrid.

It was heaven on earth. How lovely. You're just like fill your life with whimsy. That's, I just loved it. I just was so happy. Everyone at the hotel was like, they kept testing me on my Spanish day three, day four. And I was like, Eloise at the plaza. I just was like, I was just so happy. I love, I just belong in a hotel. I agree with that. How did your blind date go, by the way? Did that material? I don't think I went on a blind date. No, I was set up with people like friends, not like in a romantic way. No, I didn't even think about men, honestly. There was one guy that was trying to hit on me once. I was in the bar at my restaurant. And I was like, is this guy hitting? And he was, I mean, he must have been 20 years old. And he was like seriously trying to strike. And I was like,

I was like, at one point I wanted to go, I meant to say like, not seigneur, but whatever the other word for it is in Spanish, but I couldn't think of what it was. I was about to call him like, boy. And then I'm like, don't call him boy. That's not right either. But I wanted to be like, I could be your mother. Get away from me. I'm not interested in that. I like young boys.

I mean, I like young men. I don't like young boys. You know what I mean? Like, it's got to be something like in the appropriate age range. I'm not interested. Anyway, I'm home now. I'm in New York City, and we have a great episode today. You know this actress. She was adorable from Glass Onion, Stranger Things, and her hit series, which is now in its final season, Outer Banks. Please welcome Madeline Klein. Oh, my God. We have Madeline Klein here today. Hi, cutie, patootie, fresh and fruity. What were you talking about? You're talking about snowboarding? Yeah, so I, so we were talking about how wakeboarding makes you feel like you can absolutely snowboard. Because, it's kind of the same thing. Yes, I understand this.

Yes. I had a very easy time wake surfing the very first time I did it. I think I got up on the first time. I did too. Have you been water skiing? No. Okay, that's much more hard. That's much more difficult.

Especially when they do it on like the one ski. Yeah, I can't do that. That's insane. I can't water ski, period. And I can snow ski really well, but I can't water ski. I just know I would wipe out and like break every bone in my face. It feels like if one of your legs goes in the wrong direction, all hell breaks loose.

Oh, you're cooked. And it does. It does. It's not pretty when you wipe out. No. So, like, I went snowboarding for my birthday in 2021, I think. And I like the way you said 21. 21. 2021. Very phonetic. Thank you. That's its Christian name. I'm trying to enunciate more because a lot of times I just, I've been on, like, red carpet interviews. And I go back and I rewatch it. And I'm like, I just.

sound so drunk and then I'll like look at the comments and they're like oh our girl's gone and I'm like I really wasn't maybe had a glass or two before but wasn't that gone sometimes I'll record a stand-up set that I'm doing and I always have a drink before I go on stage obviously and I yeah of course and I then I look and then I'll watch it and thinking I'm like I'll be like oh clip that for socials to my social team and then they'll send it to me and I'm like oh my I'm like look for this area when I'm talking about this and I'm like, my God. But there's just like a seam hammer. Yeah, because if I don't have a drink, I talk too fast.

I talk like this. I have to take it down. Yeah, if I don't have a drink or beta blocker both. Right, or a beta blocker. I take beta blockers as well. I get so scared and so anxious and I'm like, and then I'm like, what I'm saying is so stupid. And then I just.

To be fair, some of those questions are stupid. They are. Like a red parapet, like, I know. Like, who are you wearing? That's the first stupid question. I know, I hate that. It's like, why do we have to talk about that? Who cares?

I mean, well, I mean, some people, the designer does care. The designer cares. So that's for their, but like, sometimes it's just not, I don't know, it doesn't always feel like an appropriate question. No, because it's like, the designer obviously does care, but like for the majority of the people watching, I don't think it's really like the most relevant thing. And also, when we post it, you give credit to who. you're wearing anyway. So it's just a silly conversation to have. I agree with you. It's also a really

weird opener. Yes, who are you wearing? And then you're like, Vera Wang. It's my wedding. Obviously, I'm wearing Vera Wang. I've been married multiple times. Oh my God. Yeah, seven. No, I've never been married. Oh. And I will never be married. I think that's chic. I know. I think it would be cute to get engaged. Yeah. And just stay engaged and keep having engagement parties. I'm just like, just give me the fucking ring. Do you need the ring from some man? I mean, can't you buy your own ring? Yeah, but I don't really feel like paying for it if he will.

Right, okay, copy that. You know what I mean? Then I can go spend my money on something that I want. Like another ring. You've never been married. You're too young to be married. No, I've never been married. How old are you?

28. 28, okay. That's not too young to be married. The other day, someone asked me my age, and I was like, 26 or 27. Like one. Wait, so one. I don't know. Did you forget or you just, oh, you did.

Genuinely forgot. And I'm not even, I'm neither 26 nor my 27. I'm actually 28. 28. But I actually forgot and I had to go and do the math because I just. How did you do the math? You went and figured out the year. You went back to the year.

You were born and counted backwards. 7, 8, and 9 went 100. I just genuinely stopped caring, I think, about which birthday it was after 25th. Yeah, well, you'll care again at 30 and then 35 and then 40. I'm excited about 30. It's going to get better and better and better. So you have nothing to worry about. Life gets better as a woman.

The more experience you have being a woman, the better it gets. The closer I get to 30 is I can feel my cortisol. dropping. It's awesome. I'm like, okay, great, I'm getting less stressed. That's a good ad for something. Making, for a beta blocker, I really, I really need to like, I need to invent something. I need to invent a brand. Maybe I can do something. Maybe that's my ad. Yeah, yeah. That's a good tagline for whatever your ad is. The closer I get to 30, I can feel the cortisol dropping. Yeah, so I'm like, well, then I wonder how 30s are going to, I'm going to have zero cortisol at all. That's a, thing like as you age, you kind of like care less about what other people think you become more

of yourself. And I think there's, you have to take an active role in that a little bit too, but I think it also just happens as you age. So are you a millennial or no, you're not a millennial. You're Gen Z. I'm like a millennial Gen Z cusp. Cusp. Yeah.

So, but I feel like I am technically Gen Z, but I feel like sometimes I do millennial things, like the millennial pause that everyone like flames millennials for doing. Like when you go on cameo and you get a cameo from a little. like Jacks Taylor and he's like you can tell he like not that you've done that no I haven't but I've seen someone else's and and he like is recording and it's like literally three seconds where he's just waiting for it to start oh that I have I have done that it's embarrassing I did get a cameo from Boston Rob I've never gotten a cameo for someone yeah but people seem to like that as a gift it's It's really funny, I think, as a gag gift.

Yeah. Absolutely. Not as a serious gift. No, like an ironic. Yeah, because usually the people who are giving, providing the cameos are, you know, they're... It's the Jacks Taylor's of the world. Yeah, yeah. I mean, no, it's...

That's not going to sound good. However, I try to clean up. So, never mind. I'll just skip it. Rot and hail. Anyway, sign up for cameo, everybody. Get a cameo. Yeah, get a cameo account or order one.

Maybe we could do a one for someone together. and me. I would love to do that. You can do one for Boston Rob. We should. We should create the next level of cameo. This is for more legitimate people. I was like Ryan for cameoes. Yeah, riot for cameos, exactly. What is your like biggest dating deal breaker? I feel like sometimes when you're in a relationship with someone, especially when it's new, I'm like, I'm always like, I feel like I'm being pranked because there's like you hit like a certain month mark and all of a then they start being mean. Or they start being real.

Right. You start to see them. Like the real. What do you think that month mark is? How many months? I feel like it's like, it's always been kind of like three for me. Yeah. If I even make it that far, like, because I feel like I'm always away, like on working.

So I feel like it usually expedites that process. Yes. Well, I feel like it's kind of similarly, I also date like a lot of long distance people. So it takes a longer. to get to that three-month mark. So it usually happens around the five or six-month mark. True. Where you start to see more than you saw in the beginning.

Totally. Where it's not all sunshine and roses. Yes. What is something that somebody would have to do to ick you out in a dating scenario? The problem is, like, I get the icks so easily. Me too. We're women. I'm like...

What's the littlest thing you've gotten an ick from? I like, like mouth breathing, like close your mouth. Yeah. I don't like when a man says they're going to go take care or something and then they come back empty-handed. I don't like that either. Like, even if it's just like if we're out of function and we can't find the bar and I'm like, okay, you need to go get us the drinks.

That's very true. And they're like, I couldn't get it. And it's like, no, no, that's not an option. Use your brain. You have to, can't come back empty handed. It doesn't have to be only alcohol focused either. I just want to make this clear. I don't know.

It has to be task focused. If you're getting me something, get the job done and don't come back until you've got it done. Because like I would never, if you needed something and I said I was going to get it, I would come back with it. Or just like, okay, so this maybe wasn't like a relationship thing, but like on the same note is like when people don't like use like their brain or common sense to like solve a problem. Right. Like I was on a trip one time and the person I was on the trip with like we were our like our tickets to like this one. Our tickets are the QR code was not scanning and then like they just stood there. And I was like, go.

go to the ticket. Right, go talk to someone. They were like, I just don't know what to do. And I'm like, so I had to sprint to the offices, like, try to like express what was going on. The boat was about to leave. And it was just like, it's just I don't like feeling like I have to do everything. I think women in general are feeling this malaise. We are exhausted.

I'm exhausted. By being so efficient. Yes. Like what I get done in the first two hours of my day would rival. what any man I've ever dated gets done in the first two hours of the whole day. So productive. Yeah. So, like, and I mean, I...

Efficient, though. Yeah. Not only productive, efficient. Multitasking. Okay, there's 18 emails. I'll get them all taken care of before I get going. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

And so, like, when you, like, I once dated a guy who didn't answer emails. He didn't look at emails. And I was like, what do you mean you don't look at emails? You're a professional. He's like, I only operate through texts. I respond better. or two texts. Actually, no, I take it back. I'm really bad at text. I'm phone call. Like, pick up the phone on top? I'm curious about people who are bad at texting. Because that is, like,

the most immediate, like, way to communicate. And it's coming up on your phone, right? Yeah, it's coming up on my phone. And the thing is, I am so, like, there are so many things happening at one time that, that, like, I see it. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to respond to that. So I don't open it. And then by the end of the, by the time, I have, like, a chance. chance or remember to look. There's like 10 more. I see. And I get so overwhelmed. Okay. And so I end up usually like calling. But you just said you don't like phone calls. No, I don't even. I do. Oh, you do like phone calls. I prefer because I feel like that is, I don't know, my thumbs get tired. I like that. A phone call, like to respond to a text. I think

that's very respectful. That is nice. I mean, you can't ever get mad at a phone call unless you're me and you do get mad at phone calls, but I've actually warmed up to phone calls. I don't like a surprise FaceTime. Like, I don't like a, I need you to like preliminarily discuss that with me or give me a heads up. Like, I'm going to, and the people who FaceTime me are wackadoos. Like, I'm like, I'm not just answering a random FaceTime, but I've grown, like, I've kind of gotten more okay with FaceTime.

I don't like the act of sitting there and holding a phone for that long. You know, that's, that's annoying. Right. So like when you're talking the phone, you can put an air pod in and walk through the airport. Like I'm not going to walk through the airport on a face. Again, efficiency. You got shit to do. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

I want to be on the phone and also doing me doing other things. Yeah, that's fair. I understand that. I just feel like I always feel like I'm able to convey information much more, much clearer much more clearly if it is me just my stream of, in my stream of consciousness. I'm like, okay. And oh, and this thought and that thought. And I feel like sometimes over email or text, I can't quite do that as well. Yeah.

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Well, I thought he was going to write. I thought you were all going to write a song for you. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia. Ayo rewatch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast, Hollywood Handbook.

Every episode we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers. The show is famously super accessible so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes and understand what's going on. We recommend some of our recent episodes with Ben Stiller. The definition of what is a movie has kind of changed anywhere too, right? What do you think it is now? It's images and words being spoken, captured by some sort of, uh, technology. Danny McBride.

He loves Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own. That's great. I call him Terro Reed. It's a good name. They're all named after cast members

of American Pie. Yeah. I call, I don't, I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobiesky. Yeah, I don't think she was an American Pie, but I still like that. Haven't looked it up.

She was prominent around the same time. Yeah. Then Mary Steenbergin. Why are you guys talking to me? I'm worried. Why are you talking so down to me that you think I don't understand your little play game? I just really, I get it. I'm trying to set you up for success here.

Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you have like a group of girlfriends or are you like a best friend kind of girl? Like what's your? I have a group, so it's, I wouldn't say it's like a girl group, but I guess it's just a bunch of people. Have you ever had a really bad friendship? breakup? Yeah, I've had a couple. Really? Yeah. And how do you handle that? It's really gnarly. It's gnarly for anyone. I was at, I say this, I was at dinner with a girlfriend last night and we were talking about it. We had the same breakup with the same girlfriend and we didn't know. Oh. And so she, and so then we went to dinner when we found out. And we just sat there and like,

and I was like, God, I feel great. Feels so much. Was it like for the same reason? Yes. So that was like very because it was like we both, it was both unveiled that the same person did the same thing. And I already knew that because I've been around this town. I know a lot of the same. We know. But it was very, it felt like we were little girls in a sense

because, you know, I'm a child with you, obviously. And I, you kind of want to get out of the habit of like gossip, but it didn't feel like gossip. It felt like therapy. Right. It felt, I felt being seen and validated. Like, oh, I was exactly right in what I, deduced, but it took me so much longer than it took her to figure out what was going on.

Right. Because I was English. It's not gossip if you're just spreading awareness. That's a great line too. That's for your other brand. It's not gossip if you're spreading awareness. Or my driver the other day said to me, it's not gossip. Because I said the same thing about this conversation to him.

I go, it was like a, he said it's not gossip if it's information. That's a thing. And that's actually, because there is. a way, there is a way where you can get with your friends, whether they're your guy friends, girlfriends, whatever, where it can be nasty and you're talking about someone. It can be malicious. Yes. That is, that to me like is toxic and bad, bad. And a bad habit to get into on the regular. Absolutely. Like, there's no reason to say nasty things about people. If there is something that needs to be conveyed, then if you're just telling the truth,

then like if they get mad at it then they shouldn't have done it. Mm-hmm. But I lost your train of thought. Yeah, I did. Well, luckily we're on the phone and not texting so I can pick up the conversation for you. Thank you so much.

We're in person. But I do. I think that's a good way to, because there is a way to do something meanly and then there is a way to just send somebody a warning like, hey, just so you know, I know that person and this is how that goes. And sometimes people are on the exact same page as you

and you can just know they are. Yeah, and you know that they're also not saying anything in, like, to paint anyone in a bad light. So when you do have, like, a friendship breakup or any, like, experience that you've had, how do you handle that situation? Honestly, I feel like sometimes they're worse, if not the, for me, they, I think both times were worse than an actual relationship breakup. Like, that is the worst thing ever. And because it's, you know why? Because it's like there's a sisterhood. Yeah.

And that betrayal is more unexpected than a betrayal from a guy. Totally. And with friendship breakups, I don't know. I think I just like have to fully like completely remove myself. But do you do you let the person know like this relationship is over or do you ghost them? I've not ghosted in this in this particular instance with a friendship breakup. But like I also It's happened two times

The first time was something I fucked up And I did something bad And I spoke to her and I was like I'm really sorry And I did something really bad And if you can't forgive me I would totally appreciate it But I also understand if you won't

And I'm sorry And the other time it happened where it was done to me And I have it's like it's not ghosting but I'm trying to figure out how to have, like, the conversation. I see. Right. You know, because it's like, it's just as painful. Well, I think that's something you learn too.

You get better at as you age. I think you get better at, like, breakups all across the board because you just realize that's kind of part of life and your expectations not fade as you get older, but your expectations just aren't where they are when you're, like, idealizing things. Yeah. Like when you meet a guy when you're. in your 20s, it's a different expectation and romanticizing of a relationship than it is if you're a, you meet, you meet someone at my age. Like, you're like, oh, that'll be a fun fling for a few months.

Or like, oh, this guy will be fun. Let's see what he's got. You know, there's like an adventurous spirit, but it's not like I'm tying myself to the end result of it. Sure. So congratulations, first of all. This is season five of Outer Banks. We're done. The final season. How does that make you feel? I'm really, really proud of everyone. And I mean, it's crazy that we have. We have. We have. We're done. We're had a show that went for five seasons because that's impressive. Right. And I'm also, I'm happy. Like, you know, it's time to close the book.

And I think it's bittersweet, but I think everybody knows and everybody is like appreciative of how and when we've decided to cut it off. We've told all the story and they made me pregnant. You know that's when a show's done. I like the idea they made you pregnant. I like that sentence. They made me pregnant. Like a group of men did it.

Yeah, that would be problematic real great. Yeah, that would be problematic real quick. It definitely was not my favorite character development. It wasn't. You weren't happy about that? I was like, I don't want to wear the belt. Like, I don't want to wear those heavy, like, in the South Carolina summer heat where the heat index gets like 110.

Yeah, when I was watching that show, I was. just thinking to myself in my sinister well cynical way cynical way I was like and tell me if this is true because I've never felt filmed anything in that climate but to be on an island seems like a nice idea but the filming aspect is probably not that nice being in the sun all fucking day long yeah it is it I mean when we were in Barbados it was like I don't know it was both at the same it was so beautiful and so I mean a lot of lot of our locations are stunning. And so windy sometimes.

We have to re-record sound for all of those scenes. That's all I was thinking. There was so much wind in some of the scenes that I'm like, how can they even hear each other on a set? Because usually you have to stop down for wind. I know, especially when we're having like a really like intense scene and conversation and like maybe my my psychotic brother comes into the scene and then everyone's like yelling at each other.

And then like, I don't know, dad's dying and it's just like your hands. hairs in your face. It's like it feels it starts to feel very like Scooby-Doo as like it becomes a little like silly. It's like okay like what what else? I like the way that you handled people's responses to your growing over the course of five years or five seasons like your body, your face the way you look and I liked your response to that as like yeah because I'm getting older and like things have changed. I'm having experiences. different yeah I'm eating different things I have been through breakups I've been through all of those things like you have changed as a person over the course of five years of course you're going to

start to look different after five years totally or like you go through breakups or like you find like comfort in food or like I don't know right like we're always changing yeah or like drinking sometimes or like unhealthy habits or you're not going to the gym or I don't know you're on your period like it's just but it's always like insane like people's to me people's fascination with especially women's bodies. And like, I mean, thanks. But like, also shut the fuck up. Have you made your piece with that?

Like how, like being the subject of sort of this endless online fascination. I've made my peace with it. I've also like I also just accept that, you know, my body, like, my body reflects what, whatever is going on with me. And so I understand that sometimes it's going to change. And it's also like carried me through everything that I've been through. And I'm like healthy and alive because of it. So I also, you know, like if people can make comments about it, I don't care.

Yeah. I mean, I mean just in like being even like say we just take this podcast. Like there, I will see comments as like, oh my God, look at all her plastic surgery. And I'm like, first of all, I was hung over that day. You know what I mean? Like, my face can be literally like twice the size that it is. Some days I have cheekbones. Some days I don't.

My face is the first place it shows. I mean, it's like, are you, I'm a woman. I look completely different every single day. Like people, it's the lighting. It's what you ate, what you eat. It's like, all those little shifts. I know. For two episodes, I looked orange and I'm like, why am I so orange?

And then we realized the lights are orange that are coming down. We were like, oh, there's a stream of lights. We literally, I was like, is it the curtains that are orange that are, refracting off of me or I'm refracting off of? I know. But it's so ridiculous that you don't understand that people look like, I mean, when I was on, when I had a talk show, it was every single day and I could look vastly different day to day. You know what I mean?

I don't think people quite understand that all of the stuff is not reflective also of how you look in real life. Like all of the camera stuff adds stuff. Oh, and also the camera, like the way it magnifies like any and everything it possibly can't. And that's how, like, when we were shooting, I mean, seven years of Outer Banks and I've been through so much. But, like, from season to season, I look so different. And it's reflective of, like, what I was going through. And, like, and that's okay. But people would make comments about it.

And at first it bummed me out. But I'm like, yeah, you have to let it go. But also, they're making us, like, we were, we would have to wear, like, crazy, like, fake tans. And then, you know, lots of, like, dirt makeup and silicone. and silicone belly. And also, like, I wasn't allowed to wear mascara. And there was no, there was nothing, they didn't want anything to make us look, like, no concealer.

They didn't want any, like, pretty makeup. Because why? They wanted us to look super natural and sweaty and dirty. And so, like, so automatically it's like, well, they're not setting us up for success for people to make nice comments about the way we look. Right. Right. We were already at a disadvantage. I have always wondered this. When you're out in the sun all day and you're on set, like what is the sunblock situation? Are there people slathering you? Like, how was that working? I mean, there's spray. Obviously, like, the spray sunscreen was king because, and then we would put, like, SBF foundation on, but it was so hot. We would just sweat it off. Yeah. So it just respraying. But also the bug situation was so. bad. So when we were laying our,

clearing ourselves with spray, sunscreen, and deed. And we all smelled so bad. I know, that deep stuff smells so bad. Oh, it's insane. It's like, I think I would rather be fried by the sun. Well, I don't know. The bugs, I'm trying to think which element is more annoying.

Because the bugs are so annoying. They're so bad. But then the sun can kill you. The bugs can't really kill you. I mean, they could if they're carrying malaria. I don't know. The bugs in South Carolina are kind of like, They're kind of metal as fuck.

They're middle as fuck? No, metal. Metal. I was like, is that a phrase? I don't know about? Middle. I'm like, middle. So you've dated a lot of people.

You've dated a DJ. You've dated an actor. You've dated a musician. Have you dated a comedian? Sure. Yeah. So is there anyone that you would never date again, any type of career that you would never date again?

Or is there a career choice out there of somebody you wouldn't date? Like, would you date a finance guy? I don't know. I don't think I would. I don't think I could. Unless they were bringing like huge amounts of cash to the table. Yeah, okay. Actually, maybe, yeah, maybe so.

I wouldn't say like never again to any of them, but I do think, you know, after a while I was like, maybe like, maybe this industry is a little gnarly for dating. Sure. Like maybe I should look elsewhere. So I, you know, maybe that lends itself to a finance guy, but probably not. Or just somebody that's not in the business. The reason why everyone in the business dates, other people in the business is obviously because of proximity.

Like, those are the people you meet and those are the people you're around the most. That's why I feel like it's so important to have a real life, you know, like outside of work so that you can meet real people and normal people. But then it's really hard for those normal people to kind of assimilate to the lifestyle because the lifestyle is not like movable or manageable. It's like, if you have shoot dates, like those are non-negotiable. You don't know how long you're going to work each day. And there's no room for like...

That's the thing. I have also dated people who weren't in the industry in an effort to fix that problem, but that was the problem. Or fix the problem of dating in the industry. Yeah. And then I got annoyed because I felt like I was having to explain everything. How work goes. I'm like, this is just my job. And also this is my life.

Yeah, I had a similar situation where I recorded a podcast. This is a guy dated a couple of years ago. I recorded a podcast. It was before I had met him and I was just talking about how great it is to be single. And they held the podcast for a couple months. And then the podcast came out after he and I had gone public. And he couldn't wrap his head around the fact that I had recorded a podcast. It was old.

And he's like, why would you talk about having sex with guys? And I was like, because that's what I was doing before I met you. And he couldn't wrap his head around the fact that the podcast had been recorded months ago and they just released it. Like, he thought it was live. So that also happened to me one time where I, like, made comments before, like, you know, we had, you know, become official. And then in the timing of the release of those comments was really bad, like really gnarly for him. But I, like, I explained, I explained everything. But, you know, just, it still felt like he was still just not happy.

I'm like, I don't, I'm sorry. Are you someone that looks to, like, do you think about yourself in the future? Do you think about being married? Do you think about having children? Is that something you care about? I do. I think it's, you know, I think they're all fun things to think about. But the idea of childbirth really terrifies me.

Really? Yeah, because I was only like, only last year did I. I learn really gnarly details about childbirth. Yeah, childbirth seems like something that the less you know about it going in, they're better. Well, there's a girl on TikTok who has a list. So when women go on to TikTok and tell their birthing stories and she gets really specific, it cuts to this girl writing down a list and there's like 300 reasons she has so far of why not she doesn't want to have a baby. So I like to think about all these things, but like we were saying earlier, I mean, I'm just like marriage, sure, but just give me the ring.

Yeah, you said that now twice that you want the ring. So hopefully it's because it's sparkly. Yeah, I get it. I get it. I understand people want rings and jewelry. Girls like jewelry. I love jewelry. Get Bell, Pure Fiber Internet with Crave Netflix and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.com for details and to check availability. Bell. Connection is everything. What's up, fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers.

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by some sort of technology. Danny McBride. He loves over. Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own. That's great. I call him Terro Reed. It's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie. Yeah. I call, I don't,

I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachy Sobiesky. Yeah, I don't think she was an American Pie, but I Haven't looked it up. She was prominent around the same time. Then Mary Steenbergin. Why are you guys talking to me? I'm worried.

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which I hear all the time from everyone, which I've also felt. Do you feel that way still? I do. I feel like I'm getting a lot more comfortable in my skin, but I do still feel like I just went and shot a movie with Judd Apatow. Oh, yeah? How was that?

It was the best time I have truly ever had shooting. That's nice. It was really fun, but it's the first time I've legitimately done comedy. And I've always wanted to. But I was just, once we were in prep and once we were getting scripts, I was like, oh, my God, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm not funny.

Like, just like, I don't, I don't think I'm, maybe, are they sure they've got the right girl? And then, you know, also I was playing a singer. And then, so with that also came a lot of movement and vocal training, which was very cool. But I was so afraid that on the day I was going to walk on and just, like, be a fraud. Right. So, yes, I still get it badly. But then, like, once we started getting into our flow state, then it went away. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the singing part is scary, too, to have to sing. Because are you a natural singer? No. Eric Vitro did some, like, miracle work on me. Yeah. Yeah. I think you can get almost anybody to be able to, like, at least hold a tune.

Yeah, carry a tune. See, I can't even refer. I don't even have the lingo down. I think I feel like I've said that too. Hold a tune. Are we both wrong? I think so. I think it's carry a tune.

But I mean, it's the same idea. It doesn't really matter. It's semantics. Is there anything that you're like, you know, talking about trying to comedy for the first time. Is there anything that you are, you want to do in the future, but you are scared to do? I think, I think comedy I was really scared of because it's hard. It's not like, you can't just make something funny. Like, you, it either is or it isn't. And it's also, I think in a comedy movie, like, all four wheels have to be hitting the ground. Everyone has to be, like, kind of throwing

their fastball. And so that was really scary. But I would like, but I would like, love to do more. We had the best time. I would love to do action. We do a lot of action on Outer Banks. I think that's fun. What do you like about that? Because it kind of makes me feel a little badass.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think it'd be really fun to do more. And I think comedy is also really closely related to horror and like camp horror, which I think is really sick. Yeah. What did you grow up watching? I grew, so actually I wasn't allowed to watch horror growing up, but the very first horror movie I did see, which is actually a comedy, were the scary movies. Okay, yeah.

Those are hard to miss. Yeah. There's another one that just came out. Yeah. And then I think like, oh, and then the first real horror movie I watched, I think was insidious, too. I don't know if I saw that. Oh, yeah. I'm not into horror.

Those are good ones. I'm not into horror as much. Yeah. Have you done any horror? I did. I know what you did last summer. That was like Slasher. What's the difference between Slasher and horror?

Like Slasher, Slashor horrors, like, there's a deranged serial killer on the loose who's going to get you. And it's probably like your ex-boyfriend's uncle for some reason. Right. And he was like- So it's very heightened even more than horror, like Slashor. Like, right? This horror is going to like really scare. you where it's like slasher is like a rump with scary themes. Yes.

And that's what we did, which was really fun. I enjoyed that very much. My favorite thing, too, is like when you're, when we were making a horror movie and like something in the take would go wrong or the timing would go off, it would immediately turn it into Scooby-Doo and like really funny. Like where, you know, you're running, they're running down the hallways and they miss each other. And it's, it was really funny because I was like, oh, wait, this could so easily become

hilarious. It just, which I guess is what they like do in a scary movie, but. What about lying? Are you good at lying? I'm a terrible liar. You are? I'm a terrible liar. It's an actor. You're a bad liar? Yeah. Isn't acting just lying? But the thing is like when I'm when I'm lying, I don't believe myself. But when I'm acting, I'm like, I have to believe what's coming out of my mouth or I just will start over. How did you discover that you were bad at lying? I think it was pretty early on. I specifically remember my mom one time asking me if I had done my reading for the day, like my 20-minute reading for school.

And she was like, when did you finish? And I was like, I was also really young too. I wasn't this stupid. But I said at 3.72. That is stupid. That's funny. I feel like I was a good lie. but I'm sure I probably wasn't.

I don't like to lie just because my lies would turn into these volcanic eruptions. Like I wouldn't just tell a lie. I would like double mouth the lie and then they were like three other people involved and like the things that people could easily check and then just like basically implicate other people. Like I would basically implicate people that weren't involved in it at all. So you're basically dragging everyone down with you. And my friends would be like, why didn't you just say like you're not in the mood?

know, like, why do you involve everyone else? Why are you involving so many people in your lives? Like, why are they so multi-leveled? I can't go to dinner because my best friend's dog died and then... Right. Yeah, I was once trying to get rid of a guy. We were in Barcelona and I was on a date and I was trying to, I mean, this guy flew to Barcelona to meet me, right?

I had a bunch of friends there. We were there. And then as soon as I saw him, I was like, oh, no, no. This is not going to happen. I love, you know. And then I made up a friend. I made up a fake character. I made up a wedding

I made up I it was right after that Vicky Christina Barcelona movie came out so I kept calling her Vicky Christina my cousin and I was like she's getting married in Barcelona and we actually have to go buy her some wedding shoes right now Some wedding shoes is crazy

And my friend was watching me and was like you are And we ended up running into them at the hotel when we were supposed to be at the wedding This guy who came out and flew out with his friend We thought when we said it was a rap And I was going to the wedding That he would go back

to London where he came from, but he came back and stayed there and we got caught red-handed. And as I saw him, I just, I was like, don't, no matter what. And they're like, Chelsea, shut up. Like, you are caught red-handed. Because I was going to say, no matter what, we are still going to the wedding, just keep the, keep the, stick with, stick with the story, can you believe it? She clung it off. Yeah. So I can't. So I don't lie just because, I mean, I do sometimes, but I do, I do, I, When I think about lying, I'm just like, it's just so much easier to tell the truth. Totally. Don't implicate other people and just say the truth.

I know. But that's the thing is like I also do that. I just tell the truth. I am such a confessionalist that sometimes I give people too much information and then it actually does throw people under the truth. Yeah. I'm with you. That's what I do. I've made a career out of doing that or stunted my career from doing that.

TBD. CBD. I actually have a listener question. That's all about how to lose a guy. So maybe we just transition. Oh, okay. Are you ready for some advice questions? Yeah, let's do it.

Okay, well, this one's just an email, but Meg says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a 32-year-old female. I recently escaped a five-year relationship, and I find myself getting into pickles with men I'm not interested in. Pickles is an interesting. I love that frame of it. Specifically, men I'm acquaintances with and see on a regular basis, work, neighbors.

When they ask to spend time with me, I regretably agree on the spot because I'm not. sure how to reject them politely. I then struggle to either reject them later or I avoid them like the plague. I know I don't owe them anything, but the fact that they're people that I will continue to see on a regular basis and the desire not to make anyone feel bad makes it hard to say no. I need a blueprint on how to handle these situations on the spot because they usually happen when I'm not expecting it and when I've got my friendly coworker or neighbor mask on. Thanks, Meg. So these are people that she's going to see again?

Uh-huh. Why? Why? Want to hang out? Like a coworker, it's a neighbor. It's a neighbor. It's somebody you see regularly. Oh, because I have a good answer for people you'll never see again. You can just like... You're going to a wedding in Barcelona. You're having a terrible, Hopee outbreak.

That usually ends the conversation right away. Oh, that's a good one. But I think what's a good way to shut someone down if you're not interested in a nice way? Because I do think it's important to not leave people hanging and holding on for hope. So, I mean, and if you're saying you're having, you can't lie and say you already have a boyfriend or a girlfriend

if they're going to, if these are recurring characters. But you can say, say I just actually started seeing someone and then that could fall apart. It's new. Yeah, it's new. And then that way doesn't have to come to fruition. That's really good. I mean, I think that's a decent way. Another thing you can do is just say, I'm so sorry, but I'm totally not even looking at you in that way or feeling anything in that way. So I don't even want to, I mean, I know that's a little, it sounds hard to say, but there's a succinct way to say that, to say like, I really want to keep it professional, especially if you work with them. You can always use that as a

an excuse to be like, I really don't want to mix work with pleasure. I've had a bad experience in the past. Totally. Totally. Or you could say I, yeah, you could say that. And then the only problem with that is if you start dating a different coworker. But at that point, who gives a shit. Yeah, exactly. I'm a fan of telling people, letting people down at night late. And just saying, because so many people ghost so many people. Yes. And I think that's kind of really fucked up. It fucks with people's psyches, right? Like you have to just be really direct and say, I'm not feeling it. I'm not seeing it.

I don't want to see anybody right now. Or I'm in something slightly and I want to see where this goes. Yeah. Like that's a nicer softer landing. I like that. What do you tell somebody when you're not interested? See, here's the problem. Like, sometimes I let it go too far.

I used to do that too. I think every woman does that. Because I don't want, I hate letting, like, I hate hurting people's feelings. And then I'm like, what was I thinking? But whatever. And so then I usually call and I'm like, and I just tell them, I just, but sometimes. Say what? What do you say? Well, sometimes they ask like, why.

Right. And then I'm a confessionalist and I'll tell them, but then that ends up hurting their feelings. Like what, what have you said to someone that whose feelings have been hurt in that kind of situation? You eat all my food and you didn't pay for anything. Oh. You're like, I want my ring, okay? I'm out here looking for a ring, everybody. I'm like, I just don't think it's going to work out.

Yeah. And I think we should not speak anymore. I love that men don't think that they have to pay for things. Like, what's that about it? I think they're confusing, like, chivalry with misogyny almost. Like, you know what I mean? All of that. Like, they don't have to make an effort.

Like, everyone's getting everything confused. It's like, well, why do we have to pay for things? You guys want to be treated equally. It's like, that's not the reason. That doesn't have anything to do. Like you didn't say anything. I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, use your brain. Yeah.

Just like. And also it's like a polite thing to do if I were to take a woman out to dinner or ask a woman to dinner, I'd pay. Right. I would pay. Like, just if it's a friend situation, it's like, whoever asks you pay. And dating historically and traditionally is just like a nice way for a man to be like, I'm going to take you out for on a date.

You want to show them a nice time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice. Right, Meg. Yeah.

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And we're the host of everyone watches women's sports, a new podcast from Together and I heart women's sports. Because let's be real. Women's sports is giving us way too much to talk about these days. So Kelsey Finler, she became the first female solo roer to go from California to Hawaii. My first thought is like, what's up with the snacks? Like, what are we eating? The highlights, the rivalries, the breakout stars, the moments that take over your entire timeline. And the conversations that start during the game and somehow keep going all week.

Every week, we're breaking down the biggest stories across women's sports. Naomi Osaka showing out, she beat Sabalinka. Shout out to you, Naomi. You get the palm, Naomi. You get a palm for that. Because we're not just interested in what happened. We're interested in why everyone's talking about it. Because everyone watches women's sports.

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We've played a lot of iconic characters over the years, but today we're showing up as ourselves to tell you about Podlandia, AEO rewatch, our brand new podcast. Each week, we'll revisit an episode of Portlandia from the very beginning, breaking down the sketches, exploring the backstories of our most iconic characters, revisiting the Portland locations you know and love, and opening up about our creative process.

How did any of this get made? Why do you think that was a good idea? We're ready to talk about it. And we'll also be joined by the people who helped bring it all to life. Guest stars, collaborators, and friends, including director, Jonathan Chrysler, the mayor himself, Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann and many more. Kyle is going for it here.

You fully improvised, not just words, but a song, a melody. I thought he was going to write. I thought you were going to write a song. I remember you thinking that. Listen to Podlandia. Ayo rewatch on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements.

We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook. Every episode we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers. The show is famously super accessible so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes and understand what's going on. We recommend some of our recent episodes with Ben Stillard. The definition of what is a movie

has kind of changed anywhere too, right? What do you think it is now? It's images and words being spoken, captured by some sort of technology. Danny McBride. He loves over. Oh, that's fantastic. And you make it on, you make your own.

That's great. I call him tarot read. It's a good name. They're all named after cast members of American Pie. Yeah. I call, I don't, I never looked up if she was in this, but I call him Leachie Sobieski. Yeah, I don't think she was an American Pie, but I still like that. Haven't looked it up.

She was prominent around the same time. Yeah. Then Mary Steenbergin. Why are you guys talking to me? I'm worried. I'm worried. Why are you talking so down to me that you think I don't understand your little play, play game? I just really.

I get it. trying to set you up for success here. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We have live callers. Are you ready for this? I'm so excited. I hope you've been to therapy so you can give some because that's what we do here. Oh, my goodness.

All right. Lanay has a very tricky question. So she says, Dear Chelsea, please help me know what to say so I don't feel like a ball-busting asshole to my husband. I'm married to a wonderful, thoughtful, and caring man who only wants me to feel fulfilled and happy. I know some men would think I'm impossible to live with, but this man has never said a negative word about my hatred for football and video games. I know that he participates much less in both of these interests because of a clear boundary I set when we were dating.

Lately, even our choice of what we watch on television together isn't viving. I'm interested in documentaries, and my husband finds these to be mostly depressing. He prefers something lighthearted, but I cannot watch another rerun of friends or the office. My husband thinks he's found the solution for us, but I don't have the heart to tell him that this solution is triggering to me. He thinks I love watching food eating challenges with him on YouTube. Beard Meets Food seems to be his favorite. He'll wait for me so we can watch new episodes together and he travels a lot for work. He sees it as our new show and gets excited to watch it together. The thing is, I have struggled with bulimia since I was 12. He knows this, but we haven't discussed it in years. I'm now 40,

and it's been getting harder and harder not to binge and purge when my husband isn't around. This show, triggers me. Oh my God. When I'm watching, I'll be dreaming of the moment I get to be alone again to binge and purge. And I hate that feeling. I feel like if I tell my husband, it will be yet another thing that I hate and he enjoys. How do I have this conversation without him feeling like I'm micromanaging his interests? Am I just doomed to sit through sitcom reruns for hopefully the next 40 years with the love of my life? Leney. Hi, Leney. Hi. Hi. This is our special guest, Madeline Klein. Hi. Nice to meet you. Hello. Maybe you guys can watch Outer Banks.

Yeah. Have you guys tried watching Outer Banks together? We haven't. We haven't tried that show. It's a fun rom. It's a fun rom. I think that you have to be really honest with your husband because now you're in a precarious situation with a history of an eating disorder that is triggering.

That is completely valid information. And listen, here's the thing. You guys don't have to watch TV together. You just don't. Like it's not, it's not like a fundamental necessity. It's great if you can find something or a series that you guys are going to like together. But it's not absolutely necessary. You can do other things together.

Why don't you go for a walk? Like, I know that sounds like blah, but actually lots of people do that. And it's a way to connect without any distraction. Because I don't really feel like necessarily watching TV with people is the biggest connection. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a lazy connection. That's true.

We've been talking a lot. We own a lot of books. I have quite a book collection. We've talked about needing to read more together. Yeah, book club. When we've tried, it's just the dead silence in the house. And so we're talking about music in the background while we read. We just haven't quite found the groove of that yet.

But you know what? Okay. With reading, I can help you with this. With reading, you have to set the tone. You have to get into the groove and you have to force yourself. You can put on some jazz, put on some classical so it's not distracting. Obviously, you know, you're not going to be. be listening to hip hop and reading. So, like, just put on some background music and literally sit there

with your partner. You don't even have to read the same book. No, yeah. You can just both read 50 pages of a book and sit down and discuss it after. Or you can read 50 pages. I mean, you can read 50 pages of the same book. Or you can read, and you can start small, start with 25 pages. Anyone can read 25 pages of a book. And just set a new pattern, like, of something that you guys can do together. And, you know, if you're not really agreeing on shows to watch, I don't know that you're going to be having the same interest in books necessarily. So I think you can be open to like reading two different things and then just talking about it. Like telling each other the story about it.

It's just more of a connectivity. I find watching TV with a partner to be pretty lazy, quite frankly. I mean, no judgment. But you know, when I do it, I'm always like, what are we doing this for? Shouldn't we be like fucking or doing something more? I definitely agree. You know, and maybe there's some other things you guys can start doing together, like going out a night and going to the movies or going bowling or stupid shit, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He travels so much for work. I feel like it's when he looks forward to, like, actually being at home and decompressing and enjoying that. And my biggest hesitation, because I can tell him anything, I just, he's a huge over-correcter. So I feel any time I'll give him feedback, you know, help cooking more dinners, the next thing is a homemade from scratched lasagna rattle taco night or something. So I don't ever want him to feel

like a huge overcorrection is needed. But you should tell him that honestly. Because like that, right, like that is so sweet. And that the fact that he's that he's actually like he's listening to you and he's hearing what you're saying. And just tell him like I don't want you to overcorrect. But this habit or this, this activity is maybe not a group activity. for for me to be included in. And like don't make him feel like his interest is like invalid or lame. But I think if he will, if he does overcorrect

then maybe there's the potential that he can just correct, course correct to a different activity together. Yeah, play games. Like play Rummy Cube. There's always puzzles. Yes. Puzzles are just boring though. Like what do you?

Of a puzzle. Like a game at least there's like conversation. going a little bit more than a puzzle. And I just think like, I understand if he's tired and I feel that way when I come back from the road. Like, I'm tired. I just want to like get in bed and not think. I get it.

I totally get it. So give a couple of options and be malleable, which I'm sure you already are. But the most important thing is you don't have to care for his feelings into the degree that you're talking about when you're talking about an eating disorder. Like you're the number one priority in that situation. And he would say the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.

So like don't apologize for his overcorrection. If he's going to overcorrect, you can tell him. Like Madeline said, like you can tell him. You don't have to overcorrect. But also, like, you need to be very honest about your truth. You are the number one priority in this situation. And a great thing to tell him is like, you can go ahead and watch the show. This is your show to watch in the hotel when you're traveling for work.

Like this is a new show. I just can't watch it. Right. To get a little more book nerdy about setting the stage for when you're reading. Yeah, for sure. I like putting on music, but this is like very nerdy. You can go on YouTube and find backgrounds that you put on the TV. I put those on too.

It's kind of fun. Like, if I'm reading a spooky book, I'll put on a background that's like stormy night and you're in a cabin. And it's kind of fun. Well, you were right to warn me about that advice. Thank you. First of all, if I could figure out how to fucking do that, my life would be a lot different. I could set the settings on my TV screen.

I mean, I go to people's houses. I'm like, how did you do that? But also, yeah, find some stuff to do that's like, you know, there's so much you can do. Like, learn how to play cribbage together. Learn how to play gin or play gin together. Play a card game. There's other ways to connect and relax that don't require, like, leaving the house, you know, if he really wants to chill out. I had a small conversation about wanting to have more deep conversations with each other a few months ago.

And he literally went out and bought this card game that's for connecting. And then I'm the one who kind of stopped. The questions got real. And I kind of shut down a little. So I know we should pick that game back up again. He took the effort to hear me and move forward with us to connect through that. I just, you know, one of the first questions, how have I ever let you down?

And it just was so deep, so quick. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. I bet there's other card games. game so that I feel like there definitely are that are like more conversation starters than like relationship bummers. You know what? I'll send you a link because I can't remember what they're called, but there are these like packs of like conversation starters that you can like use together.

And they're fun when you have guests over and that sort of thing too. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you so much. Yeah. But definitely like, you know, that is you're a number one. Like focus on telling the truth. You would want to know. Yes. It's not an excuse. That's a reason. And it's valid. Oh, there you go. That's another tagline for your other brand that we're going to come up with. We have three brand taglines. Will you check back in with us? Have you guys to have the conversation? Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'll follow up. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks, Lene.

Bye, Lene. I bet lots of couples have problems connecting, like, after a while because it's like, what do you talk about after you've been with somebody for 15 years? Yeah. You're of the generation where everyone was named Madeline. Because I had a cabbage patch kid named Madeline. Cabbage Patch Kids were a prelude to a generation. of names because everyone named everyone who was my age who named like Gretchen, Gracie, Taylor. Mm-hmm. And then everyone grew up that was my age and had babies and then named them those babies.

Yeah. Yeah. But I like the name Madeline a lot. I do too. It's a good name. What's your middle name? Renee. Okay. Yeah. I like Madeline. I think I think the story like my parents found out that they were going to have me when they were visiting. They were in Paris. And they thought that the book The Madeline book was really cute. Oh, yeah. The little cookies. So they just changed the name.

Do you have siblings? I'm an only child. Oh, really? Yeah. They had a hard time having or getting pregnant with me. And then I was apparently a very happy, quiet baby. So they were like, maybe we should just quit while we're ahead. Yeah.

But they took me to the doctor when I was little because I would not speak. How long did it take you to speak? It was pretty quiet up until like, maybe when I was 10, I just started yapping away. What do you mean 10? Yeah, I just didn't really speak. Like, my mom would be like, how was your day? I'd be like.

At six and five? Like when you went to school? I could speak, right? I could speak. I just chose not to. I just didn't want to. Interesting. That must have been concerning for them.

That's, yeah. They were like, she just fine. She just, she doesn't see a reason to. That's an interesting attitude for a little kid. Yeah. It's so funny. To abstain. Yeah.

I'm the youngest of six kids, so it would never have occurred to me not to speak. Because that was the only way to get shit done. Or to get, I'm sure to be like heard. Yeah. I'm like, fuck all these other people. Hello. You know, I need some attention. But if you are an only child, why would you talk? You're like, I got everything I need.

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I know accidentally adopted two preteens. like a story that would involve a cult, drugs, possibly a head injury, but I worked with foster kids and what started as helping out somehow turned into motherhood. And before anyone tells me, this is normal. I know people start families young all the time. I genuinely just never thought it would happen to me. Now I'm 27 and they're 15. I envisioned my 20s dating, traveling, partying, and making regrettable decisions. Instead, I spent mine explaining to two teenage girls why they shouldn't make regrettable decisions. Although, to be fair, I do try to lead by example. To be clear, I love these girls more than anything, but I do occasionally feel like I skipped

directly from age 24 to exhausted mother who's fighting for her life every day. And the time flies when you're fighting for your life. My biggest fear, becoming a grandmother. Chelsea, I cannot stress this enough. I am not built for grandmotherhood. I still get carded. I have brought them to school hungover. Some days I feel like I'm moving backwards on the responsibility scale. I can't cook and have no understanding of finances. There's absolutely nothing about me that says mom, much less grandma. So now I spend most of my time trying to raise two independent, responsible, successful young women while simultaneously begging them not to do anything that could result in me raising another child. Here's my question.

Am I delusional for looking at the calendar and thinking, okay, when these girls graduate, I can finally have my 20s? Or is that selfish? Is there such a thing as a delayed young adult phase? Can I be grateful for my life and still feel like I missed a chapter? Or am I just a mom now? Honestly, I'm receptive to any advice, criticism, reality checks, or tough love. I'm just desperate for at least one person not to answer with, well, what did you think was going to happen?

Because clearly I was not thinking. Sincerely, Hallie. Hi, Holly. Hi, Holly. Hi. Hi. This is our special guest, Madeline Klein, is here today. Hello.

Hey. First of all, way to go. That is awesome and generous and loving. And such a thing that a woman would do is adopt to 12-year-olds. So that's awesome that you did that. And you're giving them a stable home and you're giving them love. and you're giving them an education on life. So all of these things are beautiful.

Are you delusional to think that you can have your own life once they, hopefully, are they going to go to college, these girls? That's the hope. Yeah. They want to. Yeah. Okay, great. That's all they need is to want to do it.

And then that will most likely happen. No, you're not delusional. Yes, you're going to have your life. This is fucking awesome that you already have two, 16, 15 or 15 now, right? 50 years. Okay, you have two more years of this until they go to college. Two more years. Dive into them big time.

Make sure they know that you are not going to be a grandmother. Make sure that they are educated about birth control. Get them injected with whatever new a ring they need to have. I don't know why I touched my elbow or the inside. I was thinking of an IV because that's how you get a newver ring in my mind. You know what I'm saying. But just make sure that they are. You know, they've got it.

They don't want to have a baby. Do they want to have a baby? No, but I just worry. I worry. Where, okay. But don't worry about things that haven't happened. Do you know what I mean? That's just like you're almost like manifesting it by worrying about it so much that you should

probably flip it and reverse it and be like they would never do such a thing to me. You're not even their biological mother. Like how could you be expected to raise another, you know, generation of children? Like that's just like, that's not a default setting in my like viewpoint. You would be there to help, but you're not going to be there to step in and raise a baby. So obviously, have you made that clear to them? I did. I just, I worry because they crave like negative attention a lot of the times. Uh-huh. And so I try to give them space to kind of be who they are, figure out who they are, but also while setting boundaries. And it's just a little difficult. Yeah. Yeah. And do you have someone who

helps you? Like, do you have like a parenting coach or do you like, what do you, how do you know how to do this? You're just figuring it out as you go. Google. Yeah, great. Well, that's what most parents are doing anyway. So don't worry about that. But the broader question is you're going to have your own life. The fact that you have two kids that are going to college when you're going to be like 29 years old, that's when your life is going to begin again. We were just talking about at the beginning of this podcast was how excited I am from my 30s because I feel like they're going to be even more awesome than my 20s. So I feel like... They are and they are awesome.

I'm here to tell you. It gets better. As you age as a woman, it just keeps getting better and better and better. You're more... Like, look what you've already accomplished. It's so cool. Most people are going to be like 10 years from where you are raising 17-year-old children or 15-year-old children.

Do you know what I mean? Like, you have an advantage because you were so young. So stop looking at it as a disadvantage and look at it. as an advantage. You gave these girls a safe place to grow up. So, like, that is invaluable. Like, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. And thank you. Yeah. And so, like, you have, like, the whole world ahead of you. And of course, you're missing out on this time in your 20s. But honestly, this isn't the best time of your life anyway. Like, your 30s are going to be even better than your 20s. So then you can be free. And then you could go out and spread your wings and fly.

When you're smarter and cooler than ever. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But don't hope so, no, so. That's what's going to happen. Where do you live? I live in Louisiana. Okay. I was going to say that accent, I couldn't quite place, and that's usually Louisiana. Excellent. When you can't place it, are you in New Orleans or another part? Close by New Orleans. Okay. So how did these girls come into your life? I work with kids in the foster care system, and I worked closely with them. They went home with their dad and I just kind of kept in touch just in case. And one day he dropped him off and said pretty much he he can't do it anymore. And I tried to work with them the best that I could. But then

it was like I had to make a decision to step up or I would have had to be the bad guy and put them back where they did not want to go. And so, I mean, it was an easy yes for me at the time. I just, I didn't think future. Like I wasn't thinking what my life would look like, you know, five years from that moment or whatever. And how good for those girls that you weren't thinking, you know? Yeah, yeah. You did it. That's a beautiful thing that you've done.

And these girls aren't going to, they're going to get it. They're not going to go out and get pregnant. And if they do get pregnant, then hopefully they'll get an abortion and they won't have a baby before they're ready to have a child. You know what I mean? Like people do make mistakes and that and then and you can, you know, I, I don't know if Louisiana is a state where you can, but whatever. Don't like think about that aspect of things. Just make sure they're educated, which I know you already are doing about getting pregnant

and about protecting themselves. And I understand that young girls get off on negative attention. I know that. And that can be a bad habit, but it's also kind of part of growing up. And the fact that you're also like allowing them space while also setting boundaries with them and like allowing them to be individuals with their own thoughts. feelings and you're not, you're not helicoptering them. You're allowing them to grow up and still teach them and tell them to like learn from me. That is so amazing. The, the lessons and the freedoms

that you're giving them is truly like, especially, I know it's so difficult when they're teenagers. I remember like how annoying I was. But like, I was always so grateful when my, parents gave me a little bit of freedom. And trust. And trust, yes. I think the way to build trust is to give people a little latitude and see what they come back with. Like sometimes when you trust people who haven't been entrusted before, they really value that. You know what I mean? So it's like giving them a little of latitude and seeing how they respond in that situation. And I'm sure these girls are like endlessly grateful to you. They are. I just want. I just want, to make sure that I'm doing the best possible thing. And I know that no parent is perfect,

like for sure. But that's why I'm always willing to learn and to hear from other people. Yeah. You're doing, you are. You're doing a great job. You are. And calling and asking questions and being open to that is also great. I have no doubt that you're the best influence that these girls have ever had. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So just hold tight. And then get your pussy out when they, go to college and get the fucking party started. Yeah. I can't wait. Okay.

Thanks for calling. Thanks, Ellie. Thank y'all. Hi. Hi. That's cute. I love that Asian accent. I know. I was like, weird.

And then she said something else and I'm like, wait, no, that's not Mrs. Yeah. And then that is a Cajian accent for sure. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's our episode, Madeline Klein, who has been so cute. cute and lovable. Oh my God.

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