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01:33 Now in my 30s, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is my business. Listen on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, discos. Need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party.
02:13 Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show, after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth to confront the myth to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we are talking about the Christian metal scene as it pertains to as I lay dying in this week's full episode on Tim Lambesis, previewing our episode on Alice Cooper, the one and only Alice Cooper here in the Halloween season. As always, we're going to get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically
02:48 obsessy, outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried disgrace. And is where I tell the story. you'll end up telling someone else. All right, this goes, let's get into it. All right, guys, welcome into the after party. So we're talking about Tim Lambesis from As I Lay Dying this week. Obviously, this guy is full of shit. Complete fraud.
03:17 Frauds are the theme this week. Guy clearly wasn't Christian, wasn't living up to the Christian and spiritual and religious tenets and aesthetic of his band. And it was an act to help as I lay dying gain popularity in the Christian metal scene. Now, this has had me thinking. I just wrote the Jared Leto episode of Disgraceland. That comes out in a couple weeks. Prior to that, I wrote the Reggie Watts episode, and we're producing that one now.
03:53 And that comes out in a couple weeks as well. And like with Tim Lambises from As I, dying as I'm putting together these other stories. I'm thinking about frauds. And Reggie Watts was this dude who turns out wasn't who we thought he was. It doesn't mean that he killed his ex-girlfriend, as the most extreme of his detractors would allege. But he clearly is not the cuttly, creative, psychonaut,
04:31 harmless, intellectual, who he puts himself across as. He's clearly something else and you're going to hear all about that in that episode. And he's kind of phony
04:40 and full of shit in a lot of ways, I believe. Jared Leto, on the other hand, may just be the dude we always thought he was. And I could kind of just
04:50 like, I guess, being that person out in the open to a degree. There's this thing, too, irony, where if you come at whatever the thing is that you're most afraid of being accused of with irony, and you kind of make a joke of it or with humor, you kind of make a joke of it, it's hard then to be accused of that thing.
05:11 And that's the whole Jared Leto thing with the cult. Yes, it's a cult when referring to 30 seconds to Mars and camp Mars and all that stuff. But anyways, that's the point is frauds are on the brain here in my sort of creative world. This other thing I have on the brain regarding Tim Lambesis and as I lay dying and faith I read this book I've got it right here. It's a great little book.
05:35 It's written during COVID. It's by Martin Scorsese with Antonio Spadaro. It's called Conversations on Faith apropos of Tim Lambesis and As I Lay Dying. And Scorsese says this thing in this book that really made me stand up and take note. He says that creative people
05:54 create out of a desire to better understand the world they're living in. And that's so, so true. And I think about what we do here in disgrace land and the stories that we tell. A perfect example. Again, as I lay dying, Tim Lambesis, but more so the Christian metal scene, Zeth and I really wanted to understand this world. We don't know the world. This story's been out there forever. It's not us, we're not breaking any news. That's not what we do here. But we want to understand it. I'm not like a huge Reggie Watts fan. Some of the folks who work at Double Elvis are. I'm not particularly interested in him as an artist. I kind of am. I'm more interested in knowing what the hell happened. How this guy who presented himself as one thing was clearly
06:48 something else. And the result is completely tragic. the death of his ex-girlfriend. It just, I really, really wanted to get to how that happened, maybe even why that happened. Same thing with Jared Leto. Artists create out of a desire to understand the world around them. Real artists like Martin Scorsese. To what extent Jared Leto creates to understand the world around him?
07:24 I don't know, even after spending two weeks inside that story, putting that episode together for you guys, which again will be out in a couple weeks. To what extent Reggie Watts creates to better understand the world around him. I have a better idea than I do with Jared Leto. So much of what Jared Leto does, even artistically, strikes me as phony, specifically as we're talking about music. We're talking about 30 seconds to Mars. We talk about his acting. which I think he's a better actor than he is a musician. It's hard for me to understand beyond his own narcissism and his own sense of self and id and ego and all of that what exactly Jared Letto is trying to figure out through the roles that he plays, the majority of them. Perhaps as Rayon and Dallas Byers Club, he was really trying to figure out what life was like
08:21 for somebody like Rayon, who was a person. who was a particularly unique in original character to be portrayed specifically at that time when that film came out, especially, I should say, not specifically. So these artists all fascinate me and their motivations fascinate me as well, especially when I think about what we're doing here and why we're doing it as we're thinking about what stories we're going to be telling in the new year. Artists create to better understand the world around them. When it comes to faith, when it comes to Tim lambesis, it's particularly appalling when you're fraudulently leading these people along and having them just, you know, you're just bullshitting your way through your art. I find that to be particularly
09:08 gross. At least the damage that Reggie Watts has, is alleged to have brought comes from, I feel like, a place of, I guess he's being true to himself in some way. I mean, he is this sort of, of psychonaut psychedelic ketamine advocate who has a handle on drugs or at least proclaims to have a handle on drugs in a way that that guide him and help him and really have designed his world view. Now, is there collateral damage there? Sure. But I do think to some extent Reggie Watts, unlike Tim Lambesis, is creating to better understand the world around him. And that's something, even if the guy is a crepe. But as I got into this book I've mentioned before,
09:58 and I know I'm all over the place here, but I'm going to make this point. Thanks for staying with me. This Martin Scorsese with Father Antonio Spadaro conversations on faith book, which I really highly recommend. It's very short, and there's a little Scorsese script at the end,
10:13 an unreleased film script at the end of this book, which is great. In this book, as I was reading it, I started to think about Scorsese in relation to Tim Lambesis from As I Lay Dying. And I listen to As I Lay Dying, and none of it strikes me as particularly compelling. Now, obviously, Martin Scorsese is a horse of a completely different color. And when I look at something like The Last Temptation of Christ,
10:42 a movie which quite literally almost killed Martin Scorsese, and where he's trying to really say something, he's really trying to look at the duality not only of man, but specifically of Jesus Christ, of this, of this consubstantial, uh, god slash human. This, this entity that has to deal with both his, uh, the failings of being a man and the power of being a God and how to live as both those things, that duality, the good and the bad, the good and the evil. And it's Scorsese trying to figure out.
11:22 himself. I mean, that's exactly what this is. How he can be a great artist and, you know, a terrible husband or whatever. I'm putting words into his mouth, but I'm sure this is the type of thing that's going on in his head. And he started to look at musicians from history. Somebody we're going to be releasing an episode on, I believe, next week, Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper, you know, all this dark, evil imagery Christian. You look at Slayer. Well, one of the dudes in Slayer is Catholic. I can't remember which one. You look at Black Sass. You look at Black Slaher. Ozzy Osbourne, Christian. And, you know, Black Sabbath's music, heavy and dark, these themes. I mean, it's the name, Black Sabbath. They had literal Satanists following them around on tour in the 70s trying to recruit them.
12:09 And what you have in the music is Ozzy Osbourne trying to figure out his own faith, which was really strong and really significant and really sincere and not what you would think and that contrast is fascinating to me truly is somebody like tim lambisus though he borers me because he's just once once the veil is lifted there's there's just there's not much there besides the fraud and it's really gross and it's really disgusting and i feel bad for his fans i truly do i'm not sure what i learned about myself in the telling of this story zeth wrote it so he's a little more connected to it via the writing than I am via the production. But at least it got me thinking more deeply about the sincerity that an artist should aspire to, not just for their audience, but for themselves, to help them better figure out the world,
13:08 help them better figure out how to exist in this world, how to better figure out how to defend against the trauma that this world can bring, and how to be a better person for your fellow humans walk through this world with a better understanding, not just of yourself, but of other people. And that condition, that human condition there at the core of all this storytelling. For me, endlessly compelling, here we are nine years in, nine years in almost. We're eight, I'm saying nine because we're currently figuring out the episodes that we're going to be telling next year. Zeth and I just got into a great conversation. You're going to hear it later on fraudsters in music history, from music history.
13:51 You can hear this story later if you become an all-access member of Disgraceland, or if you already are, excuse me, in the exclusive section of this after-party. And it unlocked for us some great stories that we're probably going to get into until next year. Stories that I wasn't aware of or that I knew a little bit about, but not a lot of bit about. Now I know more about it, and I'm excited to dive in and bring them to you. Go to disgraceandpod.com to sign up to become an all-access member to unlock. lock this exclusive content plus add free content and you'll be able to hear this conversation. Also, Zeth, if you're listening, and I know you are, I meant to mention this when we're talking,
14:29 but we have yet to set a date for all of you guys to get in on a Zoom and go through, kick around some ideas for episodes that we're going to program for next year. We've got to do that soon. We've got to come up with a date. We'll be doing that in the coming days slash week. We'll talk about it first on Patreon, but we'll also be talking about it here in the after party. Appreciate all of you guys. All right.
14:54 As I lay dying in the feed this week, that's our latest full episode of Disgraceland. If you haven't heard it and you want a little taste, here you go. Tim Lambesis, he walked into a Barnes & Noble in Oceanside, California. And he found this dude named Red. He'd never seen Red before. Red was a fixer. Red was a problem solver. Red was the guy who did the dirty work and got paid for doing the dirty work.
15:15 Okay, Tim Lambesis paid Red $1,000 in cash. This $1,000 was a down payment for Tim Lambesis to get rid of his wife. He wanted Red to kill his wife. Tim Lambesis, singer of Christian metal band As I Lay Dying. When Tim was speaking with Red, he was careful. He didn't use words that would incriminate him, at least for the beginning of the conversation. At the end of the conversation, he couldn't help himself. He turned to red and he said, hey, just to clarify, just so you know, I want her dead.
15:49 That was on May 7, 2013, and that was the day that Tim Lambesis discovered that the man that he knew as red was actually an undercover San Diego County Sheriff's Deputy. So, that's a little bit of the As I Lay Dying story for you. If you want to know more about the Christian metalcore scene, than this episode on As I Lay Dying will have your jaw on the floor. That's top of your feed right now. Coming up next in your feed, right after this episode, in our Rewind episode, this Sunday is our story on Michael Allig and the Club Kids from the 1990s. Now, in 1996, Michael Allig, quote unquote, king of the club kids, told anyone who would listen that he killed his friend and nobody believed him, despite what Michael was saying. Michael's parties, they were the most decadent in Manhattan, including one specific party called Blood Feast, where Michael showed up. covered in someone else's blood. So when he said he killed his drug dealer and friend, Angel Melendez,
16:48 and stuffed him in a box, everybody figured that Michael was just putting him on, that it was another bit. Everybody except Village Voice columnist Michael Musto. Musto, Musto, Musto. You say musto, I say musto. Michael Musto knew where Michael Alec lived on the corner of narcissism and drugged out madness. So Michael Musto took a chance and he published a blind item on this story. Page six picked that item up, and suddenly Michael Allig was having to defend the fact that he was alleged to have killed Angel Melendez. Michael Alex called it a prank. Detectives closed in on Michael Allig and found him hold up in a New Jersey hotel trying to escape justice. Allig pleaded guilty to manslaughter, served 16 years, eventually called me on the telephone to tell me how upset he was at me for calling him a murderer, when in fact he was just somebody who was.
17:41 guilty of manslaughter. If you want to know more about Michael Alex's infamous days on the New York City club scene, be sure to check out this Rewind episode of the Disgraceland podcast. That's coming up next right after this after party. And then next week, we've got Alice Cooper. Listen, when you're taking in this Alice Cooper episode, be thinking about second acts in rock and roll. And let us know what's your favorite comeback album from an artist, their second act album, that kind of brings them, puts them back on the map. Album, song, can be anything. Favorite second acts in rock and roll.
18:19 Give us a call, 617-906-66-66-3-8 with your voicemail and text, and you might hear it on next week's after-party. All right, discos, excited for next week, blasting out of this Christian metal scene into the world of shock rock with the screaming Jay Hawkins' descendant Alice Cooper, and I want to hear from you. So 617-906-66-38, get at me, voicemail and text. I'll be back right after this with your...
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20:31 I played with players that didn't truly love the game. I found the love with the ball at my foot. I don't care what I'm being asked to do at Fox. I'm going to go get some reps and love it and embrace it. Listen to whatever it takes with Carly Lloyd and Jenny Taft on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, welcome back. We're going to get to your voicemails, text, DMs, emails, and all of that in just a bit. But I've got to mention that D. Davis was sentenced to 40 years to life in prison for Tupac Shakur's murder.
21:15 And I don't know. It still feels like the story is not closed. Sentenced, New York Post says, sentenced for masterminding Tupac's murder. Kee-D. Davis sentenced on Tuesday. Sentencing came decades after Tupac September 19's 96 murder in Las Vegas. 40 years, Davis will most certainly die in prison. But again, I don't know. This just does not feel, it doesn't feel done.
21:44 And I can't tell if that's because of the facts or just because psychologically, I can't let go of this story. I feel like a lot of you don't want to let go of this story as well. This is one of the mega iconic stories from music history that is just, it's hard to put down. It's hard to slam shut. And I don't think any of us are going to do it despite this sentencing. It's kind of like the Kurt Cobain story. People just don't want to put it down. People like Curtis in the 513.
22:11 Hey, Jake, this is Curtis from 513. I ain't called in in a long time, but I'm listening to your after party. and you asked about why people don't hate Sid Vicious as much as they hate Courtney Love. Well, Sid Vicious is there. Nobody gave a shit about Sid Vicious except for punk rock people and, you know, maybe some other people on the, on the fringes. And so nobody cared, basically. With Kurt Cobain's death and Courtney being, you know, his wife,
22:47 the people needed somebody to blame because he left a void. But that's it, man. Take it easy. Yeah, Curtis, he did, Kurt Cobain absolutely did 100% leave a void, as did Tupac. And you're right. You're right about Sid Vicious. Sid Vicious looms large in history. But in the moment, he was fringe. He really was. The sex pistols were nowhere near as big as Nirvana or Tupac.
23:15 And again, I think the Kirk Covey story like the Tupac Shakur story is one where people just do not want to give it up. They don't want it to end. What does that say about us if that story is finished? Same subject. Let's go to the 903. Hey, guys, Adam from Texas and Maryland now. And I'm just calling a response to the Courtney Love thing and then the question of the week. But the Courtney Vell thing is this basic trauma, a little bit of sexism, but trauma and, you know, people,
23:45 just hate her and while she is. And if they can get a foothold in with any way that's explaining the way that Kurt died and she's still alive, that's basically my, you know, what I think of that. And the CIA just because she hung out with the deadheads is insane. Like I said, Bill Walton, hilling out with the dead, you're grateful dead too. Does that mean he is a CIA agent too? Bill Walton, basketball player? I don't think so.
24:06 Anyway, love you guys. Love the show. Rock and roll. Bye. You're absolutely right. Bill Walton, the 86 Celtics were a sciop. It's a CIA plant. No, I'm kidding.
24:19 But you did hit on to something here, Adam. It's just where you have one beloved artist in Kurt Cobain and one despised artist and Courtney Love. And I forget how you put it there, Adam, but you said something like, they can't understand how one is alive and the other is not. And I think that goes to the heart of what we're discussing here. All right, let's go check in here.
24:45 with the 915. Hey Jake, this is Vince from the 915. I've been a huge fan of the podcast since the beginning when you were a guest promoting it on the Daily Zikegeist. That was the beginning. Damn, Vince. That was a long time ago. As for the question of the week, what song inspires you to confront slash contemplate your faith? The song that immediately popped into my mind is doubting Thomas by the all bluegrass band, Nickel Creek, off their album. Why should the fire die? I've had issues with my faith. throughout my adulthood and the lyrics perfectly sum up those struggles. I'm a doubting Thomas. I took a promise, but I don't know what's safe. Oh, me of little faith. Anyway, I love the show, Rocka Rolla. Vince from the 915, the story of doubting Thomas from the Bible, a good one indeed.
25:31 And, you know, I got this book in front of me that I was talking about earlier, the Scorsese one. And he says something, another, he says a lot in here, obviously, that's that I've remembered. But another thing he says, we're connected to what you're talking about here. Another thing he says is that faith And I'm paraphrasing, so forgive me. He says if faith is something that should be contemplated and confronted, contemplated and confronted. And that's so true. I think oftentimes people think that faith is just this really hard line in the sand.
26:03 I believe X, and that's it. And anybody I know who lives a life of faith, including priests that I know, Catholic priests that I know, they all have their own, questions and they all have their own ways of confronting and contemplating their faith. And the story of doubting Thomas is a good one. I don't know the Nickel Creek song, but I'm going to check that out. Appreciate you, Vince. Appreciate you listening since way back. I remember that interview. I remember that interview with the Daily Zekegeist. Saw Jack recently, actually. Good dude. Anyhow, let's go on. Here we go. 71 gets at us and says,
26:39 hey, I was into Striper 2, so you're not the only one. Just wanted to let you know that real quick. Thank you. Also, I'm so happy that you reconsidered Eminem and are now a fan because I love Eminem and I've always loved him and I was so disappointed when he said that he did not make great music. However, I did not send hate mail and I never would. Love you. Love the podcast. Always, Kel from the 7-8-1. Appreciate you, Kel. It's okay if we disagree on some music though here and there. We're not all going to love the same thing. And oftentimes the music I don't love, I come back to it. There's some music that I know is great and I just can't get with it. And then there's music that I just cannot stand. 30 seconds to Mars is part of that. I've never liked that band. I don't care. I don't care what Jared Leto may have done or not done. It has nothing to do with my opinion of that band. I disliked the band so immensely that I didn't even really talk about my dislike of the band in the episode that I wrote because it just seemed too easy. And I didn't really feel like I had anything interesting to say critically about them because I don't care about them. You know what I mean? it's like there's such a nothing burger to me musically.
27:42 The guy has no fucking roots. For a guy who supposedly was raised in the circus or whatever the fuck he says, you know, Bob Dylan said he was raised in the circus. That guy's got roots. Charoletto as a musician has no roots. As an actor, on the other hand, well, that's a whole other story. Kate in the 270 says, hey, when you talk about the Christian music scene and what it's really like behind the scenes,
28:04 well, I grew up going to the new song music festival held at Camp Lou Cone every summer in Kentucky. Back when I was going, it was super cheap. Hey, it was the 80s and early 90s, and you could actually have time to speak to different bands. And I'm talking bands like Petra, Striper, Newsboys, D.C. talk and so on. I've met them, talked to them, stood next to them in the crowds, watching the other bands play.
28:25 As I lay dying, is not an anomaly. From the time I started going to new song as a middle school-aged girl, we would tell each other who to avoid. It's like how those of us who were Catholic would tell each other which priests to avoid. I know exactly what you're talking about. Growing up, there was always that one. You knew. You just fucking knew. You didn't even really have to say anything. You just knew what I'm saying? Anyway, she goes on to say here, Kate goes on to say, we knew who was the real deal. The dudes from Petra and
28:54 Striper were okay. And who was not? Everyone knew to avoid the hell out of the newsboys. If you've been following the controversy surrounding their former lead singer Michael Tate, you'll understand why. Even among women in CCM, contemporary Christian music. When Amy Grant had an album cover back in the 80s where she had two buttons of her blouse unbuttoned, and you could see her throat. Sandy Patty Alba called her a whore, which was rich coming from Sandy Patty, who was banging her security car. All right, we're going deep into it.
29:20 I love it. So Tim Lambesis may be more salacious and evil and murderous, but he's nothing new. And it's just ick. And the closer you live to Nashville like I do, and the more you see of this, CCM is based like country out of Nashville. Fun fact. The more you realize the industry. is the industry. Rock a roll of babes. Kate, appreciate you in the 270. My wife lived in Nashville,
29:42 went to Belmont University. She has her fair share of stories here with some of the folks you're mentioning even. So appreciate the text there, Kate. 303 texts in, hey, in the as I lay dying episode, you referred to Razzle from Hanoi Rocks as dazzle. That was, I'm guessing I didn't pronounce that incorrectly, and I actually got tied up there. My bad. And I apologize. I'm well aware of Razzle. And if you want more on Razzle, you can get him in the Mottley Crew episode of Disgraceland. Going back to season two, I believe.
30:15 Still haven't heard from any of Screaming Jay Hawkins' children. If you're out there, get in touch. We'd love to talk to you. We typically hear from kids of rock stars that we cover, some of them anyways. I'd love to hear. I'd love to talk to one of Screaming J's kids. Hit us up, 617-906-66-36-38, voicemail and text.
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33:36 Your Disgraceland episode on Blondie's Debbie Harry in her near miss with Ted Bundy is a master class in music, true crime storytelling. I was wondering if you'd be willing to send me, oh, yo, Brandon, you know what, dude? I'm not going to read your address here. Appreciate the kind words. I got to, you know, I'm happy you wrote us this episode. I can't take credit for it, though. It was written by Mr. Zeth Lundy, Dr. Lundy crushed it.
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34:13 I got to address my own friend, John Strimish, who hit us up on Instagram. John was upset that we didn't mention John Lurie when we were talking about, we're having our conversation about great musicians who have become actors. John Lurie, you might know him from some of the Jim Jarmouche movies. Maybe you know him from the last episode of Anthony Bourdain. And maybe this is all sounding familiar to you because we just talked about John Lurie, John Strimish. But I like any opportunity to talk about John Lurie.
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37:52 As I Lay Dying Frontman, Tim Lambesis, walked into a Barnes & Noble to talk to a hitman, a supposed it hitman, named Red, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, just give me a reason. Pink. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 11. Number two, Can't Hold Us, Malcolm Moore, and Ryan Lewis, featuring Ray Dalton, last week, two.
38:17 Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 12. Number three, stay. Riyan, featuring Mickey Echo. Last week, six. Peak position. Three. Weeks on churn, 12.
38:31 Number four, thrift shots. Macalaw and Ryan Lewis. Featuring Wands. Last week. Bruno Rios. Peak position. One. Weeks on church.
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