Doughboys - Papa Johns 3 with Steve Sladkowski

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Steve Sladkowski (@sssladkow, Pup) joins the 'boys to talk touring, fried chicken, and Canadian pizza chains before a review of Papa Johns. Plus, a new edition of The Family Food.Watch this episode at youtube.com/doughboysmediaGet ad-free episodes at patreon.com/doughboysGet Doughboys merch at kinshipgoods.com/doughboysAdvertise on Doughboys via Gumball.fmSources for this week's intro:https://www.mashed.com/407168/the-untold-truth-of-papa-johns/https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesdigitalcovers/2018/07/19/the-inside-story-of-papa-johns-toxic-culture/https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIoOvSRRXU0/https://www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628284744/papa-johns-founder-quits-as-chairman-after-using-the-n-word-during-conference-cahttps://www.wendys.com/en-gb/todd-penegorhttps://www.nrn.com/quick-service/why-todd-penegor-came-out-of-retirement-to-lead-papa-johnsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. Want to watch this episode? Check it out on our YouTube channel by going to youtube.com slash doughboysmedia. The ranks of fast food royalty, much like real royalty, are filled with ghouls. McDonald's Ray Kroc, who brazenly Mark Zuckerberged away the rights to the restaurant empire founded by the McDonald brothers. Chick-fil-A's Dan Cathy, who opposed same-sex marriage and funneled money to support conversion therapy. Carl's Jr. Hardee's Andrew Puzder, who graduated from lawyer for the anti-abortion lobby to burger CEO overseeing a famously sexist marketing campaign. But perhaps none is more notorious, not to mention more physically ghoul-like, than John Schnatter, who opened his eponymous pizza

restaurant in Jeffersonville, Indiana in 1984 and began franchising almost immediately. By the 2000s, this upstart Hoosier pizzeria had grown to compete with national stalwarts Domino's, Pizza Hut, and Little Caesars. And Schnatter was not just the founder and CEO, but, like a darkest timeline Dave Thomas, its on-camera mascot. However, the combination of commercial fame and immense wealth rotted the man from within and or shed the superficial layers concealing an already rotten core. By the 2010s, photos and videos showed the pizza patriarch at various states of inebriation and cosmetic alteration.

At first known for capping his spots by saying the tagline, better ingredients, better pizza, he turned to slurring his way through barely coherent Instagram videos, including one where he describes a cheeseless pizza with the word salad phrase, it's like dating a redheaded girl with no hair. Schnatter was formerly purged from the company after using a racial slur in a 2018 conference call and while his likeness was removed from marketing, the company still uses his name as its brand. It's like if Subway was named Jared Sandwiches.

Still, the company has improved its standing since Schnatter's departure and is now under the stewardship of former Wendy CEO Todd Pennegar. In 2024, discussing his transition from leading the third largest burger chain to the third largest pizza chain, Pennegar told Nation's Restaurant News, quote, pizza is a lot different from hamburgers. Now that's a fast food mogul who's got his head on straight. This week on Doughboys, the Podcast about chain restaurants. I'm Tiger Weiger along with my co-host, low tea man, master of the spooniverse, the spoon man, Mike Mitchell.

Oh, like he man. I guess that's off of he man, yeah. Low T Man. And the construction started right on time. God damn it. They're installing security cameras here at Head Gum today. Oh, right. Yeah.

Because there's no one ever here, so they want to make sure. I regularly play clips of the show for my doctor husband who does not listen to particularly like it. So I really hope you pick my roast so I can silently stare at him excitedly while I make him listen to you guys read it out. Thanks for all you guys do.

Emily C, never frozen on the dough scord. Hi Emily C, roast at birdfuck.com. Emily C, good, I liked it. A good roast. Yeah. If you watch those security cameras, it will be like a post-apocalyptic movie where there's just like, if you scan through it, there's just nothing.

Nobody is here. Nothing in the office is happening days after days. And then randomly Amelia and I show up at one AM to take a shit. Yeah. Yeah, eventually you see the dough boys come in and go to it once a week. Wags, how, I finished a 93 hour fast.

How about that? 93 hour water fast. Uh, I just finished a 93 hour water fast. Let me tell you how. I don't know. I thought, I thought it'd be, I thought it'd be cool. Like a social media clip. Yeah, it was a cool like start, like way in. I just didn't feel like you had no place a social media clip. Yeah, it was a cool way in.

I just didn't feel like you had no place to go from there. Yeah, it was kinda hard, I don't know. Well, tell us how. I just drank water for 93 hours, it was kinda hard. What was happening to you digestively, brain wise, how were you feeling from hour one all the way till hour 93? I'll say this, from the hour one until I ended, zero BMs.

Wow. Wow. I know, I know. Is that normal? I was Googling and it appeared that some people do have, and I was drinking a lot of water, you know what I mean? Sure. And I had Chipotle before I started, my last meal was Chipotle, so I was like.

Why? And it was, cause I kind of was like, one, I was craving a chicken burrito from Chipotle. And I said this just, we just, we did Gareth Reynolds' pod. That's right. And I was saying, I really like the Chipotle sour cream. Yes.

Which you get it. The Chipotle sour cream is good. It's a good sour cream. I mean, I'm not sure. No one does get it. I'm not sure if I get it. I think there's people... It has a more watery consistency, I guess.

It's not as clumpy. I don't know. It's almost like a marshmallow-y sour cream to me. I love it. You think of it as fluffier. I think of it as more watery. I just think it was more like a crema. It is, yeah, it's a bit like a crema.

I don't think it was watery though. You mean marshmallow like a marshmallow sauce? Yeah, like a marshmallow sauce. Like a marshmallow cream. It's got a thinner consistency than like, you know, like some Daisy sour cream or some Knudsen you'll get from the grocery store. Sure, sure, sure.

Is that how you use it? No, I just say, I just say the K. How do you say, is it Knudsen? I think it's Knudsen. Knudsen. Yeah, might be Knudsen. I just, yeah, I just, look. You were craving Chipotle.

You have that Chipotle burrito. You take that to the dome. You don't drink anything for, or you don't eat anything additionally for 93 hours and you don't take one shit the entire time. And I either, I did seem like I was on drugs at one point. Yeah. I went and saw. Do you think that Chipotle is just turning

into pure like fuel? Like do you think you just digested all of it? I think I converted my Chipotle into pure energy. Wow. Yeah, that sour crema was just running through my veins. Like you tossed that burrito football, tossed it right into the energy. Wow. Yeah, that sour crema was just running through my veins. Like you tossed that burrito football, tossed it right into the sun. That's kind of what happened, I guess.

Wow. I don't know. I went and saw 28 years later. I did too. This is where we'll just say we're recording this episode well in advance, as maybe people can infer. It's within a month of it coming out. It's fine.

Yes, yeah. But the first thing I knew about it from you before I saw it is that there's a big month of it coming out. It's fine. Yes, yeah. But, you know, the first thing I knew about it from you before I saw it is that there's a big hog in it. Yeah, not just for me, it was the Blake check guys. Yeah, but you also thought that was real? I thought it was real at first. That's insane. It's such a huge, it's such a massive flaccid dog.

There's a lot of hogs in this movie. Like, it's like, there's a lot of like, just nude zombies running around. And a lot of them have hogs in their fucking room. Yeah, but you only's a lot of like just nude zombies running around and a lot of them have dogs and they're fucking around. But you only see really kind of the alphas of the ones that you... They focus on the alpha who are the big, you know, the big burly...

And the alphas both have huge dogs. So I think a part of being an alpha in the... An alpha zombie is having this huge dog. Also... I thought it was just... I thought it was just good casting. Like they just found an actor who like had the right look and had a big dick and they're like, hey, there you go, you got the part.

It's huge, it's gigantic. Yeah. It would be like an unusable, it would be like unusable. You think unusable? Yes. I don't know. I'm sure you could find some uses for it, but I'm saying like. Sounds like my guy has some uses for it.

I'm sure, I'm sure that person could find some uses for it, but it's that sort of thing of like, I think you'd be jacking off and be like, I'm sure that person could find some uses for it, but it's that sort of thing of like, I think you'd be jacking off and be like, I'm lightheaded. There'd be too much blood going to you. The Milton Berle. Yes. Sort of that. He had that famous line about when I get an erection, I pass out.

Yeah. I mean, he was a little too proud of his... He loved to show it off. He loved, yeah, yeah. That really holds up the test of time. He loved to show it off. He loved, yeah, yeah. Which is, that really holds up the test of time. He loved to show it off. But he, I, to me, it seems like an unusable hog. It seems unusable.

I mean, sure, fine. I thought it was real. So like, you got me, all right? Danny Boyle, you tricked me. You're pissed off? You found a sucker who thought it was a real hog, but now it's prosthetic. That thing serves a sucker. You can, I'm saying That sounds like you thought of a use for it.

I'm saying it would be hard. You're getting like an eighth. You're not getting a lot of that thing in your mouth if you're even trying. Speak for yourself. Jesus. Things gonna be grazing my uvula. Oh my God. It will go past your uvula, it's huge.

If you've seen the movie, it's gigantic. Burning the tip with acid reflux. Oh my God. All right, I'm buying a ticket to this movie. That's a good movie, I really enjoyed it. The hot comes out with an apple on it, so it's a fucking full apple that you swallowed, I guess apparently.

Wags, coming back from the- Wait, but you were going somewhere. You saw 28 weeks later, this was during the cleanse? Oh, sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like hyped up. I felt like I was on drugs. And I was saying to Rogers, I was like, I know it sounds like an RFK thing,

But it's not an RFK thing. I'm doing this thing and I was just like going, like a million miles per minute. And I was like, oh, I sound crazy. And he's like, the fact that you keep saying it's not an RFK thing makes me feel like it is an RFK thing. And also I was just like, I was like so wired up. The energy it gave me was kind of crazy.

But then I did a walk yesterday. I did like a four mile walk before I ended it and I almost died. Like it really was, it was killing me. What's your first meal on the other end of it? But great question, Mike. I did a fye yogurt. Fun. And I went to my other fruit cart guy,

the other fruit cart guy, Victor wasn't around. And I hope you're doing great, Victor. And I got some mango and watermelon from my other fruit cart guy, this other fruit cart guy. So I ate some of the mango, some of the watermelon, fyey yogurt, and I did bone broth. I know some of that doesn't mix really. And pickles, I had a few pickles. But it was funny because when I first started eating, it happened a little bit earlier with our meal. It was hurting the back of my throat. And I think it's just because I haven't eaten anything

in so long. So this was, yeah, like you got to the cleanse yesterday. We're recording on a Tuesday, you ended on Monday? Yes. Wow, okay. I ended on Monday? Yes. Wow, okay. I ended on Monday. My last meal was Thursday at 630. I finished eating my last meal at Thursday at 630 PM.

And then I had my first bite of food Monday at about 330 PM. Do you plan to make this a regular thing? No. Got it. No, I mean, I might do it again because honestly there were benefits from it. So I might do it again. It is hard. for me. Yeah, so I might do it again.

It is hard, I mean, four days was fucking hard. It's a long time. It's a long time to not eat food. Yeah. And we love food. Yeah, I know. That's why we almost didn't do the place we were gonna do today.

That's true, but you rallied and you said- I rallied. I broke it, I broke three hours earlier than I was going to. I was gonna do a full four days, but I wanted to have two meals in no matter what we did. And so then we got this big sloppy place instead. It was great. There you go.

Um, anyways, wags let's hit them with a drop Emma. Drop loading, drop loading, drop loading. I love the Finch man. I'm the Finch man. Famous cat man. He's a big. He's a big time cat man. Finch Man. I like the Finch Man. Love the Finch Man. Oh it's Ben Affleck's Dick. We love the Finch Man. Thank you the Finch Man. Thank you for joining us. Ben Affleck's Dick the Finch Man. Your kids are gonna love it. Your kids are gonna love it. Ben Affleck's Dink the Fitch, man. Your kids are gonna love it. Your kids are gonna love it.

Ben Affleck's Dink. Your kids are gonna love it. Your kids are gonna love it. The dope was there were cool podcasts back when I was a kid. Meow. We love Ben Affleck's Dink. Irma. Are we gonna get DC, what is it?

DM, DC, DC, DCM-ed. DK said he put it up on YouTube and it did not catch the copyright scrubs. Hey, all right. All right. I guess we'll find out if Spotify feels the same. Hey, Spoonman, here's a stupid drop that I made. I was inspired by your most recent episode

with Warren McGuire. Okay, so this is- It's an the whole drop. This is December 8th, 2022 is this email. I have so many dishes. Are people just not sending drops in anymore? No, there's a particular reason he picked this one. I think it's at the end of the email.

I have so many dishes and dirty clothes to clean, but I made this instead. I know you and Nick are extremely hard on yourselves, but I wanted to mention how much joy I get out of your podcast. I'm up in Toronto, Canada. Wow. And I can't even try most of the food you review.

Maybe that's a good thing, question mark. Despite that, I can't get enough of you and Nick's relationship and the way you think. Your show has been, we've never been, I mean, no one's ever thought of us as much as thinkers, so that's kind of nice. No, I don't know. I think we're pretty good.

Kind of the philosopher kings of our age. Hey, I like that. Your show has been a legitimate help in getting me through this pandemic as someone with mental health issues. You're both a lot better guys than you give yourself credit. That's very kind of you. Ah, one nice thing to say.

I hope you enjoy Don't Hate the Drop and please come to Toronto sometime. Thanks, John. We did it. We did it, we did it, John. I hope you were there. I hope we were there. I don't listen to podcasts anymore.

John might not listen to the podcast anymore. P.S., old university friends with Steve from the band Pup. What? And I love that you folks all know each other. Wow. Loved seeing you in the video for Matilda, which is, which, wow. As the kids say, that's a banger of a song, by the way.

This is me. This is me editorializing this. PPS, I also loved you in Love. I think you stole the show as Randy. That's very kind. Wow. That's nice. Thank you.

Those very nice words. Wow. What's nice, thank you. That's very nice words. Wow, what a transition point. And roast at birdfuck.com, let's just bring him in here now. I love it. From Pup, Steve Slitkowski is here, hi Steve. Hi, thank you for being here. Yeah, I won the fuck a fan contest.

This is crazy. You get to choose which one of us fuck you. Both, Brooks Emythe or Tower? Does John have a last name? Well, I could tell. He just wrote John. I'll bleep it if you. Oh, OK.

His name is John. We'll bleep it. Yeah, just say we can bleep it. Oh my god. Amazing. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Hi, John. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Cool. We got Pup. Why is Pup is here? We got Pup Pup is here. Now, you just mentioned it., that's great. Cool. We got Pup, why is Pup is here? We got Pup Pup's here.

Now you just mentioned it, the video that Mitch is in. Yep. How great was that? Amazing. How did that come together? I think we pitched, or Jeff Dutton might have written the pitch and sent it to us, or we reached out to him for a pitch.

Right. Yeah, I think just kind of with music videos for us now, it's like the less work we have to do, the better. Sure. Like we made a lot of really involved music videos kind of early on. But yeah, I love it. You guys still put out great music videos.

And I think it's a lot of lost art in the music world. I think that there's a lot of a. The Finch Man came up for music videos. That's true. It is. It's his lot lost art in the music worldwags. I think that there's a lot of... The Finch Man came up from music videos. That's true. It is. It's his origin story. As did, what's his name? Who made Zone of Interest?

Oh, right. Not gonna be able to pull his name right now. Jonathan Glazer. Jonathan Glazer, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that was cool. And yeah, I don't think he told us that you were gonna be in it. Oh, wow.

And so when we like got the cut, I was like, ugh! Like, uh, um, yeah, you play a very convincing, uh, pawn shop greaseball. Oh, yeah, it was, I mean, it was a blast. I slicked my hair back. Have you, have you seen the music video? Yeah.

You have? Yeah. Hmm, I don't know if he has. I've seen it. I think we watched it. We watched it. On an episode, right before an episode when it came out.

It was, I was, it was an honor to be a part of it. It was cool as hell. It was, that was, that record kind of came together during the pandemic, speaking of. And definitely was like, oh, maybe I don't have a job anymore, you know? I don't know if you guys felt that way. No, 100%.

I like destroyed my YouTube algorithm during the pandemic because I would just be like on my couch, like kind of maybe stoned, maybe a little drunk, and be like, what is, what do I do? Right. I would just like watch like old live clips so it just looks like on my couch, like kind of maybe stoned, maybe a little drunk and be like, what is, what do I do? Right. I would just like watch like old live clips. So it just looks like I sit at home and watch myself like on YouTube.

Oh, wow. Oh, sure. But like in the like depths of like pandemic depression, I was like. Will I ever do that again? Yeah, like it was very strange. But that record kind of was the sort of first thing that we kind of did in the pandemic

and kind of coming out of the pandemic. I mean, it was like, I think that was another thing for me too, just as an actor, I was like, hey, I get to go and have like a fun role for the day. And it was a fucking blast. I love doing it. We should talk about this because- And directing me again wise on top of it. I love doing it. We should talk about this because... And Guttin directing me again, wise, on top of it.

Yeah, very cool. Because we certainly experienced this as podcasters, where we had that moment where we were like, oh, this is maybe just over. But pretty quickly on, we saw our numbers go up, and we're like, oh, wait, no, people actually are feeling lonely and isolated right now, and so it's comforting to have the familiar voices.

So podcasting is primarily a studio enterprise. Like, we are like, oh, we're actually gonna be okay. But, you know, as a musician, so much of your livelihood is via touring. And that was just, like, completely shut down for a time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we were, like, we were on the road. We're, like, pretty sure in, like, early 2020,

like, COVID kind of ripped through our bus before everybody knew what it was. Because a couple of the guys were the sickest I've ever seen them. You guys also, we should say this, one of your openers was the Wuhan bat at that point. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We wanted lab leak 2020.

I've got to do a ton of Wuhan bats. Have you ever seen the Wuhan bat live? They're good, yeah. No, he's well, him himself. Oh, I thought you were saying like the Aquabats. Like they were like a group. You're saying it's one guy. Yeah, it's the Wuhan.

OK, I'll take it again. Yeah, I've seen him. He's good. I'm going to use that second. SoundCloud rapper, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know what, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what?

You know who could have helped us? Ozzy Osbourne, if he bit the hat off of that bat, it would have been. It might have made things worse. It may have made things worse. Yeah. Yeah. I guess Ozzy would have gotten it.

Yeah, that's the thing. But if Ozzy put an end to that wool hand bat, that's what I'm saying. Are you uncomfortable with me? I think if Ozzy is patient zero, I think he might turn into an alpha. That'd be the worst case scenario. That is the worst.

Or is he like the Mr. Burns, like all the germs, they just kind of like, it stops in his body? That would, I mean, there's a chance that he could have saved us in that way. Also, if he becomes an alpha, does his hog grow? How does it work? Um, I think my headcanon is yes, it grows. Because I think they're just all, they're getting bigger all around.

I think that the hogs do grow. I think they do grow. I think they do grow. I mean, scientifically. Scientifically would make sense. Yeah, scientifically it makes a ton of sense. I think, I hope that there's some clarification on this in the new 28 years later, which is coming out in like January.

Yeah, we're getting a sequel coming soon. So hopefully. Have you seen the movie yet? I haven't seen it yet, but my question about it was, is it like, was it more than the Nosferatu hog? Like was it bigger than the Nosferatu? I never saw Nosferatu. Okay. Spoiler. Yeah, no, I, trust me,

Weiger already told me that you see the Nosferatu hog. Yeah, it was bigger. Okay. I think that, cause the Nosferatu one, I was like, I think, I wish they'd made more of a choice there. I wish it had either been like huge or just kind of like little. Just give me something where it's like, oh,

I get what's going on with Nosferatu. Oh, no wonder he's so mad. Yeah. You weren't happy with the size of the hog in general in Nosferatu. No, I just think it could have been more of a choice. It's just kind of a nondescript. It's like a normal hog.

A normal? Normal to big hog, but not like a, you know, I just think that it could have been more of a choice. It was just kind of a nondescript, like it's like a normal hog. A normal, just normal? Normal to big hog, but like not like, like you know, it's not notable. Like the alpha one, He always just thinks hogs are. The alpha one, everyone. You thought Ben Affleck's hog was just normal in Gone Girl.

He looks fine. When you're watching. And also it was a prosthetic we found out. Every viewer, apparently it was a prosthetic or a CGI, I don't know. Yeah. But every viewer of 28 Weeks Later comes away going like, wow, that thing is really something. Because it's fake, of course.

No, but it's like big. Like, that one is like really, like, notably big. And not surrounded, you don't have to. I feel better. There's a lot of bird nesters like myself out there. I think that I never knew. Wait, let's go back to where you were before we went on this tangent.

You think everyone is, people are getting sick on the tour bus before this is widespread. You're on the road and then everything shuts down. Yeah, so we were like, we were basically, like, trying to outrun the, like, states closing down. Oh, sure, right. So we would like, we... That's why your puss is, like,

making it out of the state as it closes down. Yeah, exactly. Like, ah-ha-ha! But yes, we played, we were So we would like, we- That's why your puss is like making it out of the state as it closes down. Yeah, we're like, ah, ha, ha. It's like, ah, ha, ha. But yes, we played, we were on the West Coast, like we played in Washington. We did like, I think Spokane and like Seattle. And those dates were kind of like,

it was starting to get weird. Like you could just kind of, ugh, like what's going on? Like we had a bunch, the show in Seattle was sold out and a bunch of people no-showed. Wow. Oh man, yeah. And they were like, the's going on? Like we had a, the show in Seattle was sold out and a bunch of people no-showed. Wow. And they were like, the venue was like giving gloves to like merch people. Is this like, do you know what,

is this specifically March of 2020? This was, yeah, like February, March, 2020. And so like, we finished that show in Seattle and then like at midnight, as we were going to Oregon, our show would have been illegal had we. Wow. Whoa. So it was literally like, we were 24 hours ahead of all the state shutdowns.

And then by the time we played, the Rudy Gobert day was like, we were in Oregon. Hey, we were also touring on this day. Yeah, we were in Denver. And we were supposed to play in San Francisco and Sacramento. And we got to Redding, like, you know, Northern California there. And everything was shut down.

So the last meal we had was at an Applebee's or something in Redding. And I think for the longest time, it was like, oh, that's the last restaurant I'll ever go to. Yeah. A possibility. Applebee's or something in Redding. And I think for the longest time, it was like, I was like, oh, that's the last restaurant I'll ever go to. Yeah. A possibility. We flew out of San Francisco,

and the San Francisco airport was a ghost town. It was truly one of the most apocalyptic, strange. And then I was home for, and I was like, I don't know, two years? Yeah. They essentially shut Canada the day after we got back. It was, it was wild. It's here. I mean, you could have been one of those stories of like, we got stuck in wherever

we got stuck in Oklahoma and we're here for that. I mean, that like people who went on vacation and then got stuck and like, wasn't that, wasn't there someone who got like stuck like out of the country and like Costa Rica or something? There was like a lot of- There were like cruise ships and stuff that got stuck out at sea. There's like people who like went,

yeah, there's people who went on like a tropical vacation and were like, we're stuck here. But it's all over now, so we're fine. Yeah, we're good. It's all over now, yeah. I'm not suffering from the effects of it still. No, certainly not. It's funny, this will show you,

I mean, I'm glad that you're back touring again. And then, so Matilda, the album is the Unraveling of the Band Pup. Is that correct? Yeah, of Pup the Band, yeah. Yeah, of Pup the Band. Thank you, sorry. And was that album, did you guys write that

during the pandemic? Yeah. So we were fully masked up in our rehearsal space, air purifiers, the whole thing. Sure, sure. And then we were in a mansion in Connecticut that was a recording studio, so we were not going out, kind of living in this.

That's kind of fun, and then you have to see people and stuff like that a little bit, right? And then, but yeah, that all kind of was, it's just such such a strange. I'm glad we did that. I'm glad we have that. I think in a similar way that I'm sure like when you guys were recording, it was probably like, Oh, this is like a time capsule in a way that like us doing this is kind of, it's not the same.

Like it's cool to be here obviously, but I feel like it's so interesting to have that like records and movies and like podcasts and all that sort of stuff that happened in the pandemic is like a weird kind of capsule. I gotta say this. Yeah. That album rocks. Oh, thank you, man. I say, if you know what,

if a pandemic is gonna lead to an album like that, bring them on, bring on more pandemics. That's right. Well, another thing that happened as a byproduct of the pandemic, we did a live stream for one of our Munch Madness finales, and Pup did a song for it. That ruled. A restaurant,

which we showed to everyone. And it was like one of those things that was just like such a, we knew people would love it because it was great, but like the audience response was like so like overwhelming. It was kind of one of those things that in hindsight actually were kind of mad at you because you just were very, very good.

Well. And we sucked. And then we were like, the fries are too salty, or whatever the fuck we did. I feel like we were very true to Doughboys, though, because Nestor, his very talented wife, was the one who actually wrote all the lyrics. Oh, wow. The four of us, she rewrote.

So the more successful wives. That's probably, I think, it felt like the right thing for that. But it was cool. All those things, you would never thought. I don't know. It was a strange time. It was. I'll just, a quick anecdote, which we talked about before,

is I came out to the Salt Lake City show in an N95 mask, and the audience laughed. Yeah. I mean, it was a joke at the time, but then we did a meet and greet afterwards, but the funny thing for us is that why, remember, we did the meet and greet, and we were just putting fucking...

I was just standing there, the big bottle of hand sanitizer, asking people to use it, and some people said no. No, I'm good. They mostly said no. People mostly said no, and then we would, I mean, every hand we shook, we would do it basically. But, and we somehow, by the grace of God, did not catch it on that tour where we were

on stage when Rudy Gobert made that announcement. Wiggs announced it to the audience. But Wiggs, the thing that you said that was gonna happen, the thing that we thought was gonna happen that didn't was that you were, it was like, oh, we're all gonna do it. Once we figured out Zoom, it's like, oh, podcasting is now just a Zoom thing. You have a home office and you do it.

And then to your credit, you were like, I wanna record in person. And I was down to do that, of course. But you were like, we should record in person again. And then we did do it. And it was so much better for the show. And then also, for you guys, I'm sure, just being able to go on the road is just like, thank God

we can do it again. Yeah, for sure. It's been really nice. I think I'm definitely more appreciative coming out of that over the last three, four years, however long it's been. It's just like, oh, this is not something to take for granted. I think we've been on the road for so long

that you definitely can run into that a little bit. And it's nice to feel like the meals on tour you are more appreciative of. And the shows themselves and just being able to get up and go to a museum or something if you have a day off, like all that sort of stuff where before I was kind of like, oh fuck, all right, I'll just do it.

You know, it's like, it's, it's, it is kind of nice to be able to have that. So you just mentioned museums. I know you live in Toronto, you're from Toronto. I was up there for the first time last year. We had Toronto Dough, we did our month of Toronto shows and I had a great time. Little Canada, I was absolutely charmed by.

Yes, yes, yes. One of Canada's finest museums. Oh, I don't know. It's akin to a museum. But have you been able to bake it out to Little Canada? I haven't yet. I actually didn't know about it until you guys started talking about it on the pod. So... Gotta get Pup in there. Yeah, we gotta go check it out. You gotta get Pup in there. Yeah, we gotta go check it out.

You gotta get Pup in there. Yeah, it just put us, it might be the, like we're doing some, I guess by the time this comes out, we'll have done the shows already, but we're doing a whole thing in Toronto for like a week at a bunch of different venues. So maybe that'll be the crowning kind of a moment.

Yeah, just little lies ourselves. But yeah, no, I- Just make sure when you're there to get little lies and don't get downsized, right? Well, I just wanna give you a warning. You don't wanna get downsized because you can't reverse that. And then you just have to live in Little Canada.

So just a warning. And I don't know if there is a downsizing option at Little Canada, but... Like, did it cost more, do we know? Like, yeah, what is... I think they're very, they're on a board next to each other and it's kind of confusing. It's easy to pick the wrong one.

Yeah. I mean with the cost of living in Toronto, it might be cheaper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you live in Canada. Ah. Ah. Ah.

You guys could be outside of like a music venue. There was that place I walked by that, maybe the Stone, like the Stones famously played at. Oh, the El Macombo? Is that, is that what it, it's on the, it's like on one of those long busy streets. Yeah, on Spadina, yeah, yeah, yeah. Spadina, does Spadina go right up to the university? It sure does, yeah.

Okay. Ironically, that is the venue that we first played coming back from COVID, and I'm pretty sure that's where I got COVID for the first time. Wow! Wow! You know what? Just looking at that place from the outside, it looks like a place you could get from a bit.

Yeah, I think they're selling it right now at a loss. It was like a Dragon's Den guy who poured a bunch of money in. Dragon's Den, the Canadian equivalent of Shark Tank. Yes, yes, yes. And yeah, it was definitely not well done. The venue used to be a crumbling, kind of shitty, but charming. Right.

What was the name again? The Elma Combo. The Elma Combo. Yeah, it was like famous. You know, my dad would be like, oh, I saw like all these like old blues guys there in like the 60s and 70s. Oh, no.

And then they just tried to make it this like modern, like cool, like this is where you come and have your like, uh, your birthday party or like, we're gonna have rock bands. And they tried to put like a recording studio that was like floating in the upstairs. And like, so they had a recording studio above a loud rock venue. And like it just, yeah, right?

Just like installing security cameras while people are recording a podcast. Makes no sense. Yeah, the sign is famous. The sign is pretty great. Um, uh, just like installing security cameras while people are recording a podcast. Yeah. The sign is famous. The sign is pretty great. It's a great sign. That looks like that's famous. That's so many, so many of the, uh, transpo guys were like, a lot of them

like crossover to like roadies and territory like that. And then they were no, while they were driving me, they'd be like, that's the stones would play there and stuff like that. It was cool. It was cool. It was great. Sparky. I sparky.

I don't think it was a road. I drove Mick Jagger once now I'm like that. It was cool. It was great. Sparky, Sparky, I don't think it was a roadie. I drove Mick Jagger once, now I'm driving you. Yeah. There was one. Two rockers. Yeah. Yeah. I've had sex once.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, there was, I won't name them by name, but there was like, uh, I shouldn't even say this. All right.

There were some transfer guys that were like, it was crazy back on the day, man. I worked on The Fly and like the movie The Fly. Yeah. Cronenberg's The Fly and he's like, I had done coke so much, I was up for 80 hours and I was driving Gina Davis. And I was like, oh man,

Gina Davis could've gotten fucking killed. And that's by the way, not Sparky, that's all I'll say. Sparky is not guilty. All of our industries used to be so cool. Yeah. Yeah. It was so, I mean, so many of the stories was just like,

I would get, we were just doing Coke in the Transpo, I was so much of that stuff and I was like, oh jeez. I mean, I'm happy my drivers weren't, like, specifically transpo drivers weren't like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, definitely. Oh, like then I got the chilled out guys. Anyway, Gina Davis almost died, I'm sure. I feel like the equivalent for us is like,

when you get like a bus driver, cause we're like lucky to be on a tour bus now most of the time, but the bus drivers have some fucking stories. Oh, sure. And just like, yeah, we had this guy Ringo once who lived on an island in the Gulf, like off of the coast of Alabama,

who's just like, yeah, I eat squirrel. And we were like, hell yeah, Ringo. Like, yeah, cool, man. Like, just like, you know, hearing weird stories, he was like, yeah, once I was like, maroon fiber on my bus and something crazy happened. You're like, okay, sure, ah, once I was like, maroon five were on my bus and something crazy happened. You're like, okay, sure, man. Transpo people are maybe some of,

I mean this in a good way, are some of the craziest fucking people in the world and they are like, they have very interesting stories and they live hard, I guess is the way to put it, is Transpo people specifically. So I used to work on Comedy Central's At Midnight. The stage director there and his number two was this guy, John Stewart, who's Kristen Stewart's father.

Of The Daily Show, right? Yeah, same dude guy. J-O-H-N Stewart, Hollywood guy, he's worked forever, you know, shoulder length, gray hair, great guy. His number two, the guy right underneath him was named Bones, just like his full name on the call sheet was Bones. They were both great, but they just had endless stories.

Both men are in Hollywood forever, they leave set each day in the same convertible. And then you talk about- And now they're on at midnight talking to fucking your ass, too. I know. You're gonna throw the stone at me. It sucks.

They're talking to me. They're talking to my dumb ass. And every story is like, this isn't a real one, but somebody's like, I was working with Nick Nolte, he shot me with a BB gun. It's like, fuck. It's like. Anyway, Weigar, sorry, we don't have any Coke Zero.

Yeah, yeah. Like, ow. Yeah, it's, it's, it's great. Anyway, Weigar, sorry we don't have any Coke Zero. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh. Yeah, it's great. Like, we were on a bus once, and the band before us was Gwar, when that were on the bus. Oh, yeah. Wow.

And we were just like, oh, well, we don't have space come. Like, I don't know. What are you? I'm like, is there ice for my whiskey? It's just like, ugh. You open a cabinet to put some of your clothes away, and blood just comes out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, guah.

Yeah. What weird tentacle porno DVD is this? Who left this? Wait, so I know you're on the road a lot. You mentioned food earlier. And you mentioned that last visit to an Applebee's before everything shut down. But if you are touring, what are the clutch spots

you want to stumble upon? Yeah, I think it totally depends where we are, right? Sure. Definitely trying the regional stuff. I don't eat a ton of meat anymore, but for the vast majority of the touring time, any fast food kind of stuff. I don't eat a ton of meat anymore, but for the vast majority of the shorting time, any fast food kind of stuff, again, I think I was telling you guys before we started,

that's how we discovered Doughboys initially was like, oh, we're touring through the US and going to a lot of these places. And so it's like, oh, we can check out the chain. I'm sorry, by the way. Oh, no. I mean, hey, I get, I think, how you guys, the way you guys talk about what you have to do for the pod

feels a lot like touring. Where sometimes, like, you're like, I would love to eat well. And you're like, well, I have 20 minutes. So, like, McDonald's it is, I guess, you know? But McDonald's has always been, was always a go-to. Well, the other issue, just from what we know too, and I'm sure this is the same thing too,

you wrap up a show, it's 10 or 10.30 or sometimes even 11 by the time you get out of there, what are you gonna eat for dinner? Yeah, nothing's open. There's nothing open, and we've been in cities, kind of remote-ish places where we're like, what the fuck are we gonna do? And it has been McDonald's. It was McDonald's.

Yeah, there's a lot of that. Sometimes we'll do a post-show pizza. You know, if there's a local pizza chain or a local kind of spot that is good. Or if you're somewhere weird, regional, like St. Louis has St. Louis pizza. Right, sure. We try and do some of that stuff to kind of,

you know, the more you travel, the more you kind of realize how proud people are of that stuff, which I think is really cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a really good way to kind of just like learn a little bit about where you are. Because I definitely, the way it sounds like, like that's a really interesting approach

that's kind of taking advantage of the regional variants because I've talked to other road warriors who are like, no, I just want to find a Chipotle in every city. It's just like, whatever's- Mel Gibson? What's that? Mel Gibson? Gibson specifically. The road warrior? Okay, yeah. Him and Master Blaster.

The idea that you just get to a city and just something I know is going to be there. I just eat Subway all the time because Subway is ubiquitous and I know I can get my solid Subway order. But you're actually saying, hey, if I'm in a region that has a Waffle House, I'm going to get Waffle House. Yeah, Waffle House is a great one.

When we kind of discovered the Waffle House breakfast, you're like, oh, that's awesome. At the time when we were kind of in a van, that was definitely more of a thing, because you are sort of eating on the road. Whereas with the bus now, with rider stuff, we'll actually put whole wheat bread on the rider and have veggies and hummus and cold cuts

and vegetarian cold cuts. And that'll be on the bus. So after show, we're not always like, like killing ourselves, it feels like. I mean, not that eating cold cuts is like the best thing for you. But like, it was a step up before we got. But yeah, no, I think like that's,

for me, if I need something reliable, I almost will do like, just like a cuisine that I trust. So I'll be like, oh, there's always gonna be like an Indian restaurant, or there's always gonna be like a Thai restaurant in every city. That is like usually pretty good. And if you like have that choice fatigue, which I feel like on the road, the number of choices of like, okay, I just feel like I made my decision on lunch.

Now I have to think about dinner and like, well, usually that's like a joyful thing sometimes. Uh, you can do a four day fast. Now I have to think about dinner. And like, well, usually that's like a joyful thing. Sometimes- Or you could do a four day fast. You don't have to do it by yourself. Yeah, yeah. And no shitting on top of that. Pure energy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was, yeah, there was nothing. Nothing came out of my body, basically. That's so intense. I just feel like that would be unnerving for me. Yeah, it might stress me out. I'm a little stressed for you right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm still stressed.

I mean, look, something's coming out after what a little stressed for you right now. And it's done. I'm still stressed. Look, something's coming out after what we ate today. There's no doubt about it. I totally get that. The analysis paralysis, I feel that all the time. I love for decisions to be made for me. Well, I feel like at a venue, the food is either very, very bad. It's either trash, or weirdly, it a venue that has like Michelin food.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, this venue is known to have great food and you'll have like a great, great food. The Sinclair in Boston is kind of like that. Okay. They have like a great. I love the Sinclair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have like a great restaurant attached

and they're like, here's like $300 worth of food and you're like, cool. Yeah, that's cool. Thanks, guys. Yeah, so, but that's a few, that happens I feel, more in Europe, like for us, like there's, they have a bunch of government money,

like in a lot of the venues, so there will be a restaurant, or there'll be like, oh, you get a deal, like, you know, this beautiful, like, wine bar across the street. Wow. And you're like, oh, okay. Yeah, that really is.

Cool, we shouldn't be here, but thank you. That's like, we're not fancy enough for this, but. Right. We need to get the, we need the Doughboyz bus. I mean, I think if we used a bus for one tour, we'd be like $70,000 in debt, but we should still. The Doughbus, if you will? The Doughbus. The issue is, is that not only does he not like to fly,

he doesn't like to drive. It would also be a repeat of the Dave Matthews band bus tour. You know the amazing, the amazing thing about that is like, it is so expensive to shit in a bus. Right. You're really not supposed to shit in a bus. We've been told this by other people. And I also have heard from that dumping

that it was mostly piss, right? Piss in like whatever the water. And also, you're the guy who gets the one turd. God damn it. You're not supposed to be doing that up there. Yeah. The piss I can handle. I've said it before, Chicagoans were lucky

to have the fucking Dave Matthews. Fucking dirty Chicagoans got, you were blessed with Dave Matthews shit. Yeah. And all you Zoomers like to joke about it. Yeah. But I have heard that it was Dave Matthews' band took the hit for their opening act is what I heard.

Interesting. I heard that it wasn't their bus that did it. First of all, it's not even their fault. Now you're in RFK territory. It's conspiracy theories. Also the blue stuff in the toilet's worth drinking. I was recently... My wife's from Kentucky and grew up around horses and stuff,

but we were recently at a tack shop near Toronto, because she's wanting to get back into riding and stuff. And there was... They sell ivermectin, and there was a display. There was a fucking display at the cash. Where's, whereabouts is it? Yeah. It's in Ajax, Ontario.

Oh, no. But there was, like, a display that was like, you cannot, this is not for human consumption. Right. All right. And I was like, it's 2025. Yeah, that's crazy. That's still, but yeah, the blue stuff, drink the blue stuff, take the ivermectin.

Methylene blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And check yourself with bleach, I think that was a good one. That there was stuff that when I went to my doctor and we were discussing long COVID, I was like, I just want you to know, I like, I'm not trying to get methylene blue or something. I like, it is this annoying thing of like,

I'm not that crazy, whatever. People don't believe that it exists, why exists is the other issue with long COVID is that people don't believe that it exists, Wags, is the other issue with long COVID, is that people don't think it exists. Yeah, I mean, like where is the science on that? Is there, cause I honestly haven't done, you would have done way more research than me. The science is that there's like no way to actually prove,

there's like a cap test that they do and stuff like that. And like, people have COVID antibody, like I think there's like, people who have high COVID antibodies antibodies maybe a sign of it, but there is like no real test for long COVID, which is the annoying thing. It reminds me of Gulf War Syndrome back in the day, which were a bunch of people who like served in the Gulf War,

came back and just had a bunch of like illnesses that no one could wrap their head around, but they're like, we're just still not, there's just no actual data on what it was. Yeah, except now it's like one in 10 people. Yeah, sure, yeah. It's like it has, yeah, it has. I believe you, I's like one in 10 people. Yeah, sure, yeah. It's like it has, yeah, it has. I believe you.

I just, I haven't done any research and do it. It's, but yeah, that ambiguity. You sound like a little RFK yourself. That ambiguity, I feel like that's the most frustrating thing when you have something that you want treatment for and just like, they're just like, yeah, we don't fucking know, I don't know. I mean, multiple people when I was like,

I'm pretty sure for a year and a half I've had, and I thought that even when I first was dealing with it, to be clear, and I never was publicly saying it, but then also I told two people, no, that doesn't exist, stuff that our friends, and then like even when I was first talking to my doctor about it, he's like, hmm, I don't know, and you're like, dude, a year and a half ago,

I got these symptoms and it was completely different. And then since then, it's been much better in the year and a half. Like whatever, this is a year and a half of going to the doctor, but. It's kind of crazy. You see 28 weeks later, you know, that alpha had long COVID, no I mean. If he grew up around horses, he would have fit right in. Wait, you mentioned Louis. Check this out.

The, Jimmy's ears. I know, Jimmy's ears. I know, it's in. Wait, you mentioned Louis. Check this out. Jimmy's ears on my leg. I know, Jimmy's ears on your leg. He's very cute. He's very cute. Okay, so, but you mentioned Kentucky. Yes. And there is a Louisville connection.

Your wife grew up around there, and that does bring us in a way to Papa John's. It does, yeah. The funniest, probably the funniest thing about all of that for me is I am a Kentucky Colonel. Wow. Wow. Which is like my mother-in-law at one year Christmas just like handed me a wrapped like, you know, big kind of like sheet essentially and opened it. And it was like, you are a Kentucky Colonel.

And I was like, well, clearly this can't be that hard to get. No, it's like buying a store. Yeah, but yeah, my wife is a Kentucky Colonel. She like served in the state house and in Frankfurt And you know has the distinct dishonor of meeting Mitch McConnell and like weird weird stuff But yeah, the freeze up on her at all. Yeah I have a friend, my friend Tom, who actually has a podcast called The Trillbillies,

which I'm sure you guys know about. He's convinced that the Mitch McConnell freeze up is just like the angel of death, like over the shoulder of the camera being like, I'm coming for you, man. It's like, not soon enough, Jesus. But yeah, so Kentucky was a place that we'd played before. And I kind of like, Louisville was cool.

And after she and I met, spending a lot of time there, just like, what a bizarre place. Like, yeah, and then you're like, Yum Brands is from Louisville. And like, Papa John's, like this whole strange fast food ecosystem is there. Yeah, fast food royalty. Yeah, yeah, it's really...

Yeah, Papa John's originally from Indiana, but there is a strong Louisville association. Across the river, so wherever that bar that he started in, I think it's just right across the Ohio River. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, Louisville's cool. It's like a, have you guys, you guys never been? Never been, no.

Yeah, it's fun. Like, I think my wife thought I was like trying to impress her, I was like, oh, it's the coolest bee market in America. And she was like, what is a bee market? I'm like, right, you're not sick like me. Like, treat different cities like based on their population and how many tickets you're supposed to sell there.

You don't think, normal people don't think like that. Yes. But yeah, no, it's super cool. Um, uh, yeah. When you said bee market, I did immediately think of a market where you can buy bees. Or that's filled with bees, basically. I don't know what you thought. No, I mean, I was also thinking like a,

like a, you know, honey bees were there. And like, you know, other bees. Bears with like, carps. You know the fried chicken, but have you considered the Kentucky apiaries? We've never done bee markets. We are a bee show. Yeah, I think so.

But we would like to do some of those places. I mean, we're never- Because we both have bee cups? Bee cups? I don't think so. That's what we're calling the tour, the be cups tour. The be cup tour. I wonder what size bra are they called bros for boys?

Are there boy bras or is that just what people would say? Anyone can wear a bra. Sure, yeah. All right, well, yeah, sure. I'm saying if. But are there ones marketed towards men in the same way they make like dude soap or whatever? Yeah, yeah.

It's like a black bar of soap. I wondered if there really was a dude bra. That is, you dude soap or whatever? It's like a black bar of soap. I wondered if there really was a dude bra. You know what, Mitch, I bet there is some sort of branding that's just sort of like... And it's probably like 30% cheaper than the women's... Right. It's cheaper and it's got like camouflage on it

for whatever reason. Yeah. There's so much stuff like that that's just like, the man's wallet, finally a wallet for men. What are you talking about? Probacode dough for 20% off your man wallet. Isn't that like, there's a weird John Doe product. I'm just having fun thinking of going home with a girl

and being like, I mean, this is clearly a fantasy. A fantasy. Going home with a girl and being like, undo my man bra. Your man's Z. And she does it with one hand and I'm being like, undo my man bra. You're manzier. And she does it with one hand, I'm like impressive. Yeah. I'm like, ah.

Not your first time. Not your first time I see undoing a man bra. Wait, so you're like, so you spent some time in Louisville. Yep. We know, we've learned that bee market does not involve actual bees. Do you like, is there any local eats as someone who, like, tries to find some sort of food

in every territory? Is there any sort of local eat specific to Louisville or Kentucky in general? Yeah, I mean, I think fried chicken is, like, all kidding aside, there is, I haven't done it yet, but I've really wanted to go with one of the, like, original Sanders family, like, buffets, because KFC started of the like, original Sanders family like buffets, cause KFC started as like a buffet.

Right. It's still open, like just outside of Louisville. We've not done it yet, but you know, there's a place called Lee's famous recipe or Lee's original recipe, which is kind of like a local like KFC competitor. Yeah, which is really awesome. And I don't know, there's the hot brown sandwich, I guess.

Oh yeah, yeah. I've still not had one. Yes. There's a lot of stuff that I think I kind of miss the boat now with not eating as much meat. Right. But pizza is a food that you can really indulge in and the absence of meat is not even an issue.

Hot brown sandwich bad name. Yeah. I agree. It sounds like a turd. It does, yeah. It does sound like a turd sandwich. Turd sandwich. Yeah.

But I do, I am interested in trying it. Yeah, there's like a tomato on it. I'm just like hot and gravy. I don't know if, yeah. I kind of want it to be all beef and gravy. Yeah, yeah. Um, I, uh, oh my God, I lost my brain.

We were talking about pizza. We were talking about, was that where your mind was headed? I have no idea. Hot brown sandwich, eating turds. You were talking about eating turds? Hey, what was I talking about eating turds? I mean, you brought it up. Oh, there was something I was going to say about beat cups and now it's lost me.

We'll get back to it. Hot brown also makes me think of coffee. Oh yeah, in a sketch I used to call it Hot Brown. Thank you, Emma. But anyways, that's maybe what I was gonna say. Sorry, I froze up, I did a Mitch McConnell. I saw the angel of death behind the camera. The angel of death.

The Papa John's just hit your stomach. Yeah, that's right. There's like the lore of the Colonel Sanders grave in Louisville, where apparently like the 11 herbs and spices or whatever it is, like five and a half of them are buried with Colonel Sanders. Wow. So like it's a proprietor. I don't know if it's like an urban legend or something, but.

How can half of a spice be buried? No, the recipe, like they've like literally torn the original recipe card or something. Yeah, he's buried in this place in Louisville called Cave Hill. And this is again, all stuff my wife has told me, but like they had to put a moratorium on people bringing like memorial chicken to Colonel Sanders grave.

They're like, there's too many like varmints, like raccoons and stuff. They hire the doughboys. Yeah, yeah, police, Colonel Sanders grave. But yeah, and then Muhammad Ali, there's like two lines. There's like two lines in Cave Hill Cemetery. One goes to Colonel Sanders and then one goes to Muhammad Ali.

It's really a study in contrast. Yeah, on the hardware set, yes. That's like in Atlanta, there's the Coca-Cola Museum and the Civil Rights Museum, like right across from each other. And so many dopey Americans are just waddling into the Coca-Cola Museum, including me. Yeah, which one did we visit?

Including me, including me. That's true. Including me. Me and Emma, too. Yeah, we were there. I went to the Civil Rights Museum, it was great. I believe it's a Civil Rights Museum. I don't see, this is me not even knowing.

I went, I believe it. I don't know if that's the name of it. Let's see here, I'll find out. I was gonna say that, I just don't know that, it's funny to me, like in the South, just how readily available fried chicken, like you know what I mean? Like here it's like, how readily available fried chicken, like, you know what I mean? Like, here it's like, you want some fried chicken,

you're going to like one of the fried chicken spots here. Uh... Yeah, there, I mean, there are some... You can find spots like, like, Honey's Kettle or Dinah's, there are like local fried chicken establishments here. But there... There's so many buffets I went to. Yes, it's not as, it's not as omnipresent.

Yeah, that's that I think they're the LA has the like Korean fried chicken thing to like The Prince right? Like yeah, I've been there before and that was like awesome I had a bunch on we talked about the podcast. Yeah, yeah, you chicken Which are Korean chains that have outposts in LA So what is your talking about pizza generally before we get into Papa John's, like what is your favorite pizza? And that can be like a chain, it could be a local Toronto spot,

it can be just like a type of pizza, but what are you really hoping for? Yeah, I think for me, I used to be very much like the works, like give me the whole, like the deluxe, sausage, everything, peppers, mushroom, like as much, like a real like floppyuxe sausage, everything, peppers, mushrooms, like as much, like a real floppy kind of, just like, not to quote that guy,

he shall not be named. But like, I think more now, I'm very much into like simple, like a handful of ingredients, like a nice of ingredients. Uh, um, you know, like a, a nice, like veggie, veggie pie, but, uh, Toronto, it's like, we have maker, you have like, which is Maddie Matheson's place and like, um, I had maker when I was up there. Yeah.

I make it pretty good. Super point, which is another, uh, Toronto chain and, um, North of Brooklyn is really good too. North of Brooklyn is fantastic. Yeah. That's the, that's the one I was raving about. There was North of Brooklyn and there was another great, Toronto has really good too. North of Brooklyn's fantastic. Yeah. That's the one I was raving about. There was North of Brooklyn and there was another great,

Toronto has very good pizza. Yeah, it's been a really kind of cool thing to see. Like a lot of places kind of popping up. There's a guy in the city named Graham, who his place is called Graham's Pizza. And he's like making the dough every day by hand and he just sells everything until it sells out. Wow. And shout out to Graham, he's like making the dough every day by hand and he just sells everything until it sells out. And shout out to Graham, he's great.

But yeah. Do you have a, do you have of the Canadian pizza change? You know, you got your Boston pizza, you got your pizza pizza. Are any of those you like? I tend to go for Domino's actually. Domino's, okay. Yeah, pizza pizza was like the pizza of my childhood.

So like every like birthday party you would go to, every like school pizza day that was like the United Way fundraiser for like, you know, $2 for like a square slice. the pizza of my childhood. So every birthday party you would go to, every school pizza day, that was like the United Way fundraiser for like $2 for like a square slice. The ultimate like drunk pizza, I think. But I've just had it. It's like when I go to the Raptors games,

I have partial season tickets with some friends. Pizza Pizza is like one of the few vegetarian options. So I still do have it. I think their garlic dipping sauce is the best. Wow. Of all the ones that I've had, even of Domino's. But I don't really care for the pizza anymore. Yeah, Domino's will be what I go to.

But for the most part, it's like North of Brooklyn, usually, or major. Right. North of Brooklyn was fantastic. I got with a former guest, friend of the pod, and a Twisted Metal actor, Jono. Wow. That's awesome, yeah. I didn't get, the only one that I didn't get

that I am sad about was Pizzeria Badiali. Oh, Badiali, yeah, yeah. Badiali, yeah, I never had Badiali. I did have, I'm gonna go over them. North of Brooklyn was maybe my favorite. I thought it was like great. I had a Fourth Man in the Fire pizza. That's where I had my birthday.

That was a great one. And then I had the one at Maddie Matheson's spot I ordered that one time. And then there was another, oh, Fresca. I had Fresca pizza. Okay, I don't know if I've had Fresca. That's like on the corner. It was very good.

It was very good. There's a lot of legit great pizza places. There's another place in Toronto called Blondies that's really good. Blondies, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's good. We're having a good,

I feel like Toronto got really caught up in the like brioche burger kind of trend. And I just was like, It's exhausting. Yeah, totally. It's too much. Whereas like with pizza, I think there are, it doesn't feel like people are just doing the same thing. Right, right, totally. It's too much. Whereas with pizza, I think there are, it doesn't feel like people are just doing the same thing.

Right, right, yeah. There are like- You're not getting cul-de-sac'd into the same preparation. Yeah, like if you're like, if you want a pepperoni pie, like the blondies, just like jalapeno and pepperoni, like that is a, that's a great pizza. Like some of the veggie options at North Brooklyn are great, but yeah, it is a great pizza.

We have a natural pivot point into Papa John's, but since you mentioned your Raptors fandom, you're wearing the Lithuania basketball shirt. Wow. Do you like, like, where are you on, you know, is basketball your favorite sport? Do you like to watch them dribble up and down the court? Oh yeah.

Like, is that your, is that where you stand? Yeah, yeah, I love, I grew up playing baseball, so I played baseball, like, pretty competitively until I was 18. And were you a Blue Jays fan? Yeah, I still am. Still am a Blue Jays fan. But I think just in terms of like sheer enjoyment,

the NBA is kind of, it's a soap opera, it's live sports, it's everything. It's fashion, it's, you know, yeah. And we've got Shay. That's true. This is a big thing now because there are so many, so many, you know, the NBA is such an international game as was still happening back in the era of Lithuania

at the Olympics, but like, you know, it's become such a global game. And then so many elite players are now Canadian, including in the NBA Finals, which just concluded as of this recording. You know, you had a shake of Alexander. You had Benedict Matheran. Try to remember who else is Canadian,

but there's a handful. Yeah, Lou Dort. Lou Dort, yeah. And Shay, obviously, yeah. Yeah, it's cool. Like, obviously, nationalism is ridiculous, but... Sure. I feel like the one time it's acceptable is in basketball. And the context of sports is fun.

But it is cool. I feel like it's been really fun to have that. And it really is. You hear people talk about it. Even Corey Joseph or Kelly Olynyk, that sort of old guard of Canadian players, impact of like Vince Carter and the dunk contest, uh, and the that like era of the Raptors was so important for kind of growing the game in, in Canada and, and we're kind of seeing it now.

Like, this is like the first generation of players who's like, you know, they remember the Raptors winning a championship because it was five, six years ago, but like Shea would have just probably been at Kentucky like in college. So it's like, it is kind of cool and exciting to feel like there's a basketball ecosystem in Canada that's like fun to kind of follow.

You go to Raptors games, do you have any optimism for the upcoming season? They're in a transition point, obviously. Winning the championship was so seismic, and that lingers for a while. But it feels like they're in a space of, yeah, they got Scotty Barnes,

but what actually is this team's plan for the future? Yeah, I'm interested to see. I think getting Brandon Ingram was an interesting trade last year. I think they're hoping they have Alex McKechnie, right, who used to be from the Lakers, who's like the sports science guru, who

was the guy that kind of invented load management as like a concept, right, for Kawhi. I have a feeling they're going to try and do something similar with Brandon Ingram, which I think could help keep him on the court. But you know, that's the NBA. Like I think the East is wide open too. So this is the other thing.

It's like. It's true. The East is wide open. It's depressingly wide open because of some injuries. Yeah, a couple of like that, the Celtics trade just like last night. Yeah. The Drew Holiday.

The Drew Holiday. We love you Drew, sad to see him go, but I think honestly a pretty good trade for the, I mean, he's a legend of Boston forever, but I think, honestly, a pretty good trade for the... I mean, he's a legend in Boston forever, but I think probably a good trade. What are you laughing at? No, it's just so funny to be like this, to just be a low post episode from like one month ago.

Yeah, exactly. Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tammy Seger was listening to Old Sports podcast yesterday, she was telling us. Tammy Seger, we love Tammy. And I understand that it's like a comfort for her. There's a butt coming, Tammy.

No, no, no, hold on, hold on, Tammy. Tammy, there's a butt coming, Tammy. We love Tammy. I don't know what's happening here. But she was talking about a, she was listening, I was like, oh, I was just listening to a podcast, and Shams was talking about Markeif Morris being traded to the Lakers.

I was like, that's such an interesting listening habit. She said, I was listening to that, and then you replied, why? Yeah. I looked up another place that I liked, Max Pizza. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Max was good, Max was also good. Yeah.

It was bothering me, I needed to figure it out. Max Pizza? Max Pizza. I gotta say- Wait, is it M-A-X or M-A-C-K apostrophe apostrophe? M-A-C apostrophe, yes. M-K- M-A-C, M-A-C, M-A-C apostrophe S. M-A-C apostrophe S, got it. I wanna say thank you to Drew Holliday.

I'm sad to see him go, but I think that is a decent trade for the Celtics, so. And I just wonder if it would have even happened had Halberton not blown out his Achilles. Oh, I wonder, yeah. Yeah, you know, yeah. I think probably the Celtics would be shedding some salary either way, just because it's like the- Or Zengis is probably, speaking of Lonko, but if he can ever play again, hopefully he

can. But there was like, you know, the thing, again, this is, again, we're just an old episode of Who Collected. Welcome to- It's still, it's gonna still be the NBA off season, so who cares? But it is like a... The analysis I read is that by shedding, like, four and a half million dollars of salary because of, you know, the swap for Simons for due holiday, that actually saves the Celtics tax bill

like something like $40 million. $40 million. So it's just like it has this crazy compounding effect. You're the one who brought up the NBA there. I was just talking generally. I'm excited for the- Well, you brought it up. It's your fault.

We're going to talk about specifics. Oh, what? We want to talk about NBA generally? Oh, I like the idea of basketball. We can talk about the future. We can talk about next season. Oh, cool. I like the idea of, yeah, that's what we're doing.

Yeah. And guess what? It talks about a, that involves a trade that just happened because the East is wide open. This is on you. You wanted to talk- It's not fully on me. I have hundred percent on you. Okay speaking of Zach low It's probably a hundred percent on you The trade was brought up and I said, thank you drew That's all I did you fucking idiot. It's my fault me who the trade was brought up, and I said thank you drew That's all I did you fucking idiot. It's your fault

Our dorky listeners don't even like the NBA But also tough shit do you guys have you ever noticed tough shit Yeah, tough shit. I roll agreed have you ever noticed Zack Lowe sometimes It sounds like he's just eaten like a ham sandwich when he's like Podcast he's like he's like Like he feels like he's like warding off indigestion like while he's podcasting. I wonder if we sound that Actually, I wonder what we sound like after with not eating I should have done the podcast with a four-day fast with not eating anything. That would be interesting.

Maybe I'd sound a little more like this. I said we should do a juice cleanse. So we'll all do a five day juice cleanse. Juice cleanse will. And then we'll do an episode at the end. One of the few times as an adult where I shit my pants is during a juice cleanse. Not completely, but.

That's fair. There was some stuff in there. Were you close to your house? Because like. Nice try. Right? Was I close to my house? Yes, I was in my house. Yeah, that's a bummer Wait, wait, were you going somewhere with this? I've shit myself once like in Munich. Oh boy

That's right. It's like on the way back to the venue. I was like, oh And then we went we were you on the bus no no I was like in the street And then we went, we... Were you on the bus? No, no, I was like in the street. Okay, good, I got it. Just like rushing to get back to the venue. I liked that you reacted the way like an old lady would to seeing something uncouth.

Yeah. Oh! Yeah, like... I, uh, I, I, I guess it's what you would call a, a, a shart, I guess you would say, why. Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah. When I was doing the... Portmanteau of shit and fart. Yes, yes was doing the- Portmanteau of shit and fart.

Yes, yes, it is a portmanteau of shit and fart. Yes, yes. For the linguists. Yeah, for all our linguist listeners. And now we're, well, we'll talk about some linguist stuff for a while, they'll be happy. I, the juice cleanse for whatever reason, the water cleanse, nothing was coming out.

I'm talking nothing. Yeah. Nothing. Just air. Wow. Nothing. Just air. Wow. Every hole, air. Every hole. Could you just, is this like air?

Just air. Yeah, I was just, there was a, there was nothing, nothing was happening. Wow. Were you just like really dehydrated? Maybe that's it. I think I was probably slightly dehydrated, but I mean, when I went on the walk yesterday, which almost killed me, I went on a walk at 90,

like close to, I think it was 90 hours of not having eaten. I saw Sal, I saw my UPS guy, Sal. How exciting. I got his number. I got Sal's number, and I was like... You're saying he's an alpha? If he's 100% he's an alpha. You gonna ask him out? He's Sal, well, my thing with Sal and I was like... You're saying he's an alpha? If he's 100% he's an alpha. You gonna ask him out?

He's Sal, well my thing with Sal is I was like, I was like, can I get your number? And I was like, I do a podcast and you could tell he was like... He does not wanna do the podcast at all. Well yeah, why you gotta square job? What's he gonna come on the podcast for? Yeah, he doesn't have to come on the podcast. He's a great guy to talk to,

so I thought it would be fun to have him on. But I saw Sal, I went for a walk, I almost died, and I made it back home. And I was crawling around the floor, like one of those Omegas or whatever they are. What are the ones that are the? I had just crawlers. Were they betas?

Betas? Yeah, maybe they had a different name. Betas, yeah. It might just be betas. And then we're saying too much. I loved 28 Years Later. It was one of my favorite movies of the year. I loved it.

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This is only the third canonical Papa John's episode, Mitch, that we did do Papa Shaxe to discuss Papa John's chacaroni on a pandemic episode. That was Papa Shax Papa John's episode, Mitch, that we did do Papa Shaxe to discuss Papa John's chacaroni on a pandemic episode. That was Papa Shaxe though. Yeah, yeah. We didn't, that was, does not. It does not count as a Papa John's episode,

it was a Papa Shaxe episode specifically. Yeah. So we got a few things here. First up, the large cheese croissant pizza. Papa John's is elevating the pizza experience to the global launch of its latest innovation, the all new croissant pizza. The croissant pizza indulgently pairs

the delicate flaky texture of a buttery croissant with the bold flavors of Papa John's pizza, bringing the brand's better ingredients, better pizza promise to life through craft, quality, and innovation. The Croissant Pizza is available now across the United Arab Emirates from June 10th. Okay, so I read the first part of the copy,

and I read the second part of the copy, I said, let's get a Croissant Pizza. I did not realize that the Croissant pizza is not available in the US I actually think what you said was all I want is the croissant pizza It was basically the reason I wanted to do the episode Typing in Papa John's dot com in your web browser You put Papa John's croissant pizza into a search engine the croissant pizza brings like comes up like it like it It's like it brings you to a splash page. We're like oh wow this is a real thing Well guess what you put McDonald's poutine in and guess what it comes up. Like, it brings you to a splash page where you're like, oh wow, this is a real thing.

Yeah, well guess what? You put McDonald's poutine in and guess what? It comes up, it exists. Just not in the United States. Yeah, so unfortunately the reason for the season, the large, the croissant pizza, which we're gonna taste test. Love that Bloor McDonald's, by the way.

Oh, oh man. Wait, where's the one that, they turned the lights off for you? That was right by the museum. Okay. When Weiger was talking about the Natural History Museum, I believe. Right.

When Weiger was talking about the museum, I thought he meant that, but you never went to that museum. No, I didn't. But you remember on the Choo-Choo? Yeah. Oh, you loved the Choo-Choo. I did love the Choo-Choo. Which we're gonna have to get the Doe Train,

if we ever tour. Yeah. Because you won't, even if it was a really good bus driver, like there's a lot of great drivers, nothing. What are we gonna, we're fine. We're never gonna tour again anyways, who gives a shit. That sounds nice actually, it's pretty good.

I mean. I did a whole, we did like 20 minutes of being like, it's so nice to be back out and you're like, we're never touring again, I'm like, sounds good. I mean, it is nice too, he's never, we might not ever tour again, he doesn't like doing it, which is fair. I get it, dude.

We had some good shows. I get it. The museum stop on the train line, Wags, you saw is like, is like a, it's like a, almost like a Egyptian. Yeah, yeah, it has a whole. Yeah, it has a whole thing, which is very cool. And then every other one is just like, fuck you.

Yeah. I mean, I will say immaculate subway system. They don't smell like piss. That's the weirdest thing. They don't smell like urine. I know, I missed it immaculate subway system. They don't smell like piss. That's the weirdest thing. They don't smell like urine. I know, I miss that. I smell piss every day out here. And I just like wasn't smelling piss.

After we were on the subway, I went back to my hotel room, I pissed, and I was like, ah, thank you. I missed the piss. Sweet land of lips. Sweet. Yeah. Immaculate subway system in Toronto.

They were very nice. So I, you know, whatever. They're heavily advertising the croissant pizza. Definitely my fault that I did not verify that it was actually available domestically. So we're not able to have that. However, they do have a couple of other LTOs. We're going to move Doughboy's Media to the UAE at some point.

Yeah, we're going to Dubai. Take a tax haven kind of thing. Yeah, take a tax haven to our thing, taxi. We're going to taste test it. Haven kind of thing, right? Yeah, it's like a taxi, haven tour thing, yeah. It's going to be the new Austin. Yeah. We did get the, right now they do have though the garlic epic stuffed crust and the cheddar crust. So we had a Tuscan six cheese pizza

on garlic epic stuffed crust and a garden fresh pizza with cheddar crust. We also got a garden veggie papa, it was spelled bowel in the group text. So that's what I'm going with. But this is a bowl version that we had previously on the episode, on a Papa John's episode. It kind of looked like it came out of someone's mouth. It really did.

It was pretty disgusting looking and tasting. But let's start there. Let's start with, first off, where are you on Papa John's in general? Like how many times have you had it in your life? Pretty few, actually. Like, surprisingly, I think it's one of those ones that, just, I would dismiss out of hand.

I was just like, I'm not having that. Like, either, you know, you're looking for, like, kind of we're saying, like, if there's regional pizza or like a local pizza chain, I think for us, like, that's what we'll try to go for. So every once in a while you're like, oh, we like, you know, got in late somewhere. Yeah, if it's one of the few that was open.

It would definitely be after Domino's and Little Caesar's for me in terms of like the major pizza chains. I might go Pizza Hut above it as well, although like- Pizza Hut's gotten pretty bad. Yeah, that's the thing. I probably would pick Papa John's over Pizza Hut at this point, but we were a Pizza Hut family growing up.

And then I was into Papa John's in college cause they had a lot of really good coupons out here. That's where I tried Papa John's for the first time in college and I did enjoy it. Yes, and the dipping sauce was a novelty, like the garlic butter dipping sauce they had and the pepperoncinis you get in there, you know, a bit of a heat seeker.

So it was like, always happy to see those, but it's, so it felt, and it felt like it was a higher quality level for a while. And then it kind of dropped off and I don't know, it's kind of mid for me, but that's kind of the same for you, Mitch. It was never your favorite pizza place. No, always a fan of John Schnatter himself.

Yeah. Um. Uh, we were. I was gonna say like bar pizzas, you guys kind of have that in common politically, you're aligned too, right? Like is that sort common. Politically, you're aligned to, right? Because that sort of... Politically, we're aligned.

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I was going to ask you what your thoughts on Jon Schnatter, but I sent you a great YouTube video of him with, remember when he's watching the Bigfoot? And it's like... Oh, yeah. It's like you're just like seeing a person who's just like clearly out of his mind, basically at this point. That's like, you know, like, you're like, oh, this is like kind It's like, you're just like seeing a person who's just like clearly out of his mind, basically at this point.

That's like, you know, like, you're like, oh, this is like kind of just like, it seems like he's mentally unwell or something. Yeah, I, he seems like a very strange person. Like there's all this like, like lore. My wife went to the University of Louisville where like Papa John's had the naming rights for the like football stadium. And like, I guess guess as part of that he also was on the like board

of directors of the University of Louisville or like the board of trustees and so the only pizza she could get like anywhere on campus was Papa John's. And so it was like you could use like your university like meal cart you know you're like your freshman meal card or whatever. That's kind of fun. For Papa John's, but that was like the only delivery that you could get on campus was Papa John's. So it's like, just strange. I wonder what they had there, Cardinal Bucks?

What do you think of the currency? Yeah, probably Cardinal Bucks. Cardinal Bucks, yeah. We had bonus bucks at Ithaca. That's what they call bonus bucks. Just cause it was like- You're the Bombers, right? Yeah, they should have been Bomber Bucks.

They should have been Bomber Bucks, yeah. The Bombers is like, Ithaca is like a very hippie town. I mean, if you go like five minutes outside the city, it gets a little Trumpian, I would guess. You see a couple Confederate flags hanging around. Yeah, it's always strange to see stuff like that in upstate New York. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, it's like, I mean, it's country. My favorite kind of fucking dipshit. Someone's like, I mean, it's country. My favorite kind of fucking dipshit. Someone's in a Union State, funny Confederate flag. You fucking idiot. You know your own history. There was a kid at the end of my street who had a Confederate flag.

Yeah, sure. Why do you, yeah. You can see him everywhere in America. Yeah. You can see him in California. He was the guy who had the stuff, remember? I told you that big jar of piss and shit and cum. Ew. Yeah, it's disgusting.

Yeah. Wait, what? Go on. Amelia's like, wait, I got one of these jars. The stuff, huh? Amelia, have you started? Have you ended up dating this man? I'm realizing now, instead of the garden veggie poppa bowl,

we ordered the stuff. So that's why that looked entastingly like that. I just want to say quickly, I I wanna call all of you out. I took a bite of the fucking pop-up veggie bowl, and you and Emma, for whatever reason, were just talking about, it's like a bite of barf, and this is right when I took a bite of it. In fairness, I had just taken a bite of it,

and that was my immediate reaction. You had just taken a bite of it, and then you and Emma just start going on this fucking riff about how it's barf. Fierce as hell, it tastes like barf, and then I was like, it does kinda look like some much barf. Well, first, Wiggs mentioned that it tasted like barf. Wigors and I had like, taste like barf, and then I was like, it does kind of look like some of barf. Well, first, Wigz mentioned that it tasted like barf. Mitch was like, that's disgusting.

Why would you say that as I'm eating? And then after that, Emma said, it looks like barf too. So the barf discussion continues as Mitch is gagging. Yeah, trying to choke it down. You did a very good job. I mean, I swallowed it. That was, I mean, I felt like I was about to throw up. It was disgusting.

It was really, really nasty. It was as disgusting as the stuff. Also, that kid is a piece of shit, to be clear. Obviously, that kid is a piece of shit. And it was like a kid, like one of those people where you're like, why am I in this house when you're younger? And you know what I mean?

Wait, so, but this discussion started, we were talking about the various currencies that exist at universities. Emma, what was yours? Ours was board bucks, which has nothing to do with Emerson. I have no clue why they called them that. Yeah, B-O-A-R-D, board bucks. I don't have a single clue why.

Okay, I went to UCLA and it was, I think it was a Bruin card. So like that just ties in with the mascot. That makes Bruin bucks make sense. Yeah, UCLA Bruins. Bruin bucks are great though. Ours were bonus bucks because it was outside of the meal. Got it.

So it was like, these are bonus. You can use them on, but we didn't, you couldn't use them on outside stuff like that. You know what I mean? Yeah, our campus had like a, there was like a Canadian chain called PETA Pit. We had a PETA Pit as well. Was it still there when you know what I mean? Yeah, our campus had like a... There was like a Canadian chain called Pita Pit. We had a Pita Pit as well. Was it still there when you were there, Amelia?

What school was this? It's the University of Guelph. It's about an hour west of Toronto. University of Guelph? Yeah. Guelph. Is that the Guar College? Yeah.

Is that the Guar College? Yeah. Yeah, it was like an agricultural science, like a big agricultural school, and I just went to... they had a little like arts program with a little music program. And I just kind of. That's cool. Yeah.

Skull shoulder pad 101. Just thinking of guar classes. Oh yeah, there was a. Pig cum, you were saying pig cum? Yeah, there was a space hog. Introduction to Space Hog. That's, I should have started the thing where I don't know anything about guar.

I mean, I know enough about guar. They have a bar, they own a bar in Richmond, in Virginia, where they're from, that has the entire bar is just all like memorabilia. So there are like guar masks. Is it called guar bar? It's called guar bar, yeah. Wow, great name. It's awesome. See, that's what we're talking about, that synergy there, like war masks. Is it called Gwarbar? It's called Gwarbar, yeah. Wow, great name. It's awesome.

See, that's what we're talking about, that synergy there. Yeah, that's beautiful. Gwarbar. Bonus bucks, bomber bucks. It's like I was saying, it is a hippie city and they don't even like that we're called the bombers. Like, I don't know why. Peace and love, man.

I mean, that is more of what the town of Ithaca is like. But you didn't, Peterpitt was gone when you were there. I don't remember it. Peter Pitt was a big thing. Peter Pitt, DP Doe, and then when I was there, they got a Jimmy Johns, which, speaking of pieces of shit, Owners, which delivered to campus. So, but I think you were in the middle of,

we were talking about, yes, Louisville, he has the naming rights to the stadium. He is on the corporate, or I'm sorry, the board of the university. And so he's just kind of a presence there. Yeah, like she was saying, there are tons of photos when the UofL men's basketball team won. He was drunk.

Yes, yeah, I've seen some of those. In the Yum Center. Oh wow. Which I'm sure I've seen some of those. In the Yum Center. Oh wow. Which I'm sure made him pretty mad. Yeah. Yeah. He's right. But yeah, there are just like photos of him with students

when they like won and that was like Donovan Mitchell and like Montrez Herald and stuff. But yeah, it's strange. Like it should have known that like something, some sort of racist tirade was coming from some guy who just like was happy to be drunk around a bunch of college students, even though he was an adult man. Yeah, I was mid-40s at that point probably or something.

I mean, I was gonna say, mentally and well might just mean alcoholic, I can't really tell with him, but definitely not a good guy in the, Sure does not seem like it. In the pyramid of shitty people from, of these restaurants that we go to. Oh yes. He seems like he's up there.

He seems like a pretty shitty, a pretty shitty guy. Yeah, I mean, I get into my intro a little bit, but it is, it is kind of like, there's a real rogues gallery of people in fast food and he's definitely, you know, high up there among them. So that said, the pizza itself, we didn't get the croissant pizza, but we did get the Tuscan six cheese

and garlic epic stuff crust. I don't like this. So this one's of the six cheeses are Parmesan, Romano, Asiago, Fontina, Provolone, and what they call real cheese made from mozzarella, which is very specific copy. Shouldn't it just say mozzarella, but we call it real cheese made from mozzarella. That seems a little suspect. Anyway. Something about that sounds like it's a specific copy. Shouldn't it just say mozzarella, but we call it real cheese made from mozzarella.

That seems a little suspect. Anyway. Something about that sounds like it's not real cheese. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. So they're complying with some FDA regulation. It's like me saying this is like,

me saying it's when I was doing my fasting that it's not a RFK thing. Right. It's not an RFK thing. If you say something like that too much, it just becomes suspicious. It just seems like it's not real. My it's not an RFK thing t-shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.

I would wear it's not an RFK thing t-shirt. That's pretty funny. With a cheese pizza, I tend to like, to me it's like kind of like a less is more approach. I tend to like like a simpler, just like, you know, mozzarella or maybe a couple of, a three cheese blend. We start getting six cheeses in there. We're not gonna blame this on you,

but you put in what you wanted and we wanted to get a cheese pizza. It would've been nice to have a cheese pizza as a baseline. So actually we are gonna blame you. Fuck you for that. Yeah, yeah, well, you're welcome. No, if they had in in fact, had the large cheese or the croissant pizza as advertised.

They didn't, you fool. I know. That's the reason we went back and did it. Which is crazy, because we are in the Emirates right now, right? Yeah. It would have been a nice contrast. Where you head gum UEE, which is a warm out.

But I did think this was pretty good. And they have this, the garlic epic stuffed crust is garlic flavor stuffed into and drizzled onto the cheesy crust. I like that stuffed crust. I thought it was pretty tasty. The stuffed crust wasn't bad. I never think stuffed crust is as good as you want it to be.

Yeah, of course, yeah. Is the issue. I actually thought that the, I wasn't excited about the six cheeses because I always am like, it's just, it's unga pachka. I just like a cheese pizza more. I'm just gonna say this all around. I didn't wanna do this.

I said we should have done intelligentsia. And then I did say afterwards, I was breaking my fast earlier, and I know you have a connection with this restaurant. So I was like, I was like, let's, I can do it now. I'm So I was like, I can do it now. I'm breaking the fast early, I can do it. And you wanted to do it so much because it's a croissant crust that doesn't fucking exist.

And so we changed it from intelligentsia to this. In the email I gave the option, I was like, I'm good to do either. You did say that, it's very much not on you. None of this is on you. He wanted to do the fucking, he wanted to do the stupid fucking croissant crust. All right, hold on, hold on.

Susser also wanted to try the croissant crust. Okay. So that was another. Right, yeah, you mean the first person who showed up for our podcast night, he walked in the door before Amelia. We were recording another podcast here, and Susser walked in before Amelia did. I feel like we were recording another podcast here and Susser walked in before Amelia did.

I feel like I got the full experience, like Susser just showing up for lunch. Oh, yes. Really, quite a lot of Doughboy's lore happened for me. It's kind of... And he's in New York right now, too, so he's a... I know, I didn't expect to see him when I walked in. I was like, holy shit!

I think the thing... Also, to be clear, did he come back from New York just for the lunch? Yeah, yeah. like, holy shit. Also, to be clear, did he come back from New York just for the lunch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. His family, no. Yeah. He came for the croissant crust pizza. Um, I, I, because I was looking at the menu yesterday.

Yeah. And the other cheese pizza sounds so fucking bad. Yeah, sure. That I was like, I can't, like, an Alfredo. Just a regular cheese pizza? No, it was like an Alfredo base. Oh, sure. I didn't know, I'm not, you made Alfredo. Just a regular cheese pizza? No, it was like an Alfredo base.

Sure. I didn't know, I'm not. You made the right call among those more orange and cheeses. Let me say this, I gave you a hard time there. I actually think your order, we added the stuffed garlic crust to the six cheese pizza. I don't know if you're pissed off about that. No, no, no. Sorry for adding that.

No, it's great. But your order knocked it out of the park. Yeah, that was. You had a great order, we'll get into it. And I'm gonna say this wise, just as a little spoiler, Papa John's was kinda hidden, as you would say. Papa John's might be back, we'll get into it. Papa John's might be back, they might be here.

I don't know if they've ever been here for me, except for like college or whatever. They might be here. Papa John's might be here. They might be here. I really like, by the way, this is another thing that I mentioned in my intro, but I should bring it up to you here. Oh, John's might be here. They might be here. I really like, by the way, this is another thing. Yeah, I mentioned in my intro, but I should bring it up to you here, Mitch,

cause you'll never listen to it. The- Do you blame me? The current CEO of Papa John's, Papa John Schnatter departs six years ago at this point, seven years ago, he's kicked out of the company. Schnatter, is that how you say it? Schnatter, I think, might be Schnatter.

Can I say, I think I fucked it up, but that's fine. I don't know if I'm saying it right. He's not worthy of your respect. That's also true. Really, you know? Like, I think. He's purged from the company. There's been some turnover, but their recent,

the recent leadership, the new CEO as of last year is the former CEO of Wendy's. So the Wendy's CEO migrates over to Papa John's, and it might have something to do with their resurgence. That's funny because we also thought Wendy's had dipped, but then also after it won the tournament for Chopkins, and then Wendy's, I don't know. That's also funny because you had some Wendy's

when you came into the kitchen today. So there's literally a pile of pizza and a junior bacon breakfast cheeseburger or whatever the fuck's sitting in the kitchen right now. Also, to be pile of pizza and a junior bacon breakfast cheeseburger or whatever the fuck's in the kitchen right now. Also to be clear, I didn't just walk into HeadGum with Wendy's. No, no, you didn't.

You were like, hey guys, bacon, I got bacon breakfast. I got breakfast baconators. I want some breakfast baconators. This might be spoiling another thing. I do think that episode will be out by now. Okay, all right. So I won some breakfast baconators. That's right.

And a Frosty on Gareth Reynolds podcast. That's right. And you and I took bites of it and it was damn good. It was pretty good. It was pretty fucking good. But Wendy's has gotten cheaper and Papa John's to me always seemed kind of cheap anyways. I didn't think it was like-

Cheap you don't mean in terms of value, you mean in terms of quality. I mean, look, this is all in the history of pizza, going back here. I used to love, I'm sorry, I have to take this into consideration here. It's bigger than just- So we're going back to Rome? How far back are we going in pizza history?

We won't go back all the way to Rome. We'll go back to 80s, 90s. I loved a big Domino's large cheese pizza. I loved a Domino's pizza. Domino's though, as time went on, kind of got more cardboardy, wasn't as good. When I was in college, I think Domino's, that was kind of Domino's down point, right?

Domino's wasn't really doing great around the time I was in school. That's when I was in Ithaca, there was a Papa John's nearby, and there was a Domino's, but like, that's the thing. I never really got Domino's at all in college. Papa John's or like a local pizza place was like other places that, you know them, Sammy's, the rest.

That's the place I would get pizza. And Papa John's, I was like, oh, this is like a good quality pizza, but this is a college kid being like, this is better than Domino's. Domino's has this resurgence. We were like, this is better than Domino's. Domino's has its resurgence. We were bad. We're better now.

I become a, I go back to Domino's again. I really like Domino's. Every time I have Papa John's out here, it's trash. I don't like, and so I don't think of it as a quality, as a quality pizza. I just don't. So, and so it's that confusing thing of Wendy's has gotten cheaper to me in my eyes, right?

Like, uh... Again, just, I want to clarify, because thing of Wendy's has gotten cheaper to me in my eyes, right? Like, uh- Again, just, I want to clarify, because some of these people, they hear cheaper in terms of fast food. They mean like- Prices, not prices. Not prices. Prices are probably more expensive.

Yeah, lower quality. Lower quality. Yeah. And they changed their fries. I think the fries are bad. I've been saying this forever. I think that they should go back to the golden fries. I don't like the potato skins on Wendy's fries.

They should go back to their normal fries. I think it would be a huge hit now if they went back to yellow cartons with those original fries. But it's just a money thing. It's the thing we say. Follow the money. That's not what we say.

I mean, it is the thing we say. I mean, it is kind of, we're just saying, the thing you say is that everything just gets worse. Yeah, things just degrade over time and cost more money, and then that becomes a new baseline. Yeah. Just trying to see, like, what are you willing to tolerate?

It's a Rosie outlook. Yeah. And that's, I mean, and that's what's happened with Wendy's. So I don't really know where to classify Papa John's. I'm like, as far as the chains go, like, is it a decent quality pizza place? I don't really know.

I don't think so. I kind of think of it as like mid-level, right? Like, I don't know. I think that's right. Like, actually, I will say I was, I think I was surprised, uh, uh, complimentary, uh, with the food today. Yeah.

Same. I thought I was in percent. No, I fully agree. But yeah, like, uh, whereas like- No, I think we can get into it. It was surprising. It was fucking good. The last time I had Pizza Hut was so fucking grim. Yes.

That I just, it turned me off. Pizza Hut maybe is the bottom of it. Pizza Hut might be the worst one now. The Garden Fresh, I mean, definitely I would get Papa John's over Pizza Hut after this experience. The Garden Fresh Pizza with Cheddar Crust. Your choice.

Your choice, and I'll just read the ingredients. Green peppers, onions, mushrooms, black olives, aroma tomatoes, and again, real cheese made from mozzarella. And then the cheddar crust is seasoned cheddar cheese melted on top of our large original crust. Best crust, best slice overall? Best slice overall. I mean, like, like, like, I don't always

like an all veggie pizza. It can sometimes be what Micahs would call a wet pizza, but I think this was pretty well balanced, and I liked all the varying textures here. I thought this was quite tasty. By the way, I'm just with you with the portnoy flop. Sometimes a floppy slice of pizza is fine. You just don't want a wet slice of pizza.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? You wanna see some flop? Check out 28 weeks later. Years later, sorry. It's a big boy. Good wind sock. So it's a, I like this quite a bit.

Is this what, so this is kind of what your go-to slice used to be, you were saying. Yeah, I definitely would love the deluxe or the supreme or whatever. That was cute, really. That was cute, generally started, stretched. Yeah, and so I think a nice garden veggie pizza, it feels like it hits a lot of those same notes

for me without pork just destroying my stomach. Well, and especially as, I think I was saying earlier- It's like a shotgun handle. I was just thinking of the 28 years later. It's like a fucking, it's like a longer than a shotgun handle. You were, you know, I mean. I was just saying like girth, like I was like,

that's like kind of close, it's like cocking a shotgun, it's like similar to the. Emphasis on cock. I mean, it's the truth. You and I have both done, like, you know, done improv in the past and have, you know, as part of that process. It's an improv hog. You're taking, no, this thing, you're like taking, you know, you're, done improv in the past and to have, you know, as part of that process. It's an improv hog.

You're taking, no, this thing, you're like taking, you know, you're taking like improv classes. And I remember taking one and this nerdy guy was up there and like, for whatever reason, the scene he was jacking off, but he's going like this. Yeah. And then I was just like, wait a minute. Like, he was like, it was, it was like a motion,

like he was like- We all know it's this. Yeah, like he was loading a black powder rifle. And I was just like, what kind of meat does this guy have? That's the 28 years later guy. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Like that was him.

Well, that's what I wonder. That's like, is this guy, was he just doing something, trying to be funny or is like, no, this is how I actually jack off my huge dick. Do you think he had a huge dick? That's possible. I never know if he had. I think that that guy was,

there was a lot of posturing going on there. I don't know. He was overcompensating? I think he was 100%. Unless he's an alpha, I have no idea. Also, I just want to say, in our Doughboys Reddit, I know you don't like to ever hear from the Doughboys Reddit. No, and especially not on the podcast.

Well, not on the podcast, but there is specifically a post in the Reddit that says 28 years later, and it says, the boys are gonna be talking about 28 years later on a positive day. They're like, they're gonna be talking about this movie for months. And you're 100% right.

I mean, and you can't blame us. Yeah. It's a show. Every movie, look, one, give us more hogs. Yeah, It's a show. There's a lot going on. If every movie, look. One, give us more hogs in the movie. Yeah, I was going to say, it sounds like you want more hog in a movie. I mean, why not?

We're all adults here, you know what I mean? I'm not saying throw them in Pixar movies, but you show a hog every so often. Well, maybe do. Maybe a kid can see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let us see Wally's hog. I mean, with the, you know, with the.

That's what you say at home all the time. That's me walking in the door. Let us see Wally's hog. You want to see Stitch's hog. There we go, thank you. I thought that, I like the garden fresh pizza quite a bit. I thought the Tuscan 60s was decent. We talked about the veggie bowl, which was just awful.

Just truly terrible. Yeah, bleak. Very bleak. Terrible. A bite of puke. But. Oh, god. But there was spinach in that puke. There was spinach in the puke.

Real nasty. It was so, I mean, it is so close to puke. And I think that, I think this is getting veggies. I think you did a veggie order. Are you fully vegetarian? I'm like pretty much fully vegetarian. I break you did a veggie order. Are you are you fully vegetarian? I'm like pretty pretty much fully vegetarian. I Break every once in a while actually broke the last time I broke was for Wendy's. Wow or not but this feels like a healthy approach and that's where like I

I'm not I don't feel like I'm I'm as As where you are exactly but like I'm trying to get more and more towards just like abstaining from meat except for situationally. Yeah. I'm just gonna say this, Wags annoyed me here cause I was like, hey, I kind of want to order either the steak and cheese pizza or the Buffalo chicken pizza.

And Wags was like, well, our guest is eating vegetarian. So it's probably a good thing to eat vegetarian. I was like, fucking fine, I'll do it. And all that being said, the veggie pizza was my favorite, was my bite of the night. Yeah, and also, bitch, I don't know, isn't it kind of like, it's also interesting to be like, hey, what is the experience of eating this place if I'm not eating animal protein?

You know what I mean? No, not that interesting. It's interesting. No. It's interesting. Try something you wouldn't otherwise have tried. I wish I could say that it was like an ethical thing. Like, I really had lofty, like, thoughts about myself.

But it's purely, like, any good entertainment industry worker, this is born out of sheer laziness. Yeah, sure. Like, I'm not like, like, my wife is vegetarian. And I'm like, I'm not cooking myself an extra bit of protein and then doing extra dishes. Like, no, no, no. You can't be doing two dinners with your partner.

Yeah, you know, that's really, and damned if I don't feel better, which sucks. That's the worst part of it is that like, oh, it's the same, we were talking about it kind of before we started recording. Yeah, we were talking about before we started recording, it pissed me out. Like I was just saying this the other day

is just like I had a period, cause I wasn't eating any meat for a year and there was like a month within that where I didn't eat any dairy either. And I felt incredible. And I was just mad because I was so, I was just bored all the time by what I was eating. And it was just like such a, it was so, it felt stagnant.

But I could not, there's an added layer of frustration that it just works. It's like, oh, this is just good for me. You're going to always eat the same thing your partner eats when you have a partner? You know, you don't have to. But I mean, oh, this is just good for me. You're going to always eat the same thing your partner eats when you have a partner? No, you don't have to. But I mean, like, if you're cooking dinner, it doesn't make sense to cook two separate dishes.

That's sort of life, maybe. I eat whatever I want when I want. Alone. It's not necessarily practical always to prepare two different meals for you and your partner. Like, we're going to eat together. I don't know, let's make the same thing and share it. And I think the other thing about just like touring and traveling and being on the road a lot is like

that cooking actually is like a nice way of like feeling like I'm at home. Oh, sure. You know, like, cause we eat out, I mean, you eat every meal. Like even if we're on the bus, you're like, all right, I'm making another sandwich. And so that to me is kind of fun too,

where I'm like, oh, okay, like here's some recipe that I wanna try that's like, yeah, it's vegetarian, but like, I don't know, like making lentils is like not hard, right? It's not getting takeout and it's not like going out to a restaurant, which is something I love, but like after a month on the road, you know, you're just like, all I want to do is like,

be in my house and cook something. For sure. Especially with a band, I mean, first of all, to just be a band like you guys and make music that is enjoyable and people are having a good time and watching the show. Oh, come on, hold on a second. That's, that's, that, that, I mean, already, it was just on its own to go up there and play songs

and people are enjoying themselves. We do a much dumber, worse thing that we are quite... we question whether it's entertaining at all. But for you guys to do that, and for like, like what, like two and a half hours is a show usually, right? Yeah, we're... I think we're like, we're kind of in like 80 minutes usually in a headline show, so it's not as crazy, but it's definitely active.

Like I have to change all of my clothing. Huge question here then, as far as pissing and shitting of course. Oh boy. Are you not eating before the show? I mean obviously when you're like up there, you're sweating, so like the piss probably isn't as much as you need to.

Yeah, usually not too bad. But it's had to have come up. It's, yeah, it's come up one and two. Wow. Like before. I need three hours usually. Before, like that's usually my window. So no food, three hours per food.

Yeah, yeah. So like if we're having dinner, like if we're on it like nine, I'm looking at like a senior citizen dinner, like at like 5.30 or six. And then like hour before the show, it's like vocal warmups and like guitar warmup stuff, whatever.

And then- What are your vocal warmups? We'll do like, there's like a, Stefan, the like lead singer of Pup, has like a tailored, he had a vocal coach for a long time. He still sees him every once in a while, but it's like a 17 or 18 minute, like full like,

da da da da da da da da, you know, like, I am a cow moo. I am a cow moo. It's really funny. That's what I remember. There's like, cause there's just like syllables, like, like, like naughty. But when, when you do it in like,

like kind of rapid succession, it sounds like, it kind of ends up sounding like you're saying naughty Tina. And so we'll always just be like, oh, gonna do your naughty Tina. Naughty Tina. Naughty Tina. Naughty Tina.

Yeah, and then even I find if I have a beer too close to going to a date, I'll even be burping. I've fully burped into the microphone while I'm singing. Yeah. Just, yeah. I've stopped drinking during shows, because I get so sleepy. I used to have like, oh, I'll bring a beer on stage,

or I'll bring a glass of wine, or whatever. I have a couple beers. And then I was just like, man, I'm already barely coherent as the show is beginning. And then midway through the show, I'm just so sloppy and sleepy. What was that cow bullshit you were saying? I am a cow boo.

That's a warm up? That's a vocal warm up. Really? The one that's even less interesting, it's like. Oh yeah, that one's good. And you're just like, you go up like semitones and down. Yeah, I have a problem continually buzzing on my lips.

It's a big. Yeah, just I run out of gas. It's like the air. The buzzing is an air control thing, right? Yeah, it warms up and then you slowly... You can also do it with your tongue. will be out by the time this comes out. I am a cow-boo. That's real?

How about, I am a ghost-boo. That's good as hell. Should we get some Doughboys warmups made for us before our shows? Yeah, there you go. I am a turd-boo. I thought that, you said you didn't have dairy for the year. I thought that was a song you sang

when you were going crazy. Yeah. The one, you said the word annoying't have dairy for the year, I thought that was a song you sang when you were going crazy. Yeah. The one you said, you said the word annoying and made me think of another one I know. Any noise annoys an oyster, but a noisy noise annoys an oyster most. Oh boy. You've said that one to me before.

Yeah, it's a tough one. All my like guitar warmups are like all chromatic. Oh sure. And so like, just the most annoying thing you can do, just like playing chromatic, like every note, what if I play every note on the piano in succession and people are like, what about music? And you're like, oh, that's not what I'm doing here.

You're just practicing half steps. Yeah, you're just kinda doing all that sort of mindless. I do think like eight to 11 p.m. is not a prime going to Browntown time, you know what I mean? I feel like that's like a... I'm usually done shitting for the day. That's what I'm saying. I think the trouble is that with the bus,

like, we were kind of talking about, um, like, eating late. Yeah, sure. Everything gets shifted. Your day kind of shifts eight hours. Oh my, dude. You got like an NBA player schedule. More or less. Like, I sleep usually on the road from, like, 3 AM to 11 AM.

Yeah. Like, so I'll get eight hours, which is awesome because the bunk. Yeah, that's my road schedule, too. Not. to 11 a.m. So I'll get eight hours, which is awesome, because the bunk. Yeah, that's my road schedule too, not my normal life schedule. The irony is, when we were in hotels, I would sleep less.

Sure, yeah. Because we were driving during the day, so you have to get up earlier, the show ends, you sleep maybe between five and seven hours a night. Are you sleeping while the tour bus is driving? Yeah, so the bus drives overnight, so we'll all just like. Wow. Yeah, yeah. That's wild. So we'll like, I'll just like. Wow.

Yeah, yeah. That's wild. So what I've started doing instead of like bringing beer and this will all tie in. It's why I'm probably sleeping so well. I'll do like a, just like straight bourbon, like on ice. Okay, sure. And so I'll do like a huge,

like a solo cup of ice basically. And like, you know, however many fingers of bourbon, like two fingers of bourbon you know like the classic uh that's like an old joke that my uh great uncle used to do yeah two fingers that's fine you're kind of like doing like a horizontal uh metal symbol yeah exactly double horns i'm drunk as hell that's what that says and it kind of just like it's not carbonated so i feel like it doesn't affect me as much like from burping or feeling bloated on stage. And I-

Sleeping on a tour bus overnight as it's driving around, that's a cool, not a lot of people do that in the world. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So like, and you know, you just- My CPAP would be sloshing around. Yeah, I know people who've brought like CPAPs, like little, like mobile CPAPs and like tour buses, they all, all the bunks have outlets, so you can usually-

Oh damn, all right. Yeah, it's like, it's surprisingly like, it's pretty good. But yeah, like- Season one, one of the transport drivers was Bruno Mars's tour bus driver. You know what he said about Bruno Mars? What's that?

The nicest guy in the world. I met him once, he was lovely. That's what he said. I had a- Bruno Mars is a very nice man. We had, when I worked at Funny or Die- Is that 24 karat magic? Oh wow, yeah it is. when I worked at Funny or Die... Is that 24 karat magic? Oh, wow, yeah it is.

When I worked at Funny or Die, we went to his recording studio to like pitch him ideas. And he was like super nice. And he ended up doing a video that I think our buddy Ryan Prez directed. Oh, yeah. But he, but I'd be like, there weren't enough chairs. And so I just like sat on an end table

and it was so hot in there and I could just feel my ass sweating onto this table. And so like, I was just like sat on an end table and it was so hot in there and I could just feel my ass sweating onto this table. And so like I was just like, okay, when I'm done with this meeting with Bruno Mars, take your notepad, which you have all your ideas written on, tear a sheet out of it, and then immediately turn around and wipe off the, wipe your ass sweat off of this end table

so no one notices. So that's the only thing I was thinking of the whole time. That's funny, that's like the Bruno Mars estate is having an auction and it thinking of the whole time. That's funny. That's like the Bruno Mars estate is having an auction. It's just the end table. We don't know where the stain came from. OK. But we did get some meat, Mitch, by virtue

of the chicken parmesan poppa bites. We also got the jalapeno poppa bites. That's the one thing I ordered. You were saying, let's go all vegetarian. I said, I want to just try this one thing. Which, hey, this is my Wendy's. This is my break from the meal. I had a couple of these and so did you.

I did. And I thought that these were going to be buffalo chicken bites, but they were chicken parm. And then the jalapeno poppa bites, which had jalapenos and Alfredo. Spicy suckers. Also probably not great for me to eat coming out of the fast. Yeah.

I took one for the team. I took one for the team. I took one for the team. I'm sort of a heat seeker. I loved those. Those are my, that was my favorite thing that we, that I had at this popper. Wow. The jalapeno popper bites were great.

The chicken parmesan bites, I was less into. I thought they were. Oh, I loved them. So did sus. Yeah. To me, I, first of all, you thought they were buff, I was like, those are good. And you're like, hmm, I don't know.

Well, cause that was the first time. You thought they were buffalo bites. I might be those are good. And you're like, hmm, I don't know. Because that was the first time I was going for Buffalo and it was not succeeding at it. And then when I, but I had another bite knowing there was a chicken parm and it still wasn't quite. You never recovered from that, I feel like. Could be, yeah. Could have just been in my head. The jalapeno, I was surprised.

It was another one of those things where I was like, this could be weird. Like I wasn't sure if it was trying to be a jalapeno popper like with that kind of, and I was surprised like even with the ranch too, like the ranch dipping sauce I thought was a nice kind of a complete bite. Yeah, the ranch cooled it down a little bit. Yeah, it was good combo.

It's effectively a garlic knot. And a lot of times I'm at a pizza place, a garlic knot for me is like their salad. It's just like, this is gonna be fucking whatever. This is an extra thing they have. So my expectations are generally pretty low, but I thought these were quite nice. Well, Papa Bites were pretty decent.

I would 100% get these again. The Chicken Parmons came with just marinara sauce. I thought they were, I liked them more than the jalapeno bites. I thought they were great. I would also get the cheddar cheese sticks again. Yeah, those were fantastic. I thought those were real good.

Yep. But those are a limited time offer too. Yes. Really? Okay, cause that's, yeah, that's interesting. That feels like- The cheddar cheese sticks specifically, but they were tasty.

And again, another thing that a pizza place, I'm like, you don't need to have sticks. I'll just get a slice, but like, oh, these were pretty damn good. Yeah, it does feel like a lot of these things, I almost like take for granted cause I'm so used to the Domino's menu. And it feels like a lot of those things,

like maybe the bites not as much, but like the fingers or like the little sticks, like you get at Domino's like pretty regularly, at least in Canada. There's like that. Right. So I'm like, yeah, oh, it's a limited time thing, I guess, but that to me feels like a pretty standard kind of like, like chain pizza.

You'd expect to be a staple, and maybe they're testing it out and are going to make it a permanent addition to the menu. I do the stuffed cheesy bread at McDonald's. I'm sorry, at Domino's. And that's really good, but they are like, it just is so much. Yeah. And these guys are like, these seem much lighter.

I mean, they're not good for you. But I'm just saying, their breadsticks with cheese on top, it's easier to eat. That's what used to be what Puppagino's did, Emma, as you remember. It's like less bread than Domino's is so much bread. It's a lot of bread. This is very doughy.

This is more cheese-focused. Yeah, it's like eating one of them is akin to a slice, almost, or something, yeah. Let's talk sauces real quick. So we got the garlic, the spicy garlic, the ranch, and the marinara. Was there one I'm missing? I think it was just those four, right?

No, we think, because it says new garlic sauce, or it didn't say like new garlic sauce, but it is just a garlic sauce. When I opened it, mine was thicker. And then I took one from one of the pizza boxes and that was like melted, like the way you think of Puppet John's sauce. I like it a little bit more melted.

I like it a little bit more like a lobster butter, you know? Yeah. And, but you know, sometimes you'll get a little bit thicker, which is more like the little Caesar's garlic sauce consistency. The spicy garlic I had high expectations for and I thought it just tasted bizarre. Oh, it tasted like chemicals.

Yeah, chemicals city. It was very sciencey and weirdly not really spicy but also not really garlicky. I was like, I wouldn't even know what it's trying to accomplish, it was a real bummer of a sauce. And also the butter came through in a way that wasn't appealing, which is strange because butter usually is appealing.

Right, the best food. But yeah, it felt like it was confused. It felt like it didn't really know what it kind of was trying to do. And also we didn't get one of those that was like melted. Maybe we should have put it in with a pizza or something like that to have it melt down, but I don't think there's any way to save that sauce.

I agree. Do you know what I'm thinking about it? I'm like, is that the first time I had like garlic butter like that? Is Papa John's in college? It might be, you know, like I'm like. It's the first place I remember that being a, yeah, I think they certainly popularized it

if they didn't invent it. Cause it's the first time I remember encountering it. I don't know if they, I don't know if they invented it. Yeah, they probably didn't invent shit, but I mean like, like, like, but you know, it just made it a thing where now you can get that at Domino's, you can get it at Little Caesar's, as I mentioned, you know. Yeah, pizza pizza was the first for me, like in Canada. That was like, like, like, but, you know, it just made it a thing where now you can get that at Domino's, you can get it at Little Caesars, as I mentioned, you know. Yeah, Pizza Pizza was the first for me.

Like, in Canada, that was like the first. They have like a creamy garlic, they call it, is kind of similar sort of thing. The ranch I thought it was fine, and the marinara I thought were fine, they both got the job done. Pizza Pizza I was OK with. Yeah, it's... I had a lot, everyone hates it, but I had a lot there.

I was like, no, it's fine. It's fine. It's completely fine. Yeah. It still breaks, it's completely fine. It still breaks my brain that Little Caesars in the States has a mascot whose catchphrase is pizza pizza that is unrelated to a Canadian chain called Pizza Pizza. It's just mutual invention of saying pizza twice. But their brand colors and everything

are like basically the same thing, aren't they? They're basically the same. It looks like they give you the same company. Yeah, it's like orange and white. But they're not the same company. No. So strange. It looks like they give you the same company. Yeah, it's like orange and white. But they're not the same company. No. So strange. This is like a totally independent

national chain in Canada. So weird. Yeah, I used to buy weed outside of the guys' mansion. Hell yeah. Like some dealer was around there, you know. I was a bad boy. Vlager gave you a hell yeah for five weed. Yeah.

There's this mushroom, oh that was the thing that surprised me in Toronto. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like, buy mushrooms here. You're like, wow, they really just fucking. At the store? Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're like, they're like mushroom stores.

Yes, at the store. I was like floored by it. Wow. So you were there, I'm surprised you didn't see it there. I like, yeah, I know that they, the whole. Walking up and down Blur, you could see, I mean, they were everywhere. Oh yeah, so.

I didn't see, I don't recall. Spadina, there's a lot of them on Spadina. Basically the same court challenge that was initiated by a bunch of like weed, like legalization advocates has been initiated for mushrooms. Okay. So basically they're doing the same playbook

before Canada legalized weed, which was the like Hail Mary that Justin Trudeau threw like years ago, basically allowed for these sort of like gray area like weed shops to open. And the costs would show up and like shut one down and then like three blocks down the street, it would like pop up again.

And that just kind of happened until legalization came through. So they're doing the same thing now with magic mushrooms. Wow. So you can buy shrooms thing now with magic mushrooms. Wow. So you can buy shrooms and it's kind of a like, maybe we'll see you again. And then the store closes because the cops like raid it. Yeah.

And then another one opened. But yeah, they're gonna try. Yeah, it's not technically legal, but they are just. That's right. It is so weird that they're openly advertising it and it's a store, but. And like because the court hasn't ruled on it yet one way or another, they're just sort of like,

oh, legal gray area. Like we can- It's like a limbo. Yeah, yeah. That's fun. Yeah. Wow. I hope they're- What do you say to people buying shrooms up there

in stores, Wags? You got something to say about that? What do I say to people buying shrooms up there in the stores? Do I get something to say about that? Yeah. I sure do, Mitch. Thanks for tossing me this alley-oop.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Like you said hell yeah for him buying weed. Hell yeah. Well that's cause I was doing like, that's cause I was doing hood rat shit like outside of Mr. Pizza Pizza's house though, you know. Did you forget that I just had,

you just said hell yeah to him buying weed. No I didn't forget I was ready to go. Yeah, you had it on deck. Oh, we got the, for dessert we got the Oreo Papa Bites, which are... Which look like shit. They really look bad. And I was worried they were gonna be like the garden veggie Papa bowel, but they were like...

They were, cause they just look like garlic knots. They just look like pizza dough, like nuggets of pizza dough with Oreo cookie inside. And then just some cummy icy that you, icing that you drip it in. Cummy icy. I like cummy icy that you drip it in. Cummy icy. I like cummy icy. And that was just on the side for dipping.

Cummy icy. When you go to a movie theater, I always try to get a cummy icy. But I thought it was just, like, it looked really gross, and then I was eating it, and I was like, this ain't bad, it's just a little crusty. It's a little too much savory crust. You know what I hate is I bring a date to the movie theater.

I'm like, you want to do the popcorn thing? And she's like, no, I'll just get a Cummy Icy instead. I'm like, oh, come on. And then I'm just drinking her Cummy Icy the entire fucking movie. You're watching 28 Years Later. Start doing the popcorn thing solo. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

If you eat it, let me tell you, the popcorn trick wouldn't work on an alpha sticking out the top of the popcorn box. We can't get over the size of these hogs. They're huge hogs. Huge hogs. Yeah. So you guys have to see it.

I heard you got something to say for those huge hogs? No. Oh, yeah. There's also pussy in the movie. That's fun. There is some pussy, and I actually, not a lie, I did walk out of the theater at that moment, and it was not intentional.

Ew, too much. Walk straight into a screening of Sinners. I came back and I said to Roger, I miss anything, he's like, here's some pussy. You think I was wrong? You started screaming, put the hogs back on the screen. What were you gonna say? Sorry, I can't do that.

Oh, Sus was saying about the Oreo bites, with a little bit of the cummy icy, I think it helped with the doughiness. For sure, 100%. Because they were a little too doughy. Look, I'll say this, the Oreo Papa Bites looked like bird shit on them, and then there was a side of coming icing.

They did not look appetizing. And I think they were better than I thought they were. Yeah, I would agree. They looked gross, and they tasted OK. And we got two liter Mountain Dew. That was fun. Hillbilly excellence. Hell yeah.

I love the two liter Mountain Dew. It just felt like childhood having a big two. Maybe two liters are, I mean, they're not, I guess having cans is more environmentally sound, but. Yeah, I never loved a two liter. Two liters just always go flat before you get to the end of it. I know, but if you're drinking a two liter with a group of people just on the day.

We were missing the moonshine, right? That's the sort of original Mountain Dew mixer. That's probably why we didn't drink at all. We gotta do a drinker stank of moonshine at some point. I'll try also moonshine. We both go blind. Yeah. Yeah.

We should get to our final thoughts. We should get to our final thoughts. Susser just texted some of his thoughts to the group chat. If you want to add anything. No, he sent it to me. Okay. He also told me IRL, but I guess he maybe doesn't trust me to remember it. Anyway, we should get to our final thoughts, Steve, on Papa John. So you know the show, you've heard how this works, but we'll each go around, give a closing

argument if you will, and give it a score from zero to five forks. You are a guest seated to my left. Your thoughts, your fork score on Papa John's. I was pleasantly surprised, I think, overall. Um, you know, barf, bowel, uh, notwithstanding, I suppose. Like, uh, um, I appreciate you guys, uh, you know, doing the vegetarian thing.

This is gonna, uh, hopefully make the rest of my little press junket slightly less full of the Rumblies. But yeah, I don't know. The dipping sauces were mostly let down, which to me, it feels crazy how kind of central dipping sauce has become to my eating pizza now. Yeah. Like considering like for probably half of my life,

if not more than that, like that just like wasn't a thing. But now I'm kind of like, oh, that's a bummer. Like I was really interested because I don't think I'd ever tried the dipping sauces. But yeah, the two crust kind of variants were cool. Yeah. I don't know. I'm like kind of in the like three,

maybe even 3.5. Wow, okay. 3.5 feels high. 3.5 feels high. 3.5 is fair, I think. Totally fair. Like, yeah, I'm sort of, you know what? I'll go 3.25.

3.25. Wow, I like it. I like it. Three forks, one time. Three or four forks. Mitch, what do you think? Well, let me start with Sus's thoughts. Is that okay? Yeah, sure.

And I wanna hear what he said to you also, because maybe it's the same thing he said to me. I said, forks, score, and thoughts. This is Sus, 2.5. It's tough for me. It's tough for me though, cause I've been eating so much New York pizza. And you know, New York pizza, forget about it.

Papa John's, I feel sick. So he texted me this at 2.37, 2.38 PM. Yeah. Then at 2.41 PM in the Doughboy's chat, he texts, if you guys are in the record make sure to add I said It's tough for me though because I've been eating so much New York pizza and then under it and New York pizza forget about it Forget about it. Yeah, so it was just me in the studio is trying I was having issues with my laptop But my iPad I was trying to resolve that before the record.

Susser comes in here and he's like, I gotta go, gave me his fork score, which I'll sit on. And he said like, but that's only that low because I've eaten so much New York pizza, forget about it. Did he say forget about it? Did the same bit. I heard him while he was walking out. He did the same bit three times, twice within two minutes?

He did it in the kitchen too. He did it in the kitchen too. He did it in the kitchen too. Oh, he did say it in the kitchen. And it's crazy because he was walking out and I heard a, I'm slicing here. You know, like it was. Oh, well, you know, Sus, I actually disagree with you. Wow.

I think this is a pretty damn good outing from Papa John's. One of the better outings they've had. Whew. Uh, that veggie slice and the crust, that, the, the cheddar crust, I think is really good. I think it's fantastic. Nice, crispy. There's a good taste to it. It doesn't taste sciencey. It tastes like real cheddar cheese.

I thought it was going to need dipping sauce and it didn't. It kind of doesn't. No, I dipped it a little bit in the garlic and it was still to need dipping sauce, and it didn't. It kind of doesn't. No. I dipped it a little bit in the garlic, and it was still good. But like, damn, why? Because I got to go all around. I had a really pleasant Papa John's strip. I got to go 3.5 forks.

Mitch, Papa John's might be here. It's fair. We've been dealing with, we don't. Amelia was nervously looking around. We? Where? John Schnatter walks in the studio. You guys want to hear a joke? No.

I have some thoughts on Colonel Sanders. Oh yeah. I disagree with Susser who gives it two and a half forks. And again, because he's eaten so much New York pizza. Forget about it. Forget about it. I disagree with Susser who gives it two and a half forks. And again, because he's eaten so much New York pizza when you're eating pizza, forget about it. I think that from my experience, having had some New York pizza in my life,

but also, you know, most of my pizza consumption has been from chains and comparing these chains and again, going back to what we talk about the thesis of the podcast, Mitch, how is this chain succeeding at what it's trying to do to sort of be a mainstream presentation Our main thesis of the podcast. Of, you know, of American pizza.

As philosopher kings. As philosopher kings. Yes, yes. This was important to us when we first started our thesis of what this chain is trying to do. Yes. We want to be like the Sun Tzu and the Marcus Aurelius of our age.

Both those. And so we are, from operating from this perspective. Sunzu and the Marcus Aurelius of our age. And so we are from operating from this perspective. Sun Tzu and Marcus Aurelius. I think Papa John's to me is clearly a choice I'd put above Pizza Hut at this point. And I wouldn't put it above Domino's. And I also wouldn't have put it above Little Caesar's partly from a value standpoint. But I do think it's coming up

and I do think it's maybe arrived. The last time I checked it up, Mitch, that we did a canonical review score was during the pandemic, but we all landed on three forks. And I certainly do not have enough confidence in this chain to go all the way up to four forks, but I certainly can be ballpark buds with two y'all, and I think I'm gonna land at three forks two times.

I think three and a half forks is about where Papa John's is right now. And, hey, they could be in the Golden Play Club at some point. I'm not saying it's going to happen. It may never happen, but it feels like a possibility. It feels like this is a franchise that's kind of getting its house in order. And if they get into the Golden Play Club,

Papa John is forgiven for all his sins. Amelie, didn't you have a Papa John story? Oh, not really. I took a UCB class with Papa John's niece. Oh, that's what it was, yeah. Yeah. That's it, she was nice. Did she always initiate with like pizza-based things?

Forget about it. He also did spell out, he spelled out forget about it in that, in a, you know, in that way. Yeah, yeah, we know. That Italian way. Hey, it's time for a segment. I've got a food related survey and Mitch and Steve will be the guest of the results. Let's play the family food.

We are the family feud theme from the Super Nintendo version of the game. Not too bad. It sounds okay. I thought this was almost NES though. The NES version is unrecognizable. You need at least 16-bit fidelity to be able to accurately represent that theme. Pretty good. Not too bad.

I thought it would maybe be a little bit better on it. Sounds like a Casio. Yeah. It is very Casio. Yeah. A little Casio keyboard. It is very Casio, yeah. That little like Nintendo flair. I mean, also we're just talking about, there's some, again, a younger person saying,

but there are some bangers from Super Nintendo era that, you know, I always listen to the aquatic theme from Donkey Kong. Oh yeah, David Wise, the composer. Yeah, that's a, that one's an all-timer. All right. Are you into any sort of music like that, like old video game music?

You like a chip tune? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do. I really love, there's this avant-garde composer named John Zorn. Oh, yeah, John Zorn. He loved Carl Stalling's music. Okay. So I spent a lot of time, like, like, who did all the Looney Tunes

and sort of like that sort of stuff. Um, and video game music, I mean, I feel like kind of the classic Nintendo. I'm blanking on the composer's name, uh, who did like all the Mario stuff. Pojicondo? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, just like it's beautiful. Like the, such interesting kind of... Right. John Zorn?

John Zorn, yeah, that... Right. John Zorn? John Zorn, yeah, that was- Son of Zorn? He's not related to the animated character Zorn. Okay, all right, I was sure. From the short-lived Fox series. Yeah, that no one knows that I'm referencing. But Dan Lippert was on.

He was Zorn, Lippert was Zorn. Lippert was Zorn. Yeah, he was. No, he was the physical embodiment of Zorn. He was the on-camera Zorn, or on-set Zorn. Anyway, but no, that's not what the reference is. No, I know of John Zorn via our, you know, my high school friend Brandon Wards,

who listens to the podcast, and he is, like he was very much into them. It's like a really weird, like, avant garde is the right word to use, but like kind of like noisy, like, anarchic version of jazz. Yeah, and like pastiche kind of, like, he'll do this, like, uh, that was sort of, I guess, to kind of bring it around,

like, that video game music and all that kind of stuff, learning about Carl Stalling and, like, how he composed for, like, Looney Tunes, because it's so jump-cutty and kind of, like, um, uh, just like, kind of an, it was not something that was ever on my radar, like growing up. Like we would play, I played cello, uh, when I was in high school and like, we would play like Howard Shore's music, Lord of the Rings or like Hans, you know, cause that would be a way for like the music teachers to like keep us

interested instead of just like playing Mozart or whatever. Um, but the video game music was when I like kind of started teaching guitar, um, before we were touring a lot and like all the kind of younger kids would want to learn like Zelda music. So I like taught a lot of that and it was like not on my radar really. And then you kind of listen to it and you're like, this is amazing. Like obviously it is. There are legitimate composers who are gifted musicians. But yeah, it's cool to kind of see that being appreciated as sort of a pretty serious form of composition. Yeah, I'm always impressed by, especially in the,

and a lot of people are doing this as a static choice now, but in the era of 8- bit and 16 bit composition, you had a limited number of number of audio channels you could work with, like, for a lot of eight bit hardware, it was impossible to play a chord, you couldn't play that many notes at once. So it was like and also have sound effects, which is, you know, again, you were just so limited by like four channels or less, that a lot of stuff was just like arpeggiated or they

would use like the the fact that you could, you didn't have to have a human musician play it. And so there would just be like this, this rapidity, the speed to it that was like almost impossible for, you know, like even a virtuosic musician to play. How great is it in the Zelda game when the Zelda, cause now in like the bigger games, when you finally get the theme, it's later on,

you know what I mean? They hold off on it. When you finally kicks in, when you're like riding around somewhere and later on. You know what I mean? They hold off on it. When you finally kicks in, when you're like riding around somewhere and you hear, boom, you know what I mean? Yeah, sure.

And so you were teaching like, boom, yeah, all the kind of like, yeah, just like that actually. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. That's fucking cool as hell. Yeah, it is like- You're playing left-handed like Jimi Hendrix.

Yeah. It's very cool. Oh shit. There you go. And Mitch Mitchell was in the Jimi Hendrix band, wasn't he? The Jimi Hendrix. Yeah. Very cool. Oh, shit. There you go. And Mitch Mitchell was in the Jimi Hendrix band, wasn't he? The Jimi Hendrix experience. Yeah, he was the bummer.

Well, not the bummer. The bummer. The bassist. The bummer? He was not the bummer. He was the bassist. There's a cool Mitch, thank God, Mitch Mitchell. Oh, don't sell yourself so short.

Oh. I want to put myself down with McConnell, but I'd say that. The demon. The demon. Yeah. Ugh, the angel of death. He looks like a head gum hunk. Oh, it's just a head gum hunk outside, though. Not too many head gum hunks in here today. Yeah, not too many people in general.

That's interesting. All right, the theme of this edition of Family Food is top fast food chicken chains ranked by sales. Wow. According to 2024. So there's a pretty contemporary list compiled by QSR Magazine and also compiled by Amelia Moreno. The top nine answers are on the board.

Amelia, can you take score? She just saluted you. Yes. Worldwide? Thank you. No, this is just in America, I believe. Okay, okay, okay. No, on Amelia too, these are all gonna be, there won't be anything weird in this quiz.

There's nothing weird. There's nothing weird. No, this is a straight ahead list. All right, so we're looking for- It's almost too normal. I'm a little worried about Amelia. We're looking for the top fast food chicken chains by sales. And you can just buzz in.

Actually, I guess we'll just alternate. We'll just take it. So Steve, do you want to go first or second? You can go first if you want to. Okay. I mean, it's up to you. You can go second. I'll go first, sure. I gotta go with if you want to. Okay. I mean, it's up to you. You can go first. I'll go first, sure.

I gotta go with the Colonel. Yeah. Good answer. Show me KFC. KFC is number three. Wow. In terms of sales. Okay. Again, the metric is sales.

Sales. Yeah. This has gotta be per store sales, right? Or is this total sales? This is what I was talking about here. But I feel like this could be sometimes factually inaccurate. All right, Steve has a point. This is sales by the millions, and then they have a chart.

Got it. With how many millions of dollars each chain made. Got it. So which of these chicken chains is making? Yeah. Yes. I think this is total sale God, this is total sales. There's no way that's per store. This is total sales. I'm gonna go my answer my first answer We'll see what I don't know where it will land Jollibee Show me Jollibee That can't be right Jollibee. That can't be right.

Jollibee's not on the list? Jollibee's not on there. That's also the Price is Right fail horn. I feel like if it was worldwide, it would be. Oh wait, it's in the US. In the US, yeah. Oh, I forgot that part. No, Mitch gets a strike.

All right, Steve, it's back to you. You have one point, Mitch has zero, and Mitch has one strike. I can't believe I'm fucked. We're not fucked, you can still steal anyone's game. I'm gonna take, I'll take Popeyes. Yeah, that's, I mean, now I'm fucked. Show me Popeyes. Good answer.

Popeyes, number two. Number two. All right, I got the right sound effects now. Two of the top three are off the board. All right, Mitch, back to you. You have one strike, no points. Steve has two points, no strikes. Okay.

Above KFC, and this is in, okay. Only two and three are off the board. One and four through nine are all available. We have nine. Bojangles. Show me Bojangles. Bojangles is number seven. Bojangles coming to the U.S.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, coming to the U.S., coming to California. Coming to the west coast. It's fine, you're doing okay. No, I'm doing bad. You're crushing it. I'm doing really bad. No, you are doing kind of bad, but you're doing all right.

I mean, we're always doing bad. Stop being able to speak in the back of the episode. Wait, Amelia, you think you're doing good? I think he's doing good. Do you say overall in the back of the episode. Wait, Amelia, you think you're doing good? I think he's doing good. Maybe you need to do a live request.

As you say, overall episode, what do you mean by you think he's doing good? Overall end right now. That's nice. She's trying to keep her job and it's over. It's not with me, it's not. All right, Bojangles off the board. Steve, your next answer.

You have two points, no strikes. It's got to be Chick-fil-A. Show me Chick-fil-A. Oh my God, that's number one. I can't believe I didn't think it. I couldn't think it's Chick-fil-A. Number one, Steve has one, two, and three. However, you don't get bonus points for position.

It's just number of total answers correct. So this is the only thing that will save me, but I already have a strike. Yeah. Raising Canes. Show me Raising Canes. Show me Raising Canes. Rocketed up the list to number four.

Wow. One of the fastest growing chains out there. All right, you both are doing great. Steve, back to you. Oh boy. Five through seven and number nine are available. Churches? Show me Churches.

That's on the list. Thank the Lord, Church's Chicken is number nine. All right, five through seven, Mitch. I'm sorry, five, six, and eight, rather. Five, six, and eight. All of these chains. Jollibee still wasn't in there in the US, huh? All these chains, what?

These are all things we've reviewed. There's got to be not enough Jollibee still wasn't in there in the US, huh? All these chains, what? No, I'm just saying, these are all things we've reviewed. There's gotta be not enough Jollibee locations. No, sex has never died. Oh, okay, one of these we haven't done. There must not be enough Jollibee locations. You're 100% right. So this will be, I guess, a hint more for Mitch, but two of these we've reviewed,

one of these we've not reviewed of the remaining three. Hmm. Why am I blanking on this? I'm doing bad today. I'm doing bad. Amelia's silent over there. I don't know what to say. Wow.

Wow. All right. All right. All right. Chicken, chains. I'm gonna go with, oh, Buffalo Wild Wings. Oh yeah. Show me Buffalo Wild Wings. That's not up there.

Not in the top nine in terms of sales. What? Wow, yeah. Good guess. It is a good guess. Oh shit. All right, Mitch has two strikes. One more, he's out. And Steve wins by default. But Steve, you are still in the lead.

What's the score right now? Steve has four. Mitch has two and two strikes. Got it. So they're chicken chains. Chicken chains. It's not like- Fast food chicken chains.

That might be why Buffalo Wild Wings is not on the list. It might not qualify as fast food because it is a sit down restaurant. So it could be that. Okay. Could be, I don't know. I'm just thinking. Sounds like another fucking bullshit Amelia list.

Oh man. Yeah, I think all of these chains have drive-throughs. Interesting. I'm like, oh boy. Wingstop? Oh, that was going to be my other guess. Show me Wingstop. Good answer!

Wow. Buffalo, hold on a second. Wingstop, I went with Buffalo Wild Wings over Wingstop. And Wingstop's on there, but Buffalo Wild Wings is not. Well, Buffalo Wild, first off, Wingstop just may have higher total sales. That just may be- It's a possibility. But also like in terms of, take it up with QSR Magazine,

because if they've excluded it from the list because it's not a fast food restaurant, I will say they're very different concepts. That's a fast food restaurant. They're very different concepts. Buffalo Wild Wings is a sit down, it's closer to a Chili's or an Applebee's. Wingstop is geared towards take out and delivery.

Okay. Do Wingstops have drive-thrus or are they all carry out? I don't know if I've seen one, but I'm sure some exist with a drive-thru. But it's the same vibe as like a drive-thru. There's like a Wingstop in a ghost kitchen near my apartment. Yeah, there's a lot of them are just like

carry out counters, there's not even tables in the place kind of thing. Do they do anything, any Canada specific wing varietals? Is there anything like an equivalent of like an all dressed chip that's more of a Canada exclusive? I don't think so. Yeah, I think it's all your kind of basic honey garlics

and your whatever. I just pulled this other one out. Thank God I could remember it. And I might go out on this one, but Zaxby's. Show me Zaxby's. Come on, Zaxby's. Still in, stillby's. You're the only one who's got it. Still in, still in. Still in.

It's the one we haven't done. Do you have zero strikes? Zero strikes. I'm done for. Steve is gonna win, he's gotten five out of nine. There's no way for Mitch to win, but we can just see if there's a, if we can close this list out.

There's one more left, number eight. Steve, do you wanna try to get a guess? Yeah, I did just have a memory of a, like a visceral memory of Buffalo Wild Wings. Uh, we were in, we had a day off once in, uh, Arkansas somewhere, and we were like at the hotel. We like got in late, we were like driving all day. And, uh, we get to the hotel and we're like,

hey man, like, we're really hungry. Uh, like, what's the best restaurant in town? You know, we want to go. And the guy was like, oh yeah, like we're really hungry. Like what's the best restaurant in town? You know, we want to go. And the guy was like, oh yeah, you gotta go to Buffalo Wild Wings. That's right. Just was like, we were like, all right,

I guess that's what we're doing. Not a bad choice. Yeah, yeah, it was a, but yeah, I think that was my, that's my only Buffalo Wild Wings. Doesn't count though. No. Doesn't fucking count. There's one left, number eight on the board. It is a different category of chicken, I would say,

than the other chicken chains we've said here. If you get this one, you just completely kick the shit out of him. I mean, that's fair, right? The only one that's in my brain is Roscoe's, but that doesn't feel right. Show me Roscoe's. There's no way feel right. But... Show me Roscoe's. There's no way.

Unfortunately, you've elected your first strike. Mitch, what do you think? Hmm. Oh God, I gotta go to the bathroom so bad. Get your last strike and then we can take a break. My last strike? You don't think I'm gonna get it? So we haven't reviewed this play?

Oh, we have reviewed this play. Oh, Zaxby's is the one. Okay, so we have, and I said Raising Canes. Yeah. Different style of chicken that we've covered. Oh, okay. So, oh, okay. Oh, I know what it is.

BBQ chicken. Show me BBQ chicken. Mitch, I'm sorry you got your third strike. You are out. No. Chicken. No. Chicken. No. Chicken. No. Chicken.

No. Chicken. No. Chicken. No. Chicken. No. Chicken.

No. Chicken. No. Chicken. No. Chicken. No. Chicken.

No. Chicken. No. Chicken. No. chicken. No. Oh, I get it now. What is it? It's a rotisserie style chicken. So, so? You're close. I'm close.

Hmm, Boston Market? It's not Boston Market. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This is fun. Okay. Yeah, we're having fun. I'm having a great time. Okay, we can think of this together.

Okay. This will be fun for fun. I'm having a great time. Okay, we can think of this together. Okay. This will be fun for me if we can get this together. So a rotisserie style chicken place. No, I mean, in my mind, I immediately was just thinking of the place you just tried for the first time, but that- It's not Cheeky Nando's. No, because this is a US,

there is a large US presence. It is certainly a chain that I grew up with that has more of a West Coast presence, but I believe it is national now. There is a very catchy jingle associated with it. I never knew anything about it until I moved to LA. You didn't know anything about it until you moved to LA? Mm-mm.

And it has a jingle with it. All I could think of was the Tito's tacos. You're in the right ballpark. Oh! El Pollo Loco. That's it. There you go. Do you want to take a question

or do you want to take a shit? Let's do the question. Just like a restaurant via feedback, let's open the feedback. Today's email is from Adam from Portland. Adam writes, I've heard Emma mention the Popeyes at the Kennebunk rest stop in Maine several times now.

And it reminded me of something. Yeah, I mentioned it too. It's the only time I ever had Popeyes. I live in Portland, Maine. And one time my lovely husband, much more successful, does not listen to the show, had me drive down to the rest stop to get Popeyes and bring it back home.

It was an hour and a half trip altogether. The food was fine. What's the furthest you would drive for fast food you like but don't love? Food fully yours, Adam. P.S. there's now a second Popeyes in Maine. It's in South Portland across from the main mall. Exciting stuff. How about that?

Wow, thanks Adam. Furthest you've gone- I bet the alpha husband that doesn't listen to the show has one of those alpha hugs. Yeah. Um. Um. Furthest you've gone for a food you like but don't love.

Mm. Yeah. Taking Popeyes for an hour and a half ride, I'm, like, trying to decide what that would be like when you get at home. It can't be very good. You got to eat it on site. Yeah. Or at least, like, in the car.

So that's 45 minutes each way we're drinking, right? Yeah. That you don't love. I actually have an answer here. Because there was a time in college, we were like, you want to get Dippin' Dots? And they're like, yeah, let's get Dippin' Dots. And we're losing the locator for where Dippin' Dots were.

And the closest one was on the Santa Monica Pier and did not live at Santa Monica at the time, so had to take the bus all the way there. And so it was like 40 minutes each way to basically to get dip and dots. And, but you know what? We're pretty good. This is tricky because this is just like what we do

for the podcast all the time is like, we got to go to this place and it's like, whatever. It's in Pasadena or something. But thinking about outside of like, outside of the premise of the podcast, outside of something we have to do for work, something you do for like, hey, you know what, I'm kind of craving that.

It's not my favorite, but it's kind of what I want right now. I'm gonna go out of my way for it. Or there was maybe someone that, you know, you had a friend or a family member who was like, they really wanted to crave this, they were really craving this and you tagged along. That's a good question.

Yeah. I'd probably go pretty far out of my way for like a Dairy Queen blizzard if I was craving it. Yeah, Dairy Queen's a good answer. Yeah, sure, yeah, definitely. If that's what you're craving, you're not getting it anywhere else, really. But I love Dairy, like I love a Dairy Queen.

Yeah, that's where I'm struggling. I'm like, there's no Taco Bell near my house, but I love Taco Bell. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, cause I don't think I've ever done that for food that I'm just like. Well, and then make it a hypothetical.

What's the furthest she would go? Or maybe like, it sounds like they went with their partner to get the, like it wasn't for them, it was for their partner. Yeah. So like, maybe it's like, you have a friend or someone who was like, I really want this. And you're like, yeah, I could go. Right. Yeah.

I mean, I feel like I've done that for like, let's go to the Outback or some shit like that. You know what I mean? And I'm like, and I don't love the Outback, I guess. I once went, yeah, I once went way out of my way for Black Angus, and I do like Black Angus. I think Black Angus is fun. Natalie and I have been to Black Angus for Thanksgiving.

It's like a fun spot. I have an idea for the show. But it's a bit of a haul. And you get there and it's just like, this isn't blowing my mind, but some, I don't know, some of this is kind of a fun place to eat. Angus Week. We watch Angus on the double, we go to Black Angus.

That's pretty good. We did Tombstone Week previously, where we watched Tombstone and then we had Tombstone Pizza. Angus Week. Yeah, I've been thinking of doing Red Baron Week. We gotta figure out the right Red Baron movie. I like that. Yeah.

Angus Week, are you gonna do like Scottish? You're gonna take on like some Scottish personality? That's fun. I can pull that off. That's fun as hell. I'm thinking about like, I guess I kind of have to reverse engineer this a little bit, but like there are no Waffle Houses near me.

Yeah. Right, like Waffle House being kind of like a regional sort of in the South, like whenever we're in Kentucky, like visiting the in-laws or whatever, like whenever we're in Kentucky, like visiting the in-laws or whatever, I'll make, even if nobody wants to come with me, I'm like, all right, I'm going to Waffle House. Like, cause that's one that like,

I, it's just hitting all the time and I never get to eat it at home. 100%. This is my exact answer. When I was in Arkansas and I shot a short film there, uh, after we wrapped, I, I, I went with one guy to this one, to Waffle House that was like, and it was out of the way. To go there. And I, I, but here's the thing. I also do love Waffle House, but I think that that's kind of the sort of answer that it's like,

let's go to Waffle House or like for me back there, it would probably be like a chain. That's like, uh, like a Massachusetts chain that there's only one left up of like for me back there, it would probably be like a chain that's like a Massachusetts chain that there's only one left of, of like Friendly's or something, you know what I mean? But I used to love Friendly's, but I know that the quality, the quality is dipped and it's whatever sort of thing. I think my answer right now,

and I do really like this place, but like going by the letter of the law, fast food you like, but don't love, it's not one of my top chains, this is a chain I really like. I think it's Arby's right now because all the Arby's in LA proper have closed. The closest one I can get to is in Inglewood.

So, it's a little bit out of the way, but I have gone to that Arby's. And there are times I was like, I just want Arby's. This is the hassle to go all the way over there. I think if someone was here and they were like, I wanna try rallies. I would love to go to, it's like, and for me, I have to go all the way over there. I think if someone was here and they were like, I want to try rallies. I would love to go to, and for me, I have to go to LAX area to go to rallies,

which is itself a 50 minute to an hour drive. And so I'm like, hell, I never want to drive to LAX. Well, it sounds like you should take the rail and go to the LAX Metro Center. I would love to take the rail, but you know how it is. It's not completely done yet. Well, there's a lot of issues. You got to take a fucking bus.

Yeah, you get to LAX Metro Center now. They have not connected the air train to the airport until 2026. So right now you got to take a little two-mile bus. Get to me when it's connected. You're the train guy. You don't like riding buses. You need that seamless experience. Oh, I like riding buses.

But that would be a lot more elegant if you get on the hair train there, yeah. So what about a tour bus? You could, whatever. You don't, you wouldn't like a tour bus? Well, it's a different kind of bus. You get a little- First buses with strangers.

Yeah, I like the city bus. God damn it. Well, also like, yeah. A little more like local color. Yeah, sure. But I also like, I mean, I get like, and then I get to be on the road for a long time. I know, I get you don't like it.

You're just an infinitely frustrating man in many ways. Now, if you knew you could dump your piss. On any city. On any, yeah. Oh, this is a great question. Dump your piss on any city. Wow, this is a great question. You could dump your piss on any city in America.

That's what, Chicago. Lower 48, right? Lower 48, yeah. Chicago, you've tasted Dave Matthews, now you're gonna taste mine. You get the fucking piss. The Mitch piss. You ain't gonna, you're gonna be praying

for Dave Matthews' piss after you get my piss. It's nasty. My pick is easy, Boston, Massachusetts. Whoa! You piece of shit. You talking about the Boston P party after I'm there. Quincy's safe. Quincy is safe.

It's Jacksonville, Florida for me. Good answer. If you have a question or comment about the world of chain restaurants, you can email us at feedback.com or leave us a voicemail at 830-466-8484. Our producers, Emmer Brinker, associate producer, Amelia Marino,

our supervising video producer, Casey Donahue, our associate producer, Emilio Marino, our supervising video producer, Casey Donahue, our video editor, Mike Dorfman. Doughboyz merch, kinshipgoods.com slash doughboys, and the Doughboyz Double LR Weekly bonus episode over at patreon.com slash doughboys. Steve Slebskowski of PUP. What an honor. What a treat to have you here.

Thanks, guys. It's amazing. And I will say, as a fan and listener, I know what it's like to be in a creative partnership that is many years long. Sure. And how difficult it is. And I just wanna say, it's nice to hear you guys actually not shy away from when there are moments

of disagreement and tension. Because it shows how much you both care about this. I know that it's a goofy podcast or whatever, but it brings me a lot of joy and I think a lot of people a lot of joy. So it means a lot. What a nice thing to say. Also, we are both fans and listeners of yours and you make infinitely better product. Well, let's not.

The bar is low for both of us. No, that's not true. No, listen to Pup. That's what I say. And also, I got to say, that's very kind for you, but I want to know, do you have anyone in the band that won't travel by plane or by car or only by train?

Yeah, I'd also say, do you have anyone in the band who doesn't show up on time and doesn't check their email? You could have just said me. Like, I'm the princess of the band. No, unfortunately that part of the travel and all that, you just get kind of, you realize you have more in common with long haul truckers and business flight travelers.

It's just like, I'm like, oh, this is not what I ever expected to be in my life. Me just being annoyed when someone can't fit their suitcase in the carry on. I'm like, come on. Come on. Also, too many people trying to get away to be my life, me just being annoyed when someone can't fit their suitcase in the carry-on. I'm like, come on, come on. Also, too many people trying to get away with just getting, if you're there for a week,

just bring a fucking suitcase for crying out loud. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess checking bags is maybe a cost more money on a lot of flights. Yeah, sometimes it does, but yeah. The band is, the record's out, who will after the dogs. When people are hearing this, I guess we will be, if there's anyone listening in New Zealand or Australia,

we'll be there in August. Wow, yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna be really tired. And if you're in the US, we'll be on tour with our friend Jeff Rosenstock, um, uh, in September and October. And for Canadian listeners, we will be on tour in Canada at the absolute worst fucking time in, uh, uh, November, December.

Wow. So, uh, yeah, if, if you were interested in coming out to a show, we'll be, we'll be around. I love it. Check it out. Check, yeah, go, go, uh, I have to come to see you on concert. Yeah, we'll be, we'll be around. I love it. Check it out. I have to come to see you on concert. Yeah, we'll be in LA. When are you going to be here?

Yeah, I know. I know where I am all the time. I have that in my brain. I don't ever have to look. Do you know where you're going to be playing? Uh-huh. Yeah, I do. Why don't you look that up?

Yeah, please. October 2nd at the Hollywood Plain. At the Plain. Wow, that's for the rules. So, well, you guys, you let me know. Oh, hell yeah. We'll make it happen. There you go.

You'll maybe see me. Yeah, I mean. Wags, Wags is just not. We've had this thing come up a lot, just between the four of us, where when friends come into town on tour and stuff, we start to be like, so we can go for dinner?

And then like, I don't need to come to the show, if you don't mind. And they're like, we're fine, right? Oh, to be clear, I'd be honored to come to the show. That was more a joke towards Wags. If I'm in town, I will be here. That is the truth. I'll be there.

Hell yeah. Wow. Hey, that'll do it for here. That is the truth. I'll be there. Hell yeah. Wow. Hey, that'll do it for this episode of Doughboys and until next time, for The Spoon Man, I'm Mike Mitchell. I'm Tiger Wiger. Happy eating! See ya!