Ear Biscuits with Rhett & Link - 203: Are We Too Nice? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 203

Episode Date: July 22, 2019

Fan service vs. family time, getting car sickness in a swerving, hot rideshare, and downing a less-than-satisfying drink at the bar are just some of the struggles R&L have faced recently when trying to be overly nice. Find out what being nice truly means on this episode of Ear Biscuits! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So three week break, opportunity for you to listen to some older Ear Biscuits, maybe one you missed or your favorite one. And we'll be back on August 19th, right after we get back from our big vacations that we will fill you in all about. Welcome to Ear Biscuits, I'm Rhett. And I'm Link.

This week at the round table of dim lighting, we ask the question, are we too nice? Hmm. Are we too nice? You mean like too nice like the old, wasn't there a musician named Too Nice? There was a rapper named D-Nice. There wasn't a too nice with like a two and then a nice?

My name is D-Nice. I remember your brother owned that CD. I thought that was Denise. And it wasn't that memorable. See, Jacob said there was a Too Nice. There's also a Too Nice? Well look up D-Nice because the letter D, the space, which is a space, and then the word nice.

Because too nice doesn't sound like a cool name for a musician. You don't wanna be too nice. D-Nice. D-Nice. D-Nice. Oh I know, Cole had that CD. Man I'd go into his room when I was going over to your house.

He had it all. Hanging out with you. You didn't even have a CD player. He had a CD player, man, and he had rap CDs and I'd go in there and I'd listen to him and I'd listen to them. Listen to him. Well, I'd listen to him talk about his CDs

and occasionally he'd play them. He had much better music taste than you did. Well, he was, I think he also was. Oh, it's the older brother syndrome. Older brother, yeah. I technically had access to his library. I knew it was all being handed down to me. You couldn't play it though

because you didn't have a CD player. I eventually had a CD player. Of course eventually you did. But I had a tape player for a long time. There was a weird moment when he transitioned to CDs where I was a little bit left in the dark. But also we had thin walls in the house and we shared a wall.

So I kind of listened to like muffled D-Nice. Yeah, did you ever talk to him through the wall? I mean, I never, I know this is not what we're talking about, but we're talking about it. This is related to much of my dream. Your dream. I mean, I have to tell you the dream I had that you were in.

All right, so we're gonna talk about are we too nice? It is a question that we've asked ourselves and each other many times. I didn't talk to him through the wall. But first, your dream. I yelled at him through the wall and vice versa. Shut up! That kind of thing, you know. That's ironic.

But there was no prison sort of communication between the two walls. And the reason I say prison is because that's what my dream was about. And I believe, and my wife pointed this out when I told her about this dream. She said the reason you dream this is because of that question that we got in the live LTAT at VidCon

where the question was who would survive better in prison. And your answer was not me. I just said I don't think Linky Poo would do too well. In prison. In prison. I didn't know what you meant by that. I think most people do. That wasn't very nice. Yeah, I'm not too nice, man.

I'm de-nice. Okay, so I had a dream that you were in prison. And you were in prison for murder. Oh crap. I knew no details. All I knew is that you had been falsely accused. Oh good. And I don't know if it was because I just knew

in your character so well that you're not capable of murder but I just think that the pretense. Don't think Linky Boo not capable of murder. But I just think that the pretense. Don't think Linky Boo's capable of murder. The pretense in the dream was that I was going to talk to you about how we were going to get you out legally, not break you out, but I was gonna, I was like, it's a false accusation. So for some reason, the prison was in Keith Hills.

For some reason, the prison was in Keith Hills. So the golf course, the gated neighborhood slash golf course that was next to where we both grew up in Buies Creek. That we're going to next week. That we're going to visit. So all this is on your mind. Maybe there is a, I know they expanded the golf course. I have not heard that they added a prison. Well golfers can be very, very disorderly sometimes.

They break clubs and stuff, it would be nice to have a detention center for them. So you were on your way to the prison which was in the golf course. I got, no, I was at the prison. I was at the prison and the prison was near the river. The prison was basically where we're going to be next week. Okay.

Like in that area like where Senator Morgan's old house was. Okay. And so I go and my mission is to talk to you about like, dude, we've gotta get a lawyer, like we need to engage, we have to try to fight this. And you were completely completely disengaged. I'd settled in.

You had completely settled in and you were like. I see, I do well in prison. I make myself right at home. You do well in golf prison. You do well in golf prison. Did it have golf course accoutrements? No, it was. Was there like a?

It was like, well, I'll explain. It was almost like it was just a building, maybe with a gate. Low security. Like a medium to low security prison. Okay. For murder. Who did I kill, supposedly?

I don't have the details of the murder. I'd like, they didn't register with me. I just knew that you were innocent and I was like, I gotta talk to Link about this. But when I began talking to you about it, again, like you were like not responsive to the idea of like challenging this. Was I dejected or was I happy?

What was my state? You were indifferent, you were disengaged. And I was very mad. I was very upset with you. Yeah, because I did want to get into also your emotional state, because I think this could be revealing. So before I made you angry, what was your emotional state?

Were you crying, were you? The beginning of the dream, at least as far as I remember, was I am at goth prison and I've gotta figure this out. I gotta get Link out of here. It was just very much just, that was it. And then I'm like, I'm gonna go in there and start talking to you in like the area where you can talk to prisoners.

You have on an orange shirt. Was there a? Orange jumpsuit. No, I'm sitting at a table with you. Okay. And. But no touching. And I was like, hey man, you didn't do this, we gotta get your story out there, and you just weren't saying anything.

You were kinda just looking at me like, why are you so upset about this? So then, the door opens. Oh. And I'm like, this isn't just like the door to the room opens and there's a hall, no the door opens and there's just woods. Oh yeah.

It's not a well designed prison, like the door opens and we can just woods. It's like, not a well designed prison, like the door opens and we can totally get out. Was there like music and a special light like, haaa. That doesn't happen in my dreams. So I looked at you and I was like, let's go. Because I was, what was happening in my brain was, we gotta go through this long legal procedure

to get him out, he's not even on board. Were you thinking about content? Were you thinking about our careers or were you just thinking about our friendship? I really need to know, Rhett. I can make up an answer? That would make you feel a certain way? No. No, no, I'm saying I don't know.

It's a dream. It's a fragmented reality, you know what I'm saying? It was probably all wrapped up together. So I was probably thinking like prison content. The funny thing is, is as you, you did, it took you a second to be like okay I'm gonna go, but you ran out after me. And my old Dodge Intrepid that I drove

at the end of high school and the beginning of college was the car that I was driving because that's how these things happen in dreams. And I just get into the Intrepid and start driving and you are running after the Intrepid. Like it's a train, like catching a train? So in other words, I'm running away without the guy that I'm trying to get out of prison.

It's like, where am I going? I just visited prison, I don't have to leave in a hurry. It seemed that I had a motivation issue, so you really needed to get me off the dime. Then you're running next to the car, and then I'm like, get into the car. And you're like, but my shirt is messed up. What?

And I look and the sleeves of your orange jumpsuit are detached and you've taped them all. And you're trying to get the tape right. That's important, can't get into a getaway vehicle if your sleeves are not perfect. I'm like, don't worry about the jumpsuit! Get in the Intrepid! Ironically, it would've been better

to shed the jumpsuit. You don't wanna be driving around town in an Intrepid with a prison uniform on. Did it have like golf insignias or anything on it? No golf relation. There's nothing related to golf. Did I get in? You got in.

We start driving down that part of the circle in Keith Hills and we're driving towards Wiggins' old house like coming around that way. The big house. And. Well I guess prison's the old house, like coming around that way. The big house. And. Well, I guess prison's the big house, but he had a large house. And apparently the security response is incredibly quick because literally we've been out of prison for 17 seconds

and there's already cops with teams of dogs. Wow. Like coming, cops with teams of dogs coming through the yards along all the houses right there on the river. Just coming out of the woodwork. And we just drive by them. Slow. Yeah, I wouldn't wanna draw any attention.

Just keep it cool. I wanted to make sure they saw your orange sleeves. That guy's sleeves are intact. Well, they're taped a little bit. Nah, doesn't seem suspicious. And as is the case with a lot of dreams that reach a real point of excitement like that. I woke up at that moment.

You woke up, you woke up. Then the weirdest thing happened. Now this was Saturday night. I ended up staying Saturday night because Locke ended up having some games in Anaheim, basketball games, so I was like, oh, I've already got the hotel room, let's stay at VidCon for another day.

And so this dream woke me up at about five o'clock in the morning. Now I had every reason and intention to go back to sleep. But the thing that I could not stop thinking about is how to get away from the cops. While you were awake? I was awake and I was literally, I was trying to go back to sleep

and as I would go back to sleep, the thing that I would almost begin dreaming about was picking up the chase where it left off and what I was gonna do, like a choose your own adventure. And I went through all these things, I was like, well, they're definitely like, trying to drive out, there's only one way out of the gate. Like there's no, they're gonna have the gate barricaded,

like we can't get out. So what we should have done is we should have gone down to the river and I was like should we have crossed the river? No, because they would find us, they've got helicopters and stuff and I was like no, what we should have done is we should have waited until it was night and then we should have gotten into a canoe and gone way down the river

and then we should have gotten out of the river at one of those places where there was like a little hut for like fishing and hunting that sometimes people build on the river and then let the boat continue to go down the river so they'll find the boat miles down the river but they, and so they won't be able, like I had, I thought about this for 45 minutes.

That we died and you find the canoe, it's like broken up on some rapids. Oh they drowned, yeah. Yeah. But really we're just living large in some little catfish hut. Could have taken off the jumpsuit or at least the sleeves, put them in the river.

It's like oh, he either lost his arms, his sleeves, or he's dissolved. Throw the, yeah you gotta throw some articles of clothing. So you were thinking all of this. Trying to go back to sleep, not wanting to think it. But I was like if I don't figure out the best way to get away from the cops at the golf prison, I'm not gonna be able to get good sleep.

And when I figured out I think it's canoeing at night, then I was like okay, and I went back to sleep. Haven't thought about it since. I don't think we ever actually canoed at night, did we? Of all the canoeing that we did on the Cape Fear River. No, I did a lot of. I don't recall any night canoeing. A lot of night fishing, night fishing,

and we did a lot of night river crossing. Yeah. Because sometimes we would get down there too late or whatever. It's dangerous to be on a, I mean you need to have a spotlight I would think in order to navigate any rapids or whatever. I also wonder is there a,

I bet you there is a golf prison somewhere in the world and it's probably Sweden. You know they probably got, isn't that where like the really posh prisons are? Is that one of the Scandinavian? Scandinavian prisons in general are nice. Norwegian prisons are nice. Are golf courses nice in Scandinavia?

Why am I asking you? I would think so. Why would they be bad? Because it's cold. It's icy. You can get snowy up there. But it's not always snowy. It's like under the snow there's a nice golf prison.

It only opens in the summer and then in the winter we send the prisoners to the ski resort prison. That's what they do, you know? I don't know how it works. But if I am gonna ever kill somebody it will be in Scandinavia. I do think if I went to prison, our working relation, this is how it would play out.

Like you would have to do all the thinking. I mean, I'm not gonna sit in there like the hurricane and like try to figure out my own defense, you know, and like start writing letters to advocates who can come in and get me out of prison. Well, this is just how it is, man. Don't worry so much about it. I've already started etching how many days I'm here

on my cell and I've started way up here in the corner so I don't wanna run out of space. I be thinking things like that. Right. You gotta think strategically. You don't wanna start etching the days on your cell like right in the middle. And then what are you gonna do, a spiral pattern?

No, you gotta start in like an upper right hand corner. I don't think they let you do that anymore and also don't think it's necessary because I think you just ask the guard, what's the date and he just tells you. Or you ask your caddy at the golf prison. You know, it's like, how many yards to my release? You know, do I need a three iron to get out of here?

Is that a thing, a three iron? Three wood? No, three iron is a thing, yeah. Yeah, it's nine irons. You know, I wonder how it would impact the prison. Is that true, are there nine irons? Well, it just depends on what bag you're in. But yeah, nine iron is the highest numbered iron.

Okay, see, I know stuff. There are as many as three or four irons of increasing loft above that that are called like pitching wedge and sand wedge and lob wedge and gap wedge and things like that. And then some people like my father and me, by the way, we don't play with a three iron, we play with a three hybrid.

It's for people who need a little bit more help because it's hard to hit those long irons. These are the kind of conversations I'm having in prison, by the way. Well, I'm gonna teach. I'm a gang leader. I'm a golf gang leader conversations I'm having in prison by the way. Well I'm gonna teach. I'm a gang leader. I'm a golf gang leader. Golf prison.

Oh that's your in. That's how I get into the prison. And then you're sneaking over there and digging a hole for me. With a three iron. I am. I don't use it to hit a golf ball with. I mean, Christy and I.

The shovel. Christy and I got in a little kerfuffle about you know in the wake of the earthquakes and we were talking about the dynamic of like why she's gathering all this earthquake stuff and ordering it and I was like, she's baffled by my, just like I was acting in golf prison, just kinda, okay, it'll be fine.

If I ignore the fact I'm in golf prison, I think it'll be okay. And I'm like, well you know. Where's that come from? I don't know, I think it's a. It's your coping mechanism. I don't know what the word is, if it's codependency or if it's just laziness but like,

when you were ordering all that apocalypse stuff and I was like hey, you know, can you just double your order? You graciously did and I felt good about that. It feels good knowing that someone else is worrying about it. And I said, Christy, it's not that I don't think it's valid, it's that I think that I trust you. I know that you're very attuned to the dangers

associated with it and being prepared as much as possible. So I know I don't have to worry about that. I have this, to a fault, I have this heightened sense of like brain power allocation. And if I start allocating brain power to like earthquake or apocalypse preparedness, that's less I've got to allocate towards something else like perfectly optimizing our vacation plans.

So that was my response to Christy and I was like, you got this girl and I got this, girl? So let's not, there's no implied judgment here that I, but it does make me look a little stupid. It's like. You look pretty stupid in the dream, yeah. Well I think it was the sleeves. It was the sleeves.

They didn't help. I mean they were taped. You should've taped them. You should've just gone sleeveless because that's a look that I think it was the sleeves. It was the sleeves. They didn't help. I mean they were taped. You should have taped them. You should have just gone sleeveless because that's a look that I think would work in golf prison. Right, you really assert yourself. Has there ever been a golfer, and I'm not talking about in prison, sleeveless?

I think it's against the dress code. They got a dress code? Yeah, I think. Golf and tennis, they need to loosen up. You have to have your shirt tucked in. Yes. I don't know. I mean. You have to have your shirt tucked in. Yes. I don't know. I mean basketball players have to tuck their shirt in

but I think that there's something to do with like I think it's just a, safety. It's respecting the game. And defense. I think it's just respect, like you don't have to wear. It's control. Well you know, you don't, and I think Tiger was. It's old farts trying to seem like they.

Well no, I don't necessarily think so. I think it's just, it's a tradition. But I think, you know, Tiger wears that mock turtleneck a lot of times. Like he wears red on Sunday. And that's pushing the limits. And I don't recall specifically, but my guess is that it must have been controversial

when he decided to wear that the first time. It's like, oh, it doesn't have a collar. I mean, maybe there was a discussion about the rules at that point. I don't know, somebody looked that up. His shirt doesn't button and it creeps up to the bottom of his Adam's apple. It's almost a turtleneck, but it kind of feels

like it's just pretending to be a turtleneck. Let's call it a mock turtleneck. Okay, well, that's not what we're gonna talk about. We're not gonna talk anymore about golf and turtlenecks in prison or golf prison. We're going to talk about whether or not we're too nice and how that relates to some personal things and also some professional things. Wherever you're going, you better believe American Express will be right there with you. Heading for adventure?

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news show with the best celebrity guests. And hot takes galore. So join us every Friday wherever you get your podcasts and watch full video episodes on Crunchyroll or on the Crunchyroll YouTube channel. Are we too nice? I really don't know where this conversation is going to go. Maybe we can tee it up with... where this conversation is gonna go. Maybe we can tee it up with, it is true that we do find ourselves

asking that question at times. There's different ways to look at this. I'm gonna let you start anywhere you want, I'm just trying to set the table. Because I think that there's, our public persona, like part of our brand is that we're nice guys, but I'd like to, so we can explore that. And it's not just public, I do like to believe

that it's private. And then obviously we can explore the personal nature of, yeah, I think we're nice guys. Well my most. Is that because we're southern? Is that just because, is that for other, what are the reasons? I think we talked at some point about our conflict avoidance

and how that was sort of a deeply southern thing. I think some of it is related to that. For me, the most interesting aspect of this conversation is professionally and how it relates to our content, but I do, because it's so fresh, I do, and it's very relevant. I wanna tell this story that happened before my dream and was probably the meal that I was digesting

when I had my dream. Okay. Which is a Saturday night dinner with my family. Now I've never taken my entire family to VidCon. And this was the first time that that had happened. They came in a little bit late and it turns out Locke had a couple of basketball games in Anaheim that we had to stick around for,

I think I already said this. Just told so many people now, I'm repeating things. So we spent the night on Saturday night and we were gonna go grab some dinner and I was like, we should do something that's not super close to VidCon because there'll be a bunch of people from VidCon.

Technically, we're not supposed to be out and about anywhere near VidCon. It's a security concern, right? So they don't even let us do it. And if you do, then that's another night where you have to be nice. You have to manufacture niceness for fans. Right.

Because you're so mean in real life, which we'll get to later. And so, you know that restaurant Roy's? There's one in Pasadena. It's like a Hawaiian place. Never heard of it. I've seen it around. It's a chain that I think is not,

does it go outside of California? Maybe it does, I don't know. But we wanted to go there. A Hawaiian restaurant? It's like a Hawaiian steakhouse, like a upscale Hawaiian restaurant. Okay. So not like a Hawaiian barbecue, like strip mall situation.

And I was like, okay, let's go there. And didn't realize that it was actually very close to the convention center. Like it was far away from the hotel, but it was close to the convention center. And so I got a little bit nervous as we're like pulling up, but it was actually very close to the convention center. Like it was far away from the hotel, but it was close to the convention center. And so I got a little bit nervous as we're like pulling up, but it was kind of late. I was like, there might be a lot.

And so then as we're driving kind of past, it's sort of like an outdoor mall kind of area. I do see a lot of lanyards and I'm like, oh, this is kind of a VidCon crowd. And you know, we had just done our meet and greet. And not that I don't have a capacity, I was actually just worried about kind of violating the rules, honestly. But I was also like, the kids have been here,

I haven't spent a lot of time with them, and I kinda wanna just go have a nice dinner with them. So I told Jessie as we were pulling into the parking garage, I was like, I'm gonna do the thing that we talked about on a previous one. The Sterling K. Brown. Sterling K. Brown. We just call it the Sterling K. Brown.

That is what it is, right? And that is when, if approached, you say I'm with my family, I'm sorry. Like if somebody wants a picture or somebody wants an autograph or whatever, you just say I'm sorry, I'm with my family. And that's a very difficult thing. I don't know if you've instituted that,

how many times you've instituted that. It's a very difficult thing for me to do because I am a nice guy, right? And I also, for all the reasons that we talked about in the past, I feel a sense of obligation to fans to be nice and give them a moment. Now, so I go in, but I'm like,

I'm gonna hold to this, guys. I was like, I'm gonna do the Sterling K. Brown. We get out of the, and everybody's on board, family's on board, seemingly, at the time. We get out of the car, we go to the elevator that is gonna go. Roy got an elevator? No, no, it was like, there was a parking deck

and then it was like an outdoor mall, so you gotta go from the parking deck up. Dang! Roy doesn't have an elevator that I know of. And we're getting ready to get on the elevator. My dad has an elevator in his beach house. Oh that's cool. I don't know, just bragging a little.

And a woman. His house is on stilts. A mom and a little girl, probably 12. Immediate test. Come up. Now I recognize at least the mom, but I think both of them, from the meet and greet. They had just been in the meet and greet.

Okay. I have thoughts, but go ahead. But I kinda didn't remember that until after they went away, to be honest with you. Okay. I was like, oh crap, they were the meet and greet. 250 people, you can't remember everybody. I bet they remembered it.

So I said, she comes up and she's like, I saw them looking at me and I was like, here we go. Little girl comes up and she's got a bag and she's like, would you please sign this? And when you say here we go, you're like, here we go, this is a test in front of my family if I'm gonna Sterling K. Brown this moment. Yeah. Okay.

She has the bag. She says, will you please sign this? And what's the family configuration at this point? Because I think that's important. It's four people in my family, including me. I mean physically, where are they standing? We're all standing outside of an elevator waiting for it to open.

Okay. And I will say that no one else was around, okay? No one else was around. but I literally in the car, not just 30 seconds ago said, I'm Sterling K. Browning this situation. I'm not going off of that. Little girl says, can you please sign this? And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm with my family.

Oh, let's do. Okay, okay, okay. She looks a little upset, little shocked, including the mom. But they were nice enough, when you say family, they're like, oh, oh, okay, and then they kinda just went away. We get on the elevator, Shepard says,

Dad, that was a little girl. I'm like, what? And then Locke's like, yeah, and nobody was around. I'm like, well, I'm doing this for y'all. Why you gonna criticize me? Dang. Because if you would've done it, you'd have got on an elevator and you imagined it playing out as you would've turned and said,

hey, it was a little girl. And there was no one else around. Right, and I got so close to doing it, but I was like, this is the first test. And then what did they say? Well, it continued, of course, throughout the night. I just mean the assessment of that, was that the end of that or did they say? Well, it continued of course throughout the night. I just mean the assessment of that, was that the end of that or did they say,

but you know what? No, no, no, no, I said, you know what? We're glad you did it. I feel bad, I probably should have called an audible in that situation. I gotta read the environment better. No. But that requires too much thinking.

No, no, no, no, no. You think I was still right? Your boys. I'm a nice guy. Your boys. Too nice. I think they didn't articulate what they felt, which was prioritized, man. That's the point. And you know what? Yeah.

You did the right thing. You did the nice thing. You were nice to those that you love the most for once. Yeah, yeah, that's right. When we were walking the floor at VidCon, you asked if I've done the Sterling K. Brown thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'll let you continue with your story.

I'm talking with Lily because it was, the Sterling K. Brown thing happened to Lily and Christy. You know, it was like me going up to him saying, you know, my girls are big fans. And then he Sterling K. Brown me. And I gained so much more respect for the guy who I already had so much for. Right.

So Lily experienced, you know, being on the non-receiving end of a Sterling K. Brown personally. And then, so, and we had had this discussion about this can become a part of what I do. Yeah. So we're walking around the convention floor when it's just for creators and their families.

But with a lot of a lot of creators and their families want to come up to us and get pictures taken even in that environment. And I actually checked in with you as we were going out into the hall. And Lily did first with you as we were going out into the hall. And Lily did first and she, as we're walking in, she was like, dad, are you gonna Sterling K. Brown these people?

Maybe just call it SKB. SKB them? Yeah. And I was like, I've already been thinking about that, yes. Because they want to go to things, they're like moving and then they turn around and I'm back taking a picture with somebody and it is very frustrating. It's like a perfect place to SKB.

And she asked me about it and I was like yeah, I'm gonna do that and then it immediately happened and I was like I'm here with my family and I gestured and they were walking ahead so it was like, it was actually perfect. You see how you're holding me up right now, I'm trying to be with them. I can't even physically be with them.

It's not like they're standing there in an elevator thinking that I'm the one making the mistake. Right. And it felt good. And I also did it. I saw Lily turn around and she heard me say it and then I caught up with them and it was just a little twinkle in the eye

and no word needed to be said and it was like, okay, you know what? Well my kids did not appreciate me in the same way. I think in their heart they might. At all, at all. I mean, there's a little girl. All right, just go back on it then. No, I'm not going back on it.

And I will say that. You kept doing it? In the restaurant. Well, on the way to the restaurant, somebody asked and I SKB'd them. And then in the restaurant, there was a family that was sitting there and you could see it, the discussion began to happen.

It's like, when are we gonna go over there? They waited until our desserts had come or whatever, like we got through our meal. Okay. I guess I was just lost heart by that point and they asked for a picture and I was like, okay, we can get a quick one. I probably said it in a very unenthusiastic way which made them feel horrible.

That sounded pretty unenthusiastic. Okay, we'll get a quick one. At the end of VidCon, I'm drained unlike any other. I had literally just done the all of Saturday and ended with a meet and greet. Oh gosh, yeah, that's tough. You know, it does take, because we do try to be there for people and be present

and some people have a story to tell that maybe, we don't want people to not tell us something if they've got something to say, but unless you're a robot, it's an emotionally draining experience and you're kind of just ready to pull back from all that. Well, if I may, I suggest that we skip from fan interactions to other types of niceties

because I thought you were, when you were talking about Roy's, I thought you were actually gonna talk about the most quintessential nicety, which is how was your meal? Oh yeah. And I think that's another. We did a whole podcast on that. We did a whole podcast on that one,

so I don't wanna camp out there, but I think I still cannot say, like toe the party line of niceness and say, cause here's the deal. The opposite of nice is not mean in this conversation. The opposite of nice is not being a jerk or being cold hearted. The opposite of nice is what?

Well sometimes honesty. Honesty and you know it's so hard to do it because you just and I think if I'm totally honest with myself now about being honest with the waiter, it's like well, you know, the meal wasn't that great. I was disappointed in the so and so. The reason why I don't like doing it is because it just makes you seem like an entitled jerk.

Kinda like talking about how you got fans and you don't wanna be nice to them. That's the risk, right? That's why we don't like talking about it. And sometimes, and I'm sure we talked about this when we talked about it, but sometimes it's just not worth it. But I had this happen to me when I was in North Carolina.

We were at a restaurant, just Jessie and I, and it was one of those situations, it was a waterfront restaurant and we're sitting there and then about 10 minutes into, all we had was drinks at the time, the waiter comes up and is like, would you guys like to move closer to the water? And again, it's very difficult to not take that as like,

is this because they knew who I am or are they just being nice to me? And it's a problem, you know. It turns out it was because the manager was a fan. That's how we got the table upgrade. But what's your point, you refused it? No, no, no, I took it, but then the waitress asked me what do you want to drink,

like it was like a second drink or whatever, and I was like, the bar's got mezcal, right? I was like, I asked for a mezcal sour, which thanks to our good friend, Jaden, he introduced me to that drink. I really like it. And mezcal is one of my favorite liquors. Smoky.

And you could see on her face that immediately she didn't really know exactly what I was talking about. Maybe hadn't heard that before. Uh-oh. But she was like, I think the bartender will be able to figure something out. Bring me a drink. Long story short, I drank it.

The drink was really not good at all. And when she came back and asked, how's that drink? I was like, you know. Oh, you did it? It's not great. You did it! Yeah. Man, just listen to the personal growth on this podcast.

But here's the thing, I felt like an asshole. Your face really scrunched up even when you retold it. Because I had gotten a table upgrade. Yeah. Just take what you can get at this point, man. But the thing is is that I kinda wanted her to know that if somebody orders this drink and you give them this, they ain't gonna be happy.

What did she say? And she was like, oh, okay. But here's where the nice guy came in. I was like, I'll probably drink it. And I did. I'll probably drink it? I kept drinking it. That's odd.

I know, man. Yeah, that. Too nice. Well, okay, this morning, too nice. My name is D-Nice. My name is D-Nice. That's kind of the rhythm of the song if I remember it correctly.

Yeah, I'm doing the too nice stuff. You could do the D-Nice stuff. Had to Uber in this morning. I was texting you. I was like, can I get a ride? I was working out, man. Like nothing. And my Apple Watch battery dies.

I'm looking at the phones like nothing. Like you were texting Stevie, like I was on a thread with you and Stevie and you were texting her and then I'm on this other thread like right below it and I'm like, can I get a ride? Nothing. And I'm like, what's going on? And then I'm like, question mark, send.

I did see that. And then you're like still talking to Steve. You weren't, you were talking about being at the gym. You were ghosting my ride text. I did not see. And then you were like, I actually Ubered. I didn't see any of your texts. Why are you ghosting me?

What I was doing is I would check in, in between like. If I were in golf prison. I was working out and then I had to take a shower. And then I. You're gonna come through for me, man. I never saw it until the very end, until I got through in my shower.

You had Uber in too. Yeah, because our cars were here. Man, I hate, I hate riding in cars where other people are driving because I'm so much better at it than everybody. I just don't know why, like I'm trying, I'm gonna get, I'm sure I'll get into it later, like teaching Lily to drive, so I'll leave that out of this.

That's a whole other podcast. But I just pride myself on like being a smooth driver. People don't know how to stop and go. They don't, they really don't. They don't think, you need to drive like you've got an egg, balancing on the dashboard, okay? Yes, and you know what? That's how you make an enjoyable ride.

The DMV should sell those. Yeah, you'd break the egg, you lose your license. Well, you know what? I'm gonna carry one around whenever I'm in a car that's being chauffeured. You break this egg, I'll give you two stars. Like an Uber. The Uber egg. Yes. The Uber egg.

Yeah. Uber should sell it. Or Lyft. The Lyft egg. That just sounds like you're stealing an egg though. Okay. Could be called the ride share egg. Well, like we were riding in an Uber to the airport and I'm like, if you're a professional driver, you should be able to drive professionally.

I mean, you should be good at it. But nobody gets into the details of that stopping and going. I get car sick, man. I get car sick. They don't ever, no one teaches that. And no one is honest about it. And also I'm a control freak, yes. It's like, hey, bro, could you learn to slow down

more smoothly and speed up? and don't keep tapping your brake every five seconds. The guy, did you notice, it was me and Stevie and we were going to the airport. And we never talked about it but I don't know if you noticed at one point in the middle of our conversation, he was like herky jerky and us around and I'm like, I start like violently gesturing

with my hands like behind him in the seat like this. Like I was so angry because I was getting sick. Right. I don't get car sick, I just don't enjoy it. But I did, you know, and I was so close to saying something. Like he was so friendly when we got in the car, he introduced himself, I was like, you know what? If I would have remembered his name,

then I might say something now. Like Raphael, would you mind, we're not in that big of a hurry, so would you mind, I couldn't formulate what I would say, but because I didn't know his name, I gave up. But let's say I did know his name, I still don't know what I would have said that was nice but still got my point across

which is hey man, we're, Raphael, we're, how do you do this? I don't know. Raphael, we're not in a hurry and I'm prone to car sickness. Can you just make it more about me and my shortcomings? I think that would be helpful, yeah. I'm prone to car sickness, can you just, you know, make it more about me and like my shortcomings? I think that would be helpful, yeah. I'm prone to car sickness. And the real, the herky-jerky stopping and going

is very troublesome. Can you just stay in one lane and smooth it out? I mean, change lanes if we need to get into, like go on a different road. But otherwise, all this aggressive stuff is not making me like you more. But you know it would be a lot easier if you were like, hey Raphael, here's an egg.

Could you just? Yes, yes. And you know what, if the egg falls, you get two stars. I mean, and then he'd be like, got it. You know, at that point, I think this is. I love this idea. Now, it's not just a regular egg, and I realize that an egg will roll off.

It's an egg that's sitting on a little, what do you call it? It's got a pedestal. A pedestal. And then it can teeter off in any way. Its natural state is to be balanced. And if there's a sudden stop. But I didn't say anything. Yeah.

Here's an even more pointed example. This morning on the Uber, I almost sat in the front seat, but then it drastically increases the chances that I have to talk to the driver, so I sat in the back seat and I got car sick because the guy's herky jerky and all over the place like busting the egg that I don't have

because the brilliant idea had not been hatched. But that wasn't the thing. The thing was, he's getting in the carpool lane, I was like oh this is good, we're passing a lot of people on like the, I don't know, the 134 or whatever that is. And then it's like we gotta get on the five but he's over here in the 134 and I look at his GPS and you can get out of the carpool lane,

it's got the dotted lines like this is the place that he needs to get over to take my exit onto the five. Yep, yep, can't wait too late. And he's darting and he's going so fast and I look at his GPS and first of all, he had a GPS and most of them do but you'd be surprised how many drivers never look at the GPS because it's down on their lap or something and he had it mounted up there so I could see it.

I'm like okay, this guy, I like this guy. And it still said 1.34 so it was not telling him to get on the five yet. So it was not telling him to get on the five yet. In the next few yards, it actually did change, but by that point, he was trapped in the carpool lane and could not legally exit it. But I'm seeing all this unfold and we're back a couple of notches.

It's still telling him to stay in the carpool lane or on the 134. I know he needs to exit. But I couldn't say anything. Just like for the previous 10 minutes, it was hot as Hades in the back seat and I could not bring myself to ask him to turn the AC up. Really, I've seen you do that with a driver. I've seen you ask for an adjustment before.

And I'm having this internal dialogue, I'm like, it's not worth it, it's not worth it. Somehow me asking him to change the AC is not nice. It's like, I'll blame you. You've guilted me into not putting my peculiarity on the people. And then so I couldn't even tell him to exit and then he's like, he's going straight

and he's trapped in the carpool lane. I'm like, this is gonna add 15 to 20 minutes to my ride. Yeah, this could be disastrous. This is horrible. Yeah, this could be the end of the world. And so I'm like, I really think you need to get, you need to take this exit, but there's no real way out of the carpool lane.

He's like, oh, and at that point the GPS changed to say he needed to exit, and he just broke the law and just did it, and I'm like, I'm so glad he did that. Like even if he'd have broke the egg at that point, I would have given him five stars. He's like going over, and I'm like, yeah, you know, the GPS is always late at this point. I'm totally lying. Yeah, that's not true. I'm like, yeah, you know, the GPS is always late at this point, I'm totally lying.

Yeah, that's not true. I'm making this up. I'm totally making this up. Yeah, making it feel good. Yeah, the GPS, the only thing I've said to the guy besides, that was your exit, was then, yeah, the GPS is always late at this point and it's difficult because you're trapped in the carpool lane. Yep.

And he's like, what did he say? He said something weird. And I was like, is he talking to me or himself? It was like, it was basically like, I'm fine, man. It was like that, I'm fine, man. Yeah, I've done this before. I don't need your commentary. And I was like, well I was trying to be nice.

Or encouragement. I think I, you know. He was saying he didn't need the emotional support that you were offering. Yeah, probably didn't. It's just, I'm so, it's just hard to tell a driver what you want. It's like, is he my driver at this moment?

Like, hey, you know what, you should be in the far, I have so many opinions, you know? I do know. And it's like, but even I am overridden with niceness at that point, to a fault. Well, I had. Missing exits and stuff. I also Ubered in and had Ubered to the gym and then Ubered from the gym to here.

And so I had two different drivers this morning. And driver number one, I sat in the front seat because he had a very small car and I was like, sometimes in the back seat with me, my head will hit the ceiling. Yeah, he got you. In most cars actually. Got your chin on your knees.

And you know, there was some small talk about the weather and I was like, is this gonna turn into a conversation? Mm. And of course I'm hoping not. He brought up the weather, because you're in the front seat. Yeah, I know, I'm inviting this. But I was told that you can indicate on the app

if you're a conversationalist or not. And I know I said that. I haven't looked into that. You said you're not. What? A conversationalist. I was told that that option exists but I have not seen it either. So I ended up just kind of getting on my phone

and then I started thinking, again, I feel like if you look at a pie chart of my brain activity at this point, at least 10%, sometimes revving up to 30 to 40% of my brain activity is focused on what this guy thinks of me and it isn't even in the context of what his rating is gonna be of me. It's literally like, does this guy gonna think I'm a jerk

because I'm on my phone the whole time? Or is he gonna think that I'm like addicted to my phone? Like why do I care? Who cares? Even saying nice things is not really about being nice. And maybe this is the key to unlocking some new practice is the realization that our niceties are much more about us and about shaping perception than it is about

actually being nice to somebody, being kind to someone. I think a lot of it is just rooted in ego. Yeah. I do. I think there is a very human thing to do, but I think that one of the reasons that sometimes you may interpret an older person as being blunt or not nice, sometimes they are just jerks. But I think in a lot of cases, it's that they have

actually lost some of their ego as they've gotten older, which if you're healthy, I think in a lot of cases it's that they have actually lost some of their ego as they've gotten older, which if you're healthy, I think is the direction that you should be heading in, that you're getting less and less about yourself and more and more about others as you get older. And so I do think that, and I like to use the word candidness because I do think that sometimes that's what it is.

It's just like, this person told me what they thought. And again, it's not being super, I do think that sometimes being super particular about things and then expecting everybody to fall in line, that can become an annoying thing, right? But I don't think that's what asking somebody to adjust the temperature if you're hot in an Uber is about. I think it's like, well,

I kind of don't wanna be burning up back here and I know that this person probably actually does care about what temperature it is. Some drivers ask you, is it okay? Is it okay back there? So it's reasonable and not jerky to say something about it. But I think that a big part of it is this reputation management

with people that you'll never see again, which is weird. Yeah. But it's just this wanting so badly to be liked and to not ruffle feathers that you end up doing a disservice to people. And I do think that we- And yourself, because you're blazing up in the back seat. I think that's a term for smoking weed

and that's not what I mean. Right, yeah, yeah. But I think there's also a button for that on the app. My name is D-Nice. I'm gonna blaze up, just be ready. I'm a conversationalist blazer. I've never thought about that, but I have thought about, can I just bring Jade in an Uber?

This is just a tangent, but I was wondering that this morning. And again, for niceness, I was like, I would think so. I don't want a negative rating because this whole rating thing is part of it too. Like, it's a quantified version of what we're talking about. It's like, I'm gonna treat you in a way,

not that I want to be treated or just because you're another human that I wanna be nice to, I wanna treat you in a way so that you will give me a good rating. That's messed up, man. I literally think about my rating on Uber. I have no clue what it is and I don't think it has

any bearing on anything. I don't know when it comes into play and I don't know when people can come to a conclusion about it. But if Jade was just sitting in my lap, she'd be here right now. I don't think it But if Jade was just sitting in my lap, she'd be here right now. I don't think it would be a problem. I guess there are some Uber, maybe all.

Plenty of people who'd have a problem with a dog in their car. Maybe all ride share operators have to be okay with dogs. Maybe they indicate that somewhere on the app, maybe. I don't know, that's a good question. We don't know the answer to that. Especially with Jade, it's like Jade is not a giant dog. If you have a Great Dane or something like that,

that could be a problem. I could probably keep her hidden, wouldn't even know she was there. Yeah, so I mean, what about niceness when it comes to content? Because the stuff that we create, there are entire channels built on, well, of course there's channel's built on drama. I'm not really, I'm not talking about drama as much as,

I don't know, I guess this is like a bordering territory to it that I'll just call the hot takes, man. You know, you've got an opinion on something and you've, you know, so much, and it's not just digital content, but like radio for years, television, all types of talk content is, so we can talk about it as it relates to Ear Biscuits,

is successful because it's just, it's hot takes. It's opinions, it's, I mean, and a lot of times there's a lot of, it could be like some, it's supercharged with some vitriol, some anger, some bitterness, some just like complaints, like the opposite of being nice, being brutally honest or just having a punchy opinion. And that's not, maybe we started to do a little bit of that honest or just having a punchy opinion.

And that's not, maybe we started to do a little bit of that but not really. I think that when we, on Ear Biscuits, we kinda, we resist the urge to like give our unfettered opinions on things because, do you think there's a niceness component there? What's going on there? Are we too nice when it comes to our content? Well, I think that's part of it.

Yeah, I think it's really complex because I do think that there is just something about our personalities naturally, whether it's niceness or however you would wanna describe it that we don't tend to be, we're both opinionated for sure, but when it comes to the types of opinions and hot takes that would be the kind of thing that would, people would care about on the internet,

that's not really a natural part of our dialogue. We don't spend a lot of time thinking and talking about those things, but I also think that because we were so focused on just making people laugh, and for a number of reasons, and we'll probably do a podcast on this at some point, like why we approached our content the way we did in the early days and like why it started so family friendly,

like more family friendly than it is now. Still generally family friendly, like more family friendly than it is now, still generally family friendly, but it was like squeaky clean G rated from the very beginning. Yeah. I think you attract a certain audience that's like, oh, these guys are gonna do something that never offends people and is just all about being lighthearted

and then when you build a fan base around that, you kind of cornered yourself a little bit. Whereas, you know, one of the things that Harley from Epic Mealtime said, probably at this table, was that you kind of get what you give to your audience. You get back what you give and he gives his tone, especially at the time was very like harsh towards his audience

and you kind of attract people who like that kind of thing and then kind of give it back. So I think that we've actually developed a pretty nice community because the content isn't vitriolic in any way. And we're proud of that. That is something to be proud of. That's a good thing.

But even me saying that right now is like, oh, I don't want it to seem like I'm being critical of our core audience or an aspect of our, a contender of our audience taste. Well, here's where I think that, here's a perfect example of. Because I'm not being critical of it. Where I think that the audience that we cultivated

and how nice they were and are for the most part created a content problem for us. And that is with our local commercials, right? We've talked about this a number of times. Yeah, that's a good case study though. We've never really been into prank content per se. We did that one prank video. We've done a number of times. Yeah, that's a good case study though. We've never really been into prank content per se. We did that one prank video. We've done a number of pranks.

All of our men on the street videos were, they're kind of prank inspired and they're kind of, They make people feel awkward at least. They're based on making normal people feel a little bit out of sorts and getting some laughs at their expense. Not in a super mean-spirited way, but for some people, anything in that realm is mean-spirited

and the nature of the local commercials that we made back in the day and then on Commercial Kings, which is still back in the day, this is a long time ago. Of course, we use real businesses and real people from those businesses and the thing that we found so funny is when we put normal people into these situations, these ridiculous sort of structures that we created for them and they just did their thing,

you're kind of laughing at slash with them and everybody ends up being happy and it's good for business and people love the result. But one of the reasons that- It's not clear cut though. A lot of people are uncomfortable with it is because a really, really strict interpretation of it is that you're laughing at these people,

you're having fun and humor at their expense. And some people are not comfortable with that at all. So now, we are both very comfortable with that. It's a little bit of a generational thing. I do think that the younger generation is much less comfortable with it. Although I will say that even though I didn't encourage this, like my kids

are much like I was at their age. Like some people can't watch the show that we talked about on Impractical Jokers. Some people can't watch that because they're like, I just don't like to see anybody be made to feel uncomfortable. They love it. Yeah.

They think it's great. But we ended up stopping doing those commercials because we just ended up getting, one of the reasons was we just ended up getting so much pushback, people would be like, this doesn't seem like, this isn't the stuff that I like you guys for, this just seems a little bit mean. Mean-spirited.

And so we just were like, okay, well, it's not like we have to keep doing this, we did a bunch of it. We can move on to something else. Yeah. So I do think that that is an example of our niceness in general, and especially in things like GMM,

cultivating an audience that then couldn't really take the non-nice content. Yeah, and I was talking to Aaron from Game Grumps and he was talking about his, their talk show which is inspired format wise by Good Mythical Morning. The 10 minute power hour. Which we're big fans of.

And he was talking about how, he said, yeah, he was talking about the GMM influence on how they created that, but he was like, but you know, we've got, the tone is a little different because we've got a bit more of that FU energy. Like you guys don't really have like FU energy. And I was saying something about their Reddit contingent. Yeah.

And he was like, you know, the people that respond to that are the people who then, they'll like F you in the comments but then when we looked at how much merch we were selling, they have a whole Reddit thread that them or none of their crew has anything to do with because it's just all the fans who just hate on them. But he said that a remarkable percentage,

of course I don't remember the number because I don't have mental capacity to remember other people's numbers. Right, you're thinking about your vacation. He said that it was a big contingent of merch sales are from those people who are like constantly FUFU because they're like, they're very invested and they're fans, you know, it's just a different way

of expressing. You get what you give and it's, you know, I'm a little envious of that energy because I don't know, from a comedic standpoint, it seems, I don't know what the word is, it just seems more emphatic, comedically emphatic. You know, when you're doing something that can be, is edgy, or so, quite literally edgy. So it pushes you either one way or the other, right?

It's easy to subconsciously feel like that's a more legitimate form of comedy because it's sending you in one of two directions, either love or hate, versus just like, like I think when we're, you know, our tone, it's very welcoming. So it's like, you can also our tone, it's very welcoming. So it's like, you can also, oh, I can tolerate it. You know, it's like where someone maybe left.

And I think that we end up compensating for it a little bit because again, if we were just completely ourselves, throw caution to the wind, we would be more offensive than we are. I mean, if there was no guard up at all as to what is a more broadly appealing, welcoming sort of tone, it would be a more caustic tone.

It just would be. Of course we have more opinions than we share. Yeah, and also. And I know that people are gonna say they want more of that. Well, and you might think that. Now that we're talking about it. You might just say, well, that would come,

well, I can see that coming from Rhett, but from Link. No, the reality is it would come from both of us. I don't wanna speak for you. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. But it's not just a thing that comes from the bitter tall one. But interestingly, you're also kind of talking about, you know, like stand-up comedy as an example,

the purest form of comedy, right? Which we've never really, I mean we do it kind of, but we haven't done like traditional stand up and definitely not alone. I thought farts were the purest form of comedy. Go ahead. Are you saying that because my seat just made a farting noise?

No, I was just making a joke. The whole give and take that you have with an audience and the fact that if you're going to speak up to a comedian, he or she is going to rip you a new one and that's part of the act. Heckling and then responding to hecklers is part of being a great standup. And a certain type of standup though.

I don't think that applies on standup. Well, no, no, even the nicest comedian. Like a Brian Regan. Even the nicest comedian. A Gaff Regan? Even the nicest comedian. A Gaffigan? Is not going, Gaffigan, okay, is not, I guarantee you that when he does his live standup and somebody heckles him, that he gets the best of them.

Oh, sure, yeah. Because you can't exist. Now how mean-spirited is it? When we kinda do that on tour, we don't do anything that's like ridiculously vindictive or whatever, but if you're gonna have the courage to speak up at our tour, we're gonna end up doing something that's gonna make people laugh at you.

But it's all in good fun. I definitely don't wanna get into a place where we're not willing to just like, light ribbing is no longer allowed. But how, I think the question is like, how does it work its way into the content? What are we afraid of? And you know, how do you navigate it?

Because just another quick data point is when we were guests on the H. Lee podcast, big fans of Ethan and Hila and their growing family of sons and dogs, well they got one of each. Yeah. You know, it's like, it's hot tech central over there. It's extremely entertaining. Like it's hot takes for the sake of entertainment.

Like that's why I enjoy it. It's almost like taking a position just for the laughs a lot of time, not all the time. So and so being on there was like, you know, I think when it comes to the type of things they talk about, you're more informed and more opinionated about those specific things. So that felt like more of an outlet for you to be there

than it did for me but I think there were other things that would get me going, probably germs or you know, but or herky-jerky Uber drivers. But the type of stuff they talk about was something that like, I mean we don't go into that stuff on our podcast. Smosh does some of that on their podcast because it is a great way to develop a fan base

if that's a way you're interested in talking about things. But it's, I don't, you tell me what you think. I don't think that's a place where, we've made a decision that that's not what, that's not a place that we go, you know? And I'm not talking about YouTube drama as much as like current event hot take type stuff where it's, you cannot be nice.

You cannot come across as nice. That's not part of the equation in those conversations. Well, I feel like trying to incorporate drama or commentary about controversial things into what we're currently doing would be a little bit of a betrayal. we're currently doing would be a little bit of a betrayal. Because I feel like there's so much of that, right? Now, because we're not just throwing what we create

into a vacuum, like it is experienced in the greater context of internet and entertainment in general. And we are so polarized right now, right? So as opinionated as I am, and as bitter as I can be about some things, I do think there's something to be said for the fact that our show and our content in general is something people

can come together over, around. People of differing backgrounds, people of differing political opinions should be able to come to our show and be like, this is something that we can agree on. And I do think there's power in that. Some people call it a cop out, some people say, you're doing that just so you can make more money

and have a broadly appealing product. I actually, personally, and I think we both, I think I speak for both of us, but I know that that's something that I care about is I don't like the disunity in our world and in our country. It's needed now more than ever. And I think that.

Something that brings us together. And I do think that we have, we're kind of especially equipped to kind of bring people together. You know, we understand multiple perspectives, you know, having embodied multiple perspectives over the course of our lives. And I think that that puts us in a position to be like,

hey, it's not, all these people aren't bad. And all these people aren't bad. It's like, hey, let's have a dialogue. There are some things that we can agree on. Now we don't end up talking directly about those things very often. But so I do think it would be a little bit of a disservice to be like, all of a sudden,

we're gonna be talking about all this stuff and we're gonna be throwing our opinions out there and blasting people who disagree. That's just not the spirit of what we do. But I do think the thing that, one of the reasons that what Ethan and Hila do is appealing, or what Game Grumps does is appealing, is because it's more fun to just let your guard down.

It's more fun to just be honest and be like, I don't really care about the impact or the consequences because I'm just being myself. To have a little filter and a guard on everything you say, it's a little bit tiresome. So I do think that as you get older, and I think this is one of the reason that there is more innuendo as an example in all of our content

now than there was when we started, is because you know what? When we talk privately, it's a lot of innuendo. Like that we just, we both find sexual innuendo to be very funny and we use a lot of it in our normal private lives. So. We also did when we were in seventh grade.

We've always done it. Do you remember? From the very beginning. But we haven't done it in our content. Right. Until it's just, you 1500, 1600 episodes, you just become a little bit more yourself and I think that there's something freeing about that.

And that's a place, I think the section when you went is a place where we've, we've talked about it some and we continue to talk about the ways that we, We talked about it some and we continue to talk about the ways that we, the lines, the ways that we will incorporate innuendo in the ways we want. So we know what our best practices are, to use the corporate term. But in an effort to conclude this conversation,

I think that it's, I need to have a prolonged thought. We've got time. Yeah, in an effort to come to a conclusion, I think that we can, I feel good with the summary that you've given of, hey, we're trying to create things in conversations where it can be an outlet for anybody. That simple.

Well I would say that that's a principle that applies to our content. We don't wanna be a dividing force. We don't wanna be a polarizing force in the world because there's enough of that already. That doesn't mean that there are some things that we consider to be non-political, but just human issues that need to be addressed

that we will take a stand on and talk about. And that's at our discretion as we see fit. But I think that as time goes by, we will continue to be more and more ourselves. Yeah, I think it is, yeah, the balancing point, just to piggyback on that is, yeah, we're not gonna be fake. We're not gonna be nice and lie,

lie through our teeth just to be nice. Yeah. You know, I wanna be nice when I actually mean what I'm saying. I don't wanna say anything here that I do not mean. Exactly. So I think, and that's why we choose our topics of conversation. And I think that I've seen,

you see the chatter and the speculation sometimes when people are trying to figure out like what things lead to the evolution of the show over time or the way we talk. And I think one of the accusations that can be levied sometimes is that, oh, you guys are continuing to push the boundaries because you want your content to be more accepted

or you're doing this to get more attention or to get people to care about you. And I think that, well, the reality is, is that we've kind of always talked this way, but the longer we do it, the more the layers get pulled back and you see who we are. And I personally, that's something that, I mean, I've been focusing on this personally a lot,

just through therapy, honestly, it's just like getting out of my head, getting into my heart, living more from a place of feeling because I've done enough thinking. I've done a lot of thinking. And I think part of that is continuing to kind of let go of what people think about you,

continuing to have your ego hopefully continue to be drained as you get older. And I think just a natural result of that is that you're just gonna be more of yourself. And so the things that we do aren't a result of trying to be provocative of trying to get more views. We're always gonna be trying to get more views

with just what, you know, we're trying to be successful. But it's really us being more of ourselves. And I think that ultimately to tie it back to the original question, it's that we're not as nice as you think we are if you thought we were really nice. I mean, and that's a broad word, but I think that if some of these things. But there is a core niceness that as long,

that we're striving to be nice as long as it's true to ourselves. Yeah. Hashtag your biscuits, let us know what you think. Join in on the conversation. Wrecks in effect. I'll give a music wreck. Been listening to Bahamas.

I don't think I've wrecked Bahamas. I think we've talked about it personally because I'm like, we used to really be into Jack Johnson, that like laid back. You talk about Roy and his Hawaiian vibe with his elevator. Yeah, elevator goes slow when you're listening to some Jack Johnson. Back in the day, Bahamas is kinda like

my updated Jack Johnson. And the specific song that I'm gonna recommend is, gotta turn, why do I gotta turn my, gotta take it out of airport mode. I know it's airplane mode. Off the album Bahamas is Afie. I think that's the guy's first name, A-F-I-E. All the Time's a good song, but stronger than that,

you start listening to that song and it sounds like Islands in the Stream, Kenny Rogers, Dolly Parton duo, duet and then, I mean, you think he's just gonna start singing like Kenny Rogers but then he doesn't. Are they from the Bahamas? He sings like Bahamas, it's one guy. Is he from the Bahamas? No, I think he just channels that vibe.

I can't say, but if you like that vibe, check it out. Especially that song. Yes, thanks for sticking with us, for listening to this conversation. That we didn't know where it was gonna go, but it went where it went. And it'll continue to go where it's gonna go, but it's not gonna go anywhere next week

or for the next three weeks because we were taking a little break. We'll be back on August, eight, what is it? 19th. August 19th. August 19th, we'll be back from our epic vacations. We'll be talking to you about those.

Until then, hashtag your biscuits.