ARE THE AVALANCHE NO LONGER A TOP TEAM?
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00:52 And CP over here to my left. As always, unbelievable stuff. Folks, we had a great weekend hockey, a great weekend as well. And now it's time for our Tuesday morning overreactions. And there is only one place to start as far as I'm concerned. Raise your hand if you've been personally victimized by Regina George. Have you not? I don't know what that.
01:17 Is this a reference to Mean Girls or something? Yes, Kevin. I think I've watched that movie maybe once and I don't remember. That's a huge mistake. That seems like a movie you would like. I agree. You don't like Tina Faye. You're a Tina Faye guy.
01:29 I like Tina Faye. I just, that movie came out when I was what? 13, 14? That movie's hilarious. You and I. I was not paying attention to movies like that in high school. I would like to ask you kindly to maybe throw it in the mixer again. I'm sure I could get somebody to watch it with me.
01:44 It's great. Yeah, your wife. Probably. Yes. Did you see the musical? I actually didn't. I didn't. And I don't want to.
01:51 Yeah. When they turn things into musicals, I'm kind of like, oh. Yeah. But it's, you will like it, dude. It's great. It's really funny. Okay. So raise your hand if you've been personally victimized by the Colorado Avalanche.
02:01 Yep. Dude, this fucking team has burned more of my parlays than anything I've ever seen this season so far. And the facts of the matter are, Tuesday morning overreactions, the abs stink. Dude, the abs. How about that? The abs are, this dude is the most perfect. Maybe the origin. Maybe that 20, 24 Rangers team.
02:26 But it's between that team and this avalanche team that is the definition of fraud. And everyone's been asking, people keep asking me, are my, am I back? Yeah. People keep asking us, what is fraud watch me? What is, who's a fraud? It doesn't mean you're bad. It means you are pretending to be something you are not. Yes.
02:46 And holy now. I think the jig is finally up. Dude, this last year, if anybody thought last year that Avstein was going to start as hot as they did, you're lying. We all thought the ads were good, but it was like, no one was like, oh my God, they're going to break the Bruins record. Yep. And no one thought that Bruins team was going to break that record either.
03:02 But my point is, the abs were putting on tape stuff that was way better than they were last year. They didn't peter off. They were still nasty. They won the President's trophy. But they were not as good as that hot start. And then they get bounced in the second round or whatever. No, they went to the Western Conference Finals and they get swept by Vegas. Yes.
03:19 And the, there was just question. I was like, dude, this ad team is worse than they were. And what's going to happen if they stumble a little bit? And they're stumbling. and they look so bad sometimes. It's crazy, dude. They look so bad. Last night, getting dog walked by the Preds,
03:40 it's just, they're so shit on the road. They just stop playing fucking hockey sometimes. It's so ass. It's fucking unbelievable. And you're right, dude. That 2020, 2022, 2003, New York Rangers, president's trophy team was the biggest fraud group I've ever seen. Yeah, my fucking life.
03:59 And we love the Rangers, though. ride or die they're sick now yeah yeah this team is in fraud at all this team is not fraud so they're fucking dope but that team last year they play the kings in the first round and that king's team had no business being in the playoffs frankly and i don't think it matters who they played they would have got swept yep who did the abs play in the second round you can do this they would have played the Minnesota Dallas winner. They played the wild. They played the wild upset the stars and then they played the wild.
04:33 And they lost the first game and then pumped them. Yes. That is the one round that makes me be like, maybe they aren't frauds because that wild team was good. But wild team was pretty banged up. They had people like not playing. Yeah. And then they play Vegas and get fucking shit pumped. Which technically means you didn't get out of the second round because you never even won a game.
04:55 Dude. Seriously. That was the second round. lost, according to me. You get shit pumped. And listen, we're, this is the whole point of overreactions. We're only 13, 15 games into the season. But being 6, 5, and
05:07 one, you've lost to the Preds, the Flyers, and the Jets twice. And the Jets have revealed themselves as actually stinking. They thought they were good for a second, but they stink. But we knew they would be bad. Their offense is moving, sure, but they're so
05:23 leaky. And the big thing here, dude, is after last year getting screamed at by people screamed at that their goalies are so nasty. We're dumb if you guys don't think. Remember how fucking mad AFS fans were that Wedgie wasn't a Vezna finalist? And I'm like this, well, I don't know, dude, this team's just playing really well in the regular season and they've got a good team in front of the goalies. Maybe it's not that great. And then immediately in the playoffs, things fell apart.
05:48 And now also both goalies are really struggling this year. So I'm like, what the fuck do you have to say to me now? There are times when goalies are mid-20s and they haven't had a good chance yet, then they get a shot and are good. And some people are going to scream to the high heavens that that's Blackwood and it's all fine. But there's been opportunities for these goalies to be good at this level and they haven't been. And I don't know why all of a sudden you would have Stanley Cup winning goaltending. Correct.
06:22 And I feel like Here's the thing, folks. We're doing overreactions. And we have, over the years, we've pee-p-wacked the canes for the whole, we're so nasty in the regular season. And then you just, you ran into the same buzzsaw.
06:36 And last year, we were like, hey, you've got to bust the ghost. You've got to get over this hump. They did it. Amazing. We've pee-p-wacked the bolts. We've pee-p-wacked the Bruins, the stars, all these teams that,
06:48 you know, your fans want to be like, we're fucking so nasty, we're this. that what have you done for me lately now the abs are not that removed from their stanley cup win when they were such a nasty fucking team so you have done something for me lately but i feel like there is this very cocky this walk yeah yeah with a lot of abs nation the bed bug walk as we call it it's the bed bug walk and i'm i'm over here being like since your cup you've you lost in the first round to the crack in their first year in the league you're like you'll
07:22 lost in the second round, you lost in the first round, and then last year you got swept the shit out of you in the final. Listen, you made the conference final. That's great. But being the best team anyone has ever seen, and then, dude, in Vegas beat the piss out of it. Yeah. So there's a big part of me, when we had that discussion with Marty this summer, we were like, or maybe it was last year when they lost, but we were like, how sure are we that this window is as gaping open as people think. Dude, the problem is there's, they are already, if they're not, they're, you're dumb, you are already filled with regret.
08:00 If I'm, if I'm an abs player or fit. Dude. And do you know what, you know who he said it to? Or what, in the EJ interview? I asked him kind of about this. Yes. Did we leave that in or do we take that? Absolutely. He was all, he was very honest about it. And I was like, you got to, but it's hard to win. Like I obviously get that. I obviously get it's extremely hard to win the Stanley Cup at, which is what he said. But dude, this group should have been the kings, the hawks. And instead, they're the Bruins. They're the Bruins team that you're like, you won one time, dude.
08:29 With such an insanely elite core. And I want to say this, this team could easily. First of all, they're like in a playoff spot right now still, right? Yeah, they're nasty. This is an overreaction. Like, this team could easily is capable of winning the cup. And I fucking hope they do. I hope they get their shit together and win the cup.
08:44 But if you suck, if you are. middling like you are right now of this whole year, then dude, you explain yourself. I don't know how much time we need to waste on the... Actually, I'm going to stop fucking saying this. Like, where the whole point of this show is to be able to talk about hockey in the middle of the season.
09:04 Obviously, 13 games in doesn't fucking matter for a team like Colorado. They're fine. But that's the point of our reactions. They stink right now. And yeah, dude, Nate is... What, is he like third or fourth in the league in points? Yeah, probably. Naitius is nasty, Lekanins in a rocket race. Like they've got plenty of good things going for them.
09:23 To the point that they shouldn't be six, five, and one. That's my point. But it's that point where I'm like, why are you six, five and one? And again, when the central is as nasty as it is. Dallas and Minnesota, we'll get to Minnesota in a bit. But when they're as nasty as they are, I don't think you can fucking suck, dude. You can't blow ass on the road and you can't have really bad gold tanning, expect me to respect you.
09:45 Yeah. I don't respect to you as like a top wagon team in the league right now. We might be sitting here next Monday recording this show and being like this, the abs are back. That's absolutely possible. But right now I'm going to fucking overreact and I'm going to have fun doing it. Yeah, they should get spanked. Right now you're getting spanked because you are not a scary team.
10:04 Like even when you have Nate and Kale and Natchez and Lekinen and Brock and all these fucking unbelievable guys, you do not scare me as a serious contender if playoffs started tomorrow. So for that reason, you're getting fucking slapped on the bottom. Dude, here's another one that I wanted to say. Kale has 11 points in 11 games. I'm pretty sure he's point per game. And, you know, at that pace, he's going to have 84 points or better, like, you know, which is usually what he does.
10:30 Like, he finishes at like 90 points, which is insane. But I was dying that I was like looking at the defenseman points. And it's like, Bouchard 21. Adam Fox. Quinn Hughes, 16, Adam Fox 16, Sergachev 14, Eric Carlson 12, Roman Yosi, 12, Seth Jones 12, Kale McCar 11. I was like, you were getting left behind. And he's like, I have a point per game. And I'm like, I don't care. You are getting left behind. Some of these guys have played more games. He's had a baby. Two. But that should have helped. That should have helped. And now he's
10:55 left behind. But I think he's just a little sleepy. He's tired. Well, he's going to be tired all year. No, no, no, no. He'll figure it out. He'll figure it out. Fortunately. He's a beast. Actually, Dan, they're good at home and they're bad on the road. So when he's with his baby and not sleeping, he's better. I think he needs to travel with the baby. Twins. He's got twins. Yeah, yeah. Take the twins on the road. Yeah. Listen, the abs, they're just, you are not, you're not a security team.
11:20 You're not good. You're not good at hockey. And, and, and, okay, they're not good. Okay, okay, you know what I mean? Like, the overreactions have officially gotten out of control. They should move the team to a difference in. Yes, dude, agree. Go back to Quebec. Yeah. And then try being good for once.
11:35 But this is what we are saying, dude. This is honestly mostly a message to me, because, from, from, from, me to the fans because I want you to get your edge back. Yeah. There's just been this cocky shit. I found myself like apologizing to Avs fans a bunch over the last couple of years. After like we put them in the, we were like, I'm not sure that this team is eight tier right now. Like you got to perform, but you can't lose in the first round.
12:00 They lost their minds. And then what has happened since? Nothing but embarrassment. Yeah. So I'm like, get your edge back, dude, because this is not okay. Yeah. It is simply not okay. Yep. Where things are very okay is in the Atlantic where the Maple Leafs are a top team in the East,
12:16 not just the Atlantic in the East. And I knew it. You did. And dude, and it's been a hard road. It's been a tough road. We started horribly. And then it was kind of good. Then it was bad again. Then it was quite bad again. And now, look at us now, dude. And don't talk to me about next Monday. I want to talk about today. Yes. Okay? And we look great. Because today, there's a few things. that are going on. Number one, I believe the Leafs have won four in a row now. Yes, going for their fifth tonight against the flames. Yes.
12:45 And Matthews could become the fastest Maple Leaf to 800 points in Toronto history. So suck me. That was one thing. Two things is Austin Matthews is leading this team in points again. God damn. Willie's right behind him. Yep. But Austin Matthews has 19 points and Chris
13:01 nine goals. Yep. Guess what? Guess what that means? It means he's back. Nope. Well, yeah. Fuck. It means he's. He has more assists than goals. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah.
13:12 And we love to see that from a guy like Austin Matthews, who has at times been like this, I'm pumping in goals and not that many assists. And we don't like that. We don't like when that happens. No. He is fantastic right now. Nealander's right behind him. Marchenko's fitting in like a fucking glove dude.
13:28 It's unbelievable. He's got 14 points. And the big, big, big thing, we said a lot of ifs, right? When we did our division preview, we were like there's a lot of ifs. Well, if Easton Cowan is good, if Gavin McKenna is good, guess what? They're both good. Yes. They are both.
13:46 It's incredible. Very, very good right now. So is there any reason to believe or to fear that this team can't keep this up? Dude, they, I'll tell you this much, they certainly, because you know me, I'm the early king. Uh-huh. They certainly can stay in the mixer. And dude, if you, I can already hear the Leaf haters listening to this being like, you know, the discrepancy of games played is always funny this early because it's like the, the Leafs,
14:20 if the teams behind them win their games in hand, the Leafs could be last again, like, you know, in a week. But this Leafs team, this Leafs team is clearly good enough to be in the playoff mixture, mixer all year. Yeah. Clearly. Okay. And then unlike years past, where it feels like,
14:38 like, yeah, the Leafs are going to dominate the regular season and then just suck in the playoffs, this Leafs team feels like the exact opposite because you have Bob. Legitimately, if this team can stay in the mixer and get in playoffs, and then Bob goes, I guess, I'm going to start trying like he always does. Now you might be fucked every other team, not the Leafs. Okay. So when the team starts this hot with Jim Hiller, a, like we talked about the- Yeah, yeah. They'll never score again.
15:08 Defensive's coach, he's going to piss off Nealander and Matthews so much. What moron said that? Yeah. Me. Fucking idiot. When they're this hot, this fast with this offense, it honestly makes you think like maybe Jim Hiller was. Oh, buddy. Don't even get me started.
15:25 When they're this hot, this fast, it makes me be like they're not going to slow down, dude. Like, Austin, Matthews, and Willie Nealander are not the types of players who go cold. You know what I mean? Like, they're either having a good season or. a bad season. Willie has never had a bad season. Yeah, and his leg doesn't they know what that smells like. Truly, like, they're just fine. Togrags has been out. He's only played seven games, but he's got seven points in seven games. So when Tavares
15:48 comes back in, he's just going to keep doing what he always does as well. Literally always does. Literally. He is like, Tavares is like, I don't want to use the word Timo because that's disrespectful. Oh, oh, I see. But Tavares is like fast, fast, casual, Sid. Did you think he meant Timu like Timu Salai? Yes, and I was like Timu's the man. Yeah, me too. I'm sorry, we're talking hockey.
16:14 That's a fair of a mistake. Yeah, yeah. Like the company, the company, Timu, yeah. He's like fast casual Sid. In that I'm like, like, if we're talking, Sid is fine dining. Yeah.
16:24 No, he's better than fast casual. He is like local restaurant, Sid. Like great local restaurants. Mom and Pop. Oh, great mom and pop, yeah. Like, he is always performance.
16:36 Always, always, always. He's got to get a cup. But he'll come back. He'll do his thing. And my point is, dude, like, other than Roslavik, who is playing phenomenally, everyone who's playing well for this team is either someone who is very good and they will just continue to keep playing well. Or a young stud with a lot of promise. And when a young stud with a lot of promise is performing, I'm like this, that is what they either do that or they bust.
17:04 Yes, and we said this about the Bruins. And they're doing that. Yeah. So I'm kind of like the offense is not going anywhere. This team's always going to be in the running to put up five or six goals a fucking game. The only thing for me is how leaky they are. And I don't think it's a, oh, well, Bob's just doing Bob. Bob's like, whatever.
17:25 And in the playoffs, he'll lock in. That could happen. But you got to remember Bob was locking in in front of that Panthers defense. This is not the same defense. Fair. That is my only thing. Now, Tanna is hurt, and obviously he's way older, but like, he's still a great player. We'll see when he comes back. But if I'm the Maple Leafs, fucking hell, am I being like, make a fucking trade for a top-paring defenseman? That is your only goal this fucking season, in my opinion. Yeah, dude, and then, and then now you're, dude, it's so funny that the Leafs have been in, like, nearing blow it up mode, right? Like, nearing blow it up mode. Oh, we were talking about trading, like Matthew signing somewhere else.
18:06 We're talking about trading Nealinder if you have to. And then they go out and they get Marchenko and they're like this, suck me. Yeah. And I still have my thoughts about that trade that I stand by. But it's like they get Marchenko, they get Gavin McKenna. And then you make the right moves. Dude, they made all, I've said it a million times. They made all the right moves that you could have ever asked for if you're a Toronto fan.
18:23 Continue that path, make the right moves and go get another defenseman and then see what's up. I mentioned the Bruins record-breaking team. and something happened that year, which was just tremendous goalie play. Tremendous. Yes. And you just said, and this is what reminded me that I meant to say this, you just said, players like Austin Matthews that start hot don't just go cold. You go, you're going to be very good.
18:50 You're going to be very productive this year. That is happening somewhere else in the Atlantic, and I'm excited for the fans. Do you know what I'm going to say? The Ottawa senators. Specifically who I'm talking about. Linus Olmark. Yes. Bro.
19:06 Congratulations because the Vesna is over. Oh, I completely disagree. The Vesna is over. Are you out of your mind? Well, you otters the goat, but the Vesna is over. Olmark has won it. Dude, wrong. No, he's going to do this, Dan.
19:18 He's going to, every now and then, Linus Olmark goes absolutely. Oh, he does go drunk and nuclear. But, dude, Jake Ottinger is finally doing what you've always wanted to do you. I know. I know, and it's my one dream on Earth is for him to get this Vesta and cons light. I'll also tell you this. The three Vezna finalists are set. Yeah.
19:35 It is Sway, Otter, and Omar. Yeah. And yeah, Omerk might go comatose and just win. Dude, I'm telling you. After all the bullshit last year. I know, dude. And I was watching him from afar like this. He looks so good.
19:46 I was like, well, Omar. Omar's playing pretty good. That's interesting. I don't know what I'm about that. That's going to get pretty cool. And then, dude, I watched him this week, and I was like, oh, he did. Oh, it's insane. It's all over.
19:55 And, dude, I kept going. Why are the senator so good? They lost Brady Kuch. This is the whole thing. it's all over and then they went no we rallied around our crew here which is which is a good crew but i was still like this is this stinks though bro this stinks of something because you're not actually this good you know and i realize lenis old mark is literally going to have a 1.5 goals against this shit can i i i feel bad you're absolutely right i feel bad for saying this aloud because i didn't share it uh online and i i i'm here to apologize to everybody for that i post i did a parley last week and would you like to guess what it was Um, Olmark,
20:33 Bauder, Swimming and Saves. It was the most obvious parlay of all time. And I, again, I don't know why I didn't post it, but it was Senn's money line at home against the Panthers
20:45 and then Sharks' money line away against the senators the next day. Oh, yeah. Because I was like, they are going to literally slit their throats and paint the ice red
20:58 if they have to to beat the Panthers. and there's in Brahekichick-chuk. And then they're going to use every ounce of energy they possibly have to do so, and they will lose the next night to the sharks. And that obviously came all. And like it wasn't, it's not a great parlay, but it was just two games. But I was just like, there's no planet where that doesn't happen. That was so sick when Brady scored first.
21:16 It was so nails. It was amazing. But it was also so nails that the Sends were like this, we will murder you. And they beat the shit. Yes. Yes. Amazing. So you're absolutely right.
21:29 Olmark, Vezna, finally. And congratulations, Senator's fans, because that means you're in. And I'll tell you this. When you're listening to this now, Sends fans, you have seen that our power rankings tiers list has come out. The Sends are not quite in Wagoon status yet, but my God, was it difficult to not put them in? So, like, you're getting close to a wagon status, which is crazy. A team that is a wagon. Our last overreaction this Tuesday morning, the Minnesota Wild can win the Stanley Cup.
22:00 Uh, they can... Listen to me. All of you, wild fans, you can do it. I'm telling you, you can do it. This Minnesota Wild team can represent the West in the Stanley Cup final this year. They can stop. And they will.
22:20 Nice! Can you believe that? No, I thought you were going the other way. They can and they will. It occurred to me the other day that the Avs, poopiness, is to, too pooped to unpoop itself? Yes. And then they, I'm not quite sure how the Central is going to shake out yet,
22:37 and it's always a murderer's row getting out of there. But they proved they can do it. They beat Dallas last year. They can do it again. They can clearly beat the aves because the abs are now poop. Yeah, they have stink. Utah will probably be one of the toughest tests that they think. Oh, for sure.
22:53 If it goes that way. And then you are just going to have to beat McDavid and the Oilers in the West Congress finals, which is extremely hard. Yeah. But somehow it feels like all these years of the oilers getting there and us going, oh, they're going to get crushed by the stars. It's always the stars, like this sick central team. Yeah. And then they always just dispatch them easily. It feels like the turntabled. And now it's the oilers who are going to be coming in as this clear president's trophy juggernaut. Connor is going to have 200 points. I want to do something. I know, I swear we were some of the first to say
23:29 this seriously. Maybe people think we weren't serious, but he is going to have 200 points this year legitimately. And 200 point watch is completely on. And I'm so excited to hunt that down. But they are going to be coming in with literally one man has ever scored 200 points. And it was an oiler. And it was the great one. And Connor's going to come in with 200 points on the Oilers, with the President's Rovey, and catch the Wild with a exiting Quinn Hughes. Like every playoff game you go to as a wild fan is potentially, every elimination game is potentially, potentially the last game you'll ever see Quinn Hughes be a wild member. It's possible.
24:03 And they are going to be, the turn has tabled, and it'll be then beating the Oilers. Do you think, because the Oilers should win? I don't want to switch things up here because we're talking about the Wild, but is there a part of you that when we stroke off the Oilers that considers that, let me list some of their wins for you? Yeah. The Canucks, the Crackin, the Ducks, the Sharks, the Kings, Mammoth. Do you think maybe they're not as good as their record?
24:27 No, dude. And I actually was talking to some of our oil. friends, oldest fan friends. Dude, this Oilers team is... Did I say Flames? Yeah, I think so.
24:38 Okay, I get it. Oh, we know. That was preseason. The Oilers, the Oilers are by far. Best team? By far the best team in the league. And they are going wire to wire.
24:50 I don't agree. Wire to wire President's trophy. And I think, I do agree with that. It is, it is going to be, this is going to be a, work of art, you know, and man on fire when they're like, uh, I forget the exact.
25:04 Tracy is about to paint his masterpiece. Yeah, but he's like, you know, some people, some people dabble in arts and paints, oils. He sees art is death. Yeah. The oilers art is death. And so is McDavid's. And they are about to paint their masterpiece.
25:16 And I am just popcorn, layered butter, lazy boy here for the ride the whole time. Okay. I've got a lot of wild topics for you here. We're talking Minnesota wild for right now. All right. The Minnesota Wild are the top team in the Central. The Central is, in my opinion, the best division in hockey right now. I think the Atlantic has really, I feel like every year. I know. We're like, oh, maybe the Atlantic, I don't know, but the Atlantic is phenomenal because like every team in the Atlantic, like almost including Detroit and Buffalo. Like Detroit and Buffalo are somehow like kind of 500 right now. Detroit's trying really hard to make me not have them. Not make fun of them. I know. They really are. And I respect them for that. But they're lost. to the flames the other night. I was like, are you a serious franchise?
26:02 And now I'm like, you're now made fun of again. But it's Devin Cooley. Yeah, exactly. It's all the Cooley man. All right. The Wild, Minnesota Wild are top of this unbelievable division.
26:13 And Krill Caprizov is playing out of control. Yep. Matt Boldy is playing very, very well. Quinn Hughes is fantastic. They are currently without Brock Faber. They're also without both Felinos, which is like very valid, especially on the bottom six.
26:32 That matters. But the Brock Faber, being without Brock Faber and being at the top of this very difficult division, I think is sending a massive message to the NHL. All right? I think that's them going, hey, look at me now, dad. Just wait until bespectacled Clark Kent Faber comes back. What fucking then? What do you think then?
26:57 I think it's a big time statement. and I think this Connor Hela Buc situation and the Quinn Hughes chatter is going to make Bill absolutely go chips all in this season because as we are saying right now Minnesota Wilde you can go to the Stanley Cup this year
27:17 I genuinely think it's going to come down to them and the Oilers in the Western Comments final and that will be a fucking insane series but I am telling you you can beat you we see that we've seen you beat the Dallas Stars. You can absolutely beat this avalanche team. The mammoth will be a slug fest for sure. But I think you have the goalie advantage there. And, dude, you have Gustav. Like when Gustafsson comes back off of IR, you can trade that player. You could trade him to, you could trade him to Utah.
27:49 That would be stupid. But you could do it. Dude, like, that is such a tradable piece. I know. And like, Walsed is so obvious. Yeah, yeah. He is nasty. Like that is your starting goal. You only play one in the playoffs. So like trade Gus and get something amazing, dude. God, isn't he on the 5.5 or whatever? Gus? Yeah.
28:07 I think so. But like, fuck me. That is such a great piece. 6.8. God, good deal. Good deal. Such a good deal. Yep.
28:16 No, it's... He's 28. God, that's... You had literally the two starting goal or two of the three starting goalies for Sweden at the Olympics last year. And then now, unfortunately, the other one is the best goal. And Gustafson is on that deal until 2033. It's unbelievable.
28:27 That is such a good. contract and he's such a good goalie. Go fucking flee someone. And then, yeah, because you're going to lose Quinn. Maybe not, dude. So that's my other talking point. Are you ready to move on? Yep. Okay. Next talking point. What did you think about Quinn Hughes's comments after getting the, they've got like this cool Minnesota wild fucking, you know, black ops, military helmet. they gave it to Huggy Bear for the player of the game. And he was like, everyone's playing great. But thank you, boys.
29:00 That one was very important to me to beat the Canucks in a game which he scored in also Nails. What did you think about that? That comments. I was kind of surprised that that was a game. Like, dude, imagine looking at your, you were a member of a house. and you were battling as hard as you could to make that house great but it was just infested with rats the castle was infested with rats people were getting the plague and puking on each
29:33 other and there there's it was an overlord that owns your castle that's a piece of shit that isn't helping at all and you were like this i just guy i've got to get out of here and they let you get out of there and they were like here go get get out be free and then when you came back to that castle you went like this, blow it up. Okay. So I don't get, I don't get him being like, fuck you, Vancouver. Now, that's because maybe I don't know certain details, but I was a little surprised that he was like this.
30:01 I really want to fucking win this. Dude, the amount of money he had on the board that night, I would love to know. I would, I would love to know. I agree, but I want to text on it. I'm slightly surprised. So, dude, this is my, I'll answer about the comments in a second, but dude, I agree with that the, I think I was fired up. I really got primed with it with the Brady thing. Brady goes back. They're absolutely giving it to him. And he's love it. He's like this. Bring it on, dude.
30:30 Yeah. And that's Brady. I love that stuff in sports. Like good. And I think there's varying cases, like Marci comes back to Boston. I'm cheering, right? Because I feel like he did nothing wrong and was forced out. Brady was like, I don't want to be here. So I get you booing him. And to keep that consistent, I get Vancouver fans going, we hate Quinn because they do. They are like, dude, you are our best player by far and you wanted to leave. I don't think they should blame him for wanting to leave as much as senators' fans should blame Brady for wanting to leave because the senators were pretty good. They were in the playoffs. And he was just like, I'm not going to play with my brother.
31:10 Now, Quinn, they were horrible and the team was imploding from within in the middle of his prime. so I don't think they should blame him as much, but end of the day he went, get me out of here and they reserve the right to go, fuck you. Now, I kind of wish Quinn had, and maybe he was, but like Brady's character fits better for him to just like, oh yeah,
31:30 fucking bring it on. Like, Quinn doesn't really do that, but I kind of wish he was, but Dan, even to finally get to his comments, even if he wasn't thinking blow it up, maybe he didn't have that much money on the board. But once you got there and the onslaught from the fan,
31:46 that whole time. Yeah, that game now matters to me a ton. As we're playing, I'm like, fuck you, dude. Yeah. And it's not even, it's not even fuck you. It's, I do want to win, because I want to go, I left to be on a good team. I wonder what if, if it flipped for him, because they played a tribute to him and, I believe, right? They played, yeah. Yeah. And he got boot. And he also, like, kind of skated out and did like a stick wave. And there's a screen, it might be a bad screenshot, but there's a screenshot of him, like, kind of facing the crowd and the Canucks bench and the entire Canucks team is just like motherfucking him. Yeah.
32:20 Like no one is like, and again, what are they supposed to do, fucking cry and be smiling. But like everyone looks a little bit like fuck off, dude. Yep. And I don't get that. You know what's funny? I find, and I'm sure I'm going to get jumped by Detroit fans for saying this, I find the Quinn Exodus very similar to the Larkin Exodus. They're, Quinn's way younger than Larkin. So it should frankly be, Detroit fans should be easier on Larkin as far as I'm concerned.
32:49 But when Quinn was like, I want out, I personally was like this, of course. Yes, dude. As does everybody think that? And I actually never felt like I saw a lot of Vancouver fans online being like this fucking prick. I actually saw them being like this. Yes. They were like, we feel bad. They were like, this sucks.
33:10 We're losing a generational talent. But like, yeah, I get it. And they got at least the closest back to someone good compared to what's going to happen to Helibuck and Larkin. And also they went to the playoffs and won around. Like they, the Detroit Red Wings have done nothing but failed Dillon Larkin. So I find it crazy that this like 30 year old captain, hometown boy who's given you everything, when you have failed him yet again just because he signed a contract, you guys are like this, hang him from the rafters.
33:41 And I'm like, what? you fucked up too. Like what are you talking about? 100%. So yeah, I listen, I was pretty shocked to see. There weren't that many booze. It was nowhere near as bad as Brady. But I was kind of shocked to see the booze.
33:55 And then I was equally shocked, if not a little bit like, nice to see Quinn be like, yeah, I fucking wanted that one. Fuck you. And I'm like, damn. You know what I did respect was the Canucks fans. I don't know if you saw this on Instagram. The Canucks fans were cheering all a soccer game, like chanting. he's not signing.
34:13 Yes. That was... They were like, oh, oh, you guys think you're happy with Quaid? He's fucking leaving you too. And I was like, correct. So good. That was awesome. So, so good.
34:23 The Sends fans chanting, fuck your podcast to Brady was all time, but I think he's not signing was better. Yeah, yeah. And that was, you're so right, that was such a classic EPL. Like, we're losing and we stink, but we've got something funny to say. Yeah. It was amazing. Yeah, awesome. So my next ones are, what do you think about his comments about after the
34:41 game they were like again hit him with like a what's you what how do you feel about Minnesota and he had those comments where he was like my feet are firmly planted in Minnesota and I love this team and we are very good and krill is insane and X insane and I can't wait for favor to come back and I'm loving playing with Brodine and with Heinzzy behind the bench like we can do something special do you think that that is just Quinn being great at what he does and saying the right things or do you think that there is still a world where maybe they could win a Stanley Cup and Quinn is like this why would I fucking leave a team that
35:11 just won the Stanley Cup. No, he's leaving. And he also, if they win a Stanley Cup, it's like your Matthews thing. I actually think if he wins Stanley Cup, it's even more assured that he's leaving because he's like amazing. Thank you. Now I will just go win way more with my brothers and my favorite goalie. He's leaving. He is saying all the right things. And I believe he really wants to win this year. Like I'm not saying he's like, I'm one foot out the door. He is like, yo, let's fucking ride, boys. So the two feet planted in Minnesota line, I suppose this is a message to wild fans. I could not agree with that more.
35:43 Yeah. I think that was him saying, I am completely focused on this team. Yes. What happens after this season? We'll see. But I think that there is, I think that was Quinn Hughes going, I am not fucking distracted at all. I love it here.
35:59 I'm having a blast playing here. And I want to win Stanley Cup this fucking season. After that, we'll see what happens. But I think that there's a message of Quinn Hughes going, ask me all the fucking questions you want. me all the fucking photoshopps you want and all the trade chatter you want, nothing is distracting me from the Minnesota Wild this season. That is what he was saying and I love that. Yeah, same. I absolutely love that. And yeah, so the last of the overreaction is, dude, this team is nasty.
36:29 You're going to get favor back and you need to go make one more trade. Dude, just do one thing at the deadline. Trade Gus. Get someone fucking nasty for your top six. Because I love the D. Barring, Barring health. I love the D. Hot Cock. Great D.
36:47 Don't worry about that. Top six, get someone, and this team is going straight to the Stanley Cup, or at least the Western Conference one. It's play the Ours. I love it. All right, let's take an ad break
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38:17 broke. We got down into everything. This chat, I want to be more about Connor Hellebuck and this Devils team. We got into all of the what happened with the Jets, what's going to go on with Larkin and with Quinn. Let's talk Hellebuck and the Devils.
38:34 Unbelievable fucking trade by Sonny. Yes. And the Devils go out and they get Connor Hellabuck. He was skating today. Absolutely love to see it. We're going to see Connor Helbach playing in the NHL. The cap updated. I said during that breakdown, I was like, I don't know if this cap is updated. Usually they're so quick. I know what site you were on, but like you said it's like, you know what I think it was is I think he was technically still suspended. Oh, oh, yeah. So the cap was accounting. But Connor Hallibuck is now on this team. The devils have 119,000 in cap space. So they're up against
39:03 it. If they want to do something like a Larkin or someone else, they've got to move some contracts out. but the devils have been after a blue chip tendi for a long time. We have to say they've got it. We were talking to, we're talking to Marty over the weekend, talking to a couple of our buddies who are Devils fans, and there were a few people on Twitter. I saw who were being like,
39:27 we've traded for a fucking blue chip goalie before, and it hasn't worked out. And I think what they're referencing there is probably Schneides and then Marky, obviously. And Markey did not work out. Yeah, yeah. That is true. That is true.
39:41 We're talking different leagues here. This is a guy who's won three Vesna trophies. He's won a heart. He won a gold medal. Yes, we will talk about the playoff stuff. But we have to feel like he's 33 years old. I believe Connor Hallibuck is going to be good for at least three more years of this. So for the next three years, yeah, at least.
40:05 New Jersey Devils, you are a. the father. Well, you're a cup or bust. You are the father, right? Like, you are, oh, yes. You are Eastern Conference Final or Bust every year from here and out. And that's the pressure. When you make a trade like this and you have Jack Hughes, you have Nico Heeshirt, you have Jesper Bratt, you have Luke Hughes, you are a Eastern Conference Final or bust. You are, Jack is obviously so young, but Jack is too established of an NHL player to have any, like, well, we're working for the future now. especially, even though they didn't fucking give up anything, when you go and get Conor Hellebuck
40:44 and you have him at 33. So for three years, you have to go, this isn't a future thing. This is a right fucking now thing. Yeah. So my question for you is, from people inside this organization that I had a conversation that I had a conversation with this past weekend, they believe that they are still one move away from being a real, we could be playing hockey in late June team. This year.
41:07 Yes. Do you agree with that? Yes. Where do you think it is? Because I'm going to be honest, the last few games for the devils, I've really liked what I saw. Well, dude, they've been great. They got the trade bump without even him playing yet. They got new trade, new player bump, new club bump.
41:24 The, because can I, or I just asked you a fucking question and now I'm about to interrupt you. But can I, like, just read something to you? Yeah. Here's their top nine. And really the only people out right now for them are Seamus Casey. Yeah, yeah, this is their team. Their team's on the floor. Their team is on the floor.
41:44 Their top nine is in no particular order. Gritsuk, Jack Hughes, Jesper Bratt, Timo Meyer, Nico Hesher, Luke Evangelista, Anthony Manta, Evan Rodriguez, Jesper Bobquist. Pretty good. Pretty good. They've got some grit in Colorado Brown and Cody Glass. I think maybe I could upgrade that. The Manta one's tough for me because he just arrived and I don't think we're loving what we're seeing there.
42:17 Grit sucks amazing though. Dude, yeah. And the boys, everyone I'm talking to is like, you know, untouchable. We fucking love this kid. He's amazing. D. Hughes Pesci, Siegenthall, Hamilton, Dylan Kovicev. How many years have we talked about this D being like this?
42:37 This D is awesome. Yeah. But I, to me, it is and has always been the trade Dougie Hamilton. Right. But then you kind of, unless it's a D for D swap. Yeah. Which is hard. Like normally teams aren't like, yes, great.
42:56 I rank your guy higher than mine and you rank my guy higher than yours. So we're both happy. Like that never happens really. So it's unlikely that you do a D for D swap And if you were to trade Duggy away I think if you trade Duggy You lose the trade if you're the devils Because Douggy has a full no move
43:11 He's only I mean we saw It was a couple years ago He almost went to San Jose Yeah And he shut it down And so I'm like It's just 9 million Yeah
43:24 To get 9 million off that is so big And you hurt your defense a little bit too Like that's what I'm saying It's not like he's a bad player I think Dougie has been pretty solid. And listen, they're, they're, uh, they're solid in goals against this year. Like, they're only, I mean, number one being the most goals against, they're 22nd in the league. Yeah. Like, that's, that's great. You know, like, you're good. You're going to Hellebuck.
43:48 This team could win, but they would not be my pick based on who I'm guessing they would go up against starting in the last two rounds. But they could with Hellebuck. Yeah. I think they could. I agree. I think Helibuck being on this, it's going to be insane. Because he might be just I think Heli being on this team is going to be insane. But I do think that they are one little more piece. I don't know what that piece is. Yeah, that's what's hard to figure out. But I do think they're one little more and I think Sunny will figure one upgrade one upgrade. But dude, I suppose the end of this because we talk to me, if you want to hear more about it, go to YouTube, go watch that video. But my last thought is this is not a future move. This is a right now move.
44:39 And I think Devils fans need to absolutely lean into that and accept it. Because here's the other factor, dude. You want to get horny about the Quinn Hughes thing. Oh my God, we got Hellbuck. That means Quinn is coming. Yeah, maybe. But, dude, like, Hellie is the important piece. Yeah, we said that.
44:55 You need a goaltender to win a Stanley Cup. You have it. And realistically, you have it for three years, in my opinion. Yeah. He's coming off a subpar season. He obviously won the gold. But there's some injury stuff. He has had playoff struggles in the past. Sure, maybe that has team stuff. Who knows? But either way, he's in a new team now. He's playing with a guy he really loves, and hopefully maybe multiple guys he really loves. And he is 33 years old. You have three fucking years here, maybe four. So it is win now. So figure it out. The last bit of news we want to talk about is the Alexander Nickition contract. Just signed yesterday. Yeah, I think so. One year, $3 million. What a fucking melt this is. I can't tell though, because
45:44 part of me is like, you are going to, he's not going to be a hurricane in my opinion, right? Like, you're gone. He might still get traded this year. He doesn't want to be here. But it got to the point where I was like, will play though, you know, and I think he's going to get so much money in his life that it's like, you know, like, I'm not trying to say, three million is three million dollars, you know, I'm like, just play. I just think this one is such a nightmare. Yeah.
46:13 Because he's, people forget, he's 25. Yeah. This isn't a, you know, recently drafted kid. Like, I think Nickition's amazing. Me too. Me too. But, you know, he came over. He's a little bit older.
46:24 He is still RFA next year, which is fucked. Yes. him because it's like here's another situation where like do you go to arbitration the team has control are you going to get offer sheeted who knows there's a part of me that wonders if you're Tulski and you guys get this done one year three
46:40 mill obviously he wants to play he's missed 13 or so games part of me wonders if you still trade him agree like now you go like this so tradeable we have him this isn't a here you go team now figure out signing him it's a here you go team you got him all year and then he's team controlled for you you guys can figure
46:56 out an extension if you want I would not be, my antenna is not down on him getting traded this year still. I really think that's very possible. I think it's higher even, Dan. Because it is so, after the whole rigmarole of this, if you're coming back to this team at three mil, it felt clear to me that something got soured and he was like this, I'm not playing for this fucking team anymore. And now you're like agent and everyone is like this, buddy, you're going to get eight to nine mil. And now you got three. And you're like this and I'm still team controlled. Like the same fucking thing is going to happen next summer. I would be like this. We got to get the fuck out of here. So I mean, it's, it sucks because
47:33 like, you guys just won the cup. And they're nasty again. Yeah. They're disgusting. And I'm like, bring it all back, dude. And it is kind of nasty too that like you're like, and now Nickition is playing for us. Dope. Amazing. But I am curious what the vibe is there. It's horrible. Because it can't be good. It's horrible. It simply cannot be. But again, I think you just go, okay, whatever it gets this done, it's one year. You know, it's one year of my life. I'll play on a really good team and I get three million which is not nothing I know that gets agent fees to fucking dick and you get a half of it but still you get some money and then I and dude he is going to get his his eight to nine in a long term deal next year so it's like it's okay you wasted one
48:14 year in a way but wasted like you're playing on that on the canes and dude you could win again you could win a cup again maybe you play all year then you win the cup again we'll figure it out but worse worse things have happened to people it's there's another factor though too that's like his his three mill will three mill will be off next summer as will chatfield and gosterspeers three million so there is a world where next summer tulski's like this you can have the nine next summer yeah so it's not totally out the window and if that happens that is another i'm like jesus christ telsky master class like if they somehow froze this situation out and then they got him to sign three mill and he's like this next summer you're getting the nine yeah then i'm kind of like wow dude
48:55 But I will say, why wasn't that fucking communicated to the player? Because sometimes agents are rats. You know, be like, hey, dude, we can only, it's kind of like the robo, even though the robo got plenty of money this year. But it's kind of like, hey, dude, we just need you to sign a one year at this because then we can pay you because we want you. And if that is how they feel, they should have said that. It's sometimes agents are rats and that might be the situation.
49:16 But, and like, chat feels only 30, dude. You're absolutely bringing him back. Yeah, yeah. Come on. So we'll see. All right. Let us hit an ad break. Then we'll get into a beerly collie.
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53:11 We finally found a guy from a lower level. We coughed up the game late on a couple of really soft goals. After the game, we were having a few beers and another guy in our league. came up to tell us how well our goalie played tonight. As he spoke, we realized he was talking about his own team. Our goalie played for his team that night and got a shutout win. That team has now passed us in the standings for the last playoff spot with a few weeks to go. I am new on the team, but I was adamant that this is a mid-season cuttable offense. I'm a beer league vet, and I've never heard of something like this before. For context, as your answer, our disloyal goalie is pretty
53:49 Colin. Dude. This guy is a... Better hope his name doesn't get out there. Oh, dude. This guy better fucking hope and pray. I don't find out who he is or where he lives. I was... I was... There's a lot of language in this that was getting me kind of confused. And when he said we're in contention for a playoff spot, my mind went to this was a playoff game. Yeah, yeah. Which was out of control for a second, but it's mid-season. That said, this is still Judas Judas behavior and we are a big protect our goalies show
54:26 especially in beer league goalies are they're our lifeblood worth their weight in gold and I'm usually a whatever the goalie needs we got to do here this is a kick him out of the league not just a cut him midseason
54:43 this is a kick him off the tour okay first of all Does he think this wouldn't, they wouldn't find out? Insane. This wouldn't come back to them. That he thought he was going to get away with this. But he was like, oh yeah, boys, I'm sick. Surely this will not get.
54:59 Did you walk into the arena with a robber's mascot? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you doing? Remember the other guy who gave his other dude, the other goal of his gear? But that's at least on the ice. Walking in and out into the parking lot, did you just think no one would find this out? It's the same league. It'd be one thing if he was playing in a different league.
55:17 He's like, I'm sick. Mean girls? Yes. I have you got to see me girls. I will. I'll watch it. And then he goes and plays in a different league and I'm like, you're not going to get caught. This is the same league, same night.
55:27 You're rinsed no matter what. Second of all, this is absolutely cuttable. Because I'm like, I don't care how good he is. He could betray you in the championship game. What happens if you make the championship? And he goes, hey, boys, good luck tonight. I'm playing for the other team. That's on the table.
55:43 So absolutely he can, you cannot win with this guy. You cannot go to war with this guy. It breaks a cardinal role of being on a team is that you're all going towards one goal together to win a game. If his loyalties are that wishy-washy, even if he's the best goalie that's ever lived, like he's no use to you if he decides to fuck you over. He could be, when you said he's pretty solid, he could have not given up a single goal all season. And I would be like this, you can't rely on this. And unfortunately, my last point is he doesn't like you guys. And he has been trying to get on this other team.
56:14 He's been trying to get on this other team for a while. I'm worried about that. And he goes, the soon as you guys have a need, if your goalie's gone, for whatever reason, buzz me. And they go, they went, really? Same league. You'd do that? And he went like this, I'd do it in a heartbeat. However, if that's the case, why would this other dude go up to you and be like this, dude, your goalie played really well for us tonight. Maybe he made a mistake. Maybe that guy slipped up. Maybe, but I, I worry that it's, if this goalie was actually trying to abandon you and join this team for a while, everyone would be aware of that. And no one would go around running. in their mouths. Yeah. That makes me freaked out
56:48 that this goalie was just like this is he possibly just oblivious? Or maybe the goalie has been trying to get this exodus done for a long time
56:56 but the team is unaware. So the guys on that team are just like, oh yeah, he played for us tonight. But at the same time, how dumb are you dude? Like,
57:03 did you think that this team would be like very chill with that? Wow, cool. I thought you were on the other team. Your goalie played sick
57:08 for us tonight. It's like, I really want this goalie to follow up if he has enough hair on his shriveled up beanbag to answer for his
57:15 crimes here I want to know, I want to hear it from his side. Oh, this is a trial. Facts of the matter are to answer your submission. This is a full on trial. Next game, don't make him aware of it. Yeah. Next game that you play that he is in, you guys get in the locker room and you go, it's an intervention.
57:32 Yeah. You go, all right, everyone, turn the music off. What the hell happened? And I want you to have an ebug there ready to play if it goes the wrong way. Actually, I like that. He's playing. We have a goalie here. We're playing tonight.
57:44 I actually really like it. But yeah, no, you need to. go full-on intervention and go, what the hell happened the other week? Get an explanation from him. And I don't really accept. Was there anything you'd accept? I have no idea. But if he was like, well, I was sick, but then I got better somehow.
58:00 Yeah. And you guys already had a goal. And then they called me after I was sick. And I was like, oh, it turns out I can play. I hate to admit it. I would actually accept that. No, that's such a lie. Well, I would accept it as a placeholder.
58:15 because if he then never did this again, if he went like this, dude, I was legitimately sick. And then I saw in the email thread that you picked up a goalie. And then a couple hours before game time, I felt better and I really wanted to skate. So I hit up some people and was like, does anyone need attendee? And they said yes. I would go, that's insane, but accept. Yeah. Because it's actually semi-reasonable.
58:36 They should have kicked their sub to the other team. We go, great. You're playing for this team now. I would, I mean, you of all people would understand being like this. I'm not going to kick this guy off. ice now. Yep. So it's kind of reasonable. Okay. So great call, Ev. I think I would, I think I would I can't believe I tricked you. Yeah, yeah. Same. I fell for it. You Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah, that's like, why would I deceive you? Yes. I have no reason to do that. But I would accept that.
58:59 I would accept that with caution. Yeah. And be like this, I don't know if I trust you, but you're back. Yeah. If you ever deceive me again, you're dead. Yeah. If I, I honestly think, like, anything else is probably either bullshit or- Or Caudible, dude. Yeah. And I will say it's tough to get, there's not a lot of teams need goalies. So cutting a goalie's a big deal because you're like, good luck finding a new squad, pal. Maybe a scarlet letter on it. Yeah, yeah. Forever. Forever. Crazy. That's insane. Crazy. Well, you got to intervention him. You have to intervene. You have to intervene. Okay, folks, that is going to do it for this episode of the Amtenders podcast. Subscribe to the page. Send it to your friends. We said last week,
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