Girls Gone Canon Cast - ASOIAF Episode 210 — ASOS Arya III

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

Turns out, being Arya Stark of Winterfell ain't all it's cracked up to be. When you're a "lady," everyone wants something from you.  --- Eliana's twitter: https://twitter.com/arhythmetric Eliana's reddit account: https://www.reddit.com/user/glass_table_girl Eliana's blog: https://themanyfacedblog.wordpress.com/ Chloe's twitter: https://twitter.com/liesandarbor Chloe's blog: liesandarborgold.com Intro by Anton Langhage

Hello and welcome to Girls Gone Canon Reads A Song Of Ice and Fire, episode 210, Arya in a Storm of Swords 3. I am one of your hosts, Chloe. And I am another one of your hosts, Eliana. And are you ready to get lost, but then get found like very immediately after? She's never gonna let it happen to her again. She said, fool me once. Yeah, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you can't get

fooled again. According to President George Bush. And I'm over here just like, J. Cole, fool me three times, fuck the people. Anyways, I'm excited for this episode. It's another shorty, just like Arya herself.

It's quick. You know, we're going to get in and out because the next couple chapters get really juicy. We'll talk about that in a moment. First up, let's talk about our Patreon bonus episode for the month. Patrons in the stranger tier and above, that's five bucks and up, get a bonus episode every month. This month, I'm very excited about it. Once in a while, Eliana and I let one another get what they want in these episodes. Eliana would be like, what if we did this? And I'm like, yes, Eliana, we should do this. And finally, it's my turn this month because Eliana is letting me do a Hunger Games episode. Very excited.

I like how you act like, you know, so it's not also a treat for me. I actually really like these books. I'm excited to do them. I think part of the reason we haven't necessarily done them is I feel as though there's a lot covered in these books. And I actually find them very intimidating to cover. I think that they're really heavy. And so I'm very excited to start the series. We are only doing book one. When I say The Hunger Games, we are not doing the whole series yet because it's a heavy series. Yeah, there's a lot of book to get through. And I think Hunger Games is a great place to start. If you've seen the movies, or if you've read the books, I think it'll be a

fun, fun episode or a very depressing episode. Maybe both. Maybe both. True. And also, I mean, I think part of what inspired us is we're like, oh, there's also the new movie that came out recently. Yeah, The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, which is a prequel. It's a prequel film. It's adapted from the prequel book that Suzanne Collins put out of the same name. And it follows Corey elena snow uh 18 years old 17 18 years old i should say and he's young dumb and full of no i'm just kidding but he is young and dumb i mean depending on who you follow on twitter on hunger game stand twitter which i am a big big promoter in you know i'm out there. I'm playing in the Hunger Games every day on Twitter. But no, he's stupid. And I love it. I'm very

excited. You get to see um, but he's not in some ways. And I'm sure we'll get to that book. Eventually, I'll force your hand and you'll be reading it. So I can't wait for that. Yeah, and I'm actually really excited to do that because it'll be my first time reading the prequel book. I've actually been reluctant to do so because,'ll be my first time reading the prequel book. I've actually been reluctant to do so because, you know, it wasn't a character that I felt was very compelling. But I think you and some of our friends like Ara, aka IE Zebra have said it's such a good like, it's actually a really interesting perspective. So I'm excited to get there. Yeah, we'll be covering a lot of the main themes in The Hunger Games in this first episode.

And they're themes that I guarantee you'll see come back when you read that prequel. It's very interesting. It's a good read. I highly suggest it if you're out there and you've read the original trilogy and you're looking for something more. And there's a rumor, I don't know the truth behind it, that Suzanne Collins may be writing another one. Oh, interesting.

Another prequel or like a sequel? Yeah, a prequel. So Suzanne, please give me Haymitch's story in full, even though we kind of know it. Please. I'm free Friday, Suzanne, if you have time. Thank you. Thank you. Interesting.

Okay. Okay. Well, that's what we're doing. We are ending the year by starting a new journey, you know. Every new beginning something other beginnings ends. I really fucked up. I'm actually very bad at song lyrics, everyone. Well, other news is that tomorrow is brunch, or hour or brappy hour yes tomorrow the 9th of december

2023 is our last discord brunch slash happy hour of the year of the year 2023 we'll return with brappy hours for our discord members and our thunder tier members yes thunder tier ten dollar and up tier gets access to Discord for life. And we'll be coming back in January for that. But if you're listening and you haven't joined up and you really want to, we're getting it out early this month. We're doing brunch early so you can all get to your Christmas parties or your holiday parties, whatever you're doing this month. Whatever family you've got to go be with.

You know what I mean? Yeah, and not only is it earlier this month, it is actually a little earlier in the day than we usually do it. Yeah, this brunch is going to be at 2pm. We moved it a little earlier so that we can kind of get you all out 2pm ET to 4pm ET, get you to your holiday parties or to your relatives or wherever you got to go. We don't want to hold up up your weekends but we also want to see all of our discord friends before the year's up because it's been such a fucking great year with you guys it actually really has been

quite a great year with all of you we got to meet a couple of people earlier this year as well and yeah that was in April so friends and patrons near and far, right? We had a friend from Ireland, a friend from the UK come in.

We've met a lot of people this year from our friend group, and I look forward to 2024 with you all. Indeed. Well, last thing about closing out the year, Aria 5 will be the last Aswath POV chapter of the year. Whoa. Whoa. Just like, whoa.V chapter of the year. Whoa. Whoa. It's just like, whoa.

This is news to me. Wow. Yeah, we're releasing this one for public on December 22nd. And then we're going to go on a little bit of a winter vacation. So you'll still hear our voices, thanks to patrons who are letting us release some episodes, some bonus episodes from the Patreon bonus episode vault. And we'll return to you sometime in January and continue on with a storm of swords.

Yeah. And okay. We've saved the best news for last next episode. We have something very exciting. We have a special guest. Yes. Our good friend. Carm is going to join us. I actually got to meet Karm this year as well, believe it or not. So there you go. There's another one.

Yeah, Karm and I, we're local. I've actually met Karm a couple times and God bless them. They, they're so fun. They have a fun style and we saw some movies nearby one another it was a blast but karm is so funny cracks me up they are the number one on guy enjoyer first of all uh they'll probably be able to give us their official on guy pronunciation pronunciation yeah i look forward to that but he's the yeah he's a blast loves the stuff, and I can't wait to have them on to talk about Aria 4, because it is a chunky chapter. It is very thick. There's a lot that goes on. I don't mean to be disrespectful to the chapter.

It's curvy. It is a curvy chapter. It's got left and right curves up and down. It's everywhere. So we will need Karm to guide us and shepherd us through that. Absolutely. we will. I'm really excited. And, you know, I think Karm is also very excited.

And Arya is one of like their favorite characters. And so we are, we've got a packed December here. Yeah, a lot to get done before 2024. And we're glad to have you all along for the ride. Thanks for listening to us and for subscribing and for all of your nice comments and emails and reviews and all the stuff that we get all the time we've gotten some really nice we've gotten a couple really really kind emails this holiday season so far and we did get a new review i was really excited to see this one. I was surprised when I saw this in the document. I was like, wait, is that from iTunes?

It's been a while. It has. I think people are afraid that we're going to sass them on air whenever they leave us a review, even though we beg it, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. But this one's great. You should read this one for us. Okay, so this one comes from ea champion as in like real

the games i assume everywhere so ea champion said uh the title of this review is la maoing which love that thank you first of all lmaoing for those of you that don't speak eliana lmao oh i gotta tell y'all about my balder's gay character sometime anyways i i already have i haven't gotten very far um it's a stressful game triggers all my anxiety says i just started listening to this cast after listening to all the episodes and not a cast and i am in love i just got to where season eight of The Bad Show started. I cannot help myself and I laugh constantly to myself while listening at work. And everyone thinks I'm crazy, but yolo.

Thanks for a very entertaining and thoughtful commentary. We are indeed entertainment. Don't ever forget it, everyone. Yeah, no one has ever called our season eight content thoughtful. So I really am like in awe. I think that was overall our content. Maybe not just season eight, but... I think it was just sad. I think I just blocked out that time period as well. Because I was like... I'm a different person than I was then. Whatever. It was also just like, we were going through, I think, the Jon chapters. And after a while, I'm gonna be real. They dragged.

It was sad. chapters and after a while i'm gonna be real they dragged especially with the season eight stuff i was like oh my god free me i'm like aria this chapter free me oh my god they were yeah very depressing chapters after a while but i'm the one that was like in um to win um you know like they did drag but i was over there like let the sadness envelop me. I love being sad. I've had an awakening during those chapters, I feel like. Because remember, I didn't like John really before then. It's not that I didn't like him. I just didn't care. I feel the same.

And I do feel the same about John now as you. Similar journey. But it was still like, know you were like let the sadness flow through you i am like please do not let me feel my feelings this is why eliana is the sun and i'm the moon maybe sometimes maybe we flip-flop i don't know maybe well i'm so glad that ea champion is sticking through this with us thank you ea champion for the review thank you you'll get here one day uh yeah i hope that when you get oh yeah shit i wonder where they are i would i hope they can keep up and like let us know where they are somehow please please let us know yeah it is

astounding how quickly actually people get through the chapters like for example um one of our listeners chlorophobia breezed through so like you know people were like you're all the way back there within like a week or a month he was all all caught up yeah chlorophobia went through it he was like i'm on sam today and then the next day he was like so i'm on the first aria yeah it was nuts it was fucking nuts anyway i'm i'm interested when ea champion races and catches up to us i don't know what kind of champion if ea champion catches up with us i will challenge them for the championship title of what of ea sports a games no of ea games because i played two ea games three ea games actually what were they sims 2 sims 3 sims 4 suck on it yes Yes. Chloe is like a Sims scholar. Yeah, this is for another day, but...

For another day, but I am what we call a Sims scholar, for sure. I'm into it. A Sim. Oh my gosh. Thank you again for the email, or for the review. Oh my god. Thank you again for the email or for the review oh my god yes thank you again for the review we like i said have a quick chapter today so may as well get to her

get to the riverlands and start off with the lightning round i don't know the rest of the words to that song. Jenny's in her castle. Yeah. You know, I'm between you and me. You're whimsy and my lyricism. We can make this musical happen, Eliana. We can absolutely do it. So let's come back to this song of Ice and Fire. Catelyn too.

Catelyn and Rob reveal their cute little oopsie moments to one another while their allies leave. Bye. John 2. Ygritte and John share a bed. I misread your line there for a second. I thought it said bud. And I was like, wow. Wow, they're really growing stuff. We're free folk, motherfuckers. Yeah, absolutely.

Sansa 2. In one of the best chapters that tells a story through garments. We are also a fashion podcast. Sansa 2 and one of the best chapters that tells a story through garments we are also a fashion podcast Sansa is being fitted for a new dress it's a really good chapter and that's all I'm gonna fucking say

it's a good chapter Sansa 2 and Asos is good that brings us to another great chapter back to back Arya 3 in a storm of swords Arya tries to break free from the brotherhood but she's caught once more we open up on intermittent rain but the sky is more gray than blue by the third day the moss is growing on the wrong side of the trees and aria kind of notices

that they're going south not north she tells gandry she thinks they're lost and that they're going south, not north. She tells Gendry she thinks they're lost and that they shouldn't have left the river. So there's a lot of like morning of the third day, third day stuff going on in this book specifically, A Storm of Swords, that I think gives it very biblical vibes, one of which being here with Arya noticing. But also, if you'll remember, Catelyn Stark was revived, I'm sorry, resurrected on the third day. I needed to be clear about our language. Yeah, Jesus. And it also is a very Majora's Mask vibes. But more importantly, in regards to the Catelyn stark jesus comparisons that other people have made

before not not necessarily us you know even though we say that stark died for our sins catelyn has the you know she has like the scars on her hands right and then comes back the third day yeah it's not lost on me how masterfully done the barrack stuff is in this book to reveal her at the end it's so well placed god damn it george your brain his mind george handwriting as i've learned recently oh yeah you that's a tale you'll have to work in today about your big reading challenge over Thanksgiving break. Yeah. So Gendry comments that they're probably going a shorter secret outlaw way because the outlaws have lived here for years and Arya bites her lip. She is still worried about the moss. Do you want to exercise your you've been working on your Gendry voice? How many more times are you going to get to use it? Okay, fine.

Chloe looks so exasperated, everyone. It's like a little Brooklyn accent, but it also has a little, like, Irish almost to it. I don't know what's going on with this accent, so let me just dabble. We're working on it. It's a work in progress. The way it's raining, we'll have moss growing from our ears before long, Gendry complained. Only from our ears before long gendry complained only from our south ear aria declared stubbornly which lmao aria but also again as you and i discussed last time this is exactly how i feel about moss well and you know uh a lot of people have pointed this out and actually i was rereading an addlewell essay the other day on this and aria obviously gets the moss wrong as we pointed out she she flip

flops on it several times and this kind of shows like oh maybe you just had it wrong aria the whole time yeah that and i don't know moss just i've seen moss okay it's not reliable it is not a reliable method so anyway there's no use trying to convince them but genji's like the only friend she has now because hot pie stayed behind a charn is in he got a job offer decided to follow his one true calling which is ill rabid and baking very valid and their goodbye was sweet hot pie remembers oh aria's a lady now and asks if she'll come back when the war is done and aria nods she apologizes for busting him up the one time when they fought and breaking his nose and he grins saying well you broke limbs too and that's a little bittersweet moment and when it's time to go hot pie asked if he could kiss Milady's hand. And she punches him in the shoulder, saying she's Ari and he's Hot Pie.

Aww. He says at the end that now he's just Boy and he's no longer Hot Pie. Because that gets confusing, as Sharna had mentioned last chapter. And it's getting even more confusing calling him Boy because there's the other Boy. So it's kind of interesting. And Husband. There's Husband. I'm sorry. There's husband i'm sorry there's roommate boy and boy oh yes sorry it is really bittersweet and that's interesting right because it's like hot pie is losing his identity much like aria is going on to do right hot pie is now also nameless and faceless he's just boy uh but it's so bittersweet because for hot pie out on foot

in this war he's more than shown us he's not made for being a foot soldier right he's not made for killing he wants to be free to bake and to help people on a level that he can actually help them right like he's not out in the in the woods he's no one he's not a help to anyone right giving them away or getting them killed he can't run fast and it doesn't mean that he's useless though like there are still other uses for hot pie like last chapter he tells sharna and her husband why the bread is bad and it's not like something that costs more money necessarily it costs more money with labor but the's not like something that costs more money necessarily. It costs more money with labor, but the fix isn't something that costs more money. People living in extreme

conditions in poverty under war deserve to have nice things too. Under or not under war. Hell, you know, like broke bitches deserve good things. Like just because you're poor or in lesser conditions doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy what you have he can fix that bread for fucking free which you know there's almost some uh water into wine kind of to it when you think about it right like he's got a little jesus going on himself here you know comes to the inn and says let there be bread hot pie this is my body break this bread anyways it makes me think a lot about like conscription and war and how not everybody that gets conscripted is a soldier. Right.

No spoilers, but there's a character in the Hunger Games prequel, right, who wants to be a medic, doesn't want to be a cop or a soldier on the front line. His hope is that he can be a medic doesn't want to be a cop or a soldier on the front line his hope is that he can be a medic and help people and unfortunately he learns that that isn't going to work for him that opportunity does get taken away and it makes me think of you know like i have friends in the military that do desk jobs uh i have a friend that got to move to like hawaii and do a desk job for half a decade for a while and do some other tech stuff for them and it was very interesting but there are a lot of jobs just to keep things running in a military or even in a rebellion food obviously that's really important rebels need food to eat and food and a swath in general right like the nourishment and what food means and all the symbolism around some of the food and a swath eating richly whether it's just because george loves food or not eating richly is good usually for characters especially that are

malnourished from being on the run but it's also the sad part of it like there's also a great sadness right because it makes me really sad for aria because as she hurdles toward the end of her storm of swords journey and ends up at the twins and ends up uh at her the wedding for her uncle she's alone she's lost hot pie she loses gendry right they choose to leave her her new pack that she wanted to keep chooses to leave her and she finally shows up at what she thinks is going to be a reunion with her pack her family but it's actually a slaughter of her family so that will fuck a kid up i would say yeah only one of the several things that will fuck aria up but i really like what you pointed out about hot pie also losing his identity in war right like how i think we've seen there's this kind of idea of like you know

the way that the broken man kind of strips people of their identity and i'm not saying hot pie is a broken man but the idea that war turns people like into into these bodies and these statistics and that's what's happening to hot pie but just because the war is doing that or him staying behind is doing that doesn't mean that he is we see that he's like this rich character that that is in our story and that's true of a bunch of other people you know throughout our world right even though we don't know them they have full lives hot pie it doesn't because he's not a real person these are all characters in books but anyway speaking of these characters in books i imagine that when this scene was written,

it was also during a time when George was envisioning there being a five-year gap. So when you think about that timeline, when Hot Pie also saying, you know, Arya, please visit me when the war is done. That's at least five more years from now, right? And it really strikes me as well when aria thinks you know she doesn't know if the war will ever be done you were talking about these things that would really affect her psyche and i think one of that is her feeling as though the war is endless the fighting will never ever be done because all she's had to do from this young age now is fight war has become the

one constant in her life and the the people in it, unfortunately, are the things that are not constants. They are leaving her all the time. They are ephemeral. Yeah. At the end, she's alone. I mean, that's when she goes to make her big choice of going to Braavos. She has nothing else waiting for her. Yeah. i kind of wonder if we'll see something like come full circle maybe with her as she grows and realizes that just because people don't stay with you the whole time you know they go off somewhere doesn't mean they're not part of your family you don't love them you're still part of the same pack even if you're far apart you're still connected which could be part of her choice to if she does choose to leave

later on at the end of the story yeah they're the people you love are always with you even if they're not there yeah all you need is um i don't know glass candles and cell phones that's like me and chloe exactly that's how we live and we're doing just fine in our marriage yeah she helped me sort through how to deal with a chalazion chalazion stye I don't know something on my eye today

it just sounds like chorizo when you put it that way it's better than me just explaining to my partner I have a charizard on my eye he's like what soon she will I have a Charizard on my eye. He's like, what? Soon she will not have a Charizard on her eye. Soon I will not.

Arya really misses Hot Pie, but she confides in Harwin now instead. She tells him about his dad's death, and later he'll tell her about her dad's almost death. And it's kind of funny.

Harwin gets a nice remark and he's like, you know, Holland always said he'd die in a stable. Kind of sad in a sweet way, right? Like, oh, he died doing what he loved, being in a stable. I thought it was like being stabbed. No. I can't wait. I hope I get that.

He's just like me for real. Oh my god. She tells him about King's Landing and escaping and Yoren. And she leaves out the bit where she kills a stable boy. Because while she talks to Harwin, she's like, this is like talking to my dad. I can't bear letting my dad know that I murdered someone. She doesn't tell him about the coin that Jaqen gave her either. Secret secrets.

Secrets. Yeah, that's just for her. And I think that's something that's really interesting when it comes to Arya's identities, right? Because I think we see her as having all these different personas and Arya Stark being her true one. But even when she's Arya Stark, her true identity, she still cannot be her true self. And a lot of her storyline is about her being able to be her authentic self and finding it like right from the beginning of her story in a game of thrones she's forced to play the part of a lady and so she has to hide all these parts of herself her interests and right now she feels she has to hide the dark parts of herself and the shameful things that she had to do to survive and you know when i think the stark children finally finally get to reunite

with one another hopefully uh i think that or i hope that it can be really help like healing for them they can finally be their full selves with each other even all of those ugly parts because i think you know obviously each of them knows what grief feels like each of them knows what it meant to have to make those difficult and shameful choices to survive and also about making mistakes making very costly mistakes so yeah i really love that because like i mean you think about like okay like trauma bonding but like when you have a friend and you both trauma dump on each other and you bond because you're like, here are the terrible things that happened in my life. Here are the terrible things that happened in my life.

And then suddenly your bond is so special and strong. You can tell them anything. You can be like, I murdered a boy at a stable. Oh my God. I murdered a boy at a stable. I poisoned our cousin. What are you telling me? I'm our cousin. What are you telling me? What are you telling me right now?

I'm winking. Don't tell them. Okay, yeah, yeah. I poisoned our cousin, but also, you know, John being like, yeah, I had to kill my teacher. Which one? Which one? Yeah, true, true. At night, Arya holds her coin, and she thinks of Jaqen's melted-off face, and she repeats her prayer to herself.

Ser Gregor, Dunsin, Poliver, Raph the Sweetling, the Tickler, the Hound, Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei, King Joffrey. Only six of twenty Winterfell men remain of the men that her father sent west with Beric from the throne room. Harwin tells her, it was a trap. Tywin hoped to coax Eddard west and kill him, or to trade him for the imp, but the Kingslayer hadn't known the plan. Arya remembers though, and she tells him the Kingslayer killed Jory, and Harwin nods. Eddard's leg had been shattered, and that's why he couldn't go west and send other men. So first of all, I think Arya is probably actually very good at lyrics when we're going to bring song lyrics. Second, I find this reveal of what happened with that plan

kind of really interesting, right? Because we see how the Lannister's plans go awry because of like that lack of communication kind of reminds me of robin edmure in regards to holding river run also there's kind of like an almost good fortune right of jamie's character flaws and being so hot-headed which prevented them prevented the lannisters from making it seem like ned's death was an accident and he could be there you know for the stuff that happened with robert at least and uh it it makes it throws a wrench in the lannister plans and it prevents aria from becoming like entrapped as well by the lannisters right because of how things fell and also i think it's interesting that the person who

first witnesses ned sending these men out is sansa and we get a follow-up to what happened and the discussion of the trap part of it in aria's chapter especially considering that sansa learned that there was also a political trap of a sort when it came to this decision in her discussion with little finger during those chapters in the game of thrones yeah it strikes me that aria has the most information now of what actually happened because something i love that he does with her right is that aria gets a lot of information but because of her age she doesn't necessarily put the pieces together of what it actually means right so she's starting to kind of collect these bits and pieces from the week that her dad died of what happened before.

I mean, she doesn't know about Jamie Lannister and what happened to his leg and full. She doesn't know the details. She doesn't know what her dad was doing. So it's interesting, right? Because this is like Sansa and her have half and half of the information. Sansa is with Littlefinger now and has even more information in a way as she's starting to understand what makes him tick. So I wonder if Arya and Sansa

when they reunite, whether it's Winds of Winter or A Dream of Spring, if this will be enough info that they can put it together, paste it together, and kill Littlefinger with it. Yeah, and then they'll hit up Gendry and be like, hey, guess what my dad was doing the week before he died?

Looking at your parentage. No, really. By the way. Yeah. Well, and that's the other thing. I'm like, Gendry, you should mention more about that visit from Eddard in a year or two, you know? Because if you show up, put that info out there. Because really, it's going to get to the point where the only missing information for both sanza and aria about that day is the little finger betrayal right about that week

about him betraying like had he not betrayed their father he might have been able to get them out of there and get out himself um it was already in motion with little finger and i think that missing fact is something that sanza and aria have to put together. Yeah, either they put it together or I don't really like the mechanism of it. I don't know, it works. It's fine if it's a brand. I think I just don't like it because of how the show did it. But people had theorized it would go that way for a long time. I have no idea how this would even happen,

but it would be kind of funny and interesting if it came from Cersei. Oh, I'm like, if it came from Rickon. Fascinating also, fascinating idea it came from Cersei. Oh, I'm like, if it came from Rickon. Fascinating also. Fascinating idea also, but Cersei. How would Cersei be the one to give that info, do you think? I'm just curious. No, like I said, there's no way that they possibly connect with one another for her to be able to give them that info, but I just think it would be really dramatic and I love drama because for her to be like little finger you mean the guy who betrayed your father and then being like no you're full of lies seriously you've always been mean to me in line to me she's like i'm telling the truth now because a broken clock is right twice a day but anyway sorry done i like this dream it's an

interesting dream i just don't see the execution but but I still like it. I like it. It won't happen. It absolutely will not happen. I just like- It's fun, though. Messy. Anyway. Speaking of things that were messy, Harwin says he watched the mountains slay Raymond Derry. Glenn Wild also died, and Lord Mallory was written down and drowned he thought he was doomed too but Alan restored order and they rallied around Thoros

cutting their way free they went from six score to two score in a day and Beric was gravely wounded Thoros took a foot of lance out of Beric's chest that day boiling his wound with wine and everyone thought he'd be dead by daybreak but Thoros frayed all night beside the fire and by dawn beric was alive and strong wow wow incredible

the fighting had passed them by then the mountain's men crossed the red fork in strength and burnt everything in their path they had planned to join king robert when he marched to crush tywin's rebellion but then then, suddenly, Robert was dead. And then Ned and Joffrey had the throne. Some wanted to yield, but Beric wouldn't hear of it, calling them king's men, protecting the king's people. Honestly, putting it out there, Beric is an amazing marketer. Just the way that he spun all this. JK, JK, but also not really.

But really. but really but really i think that the way that this is all described of what happened to them and their original purpose had been to bring the outlaws to heel need to find themselves suddenly the outlaws when the regime changed is you know it's just a great encapsulation of how the series explores justice and the difference between ethics and morals right right? Like, under the Lannister regime, they're no longer really operating ethically under the set of rules that the Lannisters have versus how they decide to follow their own internal

set of morals and what they think is good versus bad. And in doing so, they end up being perceived as ethical by a different society, a different community, which is those of the people who live here. And that's why the people end up joining them. But I don't know.

There's also, and I think you have more thoughts on this and we'll explore this more over the next few chapters. Another aspect of like, is it because what they're doing is so well respected and like so good for everyone? Or is it that some of the men who join also like romanticize the idea of this movement? And I mean, obviously people within the brotherhood who like we meet here already do. But anyway he's like look it's your boy barrack getting

killed somewhere i shouldn't be uh but really he they are like they show up they steal from the rich give to the poor they get their free meal out of it because they protect and they kill off what they think are the bad guys and um i mean it sounds kind of mobbish when you think about it in that way but that's all the government is too so I'm not like I'm not too mad about it because I'm like oh it's small government versus big government but I think it's a really great like watching it from this way we have kind of like the broken man you have all these ideas of just like a dude in a war breaking and he's under bad guys that are leading him no matter what that's kind of an idea that's

presented to us next book right like sandor who fights for assholes and he breaks but here you have at the opposite angle you have men that seem to be good men that set out to do good and then it spirals downwards right and good doesn't last forever in this group that's really interesting because i think also you're you're articulating something that is going on throughout the whole book series in other povs that are very far away of like the road to hell is paved with good intentions and they do have good intentions they do want to help people and feel connected to them but everything's gray yeah when do you lose yourself in that you know i mean one day it's making sure sharna feeds you a duck and nobody fucks her in up and then one day the men break and brienne's facing off against seven yeah despairing outside

of the inn that no longer has those protections because they're spread too thin and they've broken oh that's a really interesting idea too that yeah the organization the ties that hold them together break too especially because and we're going to talk about this with car next chapter honestly there's a lot of the fainting and that we don't really know where barrick is but you know we find him through secret like the where's fluffy show in nick and nora's infinite playlist but we find him through secrets you know through question marks spread across the land yeah he's got he's uploading his his tiktok videos his influencer i instagram later grams you know so you never really know where he is hashtag later gram exactly throw him off the scent i love i love your description of them

as influencers it kind of feels that way like they're just like walking around singing you know like come on they're doing their yeah they're using their viral viral songs yeah they're doing little tiktok dances in the fucking burnt fields yeah now i'm imagining them doing like a barrick get ready with me video and he's like being resurrected as he talks about being outlaws anyway hashtag gangsmen oh my gosh so we have a passage we have a passage if we could not fight for Robert, we would fight for them, until every man of us was dead. And so we did, but as we fought, something queer happened. For every man we lost, two showed up to take his place.

A few were knights or squires, of gentle birth, but most were common men. Fieldhands and fiddlers and innkeeps, servants and shoemakers. Even two settons. Men of all sorts and women too, children, dogs. Dogs? said Arya. Aye, Harwin grinned. One of our lads keeps the meanest dogs you'd ever want to see. I wish I had a good mean dog.

A lion-killing dog. She'd had a direwolf once, Nymeria, but she'd thrown rocks at her until she fled to keep the queen from killing her. Could a direwolf kill a lion? She wondered. I hope. It'd be great to watch. It goes without saying she's about to find a very good mean dog a lion killing dog himself a lannister killing dog a new dog an old dog but he learns new tricks he's not that old he's 27

you said it she said it folks not me he's not that old as a like. He's too old for Sansa. I'm sorry. You heard it first. Eliana is a Sansan shipper is what I just heard. Not. Active, actively. She is in the shipping community. We have a ship here that I support in this chapter.

It's Gendrya. But anyways, so I'm just saying. It has an age gap to get it together it does but i'm just saying that santor is younger than me and he is not that old that's all that is isn't i'm just kidding i'm just kidding actually like i think tyrian's younger than me now too and so is little thinker all right this is getting depressing let's pack it up stop let's stop how many more years did we say it would take to finish these books uh the outlaws have friends that keep them out of the rain for a little bit

jack be lucky blows his horn and an abandoned village comes to life they drink ale they eat dried apples and stale bread and they even have a goose i love this i really love this because um it reflects a few things i am reminded immediately of the others right that he blows the horn and the village reanimates everything comes to life but it also reminds me a little bit of what john is doing with the free folk right now right and um kind of the somewhat guerrilla behavior like that they're you know coming upon their villages or how they're able to faint around the North. It's interesting. It reminds me a little bit of them as well

and how he, you know, arrives at these sudden erected village is. Yeah, I love that connection that you had with the free folk. And I was thinking of a different also, similarly, peoples in the North, that idea of resilience as well with the children in the forest, right? Also these seemingly gone, abandoned places places and they have an entire society they seem real sad though but as opposed to these people who seem pretty invigorated right now yeah i mean they're hiding from the war right that's uh that's the big thing they're hiding from the war, looking for a safe- it's safe, come out. Yeah.

Absolutely. The villagers chat with Lem, and they tell him that men have been seeking the Kingslayer around these parts, because that's right! He's escaped! Everyone's like, what? No, I don't believe it. How could he escape those dungeons? They're crazy hard to escape from, Thoros must be told.

Yeah, because I guess they have first-hand experience with it. And I also think it's not wrong to question, is it true that Jaime Lannister escaped? Because the truth is kind of somewhere in between, because technically Jaime did not really escape. Like, kind of, but really he was just set free by Arya's mom. He didn't really escape. That's a really good point. mom he didn't really escape that's a really good point he absolutely didn't just escape and it's interesting because somebody kind of mentions oh well the lord of light will show us lannister and his flames and they joke about relore for a

minute and then lem cracks his knuckles he's like well barak would love to capture him and give him a trial and then hang him and they quite obviously and this is really interesting in light haha no pun intended in light of sandor's trial right uh they've already decided jamie's guilty with or without a trial pretty much lem has already decided it because he you know was around during the time that that Jaime killed the king because he's, you know, not Lem-Lemon Cloak. But he has already just straight up was like, yeah, and then they'll kill him for his crimes. Ha ha ha. Even if he has a trial where Sandor is brought in and obviously he's done some shit and they let him go because he wins his trial his trial by combat and then we have of course Jamie captured Adabuda by them and they're you know they're ready to take him down then

yeah and I guess their method of trial is different by that time as opposed to how it is here which is kind of funny right then it becomes parallels with Tyrion and they're like that man is guilty Tyrion was not actually guilty of whatever that crime was at that time in Game of Thrones but also you were talking about Lemlem and Cloak and not being quite himself not being himself but also in regards

to the king that he would have served at that time or the prince of the king and they kind of it's very Ares like right the way that they're thinking about this trial yeah it's not that different like right the way that they're they're thinking about this trial yeah it's not that different from what aries would do in the end aries's would be longer and more torturous i suppose but they do kind of torture sandor of the fire whether he doesn't die or not exactly there's like the fire aspect though i guess there is more of a chance of

winning i'm surprised that they think that they could win against because they don't you know jamie's not injured yet at that time surprising that they think they could win against him in a trial by combat but anyways i also think it's funny that they're saying that barrick would hang him and also what you were saying of them being like yeah he's they just decide that he's guilty but anyways it turns out that barrick doesn't end up hanging jamie because barrack's dead but maybe the person-ish thing who has barrack's life force absolutely would just kind of goes through or also like i don't know maybe it's just like people who lead the brotherhood just aren't really into real trials they're all um theater students All of them went to theater camp. They're all in theater camp. A camp isn't home.

But isn't it kind of? Or it's so hard doing it. Kind of it is. When can we get Jimmy Datro to come on our podcast? Yo. Please. Please. Yo.

Theater camp episode one. Musical theater. Coming soon. Agreed Tom begins to play the wood harp Singing a song Of the Kingswood Brotherhood Arya listens to the song Closing her eyes

Drifting off to sleep She dreams of Winterfell But it's not a good dream She's outside Caked in mud And when she tries to reach the gates Every step is harder than the one before The castle fades until it's smoke And and wolves stalk through the trees around her.

When she looks at them, she tastes blood. I took this as Nymeria trying to go home. Did you? Yeah, so I'm like, is she already fucking there? She's so fast. That's what it reads. Yeah, it's fascinating, actually. I guess you can be pretty fast with four legs and when you know which way is north.

Fuck. I wish Arya would have inherited that wolf skill. I know, right? The next morning, they leave and there's gusty winds, but no rain yet. There's even a little bit of sun peeking out. Arya realizes they're going the wrong way, telling Gendry, look at the sun, and unrolls her map, showing him where they are. Jack, be lucky though, defends their choice, choice and lem says you're not going to river run tom seven strings steps in and he's like no harm's gonna come to you no harm

jack be lucky be quick anyways jack stop being a fucking dick oh fuck nice so like what happened with ned not going with the brotherhood i think you know this is pretty self-explanatory but obviously these accidents maybe work out for the better that's the whole point and i mean ned obviously still died but i think all of you also know what i mean we talked about it earlier and aria not going to river run right away obviously means she isn't dead or like completely held as a prisoner by the lannister slash phrase and it's very much like danny's story right to go north you must journey south to go home you have to go the fuck away for all these other places first i want to come back to the Kingswood Brotherhood, and I kind of thought about putting this in the next chapter,

but I wanted to come back here because of the song. Ooh. Yeah, and we're going to get more song next chapter. In fact, a great classic song about some feather beds, if you know what I mean. But this song, we don't really get the lyrics of. I thought it was really interesting because we're talking a lot about the brotherhood, and we've talked a little bit about this in the past Aria episodes, but there's a really

significant bit of parallel here, right? You look back at 279 AC, Duskendale, right? Duskendale complained about their taxes, and they kidnapped aries and tortured him and freaked everyone out and aries goes back and he's fucking traumatized in the 270s from that then traumatic yeah very traumatic kingswood brotherhood happened in 281 ac not far after duskendale right and then the rebellion robert's rebellion happens in 282 ac so you can kind of see the pattern of disparity fiscal disparity in the country across westeros and how it's affecting the people and the small uprisings beginning even as early as 279 under aries and how it leads immediately to a rebellion in 282.

If you map the story, we start, what, 297? So by the last published book, we're looking at 299, 300? I think we're in 300. We're in 300 now. I think we just get to 300, right? Yeah, yeah. So over that handful of years, right, three years, you can see how that escalated. It paints its own picture of unhappy people and their unrest,

I would say. And tying the Kingswood to Robert's first rebellion in a way, uh, versus the brotherhood to Robert Baratheon now dead. And there's still Kingsmen is really interesting. Hell, we have Oswin Longneck, the thrice hanged,

who sounds an awful lot like Beric, wouldn't you say? Thrice Hanged? How is someone Thrice Hanged? I was thinking, he doesn't look like Beric, but I was like, is she going to make a Land Before Time reference? It is not okay for the Longnecks to be doing this in the Riverlands. Nope, nope, nope. But that's a great catch.

I'm sorry, there's going to be... There's also something interesting in the kidnapping of the rich and so this comes up here aria is you know she's heard of being a hostage being a highborn hostage this isn't anything new uh we hear a lot about it in the story and aria is no stranger to understanding the concept she realizes that that is what she is at this point with them and we have that parallel of princess ellia martel right uh olmer takes her and what he claims he stole a kiss from her quote unquote and olmer at the watch right we've talked about him a couple times up at the watch but he also helped wenda burn her sign into people, including Merit Frey, who gets hanged by Lady Stoneheart,

who has her own calling sign at the end of the epilogue. And of course, Tom sings a song about Big Belly Ben and the High Septon's Goose, which ties into that introduction of the Kingswood Brotherhood lore and the Brotherhood Without Banners lore, really, this book, as well as in that next couple chapters when Arya's thinking about being ransomed as a highborn hostage. Hey, everyone, sorry if there's alarms in the background. That's just, you know, that's just the Brotherhood Without Banners going, doing their mayhem, who knows. And yeah, I think this is really interesting what you're saying about the connections between the Kingswood Brotherhood and the brotherhood without banners and this idea of like history repeating itself but also the differences between how how the things go right because we get an inside look

into how the brotherhood without banners kind of devolves into whatever it becomes and the stories of the kingswood brotherhood and that. And that's a great point also that you showed of like how it all ties into this dissatisfaction that people were feeling with Ares's reign, which is kind of also interesting when you see how people, there's a diversity of opinion, right? Amongst the small folk that Arya has met of like how they feel about the Lannisters, how they feel about Ares, and some of them even romanticizing the time under Ares. There's also an interesting connection with how it was ended, right?

That Arthur Dane was able to bring some peace and go to Ares and say, Hey, can we give them a couple of rights? Maybe a penny or two, my God. And then his involvement in the end of the rebellion, right? That at the Tower of Joy, he may have been brokering some sort of peace in another way. Yeah, I find it interesting. And then, especially because now you're chasing Arthur's 2.0 gone wrong, right? Jamie, who was also there at the time.

True. True. And he thinks about it, and now he's, yeah, maybe we'll get more of it. Actually, that's so interesting, because you're saying you want more information. One day, tomorrow, right now, yesterday, when the winds of winter came to out. Look under your chairs. Look under your chair. It's there.

It's there. I bet we will probably get some reminiscing from Jamie in his interiority and stuff so interesting yeah even just looking at like the mentions of when it comes up it really starts to appear in Storm and I think it's a great way to put it against Jamie's actions put it against the brotherhood and for George to kind of tell us this second story and inform us of that history repeating like you said yeah but with its own little twist of course well aria begs them to take her and that they'll be rewarded but greenbeard says nah you're worth too much and there's also a squirrel analogy but we'll talk about that another time they promise that beric

will do right by you and probably send her back to her mother just you know with some money involved and she takes a breath glancing at the outlaws thinking of her mantra trying to be quick as a snake and off she and her horse go in an open field directionless just running to escape them or as chloe might sometimes say off they fuck yes she urges uh i'm so chuffed um Ha ha ha ha, chuffed. Um, I got you. I got you. I knew what you wanted in this moment. You wanted the Chloe-isms, the clope-isms.

Yeah, but I was like, but she has to say it, but it's okay, I'll just channel her. Off the fuck. She's right here in the room with me, but it's, but not actually in the room. And is Chloe in the room with us right now? Yes. Uh, so she, she urges the horse to a gallop, but when she glances back, the men are following her. Oh no, Ongai and Harwin and Greenbeard are racing with Lem behind them,

and she urges her horse on, jumping a dry ditch. She fords a stream. She's getting back into thick undergrowth. She's so close to making it. She climbs hill after hill. She's lost in the woods. She knows that she needs to get back to a road or a field. Instead, she comes to a game trail and she's racing along. Branches are hitting her in the face. She comes to another stream or maybe it's the same one.

Or a Twitch stream. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there you go. A Twitch stream. Oh, God. Thorns are scratching at her face. She hears the crashing of horses behind her and she knows that there's no time and that she needs to go and then she sees that in the lead chasing her is Harwin. Dang. Because, you know, there are no heroes in life. Oh, I was thinking cause horse guy, but

He does have an advantage, but also how devastating, right? That like he's the one that she's supposed to be able to trust as they say the one that she chose to reveal herself to the only reason she even reveals herself at all to be honest yep yeah as they say betrayal but betrayal they being you oops um we're getting towards the end of the chapter, but this whole chase scene and her trying to get away,

I kind of wonder if we'll see her apprise of this kind of language when Arya is trying to maybe leave the Faceless Men. I don't know. Maybe. Especially with the little serial mantra again. I like that. It is kind of... I know I condensed it here, but it's very tense. It's long. She's

actually out. Go read it. Yeah, she's in the lead for a long time, though. Like you have to really respect that she, little babe, is out here and she loses them for a minute. She's actually close to escaping. So it's very devastating that just as she's about to escape, there's her father's man that she trusted to bring her back. Yeah, the language is really great in this chase scene actually and absolutely captures what i imagine it would feel like based on the dreams where i get chased and also based on video games where i am running away from do you have these dreams often actually kind of okay we'll google this later okay dream meaning being chased it probably i'm gonna tell you right now something about your subconscious and anxiety more than likely but oh probably most likely anyway let's let's get to the end of this chat we are chasing

the end of this chapter yes let's jump into the last passage. It's a longer one, but I really like it. I think it's a good back and forth. I think it deserves its place. No, she thought. No, he can't. Not him. It isn't fair. Both horses were lathered and flagging by the time he came up beside her, reached over and grabbed her bridle. Arya was breathing hard herself then. She knew the fight was done. You ride like a northman, m'lady, Harwin said when he'd drawn them to a halt. Your aunt was the same, Lady Lyanna, but my father was the master of horse, remember? The look she gave him was full of hurt. Thought you were my father's man. Lord Eddard's dead, m'lady. I belong to the Lightning Lord now, and to my brothers. What brothers? Old Hullen had fathered no other sons that Arya could remember.

Anguy, Lem, Thomas Sevens, Jack, Greenbeard, all of them. We mean your brother Robb no ill, m'lady, but it's not him we fight for. He an army all his own and many a great lord to bend the knee the small folk only have us he gave her a searching look can you understand what i'm telling you yes that he was not rob's man she understood well enough and that she was his captive i could have stayed with hot pie we could have taken the little boat and sailed it up to River Run. She'd been better off as Squab. No one would take Squab captive. Or Nan, or Weasel, or Ari, the orphan boy.

I was a wolf, she thought. Now I'm just some stupid little lady again. Will you ride back peaceful now? Or must I tie you up and throw you across your horse? I'll ride peaceful. For now. That is actually how that chapter ends. I didn't just

make that up. Yes. She will bide her time. You can take the girl out of the north, but you can't take the north out of the girl. You know what I mean? You can take the direwolf away from the girl, but you can't take the dire out of the girl you know what i mean you can't take you could take the dire wolf away from the girl but you can't take the dire wolf out of the girl actually apparently you really can't or you can't take the girl out of the dire wolf either apparently yeah hell i mean you were talking about how that passage is so tense and it's very when

she's in the woods running it could even be like a faceless men passage her running and hiding and fighting uh it's very wolfish right like that passage reads like it's from a wolf's pov for a minute there in the woods like like isn't it like we talked about with brand is she nemeria or is nemeria her sometimes the line becomes blurred i think i agree it does feel like it is absolutely within Nymeria's perspective, and kind of also what our friend Aura said when she came on for an episode, right? Like that Aria's...

Without even trying, she's just skin-changing. Oops, I warged. Oops, I warged again. Yeah, that's true. I'm in trouble. You wanna know... It's interesting that that's what you took from this passage like that your first thought was the wolfish you know not even that but like the the faceless men stuff with her because you know what i took from it this is gonna be some classic chloe

shit i just want you to know do you think that liana tried to run too and that one of the king's guard gave her the same speech oh interesting i don't know but i actually did like wonder like but i was like but who would she be running from but what you said also makes sense but also i was like maybe chloe's just influencing me what i wondered well the the liana's jumping. It's easy, especially when you have this last passage comparing her writing to her, which we've talked a little bit about throughout this book. But in At the Crossroads theory, Lady Gwynn, if you haven't read it, you should have. You should go read it right now before you listen to this. But the whole gist is that, you know, there was a reason that Rhaegar stole Lyanna away, and it was basically to keep her safe from his father, who was going to probably maybe send

people out to get her because she was the Knight of the Laughing Tree, and you know, kings have a problem with being mocked in front of like half their lord population or whatever. So that's the long story short, but I imagine liana had this very same chat with either arthur dane or gerald hightower i can imagine them telling her we're keeping you for your safety you know uh you shouldn't be out here in the riverlands wandering around where eris's men could get you he's already killed your dad and your brother well that didn't happen it was about to especially after that you know it could have been arthur dane or oswell went or gerald hightower here in the riverlands her riding away trying to escape and i imagine that there could have been a similar conversation in the princess pass right atop the tower of joy

that we're the hope for the nation don't you understand liana and now you're included in our little rebellion yeah i i really like that idea. I think it's absolutely possible. Even if it wasn't like they said, you know, he killed your brother and father because that hadn't happened yet, they could threaten him and be like, look at what he did in Duskendale. You know, he would do that to your family.

Which he does, but anyways. Does, yeah. Yeah. And you know, Arya's kind of trapped here almost like Jon is with the Free Folk, right? He wants to escape, but yeah. Because they're like not bad guys. The Free Folk, the Brotherhood, they're not bad guys.

They're good people doing good things, but they aren't letting either of them leave. Sansa, obviously, is also a hostage. In the last chapter, she finds herself thinking, oh, the Tyrells, maybe Margaery could be my new sister. And then, you know, that gets squashed when they all ignore her at her wedding to Tyrion. But are you stuck with the banners?

Well, Bray had also just escaped being a captive as well. That's very true. Yeah, that's very true. I don't know. Interesting. Very interesting. Yeah, that's very true. I don't know. Interesting. Very interesting. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, just like Jamie Lannister, Captain, no, I'm joking. Oh my god. Don't bring him into this.

I think what you said there is really interesting of how she's trapped in a way that is like Jon, but also I would say even especially like sanza right it's we talk a lot about the trappings of power and the way varies talks about it as being like the the affect of power when people believe that you are an important person based on all these symbols and now aria has those symbols but it's not just the trappings and visuals of power but going off the pun being a special person a noble is exactly why Arya is fucking trapped now. They're like, you're worth a lot of money. And when she's trying to escape, she gets stuck on the game trail because, I mean, there's kind of an irony there.

She was the game and she was the hunted instead of the hunter, right? She's being swift as a deer. But you know what? Unfortunately, deer fucking get hunted okay deer often yes often they are prey they are not considered predators i watched bambi and also look at what happened to the baratheons anyways coming back to aria's identity and hiding it like it's really coming through for me as we read this that Arya has actually never felt truly free as Arya Stark or Arya of Winterfell. Her

identity is being weaponized against her right now, and it's a name that has only ever been used to control her and to tell her what she should want as a lady. Yeah, I love what you've pointed out about her name always having been that right like even in winterfell she was supposed to be a lady that sewed that wore dresses uh when she goes you know to lady smallwood's keep in the next chapter because she's a lady she gets put in clothing she hates until the end of the chapter her name has been a fucking prison yeah when she was squab or whomever, she's like, I would have at least been free.

She could eat bugs on the ground and no one says anything then. That's all she wants. Let Arya eat bugs. Let Sansa finish her blunt and let Arya finish her bugs. Yes, she's like, hot pie, go cook these bugs into a bread for me.

Mmm, mash them and boil them and put them in a stew a weasel stew oh a weasel soup seasoned with bugs oh it'll be seasoned all right it'll be seasoned seasoned to date joking it ate all right it ate all right well did it okay in like four moments so this was a great chapter to read with you actually i'm very surprised like how much there is in this very very slim chapter there's a lot in here and of course next week is a big old chapter we'll go over with our friend karm this chapter uh has a lot has a lot on the road and at lady smallwoods and we'll we'll jump into it we'll dive into it get ready it will not be a shorty like this one it will not but keep up with

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