Going Deep with Chad and JT - EP 431 - THE BATTLE OF THE STATES

Episode Date: March 21, 2026

On today's episode the bros are coming in hot off a trip to WASHINGTON DC. Chad and JT talk about their tour of the capital and seeing history that is hundreds of years old. JT breaks down why modern verbiage may be the best we have ever had and how the internet has improved language across the board. We also talk march madness and make our picks for the first round of the "BATTLE OF THE STATES" bracket. LEAVE A COMMENT on why your state should be in the final four.  CHECK OUT OUR NEW YOUTUBE SERIES: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkxsXCzRgw0YnogF0Q-t8o0devtOBPQTZ We are live streaming a fully unedited version of the pod on Twitch, if you want to chat with us while we're recording, follow here: https://www.twitch.tv/chadandjtgodeep Grab some dank merch here:https://appreeshapparel.com/ Come see us on Tour! Get your tix - http://www.chadandjt.com TEXT OR CALL the hotline with your issue or question: 323-418-2019(Start with where you're from and name for best possible advice) Check out the reddit for some dank convo: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChadGoesDeep/ Thanks to our Sponsors: HIMS: The Best Hair Loss solutions for men. Go to https://www.hims.com/godeep and get started today with an online consult with a professional. MOMENTOUS: High Quality Supplements - get 35% off today - Go to https://www.livemomentous.com  And use promo code “godeep” at checkout. HomeChef: The Best Meal Kits! Go to https://www.homechef.com/godeep and get 50% off your first box + free dessert. PRODUCTION & EDITS BY: Jake Rohret

Let's hop in the juku and say what up and play with our nipples. What's going on? Stokers is Stoke Nation. This is Chad Kroger coming in with a going deep chat, JT podcast. I'm here with my compiljohn, Thomas. What up? Boom clap, Stokers. And we are live today on Friday. It's been a hot week locking in that.

I hope, you know. scorching, brother. I don't know about the rest of you guys out there, but... Do you like it or do you think it's too hot? Dude, I love the heat. Okay, right on. You know, I'm just locking in. in that tan.

Yeah, you look pretty good. I've been running outdoors. How much time you got in the sun? You could be more tan, I will say. I didn't mean to hurt. I didn't mean to hurt you. Dude, damn. I've been doing like, you know, 40-minute runs.

Right on. Shirtless, of course. How about you? I mean, you always have a good tan going. You think so? That's nice. No, I haven't gotten sun in a while. I want to get more sun, but it does make my pores bigger,

So it's kind of like which battle am I trying to fight? Like, do I want to be tan, which will make me look better, but might rob for me long term? Or do I want to attack the pores, but I'll miss the sun? And at least in the short term, I'm just on poor conflict. When did you realize it makes your pores bigger? Just as I was aging. I probably first started notice when I was like 33, 34. Oh, really?

When I was living over at Stanley. And then it just progressed more and more. Yeah. Because I've been getting a lot of sun my whole life. And I think there's benefits to it too I'm no doctor so I don't want to upset a dermatologist or a buff guy But I just yeah

It's just something that happens Well you dabbled in this last year I'm just curious Are you Are you gonna dip your toe back into being a spray tan guy? No No I didn't like the smell

And I think that's actually bad for your pores too Is I know they say it's non-comogenic But it fills in some stuff But your skin looks great And you get tons of sun. Oh, thanks. Yeah.

So I think everyone's different. Yeah. Yeah, it feels nice to get some bronze. But I do like, you know, I used to be pretty, I used to just not care. But I think as I get older, I do kind of think about, or maybe just because Kennedy's like, you need to not worry about. We were watching Love Story and one of the guys gets cancer and I was like, I'm worried about getting cancer. You are? I was like just from like vaping and stuff.

Sure. She's like, you should be worried about skin cancer. I was like, fuck. She's caring about you. Yeah. That's interesting.

Because you didn't have any health neuroses when we first met. So you think as you've aged a little bit, it's, uh, some concern has creeped in. Just with vaping. I mean, that's a good thing to worry about too.

Yeah. It is a demon. Yeah. Uh, that's the, that's the big one. And you say, this is one thing though.

Yeah. that I've noticed is you say you're happier when you're not vaping. Yeah. But you seem pretty happy when you are vaping, too. Oh, thanks. Well, I think I have a good exterior chill, even when my mind is just running loops. Right. Yeah, because I did buy us one in DC and when I said I was going to get it, I could tell you were jazzer-sized about it.

I mean, I love it. I get a huge dopamine squirt. Oh, I like squirt. Yeah, the dopamine squirt just... That's better than spray. Yeah, it just sprays a fat load. my brain. I'm like, yes. But then it is like, it's a push and pull, you know, like I, it's, that thing we talked about. You, you want to reward yourself with a vice sometimes when you're like,

especially when you're in high pressure situations or you're, you know, you work towards something and then you finish it and you're like, all right, I got to give myself a reward. That's when I love it the most. But then when I, if I end up doing it habitually, I'm like, what am I doing? Just vaping. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. And it's hard. to keep it under control. Yeah. It's a pernicious demon. And not, you know, in D.C., I asked someone in the crowd because I didn't want to have to leave

the venue to go find one. Yeah. I was like, does anyone, no one in D.C. was vaping. Right. Like, very rare for our crowd. There's normally 10 people in the audience who got it on hand and are ready to share. Yeah. Now, they might have been a little deterred because I'd already mentioned that I had herpes.

But. Right. But no one was, no one was vaping. They should have been scared of me. because I have oral herpes. Right. You know? But you didn't say anything

and I didn't know it you, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's your truth to share. Yeah, so if I hit your vape at a show, now you know. I think maybe it's D.C. Maybe it's like they're in the political arena and they're like,

maybe my, you know, constituents are here. They don't want to know I vape. It makes them blackmailable. Yeah. Which also sounds like transitioning. What's up? Do a black guy?

Would I vote someone, vote for someone who vapes? Yeah, I would. You know, I didn't vote for a long time. But yeah, I would vote for someone who vapes. Hell yeah. I'm Herb Wesson, the L.A. City Council guy. He smoked cigarettes like a chimney.

Yeah. I never voted for him, but, you know, we were friendly. Yeah. And you got really jazzed in D.C. You were fired up on patriotism. I know people came down on you for love in America. Oh, yeah, yeah. Put up a post, took it right down.

You know, people were like, this is the worst timing ever for a pro-America post i was like fuck man can i just be stoked on the country i was like yeah because you got there and you wanted to be jet you're like yeah i mean i love it you know you love the history you love the founding fathers i mean you know say what you want about what's going on right now but the constitution is sick um and uh we saw the capital and you love history you love royalty i love history it's glorious yeah you know i went to arlington so jf kaysgrave uh jacky kennedy um i love all that stuff i love just being around where stuff has happened.

Or you go to Lincoln Memorial. Lincoln's enormous. It's just cool to see, it's just cool to see a celebration of that. And tell them about the rifle guys. Oh, dude. Yeah, if you guys haven't been to Arlington, you got to see the Tomb of the Unknown.

The guys, the Sentinels, they're called Sentinels. They guard the tomb 24-7. they've been guarding it literally 24-7 same hours as a 7-11 since 1937 day night bar hurricanes they did it during 9-11 which the Pentagon was literally on five

Pentagon is in Arlington the Pentagon was like two miles away hit by a plane they were still guarding it these guys are absolute beasts you showed me the video the precision's in insane. Yeah, and they do that every hour. Okay, in the summer, it's like drumline. Every half hour. In the, uh, in the winter every hour. Um, it's a really, it's just like a really precise, beautiful military ceremony. Shout out to the old guard. Um, but you got pumped in the capital. I did. Yeah, dude. Well, you set it up, man. It was like one of the coolest things we've done on the road is

We got a like kind of really exclusive tour of the Capitol building. Damon, servicemen, keeps the Capitol safe. Great freaking guy. He showed us around and dude, it was amazing. It's so intricate. It's the interior design is ugly. I don't think it's conducive to good decision making. It feels old antique kind of ominous.

But I still love it. We went to the bottom. We got to do the little train trolley that they do back and forth between the Senate and the house. So cool. It was like a little push cart. It felt like something. It's crazy.

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, Jake, put that in the app. Because, yeah, you hear train. You think different, right? But you get on that super sick. And then I was like, where do they do the big decision making? He's like down in the basement. And this is ominous staircase going down.

I'm like, that, again, does not seem conducive to good decision making. Like no windows? The basement for me is where I go to jack off. Right. It's for more shameful behavior. for deciding health care subsidies. What do you think would be the most conducive place for decision making? I think when we looked up at where like Mike Johnson's office was, that felt right.

Like I think you should be able to look over the minor reflecting pool, see the little turnabouts that they got there. I just think you want to see people when you're deciding on their future. Yeah. When you're in a basement, it's like risk. You're not connected to any of it. And maybe that helps. But that was cool.

We got to see where, uh, where, uh, where, the Secret Serviceman shot Ashley Babette on January 6th. That was, and other people have been shot in there. Yeah, in 1998, two security guards were killed. You see the bullet holes in there. And then, and remember before that, like way back in the day, someone came in and shot the congressman on the stairs. Oh, yeah, you see the blood.

You can still see the blood. It's from like the 1800s. You see the blood stains on the stairs. I think they had already, what do you call it? they had already, um, not escaped. What's the word for getting like everybody out of a place? They'd already evacuated most to Congress people. But like when you see how close Ashley Babit was to the Congress floor, it's like feet.

It's like for me to Chad, like if they get into that hallway. It was pretty wild to put yourself back in that point of view. It was like 10, like a lot of senators or congresspeople were hiding, they're like 10 feet away, right? I don't know what the exact. distance was because I think when we were there on the day, it was, I thought they were in the room when it happened, but I think actually they were already evacuated. I don't know how far they were. They might have still been in the hall. Yeah. But regardless, you're like, yeah, it was pretty insane. It was pretty intense. Yeah. And then the guy who painted the rotunda, the original guy,

he fell off the scaffolding halfway through. Oh, yeah. That was, I don't mean to laugh. Very sad. Great job on the rotunda. Yeah, but they, yeah, the rotunda looked sick. I think from the outside because it's cast iron and it shines. It's beautiful. And we asked him who the most popular congressman was and he said the one that does MMA. So, you know, however you feel about life, if you know how to fight, that's always going to be sick. 100%. D.C., great place.

It's a great place. And then maybe we'll circle back, dude, love story. Are you enjoying it? Did you watch the newest episode? The bottle episode where they're fighting the whole time? Yeah. I watched parts. I did not like it.

You got a little claustrophobic? Yeah, I was just, I was looking at Kennedy. You know, I liked when they were courting each other and like, I mean, okay. It's a guy. It's a little more glamorous. They're like going to events. It's New York. Yeah.

I mean, and you pointed this out. Okay. I love, you, you mentioned her that. Like, I love royalty. I love the candies. I love that kind of like, just this. They're like our royal family. The mystique.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole, the lore behind them. You're like, what's it like being a candy? And your prince's like. Yeah, I like the, oh, thanks. I like, I like princes. I like, you know, kings are okay, but I like princes. That makes sense. I have a copy on that. And you pointed this out. The guy who's playing JFK Jr. is a terrible actor. He seems like a really nice guy, but some of those line deliveries, they're coming out real awkward.

It's like he didn't know the words before he read them. Yeah. I'll be like, you're punishing me for wanting to do things. Yeah. I'm like, dude, you guys are talking about getting divorced. Maybe put some umph in it. And also, he's JFK Jr. You got to have Riz.

And he's kind of, he's kind of a sad sack in it, which I do think JFK Jr. dealt with like, you know, huge expectations and I'm sure that weighed on him. But you don't really, he was supposed to be irresistible, and he doesn't seem irresist. Like the Bachelor of All Bachelors. Yeah, exactly. Like every chick wanted him.

And I'm like, I'm not really getting that. And then you know, know the other super handsome guy in it who plays her first boyfriend who's like the Calvin Klein model. Yeah. Or Tommy Hilfair, whichever one it is. He's good. Yeah. I think he could have been JFK Jr. Because when he's on there, there's a little bit of ja and she comes alive a bit. And you're like, oh, I want to watch this. I'm smiling. Yeah. And I don't get that same thing when it's Mr. Kelly. But God bless me. He seems like a nice guy. I've seen him in interviews. Seems like a great guy. But yeah, nice dude. And do chicks online think he's crushing it. Oh, really?

comments are like he's perfect this is the most amazing thing ever really and i'm like is it just a halo effect because he's handsome like is this like uh could be but good for him yeah god bless him i i have no ill-wold towards the guy um but yeah i i i i have not like the i like the wedding episode i thought that was pretty cool um but this last one the other bottle episode i was like i i like uh i i don't like seeing it was it is i i would say you know you know i i i would say you know It's good, good episode probably, but I don't, I didn't enjoy it. I thought the dialogue was good, but roughly delivered. But I hear you don't want to watch a couple just fight the whole time.

No. And you want, I don't know. They're being mean to each other. He's like, you like, you like that the paparazzi follows you because it allows you to hold it against me. Yeah. And make me the bad guy. Yeah. And dude.

And one interesting part was to watch, like, that they, um, Princess Diana died. in the episode. And then going through that because there's so many parallels to what they're dealing with the paparazzi and then Lady Die. And then he's so affected by it because it reminds him of his dad. That is good.

And I didn't see that part, but it makes sense because my wife started watching Princess Die stuff after that episode. Yeah. And I was like, why are we doing this? But that makes sense now. Yeah. Do you remember that when she died? Yeah, it was huge. I was in third or fourth grade and I remember it was all anyone talked about.

I mean, Mother Teresa died and she got like no press because she just got swallowed up by die. Yeah. I remember that funeral. I remember watching that with my mom. And the circumstances were so wild. Yeah. So sad.

Yeah. The Elton John song was everywhere. Seems to me you lived your life like a candle in the wind. Did you write that for her? I thought so, but I don't think so. I think it just got repurposed because it fit. Yeah. What did you think of the Oscars?

Brutal watch. It felt like the room was just dead, right? Dead. I mean, Evans and Downey Jr. just clunk. Yeah. I was like, get these fucking guys off my TV. I kind of like both of them, too. I thought Conan did a good job, but he was kind of sweating through it.

Yeah. Not as good as last year. No, he was crushing last year. It didn't feel as, we're kind of circling back to this theme. They used to feel a lot more majestic. Yeah. And I'd watch footage of like 90s, like walking the red carpet. That's like a big TikTok trend right now.

Yeah. And it just feels more glorious. Yeah. And it felt a little small. It felt kind of disconnected from reality. I thought there was good movies this year. I was kind of annoyed by all the dialogue around one battle after another. What do you mean?

Well, so like conservative people are like, it's obsessed with race. It's an MSNBC fever dream. Anything that, you know, foments violence against America or that, you know, makes white guys the arch nemesis of society. They'll always give that the best picture, Oscar. And I'm like, all right. But then left liberal people were like, it's actually racially regressive. She betrays the movement, which isn't true to the Black Panther or the weatherman

that inspired it. It's not historically right. She's attracted to her oppressor. What is that? That's such a white man perversion. And then we lose track of her and we just focus on this white guy who's a complete bumbling incompetent. And I'm like, y'all just need to chill.

a little bit. I'm like, it was a good movie. Yeah. He's a great filmmaker. It's more personal than historical for him. Yeah. And the characters are complicated. Yeah, she wasn't a perfect chick.

But when I see Tiana Taylor being amazing in that movie, I don't think less of African Americans with their movements. I'm blown away by her talent, which is a good thing. It's connecting to the world. Yeah. And even a dude I'm a fan of, he wrote like on Instagram. And so I messaged him, I was like, why do you feel this way? And we started, he's like, why do you not agree?

I was like, you go first. And then we started talking about it. Yeah. And he made great points. He's like a very smart guy. And I was like, look, man, I think you know more about history than PTA does. His characters have bigids and they do stuff that doesn't make sense. They're just all weirdos.

Yeah. And we went back and forth and then he said, we probably debated it for like 20 minutes. And then at the end he goes, it was a really entertaining movie though. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, okay. Yeah. So you could see that. And then some people were mad.

They thought it was like racist that sinners didn't win. I'm like, I don't know about that. That's so annoying. It's so annoying. And sinners was great. Yeah. And it did win a bunch of Oscars. Yeah.

But like. No one in the academy is like voting being like, I like, just with the academy, it's probably such a liberal group. Anyways, no one's going in there being like, you know, well, you know, I got to vote for the, the, the, you know, I got to vote for the, the, whiter movie. Yeah. Like there's,

there's, there's, I, I can't, I, I would doubt, I, I would doubt,

any of the voters have that in their mind. I think they think because like, Green Book one or Crash one that like old white liberal men think they're being progressive, but they're actually being regressive. Right.

But I would also say like, I, I, those movies weren't the best. I don't think they were like bad for the world or whatever. I think that's a little too much. But like, I also don't think one battle after another is those movies.

One battle after another, like, was, awesome. It's awesome. It's so fun. And there's stuff I didn't think worked great, but like, it was a unique, cool thrill ride of a movie. Yeah, and you're watching it. It's so creative. And the characters are, the characters are incredible. Yeah, I agree. Leo, Benicio. The performances were insane. Yeah. They were so good. I think Leo should have won best actor. That's what I was about to say. Yeah, I was like, I was pulling for Leo. He should have won. I haven't seen Marty

Supreme, but, you know, and I love Michael B. Jordan, but that didn't feel like an Oscar performance to though. No. He was great in it. But I think he's done other movies where I was like, oh yeah, he could win an Oscar for that. Yeah. Like Fruitvale or something.

I was stoked for him. Everyone seemed really hype for him. How do you feel about Shalamay these days? Everyone just needs to back off, dude. He's the fucking man. Shalema's the shit. I haven't seen him say anything that was bad. Nobody knows about ballet and opera.

Those are facts. I think it's just a classic. he rose up to such heights and people were looking for any excuse to tear him down. You know what I've seen too. A gay guy pointed this out. People are mad he's not as cute as he used to be. Right, he's not as femme. Right.

He says like he can't like play the twink guy anymore. Yeah. But he's also not like a macho guy. He's kind of in between casting right now. Oh, interesting. And that just upsets us on some deep primal level. Yeah. A lot of people didn't like the stash.

And they say look like the one backstreet boy. He was on it. He was pitching a perfect game. It was bound to end. Yeah. He does look like a backstreet boy. I like the backstreet boy. I watch their clips all the time.

Do you think his ego has gotten out of control? I don't know the guy. Maybe. I'll tell you what. He kind of deserves it. Yeah. He should have a big fucking ego. Yeah.

Also, dude, I listen to Chloe Zalb, the Hamnet, director on a podcast. She's insufferable. She's so up her butt. She's like, I was out in the forest with Paul. He is a raging minotaur of a man. He look into his eyes and he pretends to be a poet, but there's clearly a zodiac bear wrestling with a tornado that wants to scratch at the surface of what's uncomfortable.

And I picked a dandelion in it. It was taken by the wind, but it didn't fly south, which is unconvary. And I'm like, what the fuck are you? But then I see the movie. Yeah. And the movie's incredible. And I'm like, good, be crazy. Be up your butt.

Like, as long as you're channeling it and you're working with Chalameh, I'm like, dude, the work is amazing. So whatever you're doing, like, don't go full Kanye on it. That was too much. I was, I was a big supporter of Connie than at a certain point. I was like, dude, the music's not as good. And you're just like being way too awful. Yeah.

Like, it's just, it's too far. But for the most part, I like when artists are kind of out there. I think it's better for art. Yeah, totally. What do you think? About Salome? Yeah, do you think his egos out of control? I think a lot of the Marty Supreme promotion, I think that was, he was putting on an act.

I think that was all intentional. And the highest grossing movie, I think in A24 history or something. Is it really? Yeah, I mean, it worked. Oh, what was I going to say? So, you know, I think he, and I think you, I think that, like, he intentionally boosted his ego for that for marketing purposes. I think that's right.

Yeah, I didn't think like, I didn't think, I didn't think, like, the Zoom sketch for the promotion, do you see that where, like the Schwab? Like, that was so clearly a bit. So, you know, for people to take that literally, I think he's just stupid. I understand where he's coming from with the ballet comments. He's just saying he doesn't want movies to become, you know, not as popular or obsolete or like not that ballet is obsolete but just like it's just kind of like a dying art form we don't talk about it at the water cooler yeah yeah like culture movies were

the center of culture in the 90s and 2000s um and I understand where he's coming I think a lot of people feel that way I think you know people just took what he said and and ran with it and you're like all right chill um you know what dude they've been trying to kind of take him down for a while I did a man on the street bit, but I ended up not releasing it, but just because I wanted to release it at the Oscars and it became just not relevant. But there was an article that came out from like a black journalist that was saying he was like basically using black culture to like get big and to promote the movie. And then once he got to Oscar season, he started whiting it up again. And he like treated out the Timbalins for like, I don't know, like Hokas or whatever white shoes are.

And I was like, when I saw that article, I was like, oh, people are starting to get sick of Shalama and they kind of want to like find ways to ding him. Yeah. But I agree with you. I think it was, I think you nailed it. Like he was performing the character off camera to draw up interest for the movie. Yeah, totally. And then maybe sometimes when you do that, you do kind of, you know, you are what you

pretend to be a little bit. Yeah. But I don't know. Overall, I think he's. I think him dating Kylie too. People, people are going to, um, people are going to have opinions about that. And I even had some opinions around. I'm like, is he, is this the Kardashian curse?

Like, is he like? Yeah. But, uh, I think, I think, it's got to warp you a little bit to be in that. In that circle. Yeah. And to see the world from that vantage point. Yeah. But I don't know.

Dune 3 trailer came out. Shit looks amazing. Yeah. He is Paul La Trades. He's a son al-Gaib. And I was listening to the Ringer podcast, uh, the movie one. I forget the name. Um, rewatchables?

Not rewatchables. Big picture. And, um, they're talking about how, like Paul Thomas Anderson and stuff. Like all these great actors, directors and stuff, a lot of times the academy will withhold the award from them until, you know, they're in their 40s, 50s. Like, they kind of have to earn it. And I think, uh, I think maybe Shalema feels a little bit too Oscar hungry where he, he's just too thirsty for it.

Like he wants it. Yeah. And he's like, yeah. said it. He's like, I want to be one of the grades. I want to win. Yeah. And then Michael B. Jordan, he gives off more of a vibe of like him and Coogler, like their collaboration is really amazing and sweet. And he wasn't really gunning for the Oscar. He was just kind of like, he's like, oh shit, I want. Yeah. And I think that's just inherently more likable. He is very, I mean, they're all likable. Yeah. But I think, I, you know, shall me at least. I guess that's wrong to say.

I guess a lot of them aren't likable. I like him. But Sha'amay, I'm confident he will get the award. I think he has a great future. You know, I think every celebrity goes through something like this. You're just offering support. How nice is that? Yeah, Shalmay, if you're watching.

Everyone just wants to go on there and just lamb-based people. Yeah. But you fucked up. You're a fucking bitch. Fuck you. Yeah. I'm not throwing tomatoes at the guy in the same. stocks.

No. Especially when he's given me freaking Dune 3. Dude, I mean, the king? It's amazing. I watched the speech of the other day. Make it mass.

Make it tissue. Make it England. Yeah. So good. He's amazing in that. Yeah. So good. What a gift.

I mean, Complete Unknown. He should have won for complete unknown. He should have won 100%. That was such, I mean, and Adrian Brody, I will say this, douche. Yes, I'll trash him. I'm with you right there, brother.

And he's trying to, he was trying to, like, poke fun at his duchiness and, like, his, his, his, present, his, when he's presenting the award, he's like, here's the gum. I'm like, you're not funny, dude. Go fuck yourself. That was terrible. Yeah. His speech wasn't good. He should have gone out there to me, look, I'm a huge boner. You guys all know it.

I know it. I literally look like a boner. Here's the award. Well said. That would be. That would be really good. I think you scripted it right. That would make me like him.

You found the way for him to be likable. Yeah. The Bridesmaids bit, I did love. What was that? When the Bridesmaids cast was all together, did you see them? No. They like, uh, they read, like, notes that, like, people in the crowd wrote for them. And one was about, like, Rose Byrne was like, Leonardo de Caprio.

He was like, it was like, please stop staring at me. It's making me uncomfortable. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Signed Leo DiCaprio. And it just goes to Leo and he goes, It's really like their reactions really made it I thought they were great guys sorry to interrupt I got to tell you about our sponsor

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and come together in this big social marketplace and the stuff that we've got now like when I read comments or I read the way things are described I'm like this is fucking incredible like dude aura farming amazing when a guy's just being badass in a video and they're like and or when someone like you know swings at someone in a fight

and they miss and they land in like a pool of piss and then like a clown laughs at them and they go generational or a debt I haven't heard that one dude oradette I'm like this is amazing and even like you know the stuff that clavicular is thrown down

Jestermax Jester max and cortisol spike like dude major cortisol spike I'm like that is so good the cortisol spike is amazing it's amazing and like when I was in high school we had some good language you know but it wasn't as

it wasn't as dialed in as it is now. Yeah. Like all the things people got just matches the thing so well. Yeah. And I'm so grateful because I'm just like having a giggle fest over at my place. Ascending. Brain rot. Ascending.

Ascending. I'm just trying to ascend. It's all stuff that I thought about all the time. And we just didn't have the vocab for it. Yeah. And people have just really lasered in. it's the best time to be alive for that jester maxing so funny or a farming crash out is great onk is good i'm not huge on cooked or glazed but god bless them oh standing ten toes down i haven't heard that

that's just when you're like a you know when you when a that's like standing on business but i prefer standing ten toes down but they're both phenomenal unc is incredible uh oh yeah Gooning. How good is gooning for what masturbating is? Yeah. We never had something that good for Gooning. Yeah. Just jacking off. It is gooning. It's so good. Yeah. Yeah. Now that we're all on communication, you know, it's created just a nice cauldron to stew up some good words. And it works. The system works for it. It really, you get rid of the chafe and you're like, the stuff that's working, it deserves to work. Riz is fantastic. Riz was amazing.

I think it's really peaked. It's really peaked in these last couple months from. Like, it's just really come together beautifully. When clavicular got frame-mogged. Incredible. Huge moment. My brother texted me about that. He's like, do you see clavicular got frame-mogged?

I was like, oh, my God. That's how good the language is. It's transcended to, like, age groups beyond it. Like, most of the time when, like, I'm older, when we hear younger people shit, we're like, oh, that's whack. Like, our ears can't understand it. It's like Buller Express. Yeah.

But this stuff right now is so good. It's hitting with us. It's hitting with my dad. My dad's, oh, my dad's like, bro, I was gestremaxing to like a core lord

the other day. And then I came home and just did a massive goon session. Wow. Yeah. But my dad thinks when he does stuff like that that he's magging you. So it's like kind of crazy.

Your dad, he's good at mocking. He's a mauger for sure. Yeah. Not to glaze. But, uh, because like if he gets in my face,

I'll stay in all business. But dude, he's a generational or a farmer. There's not, and he talks like that now. Yeah, a generational or a farmer. You know, you could even go so far as to say he invented frame monging. Oh, for sure, dude. Yeah. He changed the frame just to mug it.

Yeah. I love Unk. I need to start using Unk more. Okay, Unk. Motion making money showing property moving smart, hilarious. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. Motion Twain, you said? Anytime a white guy does something cool, too,

like people try to hate on them and they go god forbid a white boy have a little motion oh yeah yeah Jake do you know what six seven is I still don't get it yeah it's like either or it's like six seven it's kind of like oh okay yeah and it's supposed to be hard to interpret right because it's like if you're trying to understand it then you're kind of out of the cool loop yeah exactly I don't know I had this little kid who was like three years old say it to me the other day I was like I don't know if you are using it in the right way he might get it more than I get it. Yeah, I think it's just like a term that like it's funny. It's generational too. Yeah.

It's like you're either in it or you're outside of it. There's not really a way to, you know, to get through the lasers. Oh, side quest is fun. Side quest is good. They'll always do that like, you know, if like Charlie Sheen is like playing baseball in South Korea, they're like he's accomplishing all the side quests. It's good for like famous people random behavior. Hilaries.

Yeah. Yeah. Very great. very grateful for all of it. I do have a take that I would like to put on this podcast. Yeah, lay it down, bro. I am anti-clivicular. Oh, nice.

Yeah, I think he's an intelligence agency, sorry. Oh, you think he's a Fed? Yeah, I think he's a Fed. This is a very normal comment. You think he's a Fed? Yeah, I think so. I mean, he kind of popped up out of nowhere and also, like, the stuff that he's like saying is, I don't know.

It's like very anti-woman. It's very, like, massive. masculine like fuck this like the other day he was in a bar right and he was like picking on this chick like really making fun of her right so she slapped him and then he turned around to his bodyguards and was like arrest this chick and they dragged her out of the bar and I'm like bro you're literally just like instigating people in public and then when you get feedback back you just like play this like egotistical like I'm magging you fuck you Jake I like what you're saying here yeah I don't know the misogyny is crazy right now yeah it's kind of on the rise

crazy oh it's huge and like dudes are so mad if like a girl like acts uh like uh what's the word i don't want to say slutty what's like the nicer word for slutty periscuous yeah bang um yeah if a girl does that shit guys are like this is someone's mother this is someone's sister someone's daughter by the way i'm like bro why are you so obsessed dog yeah it's just intimidating we did a video with the pretty girl. And she was talking about being into guys. And I felt a spike of like intimidation where I was like, where do I fit into this?

You know what I mean? But you can't let that control you, bro. Like it's good. It's good. It's all positive. It's just the isolation too. Yeah. It's just like when you're when you're not mingling with women,

it's so easy to just put this idea of who they, you know, to just hate them. Weird. It is not helpful. It is weird. So Jake, you say he's a fed. What, what, and, and he's stirring up misogyny? Why, why do you think?

Well, I just think like, uh, there's a lot of like, quote unquote brain rot that you guys talked about earlier that's like, yeah, sort of mind control where it's just like people watch these streams for like eight hours and it's all bullshit of like guys like saying dumb shit. Like, uh, you know, I'm all for like masculine men and I like, you know, looking ripped and jacked. But then like, you also have to be a gentleman. Like you're not just like going out into random.

places. Jake, I love what I'm hearing. You're like, fuck you, bro. And like, even to like a bouncer who was a dick to me, I would just be like, all right, man, whatever, you know? Like, you don't need to just always be frame-mogging and like fucking, yeah. Yeah.

Putting on a front that you're just badass. This anti-social behavior that they've romanticized is somehow alpha or outside the system. Yeah. It turns into just more trolling online and being like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you know. And so do you think it's a way to control the population? Yeah. I think it's more just like generational.

Like there's like spokespeople, right? That like come out of nowhere and just like have these not like agendas, but they're definitely pushing some sort of narrative. And then you see that generation. Like in, for example, in my generation, like live streaming and gaming was like it blew up in my generation, right? And now I look at these guys as like legends. But really they're just dweeps.

Like they're just fucking guys who sit inside on computers all day. Jake. Whoa. this is a big come up for you dog yeah I don't know I just I really realized it when you guys were talking with Sam Morrison about clavicular and he was like yeah bro frame mugging fuck yeah and I'm like

frame logging's dumb to me brother I don't think you're wrong maybe I'm just getting a little bit older out of yeah amen that's cool you know and I sometimes I wonder like is it a Fed or is it that this algorithm we've created rewards that outlandish behavior and then if you're someone who makes

content, it reshapes your own brain because you're like, oh, this is what works. So you become more of what works. Yeah. And then you end up, and it's like a mutually reinforcing system. It's like a feedback loop. So you become more of that thing, which in turn makes your audience more of that. And then it just keeps feeding back and forth. Yeah, I think, I guess maybe Fed's not the right word. Like he might not be working for the government. But I think like, uh, yeah, because people were saying is with Peter Thiel, but I think that was very tenuous. I don't think that was pushing him out. He had crazy exposure for like the dumbest shit ever in my opinion. It just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

And he was like, yeah, I got ripped because I did meth. When have you ever heard someone get famous because they did meth? Like that wasn't cool ever. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. No, yeah, it's interesting. It is like, it's kind of like the algorithm.

It's like the new Hollywood. It's like they can, you know, make someone a, I don't want to call clavicular star, but like. He is. He's huge. He's like the most famous guy on. world right now. Yeah, like, you know, it's the, we think it's, uh, we think it's kind of open and and free and it's more merit-based, but these, the tech lords have there. Yeah, the algorithms the gatekeeper. Yeah. We think it's like anyone can do it and anyone can do it to an extent.

And that's great. It's good that it's not just like, you know, localized to here anymore, but it's still, they're telling us who to be to an extent. Yeah. The last thing I'll say on it is, the one thing that really kind of tipped it off for me was like he just leaves all the interviews he goes to and like creates this like you know controversy of like a dramatic moment yeah like I was on the show they were they were nasty to me so I said fuck him and left and I'm the better person now and it's like he's doing that to Pierce Morgan he's done that to Andrew Callahan yeah Andrew Callahan he's done that to just like so many random people that like actual like media thinks he's just a crazy person but in reality it's probably just a front that he's

he's like, but you know what? I think those guys know too. I think that's what's... Yeah, they're like playing into it. Pierce Morgan, like he just had HG on the guy from the, who I saw in the Louis Thoreau documentary, which I think had the same problem. Are you talking about HS? H.S.

Sorry. They're all kind of, even if you're calling them out on TV, you're helping them because you're showing them to more people and giving them a viral moment. And it's also cynically helping you, too, where it's like, yeah, it's, it's, um... Like, even that guy. I didn't take it all in good faith. Like the Louis the Road doc, I wasn't like, oh, man, he's really, like, those guys were the same on his thing as they are anywhere else.

It wasn't like pulling the lid back on anything to me. Yeah, but like HS, right? The guy you used, he got famous for just beating someone's ass on a live stream in the middle of a street in my name. Bro, these guys. It's like, bro, I don't know like how these people are just becoming stars to like a younger generation. Maybe I'm just too old.

Jake, I like what you're saying. It's, it's, uh, it's, it's warm. my soul. Yeah, it was. Jake, it's really awesome, man. God bless you. Yeah, I don't really have too strong a takes on much, but that one, I'm not a big fan of the guy. Brother, if you're standing up for maturity and chivalry, go off, King. Yeah. Come on, we need it. Dude, you're standing on business right now. You're standing ten toes down, brother. Dude, yeah. I'm going to glaze the shit out of you.

All these people are algo-go-go-go-go-go-go-go-guning, and you're just like, dude, get out there and touch grass. Yeah, when Jake was talking out, I was like, go off. Unk? Let's go. There is like a good guideline too. Like obviously like some of the stuff you guys put out is obviously joking and like making fun of stuff right? And like some people tell it.

Try to. Can tell it's a joke. Some people are like are these guys idiots. Right. But like with these guys, I don't think it's a joke. I literally think they're just like putting on this crazy fucking. No, I mean that's like what JT brought this up with like liver king. It's like you kind of have to become this crazy person to to pierce through.

and but then you're you're sort of like with like clavicular you're like what's the end game here with liver king it obviously hasn't gone well um no no he's going I haven't checked it in a minute but yeah I was just thinking about maybe I'll pull him up see what yeah I even feel bad for him a little bit I guess because he just seems like he's falling on such tough times Also, like, these guys, this is something that bothers me to. No, never mind. Yeah, L.K. He's gone through it.

Do we feel like we're influenced by the algorithm in our content? I felt that way recently since I started doing the man on the street bits a little bit. Because, like, you know, if one goes off, you're like, oh, maybe I got to stay in this lane. But I try to be, like, very thoughtful about it. I asked Chigis when we were shooting. I was like, do you think like I'm the algorithm's bitch? And he's like, no, you seem like the same. And I'm like, all right, keep telling me, dog.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You definitely have to think about it, right? Because you'll see people who like, you know, they'll put up one post being like, yeah, I'm thinking about becoming Christian. And then that goes crazy. And then I'm like, well, I probably should become Christian. Yeah. Because the, the audience likes that.

Yeah. And that's a weird place to be. I do think that's something to. be mindful of for sure. Well, you see it with comedians all the time, especially if they go in like a, I just think of one guy, you know, going in a political direction and then just,

and then just, you know, he, it's the same message every day. Yeah. And he's becoming more and more of that guy. And, I mean, it's worked for him. 100%. But, uh,

yeah, you know. But is it real? Yeah, you kind of, you're always kind of questioning it. Yeah, then you're like, oh, and I don't want to lose this audience I've gotten. Whereas like the coolest thing about like, like Bill Burson said about George Carlin is like basically every new special. Yeah. He like, in a funny way, which is the key, but he intentionally alienated like 20% of his audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Dude, should we do this state draft? So this is Jake's idea. Jake, do you want to set this up? Yeah. I made this bracket for, basically for March Madness. So we're doing the Battle of the States. Each of the states burst each of each other in why you would pick them. Yeah.

It could be any reason. It could be something as like you had a good time there or like you know somebody from there or anything like that. Or they were good in the Civil War, whatever, anything. And we can just quickly kind of pick our one or pick the winner and go by round. If you guys only want to do a round, that's fine too. Yeah, let's get after it. Let's do it.

All right, perfect. So in the first round, Massachusetts, Massachusetts versus Rhode Island. Neighbors. Neighbors. I got to say Rhode Island is beautiful. It's got Newport. Have you been in Newport? I'm going for the first time.

Oh, that big trip I'm taking. You're going to love it. It's cool. It's awesome. I saw it in eighth grade, so my memory is a little fuzzy, but when I was there, I was like, this place is sick. Let's go. But, I mean, Massachusetts, let's talk Massachusetts.

It's got Boston, a fantastic American city, beautiful, lobster rolls, great culture, great accent. So many good movies are based there, arguably some of the best. Very wooded? Very wooded. Cape Cod. I love Cape Cod. It's got great coastline.

You've been to Cape Cod, right? Well, yeah, we did a summer there. You did a summer there? Yeah. It sounds amazing. It was fun. Is, uh, what's the, um... So the horse flies were huge, though.

Dude, that is something about these days. They were chewing our buddy Scotty up. Oh, for real? Yeah, I remember he was smacking him on this boat. We were out to be, oh, Jesus, he's a big guy, too. Yeah, yeah. My brother looked at his, his legs were just trickled in blood. That sounds brutal.

Yeah. What's the other place that out of Nantucket? Is Nantucket in Massachusetts? I think so. I just went there too. Yeah, it is. Nilenda Massachusetts. Nantucket's really beautiful.

I would say landing in Nantucket is one of the best landing visual experiences in the continental U.S. Oh, that sounds awesome. It's beautiful. I guess it's not continental. Never mind. That was the wrong phrase. Dude, cut all that. Leave it in actually.

But, you know, sorry, guys. I'll lock in. Yeah, Massachusetts. It also has Salem. Best Halloween in the country. Best Halloween. Witches. It's got witches.

What else does Massachusetts have? Good colleges. I mean, Rhode Island has good college. I think Rhode Island has brown, maybe. Yeah, not to get too, like, basic, but you got the Celtics. You got the Patriots. Oh, yeah. You got the Red Sox.

I mean, three of the most. And the Bruins, sorry guys. Four of the most iconic franchises in sports. Rhode Island, you know, is Providence. Petown. I kind of, I think, you know, I think we, in the departed, we see kind of Massachusetts versus Rhode Island. It's like Massachusetts is Jack Nicholson. And Rhode Island is just these guys from Providence that just get killed.

They didn't win the war. So Don Winslow's got some books on it City on Fire Same idea I think oh it's got sailing too Good sailing Boat Shoes Uh Harvard

Harvard MIT I mean I don't know about you But I think this one's kind of a no-brainer Yeah And part of it's my lack of knowledge But there's a reason for that lack of knowledge It's that mass

has more mass. Massachusetts. And then we got, so up next, we got, uh, Jersey and Delaware. Ooh. Delaware, first date. Sick. Jersey, it's got the Sopranos.

And we've been to Delaware. We've been to Delaware. They party hard. The kids at the university flew us out to help protect house parties. They party hard. They were like in. cars on fire. He got Joe Biden.

You got Big Joe B. They have the Waynesworld bit. Hi. I'm in Delaware. Yeah, that bit doesn't Bode well. We're going to alienate a lot of people with this one. Yeah.

Yeah, that bit doesn't bode well for Delaware. My dad's from Jersey, too. So I got a lot of love for Jersey. Jersey tomatoes. Jersey pizza is really good. Although, probably Connecticut's good Pizza.

The shore's amazing. Oh, the shore's amazing. Good culture. Yeah, iconic culture too. Yeah. Accent. Like the Jersey Guido, Jersey Shore types. It's legendary.

Good tan. And they do stick out more than almost, in like a fun way, like more than almost any other type in America. It's got good surfing, too. Oh, yeah. Atlantic City. It's okay. Yeah, we went out there, we did a gig out there a couple of years ago.

And look, we were tired as well. You knew you're traveling a lot. But I don't think either of us looked at each other and said, Can't wait to come back. Yeah. It's got Springsteen, Bon Jovi, Whitney Houston, Frank Sinatra. That's incredible. Oh, it's the diner capital of the world.

Wow. It has the highest concentration of diners worldwide. I mean, that's incredible. Crossroads of the American Revolution hosted over 600 battles. It has Princeton. Pretiest campus ever. For me, a clear winner is New Jersey here, just based off of the culture. Yeah.

Yeah, a lot of good bands from Jersey, like even more recent ones. Yeah, lock in New Jersey, Jake. My Chemical Roman. Manse, Jersey. Saves the day. The next one is Connecticut versus Maine. So it's all, oh, so it's really by region, too. I'm just figuring this out now.

Like, it's the Northeast against the Northeast. I'm going to go Connecticut. I've been to Connecticut. It's gorgeous. My lady's from Westport. What a great town. I got boys who live in Greenwich. Beautiful town.

We went out to New Haven to do the pizza. Sal's unbelievable tomato sauce. just really some of the best pizza I've ever had and a lot of cemeteries I like that more people have died out there it's got Yale it's got Yale Yale Yale's pretty

it's tough to look inside of it's pretty sheet guarded from like the like from street visibility really yeah Connecticut Mystic Pizza yep good coastline I would say

say? The sound? Sound. Love going out there. What else? Connecticut. Good foliage. Oh, it's beautifully wooded. I mean, Maine, I've never been to Maine, but Maine has good lobster. Maine has Stephen King.

A lot of islands, right, that you can get out on? Yeah. Maine might actually have better foliage. Oh, yeah. Wow, look at that. This is a great point by Jay Bowner. Connecticut has a lot of rich people. I was shy about that

but he makes a good point rich people equals hot milfs that's huge yeah and I went to the equinox in Westport and it's true that's cool the Bobos

Maine produces 90% of the nation's lobster supply 99% of its blueberries wow I didn't know that it's also famous for whoopee pies I don't know what that is moxy soda and red snapper hot dogs don't know what those are

so nice Maine. People who go to Maine love it. Brad Fuller goes to Maine. Right. He travels well that man. I think Connecticut

preppy he's got preppy style. It kind of invented the popped collar, I feel like. Yeah, it's pretty iconic. Lacrosse is huge. I mean, I think I do think a little bit more

a lot of this will come down to like cultural significance and I do think Connecticut is a little more well known, like what the type is across the country. I just found out that Connecticut is known for the invention of frisbees and whiffleball. So I am 100% Connecticut. Amazing. Amazing contributions to just recreation.

I will say this. This is a big ding against Connecticut. And it's something I get on my friends who live there about. this hurts Connecticut a lot. You can't say you're from New York if you live in Connecticut. Right. A lot of them do that. Right.

I live in New York City, but they really live in Greenwich. Yeah. They'll be like, yeah, I'm a New Yorker. I'm like, where do you live there? Like Connecticut. I'm like, you see the issue. And it's like an hour long train ride in, right? Yeah.

Yeah. No, get out of here. And they'll say it with like full confidence. They'll be like, no, but I'm a New Yorker. I'm like, no. Then why don't you live in New York? Yeah. Because that would seem to be the determining factor.

That's like us saying we live in San Diego. Exactly. Or if you live in Orange County, you're like, I'm from L.A. It's like, no, they're very different, brother. Yeah. Well, Skeldl. Yeah, go ahead. Skeldlong just said, we're feds.

Jake, what do you think about that? He said it because California propaganda, and I am very pro-California. That's why I live here. God bless you, Jake. I love what you're throwing down, brother. I've also traveled quite a bit of the country with you guys. I traveled quite a bit when I was a kid, and I can say that California is definitely top five, in my opinion.

I'll leave it at that, top five. Fuck, yeah, dude. Sick. Do you think it's, like, Chad, are you a Fed? I don't think so. But I do report to a guy. What? Who?

Who? Who? Who? I just got Frank. How do you know Frank? what does he ask you? He's just like, what did you do this week? Do you have any info?

He asks about Kevin a lot. He's like, do you have any info on Kevin? You're talking about your AA sponsor? Oh, yeah. That's totally different. Oh, it is? Yeah, he's just making sure you're okay. Oh, I thought Fed was like, meant you were an alcoholic.

I don't think they have to be the same thing. Oh, okay. Damn. Are you fed? Me? I worry about it. I worry they didn't even need to ask me to join. I'm worried I'm so biased and propagandized.

I'm just full, man, sure. Like sometimes I'll spit a message and I'm like, if that's helping the ruling class, did they just federalize me? Probably. I mean, you could be. But without a paycheck? I mean, you could, you know, you've done acid, right?

Yep. How do you know it wasn't CIA issued? So that's why I think the housing issue in LA is more a supply issue than a private equity one? Yeah. And that acid was powerful. That happened after your acid trip, right? Yeah, that's what I flipped. Because your whole thing was like you wanted to take down black rock.

Yeah. Then you did acid and you're like, no, we just need to boost supply and upzone. I changed my whole game after that Dude one thing I will say Blackstone and Black Rock It's confusing Yeah which one is it I think Blackstone

is the one that's heavier In buying up single family homes What's Black Rock doing? Similar stuff Oh it makes grills Blackstone makes grills Yeah Blackstone makes grills Yeah, Blackstone buys and owns way more homes than Black Rock.

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Yeah, it's kind of a lot. I don't really see... I don't look at that and say I want to... Show off my nipples like that. You know what I mean? No. No, I don't either. What if we get the Oscars?

Would you... And you... And like Gucci came along. It was like, we want to supply your outfit. And then they give you that. would you wear it? No, dude, I'm freaking the fuck out even just thinking about that. You get the fuck off me, dude.

We're fucking blue jeans. Blazer. Dude, if you just showed to the Oscars and that. And you're like, people like, what are you doing? Yeah. If I could, I would. If I looked like, uh, some people,

I might dress like gayer but you have to be pretty beautiful to pull that off I just think I look better in simple attire would you wear it? It'd be pretty cool to wear Hokas

to the Oscars. I'd wear hokas, blue jeans nice sport coat that's very director like yeah I like the way directors dress like a North Face jacket you know yeah that would be hilarious

do this a lot like line up shots it was a great award but I'm looking at the audience right now and I see a Julianne Warren I just want to line her up for a two shot with Javier Bardem Yeah Let's get them together You're taking photos and you're going like this

However you do it That's why I don't direct Because I don't know how to do this shit Well is like people were just doing it in film school So like this was always funny Yeah and it was funny because when we were starting film school None of us knew anything But we just copy and so we'd walk into a room and do this

a lot of guys did this it was either that or this one so you should start posing for photos like that yeah my friend Tomas who two days into film school before we were in friends like we were doing like a little

exercise shoot out in Union Square and he's like I think if we set up the 16 minameter right here I'm like bro we started 30 minutes ago you want to chill on acting like Roger Deacons man he's a great guy

guy. He's like, line it up right here. And then maybe we reverse and then we shoot over here with the trees in the background. The trees suggest kind of change. And I'm like,

I don't know I'm going to be able to do this, man. You want to do a couple more of these Battle of the States, March Madness? So the next matchup we got is New Hampshire versus Vermont. Whoa. I don't know anything about either. New Hampshire is a great state slogan,

Live Free or Die. That's badass. It's on their license plates. Vermont, it's got maple syrup. Incredible green rolling hills. Incredible. That's pretty. Incredible foliage.

Great lakes. You can wakeboard the shit out of them. It has skiing. Not the best skiing in America, but it has good skiing. icy skiing, you could say it produces some of the best racers because they're skiing on ice.

Ben and Jerry's. It's got me, myself, and Irene. A lot of the movie takes place there, I think. Vermont is an incredible state. It's got Burlingame. Nope. Burlington.

University of Vermont a lot of people like that's very diplomatic I like I like the way you said that New Hampshire has Seth Myers and Sarah Silverman um and uh and uh well just based off that I'm going Vermont yeah Vermont I love Vermont dude great uh you were just cooking there I know the East I knew the East pretty well. Well, so you had homies from all these states, right, when you were in high school? Not really Vermont, but yeah. Yeah.

Where were the coolest guys generally from? I mean, at my school, it was Greenwich, Connecticut. If you're from Greenwich, you just had a little bit of a swag to you. You were swagged out. Because you just, like, that was the culture. You were playing hockey, you were in Timberlands, you know. If you were, but just a Granch guy in general, you know, pop collar, pastel. Do you think those guys would have translated well to like a California school?

I think Californians would have looked at them as posers. Whoa. Because at the time, I don't know how it is now, but at the time, they were trying to emulate California, but it was an East Coast version. So they'd be like, are you trying to be California? are you not would they do like shock up brought and stuff like that yeah oh but then they'd be like do you see the you see uh you see that hockey player he's nasty he's got dangles i don't know if i got that word right he's got dangles bro and so if he said that in san diego you'd get pushed off

the pier were they more high energy than west coast guy dude good quash yeah I think so more competitive I think yeah because in California it was it was cool to be competitive but you had to be like hey man just relax yeah

don't be outwardly competitive yeah it's like do you're like doing a little too much bro yeah just chill so Danny really embodies that I mean it's also because Danny's a pitcher you know so they're typically a little more like

Danny who baseball coach at UC Irvine. You might as well call UC Newport Beach because it's right there. If you're a young buckeroon, you can swing or hit, go to UCI with Danny Bobona, Best Pitching coach in America. He's very, like, dry. But I think pitchers are like that a lot because they, you know, they don't want to get rattled. Baseball players have that kind of like a stoic masculinity.

Yeah, Paul Skeens has it a lot, too. He'll do interviews like, yeah, I just went out there. I know, you know, I just tried to hit my spots. And I know if I'm hitting my splitter, I'm going to be tough to hit. That's cool. It's like He's dating Libby Dunn, right? Yeah

That's cool Yeah, they're a nice couple People pick on her a lot in the comments I'm obsessed with comments It's like I get a good vantage point Into where the mob is at Yeah, they pick on her Yeah

Because she like stayed in college a lot You know to keep racking up that NIL Yeah So she'll like put up a post of her doing like Some gymnastics She's just trying to keep the thing going You know And people in the comments will always be like

You're 30 Are you trying to get one more year eligibility they just keep banging her on it is she how old is she she's probably like 24 now 25 it's not like outrageous yeah it's just this weird moment where because of nil people are like trying to stay in college longer because it's like that's where they got the most market value yeah and see we got qbs now who are like 29 playing for Nebraska yeah it's it happened a little bit when I was a kid but not at this rate. What is NIL?

Come on, man. All right. So the next one is Virginia versus North Carolina. Ooh. This is a tough one. These are two really good states. Yeah. Virginia is Virginia Beach.

A lot of military guys out there. Good surfing from what I hear. It's got good history. It's got Williamsburg. It's got Arlington. It's got the Pentagon. It's got Arlington National Cemetery. It's, you know, it doesn't have D.C, but it's right there.

D.N.C. Lots of. D.M.C. Virginia. I mean, it's got... DMV. UVA. People love UVA who go there.

Gorgeous, bro. Charlottesville's a beautiful town. I got cousins who live there. It's got Charlottesville. Yeah. That's a great town. Like, smart, but, like, still, like, cool. Chesapeake Bay. Kind of like Madison that way.

Yeah. Those are the, I would live in those places. I could live in Charlottesville or Madison easy. Yeah, can you pull up Charlottesville, Jake? I haven't spent much time in a... Dude, the spelling. Jake, you know what I was laughing about in D.C.? What?

Is when you used to cut all of our clips and you said you were miss spelling words because it was good for the algorithm? No, I said I wouldn't fix it. But now I've come... My punctuation is, or like, grammar is terrible. But now I've come to know you and love you, and I just know you just can't spell very well at all. I've been using autocorrects since I was in first grade.

Yeah, you know, you get the modern. And you're obviously very smart. You're like a technical wizard with stuff. But I appreciate that. I was on the phone with my grandma yesterday and I was like comparing myself to my friends being like, yeah, my friend works at Google. He's so smart. And she was like, but you're a genius.

And I was like, what? She's like, you're good at what you do. And I was like, you know what, grandma? I might have something over some people. Yeah. Yeah, you're very good. Yeah, appreciate that. Thank you.

All right, now keep spelling Charlotte with an S-H. Just kidding. There you go. You got it. There you go. Yeah, there we go. I was worried about you for a second there. It's beautiful. Yeah, click those.

There's a nice. Yeah, my cousin Josh is out there. You own some great bars, guys. If you ever want to go to Beer Run or Cardinal Red, Cardinal Hall. Sorry, Josh. I love those two spots too, man. My brain is a little cooked. he's got two great bars out there

he's a great guy yeah shout out and then north carolina dude we did raleigh we did charlotte charlotte is one of my top five favorite towns to perform in crowds are amazing I love every time we get to visit there

I'm a big museum guy I love going to the NASCAR museum it's a it's a the city's exploding you can just feel like how much it's growing and yeah the culture seems really solid and then raleigh was awesome

uh my friend madison lives out there. Her and her husband, Matt, great people. Beautiful campus. Yeah, and then you got Duke, you got Tobacco Road. Wilmington or, Asheville. Asheville.

Is it Wilmington? Yeah, that's one too. Yeah. I think it has the outer banks. Yep. People love North Carolina. I like it. I think, yeah, you know what?

I think I'm actually going to go. And, you know, cigarettes come from there. I'm going North Carolina. North Carolina. Or are you going to go Virginia because of the history? I can be swayed. I think North Carolina has good history though, right?

I think so. I don't know if it's got a hitter as heavy as Thomas Jefferson, but I think it's rock solid. Yeah, I think North Carolina. Oh, Virginia makes cigarettes too. I respect to you guys, but it's not as known. Virginia Slims. Yeah, we give credit for the cultural impact here.

that's what that's what you do when you don't really know the data you just go just feels like it should be North Carolina all right so we're going North Carolina let's cook through this the left side of this bracket I got to roll so we're going to the south now we're going to go Georgia versus Alabama oh this is a tough one I mean all of us went to Talladega in Alabama sick

sick Alabama has got good wooded forestry dude very wooded A good racetrack Talladega Did we We're doing Alabama Mobile We did we

Good coastline Yeah we greenlit that gig I know I'm so excited for that It looks beautiful Good coastline But we haven't done a ton of time There we've done Georgia A little bit

We've been to Intercourse Georgia No That was PA Yeah sorry It was a not blue ball It was Something that's sex

Like orgasm Yeah, it was like BJ. Yeah. Let me see. His butt fuck Georgia. 69. Oh my God, I'm going to bust Georgia. Babe, babe, slow down.

I'm going to come. Climax. Climax. This is close, yeah. We met the mayor of climax. He's a funny guy. Yeah. Georgia, it's got Atlanta.

Coldline hub. Biggest airport. We've never got to do Atlanta for real, too. We've been there when it's like super rainy. And then the club now is an alpharetta, so it's not. even in Atlanta proper. Yeah. And also, it's got great strip clubs.

Great strip. And my buddy did a wedding out in like a plantation area of Georgia, like an hour outside of Atlanta. Bro, sick as hell. Yeah. There was this bar called the Electric Cowboy. I had one of the best nights in my life there. So on Adderall, I danced with this beautiful girl.

Remember her makeup got on my shirt? It was just like perfect. She's a kindergarten teacher. It didn't go any farther. We just shared a nice moment. Place was open until like 2.30 in the morning. every night. I was out there all the time. And some dude outside was like, he said he was Dabo Sweeney's brother. He said, I asked my brother, Dabo. This was the Clemson was ripping national

titles. And he's like, I gave him that nickname Dabo. He'd be walking around and said, that boy, that boy. And I was like, oh, dude, honestly he could have been lying. But it was, it was such a great thing to make up. Yeah, that's awesome. I got to start doing stuff. It's just lied, but I'm Phil Jackson's nephew. Yeah. Just say that shit. Why not? I think more with Atlanta it's like a huge birthplace of rap music like a lot of music comes out of it Outcast bro

Dirty South Great culture Germain Dupree Lil John Lil John Yeah I mean Atlanta is It's got Usher

Yeah Usher I think the only thing The Alabama could potentially have over it Which it's really close But they're football I mean Alabama roll tide

George is really good too But George's got good football too It's not as good as Bama But it's Yeah I think we got to go Georgia and you nailed it. A lot of it's the cultural

influence. Atlanta's big like there's literally a movie called ATL. Yeah. It's got TI in it. And there's a TV show called Atlanta. And the TV that's a better thing. That was a more significant cultural ref, dude.

Yeah, that show is smart. Yeah. That show is very smart. Sometimes Atlanta, the show is too smart. We're watching it and you're like, oh man, this is like real art. You know real art can be like, makes 30 minutes feel like a couple hours

because you have to like think. Like, oh, there's a layer to this dynamic. All right, we're going to keep it pushing here. We're going to stay in the south. Let's go Mississippi versus Tennessee. I think Tennessee. It's got Elvis, it's got Nashville. It's got hot sauce, barbecue.

which I'm sure Mississippi has as well. It's got country music. I mean, it's a musical hub. It's got Theo Vaughn. It's got Kid Rock. Leanne Morgan. Mississippi. Vanderbilt.

Did you say that? Vanderbilt. Mississippi, Great Coastline as well. It's got, I've hunted for quail there. it's got good old boys um my cousin Vinny birthplace of the blues

I didn't know that oh Delta Blues yeah Lil Walter on his harmonica and that's when those guys would like shoot each other at concerts yeah they'd come in and be like you slept with the name again she told me

I didn't do nothing made the music She told me what you did And then like it made the music amazing And then some like white dudes from Chicago Were like give me that Give me all the money from that Dude one thing I'll say for Miss

I think it's Tennessee in a route But one thing I'll say from Mississippi Is that they're in the headlines a lot right now For the Mississippi miracle Their reading levels went from like the best Went from the worst in the country to like the best Really? For like

For elementary school interesting and so a lot of people are trying to copy it I know there's like controversy around it because some people are like well you just held back a bunch of third graders and that's why their levels went up like you guys are saying it's because of like some phonics based education was really just like held back an entire like class but it's cool that you know it's always nice when anyone makes some progress on the educational front and I would encourage everybody to read about it because yeah it's just something that's important the next one is Louisiana versus is Arkansas.

I mean, Arkansas, you got Bill Clinton. You have to come back here. Birthplace of Walmart. Dude, cook. Bentonville. Fayetteville is awesome. You got the Ozark Mountains. Ozarks.

It's supposed to be beautiful out there, right? Yeah, I've been there. It's not what I expected. It's like the Ozarks. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like forested. Yeah, it's mountain. I was expecting it to be flat, like Midwest, but no, it's a beautiful. But then you got, I mean...

Should we just dunk on the Midwest right here? Sorry, I can't help myself. I mean, but the topography is the worst in the country. Cook, Unk? I do, I would say, just topographically, y'all got some great cities. You got some wonderful people in your manners, state of the art. But topographically, the Midwest is the worst in the country. Oh, yeah.

Sorry, Jake. I agree with that. I was looking at this last night of all the Midwest states. I was like probably four or five of them were damn near exactly the same. Like just small little towns and like a lot of farming and stuff like that. And you just your eye just against no variance when you look out the window. And for some reason that makes me sad. Whereas like when I'm in like the wooded areas or when I'm in like California, we're the best.

Yeah. When you're driving from Pasadena to like Burbank, the rolling. hills of Los Angeles. It's cool. Come on. That just fired me up. It's going to piss people off here. He was fucking,

they're going to call me a communist for saying that. Yeah. You gay commie? Like, I like hills. We have the beach, bro. This one's got to be a clear winter with Louisiana. I just think because New Orleans.

New Orleans is the best food. Oh, yeah. We went there, Turkey and the Wolf. Just some of the poe boys we got. Just a regular breakfast at a diner is just, like the richest, most incredible, like, uh, just fattening his ship. It's just freaking amazing. It's an incredible culture all around. Yeah, the music, the vibes. Because you've done the whole thing, too. Your brother lives there. Oh, yeah, I go there all

the time. It's, uh, ghosts. It's got ghosts. Um, you know, you know, the laws are lax there so you can light off a lot of fireworks and shoot a lot of guns. Uh, partying there is awesome. Um, and, yeah. It's just the lore of New Orleans. And just Louisiana in general, it's got a, it's got good lore. And it feels like so unique, you know, like, I like a place like New Orleans where you're like, you can't duplicate this anywhere. This is just, it will always be itself.

Yeah. All right. Last one or last two for the, for this side of the bracket. What do we got, Jake? All right. So the next one is Kentucky versus Oklahoma. I've never been to either. Now they're at all I.

Here's what I'll say. Kentucky has the Kentucky Derby. People say Kentucky is beautiful. It's got fried chicken. It's got great horses. Oklahoma, kind of what we were talking about earlier, it's kind of a punchline in the sense that people say it's just flat. Boom or sooner.

It's got fried onion burgers though That sounds amazing A profound connection to American Indian history Tulsa's supposed to be really great People love Tolst yeah Greg was living there for a while When he was working on a show I think it was the Ethan Hawke show

Oh really? Yeah And he loved it He said it was a great town And then you know My brother's in Louisville now So I'm going to be out in Kentucky fairly soon

To meet My new I haven't met my new needs I'm so excited to see her. Oh, and then Greg had a kid too. Guys, big congratulations. My oldest friend Greg from fifth grade has a beautiful boy now, Graham. The kid came out cute. I've never seen anything like it.

Really? Babies are never those first weeks or two. I showed them to you, right? Yeah, I know. I haven't seen him. Oh, dude, he's cute. Yeah. Like he came out, and you was, Greg was always, he's good looking still, but he's been good looking

from the jump. He never had like an awkward year. Yeah. So it kind of makes sense. his son would follow suit. And then, yeah, then my brother has a beautiful daughter, Marin now. Welcome to Earth, Marin. I love you.

I can't wait to meet you. She's gorgeous. And Rosemary is getting cuter every day. So, yeah, cute kids all around. I'm going Louisville, though, because my fellow lives there. Or Kentucky. Yeah, Kentucky. All right.

And then to round off to South, we got South Carolina versus West Virginia. I mean, I think this one's a no-brainer. South Carolina's, you got my, you know, my top two pick. and the draft. I forget the name. Greenville. Yeah, Greenville. What was it?

Charleston. Oh, you did Charleston? Yeah. Oh, yeah, but people love it there. I know. People were, because I picked it number two. People were like, number two. Yeah.

Was Chicago still on the border or something? Something like that, yeah. But Strider, Strider pick Greenville. Oh, wow. South Carolina was, because we had just gone there, We thought it was a really charming town's beautiful. The city of Napa. I was going to say, he also picked Napa.

He's getting roasted for his picks. I love it. I mean, West Virginia, it doesn't have coastline, I don't think. It's landlocked. And then South Carolina has a beautiful coastline. Beautiful women. You know, West Virginia culturally, it gets kind of, I think that's like where hillbilly elegy takes place.

You know, when you hear about it, you always hear about how it's going through like the coal factories are being destroyed or there's like an opioid epidemic. It feels like it's often representative of larger scale societal maladies. Yeah. And so you're kind of like, but you know what I will say culturally when Rich Rod was the coach there and they had like Pat Hill and Steve Slayton. Those football teams were the most fun to watch, period, bar none, still probably my favorite squads of all time, except for your Iowa squad. with Brad Banks and Fred Russell and like, oh, too, that was a great team. But, yeah, they had some great football teams and basketball teams, too.

Pitts-Noggle. This guy's hilarious. Oh, Bobby Huggins? I love a Cincinnati coach, too. I love Bob Huggins. He's such a crook. He's such a great basketball coach, that guy. That was one thing we saw in Louisiana, where I knew Brian Kelly would not work as the coach there when we got there.

Because he's like a button-up dude. And I was like, now you need someone like Ed Ogeron who's, like, sleeping with, like, one of the co-eds, knows how to fucking grease some hands is not going to work with that dude South Carolina to cap it off

maybe do your Ogeron impression oh yeah no whatever we went out there we'd be some some wonderful people when they know

you're gonna come out here you're gonna play football but don't don't do you wait hey hey shut up doing an interview I'm doing Chad and T

yeah so we were out there he was a fun guy And I went up to coach and I said, look, I'm going to start with you next season. You're going to be my guy. Hey, hey, boy. What? No, bring me. Bring me a diet coach.

All right. Yes, we were going. He does that. So good. My buddy worked for him and said he was a fucking hard ass. Oh, really? Yeah. But like, he's a character.

He's funny as shit. Yeah, guys, let us know in the comments, your favorite state, where we went wrong, where we went right? Right? We want to hear your opinions on this. Yeah. And if you guys have large opinions, we can continue with the bracket and see who ends up the winner. But I think there's only one clear winner. Oh. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see.

And then also if we missed, because we meant no disrespect by, you know, we're playing at the top of our intelligence, but it might just not be there. If there's stuff about your state, you think we should know, send it to us and we'll happily read it and reassess.