HardLore - CARRY ON: Ryan George & Todd Jones on A Life Less Plagued, Breaking Edge & Reuniting

Episode Date: August 6, 2026

HardLore is joined by Ryan George & Todd Jones of CARRY ON for a thorough deep dive into the complete history of the band, following their long awaited return this past June at Tied Down fest, and on the eve of their hometown return at Sound & Fury festival.From beginning as a metallic band called Persevere in Atascadero, California, to changing their name (and their many lineups), recruiting Todd, Corey Williams and Nick Jett in the band, finding their musical identity on their Roll With The Punches 7", refining it on their one and only album A Life Less Plagued, and Ryan infamously deciding to stop being straight edge, quickly ending the band... This is a fascinating window into a band Bo and I grew up listening to and loving for 20+ years, and it was honor to be in the room as these two shared so much about such a beloved band. X's always win.____________HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.Shot, Mixed & Edited by ⁠Steven Grise⁠Title sequence by ⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠ • Join the ⁠HARDLORE PATREON⁠ to watch every single weekly episode early and ad-free, alongside exclusive monthly episode.• Join the ⁠HARDLORE DISCORD⁠.• Get 10% off ⁠GUILTY PARTY⁠ site-wide with code HARDLORE and grab some of our favorite clothing brands of all time.• Get 10% off ⁠MILLS VINTAGE⁠ site-wide with code HARDLORE.____________00:00:00 - Start00:01:13 - Hello Welcome00:02:18 - Ryan Finding Hardcore & Meeting Todd00:07:19 - Becoming Straight Edge / Strife's Influence in the 90s00:12:37 - Persevere / Ryan's First Band00:16:14 - CARRY ON00:23:44 - Revisiting Carry On Lyrics / The Line Is Drawn 7"00:31:07 - Pickle Patch00:32:04 - Roll With The Punches / Todd Joining Carry On00:40:57 - Off My Chest00:46:14 - Pardon This Interruption...00:48:15 - American Nightmare & Signing to Bridge Nine00:52:25 - A Life Less Plagued01:16:27 - Ryan Questioning Hardcore & Straight Edge01:19:37 - Breaking Edge01:22:56 - Terror01:24:02 - Reconciling Post Edge Break01:26:42 - Ending Carry On01:28:58 - New Carry On Material?01:31:40 - Carry On Ends, Terror Begins01:33:35 - Hearing The Terror Demo01:34:19 - Last Shows At Showcase Theater01:41:30 - Youth Code01:44:24 - The Carry On Coke Lines Shirt01:46:22 - Carry On From 2005 - 202501:52:48 - Expectations Going Into the Upcoming Sets01:54:53 - Tied Down, Returning to the Stage01:58:28 - Theoretically Giving Up On Music02:01:18 - Youth Code And Getting Into Industrial Music02:09:55 - Veganism02:13:29 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

Hey, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us this week for this incredible episode with Ryan George and Todd Jones of Carry On. After we wrapped this episode, these two described this episode to me as a carry-on therapy session. And it's something I'm incredibly honored to have been present for. We learn all about Ryan's sketchy origin to hardcore music, how carry-on started, how Todd joined the band, and how Ryan's eventual edge break ended the band until... now 25 years later. This episode is jam-packed with lore and had both people saying, oh, I never knew that at certain points, which is always my favorite thing. So sit back, get ready to learn about all things carry on, and enjoy. Hello, welcome. It's hard lore time.

How you doing, Bo? What a beautiful week we have here on the show. I must first introduce my guest co-host to my left. This is a Hardlaw Hall of Famer certified. He is nails, carry-on, X terror, betrayed. The list goes on. Todd Jones, welcome. Stand your ground. Sand your ground. Which, well, I'm sure we'll get to in a second.

And on my right, our illustrious guest, this fine day, here to tell us his side of this incredible saga. Finally, from Carion, Youth Code, and the adored Ryan George. Welcome. What's up, y'all? How you feeling? Feeling all right? Good.

Yeah. Good. Todd, how you feeling? I feel good. You get to interview with me, your friend of many years and bandmate. And really, this is the best case scenario for the breakdown of the full Carry-on saga, I feel like. Yeah, man. I mean, I was there.

You really were. Parion was my favorite band, like, before I was in it. This is why. Let's start from the beginning here, Ryan. Tell us about growing up and discovering hardcore in a Tascadero, California. Okay, let's see. I probably got into it like a lot of people my age through skateboarding videos, more just hearing punk bands and stuff. And somehow I got a hold of a wasted youth cassette.

And I would listen to that a lot, like over and over and over. and I met this skinhead guy, like the bad kind of skinhead that worked at the local gas station. And he was like, oh, you know, you got to check out this stuff. And he had, Utha Today can't close my eyes and judge bringing it down. And I was like, what is this? And like I kind of like found out about minor threat and stuff. So I sort of knew about straight edge. And that just like, over.

open the world up, you know, looking at thank you lists and So the shots, he changed. Yeah, yes, he did. Yes, he did. He had, he had great music taste. He did one good thing in his life. Yes. Wow.

He said, tell me that judge was great beer drinking music, man. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, living like in a, in a small town, it was, I lived out in the country. And, you know, this was before the internet. And you didn't really get to choose, you know, who's going to influence you. Where is Atascadero?

It is inland from San Luis Obispo. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's about 15 minutes in, I think. So you're up there. Yeah. It's by one country, Paso Robles. Is it a little north? Yeah, I guess.

To me, it's inland because the coast is over here. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, 100%. But geographically north from where we are right now, correct? Yes, correct. Okay. And did you grow up going out Tascadero for shows ever? Well, I wouldn't say I did, but my friends and I started traveling to San Luis Obispo and Atascadero shortly after we met Ryan. Yeah. And where did you two meet? Where did we meet? Living Room in Goleta. Yeah. Yeah, that's, what was the show? Dude, it was eyelid and far. Was the far play it? Yeah, far. I mean, eyelid and far.

What a two great man. You remember the moment? Yeah. Did Sparks Fly? Yeah. I mean, I remember, I remember like... Do you... Are you on...

You're not on Instagram very often, are you? Sometimes. Brian from Eyelid posted a photo of eyelid playing, and I'm up front with these huge, like, cartoon X's on my hands. Nice. And an Earth Crisis Animal Liberation shirt, like this, screaming. And I wonder if it was that show. Do it look like it was from the living room?

I think it might have been the living room. Yeah, dude. I mean, it's the rest of the interview. You were sitting on a couch and I just came over and talked to you to sat down. I was just curious if it was that show because in my head, the first time we met, you had an Earth Crisis shirt on and you've told me that I was wrong about that. And I'm wondering if I had the Earth Crisis shirt on or whatever. That I can't remember which shirts we were wearing.

But you were wearing a shirt that, that made me think like, oh, I should talk to this person. You were, too. I don't remember what it was. Yeah. That's how it was back in the day, though. Yeah. That's all it took, man.

You could see a guy with tattoos on the street and, like, know for a fact that, like, he's heard Madball before. Sure. And now everything is everything. Yeah. So Youth of Today and Judge are the bands that open the door for you. Yeah. I can rewind, though, his girlfriend, her name was something Beth, but everyone called her

scary death. Oh. She gave me the flexier head comp. She said, I don't like this shit. Like, take this. I know that you like minor threat. And I was like, what the fuck? This is so sick.

So locally, what do you discover and who are the people you connect with that turn it into a community thing for you? No one. I, like, I forced all the kids that skateboarded to get into hardcore. And I told them they have to be straight edge. Like, you have to be straight edge. I agree. Like, you stop listening to Pearl Jam. listen to this.

They kind of like gravitated more to like stuff like undertow or strain like more chuggy, you know what was like pretty popular in the mid-90s. And how did you feel about that stuff as it was? I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. And I like it a lot now. I definitely shunned it for a while when we had youth crew revival for sure and acted like I didn't.

But I absolutely love that shit. I love undertow still. Me too. So good. Yeah, strain too. Who was in control, baby. How early do you become straight-edge? I already pretty much was.

My family had not my immediate family, but like my uncles, I had an uncle that passed away from heroin and he was like my idol when I was a kid. And then another uncle was addicted to heroin and he was in and out of our lives. It was just like substance abuse. And I got to see it growing up. and I was just like, I don't want anything to do with that. So it was a natural discovery. Yeah, yeah. So I was basically like, oh, there's a thing that I already am.

This, and I love the music. Like, let's just slide into this. I had read that Strife was part of your introduction strategy. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. The gray 7-inch with Rick Rodney, he's got a champion hoodie. He's exed up. When I found that in a record bin at Boo Boo Boo Records in San

Subispo, I saw that and I went, holy shit, there are bands around right now. Because, you know, Yitha today, like. 85, you know. But it seemed so old at that age. Like, I was like, this shit is ancient. Like, it might as well have been like the Rolling Stones or something, which it really wasn't that long ago. Sure.

But at the time, but finding strife, I was like, this band is current. And this dude looks like he's in Yutha today. Let's fucking go. And they're not far for me, you know. It's so fascinating to think timeline-wise, because this is, this is what, 96, 97, 95? 95, 96, something like that. Great, great, it was 96. Yeah.

And that's 10 years after, can't close my eyes, you know, 11? But it seemed so old. Which is 20, that's 2015 to now. It's, you know? Yeah, it's crazy. It's so fucking crazy. Could you guys, could you kind of explain to me or put in context, strife's? impact in Southern California at the time?

Dude. Massive. Massive. Extremely important, extremely powerful band. Yeah. When's the first time you saw Strife? California Takeover. Okay, you were there?

Yeah. Life Crisis. Snapcase. Strife. Legendary show. I think 18 visions opened. That would make sense. Was that the whiskey?

Yeah. It's so fascinating that a thing with that much reverence is at the whiskey of all places. What is the capacity at the whiskey? 500. There's 500 people there. That was the biggest venue I had ever been to, though.

I thought it was fucking huge. Same. I was scared. I sat up in the balcony because it was like the first time I had gone to a show that wasn't like an Eddie Numskull, like event that was at like a VFW hall. Like I got to that and there, I'd never seen that many like hardcore, specifically straight-edge kids. I'd never heard a hard line. There were people passing out hardline zines talking with lists of people that weren't vegan that they wanted to destroy or whatever.

Were you vegan already? I don't know. I think I might have been vegan by then. Okay. Definitely didn't eat meat though. Yeah. And yeah, it was a trip. I was like, and everyone wore like Jankos and shit in like jerseys and I was like, the fuck. Like that's what I was all the ravers wear where i live like why why are they wearing all this shit how much of an obstruction was the big pole in the middle of the dance floor i don't remember i don't remember i just remember going there's kids moshing and ski masks doing like windmills and i don't know what the fuck is going on pretty cool i was like i love this because these guys are straight edge and but the music is a little like slower than you today so i was a little confused and they looked so scary yeah

Because, you know, things were happening that I'm not aware of because I live in a Tascadero. I live in a fucking country. I live out on a farm. I'm looking at the inserts of my records and I'm seeing little glimpses at punk shows going to see like good riddance or AFI. You're seeing tiny pieces of it. But then I go to that in Los Angeles and you have people coming from all like the surrounding cities meeting up for this thing. and it's fucking crazy. It's intense.

Yeah. So where are you guys in your lives when you meet each other? Are you doing bands yet? Is stand your ground a thing? No. I think I was 15 and we went to that eyelid show at The Living Room in Goleta. And I mean, I have played with my friends in like local Oxnard bands. But yeah, I was 15 years old. I wasn't really doing much.

Yeah. I don't know if I had a band yet. Maybe. Did you have a band before Persevere? No, no. I had, my friends had a band called Corporate America, and the singer was like always too scared to sing at practice, so I would grab the mic from him. And that's like, when I realized I wanted to do a band, I would grab it and just like scream shit. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I want to do this. So Persevere is your first actually. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Let's get into that. All right. How does it start? And what is the vibe at first? I think it started coming back from that California takeover show. Like literally on the way home? No, like just, I mean, I wish I could say that.

But I, you know, this is a long time ago, so I'm not going to get it totally right. But I remember I had kind of like, you know, gotten a like quite like a handful of kids into straight edge and hardcore. And I was I was doing something. I don't remember what I was doing, but I was away. And they, the kid that played drums, his name was Nick. His dad recorded bands, and he was like a, you know, he rocked in his house with his friends. And, like, they recorded, like, their jam shit. But they recorded, like, two songs.

And Nick sang over it. And he was like, yo, come back and, like, redo the vocals. And, like, let's do a band. Okay. Because he was a drummer. So that's what we did. came back and tracked those vocals. And I think that became the Persevere demo.

Or we retracted it. I don't remember. You still have it? I listened to... Someone linked it to me on YouTube the other day. I listened to it. It's on YouTube. Yeah, it's pretty good.

It's linked right there. I've never heard it. And I've always wanted to. I could never find it. And by the time... I think it was... Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think it's one of those things.

Like, when Persevere was playing shows, like I saw you guys at least a couple times or maybe once at the pickle patch. Yeah, we played the pickle patch. I think as soon as you guys had a demo, you were not selling it, or maybe you guys had already moved on from it or something. Yeah, I mean, I think what happened is the Time is Now Comp came out or something and kind of like flip the switch.

So hold on a second. Okay, so the Time is Now Comp that came out on a record label called Tension Building Records from Pennsylvania. It had floor punch, hands tied. Rancor. Rancor. There's one or two. Ran on the parade?

Yeah. Yeah. I think there was one more band on it. But so that comp came out at the same time that the growing stronger comp on Teamwork Records came out. Enson and Atari. Atari was on there. Floor Punch. Yeah.

97A. Pushed too far. Yeah, push too far. So the time is now comp. Was that some, that's that, is that what exposed you to those bands of that time frame from that area? Yeah, yeah. Okay. For sure.

And that was like very. I think I really wanted to get it too because it came with a zine. Tension building, yeah. And I was like really high. I had that shit and I would just look at it over and over and I was like, like, why am I doing like this like chuggy hardcore like. Because Persevere is a straight up like kind of metallic, chuggy band. Yeah. Yeah. Strength, pride, commitment, believing in myself. Okay, 25 to live. The lyrics come back. Yeah, dude. Wait, that's a carry on lyric. Is it? Yeah, strength, pride, commitment. That's a pride from the first carry-on seven-ish. Those were Persevere songs, so that first Carry-on-Sevon-Sevon-Sevich, because Persevere started playing fast, and we went, wait a minute, like, this isn't really fitting with what we were doing before, and we switched the, we changed the name of the band.

Yes. Because Carillon was Persevere. Yes. It changed. And there was, like, the whole mess with the Jitsu record. Let's get into it. So, we're out. We're doing it right. Here we are.

The clock strikes 1998. Persevere enters the studio with Paul Minor to record a 7-inch. The music changes, the goal changes, the name changes. And at the end of the process, Carri-on is born. How seamless is the transition from Persevere to Carry On? I think it was another thing where I just, like, forced everyone to... This is what we're doing. I was like, start today from Gorilla Biscuits is a way better record than all these.

It stands the test of time. And, like, there's, you know, there's all these new bands on the East Coast that were super inspiring. Yeah. I mean, Floor Punch was a fucking huge moment, I think, for a lot of us. Yeah. 10-yard fight, too. Yeah, 10-yard fight for sure. Like, you can say whatever you want about, you know, those records holding up.

But 10-yard fight in my eyes, all that shit. It was just like, let's fucking go. The 10-yard fight show at the pickle patch was a huge moment. I feel like persevere play. You guys did. We did, huh? Graham took a photo of me. I'm like on a, some compilation, there's a silhouette of me with like fucking huge like jorts on or something.

You were wearing big pants. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, it's fucking like. Well, they weren't carry on it. Well, they weren't carry on you, you know? He was doing California's take them. This is why I wanted Todd here because this timeline is so like.

It's a mess, but we're going to sort it out. It was very messy. So the, you mentioned teamwork records. I mean, that's. That's just around the corner in that, like, such a staple of that era and the youth crew revival thing, you guys really end up doing it all in that goals and influences when persevere becomes carry on. All the youth crew hardcore and then the, I guess you call it like second wave youth crew maybe. Is that fair to say? I like it.

It was happening. Yeah. And especially with those comps kicking off. Who is in the band at the time? Shit. Yeah. So it's you on vocals. But then the fella Andy on guitar, right?

Andy. Yeah, but I don't know how long he lasted in Carry On. I think Jordan Johnson would have taken over. And then maybe Corey was in the band before you. That's right. Corey was coming down from Thousand Oaks. The fucking came. Coming up from Thousand Oaks to practice.

Yeah, Corey's amazing. Is it true that one of the members of the band who was vegan would jerk off with lunch meat? Oh, dude. That sounds right. Okay. Interesting. What the fuck did you find that? Where did you fight?

I'll tell you later. So it's, you know, it's a completely different lineup than the caron. You know what? That kid wasn't in the band. His name was Ian. He was the one that I would grab the mic from. Oh, okay. That was a thing.

It was Ian. Remember Ian? His band played the Highloid Far Show. Was this band called Life? Oh, fuck. Or it was just called Corporate America. Corporate America. They might have changed the name.

They were into like spas and... I remember him. He was kind of a tall, lanky fellow. Yeah, bands were, like, the black long johns under your ripped up shorts. He's one of those. Sure. Dysopia, is that a dude? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He was into that shit. I don't know. Dude, I like youth too hard. You're doing great. You're doing great. I like youth crew hard.

Stabbed in the face. Uh, I guess technically the carry-on demo in a way, you know? Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Recorded with Paul Minor. How was that? I don't remember. I honestly don't remember that recording session.

I remember a little bit. I remember thinking about either him or his brother or something was a tattoo artist. Jim. Yeah, that's all I remember thinking about when I was there because I was like, you just wanted to be tatted. Let me ask you this. When you recorded, I remember because Sandra Ground also recorded with Jim at the For the Record Studio. And what we did is we got like a 24-hour block where we just started recording like.

Oh, shit. at like, I don't know. I can't remember what time, but did you do the same thing? Did you guys record just one session? Like you went in for a day and then you just left and when you were done, you had your record. It was most. That makes sense why you remember not much.

Just a blur in your life. That's 7-inch. I don't remember like a lot of it. I remember doing the stuff for Youngblood and I remember the teamwork 7-inch. Yeah, the stabbing. The concept of a youth crew revival band where a straight-edge song and record called Stabbed in the Face

Oh, hell yeah It's such an amazing concept I just thought it was like, you know, stabbed in the back You're gonna stab me in the face I don't think this sounds like an amateur band demo You know? I think maybe because it's this conscious Evolution from Perseverer

Where it's these guys that have already been playing together But like the songs are good They were good They were fucking good Listen to that in so long I haven't either I'm gonna have to go listen to Dude, the song Pride, the closer, is incredible.

Sick. So the musicians and the band were good. Like they were young, but they were good. That drummer could play. So in that lineup, Carri-on was a powerful live band. And just a little tidbit when we're not there yet, but when Carryon, when Ryan changes the lineup of the band, the song Pride was the only song that really got played after the big lineup change.

But that song, yeah, it's all rocks. it's all rocks yeah so did you play that song with in caro no by the time i joined the band there those yeah we re-hauled everything yeah i mean they had like a full length when i joined the band there was like there was like there was like a full length of material material we never put out yeah does that exist anywhere that live living room tape has some of them on it that sounds good it sounds like turning point yeah it's really fucking cool like it's it's it's hard to listen to because it's like it's like it's hard to listen to because it's like such a bad recording but but you can hear the songs yeah like they're fucking cool jordan and johnson wrote some wicked shit man he was very very good hey man josh yeah josh

we're not there yet but josh was like the first person i met that i was like in complete awe of of like their songwriting who was like my age i was like what the like this he would just sit down very nonchalant about it is effortlessly for him he would just sit with a guitar and he just start playing cool shit i'm like you i'm like what is that he's like oh he's like he's like oh he's not I don't know, I'm just playing it. I'm like, God damn, dude. You took that with you. You did it.

He was incredibly influential to me. Where are you at at this time? Probably, I mean, by that time, we probably started Sandier Ground. Like, we were going up to shows in San Luis Obispo. Like, I would, was it Morrow Bay that had that, like, VFW Hall-style venue where it was a bomb shelter or something? So we would go see Caryon play at the, and then Moral Bay at that place. Like, one of my favorite moments. like hardcore moments ever was seeing carry on cover little friend yeah minor threat um at that place

but like he was saying like eddie numskull would book um a ton of shows in that era area and uh we'd go to them as much as we could and this seven inch really connects with you at the time uh yeah i mean we loved it fuck yeah um but in you know carry on got way better than that too though which we're getting to sure did yeah one of the things that's so striking upon revisiting carry-on is how straight-edge it is. Yes. Drug free for life. I made my fucking choice, man. Yeah. Is that something that strikes you upon revisiting the songs now? No. I think it's sick. It is sick. Like, you know, like, obviously I'm not straight-edge. But I just won't make any sense to anyone but me. I like connect to that shit so much still. I, like,

I hate anytime I ever hear anyone badmouthed straight edge like my favorite bands are straight edge hardcore bands like I still like feel so connected to it but like you know I'm not anymore but it's like very important to me still to this day but like back then you know I meant it so much yeah it's amazing it's every song it's awesome the line is drawn seven inch young blood records. Is this the same group of people? No. Yeah, so explain between

stabbed in the face and the line is drawn. You pretty, I mean, it's, what I remember is you changed the whole fucking band. Yeah. Like, it's basically a new band. All new people. Nobody was the same. No. So, explain that change. And also, like,

when did you meet Josh and Jordan? Josh Luce. was friends with my he was my brother's age my little brother right and uh he they had like been going in like me and my little brother shared a room and they would listen to like my cassettes and stuff

and my CDs and Josh gravitated to the stuff more and he was always asking me about hardcore bands like what is this what like this song is sick do they have other stuff you know you know I'm just like being like an older brother showing them stuff There was Josh and then Jordan played in a band in Pasoobles that was with his brother Jeremy and the drummer. What was his name? The blonde kid. He played in Caryon for a while.

I know he were talking about what his name wasn't Nick. No. I can't, dude, I don't remember. He was awesome. He was a great drummer. Such a good drummer. But they were all in a hardcore band in Pasoobos, which is our neighboring town. Yeah.

And they were doing like chuggy fucking, they were into like deaf tones and shit like that. But Jordan was really into youth crew hardcore. So I just kind of like fucking went, you guys are going to be my band. I took their drummer and Jordan as a guitar. I was a fucking bully. Yeah. How did that work out with just deleting the rest of that? Talk mad shit to everyone all the time.

like what we're doing is going to be better like you're fucking like let's go i don't know you seem to not have been wrong yet so i was good it's tough you got a good track record what was a moment that made you just tell tell those guys like we're not doing this band i mean they kept doing they kept doing their band see what happened okay let me let me rewind a bit uh all the guys that were like stabbing in the face seven inch like they got hella into like cross punk and stuff and i thought it was like so scummy like it was just gross and i didn't want anything to do with it you're you were a morally straight positive youth you know they just looked bad like it's the music was gross like you like it was cool that they were being no it's cool i'm glad people like it sure it's

not for me so i needed people to play and they were in the neighboring town so they just started playing with and i i think also like i think a big thing was having cori coming to a Tascadero like San Luis Obispo area because we all thought Corey was cool like we think Corey is cool we still yes we do he was just like he knew the guys in strife yeah like he had all the cool shirts he fucking talked with the side of his mouth all the time he was just sick there's he's one of one dude he was so sick and uh having Corey being into the band like I was able to get these guys from Paso to come over and you know I don't know there was just like momentum. So is Corey's part of the line is drawn record at all? I don't know if he played on it.

Did he play on it? Yeah, he did. Yeah. And who is who's doing the writing for this? Is it Josh and Jordan? I think Jordan wrote a lot of it. Probably Josh loose too. Because the floor punchness. Oh, then it's definitely it's definitely Josh. Okay. Yeah. He's huge floor punch. So the line is drawn for you, Todd. How does this one hit you? Oh, it was incredible. I, I, my biggest regret in that era is that I didn't go to the recording. You guys recorded that in Seamy Valley. Yeah, we recorded with Graham's friend. A fellow named Shannon. Yeah. You ran, I think T4 was his studio name. But I didn't get to go to that recording. I don't know why, but I was super bummed on that. I think I had prior obligations. But yeah, dude, that seven-inch is fucking incredible.

I mean, it was, it sounded so legit. Like, stab in the face was cool. It was great. We loved it. But like there wasn't number one in californ in southern california at least or um i should say central california because that's where ryan lived too but like there wasn't bands playing that style of hardcore that was as legit as the line is wrong like they're good like collision was a good collision was good collision yeah built to last bill to last was good but built to last they were kind of like um they're kind of like on a new york hardcore tip maybe yeah they were like mad ball bounce yeah sick of it all madball kind of like styles.

And then there was powerhouse from Oakland. And I really like them too. But they weren't, they weren't, they weren't trying to do the youth crew thing. They were also kind of like the New York hardcore thing too. But like I can't remember any other bands playing that style of music. It was just so good. Like there was, I was playing a band called Stand Your Ground and we were cool. But like this felt like super legit.

Like this felt like it could, it could stand in line with something like floor punch or or all the bands from the East Coast. Did it feel like kind of having your own local floor punch in a way? Yeah, I guess so. That's how we felt about staying your ground. We felt like they were like 10-yard fight, like in Oxnard or whatever. And it was fucking sick. Is this when you guys start playing around and outside of California?

I don't think we left to the East Coast until like the teamwork seven inch. August 2000. You remember. That's why I wanted you here, baby. Besides, I love. of hanging out with you. And aside from Todd, like, in your mind, do people care about these records at the time? Fuck, no, dude.

No. The amount of... Kemp in Oxnard and Paso and that's it. Yeah, I mean, there was, like, you know who, you know who was cool was the Life's Halt guys? Yeah. They were cool. We had a bond with them. And, you know, there are people like Graham Donath, who at the time lived in Ohio, but also, like, was

kind of like an Orange County fella. He was friends with all the Orange County folks. He would always be at the pickle patch. Yeah. How about this pickle patch? So, okay, so the pickle patch was an apartment on a ground floor. And three fellows live there. One was Mike Fight, who currently is managing bands. I'm not sure where he lives. He had a record label. He had a record label called Fight Records. He was in Good Clean Fun. Ah. Yeah, he'd bass player for Good Clean Fun. And then Steve Aoki. world famous DJ with Benihana

yeah and uh maybe a Republican though wow and then some other fella I can't really remember who but it was just it was Camp McClard

no he didn't he didn't no he was always at the show why was it so much heart attack fanzine stuff there that was just what was there because heart attack Kent and ebullition

was they had their office space and Golita in the same city I always thought that fool live there no I don't think so cool I just always imagine of upstairs when the shows are going on, like, getting all grumpy. He was kind of grumpy.

Yeah. So around this time is when you decided to move to L.A.? Yeah, probably. Is Carillon being a band at the forefront of that decision at all? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, the whole reason I moved to L.A.

It was because of hardcore and Carillon. It had to be summer of 99. Yeah. So tell me about recruiting the rest of Carri-on for what would become the role with the punches lineup. Oh, boy. Well, on Thanksgiving of 99.

God, I'm so happier here. I got a phone call. No, Ryan called Corey at work. Corey worked at Kinko's off of, in Agora Hills, and I would just go and hang out, like use their computer or whatever. I might have been,

no, I wasn't living with Corey at that time, but I was just there hanging out. and Corey had called Ryan at work and had explained to him that Jordan had to quit the band because Jordan had a heart condition and in order for Jordan to maintain his health insurance he had to get a certain grade point average in college I believe Jordan you know he quit the band

yeah and he you know he left the band and then and then Corey and Ryan conferred together and I think you know Ryan put forth we should get Todd to play guitar like that's the obvious choice yeah and um so corey told me that or i spoke to ryan on the phone i can't remember and so i joined carry on because jordan quit wow and i was so happy i was like jumping up and down in this kinkos yeah yeah yeah that kinkos was like a crucial that was the spot for our for our our little world because kori kori would bust shit out he would work the night shift there and he would just like make shit like crazy made flyers he made record covers he made record covers

He was really good at graphic design. The test press with the praying X-tans. Yeah. They were like gold embossed. Yeah. He had, dude. Wow. He killed it.

Yeah. Okay. So you're jumping for joy. Yeah. How soon does the, like, do you actually start writing? Just like, do you remember vividly the first day you sat down with the intention of writing a carry-on song? Yeah, I do. It was the song, Fuck Your Politics.

Track two? Yeah. Banger. Banger. And what was really influential to me at that time was, you know, towards the end of 99, all the, what we referred to earlier as a second wave of youth crew, like all those East Coast bands were kind of winding down. I think Floor Punch had already broken up at that time, the end of 1999. Well, they played their last show in May of 2000. So with that, but that might have been after their European tour where it seemed like they were, It was after their European tour.

And, you know, that whole scene was kind of winding down. Like fast break had started playing more of like a popier rock music. Yeah. You know, and 10-yard fight, I don't know when the only way 7-inch came out, but it might have been around that time or shortly. No, they were done. Ten-yard fight was done by 99 because they play the Edge Day and they had the shirt. That's the reason Edge Day exists, right?

Yes. Yeah, 10-yard Fight created that term. or maybe Pete, sweet Pete did at the show. But anyway, but yeah, all that stuff was kind of winding down. And what was really, really, really, really influential was that Wright Brigade demo. Yeah. And the right brigade seven inch. That shit was mind-blowing.

It was like the youth, you know, it was very heavily influenced by the youth crew style, but also a little bit harder. Like I think Jesse had become pals with the blood for blood people or something and was like torn with them doing merch form or something like that. And those guys, you know, I can't. I have no idea, but I assume those guys were like, they were just like, we're going to play a little bit fucking harder, a little bit heavier, a little bit more aggressive. And that was like, I fucking loved it. I love that Rite Brigade demo.

To this day. Yeah. Yeah, everything. So yeah, that song, Fuck Your Politics was like largely influenced by Rite Brigade. No, that whole, I think that whole teamwork seven inch probably was us going like, fuck yeah, right Brigade. Yeah, probably. It's so interesting to, like, the last.

of stigma in hearing something brand new and modern and being like this this is what we're doing now whereas like well even now if a band was like we're ripping off nails i'd be like that's crazy yeah i the thing is though like when you're young that's what you do yeah yeah like a baby learns how to walk from watching other people do it and wanting to do it and it's like dude i was 18 years old 19 years old like we were trying to um have our own little piece of what we loved because we didn't have it yeah we didn't there wasn't there wasn't bands like that over here yeah like it just didn't exist so it reminds me of uh people in new york telling me that like in nineteen eighty six all their friends would get together and just learn age of quarrel oh yeah and

like like it's already this monumental landmark and they're just getting together after school and learning it so there's no shame and and hearing this new thing that connects with you and Yeah, but I try not to be too hard on young people. You can't. Like when it's like, oh, this new band just came out, it's kind of a new style. The next thing you know, like, the UK has their own version of it. The West Coast has their own version of it. Like, Australia has their own version of it.

It's just like, dude, these are just young people. Like, they're just trying to figure it out. Yeah. That's passion. It's passion. And that's what we were doing. And, you know, it might sound a little unauthentic to say, like, oh, yeah, we were just copying the things we love. but I don't want to say we were copying anything.

Like, when you put it through our filter, it was its own thing. Yeah. Was it Graham from Lettris Gaze and Annihilation Time briefly in the band? Yes. Dude, that's crazy. Yeah. You play bass for us. Base?

Yeah. With a cast. Dude, that's like one of the greatest modern guitar players in the world. Undoubtedly. Carrey on. 100%. Unbelievable. Graham is great.

Graham is a god. Great personality. Carry on as history remembers it is born. in a way. Did you differ from your writing process with stand your ground at all other than taking directly from Wright Brigade inspirationally?

Come on, man. Positively. I don't mean nothing to that. I don't think you mean anything negatively. It wasn't derogatory. It's all good. There was a lot of floor punch still, though. Of course. Josh Luce was like... To this day. To this day. Spiritualally, a lot of floor punch right here. Absolutely.

Is there a song or part of a part of a song that you heard as the singer recruiting this whole new band that made you feel like something special was happening that whole seven the teamwork seven inch though like the whole thing is like every single song on that on that is like fucking insane to me i have a vivid memory of um so i told a story about how the song roll with the punches came to be on one of like the last hard lore i did about where i heard count me out and cori heard count me out at dame mandell's house and then we drove back to to that apartment we had in Woodland Hills.

And we, you know, the song came to life. And then I vividly remember going to rehearsal. And was it Recita or Van I? Is that one of those hourly lockouts? Probably Recita. It was Sound arena. Sound arena. Yeah.

And we were rehearsed there. And we got there a little bit before you did. It was Nat, Kiefer, Corey, and myself. And so we were rehearsing before you got there. And we were learning that song together. and we put it together. And then you came in, you're like, what's up? And it's like, oh, check out the song we made.

And at the end, you were like, oh, my God, that's like one of the best songs I've ever heard. Yeah, dude. It was insane. I remember that moment. Yeah. Felt good. Maybe I'm wrong on this, and I haven't listened to it for a minute.

I felt like Roll with the punches, the song was also, I felt like we pulled something from the over the line demo. Well, I love the overline demo. Yeah, but didn't we lift something from that? It might have been like the fast. like harmonic picking in the beginning. Did they did over the line do that on their demo? I think they do on a part.

I could be wrong. I don't be wrong. I vividly remember just. In my head, like, that's always been like where we, we nicked a piece of that from. But I could be wrong. I don't think. I want to listen to it. Is that just instinctive harmonic trim?

I mean, I don't know. I just heard that count me out one 10 album and I was fucking blown away. Yeah, me went back to our apartment, just sat and played guitar for. an hour. That record was so powerful. Yeah. To this day. To this day. Yeah. One 10's great. Were you conscious of how many times you said fucking and off my chest? No, but the whole record, I used it

as like a, like a syllable. If I needed to make something work, yeah. Yeah. I like. You can't just say I'm this. Yeah. I'm fucking this. Yeah. Okay. Although, yeah, whatever. No regrets. It's funny. Like I never, I never, during the band where we were making those songs, I never thought about that until after and then people were like dude Ryan says fucking so much I'm like he does I mean I do and my

normal speech day to day too so it's like not that weird just the real you yeah phonetically it's a great word great word yeah off my chest let's talk about that song because fucking hit you know the the carry on I think it's the top streamed song probably to this day were you um we talked about this a little bit in the nails episode but Are there reservations from the band as a whole putting this big, obvious breakdown in the end of the song? Like, you as the singer, okay. No. I think that if it wasn't, if I wasn't like cheering for it the most, like, I don't know.

I was very, very into doing this. Okay. Yeah. I really, really wanted to have a song that did that. Also, the end of Roll of the Punch is like the very, the very end. end of it breaking down was also I thought very sick that was your idea I was nervous that you weren't going to like the very very very end of off my chest I loved it because we didn't have anything like it yeah I was like this will be a big moment I had a lot of a lot a lot of

problems doing the lyrics for off my chest so I had to sit with Todd in a car and write it you remember that yeah I do I distinctly remember that we um Corey was dating a woman who um whose family lived in Malibu and our plan was before we went to double-time studios in San Diego was to go stay at her parents' house. So we stayed in Malibu at her parents' house, and it's like, dude, Ryan, like, we're recording tomorrow. We've got to get lyrics for the song.

Yeah. It's like at 10 or 11 at night. Wow. I just couldn't figure it out. Like, I'd never written to a song like that. It was mid-tempo. It was heavier than other stuff we had done. What were we trying to do, like, something?

A little more like Chrome Magazine or something. Yeah. I just couldn't, I couldn't, like. Musically, Cromax? Lyrically, Cromax? I think... Musically, I think. Yes and yes, but I think another big influence to the Off-My Chess song

was the agnostic front song that's on Liberty and Justice, that's mid-paced, too. But we sat in this car and just listened to a rehearsal tape of the song, and we phonetic... Like, you know, the phonetics came to us, and we're like, okay, what kind of line can we put in here? I think it was one of those things. It went really smooth once we got it going.

I just couldn't find the, I couldn't find the intro. Like, I couldn't find just the flow of it. I was like, I don't know what to find. I mean, now it's like a no-brainer. Like, I'd be able to do it. That's always how it is, though. I was just like, I can't wrap my head around this song. I've had that problem so many times.

But we put in the work and it ended up being sick. Can I tell you another tidbit about that? Always. So we, our friends, we would hang out with a lot at Spotlight Tet. two studio, Brian Burke. We had planned for him to do the cover and the back cover of the art for the whole record. And I can't remember why it came out this way. I think we were like working with the deadline, but we're like, if we're going to have this record come out by this tour we're doing in August, we need to submit the artwork like tomorrow. It's like, okay, so what are the

song titles? And we're like, well, we don't have a song title for the song yet. And we were just like, well, let's just call it off my chest. That's like a cool title. So we were like, okay Brian here's the song title's like please do the all back artwork or do the artwork yeah and and so we were just like we knew that the song was going to be called off my chest because of that but we didn't have any lyrics for it at the time you were stuck with that's probably why it was so hard you're stuck with the title and had to work around it do you remember that no well do you remember i do remember b being a little bit behind on the artwork though oh that's okay we're like stressed do you remember the reason behind this weed edition of the seven-inch art

Oh, yeah, dude. We played 420 Fest. Ah. And it was one of the times where we were able to be really funny because we're straight-edge band. In April of 2001, we flew out to Boston and we stayed with Chris Ran and I believe Wes lived there and Tim Kosar lived there. But we stayed at their apartments to record our album. and they were having a show on April 20th, 4th 20. It was Bain American Nightmare.

I think stop and panic played. Panic played. Okay. And I don't know if anybody else played, but Carry On played. So, you know, we had some of those seven inches. And I think Corey, like, did his thing, went to Kinko's. Kinko did it up? Kinko Kroarie, man.

I don't know. I don't know if he cut all those or who cut them or how they got cut, but they looked like a good cut job. Pardon this interruption, you know I hate to interrupt this chat, but I got to tell you about two very important things that brought you this episode. That's right. We got Old Faithful One and Old Faithful Two. First off, we have guilty party, my favorite menswear store in the world. You want denim? They got them. Studio D. Samurai, Flathead, Ironheart. You want boots? They got them. Nix. Alden. Red Wing. It's summer, baby. You want a cool breezy shirt. Freeno and Studio D. Just put a few new

one's up now. Every single week there are new items on the store that do not last long. They just restocked a ton of their most popular denim. So be wise, look for your size and use code hardlore to get 10% off sitewide. That's guilty party.c.co code hardlore. They also just restocked the legendary samurai baker pants or fatigues that Bo and I simply would not shut up about. So check those out. Use the code. Change your life with just a handful of items here. episode is also brought to you by Mills Vintage. He has risen from the ashes like a Phoenix after getting his entire L.A. store robbed. That's right. Every single thing in the store was stolen. And thanks to many of you and many more, his stock is replenished. It is plentiful.

It is bountiful. In this season's harvest spells strife, dying fetus, bastard, entombed, obituary, and many more. He's also about to announce the reopening. of the LA store, so stay tuned for that and some serious heat coming your way that hopefully I don't beat you to the punch on. So follow Mills Vintage on Instagram and head to MillsVintageUSA.com and use code Harlore to get 10% off site-wide. And if you got some old stuff you're trying to get rid of, Vic is your man. Send a message to the Mills Vintage account and he will get you set up with credit or trade to get you paid and to get that shirt on somebody who will wear it with love back to the episode how significant is american nightmare to the the carry-on story extremely yeah

walk me through it does this start with the the california shows played with them i think was jerry's pizza that's right correct but but let me take it back a little bit um during that summer well american nightmare had put out their demo and 99 right i think i think it was like late 99 and i didn't think much of it. I mean, the recording was awful. But people on the East Coast were like, oh, this band's great. I'm like, okay. And then the summer of 2000, they put out that seven-inch. And that was like the same, that had the same effect or a bigger effect, actually, than Rite Brigade. Because it was like, okay, here's this band that's playing, like, youth crew influenced hardcore, but also it's a little rougher, it's a little heavier, it's a little faster, you know, and then Wes had his

lyrics were really cool too yeah he had his own fucking um style um nobody was doing lyrics like that at the time and it was you know it was it was poetry and that really blew everybody the fuck away um everybody loved american nightmare they were great and then so what came what happened was is american nightmare was going to come to california and play a handful of shows um and this was you know between christmas and january 1st so they came out and they played jerry's pizza and baker's field i think they played in northern California. I think they played Gilman or something, but we weren't on the show. And then they played Santa Cruz. So we got to play those two shows with them. And that's where we met Chris Wren. And after that Jerry's Pizza show, Chris Wren asked us to do an album

on Bridge Nine records. And the carry-on album was the first proper full-length album that Bridge Nine would have done. But yeah, American Nightmare was, you know, when they came out, it was like an explosion. Were they influential to you for? writing the full length yeah yeah i would say so important important yeah they were influential to me i mean obviously i was very into them yeah lyrically it was cool i'd already been like listening to like a lot of like screamo stuff around this time and getting into like more emo screamo stuff and getting into weirder music because i'm living in l.a and seeing like club stuff which i've never seen before yeah when do you you come into that?

When, like, pretty soon after moving to L.A. I just started going out. I don't remember. Oh, I was working at Urban Outfitters, and the people I was working with were always going to, like, 80s nights. I lived on Carson and Melrose, and Urban Outfitters was, like, a block away, and I worked there soon.

So I'm just, like, getting exposed to all this new stuff, like a country kid in the big city. So, yeah, American Nighter. nightmare for me specifically at the time was like very cool because I was meeting someone from another from a band that comes from the east coast where all this music is and they're into all this weird shit too so I was like hell yeah this is sick and then they happen to also just kind of become like the band at the time yeah on the label which was bridge nine and you guys signed a bridge nine in 2000 for what would become its 19th release total ever and you said it's first full

length. Yeah. First LP. So Youngblood, teamwork, Bridge 9, you've officially completed the youth revival prophecy. Yo, I know that we had this conversation where we're like, what do we want to do? We want to put out a seven inch, or we want to release something on Youngblood and we want to release something on teamwork. I don't know if we had talked about Bridge 9, but I remember those two specific things and I was like, we fucking did it. Yeah, that felt so good. Like, you know, that was the best. feeling in the world. Obviously the LP being on Bridge 9 was awesome but those two seven inches like I felt like so chuffed. As you should. You should be proper chuffed. Yo fucking B-boy stance forever on that one. 2001, a life less plagued. Your timeless, very straight edge,

one and only LP. When does the idea of a carry-on LP begin and how does the process start? I don't know. Bridge Nine said, you guys want to put out of OP? And we went, fuck yeah, dude. Okay. Before Bridge Nine asked us, did we have plans to do on the album? I don't know if we did.

Do we carry on this? No, I think that we, like, sat down to write that record, because I remember you coming to the house at Kurson and us writing songs. Like, you would be playing guitar, and I would be giving my input on things. And I remember, I think you had maybe,

was it broken strings? I think you already had that. No, I distinctly remember putting that together. Really? Yeah. I thought I could have swore. I remember you playing that at the house. And I was like, holy shit, this is so good.

I love that song. That's why it made me a favorite song from my broken strings. To me, that's like as close as we got to sound like youth of the day. And that's why I like it. Hell yeah. Let me try to think about this. So we had waiting on forever. Oh, is that what it was?

We had waiting on forever. We had a lot of songs. We had killing a sound. We had that tune before. Yeah, that one came out on the comp, the Bridgetline Comp. And we played it at Headline Records. And I remember Ben Edge being like, whoa, that's great. Because I had that melodic solo, like we were trying to sound like bold and sportswear or something like that.

And then we had a sportswear. You'll hear about it. Okay. All right. And other than the two, roll with the punches and off my chest, obviously those were, those were, those were there. And shit, I can't, I don't know. I don't know if we were, I think we were planning on writing an album before that.

We had songs. We had them. Something was, we were fired up all the time. Like, there's no way we weren't thinking. Yeah, I was always coming to your house with my guitar and like, we were just listening to hardcore records and talking about how every band was metal around us. And we were pissed. and yeah

we're fucking charged dude so you're ready you've got songs in the tank you're playing some of them but in your mind a little bit the bridge nine of it all informs it being an LP

and really kickstarts the process yeah he asked us to do an album and then for some reason like you know so we met him at the end of December and for some reason April became the month where we were going to go record it I don't know why that decision was made or how it was made but that was

that was when we were going to go do it And so we needed a fucking, we needed to come up with some material because we already had like, maybe we had like four songs for an album or five songs, yeah. But maybe we had like a handful of songs, but we didn't have an album's worth of songs. Yeah, that would be why roll the punches and off my chest ended up on it. But thank God they were. Dude, you should put the whole thing on there. Let's go re-record it. Is this a situation where you guys feel pressure?

to make a full length for the big HC label or does it come easy? Once you're locked in and you have this deadline. I felt pretty confident at this point. I think I felt pretty swagged out. Like, you know, we had done... We had done two... Good. Well said.

Seven inches on our, like, favorite labels. And then Bridge 9, the label from Boston that was doing rad shit was asking us from California where, you know, we had like our homies and we had, I don't like the word fans, but we had like people that were

into our band here but like for the most part in southern california we got overlooked for everything so we were like and at least for me i think todd feels the same way we were like fuck fuck all y'all like we're doing this like we're fucking i was i was ready dude i had a fire inside of me like i was i was like i had something to prove we definitely had something to prove yeah and we were just we we were feeding off of each other's like chemistry absolutely i think you proved it a lot of anger I mean, we all, we know, this is... Contempt. We had contempt.

As you should. The world around us. So what was, like, popular in Southern California at the time was all the Indecidian Records, Orange County bands. And they, you know, they would play the showcase theater or they would play shows and they'd be packed. There was, we, we, well, I won't speak for everybody, but I definitely wanted to, like, play with those bands. I wanted to play, like, shows with those bands, those people. Like, Throwdown was a straight-edge band, you know.

And, you know, for some reason, whatever reason, it doesn't even matter. But, like, we never got that opportunity. And we were, you know, we were pissed off about it. Like, we would see, like, in my eyes come. I remember specifically, I'm playing the showcase. And we weren't asked to play. And I was like, why are, what? Who knows who it was?

But I think it was at a main team or some, the one of those. Some band, yeah. Then I was like, why are they on it? And, like, why can't we be on the show? like things like little things like that piled up chips on your shoulders yeah and it was just like dude like fuck fuck all these people i mean those people are very nice yeah you know it's everything's i became i became friends with all those people those guys those guys are super fucking cool yeah totally looking back i don't think it was any of their fall i don't even think we were on their radar

honestly but like in our heads we were like like looking back on it i think about like it's a little entitled to feel that way. Yeah, absolutely. Like we, but when we were young, it was like, hey, we just, we just want to do the things. We want to, we want to play with your band. We want to play to your fans or your people who are coming to your shows. Like, can we,

like, and at the time, it feels, I don't know, it feels personal, but it wasn't. I mean, I don't think it's crazy to feel that way. I mean, it's historically looking back and you see that in my eyes played the showcase while Carri-on existed and Carri-on didn't play. It's like, well, that doesn't make sense.

I mean, we're in the crowd. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Corey took pictures on their record cover, the nothing to hide record. Fuck yeah. He has a picture on there. What can't he do?

No. fucking ricks. I can't do everything. Agreeed. Lifeless Plague was recorded with Kurt Ballou. That's correct, yeah. Is this your first time working with or meeting Kurt? Yes.

Yeah, I've never saw a converge prior to that, even though I tried to get to one or two of their shows. It just didn't work out. Did you see Converge before he met Kurt? Not until back to school jam when we played with them. That's right. That was probably my first time seeing them as well. So why Kurt for this?

Well, because American Nightmare had recorded with Kurt, and it seemed like, you know, it had a good production style to it. And, you know, Chris Wren had a working relationship with Kurt, and it seemed like the thing to do. Yeah, sure. So this is the Boston of it all. Yeah, I mean, well, also one thing to consider is, you know, we're here at Taylor's Studio.

Taylor is a great producer. I mean, he produces all sorts of sounds. But if you're in a hardcore band, you could come to a studio like this and record with Taylor who knows everything about hardcore and will know how to get you the sound that you're wanting. Back then, it was not like that in California. There were no recording engineers who knew hardcore. Like you really had to take a chance on going to somebody because there was nobody versed in hardcore. And I remember being excited about being able to go to this. someone who understood hardcore, understood the tonality of it, and would understand our references when we're like, hey, we want to sound like this, or we want to sound like that, or a bass sound like this. And he would know how to do it. So that was also one of the things that I was really fired up about going to, you know, record. And the result speaks for itself. I think so. I think it's a great sounding record. Was this, uh, was this analog? It was. It was on tape. It's fucking awesome. Yeah, it was. We recorded it to tape. Lucas is on drums. That's right. Yeah. How did that come back? Lucas texting me.

this morning. Really? Yeah. Awesome. Hey, Lucas. Great job. Yeah, Lucas. Oh, yeah. So Lucas is on drums. We had met Lucas. Lucas was in a band called Reserve 34. Oh, yeah. Shit. And Reserve 34 played with Carry On at the Boys and Girls Club, San Luis Obispo. Paso Robles. Passer Robles. Yeah. That's right. Yep. Thank you. But we met Lucas. Like, like, and you know, Reserve 34 was cool. They were like, they played fast. We all liked the same. We were the same person. He was just from Vancouver.

We all liked the same stuff. We love floor punch and all the teamwork records bands, the Youngblood Records band. And we met him, I think, the summer prior to him. Was a Ram out with him? Is that where we met a Ram too? Oh, a Ram was in a band called Face Tomorrow. And Lucas was the drummer of that, yes.

Yeah. So we must have met him when Face Tomorrow. Tomorrow came out because Face Tomorrow stayed at your house on Curson for like a week. Wasn't there a band called Burden too? There was a band called Burden. They were from Vancouver. Yeah. It's all coming back.

And so does he spend a significant amount of time in California writing the record? Yeah, he came and stayed with me at Curson. Yeah, he just moved in. Because this is not an easy band to play for. It's very fast. And he's doing, he's compensating very creatively with the better-dud. instead of going through it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which kind of became like an iconic carry-on thing when you revisit it. I think he did that for power. So every time Lucas would do a roll, he would end it with... Boom. So he could hit the symbol really hard. Sick.

As opposed to... Yeah. Makes sense. So I think that was like, you know, part of his drum style. I think it worked with you too, too, because, like, you like to hang on notes, too, before. Like, you have the same kind of impact.

thing you probably vibe you probably one of you probably caught it from each other and it just became more accented sure went on yeah do you have any fond memories of working on something with him or informing a song because of Jesus so many yeah so many i mean i would go like like ryan was saying the house that he lived in off curse and um i would go over there and i remember being over there in the daytime and we were just i think we were writing a song and we were just so amped on it And we're like, we're going to make the fucking best album ever. Yeah, it was great. I remember.

I mean, that house was so sick. That was a sick house. Being like young asshole kids, it was probably more me than anyone, like, not letting thorns come in because he smelled like cigarettes. He's being like, dude. That's real. You got to get out, bro. And he'd be like, fuck you, dude.

Thorns is awesome, by the way. Thorne's Ross. He was great. It was that. I remember fucking Todd Tyler being, like, super hyper. He was like an older guy that lived in the house and finding out about like antidote through him. He had the craziest records. And I was like, holy shit, this is today before youth is today.

Like, how is this possible? That house was so dope. Yeah. No justice staying there. Yeah. That was sick. Were you there for a significant time whenever they were writing the music? I mean, yeah, I was living, like while we wrote, I had my own room.

Yeah, it was great. It's cool. Here's a story. We were the night before, we went to go record the album. The night before we flew, we were going to fly, I drove over to the house with the intention of writing songs. It's like, yo, we need to have a 12-song album. In our brain, we were like, it needs to be 12 songs.

Because I think Breakdown the Walls is 12 songs. We're not in this alone as 12 songs. So it has to be 12 songs. Right? Fair. So like, he still agrees. So it was like, dude, we only have, we what's four minus 12 eight eight we only had eight songs wow and i remember i went over and we wrote

three songs in like two hours wow do you remember what they were yes i do hell yeah they were um is this all there is done uh do do da da da da and uh one thing in a little tidbit about that song one thing i don't like or one thing i've i fail at doing is is writing songs where when you go from the verse when you go from a fast verse and you go to like a a mashi chorus. Like I'm just, it's just not my fucking thing and that song has it. Yeah, but it's cool when it like

kind of brick walls itself when it just slams. I agree. I like that. I don't mind not having like a transit. I think it's great when it's just like. He did the, he would always do the into it and I just think it's very carry on. Okay.

Yeah. So it was that tune and it was rethinking. Really? Yeah. Rethinking. So that's the only other song with another person credited on writing it.

That's right. Yeah, because that, so let me, okay, let me get that out of the way first. So, that was the intro of an old kary song from the Lion's Drawn record. Okay. And I thought, you know, Jordan had passed,

and I thought it would be, Number one, really appropriate for the song we wrote, but also it'd be cool. Like, let's put some Jordan in here. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, I remember specifically Ryan and I, we were talking about, hey, we need a song that kind of does an instead type of thing. Like, kind of like not an angry, hardcore song, but like a, I don't know. Uplifting. Uplifting.

We needed, great word. We wanted, we also, the record was very dark. And I remember talking about wanting it to end on a better note. Like and that's why the world this fuck, but I'm still looking up, like kind of comes from. It's like the whole record is pretty dark, especially for carry on. Yeah. And then we wanted it to feel like a fucking LP. Yeah, yeah.

Like there had to be a journey. Yeah. So, you know, we're becoming real musicians. The fucking lies was really like we're through with the fucking. Yeah, yeah. Did you ever hear Bo's story about that song? No, what I'd love to. He downloaded the record.

This is like one of his favorite records of all. time and he downloaded it on lime wire but rethinking wasn't there oh shit so he discovered rethinking like years later and it was like he had a new carry-on song so it became his favorite carry-on song pretty cool cool i love that and then uh the song broken strings it's probably one of my favorite rethinking dude you closed with it at that time it was incredible broken strings was third yeah that one night before flying yeah wow yeah but it was just what i would just go over i'm like all right ryan i'm to fucking sit here and play guitar. And Ryan be like, that's good.

That's good. That's good. Let's do this here. Yeah. What about, yeah. So you're structuring music together. Yeah, we, that's awesome. We have some chemistry.

Yeah. 100%. But, and then, and then here's a tidbit also about that record. The View. Yeah. The first song on the record. We wrote that the day of the last day of drum tracking for the record. Because we were like, we have 11 songs.

We need a fucking other song. And Ryan was like, I want to, I think you, do you recall this? Yeah, I was like, I remember like almost having the whole song written out in my head. Yeah. Like knowing what I wanted it to do, how I wanted it to be only, you know, that small amount of time. Yeah, I was, I was listening to like a lot of, like, I liked a lot of stuff on like 3-1G and stuff. And this, I wanted to bring that kind of like spasticness into the world of like the hardcore we do.

But this first, this opening track is so interesting because it being 20 seconds long and not fast is like it'll, it can feel like an intro or like something you're just throwing on there. But you are not wasting a second of it. No. And you utilize all that time and space so perfectly. And it creates this blistering opening that like sets the pace for the whole record. And that never stops. So I don't think of this as like some 20 second last second flash in the pan thing because it feels like such an important part of the record.

So we were in the apartment at Mission Hill and Ryan was like, I want the song to do this. And he's like, pop it up to pop it up to pop up. And I'm like, okay, well, how's this? And I just figure, figure out, I'm trying to translate what he's speaking to me in my head. I'm like, I think this is the riff you're talking about. He's like, okay, yeah, that's great. And then we're going to do this. And then that and it's done. At the time, it's done.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly how I wanted it. And we did it and we went to the studio. Lucas learned it. He fucking played it. And at the time, there was no intention of having that beat album opener. But we were, we had a rental car or something.

And like late at night, we were driving maybe to go good food or something around somewhere around Boston. And I think either Ryan or myself, I said, this could be like an opener. I think I said that. And Ryan's like, I was thinking the same thing. There's some songs. where you hear them and then you think about the track listing and you think and it's obvious like it's here or nowhere sure yeah yeah that couldn't have fit anywhere it's so perfect to start it and then

straight into did you know that uh waiting on forever and roll with the punches are swapped on streaming yeah i fucking hate it i wish that would get corrected i've sent an email i've asked for it it just whatever chris rann can you please correct that chris please people think that these songs are different songs so so the reason why that happened was when the record first got mastered, somebody, whoever the mastering engineer was, mastered it like that. And we were like, hey, Chris, like, this sounds good, but these songs are out of order. So he corrected it.

And he got a new master made. But I think he held on to that CD, that master CD. And then when the record got repressed, the record was pressed that way, like, for on the second or third pressing, too. And I think he must have, like, submitted the wrong master or something for, like, a repress. Or, or, and for digital. Easy fix. Easy fix.

So the drum intro starting on the backbeat for the LP recording of Roll with the Punches, like broke my, and then it corrects into like a normal fast part, broke my brain as a young drummer. What song? On Roll with the Punches. Because it goes, didagat, do got, to got, to got to got to got to got. Yeah, yeah. But that's like, it's starting to do da, da-da-da-da-gat-gat-gat-gat-gat-gat-gat-gat-gat-gda-gda-gda-gda-gda-gda-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. Really?

Yeah, there's like a swap. Oh, I got to listen. It's really cool. I don't think well you're a drummer. It sounds like, it sounds like, and I can't, it goes to do to get it to get it because he doesn't go to get it to get it to get it goes to get it goes to get it. Does he get it get it? Is he hit kick first? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, it's like kick starts it, which is like a get, get, get. That's so crazy because I, when I program drum machines for Youth Code, I always start my gallops with a kick first like that. And I remember Alex Lopez from Suicide File. was going to play live drums for Youth Code for a little while. Suicide silence. Suicide silence. Sorry, not suicide file. And he was like, I'm trying to learn these songs in your, like, the beat is wrong.

It's like backwards. And I'm like, no, it's fucking not. And I wonder if that's where I picked it up from. No, it's great story. I'm like, it's not wrong. But it's cool. How can anything be wrong? Even if it's a happy accident, it's like such a sick happy accident that it makes it, it makes

it like you have to really think about it when you're learning. When we're done here, we got to listen. You got to show me. That's, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a. a thing that I've never noticed. Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think I am, because I did learn them all. Since he shized. Exactly.

I'm not crazy. Wes's part in the title track. How does that? What's the story there? Just wanted to have guest vocals. And I was like, write whatever you want. And then I was like, what is all this like flashlight shit? Cool. I love it. Let's go. Yeah, I mean, he was living at the apartment.

We were staying at. So it was just a natural thing. Yeah. I was like more. stoked than anything to have sweet Pete say so watch your fish show me what's up to inside yeah i was i was like he has to do it i hope he does i hope he does it i hope he does it he sure did and then pat did it a tied down that was nice yeah that was sick and then he broke his ass and then he got fucking moated dude moated corroded he really did was he there to fill in some straight-edge gaps was that yeah like we had loosely like talked about it i was just like oh you got to like i was like i want

him to do like the overly straight edge lyrics, you know, I was like, it'd be very appropriate. So many of the lyrics. Yeah, and then I was like, you should do roll with the punches and then I was like, you should do X's always win and I was like, just fucking do whatever you want. He said, well, what do you want me to do? And I was like, I don't care,

do anything. I think he wanted me to give him actual lines. And I was like, I just wanted to be chaotic. And then he broke his ass. Yeah. And it was over. As lifelong, just fans of the genre first, we know that a great straight-up hardcore LP is an incredibly challenging feat to keep engaging, start to finish.

Yeah. And this being 12 songs and 18 minutes makes it so easy to go back to it and start over and over and over again for 25 years. I wonder how you guys felt listening back to it and finishing it. I love it. I was so happy. Fucking chuffed. Like, yeah, it was great. Are you proper chuffed?

Proper chuffed. Yeah, proper. So you're feeling, you finish this, you feel like you've made. The record. About like a big accomplishment. And then. And then, yeah. Well, before then,

artwork and layout by Jake Bannon. Let's talk about this artwork. What does this decrepit old man represent in Jake's mind, do you think? Well, we had a meeting with Jake. I think Jake was, at that time, you know, when we were recording the album, Jake wanted to get together with us and ask us what, you know, give him some direction. Like, what do you want me to do for you guys? So I think he was staying in Rhode Island.

So I think we went down to Rhode Island. And we had lunch or dinner with him. I think it was during the daytime. And I remember telling him like, you know, we're really frustrated as a band. Like we want this record to look like frustrated. And so it's like you have the guy, you know, holding his head or with his head in his hand,

which is a reflection of that, you know. And, you know, at the time, I don't think people really understood the artwork. Did you like it and understand it? I liked it. Um, I wish that we were able to like look at like the first time I saw it was when I held the CD in my hands. Really? Yeah. Like Bridge Nine did not keep us in the loop on it. Holy shit. That's crazy. Like at all. Like I don't know why. But whatever. It doesn't matter. It's, you know, they're a very young label. I think they're just trying to get done what they could. I don't know. I like I like it. It's grown on me a lot.

I love it now. Nothing else looks like. I have to like be honest here and I love Jake's art a lot. When we first got it, it kind of like threw me off a lot. I was like, I don't get this. I don't get it at all. But I was like, you know, it works for the record. I think whether you liked it or not. As time has gone on, I actually do like it.

Like I think it's really cool. It's just yours now. Whatever, I don't even process that it was a guy until a couple of years. until a couple years ago because I just look at it and see the carry-on art, you know? Right, right. But I think whether you liked it or not, it's kind of like insane to not have been part of the process of approving it or not. Yeah. But it's, like you said, it was a young label.

Yeah, I mean, I don't fault anyone for anything that happened. We also, like, weren't giving him any ideas either, you know? Like, what can you expect, you know? I have a quote here from your 2018 No Echo interview where you said, That whole record was me questioning what the whole straight-edge thing was about. Yes. Did you already have thoughts or desire to break edge before the record was done? I don't think so, so much.

I just, I had met a lot of my heroes. And let's say more than questioning straight-edge, just more questioning the reasoning the reason. the reality of being involved in a hardcore scene as opposed to me sitting on the floor in my parents' house looking at inserts to records and imagining this world inside my head of what this stuff was. And it being my own creation, right?

Yeah. Like a fantasy world. And then moving to a city and the reality of it where people are gossipy, like, you know, like there's fucking clicks, there's this and that. Like, then I, it just sort of like, I was like, oh, it kind of took the magic away from, you know. Sure. And I'm still like that to this day.

Like, I love hardcore. I go to shows, not like I used to, but I like it in my own world more than I do as like a thing, if that makes sense. Sure. But I'm like that as a person anyways. I like to be by myself. I like to think about things and, you know, I like to imagine more than actually being involved in stuff. Are there specific lyrics or songs that come to mind that illustrate this complicated deliberation? Probably rethinking.

I mean, it's called rethinking. Yeah, yeah. I just, all of it pretty much, you know. And then X's Always When stands out to me with I believed in zines and sounds from the stereo. They spit lies for years and that's all I know. Yeah. That's another one right there. Yeah.

Which has always been, it was kind of a, it's always weird to talk about your own lyrics, but sure. That's why I was like, you know, I'm saying all this stuff. And then I say, but the hardest kid still put an X by their name. Right. I love you guys. Like, I might be gone, but, you know, y'all are the shit. Okay.

Tell them the story about where you got the title from X's always one. Oh, yeah. So I was at a, I think it was, I couldn't have been the seven. seconds because that's where i broke my ex watch i was at i was at a a punk show a numbschool show and there was a guy with an instead shirt on and uh he was like you know he was like moshing and stuff and that there was like some tough guy in the pit probably like fucking nazi or something because it was that time period and uh the dude in the instead shirt just fucking socked the dude up and he looked that mean he goes exes always win

that's fucking awesome he's badass where is he today i don't know instead guy if you were watching we love you're awesome when do you break edge let's see i'm

not living at the curson house anymore definitely going to lots of mod clubs and yeah you're full mod on yeah yeah straight up and uh i don't know i'm just like kind of like having a rough time in my life and just not really sure. You know, I'm a young person.

I'm lost. I'm confused. I don't know what's going on. And I remember just like sitting outside of the house. I was staying on a couch. It was that Todd Tyler's house, actually. Yeah, right over by fucking cha-cha. Fletcher and Glendale.

Exactly. And I just remember seeing like a dude coming home from a construction job. He still had his hard hat on. And he was, and I've worked construction before, that shit sucks. When you're done, you're not happy. And he was happy walking down the street, drinking like a fucking tall boy. And I was like, looking at him and I was like, why is I fucking happy? And I'm depressed.

Like, and I have like so much cool shit going on. I was like, well, there's something that I've never done. I'm going to try that. Wow. That was it. Yeah. So is alcohol? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how did you think about it? It was wild. Yeah. I loved it. Are you kidding? Yeah, it was sick. It was, it is what it is.

I was like, this is fucking rad. So are you off to the races? I remember, yeah, I just remember, like, calling people. And I was like, we're going out tonight. I'm ready. Like, I'm going to drink at the fucking bar. Like, it's going to be cool. And are people clocking you at the bar and being like, hang on?

No. Okay. No, you shit. Most, like, the people, like, I was. I was, you know, I had a foot in two different worlds. And the people I hung out with at clubs, like, they were just like, cool, it's about time kind of thing. Okay. So it's immediately just, yeah, you're in it.

Yeah. And Todd, how do you find out about this? Well, I called, I called Ryan and said, hey, we got this tour offer. You know, you went on tour? He's like, I got something to tell you. I'm not straight edge anymore. That's how that happened. Walk me through your mind in this room.

I mean, dude, I was, I was like fucking angry. I didn't know how to process. Yeah. Your world is crumbling upon you in a way. Well, one thing we haven't touched on it is like doing carry on was very frustrating because, I mean, it was fucking awesome, okay? But from the perspective of having members, it was very frustrating because we were constantly spending time teaching drummers how to play songs, teaching bass players how to play the songs. Like, Corey and I and Ryan were like the guy, like the solid three in the band. But like it seemed like there was always like a bass.

We always needed to find a new bass player or a drummer. And so it's like, hey, you know, we record this album. It's coming out. We got this tour. It's like, oh, you're, you know, you're not straight edge anymore. Like, I guess this is it. And you had kind of just found Nick, too, who is the perfect guy. That's right.

Who would have solved that problem. Yeah, he could have been the one. He would have been the one. Yeah, he would have. He was the one. Yeah, he was. But if I never broke edge, there would never be terror. Which leads me to something I wanted to tell you.

Yeah. I think... You want to say thank you, huh? I do. Dude, this is real. This is on the record. I think Ryan George, your edge break is the most significant in the history of straight edge. That's kind of cool.

Fuck it. You're gonna do something, do it big. You breaking edge resulted in the greatest hardcore band of this century starting. I agree. I agree. Everything happens for a reason. No, that's a good point. It's true.

And one of the things I'm very proud of is how many bands spawned out of Carry On. In a week. Dude, piece by piece, internal affairs, stand and fight. Ryan doing the adored. And me and Nick doing fucking terror. Like, dude, like every member of fucking Carillon really spun its wheels after Carri-on was 100%. It was like fucking Sonic the Hedgehog getting hit and all fucking coins. Coins.

He's like bands, bands, bands, bands, bands, bands, bands. Those coins became banks. That's right. So how long do you think it takes you to reconcile with the edge of it all? Oh, I mean, me and Ryan, we probably didn't talk for a little while, but like we, you know, we saw each other like, you know, when Carol was done. You came out to some adored shows and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was hard for us not to not be, like, cool with each other.

It was a different time where that, that, that, that, that, that, that math. I will say before we jump too far forward, I, and I don't even know, because when we broke up, me and you, like, it was not good when we first broke up. Yeah. But I really thought we could continue doing carry-on. I thought it could be part of a story, and I thought it would be real. But, I mean, obviously, that didn't happen.

But I wasn't, I didn't break edge because I wanted to break up the band. I broke edge just because I was a lost. young person. You were going through a hard time then. I think you were going through a pretty bad breakup. I was going through a bad breakup. I didn't have my own place. I was couch surfing. My family wasn't in the immediate area. I was just, you know, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. I mean, it was as much of a personal choice to break edge as it was to be straight edge. And it's, it's silly to look at that and think like, fuck this guy for this when it's like, it just wasn't right for you. But I mean, back.

then. It's not like today. Like, I don't think people give a shit like any, like people do. Let me, let me rephrase that. People do care, but it's back then if you broke edge, you know, like you had websites like, how's your edge.com or, you know what I mean? Like, it was like a big deal. Especially the singer of carry-out.

Yeah. It was pretty rough. That's a big deal. Yeah. Who in your memory took it the hardest, do you think? I don't, my bandmates. Yeah. Corey and Todd, I'm sure.

Like, you know, I'm sure Chris Wren took it pretty bad too. He had a fucking record that wasn't getting toward on, you know. Looking back, it was like a fucking dumbass thing. It was a pretty reckless thing to do. But, you know, it is what it is. You did what you had to do. I did. I won't name names, but I did get a phone call from a pretty well-known edgeman.

I think it's actually documented. Oh, it is. Yeah. Well, I just don't want to say it on. Okay, that's fine. Someone can look it up. He asked you to come back, right? And he said, I've done it before.

This person, this person has done. This person's broke edge. And I was like, yeah, I don't know. Straight Edge, it kind of meant a lot to me. And that was, you know, in my head, if you break edge, you ain't coming back, son. Sure. And the call to end the band, is that a whole band mutual decision? No, dude, that was also messy.

That was. So the last show that Carillon played as like a functioning band was December 9th, 2001 at the Trubidor in L.A. It was with Converge, American Nightmare, Hope, Conspiracy, and Plains Mistaken Star Wars. And Ryan and for me, you were moving to San Francisco, I think, at that show. Yeah, probably. At the show. And I was frustrated, you know, and I was like, well, this band's over. Fuck it.

And you had already known that he'd broken edge at this show? Oh, yeah. Okay. I believe Nick told me that Corey didn't know? No, Corey, Corey didn't know. He didn't know? Dude, Corey didn't know, no, because... So Ryan told me he wasn't a straight-edge in the summer of 2001.

And that's when I called him to say, hey, our record's coming out in October. Let's go do these dates with... I think it was Hope Conspiracy, Death Threaten over my Dead Body on the East Coast, like 9 or 10 shows. You know, Ryan was like, hey, I'm not... straight edge. And I'm like, okay. Well...

Damn, I thought I was straight edge at those shows. I mean, at the shows, you might not... That sounds so ridiculous, but... No, you were already not. Like, when I think back to that time, I thought I was still... You feel straight edge. Yeah. But, um, but like, so I was like, I don't, like, I... Dude, I, listen, I was 19 years old. Yeah, no, yeah, of course. I didn't know, like, I was just, I was just trying to salvage the situation.

So I called, um, Chris Rand. I told him the conversation that Ryan and I had. And then I think it was planned. It's like, hey, just don't fucking tell anybody about this. And let's just do this tour. And so I called Ryan back. I'm like, this is what we're going to do. We're not going to talk about this to anybody.

But you're hitting the clubs. Very chain of strength. Yeah. It really is. But like, so yeah, like, you know, it's like, and that sounds like I'm a terrible person for not informing Corey, which I regret. You're 19.

dude. Yeah. But I was 19. I was not the best decision maker and doing, you know, whatever. Todd, it took you one week to start working on terror with Nick. Yeah. Was any of the music that you already had in mind? No, because... Well, we...

Let's back up a minute. We were going to... After our album, we were going to do a split 7-inch with striking distance. And we got together a couple times to make some songs. And I've said this before on Hardlore, but, like, they were different songs. Like, one of them, had like a black Sabbath type of breakdown

maybe one of them had like a refused part or something like that we were just we had we had just made an album of you know straight edge hardcore like we were we were our creative minds were just like in a different place like I'm not gonna like I said I don't know

if it was good or bad right we never got to the songs to a completed point with vocals okay if they had vocals they probably would have been fucking awesome but like yeah they probably would have probably would have been great but like didn't we throw the CD out Or was that, no, that was a different, we recorded something. Oh my gosh.

So here's a story. I forgot about it. Yeah. After I joined the band and we recorded the roll with the punches record, we had this idea to release. Well, what happened is what happened. We combined the seven inches onto one CD, which Youngblood and teamwork put out. But before it came out, I had this stupid fucking idea to go re-record the line is drawn. Holy shit.

And I don't know. I can't remember if it's. because I thought the recording wasn't great, or if it's because I wanted to play on it. Because the line is drawn, I didn't play on that record. So we went and we recorded for like two days at the nighttime studios. The vocals were really weak on that record because I had been screaming and like persevere and I wanted to do more youth crew stuff.

But I think I pulled back too much on the line is drawn and was like too soft spoken when I should have been hitting it harder. Big time. I still think that. You figured it out. Yeah, eventually. But that's probably some of it, I'm sure. It could have been more aggressive, for sure.

And we demoed, actually, there's a lot of songs from the album that we demoed at that session, waiting on forever, killing a sound. So that's how I know that those songs were written. And yes, we destroyed the CD. However, I kept the dat tape. And like five or ten years ago, I went and had the dat tape transferred, so I have all that shit. No way. Yeah, I could send it to you.

Fuck yeah, dude. How does it feel to you now? Oh, it's, it's, I can't listen to it. Okay. You know what we did? We tried to do too much and too short of a time. So that's why it didn't come out very well. Okay.

Yeah, I remember you threw the CD out while we were driving on the street. Really? On the freeway, yeah. Jesus. You ejecting your fuckness. Yeah, so mad. That's all right. There goes that session.

So a week later, terror starts. And are you starting from scratch creatively? Well, yeah, because, you know, you're starting a new band, and, you know, you, you're starting it with, you know, Scott. Yeah. Like what, like, Scott loves youth crew. Yeah. He loves all those fucking, he loves that shit.

But, you know, we, it was decided that we were going to do like, you know, a little heavier, maybe a little more like New York hardcore influence-sounding music. Carillon didn't have like a wealth of material after, you know, when we stopped playing. We didn't have, we didn't have really anything other than those two songs we were trying to write. I will say because I don't, like, we will. obviously weren't really talking during that period. Hearing that you were doing a band with Scott Vogel was so sick. Yeah.

Dude, you know how much. We fucking thought he was the greatest. Remember seeing Barry to Live at the Laser Star? At Laser Star, I was like, dude, that's the guy. He's the best frontman I've ever seen him. He's the guy. Did he come on stage with a side-by-side hoodie with the hood up or something? And there was a fucking drum thrown on it.

And he's like, who the fuck's drum? don't is this fucking one buried alive threw it in the crowd and i was all oh my god at the time this fucking is the greatest of all this dude at the time you were like a like you were totally you know like us all totally anti-metal yeah in hardcore yeah but after the berry live set you went and bought their album oh fucking i still love that record that record yeah all buried live is sick but i mean before that i had like the spare too so like i knew who it was but it was just like even if i like that I wasn't going to tell anyone that I like that shit. Yeah, of course.

Scott's just an undeniable hard. Like, he could be in an awful band, but if he's, if he's fronting it, it's going to be fucking, like, I think he's the genuine greatest of all time. Yeah, he's, he's hardcore in a person. Yeah, personified for sure. Can you tell me about hearing the terror demo? I didn't, I wouldn't listen to it for a long time. Yeah, I love terror now, but like it took me a long time.

And Todd, like, even just up until a couple years ago, Todd would be like, you got to go back, listen to this terror roaster. And I'm like, I don't want to, I don't want you. This could have been you, but you was playing. You know what I mean? Like, we could have never been terror, right? Because it's us doing music.

Totally. That's him and Scott doing music. But I just, it was hard to listen to because you don't want to have regrets. Like, you know, but there's not really a second chance. Yeah. Right. I mean, second chance has happened in the future. if you make them happen, but that's already happened.

So whatever. So the 2005 last shows at the showcase, two nights, how does this happen, and how do you guys reflect on them now? They were awesome. I don't remember how they happened. I remember. I think I was, because I was, you know. Maybe because we didn't really have a last show.

We never had a last show. It was an anniversary, correct? What was the anniversary? The 2005 thing? Yeah. I don't think it was an anniversary. So I think what happened was, you and I were like, like, I would come see you play with the Adored.

And so we were like cool again. And I was living with Corey and Ventura in a house. And I would listen to the carry-on album all the fucking time. And I think I was listening to it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I was listening to it with him.

He's like, man, I wish we could, he might have said something to the fact. I wish we could play these songs again or, you know, something something to that effect and I was like well dude we could and it was like oh like well let me call Ryan like let's let's see like let's let's go let's go actually play like our last show it's like let's go play it and you know a lot of people thought it was a reunion and and and and that's fine they can think that it doesn't bother me but for us it was like hey we're we're gonna do two proper last shows like I know we broke up and it's four years later we didn't really say goodbye ever yeah we just sort of had like a a fight

on stage and played a few songs and then never played again. Yeah, there was no closure. Yeah. It sucked. And I always felt that. I was like, man, there's no closure to this. I love this record. And I love these people.

Yeah. But so that's how that came. So we called Ryan and Ryan and Corey and myself. We got together and I think we had dinner at the Thai place. Yeah. On Hollywood. Yeah. Hollywood Thai.

Oh, okay. Yeah. and we just talked about like you know what we wanted to do and we made the plans and we did it yeah how quickly did that come together i don't remember when we first had the conversation but the shows were on july fourth and fifth of 2005 and just remember being so stoked that we were able to do two nights at the showcase because i think we'd only played showcase theater maybe once or twice before well we've one of the most one of the best shows carry on ever fucking played distillers was with the Stilers.

It was fucking sage. It was amazing. Feet first stage dive on the guy with the Mohawk. He was talking shit the whole time, just around it. Boom. Fuck you. That was so fucking rotter. Nerve agents were supposed to play, but they canceled.

And so the distillers, and that was like when they were like blowing up. Yeah. But still like appropriate enough to play the venue like to showcase. And for some, you know, nerve agents put us on the show. And we had a lot of friends there. Like Jeff and Marco were there. Aram was there. Yeah.

Did Champion play that show? I think so. I think we were the only hardcore band on it. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I want to say they might have played it. But anyway, he was there. A lot of people were there. And we just fucking killed.

And it was cool because, you know, it's generally, like Ryan said, it was generally more of like a punk audience. Like we had a lot of friends there, but it was, for the majority, it was like a very, very, very punk rock audience. And we got up and we played it and they were like looking at us. Like I like, do I like, I don't know if I like this. Then like by the time we were halfway through our set, they were, they were down. You had to me down.

They were fucking down. Yeah. And Ryan was like on stage. I remember you said something to the effect of like, you know, we all might look a little different. We all have fucked up hair. Like. But you said something that was like really unified the room and made them feel good. And it was, it was a badass show.

So yeah, we did play there. To your point, we didn't have, we didn't play a lot, we didn't, we didn't play a lot of six shows at the showcase. No. We played a lot of empty shows at the showcase. We went and saw a lot of bands play six shows. Yeah, I was like a personal goal. Like I wanted like one of my goals in life is to have a sick show at the showcase theater. Well, your actual like run, you and carry on from Roll with the Punches to the end of the band is not a long time.

No, it's dude. It's not. It's a year. It seemed like it does. It seemed like for fucking. Yeah. I mean, when you're, yeah, it seemed like forever. And how much did you do in that time?

And like were the shows kind of, you've been in the band the whole time, were the shows finally what you'd always wanted them to be? No. Wow. I mean, we started to have good shows at the OI Women's Center for sure. Yeah. Let me, let me back up. They were, they were awesome. Sure.

And they were getting good for sure. But like, seeing shows at the showcase and seeing, like, people. just stage diving off balconies, off everything, going crazy. Like, I always felt like we should have had shows like that or could have had shows like that. So I loved our shows at the Ohio's Women's Center, like, so much. Like, that was like, that was like our CBs or something. I mean, yeah, that's what it was. So the album came out in October.

Yeah. And we were done by December. Crazy. We were only, we only. That's so fucking crazy. Yeah, less than two months. December 9th was the last show we played. and that record got released in October.

So, like, people were down with us, but when that album came out, people were really fucking into it. Yeah. And that's when, like, shows did get crazy. Like, one of the things we did, Ryan, is in November, we drove up to Seattle, and we played Seattle, and then we played Gilman Street on the way back down with limp wrist.

Yep. And the shows were fucking awesome. So you got this glimpse of what... Yeah. I think we had given advances of the LP out. to people too. Right. But when it came out, that's when the general public got it. And like, there was like a like, wow, these people, finally. It was like fucking finally. People are finally starting to fucking get it. And you got this glimpse of what could be. And then. Well, I mean, this is

a thing. Like, we knew, like, I don't, I don't, the record's good. I would hear that and be like, damn, this is going to work. Before the album came out, though, me and Ryan, we knew our band was fucking great. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I knew the band was great before I was in it. So I'm like, why don't all these other people think it's great? And I don't know if that's, I don't know if I generally think we were great, but like, that's also like a very young person thing to think. Like, everybody in their band is going to think their band is fucking great. Yeah. And they should. Yeah. But yeah, like you said, it's a little, a little entitled. For sure. But, you know, but we were fucking great. We were right. We were right. That's the thing. Right. Are you,

after these 2005 shows, content with leaving Carillon behind at this time? I mean, it didn't really have a choice. Yeah, we were like, these are our final shows. I mean, did I want to do hardcore bands? Absolutely. Like, every single day of my life since Carillon broke up, I wanted to do a hardcore band. Why haven't you? I have.

They just never did anything. Yeah. I mean, and YouthCode was a hardcore band initially when he started in a way, right? The idea of it was to throw two things. Youth Code started kind of as a joke. Like, it was, Sarah was working at vacation, and they were having, like, all the employees' bands were playing a show, and she's like, fuck, you guys, I have a band too.

And she came home, and she's like, write songs now. And I was like, it would be funny if we mixed, like, industrial music with hardcore and just did it with drum machines, and then that thing just snowballed and turned into a monster. And it's been the last 15 years of your life. Yes. Yeah.

So who knows where it's going now musically, but like we definitely, it was in the DNA for sure. And plus, I'm writing the music and I listen to hardcore. There's a little bit of use of today there the whole time, even in the name, right? Yep, exactly. It's exactly where it comes from. I want to ask Ryan something. Please.

So I don't know if this is real or not. And if we don't want to have this in the video, we won't. But Ram asked me something in the past six months. and he told me there was an incident where some 3-1G type of person I'm not saying they were actually connected to them but just some like fucking dork like put an ad about you

and maximum rock and roll talking shit on you and you beat their ass? No, I didn't beat their ass so when I was living in Long Beach with Jen Root or staying with her, I don't know if I was actually living in her house maybe I was.

They would have shows at their house all the time and Blood Brothers played there. And they were there with a guy that ran a label called Hopscotch Records. They ran an ad saying, oh, the guy from Carion is like doing like Coke or drinking or I don't know what it was. And they put it out in the zine.

I don't think I ever fought those guys. Maybe. Aram said he heard, hear a story about like you saw him in a bar and you like socked him up or something. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't either.

I've socked up many people in bars. And yeah, I mean, I definitely, when I was living in San Francisco, I can think of like a good handful of times I'd sock people in bars, but I don't know if it was about that. Yeah. It was funny because I'd never heard that. I was like, what are you talking about? I've never heard this before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do remember getting into it with a guy that thought I was you at a house party. and he's all, you're Todd Jones, fuck you. And I was like, what? What the fuck? Yeah, it was wild, dude. But we scuffled too. And I was like, that's my friend. You did that for Todd. Yeah, I was like, fuck you.

Yeah, I am. No, I'm not, but fuck you. Yeah, that's awesome. Wow. So on that note, I mean, the... Someone was waiting for me. Yeah, dude. He's a scary.

Dork, dude. Yeah, fuck him. Fuck him. The bootleg carry-on Coke lines shirt. I have one. You have one? Yep. Let's talk about it.

How do you discover this? I didn't really know much about it. Todd would know more than me. I didn't find out about it until way later because I met. Sarah was touring or she had worked with one of the guys that made it on, they were working together on a tour and it came up and she asked me about it. And I was like, oh, I've kind of heard about that. Tell him to give me his and he gave it to me.

I'll be honest with you. That's why I have one. I would wear this. Take it back. It's never too late. You know what? I'm all for funny stuff. I wouldn't do it out of respect for Corey.

Because Corey's the edgeman and he deserves that respect. That's right. Well said. Yeah. The white shirt with the Roll of the Punch's 7-inch art was available at the Universal Studios Hot Topic in the 2000s. What? Which I know because I got it there. Dude, we...

Is this breaking news? Yeah. Where's that check, bro? It was a white shirt with the roll of the punches are. I think it was just black. No fucking way. I had no idea. Universal Hot Topic.

Damn. 2005. You still have it? I don't still have it. It was a medium. You didn't know about that? No. Man.

Fucking dude from 97A did a fucking back alley deal on us. I don't think it would have been him. I think what it would have. Yeah, I don't think. I don't heat you know. I think it would have been merch now that could have brokered that deal. Fuck, dude. I think that's how that would have happened.

You have a merch now store. It could have been just that one month, the check was a little bigger. We did. I can't remember. I mean, that was like over 20 years ago. I got it. Hell yeah. We still have it?

No, no. It was a meeting. So from 2005 to 2025, how often do you guys talk about carry on, reminisce and are you getting offers once in a while that you choose to ignore we talk about carry on all the time all the time we always talk about carry on yeah i yeah i don't like i think so that was a consistent thing you guys every time we talk we talk about carry on dude yeah man was sick we never got any actual offers like any like hey i'll pay you this much if you come play my thing like that never actually happened as far as i know i i didn't hear anything from everybody like that which is

Because I would imagine it would be annual. I think most people that would actually be interested in booking carry-on knew that we said we would never get back together. So I think that kind of, you know. I really thought that carry-on would never ever play again after those 2005 shows. Same. Well, last year at Santa Feary, you both joined myself and the rest of God's hate to play off my chest in C-Sharp for the first time. in C Sharp First time in 20 years

How fucking cool was that Thanks guys It was sick It was amazing seeing everybody smile Dude Smiling behind the kid the whole time We our idea was Because we had this mini terror set

Happening in the middle of our set Was that like Okay if we have to retake the stage after terror We have to Raise the intensity And to that we would just pay tribute to another band that we grew up with that we would have done

either way but you guys being into it was like just this next level beautiful thing and I didn't know for a fact that it was happening until I'm mid-set and look over and see you in turning point shirt and then I'm like okay we're good to go it's happening

yeah we showed up a little like shortly before your set which is cool yeah Keep the mystery. Yeah, I remember Todd hit me up and he's like, hey, they asked me to do you off my chest. And I said that I wanted you to do it, do it with me. And do you want to do it? I was like, fuck, yeah, let's do it. And then we never really talked about it again until like a couple of days before.

And we're like, are we doing this? Yeah. Like, yeah, let's do it. And then I showed up at your apartment before we headed over there. Yeah. And I remember I was saying, like, I wish we were doing more songs. Yeah, dude. I know.

But we... It was too late. We had already, we had been like working on like demos and shit for another band. So we're kind of like already in the mode where we're going to be doing carry-on songs. Yeah. Either with this new band or, I mean, I didn't think Carry On would be playing again. But I was already in the mode that we were going to be playing those songs again. So does this one song thing hold any weight towards Carry on playing this year?

Yes. Hold it all the weight. Yeah. Corey saw it and was like so happy. He was just like, dude, I love seeing you got. Like me and, me and Corey hadn't really talked at all for like years and years and years. And that kind of got us on the phone talking again. Amazing.

Kind of a little bit between Todd as a middleman, a tiny bit. And then I was just like, fuck it. We're going to FaceTime. I got on a call with Corey. And as soon as I saw his face, I was just like, I love you. Best guy. I love you, man. Yeah, but like we, you gotta understand, like, we, we hadn't gotten along in, like, years.

Sure. And we never really patched things up. There was just, like, a lot of horrible shit that happened with Carri-on, too. Like, we had, like, there was, like, deaths, you know, there, the whole breaking up before the album came out. There was just, like, so much, like, unresolved shit, you know? And, like, Todd has mentioned a few times, we were young, you know? Like, we don't know how to deal with any of this shit, you know? We didn't have like therapy.

We didn't have like fucking parents to like sit down with us and explain like how, you know, how to patch things up and shit. So things just kind of like stayed to the side and didn't get dealt with. So after playing off my chest and getting to like repair the friendship was just magical. That's what that's what makes me so happy about doing carry on again more than anything. It's like all of us dudes that grew up together, you know, in our form. years, being friends again, just sharing like love, you know, like brotherly love. It's fucking cool. The thing about doing bands, it's like you do bands with people and you have all these

really intense moments together. You know, you go on your first tour together, you play a headlining show for the first time together, you write a fucking record together or, you know, you're in close proximity. You have all these intimate moments. And, you know, I've been through it with people and bands, you know, It's like, okay, we're friends. Okay, we're not friends. Okay, we're friends again.

And it's like, like, no matter how, if I could give an advice to a younger person, no matter how upset you get with somebody, you're always going to have those feelings, those good feelings towards someone, like, because you had all these intimate moments with them. And that's never going to go away. So I, like, if I could give myself, I'll just say this. If I could give my younger self-advice,

I would say like even if you're mad at someone like don't fucking don't hold on to that because it will go away eventually. Yeah. And hopefully you will become friends with somebody or, you know, hopefully all this bad feelings go away, you know. And here we are. Because no matter what, like I'll never stop like loving anybody who was in Carri-on, even like, you know, if there was a period of time.

We've been through some shit. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Like I'll never stop loving like the guy. in terror or carry-on or really anybody i played in a bandwidth because it's just have too many good things like that you experience together i mean you're not you don't always know that you're in a memory as it's actively happening no you never know you never know how good things are either until yeah they're gone true even like small things and sometimes those small things are like the most

important the best things yeah just getting together for dinner or something yeah so how quickly does this conversation evolve into, okay, we're doing this. And what are your expectations going into it? It happened pretty quick, honestly. After we did the off my chest thing, we just started talking. Yeah, we just started when all three of us, me, Corey and Todd, started talking like, okay, we're going to do this. Shit just got in motion. We knew what we wanted to do right away. We know that, and I'll share this. I won't share exactly. what our plans are but like um because they're we're still figuring it out but it's like we know that we don't want to do a lot of shows we know that we we just want to play some shows and have it be done with because we want to keep it special you know there's some reunion bands and i don't judge them i don't

criticize them i don't care but there's some reunion bands they come up they don't make new music but they're here years for in years and years just playing shows yeah there's no magic yeah and you can watch it fucking just go down the tube sure like these bands start out they're playing They'll play their first show. Maybe there'll be 500 to 1,000 people at the show. And then five years later, they're playing to like fucking 50 to 75 people. It's fucking depressing. Sure.

And we know we don't want to do that. So if you have the opportunity to see Carry On and you want to see Carry On, go see fucking Carry On because we're not going to be doing this for very long. There's not going to be a ton of shows. We're just doing this for. I mean, you guys are self-aware enough to know if the magic fades, you'll feel it. But I would also say, like, if you're in, enjoying it and then you feel like an internal pressure to stop because it's some weird stigma

who fucking cares at the end of the day yeah i mean we we know what we want to do like we we kind of we have a we have a layout we have a game plan okay you know i'm sure things will change a little bit and we also have to work around everyone's fucking schedule because three of us are in you know active bands that tour and then you know other guys have fucking children and lives, but we ain't going to fucking burn out. No, no. Impossible. So tell me about that first set tied down.

It's sick. Walk me through it. I'm there and I'm thinking like, A, I wish Bob was here. Yeah. B, no idea what to expect. And then they fucking open with the view. And like you can. Don't even say anything.

Dude, so sick. And like you just see this like relief hit the room. where everybody just goes, oh, wow, it's real. And we're hearing it and we're seeing it. Dude, it was so beautiful. It was great. I thought people would know off my chest, and that's it. Like, I really didn't expect anything.

Not only, and then the other thing that I learned is, like, I could have been way more serious about my cardio and shit before. Because I was like, yo, I was good at practice. Like, I was fucking, I could get through the set like three times. And like, I do Youth Code. I'll fucking move around in Youth Code. And, like, you know, like, I'm, I'm, you know, I could lose a couple of pounds. But I got this.

I didn't think about the fact that people will be fucking hanging off my, like, five people at a time hanging off my neck while I'm trying to not fall into the crowd too. Like, I sound like a total old man, which I am. But, like, yeah, I didn't. Well, it's different now. I didn't think these things through. The etiquette is completely different now. Not only that, when Carriam was playing, like, we had people that liked our best. band and we're into it, but it wasn't like that.

Yeah. Yeah, it was on a much bigger level. And I was just like, fuck. I got my ass hanged to me is what I'm saying. Youth crew cardio is done by reps only. You know? You can't train for that. How was that for you, Todd?

Oh, it was lovely. It was great. It was fucking awesome playing those songs again. And it was awesome seeing us make so many people happy. Yeah. I felt so good. Dude, absolutely. Looking out in the crowd, like, people,

like almost every single person I made eye contact with was like if they're singing or whatever everyone was just like so jazzed and I was just like I was watching a clip and like I could see myself smiling I'm like I never did that and carry on back of the day I'd be like fuck you fuck you

and I was like but I mean it's different you're looking out in the crowd during this and you're seeing like the last 15 years of hardcore musicians like lining the front label that's what i was saying like the like the people and like people stage diving on me and shit were like in bands i like i was like fuck yeah you know and they bands that came after carry on broke up that i like

and i was just like this is so unreal because i see people at shows and like i say what's up to people and i meet you know shake hands i like i like your band no one ever really says anything to me about carry on so i just figure people don't know who i am or they never listen to carry on or something they don't really know why that is because i'm always like, I love your band. I love your band. Hi, how are you? I love your band. But I don't get, I don't get that very often. I don't know how many people know that in the moment you were the one being like, let's keep the band going. Who cares that I broke edge? Yeah, true. Or if that was the narrative that was out there, it would be like, hey, Ryan Lowe's

carry on. Let's talk to him about it. Yeah, maybe I don't know. But here we are. I love talking about Carri-on. Dude, it's the best. If somebody approaches me and they want to talk about Carri-on, I'm happy to do it. Same. Me too. Doesn't happen very. I mean, that happens a lot more now yeah like after after uh the god's hate set especially but um yeah before not very often it's about to change let's go is there a point after carry on in after like after 2005 where you don't expect to make music at all or i guess after 2001 or are you just like let's i'm no i'm a lifer dude i love music yeah yeah i like i fucking i'm always making stuff How fast does the adored? When does that come?

Happens when I'm living in San Francisco. I live in San Francisco for a year pretty much immediately after Carillon broke up. I mean, that's the reason besides Breaking Edge, me leaving the San Francisco. The Adored, I live in San Francisco for like a year. I get a call from Nat Kiefer that used to play drums and carry on. And he's like, hey, I'm starting a band that sounds like the Buzzcocks and the jam. in L.A. And you should sing. And I was like, coming home. Let's go.

Yeah. And then I couldn't sing and I had to learn how to sing and that was very difficult. You were singing on there. Yeah, I know, but I didn't, it took me a while to get there. I was like, I'd never done that before.

It takes some of us much longer. This shit is fucking hard. But you signed to a universal subsidiary? V2. What the hell? How did that happen? Did anything cool come of that? Yeah, this guy, John Seiddo.

he was an R for V2 and the reason I actually entertained talking to him he came to one of our shows and was like you guys are sick Keith Morris was his assistant Keith Morris from Circle Jerks Black Flag and I was like dude

fucking let's do anything they want to do like this is sick I get to hang out with Keith Morris yeah how did that how did you stop doing that I was a fucking nightmare basically I don't know how in the weeds I want to go I was just a complete maniac during that time of my life. Yeah.

I was a liability. I was fighting people. I was partying way too much. I would play sets and still think I was in a hardcore band and like kick people in the face in the front row and shit. And people were like, yeah, but Liam Gallagher, you know? Yeah, but I'm not Liam Gallagher. How many times is the adored tour with Buzzcox? two or three

where like the UK right we did UK we did US we went up into Canada we recorded two songs with Pete Shelley he saw us play in New York and we were covering Ever Fallen in Love and we noticed him in the crowd

and we were like should we play this song I was just like yeah let's fucking do it anyways who cares and he was just stoked I think he was kind of hot on a couple of the people that were in the band too So he's like, some young boys, all right. Let's talk a little more youth code.

Yeah. You're still making extreme music, hard music, but through this very different lens. Yes. When do you get into industrial? And how deep do you go into the rattle hole? I got into industrial music. I mean, I listen to ministry around the same time I get into hardcore and stuff. straight-ditch hardcore through skateboard videos.

I liked ministry. I'd heard skinny puppy from like, girl, like, scary death that gave me the flexor head. You know what I mean? Like, when you live in a small town, like the punks, they listen to everything. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Everything underground is just the one thing. It's just a thing. Plus, ministry was also like, they were on like MTV in the mid-90s, early 90s. Mine's a terrible thing to taste. It's 169. We also had pale head with IMAI,

so there's a crossover there happening already. so I'm kind of dabbling in it and then there's also a lot of like minimal synth stuff happening around the time Youth Code started and seeing a lot of those bands in LA and just like listening to the records and it's just like synth pop basically but done not as good and not aggressive yeah well that's where when we started doing Youth Code we're watching these bands and we're like these bands are so fucking boring to watch like I like listening to the records, but like, there's, like, nothing's happening. And I was just, that's like when the idea came. Before Youth Code started, I tried to start a band with John Westbrook,

um, Josh Luce, Sarah, me that was going to have drum machines. It was going to sound like SSD crossed with Christian death. And saying, and we started fucking around with that and then this thing happened with vacation where Sarah said we have a band, it's called Youth Code, and then that other band just went away because when YouthCode

started playing, immediately people were like, do you want to play this show next? Do you want to play this show? Do you want to play it? And then Ghibi, it's like, do you want to put something out on DeiS Records? And like, I never got to go back through that other idea which sucked because it would have been really cool. It's never too late.

Fucking John Westbrook, Josh Lewis. Great musicians. Doing fucking weird-ass music. Youth code too. I always thought listening to Christian Death, they had like moshy parts. Yeah, big time. And if you just like translated it different,

like you could have a cool like kind of like gothy, hardcore band. But if you put in some electronics, like think about like Second Empire Justice, Blitz record, like make this fucking monster of a weird band.

I could still visit that again. Like I love industrial when it's fast. Yeah. Like the transitions. Oh, yeah. Banger, dude. Fast song. That just sounds like hardcore played with...

That song, I said, I'm gonna... People keep saying we're a hardcore band that's industrial, and I was like, I'm actually gonna make a song that is a hardcore song. It's fully a hardcore song. That, that, that, that, that, that. One-oh-oh, you know? It's great. Do you do the majority of the programming?

Yeah, I pretty much do everything. What's your doll? I use Ableton. You got to teach you, man. I don't understand the shapes. Yeah. Squares. I like, I like waves.

That's cool. You can hit the fucking tab button. It flips over. There we go. See, I didn't know about tab. Yeah. Do you have a favorite, do you do everything kind of internally in the computer? Do you have a favorite toy?

I have a wall of synthesizers. What's your number one? Depends on, if I'm stuck on something, I switch it. I switch all the time. And I buy new stuff all the time because when I don't know how to use it properly is when I make cooler sounds. Oh. Yeah. So I'm always, I should be selling the stuff I'm not using, but instead I put it on a shelf and I get back to it eventually. Do you ever record a sound and then not remember how to recreate it?

All the time. Because I have like a pretty large modular system too where like there's no presets. Yeah, the cables that go in. And I just make sounds and then I either sample it with my MPC or I record it into Ableton like a big audio file. I'll just let it play for two hours while I'm plugging away and turning things. And I go and cut it up and find little noises and then do something else with it. Do you start Youth Code before getting into this or do you get into this? Oh, I was into it before. Yeah. Just a hobbyist?

Well, when I got kicked out of The Adored, I was like so mad. I was like, that's two bands. Like, I fucking sabotage or got booted out of. Like, fuck everyone. I don't need anyone to like write music. I need to learn how to play guitar. And Todd, actually, you're involved in this part. I got a drum machine.

You came over and showed me how to program drums on your laptop. And while I'm trying to learn how to play guitar, I had like an acoustic guitar. And you sat with me for like a day. And from that, I got inspired, like, going, I don't like being behind a computer, so I'm going to buy a drum machine. But my drum machine was a corg, ENX-1. and it had a synthesizer built into it. And when I started playing with that,

I started going, oh, this is like new order in Depeche mode. That's where these sounds come from. And then I was like, what is this MIDI port? And then I bought a keyboard. I looked it up on mine. And then I bought a keyboard. And I was like, started sequencing it. And I was like, oh, my God.

I can start a fucking electronic band. Like a caveman making fire. Yes. I was like, dude, I can do so much shit with this. So I was already doing that. But I didn't, I wasn't really showing anyone this stuff. It was just like what I was into. But Sarah knew that I was making stuff like that.

So that's when she was like, come on, come on, we're doing a band. Do that thing you're doing every night for me. Yeah. Yeah. Does Youth Code scratch the creative itch left behind by Carry On right away? In the beginning, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But in the beginning, I was also not sure who was going to sing.

for the man if it was going to be Sarah or me. And then I was like super stoked to let her, you know, become a front person and take over. But eventually I was like, I kind of miss like, like I'll come out all the time from behind like the keys like, because I, you know, I run sequencers and shit. I don't really have to do a lot of stuff. Like I have things to do, but I can fuck off for a while.

So I'd like get in the face of the crowd and stuff. And I was like, oh, God, I miss this so much. I was in Cario fuck off Do you still feel like a hardcore musician when you're surrounded by synthesizer? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I did, in the adored, I did,

I do in use code. It's just, it's part of me, you know. That's who you are. Yeah. Does this feel like a culture shock, like fully entering this world as a musician? No. No, not at all.

Do you think touring with corn in Europe later this year will provide the same fulfillment That's Santa Puri? No, God. I'm very much looking forward to playing the shows with corn, though. Yes, it's going to be fucking sick. Okay. We played stadium shows with my chemical romance.

How was that? It was great. And I'm looking forward to doing it again because playing on a stage that big, it's like, it's so far removed from the crowd that it almost feels like band practice. And it's like, and it sounds so massive that all, all i can do is go like for like the you know 30 40 minutes we're out there i can just go i'm playing a fucking stadium stage right now i have no idea if people are flipping me off or stoked or what i don't really care yeah it's just i can hear like all the subs and it's like ds

and i'm like fuck yeah and then i go and hang out in a nice backstage did you guys brush elbows with my chemical romance when they were like a young band touring with american Sarah, Sarah knew them from back in the day. That's how we got on those shows. Interesting. Yeah. You tour with Skinny Puppy. Yeah?

That's kind of like the top of the industrial mountain. Two shows with Skinny Puppy. How was that? There are two tours with Skinny Puppy. It was great. What is left for Youth Code to accomplish to you? We have an LP coming out on Sumerian Records. How long have you been vegan now?

A very, very long time. I had it. I always say, since I was 16, which is not true, but I definitely stopped. I stopped eating meat around when I was 16, and then I went back and forth with veganism a couple times in my life, but I've stuck with it for a fucking long last time. You ever experiment with veganism? No.

I was vegan for 32 days, if you have any questions about. Yeah? Oh, you were. Oh, yeah. I just saw you. A lot of crunch wraps. Don't tell people I was eating at the vegan sandwich place. I saw you.

That was cool. Yeah, it was. Just behind me in line at the sandwich spot. Yep. In the sickest youth of today shirt. Man, it was pretty ill. So tell me your go-to vegan spots in L.A. and then maybe around the country.

Oh, boy. A lot of them have closed, I feel. Yeah, it's a rough time for vegan restaurants. It's not in vogue anymore. I mean, the algorithm is telling you to eat. raw cow milk and fucking pig hoofs. Which is whatever...

Even I think is crazy. Yeah, it's fucking weird. The RFK of it all. Yeah, dude, it's so fucked. Don't get me started with that shit. Shit fucking makes my blood boil. My favorite vegan restaurants

right now, they're mostly places that have like both. Okay. Right now. Let's see. I love the breakfast. breakfast burrito at Millie's, a place in Silver Lake.

They have a vegan breakfast burrito. It's got soyrizo, just egg. It's got avocado. Even the gravy is vegetarian, which I don't, I don't. So easy to make. Yeah. I'll teach you a few things. I don't want to learn how to make that great.

Come on, man. Okay, Millies, interesting. Millies, breakfast burritos is the bomb. There's a place called Little Barn. It's over, I think it's in Frogtown. I just follow Google Maps to get there. I think it's Frogtown. Everything they have for breakfast is fucking killer.

Okay. I really like pine and crane slash joy that has Taiwanese dishes. One of the greats. Fucking so good. Pined and crane, I think I like a little more. All the cold dishes are so good. Dude, the dandan noodles? Oh my God, I love it.

You've been there? Unbelievable. I love, my favorite food is ramen. So, Daiko Kuya in Little Tokyo has got a great vegan ramen. There's a place called. called D-T-L-A Raman that's across the street from where Ace Hotel used to be. They have hella-vegan stuff and it's so fire. That koku is...

Yeah, it's great. Have you been to the little... The express place next? They have the... Inagari? No, no. Am I saying it wrong? The rice triangle, like the rice balls?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Onigiti. Yeah, thank you. So off. Yeah, that place is really good. Those are good. What about when touring with UK? code around the country. Like, what's the spot you're most excited to eat? Probably, even though it's not

my favorite restaurant, I love, always look forward to going to Chicago Diner. Classic. Yeah, it's great. But if Bo is here, he would say, have you tried Handel Bar yet? No. Okay. Bo, I'll check it out. Bo, go to Handel Bar for Bo. It's also in Chicago, and I think it's, I've had it, and I think it's smoked Chicago Donner. That's what's up. I just like the diner experience. Of course. Yeah. But I'll check it out. All right. It's time. I have a couple questions. One for you, one for you, two more for you. Could you, Ryan George, could you tell me your top four hardcore records of all time?

Yes. Let's go. No. Let me look at my list for quick. Yeah, get your list. Get your analog list. Okay. Number four, the bottom, very influential record for me would be the time is now comp.

Definitely came out at a time that a lot of things were very metallic and heavy and moving away from the hardcore that I initially fell in love with. And it was just like a fucking breath of fresh air. And I don't think Carry On would have become what it did if it wasn't for that compilation. I think this is the first comp in anyone's top four. Really? Which is such a brilliant way to get more bands in. Yeah, it was just fucking mind-blowing. I went, there's this whole thing happening

like that I was unaware of. And, you know, all those bands are fucking sick. And Matt Smith did the layout for it. Love it. Then number three would be strife. It would be in this defiance. Yeah. Over one truth.

Just because I feel like number one, it has a song gray on it. And it just is on like a whole other level. and strife was like the most important band if you lived in l.A. They were total straight-edge dudes. They fucking, they still sounded like judge. They were heavy. The production on it was insane. It was just a very important band.

Great answer. Yeah, great record. I think everybody would agree. 100%. Yeah, that was the band. I love one truth, but I think in this defiance has aged better. I completely agree. And then next would be the sportswear LP.

That record is everything about youth crew hardcore put into one LP and it's just so perfect. The songwriting is sick. The vocals are so good. It's like bold but better. The lyrical content is insane. It's, they have songs about, they have Animal Rights songs, they have straight-edge songs. They fucking dress so cool. They're thankless.

They thank like clothing companies. Like, it's just perfect. And they're Norwegian? It's youth crew. Yeah, they're from Oslo. Right. And that band, I think they're the illest band. If you Google Ryan George Carrey on, you're most likely in a sportswear shirt.

Hell yeah, dude. That's sick. I wish I still had that shirt. A kid came out to a youth code show when we were in Europe on this last tour, which is just a couple months ago. Or a month ago. And he had a red sportswear shirt on. And I was like, dude, give me that shirt. And he's all, no.

Well, I don't want to make fun of me. He should give him to me. A Europe guy. But he was like, no. A sportswear tidbit relates to me when Nails played Oslo on this, that tour. we did with creator and carcass and Exodus. I had the music that plays before we play. I had it be sportswear.

No way. Yeah, I have a video of it. No way. Why don't you ever tell me? I thought I did. By the way, I know that they're probably long gone. I'm so mad. I never got the nails bold shirt.

Oh. The puff print? Yeah. Did the puff front was ill. Yeah. That sold like shit. Nobody wanted that. Are they laying around somewhere?

I need one. I think. I think so, yeah. They could be on a... Size large or size medium. Medium. Yeah, I like to show off my man body a little bit. I fucking love bold, dude, but like nails and bold are just not two things that really intersect.

Well, you would think that, but then I roll to the underdog bold gig and who do I see front and center washing bold? TXJ and RXG. That's right, brother. I love... That made me feel good. It was a shit, man. Dude, I was so happy. Looking back is so fucking good, dude.

So speak out. this is why I love sportswear because all those elements are in there and they might be done a little better honestly it's fucking good sportswear LP all day every day also special shout out to the band eyeball great band fucking

German hardcore band to chain of strength turn it up to fucking 20 and then number one my favorite hardcore record of all time is youth of today can't close my eyes. Outstanding.

Talk about it. That's perfect. It was just a fad. Fucking losers. Who didn't care? I will fucking drive my car off a fucking bridge when that part comes on. I have to pull over. Dude, how funny is it?

That lyric is like the antithesis of everything else he says on the record. Oh, yeah. It's all positive. But then it's like, but these other guys are fucking losers, by the way. Yeah. I mean, we just mine's on there, too. But they cut it on the seventh. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, tell me about can't close my eyes. It's just, it's great. It's my, besides minor threat, it's my first actual hardcore record. And it's so straight edge. And it's the cover art, everything about it is just perfect. And like, break down the walls is sick. But like, to say this sounds crazy, but it sounds like too polished to me. Yeah.

Compared to can't close my eyes. like so unhinged and ferocious. Yeah. It's a fucking banger. It is unhinged. It's so angry. I can't believe. It's my favorite of the day record too. The vocals are just so wild. And I think he said that was all like one

take. I believe it. But it's so good. Like there's just a tonality to his voice. It's just fucking incredible record. Perfect hardcore music. I probably listened to it at least every two weeks and when I do

you put it on, I listen to it like fucking 10 times in a row. You get to every version of we just might. Yeah, totally. Could you tell me one industrial record every hardcore kid needs to hear and one hardcore record every industrial kid needs to hear? Oh boy. That's a hard one. Yeah. You know what? Honestly, like, I don't really need to dig that deep. I would probably say like mind is a terrible thing to taste by ministry. I mean, it's just like if you're, If you like hardcore and you have an open mind, you're probably gonna like that record. Hard band.

Yeah, it's fucking good, dude. It's so good. That would be, I mean, it's a fucking, it's a record everyone knows, or maybe they don't, but they probably should. But yeah, that one, I don't need to deep cut that. Great answer. Yeah, and then, I mean, you did today.

Fucking, pick one. Yeah. You know, I'd pick, can't close my eyes, but yeah, that's a record everyone needs to hear. You know, if you don't like it, I don't like you. Fair enough. And fuck you. Now, Todd, you've been on the show before and we've done this.

So I need to switch it up. And I need to know from your mind as a master pit craftsman, your favorite four mosh parts of all time. I'm going to do it like Tara did it. And I'm going to talk about things that are like a little bit more personal to me. there might be better mosh parts out there, but especially as it relates to carry on. I want to list four really influential

mosh parts that were influenced to, influential to me when I was in Caryon. Number one, and this is one of the best mosh parts of all time, a straight ahead breakaway. I haven't talked to any of those guys about where they got that from, but it's like a chromatic walking

down the fret board sort of riff. And I want to be, believe that they probably got that from how low can a punk get by bad brains because it does kind of the same thing but that mosh part I think is the best fucking mosh part ever

with the vocals, the lyrics, the way it's played it's just so it's just that's it right there and then floor punch no exceptions the same thing great vocal delivery, great vocal cadence

great lyrics, great lyrics and just very hard, played extremely well. That drummer, Kingshot, was, and still is like a phenomenal drummer. He was really in his back on it. It's fucking good. And that, like, that song in particular, I think, is as good as hardcore music gets. Yeah, me too. I think it's a perfect hardcore song.

Snow up front. Sorry. I like it. I just, yeah. You're right. Snow up front. It's pertaining to a text message conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Third, Ripe Brigade, Keep Me Down. Jesse's vocal, the tonality of his voice is so good, the lyrics to the song, like what leads up to the breakdown, the fast part that cuts right into the breakdown. I just think it's fucking great. And I believe that was also influenced by straight ahead, them doing like a fast part right into a mosh part. I believe I was told that somewhere along the lines. Which you just described the thing you said you, you like are self-conscious about with carry-on writing, you know?

I was just thinking of that. And it's so cool every other. Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, I guess you're right. And then the fourth one would be, um, oh, death threat brotherhood. The first time I, like, like, like, Zach was really in tune with like, um, Zach brought that into our friend group, the, the death threat demo when it came out. Yeah, Zach Nelson. Yeah, Zach.

Yeah, Zach. Zach Nelson, Zach Oxnard from 185 miles south podcast. Shout out. Shout out. But Zach brought that demo and it just fucking floored me. Like, I don't know. Is that number one, it has two mosh parts that are great. Yeah.

And Aaron's vocal on that and his words are awesome. And like, what blew my mind about that was like the last mosh part. I don't know if I'd call it a groove, but it's like, it's like, wow, holy fucking shit. And then he just starts talking about his friends. Like, I didn't know you could do that in a hardcore song. Not like my friends are cool. Like, he's, like, naming his group, like, SDS, which I don't even know what that is.

But it's like, dude, you're just talking about his friend group. Yeah. Because they're the ones there at the shows up front singing that part, you know? It's fucking sick. That mosh part, though. Holy shit. It's unbelievable. Yeah, still to this day.

And when we toured with Death Threat on stage, you said, I love Death Threat because when I heard them, it was a combination of paper and youth of today. that's exactly right and i remember standing there and going he's exactly right yeah like i don't like yeah that's what i thought in my brain is like a 98 i would have been 16 or 17 that's what i thought because and that was like my range of music right there too wouldn't that be also explained 10fold yeah yeah absolutely great band yeah um 10fold was sick um but yeah so there we go great answers yeah and death Thetra is kind of the hardcore band to me as a Connecticut man. No skips.

Love them so much. Yeah, they're... Great answers. Yeah, their discography is great. You could still see them. I think they're taking a break, but otherwise they're going to play. You could still see them. They got push button on drums.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, cool. Got it all. Well, guys, what a fantastic chat. Hell yeah. Thank you so much for joining us. Carry on is back for now. four now. So if they're playing near you, if they're not playing near you, go see Carrey

on. You're going to be glad you did. I'm glad I did. Can't wait for the Sound and Furious set. I'll be there front and center. Maybe on the side as well, side, two side. But here we go. Carry on is back for a short time. And now we know a lot more about why and everything before, everything in between in this beautiful chat. Ryan, Todd, thank you for being here. Thanks for having us. Pleasure and honor. And we'll see you next week.