IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE CAITLIN CLARK VS. ANGEL REESE CONVERSATION IS GETTING HOSTILE! | S6 EP87

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

Ma$e, Cam’ron & Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson are back with another one!! On this episode, SGA and the Thunder take game 1 in the WCF vs. Antman and the Wolves, who is going to need to up their game to help the Wolves turn this series around or is it over?! Then, it's finally here NY, Pacers vs. Knicks game 1 predictions and we close the show with the Flagrant Foul heard round the world and what do we think about the Clark/Reese dynamic! Please rate, review, and follow the podcast for more content.  Make sure to support the show by hitting the link in the bio and downloading the Underdog app. Use code MASE, CAM, or STAT to get up to $1,000 in bonus funds with your first deposit! Follow the show and our hosts on social media: It Is What It Is, Cam'Ron, Ma$e, and Treasure "Stat Baby" Wilson , Producer Ayooo Nick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello y'all, uh I was selling crack on a private jet up in a hell and back But no confusion, this a reunion Hello y'all, welcome back Yeah, Murda here, he countin' money He said, can't man the hell we're at I'm only here to shit on niggas and piss on bitches Welcome ass, I bought jewelry and bikes, nigga

Black fences and white vigas Now I'm out here and I'm lookin' for more chandeliers and light pictures Nah, I don't like niggas, what's wrong with me? Welcome back to It Is What It Is, this episode is sponsored by Underdog. The app is an easy way to make some cash just by making picks on your favorite players. Underdog is available in more than 30 states, including California, Texas, and Missouri, just to name a few So underdog is running it back with their playoff basketball promo with the extender You can play your way to increasingly bigger boosts each round of the playoffs So start round three by using your game one boost and continue boosting each following game to unlock the next one

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along with your hosts Mace and Cam. Murda, what up, man? What's up, man? Shit, I'm good. How are you? Doing really good, man. Looking like the series I expected to see. What's up man? What's up man? Shit, I'm good, how are you? Doing really good, man. Good. Looking like the series I expected to see. Told you man.

I thought you was talking about my jacket. I was just. Consistency. Yeah, I got shit for the next three weeks. I had all this shit in the stash. Wear your Yankee hat that you had on yesterday and try to act like it's a Nick hat. What about if they lose? Cam, you still gonna wear it?

They made it further than they made 25 years. So you're going, you go, I said last week, I said I was going to wait. You did what you had to do, but yesterday you had a Yankees hat trying to act like it was a knick hat. Here's what I'm saying. It's New York, Cam. Shout out to Jeff Hamilton again on this piece, particularly here. Sonny over a nice little kid. I'm good for the next three York, man. Shout out to Jeff Hamilton again on this piece, particularly here. Sonny over at Nice Low Care. But I'm good for the next three weeks, man.

My pal told you, Nick Parfinelli, Mace, as y'all can see, he's not here. He's not here. He's not here. As you can see, the inconsistency. You brought three things. You said a week and that's not, and that's not five things.

Yeah, I said a week. A week is three days. I ain't mad at you. So tonight, baby. So it's coming back if they win game one. We'll see. We'll see. No, to tell the truth, I was going to wear my jacket today.

I had a different jacket I was going to wear today, but, you know, I did tell the truth. I was gonna wear my jacket today I had a different jacket I was gonna wear today, but you know, I was running for time. So I had to You know try to get here Well, we're expecting well, I'm not expecting it but Okay, so we're gonna get into this Timberwolves versus okayC game. So Timberwolves lost game one 114 to 88 in Oklahoma Mace. What did you think of the way this game went? Well, actually, to think of how this game started, you know, it started like a good game. It actually all the way to the third quarter seemed like it was going to just be competitive all the way through, through and through it.

And each team just kept making big plays and making big shots similarly looking like they both came to play but it's just with so many role players that made a difference in this in this this this game today when you look at Caruso you look at not that Chet is a role player but he's a star on that team he made a difference in this game and even they kept them around until until Shay Gilbert I mean SGA just took over it seemed like in the fourth quarter he just took over and one thing I did take up from this game is that I wasn't ready to say this just yet, but SGA may be like, he might be like a tier above Ant-Man. I mean, so far this is what I'm seeing from this game.

Ant-Man definitely is explosive, definitely came to play, definitely made some big buckets, some big threes. I even looked at the game from the point where DiVincenzo, how you say it? DiVincenzo. DiVincenzo, he was really hurting this team. Even though he made a couple big threes, it's just his antics, like, you know, he get hit in the face. Yes, he did get hit in the face,

but just making more of things than it need to be. And then one time he got the ball and just jacked up a three. It didn't go in and the threes is hurting these, this playoffs. When the ball goes long pause, it just puts the team out of position to even defend when you just jack up a lot of threes.

And I think if they keep shooting these threes, they're gonna be in trouble. I'm looking forward to OKC coming out of this series. Yeah, Mason said is like that he may think that Shane Gilder's Alexander is a tear above Ant-Man. He is until further notice. Ant-Man don't have no league nominator for no league MVP. I don't think Ant-Man was first team on the NBA.

Shane Gilder's Alexander, you know, what happens is OKC until this year has not been getting nationally televised games. You know, Seno, he told me, I was telling him about Shay Gilders Alexander last two, three years, he told me, I can't find him on TV, I don't know what channel OKC play on. Well, you found out this year where the fuck

they playing at. And at the end of the day, he's been first team all NBA, not second team, third team. This is gonna be his third year straight being first team all NBA. And as we said, no, it isn't announced yet, but we all think that he'll win the MVP. Airman ain't there yet.

And thinking about Shea Gilder's Alexander, not from just the game last night, but just in general, he's never rattled. Even when they lost to Denver, we see him losing a game, one of the games, and he's walking off the court smiling. He had a real cool poker face. Even last night, it was a point in the game

where Anthony Edwards tried to get physical and push him on the floor. And the orders, he walks away. You can't rattle him. I hate them niggas. When you play ball, cause I'm one of them niggas that when I used to play ball, try and get in your head, pause,

and he won't let you. Getting his head is nothing that you can do to bother him, it seems like. So, until further notice, he's definitely above Ant-Man, not just because of last night, just because of the work he's put in the last few years. Far as the game last night, look, what happened is this. Minnesota was up four points at the half. They should have been up about eight points. And then in third quarter, they fell in love with the

jump shot. You keep shooting jump shots and you're not making them. Macy's made a great points. This whole play also has been ridiculous with three point shots. It's ridiculous. And that's what happened last night. Anthony, I was in the second quarter, he got hurt, I commend him for coming back. Played well, didn't look like he was hurt at all. So we not gonna use that as an excuse. But look, my nigga, y'all keep shooting jump shots

and it's not going in. This is a fucking, going on the whole fucking playoffs. It's like ridiculous. And OKC plays by committee. Mase made another great point. SGA didn't have a great first half. I think he had 10 points in the first half. The rest of the team held it together.

And that's what I said to myself. I'm saying, look, OKC didn't play good in the first half and they only down four points. They gonna win this game. I didn't think they would win by this much, but I'm like, they didn't even play good. They came out in the third quarter and spanked them niggas and then Minnesota could never recover.

What I didn't like for Minnesota is this. First of all, the threes and secondly, Anthony Edwards not being the superstar that he's supposed to be. Julius Randall was looking like he's the first option on the Timberwolves. That's not gonna work for them to win now. Could Julius Randall have better nights than Anthony Edwards?

Yes. Could Julius Randall have nights where he outscores Ant-Man? Yes, but he cannot be the first option for them to win this series. It's just not gonna work like that. SGA, he lets the game come to him. He ended up finishing with 31 points. It was a smooth-ass 31.

But like May said, the rest of the team, it isn't just about SGA. He's the leader. He's spearheading what they're doing. But Dort, J. Will, Chet, they, Horne, all of them niggas played by committee with SGA leading the way. Nasri from Minnesota, you cannot be going,

what the fuck Nasri went? One for 11, you up for a contract, contracts up. You said you was about to go out in the field and see where that money at. Not one for 11, my nigga. Devin Chinzo, three for 11 from three. Stop jacking up the threes if you not, look, my nigga, I don't get what makes people,

make people think that, and it might be the mind of a shooter. I missed the last one, but I'ma make the next one. I missed the last one, I'ma make the next one. No, no, it doesn't work like that for everybody else. But the most disappointing thing for Minnesota or your Minnesota Timberwolves Fair is that Ant-Man didn't take the game under control.

We have three superstars left in the Final Four, in the Eastern Conference and the Western Conference. I don't consider Tyrese Halliburton, Halliburton, however you pronounce his last name, a superstar. I consider him an all-star, which he is. I consider Jalen Brunson, Ant-Man, and SGA superstars. The reason why people love Jalen Brunson

is because they know no matter what, the Knicks are gonna win or lose on his shoulders. It doesn't matter double-team, triple-team. The ball's gonna be in his hands. Now, don't get it fucked up. I know we're gonna talk about the Knicks in a minute, but you can have McHale Bridges have an outstanding 14th quarter.

You can have Carl Anthony Townes step up and do what he's supposed to do. But the ball will be in Jalen Brunson's hands when the game is on the line or when the Knicks are down or when they need him. Anthony Edwards sometimes shies away from that. And I'm not gonna put Shea Gilders in that conversation because, you know, he's proven,

uh, serving game after game throughout, you know, he's proven, serving game after game throughout, leading up to the Western Conference, he's one of them niggas. Gonna be MVP. But Jalen Brunson, you know, like I said, he's Mr. Clutch. But you can't do what Ant-Man did last night and expect to be one of them niggas. And this is why niggas love Jalen Brunson

because he takes over when it's time to take over. Anthony Edwards didn't do that. Now, did his coach put a mint lever on the bench too long? I say he did. There are all these motherfucking, yo, the minutes, there's many minutes and then we gotta make sure that you don't get to the niggas 23. You're in the Western Conference finals

and you're trying to give them rest. The nigga ain't, nigga ain't 37. Nigga, if he got to play, look, it would times, and I don't think this year, last year, LeBron played all 48 minutes when he needed to play all 48 minutes. Maybe 46 minutes, went out for a minute or two. Let these niggas play, bro.

We get it, it might be a long series. The nigga's 23, big. And that, man, you got to say something, too. You get it, maybe a long series. The nigga's 23, big. And man, you gotta say something, too. You gotta go to your coach and say, look, if we gonna win, you can't have me on the bench when we down seven, and then the time you put me back in with eight minutes left, we down 14, 15 points

and want me to make a miracle happen. You have to say something. The joker did, even though they didn't move to the next round, but sometimes as a player, you gotta put it in your coach's ear. Don't use me for just a fucking amount of comeback. Use me when we're up three, four points to establish a lead so when you do put me on the bench,

I got a little cushion if the other team comes back. And that's why I've been to Minnesota last night. Yeah, he took him out because they got four fouls and they was trying to wait, but they waited, you're right, they waited too long. And I think this plays into the whole fact that earlier this year, we remember hearing from Ant-Man that he said he didn't want,

he doesn't want to be the face of the league. This was, this showed that, this showed he didn't want to be the face. And actually, This was, this show that, this show, they didn't want to be the face. And actually, another thing that I really took from this is that just six years ago, Paul George was traded for, for, for SGA. And looking back, that was a horrible trade. They traded for SGA and like five first round picks.

They traded SGA in like five first round picks. What you just said about being late with the fouls, yeah, but that's part of Anthony Edwards too. You picking up stupid ass fouls, pushing niggas, getting aggressive. Four fouls is not five fouls. Put me in the game, you know what I'm saying? Secondly, if you don't want wanna be face of the league, I understand that, but that don't mean

don't go out and not compete. Right. That don't, look, I'm gonna go score 60. I don't wanna be your advertisement for the NBA, but that don't got nothing to do with my determination to go bust this nigga ass pause. That don't got nothing to do with it, me personally, cause you can be the best player

and don't have to be the face of the league. I'm not coming to the community service. I'm not giving out the turkeys. That comes with face of the league. All the extra shit after winning that you have to do community service, everything. I get that, if that's not true, that's not true. We used to watch Marshall Lynch all the time,

be like, yo, I'm only here so I don't get fired. He didn't want to do press conferences. The man just wanted to be a running back. And that don't mean he wasn't a good running back. But I don't think facing a league should have anything to do with the determination. To get one to win. One to win.

Back to the other thing, when you're talking about how the Clippers traded him for Paul George, you think that's absolutely a terrible trade. How you think Charlotte feel? Charlotte drafted him. SGA. And this is crazy just looking back at that

cause like you said, AI was also one of them players who didn't wanna be the face of the league. He didn't wanna wear suits. He didn't want, that's why he started wearing cornrows, baggy clothes, jewelry know, jewelry out. But when it was time to play, he wanted to win. Yep. Yeah.

I will add though, even though he said he doesn't want to be the face of the league, to Cam's point, that doesn't mean that he's not a competitor. I just think that as the game went on, they lost momentum and he wasn't at his best point. Like even in the fourth quarter, he had zero points. Like that's not like Ant-Man. He only made 13 shots in the entire game.

He needs to shoot more. And I just even think, defensively, what OKC did to... He took 13 shots. Yeah. Thank you. And then even defensively, what OKC did to Julius Randall, they limited him. So I just think they needed to make more adjustments by the second half, and that just didn't happen, and that resulted in their loss.

And hopefully they can kind of come back this next game because they're gonna need to do way better than that. But Cam started kind of explaining this and I wanna get your opinion too, Mase. Who do you feel like specifically needs to step it up on the Timberlake side aside from Ant-Man? And before I get into that, I wanna say something about the Ant-Man thing because,

you know, I really, I really enjoy watching Ant-Man play. I think he's a phenomenal talent. I think he is the face, one of the faces of the league. So I don't say what I'm saying in discrepancy towards him. It's just those are the statements that come back to for people to pull when you say something and hold it against you So that's why i'm putting it out there because that's that's what a journalist would do They will go back to the the point that that makes this moment memorable and and that goes with this moment But when you talk about um, who needs to step up on the timber wolves?

um Pretty much everybody, you know, other than Mike Conley, I think he did a decent job, but I think they're putting too much stock into Mike Conley. I remember saying this earlier, they got to get the young boy in there and let them play. If you go back and look at some of the early teams that won in Miami, they were infused with Mario Chalmers, Norris. It's some time when you bring just that one point guard off the bench that's not the player that they're normally looking at.

They won't have a plan for him because he's new and I think that will be the case with this. I forgot the guy's name. He came in here before he went to Kanye's school. Man, why am I forgetting his name? But we'll come back to that. Oh, Dillingham? Dillingham, yeah.

They got Rob Dillingham. Just because he could change the game and the pace. Right now, they're being beat with energy. It just looks like OKC is playing at a much faster speed. Now, I'm not saying he can guard SGA, but I don't think SGA will be able to keep up with him and his change of direction, and that would change the game. Nas Reed definitely got to play better. I remember one time he went to the rack and it was like, Chet, just little boy, this shot just,

and that can't happen as well as who else is on that team that, that need to step up deep in chenzo, right? When you look at what the Knicks are doing, he better step up. The worst thing in the world is for him to get traded and then they don't make it to the championship and the Knicks make it to the championship. It's going to look like he was the person they had to move.

So those are three people that need to play better immediately. And last but not least, Ant-Man. Ant-Man definitely has to be in 28 and up every game. If they want to win this game, they want this to be a competitive series. They got beat by 26 and the 26 that was missing, at least 16 of that is Ant-Man points. So if they wanna win, he got to be at 28 points and higher to be a championship team. Okay, and then. You said outside of Ant-Man.

Yeah. Yeah. Look, Rudy Gobert can't have three rebounds. They know they started playing fucking small ball and all that, you gotta play 20, you got three rebounds. Yo, you the tallest nigga in the building. I'm talking about fans included. You have three rebounds and all that. You gotta play 20, you got three rebounds. Yo, you the tallest nigga in the building. I'm talking about fans included. You have three rebounds and two points. That is just totally unacceptable, man.

That's out of control. It's unacceptable. That's first and foremost. We gonna start there that you had three rebounds, nigga, and two points. And that's why they started playing small ball. Nigga, you can't even get the rebounds. You can't, nigga's like,

I don't know what the fuck out the last two series, Alex Caruso became some defensive specialist. Yeah. Yo, maybe I, maybe I ain't been paying attention, but now Alex Caruso is the defensive, he's Bruce Brown, he's Tony Allen all of a sudden, playing one through five. That's what's going on.

So first it starts Rudy Gobert, then we gotta go to the bench. Nas Reed, D'Vincenzo, Alex Walker who's Shay Gilder's Alexander cousin. You wanna go back home to the barbecue this summer and get cooked like the food? Cause that's all they gonna talk about. His mother and your mother,

which is they auntts and nieces, nigga I don't wanna go, I'm not, imagine me and Mase being cousins and we in the championship of the Western Conference Finals and I gotta deal with him this summer. Now it turns into the mothers talking about, your son was never good as my son. He was alright, but he wasn't like that.

We see that, he's a role player. My son's MVP. It's all that. You gotta take that consideration. Between Nasri, Alexander Walker, and Devin Cenzo, they shot 5 for 28 from 3. What are you doing? What are y'all...

Back to the 3, I was just talking about last day. 5 for 28, off the bench. This is the production that we're talking about. All these players off the bench. Five for 28 from three. What don't y'all get? So those are the four players. Of course, Ant-Man, but you said outside of Ant-Man.

Those are the four players. Rudy Wailbear cannot get three rebounds, and Najri DiVincenzo and Alexander Walker cannot go five from 28 from three-point land. That's just not gonna work. Okay, and then another question for both of you, because Mace, you also bring up a good point, kind of back to Ant-Man saying that he doesn't want

to be the face of the league, and I know it's kind of like a should have, could have, would have, but like you said, in these moments, that is when literally your words will be used against you. I know he was being transparent, but do you feel like that that's something that he shouldn't have said? Or do you still not see a problem with it because he's young?

Or like whatever your reasoning is? Nah, you know, like when you get approached by the cops, they tell you, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you. I think people forget the last part of that. Everything you say can and will be used against you. People don't listen to the will be used against you. They think, well, it can be used against me.

And that's what we're watching when it comes to him. He never had to say that in public. He should have never said that in public. As a PR person, they were supposed to tell him not to say that in public, you know, he should have never said that in public as a as a PR person. They were supposed to tell him not to say that he's supposed to be trained not to say that because the whole purpose of them paying you the big bucks is to be a face. Right. So you don't get a lot of money for not being a franchise player. You get the money for being a franchise player.

And in order for you to demand these record breaking contracts, you're the face of something. So to actually say that you're not, it's just, again, a concept that has yet to be understood by this generation in a sense, they want the money, but they don't understand the responsibilities that come with the money they go hand-in-hand it's like you

can make a certain amount of money being one type of star then you make another type of money being another type of star and you got to be able to understand that hey if I'm making all this money from Walmart I can't be standing over here with an Uzi it's just you don't get to do both. It's just the truth. Unless you're, you know, with that group. Hey, Cam. And the exact question is what?

Yeah, basically, I know Ant-Man was being transparent about saying that he doesn't want to be the face of the league. Do you feel like he never should have said that, or you feel like... It goes like this. They're young. He's 22 when they probably asked him this question. He didn't just bust out and say,

I don't wanna be face-alike. Somebody asked him. So what happens is they take soundbites and they run with it. Like Major said, sometime what you say, it's okay not to answer questions. I tell people that all the time. Because somebody asks you a question,

that doesn't mean you have to answer the question. You can just say, I'd rather not answer that question. Let's move on. But at the end of the day, at a 22-year-old, what you gotta realize, some of these niggas is ignorant. And sometimes organized ignorant. I tell niggas, if I'm ignorant, I calculated my ignorance on purpose.

Don't just think I'm randomly ignorant. Talk about myself. But at the end of the day, when you're sitting there saying, he's the, see, what Mase said to me is two different things. I'm not saying that I'm not gonna do it myself. But at the end of the day, when you're sitting there saying, see, what Mase said to me is two different things. Being the face of the NBA is not being a franchise player because the franchise playery team, not almost every team that's good has a franchise player.

That don't mean you're the face of the league. The league is not paying me. The franchise is paying me. I don't want to do it, but I just said everything else that comes with being in the face of the league. Me personally, Ant-Man might have knew he had all this other shit going on. It might have been smart for him to say it, because you might want to make him the face of the league,

and then he paying child support up front for 18 years. He don't want to deal with babies that's his. You don't know what, you know, he's rude to the bitches. You know, so at the end of the day, you can't be none of that shit that he is and be the face of the NBA. The nigga after every game come up there with the linen hat tilted to the side, like you know,

he's piece up, eight tail down. He letting you know this after every game. So the extracurricular shit off the court may say he may be trying to do your favor. Like, yo, my nigga, you don't know what I'm really into. When I'm not in between these lines, I got some whole other shit going on where y'all may not want me to be the face of the league.

It was a clip going around, and I don't know if we ever talked about it. It was a clip going around, I believe we did, where a lady was in the store saying to her son, we're not gonna buy Ant-Man sneakers, because he don't like to take care of his kids. Because he don't like to take care of his kids. And I believe we talked about that,

but we did talk about it up here, because we was like, nah, that had to be the auntie or somebody or something like that. Yeah, that's wild. But if you got somebody in the store and they some more Ant-Man sneakers and you got mothers out here saying, we're not gonna buy the sneakers

because he doesn't like take care of his kids. He might be trying to tie himself up. It's more than that about to happen. I got some other shit going on. Trust me when I tell you, leave this face of the league shit alone. I got other shit going on. So to me, my personal opinion is this.

You got people who want to be, when we say face of the league, you have to think about this. That's another word for ambassador. You're an ambassador for the NBA. I don't want to be an ambassador. And then certain things help out. We sat there and talked about how last season, or whatever season it was,

how John Morant shouldn't have put the gun out, he gets suspended, he's not playing, he doesn't make all NBA team, then he gets back on the internet, shows the gun. What happens? His sneakers sell out in an hour. What we doing? Sneakers, fasted, just sold out faster

than when he was playing, when he wasn't playing. You gotta pick and choose, and when I say pick and choose, the society we in is kinda weird all around, the board, off the court, on the court, et cetera. So sometime you gotta figure out the situation you in and pick and choose what's best for your career. Yeah, great. Yeah, with that being said, he could still be the face.

Yeah, in this generation, you can still be the face. No, because I'm thinking about that, that's what I like when we say opposite points because they give different vantage points. Even for our listeners, they get to enjoy that. With everything that you're saying you have to do for the face of the NBA, you actually have to do as the face of your team.

You just doing it in a smaller market sometimes. But I remember Kevin Durant and different people, Russell Westbrook and all of them, they're giving out turkeys in OKC. They're going to the the the orphanage at OKC. That's that's what the face of the league got to do. It's the same thing. So thinking of what you're saying, it is some validity to it, though, because, like you said, some people's sneakers come out

and they got stuff going on. So, all rules don't apply to everybody. Right. Yeah. And then just to clarify, I want to say the exact quote that Ant-Man said. So, he did say, I'm capable of being that guy, but I don't want to be that guy. Put it like that, I want to be the guy to just show up and hoop and just kills dudes and goes home.

We know that he pinpointed to Wemby as being face of the league. And when you compare, you know, Wemby's posting, hey, guys, I'm in New York. Meet me for a chess match. Like, not everybody wants to do that. I'm not saying you necessarily got to do that, but the clean-cut image is not for everybody. He might say he want to play chess

and the girl brothers show up, so he can't do that, you know? You got to move a different way. Let me ask you this, and I don't mind it. I'm just saying, I don't mind. But can the face of the league, I'm just giving you examples of what he's done this season. Beat the Lakers and walk around L.A. and be like, I sent y'all asses home. Everybody go in the house.

He walked around L.A. trolling fans and saying, yeah, pack it up. Y'all was saying, we gonna go home in five. We sent y'all home in five. Walking around the city. I don't think you could be the face of the NBA doing that according to what the face of the NBA should be. Like you said, there may be new standards now.

It might be a new day though. It might be a new day, who knows? Yeah, but that's not the clean cut face of the NBA that niggas is used to. So at the end of the day, no, I don't wanna be a face NBA. I wanna go around and troll niggas after we send niggas home and tell niggas they thought we was going home, we sent them home.

Yo, grab, grab, grab, Gevrolin and Hamo and let's walk around LA and troll niggas. Is that the face of the NBA? I don't know. I'm not, that's a, no, it's a question, but rhetorical. I really don't know. Hey, Jordan, Jordan gambled and our president said, grab a bottle of, you know.

Hey, yo, listen. He's the one in the presidency. I'm not laughing about it, but just the thing, that's a time win, I'm just saying that's a time when. Times have definitely changed. That's my favorite president. Oh yeah. Bill Clinton.

I'm not talking about Trump, I thought you meant, you said grab out a pussy, you talking about Trump, but I'm thinking about Bill Clinton was getting head in the side office, smoking weed and all that, that was my nigga. And Hillary was with it. Not with it, but she dealt with it. Mind you, that was supposed to be private though.

No, but I know it. I studied politics. That was supposed to be private though. Like it's not like they flaunted that. And then it happened. It was like, dang, we're here. See the thing about it is that it's a different thing studying it and it's a different thing living it.

Living it, that's true. Wasn't outside when that shit was going on. Yeah, you know, he said he didn't have, and he said he didn't have relations. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying, like, he was tied in that, though. And he said he didn't inhale.

He definitely said that. And he was the face of the whole, the whole country. That's what I'm trying to say, it's a different day, he was the face of the whole country. That's what I'm trying to say, it's a different day. He was the face of the country. And now we got another face of the country, so this is what we're saying. That nigga was getting ahead from his side drink

and smoking weed and denying it all, and they want them peace to the nigga, but he stood tall. But I'm not saying you don't know what happened, but being there, it's like for instance, right? When niggas be talking about joy and all that, I know young niggas be like, oh my God, enough with the joy and shit.

But to be in it, like right now, right? For instance, right? Let's just think about 30 years from now. Yeah. And the niggas don't go nowhere. And you sit there and remember, you're alive now to see how crazy niggas is going. So if niggas don't go crazy again,

you trying to explain it to somebody in 30 years, and they be like, all right, in 2025, the niggas was acting, wow, we get it. But explaining it and being there or seeing it is different from trying to explain it to somebody. So I'm not saying y'all know what you're talking about, but sometimes just being in the essence of it. Yeah.

They've been like that since the 1990s. We can remember them being like that over and over, even before that, Bernard King running out the side of the locker room, halfway hurt. 83, 84, seven, eight years old. Yeah. And they've been this crazy since without winning. Yeah.

What you saw the other day. You say there's nothing. Since the 80s. Yeah. That we can remember not winning, actually. Getting that crazy year after year. Yeah. You get tired.

No, but what I'm saying is, my point is, yeah, they do get crazy, but what's going on is, as the Knicks win more, the level of crazy gets crazy. Yeah, niggas standing on buses with their shirt off. To get to this round, this crazy that's going on in New York wasn't the crazy that went on last round. It's a new crazy. It's an Eastern Conference championship crazy.

It's a second round crazy. Like May said, all year round, these nigg Conference Championship crazy. It's a second round crazy. Like May said, all year round these niggas is crazy. But the more it gets, the further they get. Look, nigga Simmons on the phone, I'm not supporting this or nothing, but if the niggas make it to the championship, he just said somebody might get shot. That's what he just told me on the phone

before we started the show, man. And you know what, I said, maybe. I'm not saying I want that to happen, not going on for somebody, but this is what's going on. That's why when they made the Brooklyn Nets, I didn't understand it. I was like, yo, this is too close right here, Paul. This is too close.

They doing too much. We already got a team in the city. That's why I never went to the Brooklyn Mets. I mean, okay. That's like the one team that's like an offer you. Yeah, you can't do it. I didn't even go for the Biggie celebration. I just couldn't do it.

Because the whole thing about it is this, outside of basketball, New York got two teams in everything. Two baseball teams, two hockey teams, two football teams. And they said, why not just do two basketball teams? We got two teams and everything else. True. Okay, so Thursday game two, Timberwolves versus OKC. Underdog has Julius Randall at 33 and a half points,

rebounds and assists. Do you have him higher or lower, Mace? I'm gonna go higher. It's a must win game. Everybody gotta show up, so what's the chances of him not having that much? He definitely gotta show up. I'm gonna go lower.

Okay, Devin Chenzo's at 14 and a half points, rebounds and assists, you have him higher or lower Cam? Who knows what this nigga, like my nigga, like, he could heat up or he could just be a male ginger. Like who fucking knows? I'm gonna go higher because he didn't play that well. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. Pause, I'm giving, I'm going lower.

I don't have no benefit of doubting. You know there's no benefit in doubting? Yeah, it's just a slogan, slaying. I don't know, you know more about sayings than me, but you know, it's a lot of sayings I don't like. I don't like who let the cat out the back. Who put the cat in the back in the first place? Exactly.

Who ever put the cat in the back? That's a good question. He's quit going on the street. That's a really good question. I like that, I like that. It's a lot of sayings. Who let the cat in the back, man? That's a really good question. I like that. I like that. It's a lie, sir. It's a lie. I would put the cat in the bag, man.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Then why I got the cake? What's the use of that? Why would I have the cake and I can't eat it, too? It's none of them shits that's just stupid to me, so. I know you just dumbass shit, so I'll take your word for it. That was good. I tried to talk about that.

That's another one of them know-it-all statements. So, I know you just dumb ass shit, so I'll take your word for it. That was good, I should have thought about that. That's another one of them know it all statements. My son said that one time, I said, you know what, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. He said, you know there's actually no benefit of the doubt. I'd be mad, like, thank you. That's good though, I'm gonna start saying that. Okay, SGA's at six and a half assists.

Do you have a higher or lower base? Oh man, I'm going higher. I think SGA just takes over this series. I expect Ant-Man to show up and I think it should be like the Clash of the Titans, but I definitely have him getting more than six assists. I'm gonna go low. Okay, make sure y'all download the underdog app

and you can make your picks too. We're gonna go to break. When we return, we will discuss expectations for Knicks versus Pacers. Don't go anywhere. An underdog, you can play your way to bigger boosts each round of the playoffs with the extended. Start a series by using your game one boost

and continue boosting each subsequent game. The longer the series, the bigger the boosts. Underdog, the best place to pick playoff basketball. Welcome back. So y'all are just going to get straight to it. Nick's versus Pacers game one to night Mace. What are your expectations? My expectations being that it's in New York for it to be crazy. All of the new Nick fans cut it out

Your jinx and the Knicks the Knicks the Knicks need all the good support they need That's why I didn't wear my next stuff today, you know, I'm not really a Nick fan I wish them well. Oh, my. Wow. I wish them well. I'm supporting from afar, you know what I'm saying? I'm with them in spirit, even though I'm not there personally.

And I think the Knicks, I think the Knicks should be okay the first game, but I don't want to see this Knick team spiral. It would be disheartening for the whole city. But I got a good vibe that the Knicks, they'll go to seven. They'll go to seven. For a lot of people don't know, because it's been a long time, this was a really big, maybe I will say rivalry

like in the 90s, like the Knicks of Indiana, people don't remember the Chuck Persons and the Dale Davises of Indiana. Davis brothers. Yeah, exactly like Rick Smiths, they had an Indiana, had a really good team. They made it to the championship one year, they lost that year.

They beat the Knicks to go to the championship, but they lost. But it looks like after they threw a garbage bag at the Indiana Pacers reunion, it's back up again, nigga, it's up. So what I'll say is this, I just don't want the moment. And it looks like Jalen Brunson is cool, calm, and collective. Anthony Towns played in the conference finals last year,

even though it was on the West Coast. What they gotta realize is even Anthony Towns, I say Anthony Davis, pardon me, Anthony Towns, played in the Western Conference finals last year. What they gotta realize is this, take a deep breath, pause, and relax, because it don't matter if you played in the Western Conference Finals,

whether it was in Dallas or Minnesota, it is not gonna be like Madison Square Garden tomorrow. That shit is gonna be on another level and everybody has to just be in the moment and not get caught up in the circus that's revolving around the game. Because tomorrow's gonna, the whole Eastern Conference fight's gonna be a zoo.

Knicks coming in with outfits and they're all tight. It's gonna be, mark my words, it is gonna be a zoo tonight when this game goes on. Not basketball-wise, everything's surrounding it. You can imagine the A-list celebrities right now fighting for tickets to go to this game. So what I'll say for the Knicks is just don't get caught up, too caught up in the moment

of adrenaline, excitement, pause, cause that's the only reason we want revenge from the other day when he said the wild shot. He's been reaching. But what I'll say is just for game one, don't get, you know, it's gonna be nerves, but hopefully they settle down by the end of the first. But my prediction, I agree with Mase,

this is going seven, maybe six, but if I have to make a prediction, I'm gonna go with the Knicks. The reason I'm gonna go with the Knicks is that last year they went seven games, OG is hurt, Julius Randall is hurt, wasn't no Carl Anthony Towns. Jalen Brunson got hurt during the series, and they took them seven games.

Indiana basically has the same team that they had last year, and everybody's healthy on the Knicks. I think the only problem with the Knicks, and me and Peshawd the Big Church, this in the building, that we were saying that the only problem with the Knicks is that where they may run into trouble

is their bench. Thibodeau doesn't trust the bench. That's what church, you know, I thought that too, but being church was just talking about before the show. You give Campania as a different, a decent, pardon me, a decent game, and then the next game you give them three minutes. You know, McBride is the only one that he really trusts that comes off the bench.

So you playing with six players and the rest of the team isn't in rotation. You got the garden chair in PJ Tucker's name to get in the fucking game. They need PJ. So Tom Thibodeau doesn't trust his bench. So the only problem I see for the Knicks not saying that Indiana is somebody they should just look over

because to be honest with you, my personal opinion is Indiana is the most cohesive team that's left because they're playing together. Turner, the center's playing good. Taupins is coming off the bench playing good. McConnell's coming off the bench playing good. Tyrese Halliburton, he doesn't have to score 40 to be effective in the game, not just offensively, defensively.

They're very cohesive, and they use their bench. The only problem I see for the Knicks is that Thibodeau doesn't use the bench, and he burns his players into the ground. So if you run into foul trouble, Josh Hart get three fouls in the first half, or Jalen Brunson gets two three fouls in the first half. Carl Anthony Towns, then you don't trust your bench

and then you may put players in there that may not be able to produce points. Because Mitchell Robinson, he's great defensively, but he's not gonna get you 25, 30 points. So that'll be the only problem for the Knicks that they don't use their bench and Thibodeau doesn't trust them. It's to the point where one of the games,

Rick Brunson, Jalen Brunson's father is telling them, yo, take niggas out. The last game they played against Boston, they were up 25 and he had the starters in with two minutes of some change left. And niggas was like, yo, get niggas out. Let niggas get a stand ovation, not just a stand ovation. Let's pray nobody gets hurt in the last two minutes.

So I think that'll be the only problem for the Knicks. If we're playing competitive, nobody gets hurt, mano y mano, I'm going with the Knicks. But in the end, there's nothing to look over, not at all. For sure. And I think before we move on, we definitely got put some respect on Rick Brunson name. I was watching some videos of Rick Brunson

training Jalen Brunson and they was about to fight and he was telling them to do everything he's doing right now in this series. I thought that was like a remarkable piece to look back and say that his dad was practically forcing him to be the player that he is right now. And he's like, no, you make this shot. No, you do it from here. And then looking at the game, he's doing that same move is like really surreal. That was really beautiful. Yeah. What I say is this for Rick Brunson, and he's super duper smart.

He he's never duper smart. He's nepotism, n'ave a way. Reverse nepotism, I don't know what you call it. You should, you should, son. Seriously. I'm dead serious, cause you gotta think about this, listen. To Mesa's point, that was great. That was a great take,

cause I was doing some due diligence on it as well. Rick Brunson, of course we know he played in the NBA. The reason, and no disrespect to the people I'm about to say, but he wants to do more than just be on the sideline cheering for us. He don't wanna be T. Moran. He don't wanna be LeVar Ball. I'm in here.

I made this happen for us. Rick Brunson, when Jayalen Brunson was in high school and being recruited, and he was picking his teams of where he, pardon me, his schools or where he wanted to go. Temple was one of the teams, schools that Jalen Brunson was thinking about going to. They offered Rick Brunson the job.

He was gonnason the job. He was gonna get the job at Temple, but he got arrested for whatever he got arrested for. Temple was like, nah, we can't have you on coaching the team. You just got locked up for what he got locked up for. And Jalen Brunson said, oh well, well y'all are off the list for what schools that I might attend. They been manipulating this shit since high school.

This shit been planned out. It's like Braun and Brawny just the other way around. Now he's the coach of the Knicks when he couldn't even get a college coaching job for a minute because that's what happens. I don't know if it's still nepotism, but it's the other way. Reverse nepotism.

So shout out to Rick Brunson, absolutely. Right. And they're winning so you can Rick Burson, absolutely. Right. And they're winning, so you can't be mad at it though. Right. Yeah, it's just real funny because it's been what? Less than seven days, still to see you go from a Celtics fit to the whole next year. Yeah, that's how fast.

And you talking about you wish them well. No, no, no, stay where you at. Stay on him, pause. Look at Cam, that's the New York Minute. That's what happens in the New York Minute. We can change that fast. What are you? Let me tell you something,

I'm gonna be totally honest with you. I got all type of lovers in my closet. I just happened to pull the Boston level out. Niggas know I'm not a Boston subject. Everybody knows I'm a San Antonio Spur fan. And that's just that, but my real team is the Harlem Globetrotters. Outside of the Spurs, nigga, we never lose.

I'm not even mad at it. Wait, wait, let me ask y'all something. How far do y'all think the Knicks can go though? Do you think they could win it all? They're second to win it all now. OKC is favorites and the Knicks are actually second favorites. What I'll say is this though. Somebody from the Knicks is going to win a championship.

If Indiana go, OB Top in the win. If OKC win, Horst Niner get a win. And if Minnesota go, Julius Randall, Devin Chenzo get a win. So at the end of the day, y'all can go on that if the Knicks don't actually go. You can be like, niggas took our players. That's what Sin always, niggas got our players over there.

I said, Sin, you can't keep beefing about Minnesota having y'all players, and you got Minnesota players. Yeah, I ain't think about it like that. Yeah, nigga, what you talking about? So somebody who played for the Knicks is definitely gonna win the championship if the Knicks don't. And right now, are we in agreement

that the Knicks got the better of that trait with Devin Chinzo? I'm not. I think we still have some games to see. I'll say this, sorry, I didn't mean to control you. Yeah, no, you're good. Look, everybody's still in it. Yeah.

So the- And Randall just got busy, fuck. What I'll say is this, the matchup that I would like to see is Minnesota against New York. Yeah. Then you'll see who actually got the better of the trade. But to be honest with you,

so far I'll say this Macy's, that the Knicks got the better of the trade because they went further than they went last year. For now, today, I'm talking about May 21st, I'm talking about today. Because Minnesota was in the conference finals last year. Now, Minnesota get to the championship, we don't know. So to me, it's still to be determined.

Okay, so now we're gonna switch gears to WNBA, some pretty deep conversations over just a regular game. So, Kaitlyn Clark got a flagrant foul on Angel Reese after a hit in the Fever versus Sky game. In the game, Angel Reese attempted to approach her and said, what the fuck is wrong with you? Meanwhile, Kaitlyn's teammate, Aliyah Boston, is trying to hold Angel back.

Angel's kind of pushing her out the way, just trying to get at Kaitlyn. After the game, Kaitlyn said it was just a to get it. Kaitlyn, after the game, Kaitlyn said it was just a good take foul. Either Angel gets a wide open two points or we send them to the free throw line. Basically, people have been going back and forth about this all week, all day.

Mace, what was your opinion on what happened? What was your thoughts on the play? And then how did you feel about Angel Reese's reaction? Um, because I saw this and I talked to a few people, there's several narratives right now floating through the ghetto, right? Right now, this is what the ghetto is saying. You know, they've been doing this to black guys

the whole time, so it's just now made it to the women that a white person is pushing you down. So that's the first thing they're saying in the ghetto. The second thing they're saying is this is- What ghetto do you be in? What ghetto is this? What ghetto is this, bro? I just know I want to know what ghetto this is coming from. Is it in America?

I know you've been all over the world. What ghetto is this coming from? My bad, I didn't want to cut you off. I'm just trying to get the origin of where this is coming from. Okay, should I say my ear to the street? Is that better? My ear to the street, this is what they say in the street. The street don't have to be the ghetto.

The ear to the street can be where there's rich people at. Why don't you go straight to the ghetto? My bad, I ain't got you on my bad. Let me finish here with the ghetto side. Okay, well the first thing they're saying in the ghetto is that the way she was pushed down by Kaylan Clark is the way black men's been pushed down a long time by white people.

So that was the first thing. No pun intended. The second thing, I think this shows that there is a pure hate that Reese has for Caitlin Clark. I'm not sure if this has something to do with the LeBron picture or the Michael Jordan comment, but this shows that there is something real between them too.

And the third thing I looked at from my own vantage point is that. Is that she fouled somebody else really hard before Caitlin pushed her. So she pushed a member of the fever and then Caitlin pushed her. So it wasn't just Caitlin pushed her. So she pushed a member of the Fever and then Kaitlyn pushed her. So it wasn't just Kaitlyn pushing her, it was also you pushed my teammate super out of the way. And now you look like you're trying to get an easy basket after they let you go with a foul.

And now she fouls her really hard. So I saw both of those things. But did he answer the question? No, that's what I'm gonna ask you again. But did he answer the question? No, that's what I was gonna ask you, dad. It took me a second to kind of, what did you, you, not the ghetto, not the streets, Mace, what did you think of Angel Reese's reaction?

Oh, I think, I thought her reaction showed that I agree with the ghetto. I agree that, that, you know, she got some animosity towards, towards Katelyn Clark. And because the way she got up, it was a foul, but it was, I didn't see it as that crazy of a foul. I think she was trying to, you ever try to foul somebody hard,

but you're not strong enough to catch them. So they fall and it's some acting in there too, to make it look like it's more than what it was. Yeah, I agree with what May said in the beginning, not to get her, I don't know what get her, I don't know that. But what happened is, and that's the problem, they're not showing it.

This is what I'm talking about. If you watch the news, and not really the news, I'm talking about growing up watching the news, because now the news is on your feed. They will start the news off the 5 o'clock news, 6 o'clock news, 11 o'clock news, where there's been a murder, or there's a fire in this building. It's not the good part.

They only save like six minutes of good part towards the end of the news. It's all drama when the news first comes on. You go to the shade room for drama. Sometimes they show some good shit. You go to the shade room and you sit there and say, so and so donates this, donates that. It's 2,000 likes. Niggas fight and shoot and whatever,

200, 300,000 likes of comments or whatever, because everybody's opinionated on drama. Great point when Mace said, they're not showing that Angel Reese filed to shit out this girl before Caitlin Clark actually filed to her. They keep showing that Caitlin Clark filed to me. The shit that Angel Reese did was worse than what Caitlin Clark did.

Caitlin Clark, it wasn't bad. She pushed this bitch out of bounds so she could get a rebound. Then Caitlin Clark actually, if you look at it, looked at the ref like, yo, you ain't caught that? And then foul time. Angel Reese falls, gets up, Caitlin Clark walks away, and now we're still talking about this five, six days later.

You know, at the end of the day. So nobody remember Angel Reese doing this after she won the championship, and Caitlyn Clark's face as she had to take all that. What we wanna do is make it a race war, and it's a right and wrong thing to me personally. I wanna make it a race war. I don't wanna make it a race war.

That is the one I asked. No, I'm just saying, like, right now, shout out to Ryan Clark, and him and RG3 are going through some shit, and it's turning racist, you know what I'm saying? Because RG3 got a white wife, and Ryan Clark had to take it to where, all because of this foul, and Ryan Clark's my man, I don't remember, I have a real fan of his,

I like his journalism and his work, from him becoming a football player to where he's at in journalism is really amazing. But his take was, we're talking about a foul and this shit turned into a whole black woman growing up, what they had to go through and struggle and they just don't see it. And I'm not saying black women didn't,

but this is all from a foul. It turned to a foul and to Rosa Parks. Who said that about the black women growing up? I'll read it after, because I have it for you. All right, we'll talk about that in a minute. All right, cool, we'll talk about that in a minute. But I was going to put that in my take. But back to the foul, these two been beefing since college,

to be honest with you. And to me, Angel Reese, and not even to me, it's really facts, but she vocalizes how the reason people love America or beyond America love Caitlin Clark is because Caitlin Clark needed a bad guy for you to love her. And she says she was the bad guy. She has no problem being the bad guy. To Angel Reese's quote unquote good guy,

good guy, good girl, you know, whatever. And she's like, I play that role, but I know Caitlin Clark wouldn't be where she's at if it wasn't me. And even Angel Reese, like Angel Reese, she's a little braggadocious, man, you know what I'm saying? But because she's black, and we're talking about black and white and everything,

and like I said, I'm not taking color out of it. I like braggadocious, I like people who pop shit. I don't have a problem with it. But what I'm saying is, when you braggadocious, sometimes people don't like that. Because she's black and white, black people gonna have a side. But what I'm saying is she sits there and says,

in 25 years I know niggas is watching the NBA cause of me. And WNBA part of me cause of me. I'm not saying verbatim what she said, but it was something to that extent. When little girls is growing up and everybody's, he says it's not a coincidence now, everybody's watching the WNBA and everybody's doing this, doing that. Because she feels that she's the counterpart

to what Caitlin Clark is doing. To me, all this shit is over a foul, bro. They stretching it. We talking about this shit done went into American history and black history and civil rights and all that other shit. It was a hard foul. To me, the foul was deserved. that shit done went into American history and black history and civil rights and all that other shit. It was a hard foul. To me, the foul was deserved.

It was be a layup if you didn't get the foul. Wasn't no blood on the play. But if you look at the play before it actually happened, Angel Reese pushed the shit out of the girl on the fever. And that's what led to the foul. I think it's really silly to be racist, actually, black or white, because a lot of black women wear white people here and a lot of white girls want black girls, but so I think it I think they both like each other

in some kind of way. I don't even get the correlation, but we'll feed into kind of what Ryan Clark and RG3 said because it is trending and I want you guys' opinions. So RG3 made a comment saying, after watching Kaitlyn Clark's flagrant foul on Angel Reese and the aftermath, there's no way Angel Reese can continue the lie that she doesn't dislike Kaitlyn Clark. I know what hatred looks like.

Angel Reese hates Kaitlyn Clark. Not some basketball rivalry hate either. It's hate. So then Ryan Clark responded, and this is what Cam was saying. The one thing we know about RG3 is he's not having conversations at his home about what black women have to endure in this country, about what young black women and athletes like Angel Reese have had to deal with being

on the opposite side of Kaitlyn Clark's rise and ascension into stardom. So yeah, what do you think about their discourse? Because there's a whole other thing going on. And obviously, there's more that's been said, but these are the two main quotes. I am a firm believer, because that's a pet peeve of mine as well.

I do not like people to talk up like they're for black people that have a non-black spouse. That's just a personal preference of mine that I don't understand. I don't understand how personal preference of mine that I don't understand. I don't understand how you speak for people that you don't prefer. I never understood that, whether it's a black intelligent woman

that has a Caucasian husband, not that there's anything wrong with her having a Caucasian husband, but I think at that point, to be divorced for black people, you gotta be excluded from that. We have great artists that tries to go on black rants, but then you marry all white women.

I think that kinda excludes you from being the voice of black people when you don't prefer them yourself. So to actually stand up for something you don't prefer is kind of like oxymoron to me and to my intellect. As far as what RG3 says, really? Yeah, what did you think? Oh, you want me to read it again or just the question?

Just the question. Yeah, basically, what did you think, you know, Ryan Clark's correlation was to what RG3 had to say about Caitlin Clark injuries, the hate thing? I said it already. Like I said, RG3 is a great journalist, especially what he does on ESPN, the Pivot, so on and so forth.

But I just thought all of this over a foul. What I took from that, to be totally honest with you, is that RG3, pardon me, Ryan Clark never liked RG3. Because he started saying that he ain't like, he said, you're a terrible, he said, Ryan Clark said, yo, you was a terrible teammate on the field, and a terrible teammate off the field when we was on NFL Live or PSPA or whatever.

So I'm taking it that he never liked RG3, and he said, and he basically finally felt the reason to let him know that he didn't like RG3. That's how I took it, because, but then RG3 doubled back and said, yo, you crossed the line talking about my wife, this, that, and the third, and you went too far. And ESPN, they should be ashamed to have you up there. I now, what I took from that was you try

and get the nigga fired. Yeah, definitely. He wasn't even on ESPN when he said it. He was on his show, The Pivot. It wasn't even an ESPN thing. But I believe that RG3 may be better because he got let go from ESPN. But for what Ryan Clark said, the way I take it is this.

He never liked RG3 and he'd been looking for a reason to tell niggas he don't like RG3. And this was the door that opened so he could say his real feelings about him. For him to say, you was a terrible teammate on and off the field and on TV too, this sounds like he'd been wanting to get this off his chest. Called him corny too.

He said, you corny and all type, you just dissing him. Yeah, it definitely went in multiple different directions where it didn't need to go. And like you said, Ryan Clark definitely did take the opportunity to throw a jab at RG3. But as far as RG3's initial comments, I just feel like it was a little tone deaf because I just feel like, you know, people feel some type

of way about Angel Reese for certain types of things. And then the platform that you have being a media person, I think feeding into the constant negative narratives that she gets for something like, you know, yes, I do think that Angel Reese overreacted, but in that moment, in the heat of the moment, they're trying to win the game, don't know what was going through her head. She's probably pissed off because she's like, you know, yes, I do think that Angel Reese overreacted, but in that moment, in the heat of the moment, they're trying to win the game, don't know what was going through her head.

She's probably pissed off, because she's like, I know this girl just ain't hit me like that. Even though it shouldn't be that serious, but whatever was going through her mind, she acted on impulse. What do you think went through her head? Because you keep saying that. What went through her head?

In the spur of the moment, when she was thrown down to the ground, and she looked up and it was Mind you the media already does this whole thing with them. That's annoying. Okay, but what went through our heads that Black girl power There's some wordsga, I know you. No, but what I'm saying is- Yo, that foul wasn't even that crazy. Yo, was just saying, Staz, you'd be like,

I got fouled, you look up, oh, it's you, so go crazy? That's what you're saying? No, I'm saying in the spur of the moment, when she looked down at Katelyn Clark, and it's like they already have a rivalry, like just like, I don't know, the rivalry that y'all had when y'all were in school and stuff like that, certain teams, yeah, it's gonna be more fire, but I don't think that's gonna insinuate hate when y'all were in school stuff like that certain teams Yeah, you're gonna it's gonna be more fire

But what I'm trying to hate what I'm trying to say it is hate you know I think I think the term some people growing up. I hate it. That's fine I've gotten past it a little bit, but I Feel the way I felt about it which is fine and that's where we go back to the different lens between living through things and seeing things, because I've never in my life ever said I hated somebody, and that's just me, because I don't use those, there's certain words,

there's trigger words that I'm not gonna use because I don't feel that way. So when she got up, did she say, I greatly dislike you? This is that cat in the back. No, she didn't say, I dislike you. She just said, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is just the shit that stat do when it's black female athletes. No, because. And she sticks with them, and I get it. That just said, what the fuck is wrong with you? This is just the shit that Stat do when it's black female athletes.

No, because. And she sticks with them and I get it. That's not even what I'm saying though, because I said she overreacted. Oh, okay, my bad. I thought you said this. You're holding her accountable, Stat. Finally, okay, my bad, Stat.

She's your good job, Stat. Stat, you're holding her accountable. Good job, man. Can I finish? Good job, man. Can I finish? Yeah, you're a public figure. Can I finish?

What I'm saying, I said Angel Reese overreacted. I don't know what went through her head when it happened, but I'm sure spur of the moment, she was frustrated. But the term hate is a strong word. And so I think for RG3 to then see that play, make a whole two paragraph thing about Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark. Like you already know the narratives that people feed in. I just feel like with your platform,

why would you feed into that knowing that people quite literally discredit her when she doesn't even probably hate anybody? She's a competitor. I'm in agreement with you. I'm saying even RG3's comment can be seen as hate because he don't prefer black women To some people. I didn't even get to that part yet, which that is also your opinion

I do think the messenger matters. That's not my that's not my opinion. But you did say that's what the ghetto says No, you said that you said because you don't agree with certain people who have certain partners You don't feel like they should be allowed to speak on certain things and that's fine. No, that's a fact. Exactly. We're on the same page. I'm confirming what you said. I'm not saying that. No, I'm saying it.

The messenger matters. The messenger matters. Because I fuck white bitches, y'all blacker than me? That's also not what I said. I'm just asking. I'm asking. I'm not saying I'm asking y'all now. Because y'all fuck black bitches, I fuck white bitches, y'all are blacker than me.

You can say yeah, if you want, I'm just asking, if that's how you feel. That's a good point, that's a good point. The difference, and I'm not changing this, because it's you. No, I know that. The difference between you is that you don't just do white women.

Okay, yeah, I'm not here. If all you did was a white woman, is that you don't just do white women. Okay, yeah, I'm not here. If all you did was a white woman, and then you come up here saying, fight the power, you can't do that. All right, all right, cool. I'll give it. You get what I'm saying?

That's what niggas be doing. All right, cool, I just wanted to know. Oh, for the people. How are we for the people? You ain't for the people. I don't want to be the ambassador for the black people. You don't want to be the face of the league? You don't want to be the ambassador?

I don't want to be ex-Clan. I don't want to be brother J. Yeah, so he was ex-Clan. And then we find out you married Trista. Yeah, I did that with brother J. I got you, I got you. Brother J, listen my brother, the newbie in power and all of that,

and then he walk in with Trista. What we gonna say? Yeah, like don't drink that juice in the hood. And shout out to Trish, yeah. But that nigga, that character from Don't Drink, the Minister of Society parody. Yeah. He was a super duper Muslim and

Don't Drink the Juice in the Hood, one of them shit, that shit was hilarious. So when he gets, so when RG3 gives his take because of that is his reality, it makes his commentary comes across as vague and pretty much desensitized, you know, and sometimes that's the case. So that's what I'm interpreting Ryan Clark

was trying to say. I just think regarding the relationship that didn't get translated well, because I do agree with you, but I also don't think that his opinion should be discredited because he's married to a white woman. But at the same time, it's like, if you always have certain comments that look a certain way,

and then you're never really around us and that type of thing, it's like, okay, where is this coming from? So, like, to that point, like, I do agree, but also he's allowed to make a statement. I just don't think that he should feed into the narratives that we already know are, like, annoying, because that isn't... Yeah, I think he's still got a voice,

just maybe on a different subject, you know? Yeah, just on a different subject. Like, I'm gonna ask you something, right? This is just a question. Like when, like women get their hair done, right? Where do they mainly get their hair from? I don't know. Okay.

Malaysia. Malaysia. So it would be like- Out of hair company. Yeah, it would be like talking against, it would be like talking against Malaysia while having Malaysian hair in your head and trying to be a voice against Malaysia

while you're wearing Malaysian hair. That would look crazy. To the person that knows you're wearing Malaysian hair. Kind of like cultural appropriation to an extent. Exactly, cultural appropriation. That's a great word. Thank you, stat, for your journalism. That's what I do.

But I don't see the correlation. This might have to be continued because I do think this is a good conversation. But I see where you're going. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he can't culturally appropriate. Like, he's still a black man. But I get what you're saying. But also, he is still a black man, so he get what you're saying, but also he is still a black man, so he can make those comments,

but it's not sounding right coming from, it's the messenger. It's the messenger. Okay, we're on the same page. My point is this, is that RG3 to me is smart, cause I didn't even know RG3 had a podcast, now we up here talking about RG3. Niggas gotta know what be click baiting,

what niggas wanna grab and make stories and so on and so forth. I see RG3 since he got canned from ESPN. Now we sitting up here for 15, which is a great topic, for 10, 15 minutes talking about RG3 and Ryan Clark. When's the last time you brought up RG3 name? But because he's talking about Angel Reese or Caitlin Clark, now it's a topic.

Salute to you for getting the clickbait, nigga. But. Was the real problem that his wife was in the background with the tea, not in her head, was that the real problem? Well, I mean. I didn't see that, that's more spice. That was the real problem. That's more fire.

She was in the back with the tea, not in her head when he was popping off and that made it up, you know what I'm saying? Oh, so she put him up to it. That's what it look like. That's what the streets is saying. That's what the ghetto is saying. Yeah.

They put him up to it. To be continued. What's her name? But I don't know. And we not even gonna believe it. Shout out to it. Shout out to Ron Clark. Shout out to RG3. Yeah.

And all the people that like what they like. Yeah, I don't know. Like we all said, it was literally just a foul and it came to all this, but shout out to them for getting one of the most views in a WNBA game in recent years. There's a lot more to come, but that is all the time that we have for today.

Thank y'all for watching. And as always, it is what it is. Thanks for watching!