Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 651: Pity The Fool

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews Netflix's Mr. T documentary, and AEW Dynamite! Plus Jim looks at his Mid-South schedule during the Last Stampede, and talks about Dave Meltzer's star ratings, Keith Lee's guru, what his father would have thought about his career in wrestling, Trump's $5k giveaway offer, and much more! Thanks to our episode sponsors: PRIZEPICKS:  Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/JCE and use code JCE and get $150 if you win your first $5 lineup! ULTRA:  Don’t sleep on @ultrapouches. New customers get 15% Off with code JCE at takeultra.com! #UltraPouches #ad HEXCLAD:  Find your forever cookware @hexclad and get 10% off at hexclad.com/JCE! #hexcladpartner Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's Jim Cornett. The keys to the future. Talk about what AEW gets right. And then when they get something else really wrong, we're going to talk about what Bill Dundee did right about booking Mid-South wrestling. And it's my last Jim Cornett experience before a major milestone.

All that and more. me. Hawaiian Brian to podcasting line the king of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. co-host to you, the man who's never wrong. He thought he was wrong once, but he was mistaken. Be great, Brian last, everybody.

Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again. I hit the song a little late because I was listening to you, wax on, and now we will wax off. Now, this is your show. This is your show, and I'm really happy about it. I have nothing today. Well, at least you admitted it at the top of the progress. anything from this point forward from you,

any contribution to the proceedings will be a gift, a manna from heaven is what you're saying. You're just, you're there to, you've had problems with your inner webs. You got unfuncified. Your internet wasn't funky like a monkey no more for a while there. You've been stressing and pulling out the hairs that are upon your head.

And do you still have hairs on your chinny, chin? Oh yeah, there's a bunch of them. Well, pull him out too. This is my last... You're slapping something. He's slapping something. I hear it. I hear it.

You goddamn super hearing motherfucker, Matt Murdoch, daredevil, your goddamn, what sense did you lose to gain... Excuse me, I have pro wrestling Neil Purt on the other side of the line here. Just, all right. So, well, I'm telling you with a vehement streak in my voice and slamming. my pen upon the desk. I was about to tell you, it's my last Jim Cornett experience before I'm officially over the hill, good for another, ready for the glue factory, a senior citizen. One week from today, as we sit here right now, I will be 65 years old for a day instead of still 64

and narrowly just skirting under the point of no return. I'm not sure I'm pleased. I'm pleased, about it. The Medicare didn't turn out to be as free as I thought it was going to be. I don't eat in enough restaurants to really profit that much from the senior discount. What else do I get besides grief and a feeling of impending doom when I hit a milestone like 65 years old? I don't know. What do you get? I don't know. Bubkus, apparently. I was saying, is there any other good fucking side effect of that? People opened doors for you? No.

I still look so young. They really, you know, I'm ambulatory. They don't really look at me and say, well, he needs help. I mean, it's pretty crazy when you think about what a 65-year-old looked like 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago versus what they look like today. It's night and day. well that's because you're looking at me at night that's why I look better it's dark anyway I got we got some good news though right here at the top of the program right here at the top right here on top of this thing I'm just I'm not going to take you a bit

seriously today get off your organ stop touching it but right here at the top of the program I've got one piece of good news over the last couple of day. You know, the maggots, they had their convention in Dallas, their midterm convention, where they tried to desperately to fucking gin up some enthusiasm for their insanity, and it's the same tired old people. But the good news is not only was the building not full, but Donald Trump has promised, ladies gentlemen, around the world, it has come to this now.

The supposed president of the United States has promised, well, if the Republicans win the midterms, I'm going to send every adult American citizen, $5,000. So he's trying to buy votes for

$5,000 apiece. The total cost, by the way, of that, if he were to do it, which, of course, it's not ever going to happen. It's not even possible to happen, much less legal to happen. We'd be $1 trillion. He called it a dividend.

A dividend is a distribution of profits. And we make it a profit over here this country, especially since he's bombed people, started wars, cut taxes for all of his billionaire friends. He's added trillions to the national debt already. And this would add another trillion if it was possible to do, which it's not because he doesn't have the power to do it. And also, he's a lying bullshit con artist

that he doesn't mean to do it to begin with. he just thinks the ever dwindling number of suckers that are biting this fucking worm that he's tossed in on this hook will come and bail out his buddies so that he's got two more years to steal billions and billions of dollars for him and his criminal family. But to good news, as I said, Brian, is that since now that he's said that,

and everybody, that's another thing. He really thinks he can't lose Because if they do lose, which they're going to the midterms, he can just, well, it's the Democrats' fault. I would have done it. But he knows that the people that are still there, 33 percent need to be psychoanalyzed heavily and studied under closed environment. Still believe this shit. And that's the lowest so far. And he's desperate.

That's the good news. They're desperate making these offers. and I've watched a couple of these speakers at this thing, Brian. I'm hoping you didn't subject yourself to any of it. But they are up there screaming. If the Democrats win, they'll tear apart everything that we've accomplished. Yes, that's exactly why the Democrats are going to win so that they can start tearing down everything that you've,

I can't say the word, accomplished, everything you've done. but it's going to be a long process, I would say decades, because for two years we're not going to have a functioning government, because the best we can hope for now, since this fucking charlatan pig, fraud, con man, repugnant, reprehensible criminal has cast this spell over these simple-minded, delusional, and easily led morons. For two years, the Democrats win the House and the Senate,

they just block everything he tries to do. Nullify him. That's the best we can hope for. But not to have a functioning government for two years will be preferable to what the fuck we've had for the past two years, because what they've accomplished is starting wars, bombing people,

cutting funding to cancer research and fucking humanitarian aid and poor people to give the billionaires more money and let's not forget the murdering of people in the streets by ice. So we need to just nullify this fucking pig. He can take a fucking 24-hour nap at that point because he won't be able to do anything if they tie him up for two years.

And then when we get rid of porky, then it's going to take years and years and years to look at everything he did and undoes. it or reverse it if possible. Some things are obviously going to be shot to hell beyond repair. Then find all the people that he appointed or hired because they're all either crooked, fanatical, or incompetent, and fire them the fuck out of wherever. And then you've got to track down to people that they hired and appointed in places because

they've infiltrated every form of government and civil service. if the FBI or the Department of Justice was still honest like it was before this fucking idiot showed up, they could have descended on Dallas and just arrested more fucking criminals at one time since the days of Elliot Ness in Chicago. But it's going to take years and years and years to fix the damage. And the Supreme Court shot for fucking 40 probably. And 50 years from now, there will still be people out there. in the world that again still believe, regardless, some people believe the earth is flat,

and we didn't land on the moon, and there's going to be in 50 years, Trump was said by God. We could all hope he goes back to see the guy that sent him as soon as possible. So, but at least we're going to get five grand, Brian. I don't know about you. I mean, you're very negative.

I've been fucking living it up on my Doge dividends. I've been fucking driving around in my fancy car with fancy. women throwing money out to window. Dr. Jerry Graham style, burning $100 dollar bills. I'm just telling, I took all the money I got from all the tariffs. And I stuck, oh man, that was such a big help. That was such a big help. I stuck it in that coffee can and I buried it in the backyard. He said we're all going to love tariffs. He was so right. I never realized how brilliant

tariffs were. Just look on a tariff shelf. The government collects money. from American businesses. Oh, yeah, that's the end. And the end of cent. Yeah. By the way, by the way, they had to pay it back since it was found to be. You've heard, obviously, they've been.

Yeah, no, that was a little while ago, yeah. There was no way to pay the consumer back where the cost was passed on to them, but they had to pay the companies back for the tariffs that were illegal and also stupid. But nevertheless, that's what's going on. down area, but it'll take, I hate to be negative at top of the program, but you're a young man, Brian, in the prime of life, you ain't going to live long enough to see the end of the goddamn

plague that this, I don't even believe in God and the devil, demonic fucking fraud has perpetrated on the United States of America and the world, because we've fucked up a lot of other people along the way here. So we apologize again for that on behalf of all Americans world, because we're fucking idiots as a people. But you know what, Brian? We're not going to have to worry about all these bad things I just talked about. You know why? Why? Because a human race is going to be extinct in four years. Did you hear about this? Yeah, this was front page yesterday. Well, I didn't even, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't read the front page. I just, I saw it on the television. But what, you're more in tune with the technology of today and the internet and the

AI and the F you and all this stuff. But I'm, I'm just a small town bird lawyer, Brian. You know this. I'm hearing that the people who are developing this artificial intelligence, some of the people that are on the team that has been working on this, are doing the whistleblower thing. And they're so, oh, fuck, this could be, what did they say, some small chance, like 10%, that AI will get so artificially intelligent on its own that it'll just kill us all by the end of the decade.

That's four years from now. And these guys that are working on this thing don't look like they're old enough to have goddamn get carded at fucking McDonald's, and they're developing something that's going to bring an end to the human race. Help me here, understand it. I can't help you understand that AI is growing so fast

and getting just every day, bounds and bounds more and more AI. and unless you turn it off and I don't know how that happens at this point Well, but how is I... The article I read talked about how it will have the capabilities and likely decide to, I guess shut off the power grid, shut off the gas stations,

shut off the bank accounts, take all the money out of your bank account and then shut out your access to the bank account after your money's gone. Shut everything down. Traffic lights. Just fuck with everything. So yeah, it's a real promising future The idea this will be a giant planet of nothing Of no actual living beings, just things that are plugged in

But that's just unplug the fucking thing, right? Can you not just unplug the fucking thing So that it doesn't turn off the goddamn power Or the red lights and traffic lights and draw your money out? Again, it's not like AI is just one universal thing Every company has their own thing they're developing, and some of them, the only product they have is their AI. That one company, what is it?

With that guy, Sam Altman, have you ever seen someone that you're like, man, this guy has no sense of humanity? Just, he looks like geld off after the eyebrows came off in the wall. You know, just fucking crazy. But yeah, I worry about all this. This is all very scary. It's why I'm glad I still have my VHS tapes and things I'm going to be able to use. I mean, I do need the electricity.

Now, I ain't going to lie about that. And actually, if I didn't have Internet, I wouldn't have to really talk to you, would I? But I need the electricity. And, you know, water is nice, but actually, you know, I've got an old cistern. I could use it if I had to. I could open that thing back up, drill a hole in the floor,

whatever. But I don't understand. how you can build something that can get to fuck away from you like that. But if, indeed, if this is a plausible thing that might happen, I would, I would, what if, what if they said, hey,

there's an asteroid. It's going to be here in four years. So we got time to think about it. But if it hits us, it's over. We're fucking done, right? Wouldn't you think that there would be like a lot of projects geared toward banking that asteroid off the moon or something?

As fucked up as our government is, so just use the idea of a loose government that isn't the current one, you know, in the equation. But would you, if you were running that government, would you invest in taking all these things that were put online? offline, like the power grids and different things? I don't know what goes into that. So I'm just asking loosely, but if the problem is AI, because everything is technically a part of one network, can go and attack these things and liquidate these things or do whatever,

do you just take everything offline so that you're safe from any kind of online attack through AI? Again, just, you know, once again, I'd rather be litigating parrot law and you know, Cordell, Georgia. But if everything that we have in a way of power and things that you need to function in your life, we had that all before the internet, I would have, you got a generator. If the power goes out, you've got generators that can power your house while your regular power is out, I would have a backup switch.

okay, if we need to shut the internet off, here, all this shit's still going to work like it used to, boom, now we'll address that and then we'll flip the switch back if we have to. But there ought to be some type of backup. I know that's a very simplified concept, but nevertheless. But I'm old. I don't have to worry about any of this shit.

Somebody else's problem. Anyway, would you like to hear Brian real briefly from some of the listeners. We have some viewer mail, some people I wanted to recognize before we go any further. Ken, he doesn't say where he's from, but Ken wrote me, he said, today is a tough day, and this was probably about a week and a half ago. We had to put honey down. She was a sweet, calm, goofy girl her entire life until last week. when she started having seizures.

She was the easiest pet to take care of. She probably barked 10 times in 12 years, and she just wanted to be where her family was. And Ken, we're sorry about honey, and we're going to miss you. Honey Cruz was her name. At C-R-U-Z, not like Pablo. We're sorry. If you remember Pablo Cruz.

We're sorry for you lost, Ken. Yes. Well, Pablo Cruz was a very underrated artist. Hold on here. Also, from Craig, from Belfast, Northern Ireland. He had to say goodbye to his old mate Max yesterday. Max was allegedly 14 years old, a Yorkshire Terrier, but he said allegedly because he adopted him in 2015 and was told he was three,

but groomers had told him he looked closer as 17 than 14. But nevertheless, Brian. he used to listen to the podcast along with Craig. You know, they listen to them together, except it may be that, well, Craig says, I'd love to say he was a fan, but he's been completely deaf for a good while now, so he may never have heard either one of you. Maybe that's why he stayed in the room. Yeah, so he was lucky.

Yeah. But, it was, Max was there for every significant part of my adult life. two house buys the birth of my three sons and my engagement to my better half lend. And Craig, we're sorry about old Max. And also Stuart from Cambridgeshire sent me a package of old programs from the United Kingdom from the 70s.

And Adrian Streets involved also, but Johnny Eagles, even a bigger kick because Johnny Eagles was, obviously Johnny Marlin when I was a kid here in the Tennessee territory. But Stuart, thank you for the programs. And I'm going to get you something back in the mail for those. But also, I just, he lost, he says, what a string here. I lost my father in November.

My cat Schrodinger passed away in March. My father-in-law has terminal cancer and my mother-in-law has Parkinson's and dementia. So distractions from real life have been. welcome and the podcast bring a smile on a dark day. Stuart, all those things, have you ever thought maybe it's you? Oh, come on, I'll leave him alone. Well, I mean, I'm not sure I really want to get too much closer to Stuart. It's fucking dangerous.

What he meant to say was thanks for the programs. Yes, but thanks for the programs. And where was I going here? Oh, number four. off the cliff. Number four. See, I numbered these, so I'd remember which order. Question four.

No, this is from John, who again is not admitting to where he's from, possibly so we can't track him down or anything. But no, his parents, and this was like a week ago, had just had their 68th wedding anniversary. his father's 91 and his mother is 89 and we want to say happy 68th anniversary or wait a minute happy 68th anniversary to John's parents Brian go ahead yell happy happy anniversary Anyway, and he asked a question, and I thought, you know, I don't know. I don't know if I ever particularly thought in depth about this. We might just work it out live on the air. Jim doesn't know.

Libiddy-bibbidi. He said, here he said, he said, he asked, had your father not passed at an early, age, do you think you would have ever been in a position to pursue a career in professional wrestling? Because I don't know if you've ever spoken to him or spoken about him in terms of being a wrestling fan. And that actually, I mean, we've talked about some of the things that I might have done before

had I not had wrestling not worked out, but I don't know if we've ever examined for a second what he would have thought about all of this to begin with. And truthfully, as far as going to the wrestling matches, and me wanting to go and I think he would have got a kick out of it, maybe not 52 weeks a year, right? But we went to the Louisville Gardens to see the circus and the Globetrotters. And he was not opposed to going to see stuff like that.

He was not a stick in the mud. But there was no, as we've talked about, there was no wrestling in Louisville live when I was a kid. And it wasn't something I was really old enough to, you know, seek out on television. And he wasn't a regular viewer, obviously. And there wasn't a lot of TV in Louisville during that period of time, wrestling. Every once in a while, the Chicago show might pop up from TV listings that I've seen.

So he wouldn't have been opposed to me going to the matches or taking me the matches or whatever. It probably would have been an every week thing. But then I started thinking as far as me getting as deep as I did for it to become my career at the expense of quite a few other things, including obviously college, which probably would have been a big deal to him. what if Brian if I'd gone to him when I was 12 years old and said to him here's my plan

dad for my life I want you to start taking me to the matches at the wrestling matches at the Louisville Gardens every Tuesday night so that I can get in good with the local promoter and do odd jobs for her so that I can teach myself how to become a photographer

so that I can take over the merchandise business that kind of really doesn't even exist yet and end up grossing thousands of dollars a month at that for my entire teenage years on the way to them making me a participant where I would go on to have six figure a year positions in almost every major wrestling promotion in the country for the next 30 years. Okay? That's a hell of a run on, Meltzer. He probably would have been okay with everything except for the scaffold. But I think you probably should have presented it more as my plan is I'm going to teach myself how to take pictures.

And then I'm going to become the publisher. And I'm going to publish my own magazine. Because he probably would have related more to that from his background. Well, yeah, you've got something there. But I mean, it was just, it was preposterous. and there was no plan to it, but I started so early that I didn't need a plan. But I'm pretty sure,

definitely he would have insisted I concentrate more on school than wrestling. And if, you know, to the extent that I was involved with the business at early, I probably wouldn't have been doing that. But at the same time, Because I took the camera to the Globetrotters. I've mentioned, then it came out like shit because I was 100 feet from the basketball court with an Instamatic and a flash cube.

But with his, you know, with his background, I would have possibly been a photographer for the newspaper as well in writing or writing or writing something. I don't know that I never thought about being actually on television. I just like to watch it. I think wrestling gave me the, if not the desire to,

just the ability to be on television and or radio. But I, you know, I was writing and played with a camera before wrestling. So it may have been said, whether it was reporting or authoring or, you know, whatever the fuck. I don't know.

But that may have been that. And that would have cost me a lot of fucking money. You think you would have gotten as in the comic books? Yes, because I started buying the comic books. My dad is the one who insisted that I pay my cousin Larry 50 cents for that box of marvels and D.C.'s I got that started me out, that Avengers number one was sitting on top. of the stack. So I was already gobbling up these comic books before he passed away. He wanted me to

read because I was reading other shit too. And, you know, that was a party trick. He had me do. I would read out of some of his books off the shelf when he had his friends over when I was like five. I was I was dancing for pennies. What were the books? What kind of books? I can't even remember but it would be like an adult book it wouldn't be like C-Spot but he would read me shit and I would kind of know it and then you know he's here was it the old man in the

sea no we wouldn't like me goddamn fucking Greek thesaurus you son of a bitch it was just some eulis adult book anyway so that's probably what

what would have happened I don't know either that or I would have gone in in the business end and followed in his footsteps. Now, probably not because I've never had an affinity for mathematics. But you know, Brian, you know,

what happened as a result of me getting into wrestling business when I did? I was able to take pictures of all the great wrestling legends. Look at that segue. Just smooth as whale shit in an ice flow. And as part of the big holiday sale this year at Cornett's collectibles at Jim Cornett.com as we've been talking about

the past few shows. I am going to be featuring for the first time ever in modern times at least. If you were around 45 years ago, you could have picked this stuff up at the merch table for much less money, but then you might be dead by now. But you're going to be able to purchase my incredibly wonderful classic wrestling photography digitally remastered from the original negatives by Hotchka's Feather Bottom himself and printed on high quality photo paper. Two portfolios of 11, 8 by 10s each, the Memphis wrestling legends and the great wrestling champions. In Memphis, you've got obviously Jerry Lawler, Bill Dundee, Jimmy Valiant, Lance Russell, Dutch

Mantell, Tommy Rich, the fabulous ones, Jackie Fargo and Jerry Jarrett, Tojo Yamamoto, the Rock and Roll Express, and Jimmy Hart. in the great wrestling champions you obviously have with their title belts Harley race Jerry Lawler Nick Bockwinkle Dick the Bruiser Billy Robinson and Austin Idol Paul Orndorf Ken Petera Paul Ellering Rocky Johnson and Jimmy Valiant They each come in a folio with a certificate of authenticity and a fact sheet on the pictures

Those are going to be available this year limited editions of 250 each, because I know the high quality of merchandise collector will want a rare collector's item for Christmas. And we're also going to have by arrangement with Scott Teal's Crowbar Press, Hooker, the Lufez Autobiography updated by Scott Teal with new information from Kit Balman,

Lucez's co-author and 200-something pictures. That, by the way, is only going to be $20 for heaven's sake. Scott's giving these things away. And there's sale prices on all kinds of stuff, including the Santa Corny figure this year is stocking stuffers, $295. You can't beat that with a kendo stick.

And there's going to be some special things we're going to talk about next week because you're going to be able to see all of this stuff and get all the information. Hotchkiss has assured me at Jimcornet.com on Saturday, September 19th. The sale starts October 3rd, so you've got a couple of weeks to digest all the information. But it's going to be a wonderful year, a wonderful year, Brian, at Cornett's collectibles this year. and the portfolio's loan will please any classic wrestling collector. You can literally count the hairs on Dutchman Tels chest if you have that long to live.

I'm not sure. You better be under 30. Jimcornad.com. All right. Jimcornad.com. Hell of a plug there at the end. Well, you know, they should have had a contest. someday in back in the Memphis territory that you know guess the exact number of hairs on Dutch

Man Tells chest like the old guess the jelly beans in a jar thing it would have been I guess I'll just move along are you are you awake yes are you there listening to the wonderful Jim Cornett experience the wonderful fins that are coming out of my mouth where is my I got to find my button because I got we've we found somebody he's back he's back Brian we found somebody that we hadn't been able to find in a while Keith Lee has resurfaced have you you've heard about this I'm sure I just before we started to record I saw something online and then as we started recording the emails and the tweets started coming in and I have an idea but I I don't know too much.

Well, see, I'm always ahead of the game here, because I've been hearing about this for 15, 20 minutes now. But Keith Lee has apparently, and I've got an article here from a fellow named Aden Gibbons. This is, somebody sent this to me. I want to credit everybody in case they sue us, cultaholic, wherever there's always a hollick going on. Keith Lee has made his first social media post in almost a year

and he is endorsing a self-proclaimed consciousness explorer who believes the Egyptian pyramids were created using laser technology. Oh, interesting. He tweeted out a picture of himself sitting alongside Darius J. Wright, and this, there's a picture. I'm seeing the picture here. He he's either waving to the camera, this Wright fellow, or he's starting to make the

fucking Iron Claw goddamn. I'm not sure what. He's just got his hand up like, or maybe he's going to put it over the lens. Don't take that. I don't know. But Darius J. Wright, he's sitting with him and it included a link to Wright's website. And apparently they say, Keith Lee's connections are to Darius J. Wright, beyond what appears to be an endorsement is unknown. However, would you like to know more, Brian, about Mr. Wright? I always wanted to meet Mr. Wright.

I've never heard of him before, so I'm curious. Is he like a Maharishi kind of guy? Well, he might be full of Mahesh. Wright has described himself as a consciousness explorer known for fully conscious out-of-body experiences and direct investigation of non-physical reality. That's how he describes himself. Interesting.

Other people's descriptions are usually shorter and more to the point, but he established the great work school in 2023 with the aim of teaching people how to awaken your dormant abilities and access what he is described as the other side. the school purports to host an in-person event so he can guide individuals to achieve an out-of-body experience, awaken dormant abilities, and access higher states of consciousness, to achieve admittance into the private space of the great work school and begin A-Y-D-A learning.

A voluntary contribution of either $300 or $500 is encouraged. And an out-of-body experience is a phenomenon where a person, perceives the world or sees their own physical body from another location. So this guy, he believes the Egyptian pyramids were created by laser technology. Underneath the pyramids is an access point to the halls of a mentee. Which are right off from what I understand the shores of Tripoli. Who's a mentee? I don't know.

Or what is a mentee? I don't know what the proper question is. Uh, the pyramids are, I'm just short-handing this. Pyramids, according to writer, aligned with stars to act as portals for heavenly beings to travel to earth. Well, the pyramids also allow people to teleport themselves across the planet, which he believes was covered up in the mud flood. When was the mud flood? I do, well, see, we're going to have to go to the website, but here's a quote from him, the pyramids are not made by hand tools.

They are made by very intelligent, you could say. laser technology to craft this. The design of it, the reason why they were aligned to stars or these stars that they're aligned to is because stars within this creation that were in, act as portals, and that's why they say the stars are the angels. The stars are the angels. They call her out by her. Who says that? They were able to come down through the pyramids through different portals from their kingdoms down into this earthly heaven foundation that we're at now.

They were also used as an energy grid, but they were also used as transportation and a store of information. This may seem far out there for some people. Nah. But they were using this as well to also teleport themselves from, let's just say, America to China

to all around this place. Oh, the halls of a minty are rooted in ancient Egyptian tradition with a minty being seen as a hidden land of the west where the sun sets. That's where the souls travel after death to meet Iman Tett. A goddess charged with caring for the newly dead.

Souls would then advance to face trials and test to determine a soul's worthiness of entry to them. So it's like a big game show. It's like wrestler's court. This doesn't sound like fun. And but nevertheless this goes on a long way.

The mud flood is here, the 12 realms. He visited, right visited the realm of Eden, where they told him that heavenly beings are on Earth and the original angels are in stasis in Antarctica. Yeah, so this guy's very, oh, he had an out-of-body experience when he was 16 years old, came into contact with an entity named Celeste who provided him with the ability to be able to,

travel through time. So, you know what? Celestial being Celeste? Prince Mongo is dead, but baby, the banner has carried on. No,

but from everything you told us about Prince Mungo, he was harmless. He wasn't soliciting money to hear him talk about this journey. He was only trying to screw the city. He wasn't trying to cheat the little guy. if Keith Lee is really like a disciple of this guru

what the hell's going on with Keith Lee well I hesitate for either one of us say well he's a disciple of this guru like he's just slavishly licking everything up but when you have a picture of the guy and click to his website and he's you know you go to the website and there's this guy fucking Dalmatians you pretty much just endorse dog fucking, haven't you?

Yeah, I'm looking at this picture. You're right. Is he doing like a way? Is that like his own special wave? Like, you know, this is the wave. It's almost like he's going to grip the wrist and do the claw, but they caught him right before he did it. I don't know what's happening.

This man's thinking in his head, I have found a way to get Tony Khan's money without working for Tony Khan. I am a genius. Well, but we wish Keith all the best in his, if people think he's really, retired, but he hadn't said he's retired. But if he's, if he's getting into the, the time travel business.

I've been reading my Zachariah Sitchin, thinking about my big comeback soon. And now let me give all my money to the Maharishi over here. Well, now, maybe they're going in on this together, and he's going to start collecting some of the money for him. Because I have, you know, have the Marharishi say, you know, my man over here, Keith, will collect the voluntary contributions. That's his first tweet.

I'm looking at Keith Lee's Twitter now. It's his first tweet in a year. His last tweet was September 25th, and it's him in front of the pyramid, in front of the Mayan pyramid, not the Egyptian pyramid, and it's him posing with a few other people, and it says, The Mayan culture is one that is incredibly close to my heart. The two on either side of me have no idea how close being family they actually are.

All right. What, who, what is he just posing with strangers? I mean, who is beside of him? Clearly, they have no idea. Look at them. They're like, oh, there's a wrestler. Let's make muscles. Like, what is happening in this photo?

They have no idea. Well, do you tell them instead of posting a picture on Twitter? So he's still on the AEW roster page. Is he? And the article mentions that. Oh, did? Okay, that's right. That's right.

So is Tony paying him to take a, world fucking tour to just explore new cultures and seek out new life and new civilizations? Is he ever going to boldly come back to work? Do you think that this would be a wonderful way to reintroduce him onto the show? And also explain all the gray hair now because he obviously has not dyed it in a while according to this picture.

But maybe you can make it work. He's like kind of some new age wizard looking to collect hundreds of dollars from the audience to hear what he has to say. Well, I mean, if somebody's going to say, oh, there's health reasons or issues, I'm sure there is of some description, which we talked about in the past. Nobody knows, but he just didn't wrestle no more.

But is he got a permanent contract? Tony's signed him for 10 years? I mean, it's been a while. Well, hopefully when he uh lands, he could do something. Hopefully, this would be an awful way, like the last story publicly. He's got a, I don't know, he just disappeared off the face of the earth and then he reappears with some guru. Yeah, I'm telling him, maybe he can't come back with...

Is this a sex cult? Well, that, you know, then that would be an interesting story. But so far, there's been no mention of any huch-coochie just fucking fruity loopy. but we will keep up with that he still he still seems to be a hefty fellow in the picture there he's you know at least he's not wasting away to nothing but that that's the problem Brian you know I think Keith Lee's health would have been better if he'd have eaten better had a healthier diet and you know what could have helped him have a healthier diet is if it was easier to cook the good foods.

Rather than have the bad foods, you would have more of the good foods. Well, that just makes sense that then you would live longer if you're using better fuel. If there's no sugar in your gas tank, so to speak. And you know what makes it easier, Brian?

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then something that somebody just held over a goddamn burning fucking log. So, smarten up. HECSclad.com slash J-C-E. HEC-Clad. All righty, Brian. Well, before we talk about the wrestling, we must talk about the wrestling-adjacent programming. This kind of sort of had some things to do with the business.

But every time for the past several weeks that I've gotten on Netflix to watch Raw, I've seen advertised, coming soon, coming September, whatever the fuck it was, The story of Mr. T, untold, a biography, a documentary, whatever you want to term it of Mr. T. Okay. Let's see how they cover, you know, his dabbling in the wrestling sector, as one nitwit once put it. And so I watched this thing, and as far as it had more wrestling connections first. of all that I realized when I saw the end credits, which we'll get to in a little while. But I mean, come on.

This thing was like a goddamn soups-on. It made Dark Side of the Ring look like it was done by Ken Burns. There was nothing. I mean, seriously, it's not, could you, did you know any more really about Mr. T than you had ever already known just through osmosis than reading the, or reading, watching this puff piece with nothing pithy explained. When they brought up a couple of provocative things, there was no goddamn detail whatsoever.

It was like, and then his brother sued him. For what? Why? For what? And his mother got robbed and Mr. T went to find the guys and did what? Did you notice it? There was never, what did he do? It never, it was like Thunderball Patterson doing a promo.

It never got to whatever the payoff was. If he only had time, because it was only 48 minutes, he didn't have time. But give me any of your thoughts now, please. If you won't give them to me, I'll pay for. Let me know what the price is. Now, he was one of the big stars of my childhood. You know, I was born in 79, so I was kind of the right age to have. at a very young age, be exposed to this guy that kids had on their lunchboxes at school.

I mean, he was a big deal for a while. But the way they glossed over and didn't explain or anything about his wrestling career, or how he got there, or what they did, it was just like, there was a WrestleMania match. And here's what it was, not anything about, like, even about, like, how big WrestleMania was, WrestleMania won for the future of their business. but if that's the way they treated wrestling you wonder what else was treated like that there were a little glimpses of cool stuff

man I was really into the story of like him inventing his whole bodyguard character well that was it's a wrestling gimmick and it's just he became a gimmick before he ever had any connection with wrestling but it kind of came together in osmosis

but I remember I saw that actually saw that bouncer's competition on TV that he was in whether it was on celebrity, whatever the fuck it was. But apparently

that's how he attracted attention. He started, you know, he tried to be a bouncer, security guy, bodyguard, and the story that he was trying to tell was that he decided to become a bodyguard

because he wasn't there to protect his mother when she was robbed. Because he told this detailed story about how she had cashed her welfare check and had the money and these two guys followed her and even had the detail that one got in the elevator with her on the first floor and the other one waited got on the second floor.

And then they robbed her and they said it and cut her throat. And I was determined to find them. So I went to this guy, I said, you know who did it. And he didn't. So I bashed him in a face. And I said, I'm going to give you a couple of days to tell me. And then you never, it never, what the fuck happened? Right?

But from that, because he wasn't there to protect his mother, he decided to become a bodyguard. And I'm thinking, is this part, he obviously knew he was becoming a gimmick. Is the backstory part of the gimmick? I don't fucking know. Because it became a bodyguard for all the women in distress, like Michael, no, not Michael, Leon Spinks. Leon Spinks. Yeah, well, he became a bodyguard for Leon Spinks,

because Leon Spinks saw him, and Leon Spinks was halfway a gimmick too. And so this got to be good to have a round. And, you know, and then there was the pictures of him with Spinks everywhere. But that's where having such a public persona, that's what he was doing. He was creating a goddamn image.

I know they didn't confirm or deny or say he was or wasn't that he was, you know, and we know that he wasn't any kind of legitimate amateur athlete or competitive fighter or whatever. He was allegedly a street fighter. And this, you know, just if you had the impression that he was a street fighter, they didn't do anything to dissuade it, but it was all kind of a gimmick based on his look. And then Stallone saw him and cast him in Rocky 3, which was kind of coincidental and funny in a way because, well, really that's how Hulk Hogan knew him to begin with, but they knew each other from filming Rocky 3 so that when they worked together on Saturday Night Live, they'd already known

and WrestleMania, they'd already known what the fuck each other was about. and they were both gimmicks. But that's like you said, it's just suddenly, you know, Stallone cast him in Rocky 3 and then, well, he's on all the talk shows and then Tartikoff gets him for the A team and he's got merchandise

and then he goes to WrestleMania. Yeah, just all of a sudden he's there. They didn't even show you the setup. Piper versus Hogan at the Garden, one of my favorite, like it's not a five-star technical match, but to me, a perfect match

without a really good ending because of everything had set up and just a crowd and everything he was in the middle of that with Cindy Lopper Laughbano was at ringside well but I can

nothing about anything after WrestleMania where he hung around for a couple of years started getting by 86 he was getting booed yeah well because that stinker

with poor Roddy with you know that's the thing is that he was visually stunning, but he wasn't in competition shape for anything because he wasn't in competition. He was an actor and a gimmick. But, you know, that's the thing is that even if they couldn't recount the angles on this, you know, document 48 minute piece, they could have had some insight into how that was all put together

behind the scenes, since they don't mind. talking about behind the scenes on Unreal. It was a big business deal in T's career, but he's at WrestleMania. Nothing about his WWE Hall of Fame appearance where he, if it was not 20 minutes, it felt like it was at least 20 minutes

of him doing a speech about his mom. There's mom. And then he sent out Cain with Pyro to like, well, remember, that's because he did the modern equivalent of a Thunder Bowl Patterson promo at the Hall of Fame. They were just, you know.

But by the, time that they finally cut it off, I was laughing at this point. Every time that he started a sentence, it ended with how much he loved his mom. Yeah. It was like, all right, I think he's finally moving on. Not right back to his mom. I felt bad when they took him off the stage. I really wanted to see where this was going. It had to have an ending. It had to. When they took him off the stage, at his Hall of Fame induction speech. They wrapped the blanket around him and escorted him off. And by the way, he didn't chase him off.

He didn't choke him off the stage. He just walked down and said like, come on. Enough. Let's go. Enough of this. But anyway, that's it. You know, they had time to show him sitting on Nancy Reagan's lap at the White House or whatever. But as you mentioned, that was, he was a.

big, big deal for a while. And in 86, the wrestling fans started booing him, but he was still for another few years in mainstream culture, a big star. They mentioned that George Papard was jealous of him on the A team. But then he started... That, by the way, that was the highlight of the whole thing for me. At the very end, they show him in an autograph show and Derek Benedict

is there. Yeah. He's telling him, he's like, I went through a lot. I went through a lot over those years. And he's a yeah, George Papard. Well, he was difficult in many places, not just on the set of the A team. Yeah. But about that period of time, late 80s or whatever it was, that's when he was just doing rotten movies and just, you know, he would do anything. See, that's the thing.

He only got a few movies. He was in that movie Freaked, I think it is, which is a unique curio of a certain time and I remember getting a kick out of it years ago but it is a rather grotesque and weird movie for Mr. T to play the bearded lady in and then apparently he walked off that set

the guy says. He's like, T's done. He's like, what do you mean T's done? We have four more days of shooting. But that I remember that. Obviously, I had not only known who Mr. T was from the TV and the movies

and et cetera, Rocky 3, I should say, but also wrestling. But then you could just tell it was like it was getting old. It was getting stale. He was in like you said, a couple of C movies, but anytime there was an appearance, it would be more

of a parody. Yeah, he's Mr. T. rather than, yeah. He's Mr. T from the past. That's kind of what his gimmick became. He had a big impact on your career, starring in the movie DC Cab, which was Dusty Rhodes's shorthand for Dennis Condry when he'd write the lineup to put on the wall.

He were like, Bobby was just BLE, and Dennis was DC Cab with J.C. But that's, I remember, as I said, you know, it just, you could tell. It was just, it was old. It was done. And then they told the story of him getting sued by so many people over and over, but his brother sued him.

But nobody said, why his brother fucking sued him? Which would have been kind of an interesting thing to bring up. And right around that same period of time, they talk about him buying like this giant mansion and making his mom cry because it's like the whole family could live here. We can all live together in one big house. I love my family. That doesn't sound like the most pleasurable thing for everyone forever.

I don't know. But, yeah, so I don't know when multiple people suit him or for what, or what the verdict was or what happened. Yeah. But now he's survived everything. He had cancer in 1995. I didn't actually know that. He had just been in WCW in 94 when Hogan returned.

That's right, because they did that thing there. They did. But they had this. big revelatory moment where he was diagnosed with blood cancer or whatever in 1995 and then they didn't tell any of the details of his

recovery or we obviously we know 30 years later yeah I guess he beat it but no he got cancer in 95 moving on so today he's survived all that stuff he's very

religious he does fan fest and is uplifting when he meets the fans. And how old would he be? Because he, poor fella, the people that were really big and really massive and really exuberant when they were young, it wears on them more when they get old. Whereas just a lumpy, pudgy guy like me,

I can kind of coast along in the middle. He is. He's got to be 70, 74 years old. 74 years old. I was. almost there. It's interesting. In the movie, the documentary that he cooperated with, on the screen, I believe it had his last name is T-U-R-O, T-U-R-O, T-U-R-O, T-U-R-O. But I've always seen the spelling that's everywhere else. T-U-R-E-A-U-D. What? Yeah, that's always the spelling I've seen for

his last name, so I'm curious. I always, I thought it was T-E-R-O. Oh. how many fucking phony checking accounts did this son of a gun open up before he got famous I think that was gimmick change too like he was a bodyguard dressed really nice and fancy suits and then all of a sudden he was like you know I wear this for Native Americans it was a big switch all of a sudden from

well no I don't know then it was the the Mandinka warriors wore the gold and the feathered that's right that's right the feathered earrings but then he wore chains because of his ancestors, as New Jack famously said one time, chained in the bowels of a slave ship. And he had a, yeah, he had a, it was like wrestling,

it was like Jack Pfeffer. He had an explanation for every ornament and piece of thing that he'd put his gimmick together with. And by the way, the A-Team is pretty awesome. Holds up. I like it as a kid, still like it. Well, one of the best entrance songs for an action show, entrance songs.

What are the theme music for an action? Entrance song, yeah, and here they come. Here comes George Papar down the ramp. Oh, he's spitting on his castmates, just spinning on them. That is agent. Did Mr. T's agent in this thing, and even he was like, yeah, at a certain point, he kind of turned down, like, all the good stuff. Yeah.

But that was why I liked Mr. T in the A team, because he didn't want to fly either. see i felt a kindred spirit there he made it acceptable very good but if you if you watch this ladies and gentlemen documentary and i hope you don't because it's a waste of 48 minutes because it asks more questions than it answers but just i was idly glancing up when it was over with the credits were rolling and their executive producers paul levec and levec and fitting. Have they got a finger now and everything Netflix does? Did that count as part of the WWE deal? Did they have anything to do with this program? Or do they just get an executive producer credit from anything that uses WWE footage? I don't know. Did WWE produce the

documentary? I really don't know. I have an article here, Jim. When did this come out? This came out. Well, why don't you read it, Brian? September 9th. So, two days ago as we are recording. Mr. T calls Netflix documentary about his life garbage. Ha ha ha, God. This is from Complex or Complex, I don't know, by Bernadette Gia Camazo. I think somebody's going to have a Complex after we get finished with this. Mr. T has spent more than four decades being one of the most recognizable figures in pop culture.

Now, with Netflix preparing to release a documentary about his life, he has a problem with the man it puts on screen. Quote, The documentary pissed me off because they didn't cover a lot of stuff, he told the Guardian. Well, there you go. When I saw it, I was like,

what the heck? It's garbage. You built me up, then you try to punk me out. Uh, are there any other quotes from here? He specifically pointed out that the pastor interviewed for two days,

but appeared for roughly 30 seconds. I'm more than that. If you don't know me, you're going to think I'm some monster. I didn't come away with that impression at any way. I didn't think that either. I thought he had got to have done pretty good job of what he had to work with there. Mr. T also disputes the documentary suggestion that bad decisions contributed to his career cooling after the massive 1980s run.

His explanation is much simpler. He had accomplished what he wanted. I wanted. Quote, all I wanted to do was buy my mother a beautiful house and pretty dresses. I'd done that in the 80s, so the game was over. I'm not chasing the dollar. I never did. He particularly objected to commentary from former agent Peter Young, criticizing some of his career choices, including his appearance as the bearded lady in the 1993 comedy freaked.

Mr. T defended the role. noting that the movie also featured Brook Shields, Keanu Reeves, and Randy Quaid. But did Brook Shields have a beard? They all had crazy characters. Yeah, they all had crazy characters. I don't remember what Brook Shields was.

They had to undercut what I'm about. What a joke. So there we go, and we'll see if any more blowback comes out. But you weren't too crazy about it, and either was Mr. T. Well, at least now people can't say the, well, Cordes just being critical

again, because even the guy it was about thought it was garbage. They didn't even say he had a breakfast cereal. That's a pretty big deal. Peely Herman in his movie feeds the Mr. T. Breakfast cereal to his dog. What the fuck? They could have used that cameo right there, I just thought of it.

It's good enough for dogs. I pity the dog. He was the biggest TV star in the world, and then he's got a fucking comedian and best known for fucking rubbing one out in a fucking porn theater feeding his fucking cereal to a dog. I just want to make sure we got that

in proper context. By the way, that is a great movie. Have you ever seen Peewee's big adventure? I'm glad you said adventure after that. I didn't know where you were know. They call him Peeway for a reason, Jim. Have you ever seen it? Thankfully,

I have not seen it. Wow. stand a guy that was in front of him was quite unhappy about him also, but... You never saw that movie for real? I saw the movie. I didn't see the other thing. Large Marge? And that was the one, or the other one was the one that Little John was in, Silo Sam. It's this one. He's in this one. He plays the angry boyfriend, Andy.

And then there's another giant named John, who's like seven feet tall and looks just like him, who's in Bachelor Party, who apparently is a different guy. So I don't know exactly know what was going on over there. Where would you find another son of a bitch that looked like that? I'm not sure. Milt, the character of Milt, the bodyguard for the pimp,

one of the great comedies of all time that you'll never see replayed because Tom Hanks hates it and he doesn't let it get re-released, Bachelor Party. Well, but I'm sure you have it on VHS. don't you? I got it on Blu-ray. Well, there you go.

But Mr. T. Mr. T. Mr. T. And that's why he said, I wanted my first name to be Mr. So people would address me with respect. And that's the thing, Brad, you can tell by the whole way

that he put that thing together. He was very focused. He concentrated on his gimmick. His public image, he was very laser-fing. focused on everything that was going to present him to the world so that he could control his image and his aura. I wonder if he was one of the revolutionary early test persons for the ultra pouches.

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Can you repeat the beginning of it? Well, there was this. There's no question to it. It's a statement, folks, that if you want to go out like Mr. T and just be all focused and everything, just pity the fool. Don't get on my bad side. Well, then you need the ultra pouches. You don't need nicotine and caffeine.

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I don't know about any of that. You don't know about any of that. You don't know about any of that. Well, it's vaso constriction and overstimulation. It certainly is overstimulation. I think you're overstimulated right now talking about all this and go with crazy directions. Do you want your vasos constricted, or do you want them to just be able to roam free

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because they had a couple of breaks in the action to come back and do other things. So we'll, we'll skip around a bit. But this was, they were in Athens, Georgia. which is a place where WCW used to run spot shows, well, back to the Georgia Territory Days, but I believe it is somewhere close to where Rebel lives, if I'm not mistaken, that may be why they went there to do this show. But it was dedicated to Reba, Reba, Rebel, the lady who was the sidekick of Dr.

Dr. Britt Baker, when AW just about first came on the air, and she had been a wrestler previously for a limited period of time, but then, you know, I think she was doing makeup and things, got pressed into that role and got to be an ongoing character, but nice young lady. And as anybody may know, if they've been following the news on social media over the last year, whatever, she's come down with ALS, Lou Gehrig's disease, which is still, you know, unfortunately, there's no cure. And she's, I think they said on the program that she started having some symptoms in

2024, but they just diagnosed her earlier this year. But she's in a fairly advanced, you know, stage of this, I guess. from where she started at least. And so they did this show in her honor and tied it into ALS research and a website they've got, which I've got here somewhere and we will plug. But that's the way they opened the show with the waiting room,

with her and Britt Baker. And she's in a wheelchair now at this point, but they did, you know, a bit back. and forth where Britt Baker still didn't know her name. And then they brought out Persephone or Persephone or and they brought out Hikaru Shida to set up the six-girl tag that they're going to have later on tonight with Thunder Rosa and two of the other young ladies.

And I'm not going to criticize this as far as performance or they should have done this or that. You could tell that this meant a lot to rebel, and you wouldn't, you know, be halfway human if you weren't sad to see the effects that everything's had on her, but how that, you know, they're making her night. And again, this is not, I'm trying to figure out the best way to say it. it's not just going into the complete realm of lunacy by having a legless person compete in a battle royal to have this former wrestling personality who's confined to a wheelchair, get to come out and do a spot in the match, and at the same time do a heartfelt promo later on in the show for research against this disease.

this was this was not hokey cartoonie wrestling this had its place right here in this context there was nothing wrong with it and before we go to the the girls match or the six girl match or whatever just the opening thing do you think brine is this why britt britt britt bray britt breaker that's what i always said did britt baker did britt baker ever did britt baker ever date Bronbreaker because God damn. Oh my God. See, that's, is this why Britt Baker came back? Because she wanted to do this show and Tony said, well, if you're good, come back,

come back on the pre-show at Wembley. I mean, this to me was probably a bigger deal. I don't know. Maybe Britt Baker being so involved in helping Rebel open the door for Tony Con to see a way back, a path forward. But I agree with you. I had no problem with this opening. It was nice.

You know, again, we have known what was going on. They explained to the audience at home what was going on. The people there were into it. You know, it wasn't like they were doing all this and people were sitting on their hands. The people seemed pretty empathetic, I guess, or... Yeah. They were with it. So I had no problem with this at all.

I thought it was nice. Well, and then they had the ladies six-person, whatever the fuck match. with Thunder Rosa and my God, I didn't even write down the other two girls' names that were on the tip, but it doesn't matter. Hyon and Maya World, I believe. Ah, the world sisters, Hyan and Maya. And there was legitimate heat with Britt Baker and Thunder Rosa

at one point, wasn't there? That's what we were told. Because Britt Baker even made the comment earlier on when they were hype in the match or whatever, saying it, and Thunder Rosa, you're going to end up like you always are, you know, irrelevant or glossed over for the DMD or some derogatory comment.

But the finish on the thing was Britt forgot her glove to put the mandible claw on with. So here came Riba in the chair down the ramp with the glove to give it to her and they had the moment where they passed the glove and Britt used it to win, and she got the chance and the cheers. And then Britt Baker jumped up in her lap and rode out on her chair with her. And again, it was a feel-good thing for you could tell this poor girl.

And it meant a world to her. And then they did a package, a video package with some of her highlights, comments from the talent and some of the story. of the ALS research and she did a heartfelt speech that, you know, it had to probably take a lot out of her to get that much verbiage out. But I think it did a world of good for anybody that this wasn't on their, their charity list that, you know, she talked them into it. And they set up a website, which I'll plug is AEW together,

dot org slash rebel heart and I guess you need all of that if you went to a.w together.org it seems like you'd be able to find out what the fuck from there but slash rebel heart I don't know how these things work you know that but this was a nice deal I'm glad they did this deal for I agree however

I got a couple of problems with these people, Brian. Now I'm just, I'm astonished. I'm astonished. They've got, we'll take them in order. First, the poor new, new day. They are now the six-man tag team champions with swerve Strickland, who was such a vicious hot heel with so much heat from the fans

that he just became a baby face by bringing these guys out to team with him. And they defended the titles against Roderick Strong and Kyle O'Reilly and the ever popular little puppy pockets. And they start like this. First of all, who are the baby faces? Since the start, we've known that the little gremlin that sticks his hands at his pockets, it just gets all the cheers. So now they're putting these brand new hot, legitimate star baby faces from the big company into matches with the goddamn mascot

to make them a joke on their first, second week on free television. But why are the brand new top stars fighting preliminary baby faces to begin with instead of heels? And especially why do they have to lower themselves to make the, and I mean, I know they're doing it willingly. because I could tell by the just the fun they were having that they think that this guy is goddamn just the bees knees.

But to make this guy look credible, to lower their status already, I asked the question the other fucking day, how long is it going to take Tony and the rest of AEW to make the new, new day, part of the same old fucking roster, nothing special.

The answer apparently is two weeks. they were working with this guy like he was a legitimate wrestler. Roddy and Kyle, great guys to put new day over. They're athletic. They're great workers. But the way they've been presented, they're not on their level. And but to put the goof in there, it all becomes comedy. And top guys that are trying to be serious can't work with him.

And at the same time, act like he's seriously a fucking wrestler. and swerve was doing the swerve the former world champion that burns people's houses down or no he terrorized the baby he got his house burned down

whatever the fuck he was doing spots with the little prick while he had his hands at his pockets and then both of the new day picked him up and he stuck his hands in his pockets, it's faked, kick, swerve, and beat up all three baby faces by himself.

And I wrote, I hope that New Day got a lot of money to end their careers here, because this will be the end of their careers, whether they quit wrestling or not. It's not wrong, and we talked about this. Everybody got what probably was best. They weren't going to use New Day anymore or pay them what they'd been making, and you couldn't blame them. because they've been there 20 years or whatever, and it was stale.

So they go to a new company that paid them probably more than what they were making, and they get to be in a new environment and be fresher, and WWE doesn't have to worry about it. Everybody was happy. It's not wrong to take a big check to work for the number two company, but having to embarrass yourself and your profession to get the money and diminish your, standing by cooperating with this shit

before you've ever even had a chance to be put in a position to see if you can make any difference drawing any money in this fucking joint. And then after the match, these six guys plus ricochet and five more guys plus Paige and Bandito and Brody King gotten an argument.

So that was 14 guys arguing over a middle card six-man set of belts but nothing happened. They just stood there and stared and some walked off. But did did you think it would be this quick with the new day? Wouldn't they get at least you? I thought they'd get another couple weeks out of it.

I thought they would get him in the ring with Orange Cassidy as soon as they could. That's one of Tony's big rights of, not rights of passage, but kind of pay your dues, work with pockets. So I'm not surprised at all that they work with Orange Cassidy here. and they seem to be happy and I'm sure they're making lots of money and I think the six-man tag division is kind of a joke but Tony is at least trying to

have everyone expose who they are I get all the groups out there to just stand and look at each other so you know who's in the division but I don't I didn't honestly I have a thing once I see Orange Cassidy it's hard for me to care too much or pay attention to the match so that's the idea

Once you see that, you're like, okay. But if this is, instead of that being a rite of passage or whatever you called it for Tony, why can't they do like the kids do in the hazing in college and give somebody a concrete enema or something? Instead of having to subject them to that. All righty then, what do you think about Sting Jr., old Stephen Borden? On the bright side, he looks a lot younger than he is, apparently. apparently. And he looks young and he looks athletic. He's got more size than most AEW wrestlers and just the segments he's been in. I mean, not just Darby either. He's got a good look. He's

got some energy, it seems. You know, I don't know about the name. I hate to say that. It's this real name, obviously, but Stephen Bordid. Yeah. Has there ever been a Stephen star? Not Steve. Stephen. I don't know. Stephen Regal. That's true, but he was a lord. So that makes it a little well yeah he had been honored by our queen and you could have at least been a duke i guess but here i don't know what has taken this guy this kid this long because then we look up he's 34 years old and he's just now starting he's that big he looks that good he has the pedigree he had a famous father great drop yeah i yes incredible athlete the famous father that could have gotten him any type of look see that he would

want it but it's not like that they would have gone ah once they saw him he looks great and he apparently has some aptitude but why did it and if he went to college he graduated by the time he is 22. That'd have been 12 years ago. That was 2014. What did he try to do something else? Was he playing semi-pro something somewhere that we're not aware of? I'm going to put my money on real estate. What is that? What the, the point is, I hate to say this, but he's still doomed, but goddamn. He could have, he could have been a contender. they had him come out and do a promo with Darby about their match, and he doesn't cut a bad promo for a complete beginner either.

And like you said, in the great shape, he has the size. Problem is, we've heard he's being trained by Darby, and I know some people are going to say, well, Sting is, you know, he should know Sting, as I think we've beat around the bush and kind of talked about before, the T&A, day. Sting was a superstar. Sting was a big box office attraction. He was a top guy. He was never either particularly a fan of the wrestling business or more importantly, very particularly smart to the wrestling business. And if it didn't have to do with what he was specifically doing, you know, he

wasn't that particularly well-versed or interested. And, you know, he didn't have to do with what he didn't have the old-timers respect for it. He was away from it long enough that I believe he's fallen for the line. It evolved. He also had a billionaire paying him seven figures a year to be universally praised as a goddamn next thing to a saint. And he did a bunch of stupid shit to fit in with the kids. And I'd also to prove he could still do it because he got a kick out of doing it at 60.

but to say that Sting would probably be the person to pick someone to train a wrestler, I can't make that leap. And that's the problem. He's being trained and mentored by Darby and the rest of these indie-minded fucks. He's 34 years old. He's got all the tools, but he will never, he'll make money here. No doubt about that. but it's unfortunately

he's too green right now that he shouldn't be on national TV because it's not fair to him to be the son of sting they get a kick out of seeing him do the drop kick and the leapfrog and the elbow drop like his dad but in all honesty

he should be in a territory somewhere working under a fucking mask for three months six months, whatever, while he had a lot of veterans in his ear that would have happened back in the days when you were in the locker room with a lot of veterans. And then, you know, maybe then, maybe you don't reveal who his dad was. Maybe he's got his own name and you start using him and then there's a reveal later. But, I mean, they get a kick out of seeing him do two or three of his dad's spots, but he can't go long and you can tell that he's got all the tools but by the time that he has had the time

to polish them he'll be 36 37 but also to start here if he ever had any goal of going to the wwe no matter how long he's here he'd have to fucking go to nxte to begin with because they would have to retrain him quite a significant number of things that he's going to learn from these people. So then you're talking he might debut when he was fucking 40. So I think he's going to be an AEW lifer and he's going to make a lot of money here. But if he'd have started 12 years ago and gone through the maybe the Indies and then gone to the WW training program,

he might very well be one of the top guys to business right now if he's got it in his heart. If this is just a fling he's taken, then he would have bombed out 11 years ago. And in his match, he was wrestling in pants and like street boots, which you could see that the laces weren't even tucked in. It looked like, I know he's new,

but goddamn, a guy could buy some fucking tights or have them made with this budget. So they need to get him a look instead of looking like he's just wrestling in his fucking clothes. He did a great leap frog, but he botched phase two of the first high spot. Again, none of this is his fault. He's just doing this in front of people

for the very first times, a lot of this. He grabbed the arm bar. It was kind of awkward, because he was in too deep. He had an armpit arm bar. He did the great standing drop kick when the heel was sitting on a top turnbuckle. And he does the comeback of the clothes lines

and the body slams. But, you know, Darby, they had to get the heat on him and give Stephen the comeback and they need to limit his shit because you'll see through it. And that's natural. He's had,

how many matches would this be in front of? of people. What has he, has he done anything in the dark yet? Not that I'm aware of. I don't know anything about anything he's done. Very few. So anyway, that's, I hate to be pessimistic, but I wish this guy had started 10 years ago. Your, your thoughts, Brian, on this whole situation. Yeah, he's very impressive. You know, the age thing is the thing that scares you because with few exceptions, no one starts that late and does much. We always talk about Batista's starting late. Batista, how old was he when he was in OVW?

He wasn't this old. He was, what was it, 30, 31, something like that? So even he was younger. Again, he looks younger. If you told me that this guy was in his late 20s, I believe you, in a second. And he looks like an athlete and he moves well. But on some of, I don't know if the best. basics is the right word, but some of the early stuff, like you said, it looked sloppy.

You could tell that he's energetic, but he kind of needs the other guy to know what he's trying to do to go with him to do it. Yeah. Well, and again, that's natural because he's just started, which, but it doesn't do anybody any good to start on national television. Because no matter how good you get, they've already got a first impression. and is I hate to say it, but with these fans,

they'll probably be nicer, but there will be some element of die Rocky Die to Sting Jr. If Sting Jr. is pushed too far over his head, I guess is what I'm saying. Let's see if he even has a singles match. I mean, this is a tag match. Let's see what happens.

don't why he they better he better not have a singles match for a while on TV I would hope he'd have all the singles matches in the world if they could find a place for him to be in front of 115 people but nevertheless what else was

happening basically on AEW or as far as AEW goes besides they had a tables match between Kyle Feltcher and Kevin Knight and the Hardley Boys and fuck that. But they did have

Fekla came out. I'm loving her. Came out for the promo. Where's all my dumb bitches at? And her promo, I'm not like other girls. And Brian, maybe you could help me with this. She says, I'm not like the other girls in a locker room. I started wrestling because I saw a guy getting beat up with a chicken carcass.

There's a backstory to this. I'm sure that all the internet fans know. Have you heard anything about the chicken carcass? I don't know the story. I'll see what we can find out. Peckla and the chicken carcass. It's sort of like Sherlock Holmes and the giant rat of Sumatra. But then all good things come to an end.

And in this case, as usual, Mercedes brought it to an end. When she interrupted from the stands and I was, eh, it's over now. and I'm Mercedes cut a promo, Willow came running out, Thetla ran from Willow, Blue Sky and Julia Hart were standing there and that was that. But I just wanted to recognize

her contribution to the proceedings. According to Google's AI, wait a minute, don't let that son of a bitch in your house. He's going to hit you over the head from behind. A wrestler named Boris the butcher hit his opponent with a dead raw chicken until the bird fell apart and into pieces

and flew into the crowd. This was a punk rock mixed with extreme wrestling show in Vienna, Austria. Well, that sounds like a waste of fine poultry to me. A bunch of bird brains. Anyway, that was your final thoughts on AEW this week, a young man.

Oh, yeah. I mean, there was also a moment people did want to hear what you had to say about Excalibur. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about that because we skipped ahead when we went from rebel to rebel. I hate Excalibur was choked up when he was talking about the butcher's passing where you could tell that they were obviously really good friends. And I hate that the guy had to lose a good friend of his.

And all these things can be true at the same time. I still wish that they'd never put him on the show as an announcer with that stupid mask on and nobody knows what the deal is or cares. And that, again, shows that would have been a meaningful moment even more if instead of a guy sitting there wearing a lucha mask for no discernible reason, getting choked up and crying about his friend passing away, it had been a normal human announcer sitting there. with a face that you could see. It just,

everything that he does in that gimmick lends an aura of silliness or frivolousness even when it's real serious shit. And it's not just confined to looking stupid when trying to sell the wrestling program. But you would think, even if he would,

was a good friend of butchers, why did he take the fucking mask off and do the show as a real person in honor of butcher? And then he would have had a reason to. And then he could just not ever put it back on again.

And they could get over whatever hump that they couldn't get over when a billionaire hires a guy who's never done commentary except on VHS. to do a national television show,

and the guy doesn't have the courtesy to take his mask off. Because 500 people know that he used to wrestle in his own promotion wearing this mask. It's disrespectful all the way around. But I was trying to fucking say that I felt bad for him. Till you got me on that goddamn tangent, but it is what it is. All these things can be true.

It's okay to feel bad for him at the same time say that. AEW does not have a league commentator knows how to capture the moment typically in big matches or I won't even get into Chavani who is all sorts of worthless that was AEW Dynamite and this is your...

It sure was. But you know what was dynamite from what I understand, Brian? What was dynamite was all the stars that Dave Meltzer bestowed on the Sunday night's main event extravaganza from the

WWE See, I'm AI2. E! Well, that's right, Jim. We have it from the latest edition of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the star ratings for the big Sunday night's main event show

that we watched and were underwhelmed by, I think we could say. Lil Yati lasted five minutes with Baron Corbyn, no star rating. What? Trick Williams. Wait a minute.

Why is there no, why, what, hold on, pump the, breaks. You think that should have a star rating? It was a match. It's a match. Why wouldn't it have a star rating? I'm not saying it would have a lot of stars, but it's a goddamn match. He should have rated it. Yadi and Mercedes. Is this a racial thing? I don't know. He just proclaimed Mercedes-Mone the greatest American wrestler, female wrestler of all time, but he won't. Then he didn't rate their match. But he didn't rate the match. Yeah. Trick, Williams defeated Baron Corbyn to win the U.S. title 11 minutes, 14 seconds.

Three and a quarter stars. That means Liliati and Corbyn would have been about, what, three quarter to one? I don't, I think he's generous there. I thought it was kind of, it's Corbyn, so it's got a ceiling, but nevertheless, not outrageous. Jim Obafemi defeated Bronbreaker via disqualification. 11 minutes, 21 seconds, 3.5 stars. You know, I'm wondering if Dave is being somewhat generous more than he used to be to these WWE matches

to try to stem some of the controversy of the criticism of his critiques of the AEW matches, because this wasn't necessarily 3.5. three and a half is almost four stars. Four stars is the, the flare steamboat fucking milestone. You keep saying that flare steamboat was five stars. I'm saying everything they ever did was four stars. The great ones were five stars.

But when you're getting up past four stars, it's, see, Dave is just, he's increased the scale, which, okay, if these matches that Kenny and the rest of his favorites,

have are so much better than the other stuff that he used to rate four stars and five stars, then give them six. But why are you giving a match that 30 years ago would have been rated goddamn two stars? Why are you now giving it three and a half? It just, Dave Meltzer used to give out a lot of half of stars and a star and a star and a star. And all these matches aren't better than all those matches. He just decided, I'm just going to just give everybody stars.

And we'll have something more to say about that after the final two matches here. Jake Cargill, Meachin, and B-Fab defeated Charlotte Flair, Tatum Paxley, and Alexa Bliss, 9 minutes 35 seconds, 2 and 3 quarters stars. Boy, howdy, I bet that one stunk out loud. I'm glad I didn't watch it if there's only 2 and 3 quarters. And finally, Jim Randy Orton defeated Cody Rhodes, 18 minutes, 31 seconds, 4 and a quarter stars. Yeah, he still recognizes the main events, and even though they seldom break any furniture or do any of the histrionics or acrobatics or gymnastics that his AW darlings do, but he'll still recognize the quality of some of the main events.

And that, again, may even have been charitable for that particular match. But he goes to great lengths to heap the praise on the gymnasts and the neighborhood kids that don't have the professionalism or the seriousness or the fan base or the, et cetera, et cetera. Well, Dave on Twitter responded to someone named Ben Hogan 1953 asking to be educated about the star rating or how does he explain this he wants to understand Dave and here's what Dave wrote

Zero awful One, not good Two, average Three, good four excellent five strong match of the year contender until recent years due to high-end quality getting so great

and six a match that would have won match of the year almost any year in history well besides the delusion that he's under that you see more great wrestling matches now than you use used to when it's the opposite. High end.

They're very few and far between, and he thinks they happen daily. But Brian, what's the definition of average? Two stars. No, no, what is the definition of the word average? Middle of the road. I'll look it up here. Middle of the road, it's a... Well, in the middle of the road is a ton of his thing.

Hold on. What is it? A, QR test, T, where does V come in? QR's T-U-V. Hold on. Average. Averis. We got a little of that too. Average. A relative level, proportion, or degree that indicates position or achievement. Usual, ordinary, intermediate between extremes.

In other words, average is, that's what it is most of the time. When does he ever give a match two stars? What match ever ever gets two stars? stars. Therefore, none of the matches are average. If none of the, how can you have nothing that's average

and everything that excels because if everything excels, then that's the average. See what I mean? I always saw average as three stars on a five-star scale. It'd be between two and three because that would be the middle. Right. you wouldn't have to argue about a half a star, quarter of a star, whatever the case.

Dave used to give out Duds. Duds not on this list, but zero stars, I can't remember, unless we're talking about the ones he doesn't... Well, a Dudd is a zero. He just, for some reason, I think he, you know, he thinks that Dudd is now some kind of politically incorrect term. But that would be a zero. You may upset the DUD lobby? The DUD lobby would be, yeah, all over it.

But that's the thing he has... according to him, nothing is average, and therefore everything is excellent, and therefore everything is average because it's all the same. Well, again, I can't get over five stars. Strong match of the year contender until recent years

due to high-end quality getting so great, which is basically his way of saying he blew up his scale. I know he likes to say, you know, there was a six-star match before he did it because Norman Dooley and you had a match that you had a match that you rank higher, but he didn't know about all that.

So he can't use that as his argument. Oh, yes, he did, because he was one of Norman's pen pals. That's where he stole all his shit from. But until you had him on the show and you revealed it to him, he didn't remember that. He had no memory of any of that. Well, that sounds like the, yeah, you put the mob guy on the stand. I have no recollection of that. The point is it's all bullshit.

It's all bullshit. but his insufferability and obnoxiousness in talking about how great these fucking nitwits are that he's so enamored of when their shit is objectively to a viewer bullshit. It's just it's insufferable, but that's he's got to make the kids happy and his his disciple, his his protege. But yeah, that's the thing. It's numbers, Brian. It's mathematics. If nothing is average and everything is excellent,

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All righty then. Well, we're going to close out today with some more Mid-South wrestling. We haven't done this in a while, but it's apropos at this point because we did a segment on the drive-through a few days ago on the passing of Bill Superstar Dundee, and Dundee, as we mentioned, was the Booker in 1984 for Mid-South, and we've talked about him often when we've told these stories. But specifically this week that we have come up on, last we left off was in the middle of

the last stampede, April 22nd in Tulsa and Oak City. And this coming up week kind of illustrates what Dundee's booking had set up for us and set up for the territory to keep doing this business. and how I've told this story before and I don't remember how long ago it's been. But when they were talking about the last stampede, Dundee and Watts, Dundee had told us after the fact so that he wouldn't make us nervous wrecks. Well, you know, Watts thought he was going to have to finish y'all up. Do you remember this, Brian, after the last stampede?

He thought all your heat would be gone. Yeah. He said, well, wait a minute, Bill. if, you know, if I beat the tag team and humiliate the manager and just soundly trounce them, then, you know, they're going to have no heat left. And then he's like, well, let's hide and watch is what do you say a lot, hide and watch. So remember the way that we had started the angle with Watts was we beat Wrestling 2 and Magnum TA for the Mid-South Tag Team titles and had a celebration on TV with the cake and the

fucking party hats and the noisemakers. And at that point, the rock and roll express came out and shoved my face in the cake. And then Watts was laughing about it and replayed it again. And that's when I came out and had the argument with Watts. So the rock and roll was in this. But what happened with Watts kind of superseded that for the moment.

But the people still wanted to see midnight and rock and roll. And we'd had that one six-minute match on. TV where the Russians ran in as to give them a taste of it of what it would be like. And then as the last stampede started going along and doing that business, Watts started changing his mind. But I have to think that that April 22nd in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, think about this, Brian and I've told this story before in a bunch of shoot interviews, but it's been years

since I've said it on the podcast. So for the for the kids, just to. bring you up to date and I'll try to make it brief for the veterans. But we not only had two shows the same day in the state of Oklahoma, Oklahoma City at 2 o'clock and Dallas, or not Dallas, but Tulsa at 7.30, we sold out both and we drew 20,000 people for the two shows in one day in the state of Oklahoma and turned from what they said like 3,000 away in Oklahoma City. That record

will never be broken because of the way the business has changed. But at the same time, that night in Tulsa was when Watts had driven his Rolls-Royce to the building, and we were at the fairgrounds instead of the downtown assembly

center. And thunderstorms came through with hail. And Watts didn't want to leave his car sitting outside. So that's the night he drove the Rose Royce in the back and had it sitting there in the open area between the two locker rooms under the overhang before you went out in the arena. After that match, Watts got juice on Bobby and Dennis.

They both bled. He beat him flat in the middle of the ring, jerked me in the ring, stripped my clothes off, and dressed me in a pink moo-moo, and then tossed me out of the ring, right? right? The people had stayed to see that whole thing. It wasn't like after the match we could just grab the cops and run, right? They'd all come from down, up in the stands, down to the floor, and they were milling around the ring. Nobody left. And when I roll out, I'm in dress shoes and black socks. Underwear, I had fucking boxer shorts on that I'd drawn big giant red hearts on them with a sharpie, and a fucking pink dress and holding my tennis racket, which I grabbed on the way

out. And the people were still trying to get a goddamn shot at me, to get to poke me or spit on me or punch or whatever. The cops surround me, they start taking me through that big floor area at the fairgrounds, because that's where they had rodeos and horse shows and shit. After we got through ringside, it was just all people mobbing us. And I started losing it. I started losing cops. They would stop to deal with people come and try to attack me. And I ended up, I looked over, I've got one cop that's smaller than me, who looked at me like he was scared and said, run.

Have you ever had a cop tell you to run? No. Well, you do. And I did. And I ran. And I was helicopter in that fucking racket over my head, hitting people left and right. and they were kicking me and stuff. And as I'm running past or running back to the back,

there's Jim Ross in front of the Rolls-Royce, because now I broke out of the crowd and they're throwing cups of ice and anything they can get their hands on at me. And JR is spread out in front of the Rolls-Royce. Get away from the car, get away from the car. As I run by it, bam, bam, bam, bam, all the shit hits the hood of the fucking car.

Fuck him. We bought him another Rolls-Royce that day. but the point of this whole story is Watts was still in the ring he's watching this and after the past three weeks we're not only drawn these record houses but he's seeing my God I just beat both of these guys half to death

beat him in the middle of the ring humiliated the manager stripped him down and they're assaulting police officers and starting a mini riot to get another poke at him on the way out of course they still have and I didn't realize this really until I became a promoter later he's like of course they still have heat so this week while the last stampedes are still going on and I think the final one would be where the fuck was it uh the final one would be May 10th in Beaumont Texas bless them but we started building the thing with the Rocker Roll Express.

So bear in mind, I'll just go back real quick and tell you that, oh, God, damn. I'm trying to find our last day off, Brian. Oh, March 6th. Remember that date. March 6, March 6, March 6, March 6, March 6, March 6, March 6. That's the last day off we've had. We're now on April 23rd.

So let's begin there, shall we? New Orleans, as we were at that point in time still doing every week almost Monday nights in New Orleans, but this time we'd already done the last stampede at the Superdome, first week of April. So we came back to New Orleans

on Monday, April 23rd, with a Mid-South tag team title match against the Rocker Roll Express. And we had just been there the previous, actually we'd been there the previous week on the 16th with the Rock and Roll Express in a non-title match. And so now we came back with a title match, which we won basically with me poking Ricky in the throat with the racket when he rolled Bobby up and Bobby pulled the trunks and reversed the roll up one, two, three, so we stole it and got the

fuck out of there. But this is the preliminary stuff. The only angle that we had done with them yet was as I said was you know the cake thing so this is just people want to see the midnight and rock and roll and then this fucking week goddamn keep track of this we're in New Orleans on Monday that was an 800 mile round trip from our home in Alexandria right I'm not I'm sorry not an 800 mile round 400 mile round trip then the next day we were in Little Rock, Arkansas, which was 270 miles from Alexandria, as I mentioned, up that miserable country road. And it was a six-man tag with us and Butch Reed against the Rock Roll Express and Terry Taylor. And we did the same finish as the previous night in New Orleans, where we

beat the Rock Roll, except Butch was just paired off with Taylor. And Little Rock that night did an $18,000 house. We got 250 bucks. Then we had to go to Shreveport that night, which was 200 miles from Little Rock, because the next day on Wednesday was not only promos all day at Channel 3, but the TV taping for Mid-South Wrestling

that night at the Irish McNeil Boys Club. So we do the promos that day, and then that night, Brian, you remember this. This was the night on the first show, out of the two shows we did, I signed an open contract to wrestle tag team title bouts, right? But I've made specific exclusions as to who we wouldn't face, which was basically every

goddamn important baby face team in Mid-South Wrestling. And then we had the matches. And we beat Greg Kozlov and Jason Walker. And then we beat Greg Kozlov and Jason Walker. And then, we beat John King and Tony Torres and then who else answered the Open Challenge? You remember Mr. Wrestling 1 and 2 and I shit myself like I didn't think to exclude them what the fuck

you say I had a list they weren't on the list I had a list they weren't on it you know they weren't on the list because they were heels I never thought but as they come out I were like wait a minute what the fuck they hit the ring boom boom boom and it's the rock and roll express they've stolen the robes and the mass and they beat us for the tag team title belts there on television now that's the start of the angle but that won't air for a couple of weeks anywhere and for over a month and a lot

of the towns so we're still in the middle of this transition but that was the way that Dundee, to address the point of this, Dundee's booking, he got us involved with them, gave us a reason to be momentarily distracted, let the people have time to want it, and then brought it back. And we ended up not doing one program that year with the rocker roll, but two.

We did the one from April to July, and then when Jared called Watson said, hey, you know, those guys that I was trying to force on you last November, can you send me some back? I need help. So we beat the rock and roll. They went back to mid-sat, or back to Memphis for 60 days or 90 days or whatever it was. And then they came back, and we did another program with them, and they beat us in the loser leave town. And we left. So we got two, programs in one year, both that drew sellouts against the same team. And the scaffold matches. And the scaffold match, the only thing that beat the gate on the scaffold matches in most

of the towns was the last stampede. But nevertheless, so that was Wednesday. Well, go ahead. I was just going to say also what you said, it's set up a very angry. I remember Mr. Wrestling 2 or at that point, Mr. Wrestling 1 with Mr. Hercules behind them, you know, upset that these young kids, the Rock and Roll Express, stole their stuff. Yeah. Not very happy about it.

They're on drugs, listening to that rock and roll music. But that night also, that's, the next show we did was where I did the deal where I broke in on Y, D's interview, and he snatched me, but the Express came down and helped Butch Reed paint Y.D yellow to the yellow streak down his back. because not only was Butch working a program with dog obviously, but we were going to be as we were

in Little Rock there, in some six-man tags coming up where we would partner with Butch against dog and whoever, but all of that, and we were already with goddamn dog as staggerly in the last stampede's this was all fitting together. But then

it wouldn't be too awful long, until dog would leave. The Butch thing's interesting just because he was the heel that walked off when you guys beat up Watts. That was too much for him and he was a pretty bad heel.

And that was a point that they specifically made Watts put it in. I remember him telling Butch when this happens, you don't help and you don't hurt. You just, you don't want any part of it

and it's too much for you and you back off. And that was another, just the way Watts could make those subtle points where people go, oh shit. but that all happened on that TV,

so we're setting up not only midnight and rock and roll, butch and dog, butch and midnight against dog and rock and roll or whoever in six men's. So then we go back to Alexandria that night. That's another 130 miles. So we have come from goddamn Oklahoma all the way down to New Orleans, back up to Little Rock, over to Shreveport, spent from 9 o'clock in the morning until 10 o'clock that night doing promos and TV tapings,

get back to Alexandria at midnight, and the next day we got to go do the last stampede in Lake Charles, Louisiana, which was another hundred miles each way, where the last stampede, that was the diaper finish they put me in, but we did $31,000 at tickets of $10,8,7. and four. So that was the biggest house that they did all year in Lake Charles, and we got 500 bucks for it. So this week is, I'll spoil it, is going to be a $290 week for each of us. And I forgot where the inflation calculator was in 1984 as relates to now, but that's somewhere closing in on 10 grand in today's money. Hey, you know, just to make a quick aside, you brought it up the other day, Dundee, getting the

$3,000 payoff to lose his hair. And today's money, someone posted, was like $16,000. Yes, and that was twice. It was 32, because he got three for his and three for Bips. Yeah. 32 grand for work in Memphis two Monday nights. So anyway, after we get out of Lake Charles and get back home, on Friday, April 27th, and what was that last day I told you we had day off?

March 6th. Friday, April 27th, was a double shot. Have you ever heard of a double shot on a fucking Friday? No, especially during the school year. That's the point that we were in Hughes Springs, Texas at a goddamn school. They had an afternoon show with this school at 3 o'clock when all the kids let out, or when the school let out and all the kids were still there. So we did $5,300 in Hughes Springs, Texas on a Friday afternoon at 3 o'clock.

We wrestled staggerly and Hacksaw Duggan and got disqualified for Bobby jumping off the top rope. But we picked up $100, yay. But then we had to go to Texarkana, which was 80 miles away and have the Rocker Roll Express that night at 7.30. and put them over in a non-title match, picked up another $150. But that was 263, 6440 miles for the day we left at like 9 in the morning and didn't get back until fucking one in the morning.

And that is the first day I was ever in a business. I yelled at somebody in the office. I remember it plain as day. What happened? Because I yelled at Grizzly Smith. fucking we got to Hughes Springs late we got there it was two o'clock was an hour before bell time we probably came in at 220 and that day not only was it god damn we hadn't had a day off in six weeks we hadn't had any sleep in fucking six weeks my goddamn air conditioner

in the car stopped up to where it was dripping the water out underneath the dashboard on bob Bobby Eaton was riding in the front seat. It was raining on his feet. And I'm like, how much is that going to fucking cost to get fixed? When do I have time? What the fuck? We get there late. Grizzly says, I'm going to have to find you.

And I went off. I said, God damn it. I said, look at where we are in butt fuck Texas at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on a fucking Friday. We have it at a day off and forever. We have it. And Gris just let me go because he was used to it. because at some point everybody in that territory cracked,

you couldn't take it. And he just let me go and he said, okay, it's still $50, but do you feel better now? Like, yeah, I do. All right. Other than that, and maybe the Houston match, but I could be wrong, how many times were you actually fined in Mid-South?

That was it, I think, for me, personally. Were you fine for the Houston match too? No, as a matter of fact, no, this was it. This was the one because I didn't get fine for Houston. I didn't do any of the bad things. You were the one of the only people who didn't do everything wrong. Yeah. So I think this was my fine.

We might have been late one other time. But anyway, so then we get back to fucking Alexandria, like I said, that night. And thankfully, the next day, we were in Alexandria at the Repeeds Parish Coliseum so we actually could sleep until fucking whatever time. and that was the night of the last stampede in Alexandria. And again, these were raised prices, by the way, for Alex. Alex, when we first came in, Alex Lake Charles, they were $8.6 and $4, 8,000, 8,000, 8, 5, and 4, you know,

but they went 10, 8, 7, and 4, and we did $41,500. It was a record, it was a sellout, 6,100 people. and again, it made $600 that night for being home, short trip. But then, oh, goddamn, the next day we got another double shot. Because Hammond, Louisiana, there was a college there. I guess there still is, lest they've done something wrong. And they booked that college. It's in between Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

So we had the last stampede in Baton Rouge and New Orleans at Superdome. Superdome did 170 grand, right? The fucking Baton Rouge had done 40-something. But they booked the last stampede in Hammond, a town that that's the only, I think we ran it one more time the whole year we were there. And we only did 14 grand, which I think that was the worst of the last stampedes. but they'd seen it 40 miles in either direction already, right? But the thing is, they couldn't put me in a diaper

because they did that in a Superdome, and they couldn't put me in a dress because they did that in Baton Rouge. So you know what they did? They tard and feathered me. And that's the day the dog stuck the goddamn stuck the Cairo syrup down the front of my fucking shorts and then stuck a handful of feathers down there. I had to shave my crotch to get all the feathers out.

So the tickets there were 15, 10, 8, and 5. A steel. A steel. That's twice the price. A live Rocky Horror show, whatever was that. Yeah, there you go. So we did that in Hammond, Louisiana, that afternoon, and then went to Lafayette. Hammond was 160 miles from Alexandria.

Then we went to Lafayette, which was, I think, maybe about 100 miles away, and did the goddamn last stampede, another record house, another sellout at the auditorium there, 21,500 bucks. We got 300. And so that makes one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. If you count the TV matches, 11 matches in seven days that week, plus a six hour run of promos on Wednesday. So that was the week you finally cracked and yelled at someone from the office. What about Dennis and Bobby?

How they doing with this schedule and specifically around this period of time? And did they crack at anyone in the office before this? We, Bobby never cracked at anybody. Well, occasionally some just random people on the street if they were dicks. But I'm trying to find out, I think as we go further in this year, we'll find when Dennis cracked, he just disappeared for fucking. Two days, three days. We didn't see, no, it was two and a half days.

Because we didn't see him. And then he showed back up. And that's the way that he, that's why we didn't really think that it was permanent when he first disappeared in Crockett because we figured he did it in Mid-South. He was gone two days. I know he told us where he went when he came back and who he was with and what he was doing. And he had a wonderful time. And then everything was fine.

but we haven't got there yet. But that brings us to, basically we're going to go back on our next journey through this, back to New Orleans on Monday, April 30th, where we're against the Rock and Roll Express again with me handcuffed to Dr. Death. But we've still got about 10 more days of last stampedes and the initial Rock and Roll Express matches before we really kick that one into high gear. but we're about two weeks away from starting to draw big houses with the rock and roll like 60 grand in Houston,

fucking 40 grand in Oklahoma City. We're getting things back up as we near the summer. But that's, again, just to show you how Dundee had that put together, everything made sense, everybody's interactions over these TVs that were taped two at a time that something, sometimes wouldn't air in a town for five weeks. He was able to keep this straight so that nothing was out of place, that everybody was doing the finishes they were supposed to do off of the TVs

that they were supposed to do them off of when the town had just seen those TVs. And it was just, it was a logistical nightmare. And just the repetition, the number of these shows constantly. and it wasn't just ours. I just read off our matches, but I'll give you one sample card, the Alexandria card, underneath the last stampede.

It was Pat Rose versus Tony Torres, Masayo Ito against Jeff Young, Lanny Poffo against Mr. Wrestling 3 that would become, it was Hercules, he'd become two when two became one, blah, blah, blah. Jerry Gray against Dr. Death Steve Williams, Buddy Landell against Ricky Morton,

no DQ taped fist Texas tornado match with Hacksaw Duggan and Terry Taylor against Crusher, Crucev, and Butch Reed, and Magnum T.A. against Wrestling 2 for the North American title. And within the next two months, a lot of those guys would leave, new guys would come in, and they would rotate all those programs around.

Your thoughts, Brian? I love hearing all this. You know, this is my favorite, probably my favorite all, around year, 84 mid-south, best TV, just everything, the spirit of the show. Bill Watts, trying to be young. I just, I'm a spirit and rock and roll. You know, just the whole new kick. I can't wait.

We got to make sure we don't wait as long as we have. We got to do this. If we go week by week, maybe it'll be a little easier to get it on the show. We got to do this. A little easier to get it on the show, baby. And by the way, we finally do get a day off. I'll spoil it on Wednesday, May 2nd. So that was just short of two months in between days off from March 6th to May 2nd.

And what about getting your car fixed? I think I did that by the time we got to Dallas the following January. But anyway, all righty then. Speaking of the following January, it's going to be here before we know it. So I guess we had to close this show up so we could get ready for that, shouldn't we? We have a lot more action on the drive-thru and, of course, next week here on the experience. It's big stuff coming up. Big stuff on the big show.

And until then, we wish you a big thank you, a big fuck you, and a big bye-bye, everybody.