Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 400

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim looks at his TNA & OVW files! Plus Jim previews AEW All In: Texas! Also, Jim answers YOUR questions about Goldberg, Ron Garvin, Superman or Fantastic Four, Omaha, laminated programs, Brian Pillman, Steve Regal, songs, and much more!  Thanks to our episode sponsors: RAYCON:  Go to buyraycon.com/jce to get 15% off Raycon's best-selling Everyday Earbuds! SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/cornette Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Friends, and you are our friends. And welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru on a hot day. It is hot, and so is the wrestling talk. With this man, did I say my name? I'm the great Brian Last, your host. And here he is, the man who'll be answering your questions and doing who knows what else, the leader of the cult of Cornett, Mr. Jim Cornett. Oh, boy, howdy.

You just every... You know what you need to add to that organ, Brian? need a zither and an oboe. And then you could go, you could be a traveling court, not fortet, then you'd need another. How about a dobro along with the obo and the zither and the organ and you could travel around the country? I have some of those other sounds on this other thing here. Maybe I can get them all going at once.

Not now. I'd have to practice. Could you do the one-man band thing where you're pumping the thing with your foot and you're blowing the thing and you're clapping the symbols and you, you know, you're banging your head with the fucking drumstick on the back of the... Now, I can do the one-man band thing where I'm, like, surrounded by synthesizers and wearing sunglasses, and I just press something on each thing and things happen. Sunglasses are the biggest part of that, I guess, aren't they? It's attitude.

It's all about attitude. You've certainly got that. Hey, you know what I got? I got some smart people out there listening to our shows. Here's what I got. I'll include you and that. They listen to you, too, even though they're smart. and do you know

do you know that when I was talking about having black beauty in the shop last week as it had crossed 303,000 miles and was emitting hot burning stench and white smoke and shit, Greg Smith tweeted me and said, Jim, it sounds like your callipers. And son of a bitch, wouldn't you know who won a pony? Thanks to my man Tyler over at Spring.

Ringdale Automotive. He's a very nice guy. Guess what it was? You're not guessing. You just said it was the Framistat or whatever, Tyler. No, that was Tyler. The email man, Greg from Wisconsin. I don't remember where he was from. You didn't even retain it. I just said it. Did I not just get there? In the caliper, that's right. It was the calipers. Them damn crappy calipers. I got the calipers canned and replaced with new calipers. And he charged up my air conditioning too. It's still stuck on high on the fan, but it's cold now. What do you mean charged up?

Charged it up with the refrigerantating stuff. Because it was just, the heat worked great in the wintertime, but the air was still hot in the summertime that it was blowing. But he recharged that. Did he do anything with the doors that want to open in that torture van of yours? No, the door. I don't have air, but I was only torture was what I didn't have air, but I was only driving

five miles. No, the handles work from the outside, and one of them still works from the inside. It's a little loose. But I'm the only one that can't get out. But I don't want to just be throwing money away frivolously. You've got to go to the dealer for that and parts and all that shit. Has anyone had the tough conversation with you?

Like Jim, we know you love this car, and in some form you can keep it forever. But it may not be, road acceptable at some point? Who would it be that would have that conversation? Your mechanic? No, they said it's a Ford truck for God's sake. It's a goddamn symbol of American

fucking pride and engineering. Ooh, I've started to talk myself out of it. No, it's a durable piece of machinery. Just there's cosmetic... But it's old. Issues. It's old. Well, I told you I'm not going to be fiscally irresponsible. You say it's a Ford like that makes it okay to be old.

Why don't you drive a Model T then? Well, we are looking into the potential restoration of the Cadillac LaSalle. I forgot about that. But no, why am I going to spend the money that it would take to buy any acceptable used vehicle just to drive 35 miles a week? Or you could spend some of your hard-earned money and get yourself a gigantic, flashy for you, car, something that really makes you feel like you're the cock of the walk. or the highway, I guess.

Spend some money, get something nice. There's plenty of cocks on the highway. Hey, listen, who cares if you put two miles out of a month? I don't get something good. I don't want to attract any attention. Same as when I just go about my daily weekly activities in any public place. I'm not trying to attract any attention. The biggest truck anyone has ever seen.

Yeah, you know, Jerry, any attention. Who's that guy in the biggest car I've ever seen of my life? But it's black. It blends in. How's he going to park that thing? Where's he going to park that thing? I park at the back of the parking lots, and I walk up so that I'm unmolested on all sides, and I fold my mirrors in.

When was the last time you parked the car on the street? Oh, Jesus Christ. I mean, this may be a really stupid question, because I've never driven anything that big. You can't parallel park. Like, that's out of the question, correct? Oh, yeah. God damn it. if you're good enough, which I ain't, you can parallel park a goddamn truck fucking dragging a 18-foot trailer.

And I see these various work people, various types of trades doing this all the time around the area. But I couldn't do that. But yes, you can parallel park a Ford Expedition. You can parallel park any drivable consumer vehicle, pretty much, or any, you can, I saw that fucking guy that brought the action figure, he goddamn backed a full-size tractor trailer, what a 60 foot, 40-foot trailer and 20-foot cab,

whatever that measurement is, just backed it in on a dime on a place. You can back anything. But I don't like to as to answer your question. I can't, the last time I parked on a street, I don't, it would have been in downtown Louisville in the last five years because I was down there once or twice, but I try to find a lot whatever possible.

And it's a handful of times that I parked on the street just because I don't like to park on a fucking street in a middle of downtown. Feel like you're just leaving your goddamn transportation out there saying, come and molest me, criminals of all shapes and size. But could you even find parking spots that would fit your car? Well, that's another thing is you can't just parallel park if it's one goddamn spot that's only for the size of.

of a car, that's another hindrance, and I get the idea that people will come by and side swipe me. So I like to, I like to be off in a corner somewhere. But I don't go almost anywhere at any time where there's a necessity to park on a street. That's part of the perks of being old, semi-retired, and fucking reasonably goddamn homebound. I still don't think there's anything prohibiting you from getting a brand new nice car that you would love. I would rather, I would love the money more than I want to spend to do the limited amount of driving that I'm doing. Stacey has a brand new car, it's a year and a half old or whatever. You could put Black Beauty in the yard, you know, every now and that's sitting it.

Look about the good times, the burger towels, the condiments. You know, I still, there's ketchup and salt and pepper still in the goddamn, um, From when? The thing, I guess it's a sunglass compartment up there, but I had it right above the rearview mirror where I just popped the thing open and there comes to catch up the salt

and the peppers. You keep it the sunglasses thing? That's where you keep the condiments. Well, it was easily accessible while I'm driving with my left hand and I don't wear sunglasses. It never just fly out. It comes down in a controlled manner

so you can grab the specific thing you want. Well, it folds down and there's a little lip so you kind of reach up over it you feel the difference in the ketchup and the salt and pepper. You got any bread in your wheel well or anything? What else he got going on? No, when the guy was changing my oil, he found a baked potato up on the engine

wrapped in the loombo. So thank you. Again, Tyler, you're my fellow if you're listening. I don't know he listens to the show. He's just, he's a wrestling fan, but he, I don't think he follows closely the various goings on of what what's going on or what we're doing for that matter. He's got his own life over there. You know who else has a life?

Why are you yelling at me? You know who else has a life? I'll tell you who has a Sean Delaney over in Evansville or wherever he lives, he's in the perimeter of that. I don't know if he might be out of town. Sean Delaney has been doing the history of professional wrestling at Evansville, the books, a series he did from starting in 1959 when Evansville was its own little territory, and Rip Hawk was the Sputnik Monroe of Memphis of Evansville.

And then through the 60s when the town was dark, after Bruiser had left and before Jarrett came in, but there were still forces trying to get in, and the Coliseum had gone sideways, was closed for so long. And now he's gotten to the first year of Jerry Jarrett running Evansville, 1970 to 71, and he's including what was going on. And this is, I don't know offhand how far it is from Evansville, Indiana to Paducah, Kentucky. It's not that terribly far.

but Evansville to Owensboro, Kentucky is like fucking 60 miles or whatever it was. And there were weekly matches at one point. Phil Golden was running Paducah with his own TV show and his own crew that would later on spread out, remember Brian All-Star wrestling with Phil Golden and run opposition to Jarrett in Evansville and Louisville and Goulos, opposition to Goulos, various places. in 72 and 73, Phil Golden's running Paducah. Nick Gullis out of the Nashville office is running Owensboro every week. And God damn, and Jared opens up Evansville.

So there's like three different crews going into a very small geographic period during that time. Anyway, and he sent me the book so you can look it up, folks. History of Professional Wrestling in Evansville by Sean. Evan, in Evansville, in Evansville by Sean Delane. Have you got yours yet, Brian? You've had time now to Google it already. He doesn't send me books, so I don't have his book.

Well, Sean, apparently, has been publicly served. Yeah. Upon which, Sean, contact me, and I will give you the appropriate place to send Brian's book. Don't email me asking for favors, but you don't even send me your fucking book. That's what I say. Well, did he email you?

asking for a favor? Oh, yeah. Why is it? You know what? Every time I mention somebody, it seems like, even when we're off the air, I'll say, well, so-and-so sent me something just out of the blue that I didn't ask for, and you will have a contradictory story where so-and-so asked me to do something that didn't send me shit.

Yeah. It's like they're keeping a list. Well, we were nice to one, so we got to be naughty to the other. And actually, to be fair, I have some of his previous books. From you mentioning them, I went and got them. But, uh... Oh, so yeah, he bought it. So, you know, he chased me off as a, as a reader, I guess.

Well, but maybe he'll lure you back with, uh... I'm gonna put out a history of Evansville series of books starting next year. It'll be everything that's in his books plus more. Now with more stuff. Now with less Evansville. More everything. No. Yeah.

No, but good luck with the book. Yes. Sean, I'm sure with a rave review like that, you're going to hit the bestseller list of the Evansville and Hooterville Gazette down there. But anyway, this is your show, but I told you before we went on the air that everybody has been apparently tweeting

and or emailing or commentating or however they reach out to ourselves, yourself a lot more than myself. I'm unreachable. But they love the old paperwork that I've been pulling of the TNA stuff, the talent reports to the W.W.E. Whatever

the case. And I told you before we went on the air, well, I said, well, let me see, because I have, wait a minute, one, two, three, I have 12 built-in file cabinet drawers,

file drawers in my wall cabinet here and they're two and a half feet deep a piece and they're completely fucking jammed. And things are kind of in genre. Like here's a bunch of T and A shit. So I pull a handful out or OVW. I pull a handful

out or whatever. And so we've got, I could be reading for a while. I don't know if all of this stuff is interesting, but there's some of it I was just looking at that may be interesting. because I just filed this away as paperwork 25 years ago or 20 years ago or whatever it was, not understanding that with the benefit of hindsight and 15 or 25 years or whatever and, et cetera, that it would be hilarious to read it to people.

But here we are. So I found something, I've got a couple of OBW things, which we'll get to, but I found something that I thought would help better explain the task that I was trying to undertake in TNA as a producer. Because nominally it doesn't sound like that this would be, you know, ditch digging in terms of being a television wrestling match producer, right, Brian? I mean, there's people working harder than that in the world. but you know the thing it was mentally somewhat challenging and i've explained that as the producer or the agent whatever the terminology was here was the job for me or anybody in that position you sit in the production meeting and you hear what creative wants for the different segments

matches whatever on the television show and then if it's your match to produce or you are in charge of it you will go you will get with all the talent in a match including the referee and any anybody that's involved in that and you will explain to them what the creative vision is and you will get their input and try to give some of your own in laying it out to make it entertaining hit the time get to the objective they're trying to get to and then I would get with the announcers if there was anything oddball that they needed to say or be aware of or make sure don't

miss this. And then you would go and you'd get in the truck and you would convey it to the director specifically and the producer of the crew as to, okay, don't miss this camera shot or don't miss that or whatever

or he's climbing the ropes, he's going to fucking leap off and be impaled on a goddamn barbed wire spike. Whatever. So it's shepherding that process, right? And it entails a lot of detail work, but one would think that it wouldn't be that difficult. However, I found an email because this is an email from Dutch Mantel to me on Thursday for the upcoming TV tapings that we were going to be doing that Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, right? So this is Thursday, so this is Thursday, March 5th.

2009. Dutch is still there, as you can tell, because there hasn't been the blow up with Jeff and Dixie yet and the mass firings have yet to begin. But at the same time, this is before they left and were gone. This is the kind of stuff that I was dealing with. He wanted to give me a heads up about one of the matches that I was going to be working on at that upcoming set of tapings. And before anybody thinks, when I read this, they say, oh, my God, I always thought Dutch Mantel knew

what he was doing. This is not what Dutch Mantel wanted. In particular, this is what Dutch Mantel in with a group of people, such as our friend, Mr. Russo, and the Stoge, what was his name, Matt Conway that they put on, and Jeff was overseeing this. And then also there was, who knows what kind of forces were going on in the office there, right?

But this is what the creative team had come up with to convey to me so that I could get with the talent and lay it out. And he's given me the story and the match. So have I summarized that right, Brian? I think so. In that case, now that I've taken a deep breath, I will try to start this email from Dutch Mantel. Jimmy, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is the following.

Here's the story. The second show on Tuesday has a cage gauntlet match with 20 or so guys. It is an elimination match with two guys starting and a new one enters every two minutes. This will be on during the second hour, and it'll more or less take up the whole hour. It is scheduled for four segments, and we'll probably do this in real time, and when we come back from breaks, we'll replay what happened during the break. The story is, is that everybody is competing to be the captains of the two teams that

face each other in the lethal lockdown match on the pay-per-view. When it gets down to two guys, we will know our captains. The winner's team will then get the advantage on the pay-per-view, which means that the winning team gets the one-up advantage when a new member enters war games rules, right? The winner of the match is the one who exits the cage first. Also... Wait, wait, so every two minutes someone enters... Yes. And the winner is the first person to leave.

Well, only when he gets down to two guys. Okay. I wasn't watching T&A at this point, so these stipulations are new to me. Well, and honestly, if anybody wants to look this up anywhere you can find it and watch it, I don't remember a goddamn thing about

what I had to do with this match. I'm reading this right now, and I'm, oh, yeah, I remember the fucking email. But anyway, but listen to me now, here. Hear me what I'm telling you. Everybody's competing to be the captains of the two teams that will face each other in the lethal lockdown match on the pay-per-view.

But there's 20 or so guys in the match. So some fucking schlub could technically win this and be the captain of the... And then... Again, once you get down to the last two, we know the captains, but then they will fight to see which one gets out next, and he'll be the winner of the and to get the advantage in the thing, you see.

Right? Also, the first two guys that start will be Abyss and AJ. We want them to more or less have a match between themselves for the entire match. The reason for that is when AJ and Abyss get eliminated, we will announce that just announced for next week is a legend's title match. AJ will have defeated Booker at the pay-per-view to become champion with AJ taking on Abyss. The second story of the match is that Kurt and Jeff hate each other.

Now, this could be a little fucking art imitating life here at the time. Jeff is not originally in the match, but he puts himself into it during the first segment in ring by saying he's getting in to keep Kurt from winning. Later on, early in the first hour, Kurt attacks Jeff as he is talking to the young guys by telling them that Kurt is bound and determined to take over the company. And if he does, everybody in that room will be let go. Kurt will then enter the room with a weapon and attack Jeff and we have a big pull apart.

And Kurt goes ballistic and vows that everybody in that room is dead tonight in the gauntlet match. Here's the guy. This is going to, all this reasoning is going to take place the build in the first hour. Here's the guys in the match in no particular order. A.J. Abyss, Chris Saban, Consequences Creed, Alex Shelley, Coyoshi, homicide, Steiner, Booker, no limit one and two. Who are no limit one and two? I don't know. I thought that was master of me. I don't. Kurt, Jeff, Shane, Shane, Shane, can't remember what Shane that was right now.

Matt Morgan, Sheik Bashir, that's Davari, Samoa Joe, Hernandez, Eric Young, and possibly Nash. But he says, I'm going to suggest that Nash not be in the match, but accompanied Kurt to the ring to help on the finish. Okay, that's the setup. Here's my entry list. I think it's pretty good down through 10 where it kind of breaks down.

Abyss at AJ Start. Number three is Shelly. Number four is lethal. Number five is Saban. Number six is Matt Morgan. The idea is that Abyss and AJ keep the match going between themselves for the to build the legend's title match.

But Morgan would enter the ring and attack Abyss while AJ lays out. And then A.J. and Abyss would both come back on Morgan and eliminate him. And then Morgan will do something to Abyss the next week, keep him from winning the title from AJ. And then homicide. And then Steiner. And then Creed. And then Jeff.

Now see if you can guess maybe who might be behind this. A little bit of creative here, Brian. See if anybody's fingerprints are smeared on this. Jeff comes down the ramp, but Kurt from out behind the announced desk ambushes Jeff with a weapon, chair, pipe, or bat and lays him out. Jeff gets juice and never gets to enter the rig,

referees and security out with trainers attending to Jeff. Jeff lays there while the match goes on with that. 11 no limit 1 12 Kurt down to the ring with Nash Jeff is still laid out Kurt attacks Jeff again before he enters the cage and he's a wild man Kurt goes nuts in this part ankle locks

couple guys they tap out like Creed lethal homicide now the heels have the advantage and Abyss and AJ are still at it Booker T in Booker attacks AJ. Abyss in to help. AJ takes the fall on Booker.

Before Booker leaves, he does something to AJ, which allows Kurt or Abyss to grab the fall on AJ. Then Kurt takes one on Abyss. Trainers then help a bloody Jeff to the back. Now not only did he not win, he's hurt, and he's out of the match. No limit to. Anglelock, tap out. Shane the glamour boy, Shane, the guy, Shane Sewell from Puerto Rico.

Glamour boy, Shane, that he was working there. Bashir, Eric Young, Kurt takes him out, heels beating up the baby faces, Hernandez in, big comeback. And then as the heels take the win on Hernandez, I guess by the numbers game, we see a bloody Jeff his security is trying to hold him back as he does the spirit of 76 down the ramp. Jeff gets in, everybody needs to think he's going to win it. He takes a fall on Steiner.

And then he turns attention to Kurt. But Nash fucks Jeff somehow and Kurt thinks he's won the gauntlet. But then we hear Samoa Joe music. Joe down to the ring. Joe and Kurt go two to three minutes. The finish is both of them going through the ring door to the floor in a tie.

And he says, I know it's scrambled, but if you'll use your computer laser-like brain, we can figure this bad boy out. Did anyone ever say to Russo? I mean, forget about bad booking and bad ideas and disagreements, but in terms of you're asking us to put together matches that are really, really difficult to put together because it's overly intricate in the worst possible ways. Did anyone ever, like, tell them that this is a difficult task? Well, this wasn't even as, in all honesty, except maybe for some of the talent,

and the busyness of the multiple, this would, there's the skeleton of a decent pay-per-view ultimate blow-off match in here somewhere, but it's an hour of weekly television to build of the pay-per-view. So where you're not going to see 20 bleeding men bashing each other with bats at a cage for an hour, he would give the people every, so much of everything that there was no reason to pay for it yet. And not only is, because not only do you have to lay this out,

I was going to say this wasn't as bad as that 30-man brawl all over the impact zone and out into the, Universal Studios that we had four different camera setups for in four different locations. That was a challenging one that day. But the idea that then you have to go to all these people and not just to lay everything out, there's got to be a finish laid out for somebody of everything, but also then you're dealing with the goddamn personalities. And then he'll just write down and so-and-so takes a fall on Scott Steiner.

Well, how long is it going to take to figure out how that's going to happen? Right? Yeah. And then, you know, I suggested Nash not being this match, you I think. And then after you do that and you get everybody's, you know, and I mean, no limit two is going to do whatever the fuck you tell him. I'm not saying it's 15 of those. But then, then you have to go to the production crew. and say, okay, we're going to be here for a while

because I'm going to explain to you who you're shooting, when you're shooting, what fuck's going on. Don't worry about the ring while the star is being carried out on a fugging stretcher to come back later on. And that was one of, and that was one day out of three days in a row that we were shooting shit.

That was one match of that night that I was, yeah. What do you think Dutch was thinking? Because obviously he's the one e-mails. telling you he's the one i know i know what dutch was thinking if we didn't talk about it well he said we need to figure out the order of elimination and how we're going to break feel free to suggest tweak change or otherwise screw this up as much as i have and putting it together here it can't get worse it can only improve help we need it because it and you know but so you want to be a producer kid

and then anyway, I got some OVW stuff. Oh, cool. And well, I haven't read this stuff in 25 years, so bear with me if I, because I did get wordy back in those days when I actually cared about imparting

knowledge to people. So I will pick through this, but there was a memo I sent to the talent when we got on WBKI here, the WB station, when they came into I've told that story before of how they came into market.

And before, Danny's originally, the OVW show was on a low power station here in Louisville that didn't have any viewership or any reach. I think that's the one that a couple of women were running out of a fucking mobile home,

right? And when we finally landed that, we instantly got on full cable coverage, the top tier of channels, as they say, the top 10, Channel 7. and boom we had an audience. And I'm trying to explain to everybody was there then because this was early developmental talent.

This was, I think, May, no, yeah, May of 2000. So this was the very earliest developmental talent and a bunch of guys that Danny had trained, but I mean, Densmore, Conway, people that would soon be heard of. But they'd never really been on TV before where anybody actually saw it. So I gave them, you know, a memo saying you will, this will make you, this will make a noticeable difference in your life. You will be recognizable in the Louisville area because our first week did a one rating. And a second week was a 1.1. And this was, it said we're just this week or next week going to be included in the TV listings because the press deadlines.

So we hadn't even got going yet, but because of the viability of the station, you know, we already had an audience. And I know somebody said one time, do you remember when somebody said, oh, Cornett's a liar, he's bullshit. OVW did a one rating. That'd be like a million and a half people or whatever, like this blithering dip shit, didn't know the difference between a national one and a local one. That's right. but we were doing well on a local basis there, as they say. But anyway, I said our main purpose at OVW is to be as good as we can be

teaching you as much as you can learn and get everyone prepared for a job into big leagues. There are a number of things I'm seeing you can correct to help yourselves accomplish this. If you're not serious enough about this to do these things, we need to know now so you can move aside for the folks that really want it. Look professional. Keep your tights clean. Go to a dry cleaner, get the sleeves of your jackets or pants to him to the proper length for $10. Keep your shirt tails tucked in or pin the goddamn things inside your pants.

Always being gimmick when performing on any show in front of people. One of the flea market shows, guy forgot his bag. in sweatpants. Conditioning is important, including referees, drop the pot bellies, get in the gym, or get on a diet,

and improve your cardio. The WWF wants athletes who can work, if you can work your ass off and still look like a fat hobo, you might as well fold your tent. We are attracting a large amount of talent and would have come here for training.

In addition to the contract employees, there will be competition for spots. The talent that is in shape, focus, dedicated, and can go will be featured and the others will not stay in the hunt. At St. Therese last week, the baby-faced locker room was almost a ghost town during the two main events.

Watch the matches. You learn by watching almost as much as by doing. All WWF contract talent is required from this point forward to watch as many matches as possible and non-contract talent is encouraged to because sometimes they had to, we had to put some guys on early if they were working the night shift bartending or whatever right if they didn't have a contract so sometimes we had to let guys out early but anyway it is mandatory now that all of you can see the tv show because some people couldn't actually get the fucking tv show and still lived here in town on the old station uh now that all of you can see the tv show watch it each week or tape it it it looks considerably different after post-production, you'll learn from the commentary.

All of you have the potential for a career in this business. Some of you a lot of potential, but all the potential in the world is not good enough without focus, effort, desire, and opportunity. We are not home movies anymore. We're establishing a real territory and setting up contacts with other promoters. We're increasing our involvement with the WWF in several areas. Don't be left out. So a good little rah-rah speech, right? Because this wasn't a year into the program yet. What was the date on that? Well, it was, we debuted on WB in May of 2000.

So somewhere around there, first week or two. So are there any specific talents you'd be addressing indirectly, with any of those specific complaints about the way you dress? Actually, more of the local guys that all of a sudden weren't realized, and they were about to get left back if they, a lot of guys that Danny trained thought they were probably just going to do this here for fun and a few of them got chances to do it for real

because they were good. But remember I've said, Mr. Black, you're 22 years old, you weigh 420 pounds. If you weigh 350, I can get you a contract with the fucking WWF. And he wouldn't lose weight, shit like that. So I'm trying to prepare the guys that they're going to be held to a higher standard. In your head, as you're writing that, are you thinking about Bill Watts and the memos you got in Mid-South? Well, yes, but I mean, just any memo from...

Were there a lot of memos other than Bill Watts? Well, no, I guess Dusty didn't give out memo. I don't want to first. Watts didn't get to give out nearly as many memos as much. I did, though. I was a memo guy, because these people didn't know any of this stuff or didn't know anything of what we were about to teach them. So with Watts, he just sent out a memo whenever guys had pissed him off. If I did that, I sent out more memos than I goddamn sent out, I guess, but you know what I mean. Like one time, and I have it on video,

Dennis Caruso gave a really fired up locker room speech because the previous show, and I won't say who it was because I don't think they've accepted it was them even though it was them. One of the wrestlers was given, as you would say, the Iggy by the referee, time to wrap up. And the exact words were, fuck Carl Luzzo, I'm getting heat. And Dennis gave this whole speech about, look,

we have to have a schedule. We're not just wrestling as long as you want, and he gives this whole fire-up speech. Yeah. The wrestler he was talking about wasn't there. Oh, shit. So the next time we had to show. him the videotape of the speech. It was so awkward. It's like, here's the speech

you would have heard. He has to sit there and watch a video of it. Here's the speech you caused that you would have heard if he was he supposed to be there? He was, I believe. And he didn't, well, he didn't show up. So there you go. Anyhow, I, this is something

and actually, I didn't even remember I sent this at all. But this was after, well, it's attached to, to, let me, see what if there's a goddamn date on this the fucking paper clip is fossilized it's the wrestling observer obituary for crash holly and it doesn't have i can't find a date do you know what year that was offhand uh geez 2002 2003 somewhere in there i think it's Brian solomon would know well he ain't here uh but it's the ovee

W letterhead for my letter has our new building address, so I assume it was after 2002. But anyway, I copied and I have a read the obituary in quite some time, so I don't know what points were made, but apparently I thought it was something that should have been conveyed. But the cover letter is to all the talent from me. and it says we speak often of success stories in our business, but perhaps we don't speak often enough about the other side of the coin. The death of Crash Holly a few weeks ago seems to be the opportunity to do that. Crash was one of the first talents put on developmental contract five years ago.

And the reason for that was, and Brian, do you remember, we haven't even talked about this since in the 10 years you and I've been doing this show. but the San Francisco shows that Vic Grimes and Crash Holly's original name that he was a leprechaun, Aaron O'Grady. Aaron O'Grady. But the tapes that actually is Stacy's friends, Ron and Ron Head and J.R. Benson.

Yeah, that's where I first saw him. That's where I first saw him. Aaron O'Grady, yeah. They sent us from California, and it was, you know, obviously there was a lot of guys, hey kids, let's put on a show. and then there's these two guys. And for various reasons to me,

for varying reasons, I should say, different reasons, both of them stood out. Grimes was the big fucking, he was another Mick Foley in that he had just a repulsive looking fat fucking body and a bald fucking head, blah, blah, blah. But he could move and do all this shit

and take the bumps and everything. But okay, as Denny Crumman, him said. I don't want guys to know how to play basketball. Just give me guys can jump. I'll teach him how to play basketball. And Aaron O'Grady was a complete opposite. He's too small, but he's got, he's a great athlete. He's, you know, built well and is an incredible worker with the shit he can do. So we got, I got them the tryout match they had in, I guess it was at a Ross, San Francisco, whatever, and they got two of the early developmental deals when at that point, the only place to go was down to Memphis first with Lawler and then, you know,

later on with Randy Hales. But as I've said, Grimes turned out to me, he just couldn't get his head out of fucking garbage wrestling and couldn't get the picture mentally and pissed him off and they fucking ran him off. Well, they didn't run him off. They don't have to run you off to the W.W.F. They fired him. New Jack ran him off, the scaffold.

Well, New Jack ran him off of life, I guess. But with Crash, he had a better mindset for it, and he made it. But anyway, so I'll continue the memo here. Crash was one of the first talents put on developmental contract five years ago. His story is remarkably similar to many of yours. He had a good WW run, but ended up being miserable there, being let go, and dying at the age of 32. Why was he unhappy, or why was he so unhappy with his job that he developed an alcohol problem,

or was it his problem that made him unhappy at his job? Did the WW quit using him well, then not at all because of this problem, or did the problem stem from them not using him? We may never really know, but hopefully we can learn a lesson from it. I liked Crash, and I'm no way trying to blame him for anything. but all of you can heed some advice from this situation. Open your eyes to the realities of the profession you're entering. It's positives and its negatives.

Be sure you enjoy what you enjoy about wrestling enough to offset the bullshit. Be prepared that in this business, it's talent and luck, and sometimes the chances you get or the way that you're used aren't fair. Be prepared at all times to take advantage of an opportunity you're given and hit a home run. Don't feel once you get to the WWE roster that you have the pull to show up late or impaired or complain about your push.

If you start making money, take half-ass care of it because it may or may not always be that way. Pay attention to all aspects of the business because you may need to branch out at some point to stay employed or successful. And feel free to enjoy being young at a worldwide superstar and being on TV and pay-per-view without feeling like you have to turn it into Keith fucking Richards

and or Courtney Love and screw all of it up. With the style of work these days, you'll probably be prescribed enough pills already without building up a tolerance so you're screwed when you really need them. There are a lot of people who lead great lives from this business, but there are some who don't. I'm not telling you to be saints, but I am telling you to be smart. And you know what?

That kind of got to me. Yeah, I could tell. I could tell. Because I don't remember doing that, but I did. You know, the Crash Holly thing is interesting. There's an episode of Shut Up and Russell at Brian Solomon that I was a guest on, and he told the story. I brought him up earlier, half joking, but it's true.

He was writing for WWE magazine. and I want to say it was like something innocent, like an article on short wrestlers or he made reference to him being a shorter wrestler, which was his gimmick, you know? Yes. He got really offended by it and started harassing Brian Solomon. Oh, good Lord.

And it turned out apparently he was bothering other people. At some point, he just became miserable up there and was determined to take it out on other people. and then the way Brian Solomon tells it, again, S-U-A-W-Podd.com, someone got word to Shane McMahon, who was running the magazine. And then one day, Shane just comes over to Solomon in the office, like, hey, that thing, it won't be a problem anymore. It walks away.

But, and that's, you know, again, we don't know what caused the problems, what were the problems. Obviously, we've learned a lot since then about concussions and about a number of things. You know, you talk about those early shows in San Francisco. I remember one. I think he may have been on it. I want to say J.R. and Ron did it either like Valentine's Day or Father's Day. It was like a weird holiday to do a show. They brought like Candido and Sabu out.

Oh, the Father's Day Bash. Father's Day Bash in 94. That's right. Yes. Because Candido and Tammy asked off that weekend for me. And Stacey was on a show. As a matter of fact, I've got the poster. Well, that was the first time I ever saw Matt Heisen.

There was some really small. skinny guy who jumped like onto his head on the floor. It looked awful. And then like a year later, he was Spike Dudley. Spike Dudley. But point be, even if it wasn't about crash, because the topic came up a couple of weeks ago of how, what kind of advice did I give guys or, you know, guys in Ring of Honor of OVW or try out seminars or whatever.

And then it came up again. We were talking about Moxley saying, don't have a back. up plan. Give this your all sleep in your car until you fucking sell your blood. Foot on the gas into the water on the gas, baby. Yeah. Well, that's what I was

telling the guys in OVW in writing. Here, here is this. This is, can you can you say that whether the subject was drugs or ego or mad about your payoff or anything, that

there was anything in there that a goddamn young aspiring wrestler should not have heard. No, I think it's something that they all needed to hear. It's something that not a lot of guys necessarily would hear, especially in writing. Every now and then, you know, you'd hear about like Vince McMahon pulled everyone together to give a speech. But it's an important message.

Do you think guys listen to it? You're doing your job and you're doing everything you can as the trainer and also as a responsible person, but do you think you have a receptive audience? When the guys are that young and doing it? these things? If I had the list of, you know, probably 40 guys that this one and girls that this went out to, I could tell you because the ones that listened either still have their money or have a job if they want one now or had never had a goddamn drug habit

or hopefully been in fucking problem with the law. And then there's probably some who in that room who didn't listen because they aren't around anymore. There's a few of those too. But anyway, on a lighter topic, Brian, you've heard we used to not only give out memos, but have you heard about the quizzes I used to give out sometimes in OVW? I think so, yes. And I had to, this was one I gave to, oh, God damn it. Well, hold on, who are the names? Because everybody's got their name on it. So let me see if I can identify anybody. This was Slick Robbie D. What was that, the year 2000. RICO, 2001. Well, BJ Payne, he would have been that. The early 2000s, I gave everybody 25 guys at the time.

a wrestling quiz. Well, not even a wrestling quiz, just a quiz for a special project. I said, this data is for something I'm compiling for OVW. So fill this out tonight because there was no Google back then, right? Nobody's going to fucking look this up on their cell phones. I said, I don't want you to take it home and look the shit up, do it in the locker room. Nice. 10 questions.

Brian, see how you can do, because I was grading them one point. for each 10's a perfect score. And I said, at the bottom, please don't one smart ass, Jason Lee, go around copying everybody's shit. I want this to be a shoot.

And Rip doesn't count because we know he's going to get a perfect 10. So anyway, would you like to take this, Brian? Yeah, sure. Number one, who invented basketball? On Naismith.

You are correct. Out of 25 test, 14, got it right. Who is Lou Thes and why is he famous? Lou Thesz, sometimes called Lajos Tiza, sometimes called Aloysius Lewis Thes.

Lots of different names. He was just a kid fooling around in St. Louis in the 30s. I wanted it, had a dream. I was going to accept, I was going to accept a world champion, greatest of all time any just vague thing like that

right remember seeing that his real name is Lajos T's and then it's like his real name is Alohius Lewis says like wait one of these is wrong so I don't know well but it was it was it's a translation out of the original mugwomp I don't know let's continue here

yes please nine of them nine of them had an answer I would consider acceptable to fill in both of those main topics. But of course, Rip filled in youngest and oldest NWA champion of all time, six-time NWA champion

last match at age 70, blah, blah, blah, the press name. It went into detail, right? But nine. Okay, what team, Brian, did Babe Ruth play for? We played for several teams, most famously the New York Yankees. Well, and I accepted that answer and, of course, Rip again. Original Boston traded to traded to Yankees, finished career with Boston. 24 out of the 25 got that.

Wow. Isn't that interesting? Number four. That goes to the argument that he's the most famous athlete of all time and the most easily identifiable athlete of all time to a lot of people. I may not be that way now. I mean, this is 25 years ago, whatever. That's pretty interesting.

Following up, number four, who is Tutsmont, and what did he do? He was a wrestler, a stretcher, a hooker, whatever you want to say, and eventually he was the partner of Vince McMahon Senior in the Capitol Wrestling Office, and I think that went into the early 70s. He had his problems with various people over the years. Guess how many kids? correct answers I got. Oh, if you got nine for Luthes, you got four, I'll say. One. Rip Rogers. Wait, why is Rip taking the test? He's not talent. He was on the, no, he was, he was in the locker room.

He might have been on the card. This was early. So, you know, he might have still been, been working at the time, but everybody in the particular locker room at night got to take the test. Did he write Gold Dust Trio? Well, yeah, I mean, his writing is horrible, but, you know, it's all there. Number five, what college football team did OJ. Simpson play for? Syracuse. Well, I don't think that's correct. I think it was USC. Oh, USC.

Fuck. I'm actually, yeah, that's exactly right. I'm thinking of, but the point is, hold on, let me, wait a minute, let me ask Rip. Yep, USC. But 13 of them. them knew that. Number six, who trained Rick Flair and in what territory did he begin his career? Vern Gagne, A-W-A. You are correct, and four people knew that. Number seven. That's crazy. Name the man who won the first Ali Frazier fight in Madison Square Garden in 1971.

Frazier. You are correct, sir. Nine people knew that. It was only the fight of the century. Name the man who defeated Bruno Samertino for the WWWF title in Madison Square Garden in 1971. Ivan Kohloff. Three. Three. Now, when you're giving us test, this is still mostly local OVW guys, not WW. No, that's, hold on.

I'll give you the list of names here in a second as I go through it. I just didn't want to get clustered up in the details. but two more questions. Number nine, what do Joe Lewis, Rocky Marciano, and Muhammad Ali have in common? World heavyweight champions who participated in wrestling. I wouldn't even, I didn't even want it that narrow. I would have taken world heavyweight boxing champions. But all three were actively, I mean, Dempsey was really involved for a while if you really go look at them.

I didn't say Dempsey. Who did you say? You said Joe Lewis. Joe Lewis, Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali, but they still got Rocky Marciano. Marciano refereed fucking Sutnik and Billy Wicks in Memphis. 59. Joe Lewis wrestled and refereed. Ali,

had a little tiff with anoki we heard about. But 13 people knew that they were World Heavyweight Boxing Champions. Last question. What do Whipper, Billy Watson, Pat O'Connor, and Gene Kineski have in common? Oh, you know, I was going to say Canadian World Heavyweight champions, but Pat O'Connor is not from Canada. No. In international. Billy Watson, Pat O'Connor, Gene Kineski.

National NWA champions. Yeah, well, actually, NWA champions, because remember Watson? From outside the States. They were all born outside the States, is what I meant. I didn't even, I was just going for, here's the thing. The NWA champions at the same time as the previous boxers that they knew were boxing champions, these were the wrestling champions, right? Yeah.

Two people. knew that. This is a locker room of wrestlers. And again, RIP got 100% and I told him not to fucking tell anybody. But I was able to then call them all together the next week and say,

you blithering dipshits, you realize that you have just told me that you know more about basketball and football and boxing and baseball than you do. the business that you are trying to make money and have a professional career in? Does that make you ashamed and feel like idiots? And does that make you want to learn more about who has done this and why and why you should

emulate or not emulate the shit that they did? And then they were like, yeah. Did anyone pull a Sputnik Monroe and say, I'm not ashamed to be an idiot? Well, no, unfortunately. Nobody had that much personality. But that's when I started giving them all the shit to read, the reading material. Hold on, I'll tell you. The names here, let me sit up straight.

My back hurts. I'm carrying all these guys for all these years. Rip Rogers, obviously. Nick Densmore got a four and a half because he was trying to be some brief that he didn't goddamn give me the other half of the question or elsewise he got he got the wrong who trained rick flare in what territory did he begin his career bruiser in minneapolis i only gave him my that's a half point yeah many uh flash flash i got uh no matter oh wait a minute hold on so how did i grade this formerly flash flying again for those listening flash flanagan no

sorry, I tell a lie. I circled the one, so it's minus four and a half. So he got a five and a half. It's minus four and a half. I'm sorry, this is the key going forward. Flash minus three and a half. That means he scored a six and a half. Jason Lee, got a six and a half.

Shelton Benjamin, I'm, and Shelton, I love you if you hear this. God damn it. It wasn't his sport, but Shelton Benjamin didn't know who invented basketball. He knew that Luthes was an old school wrestler. I wrote two loose and deducted to half a point. He knew what team Babe Ruth played for. He did not know Tutsmont.

He didn't know OJ's college football team. Well, I guess OJ played college ball in the 60s, right? This was 2000. Shelton wasn't alive. He didn't know who trained Flair. He thought Ali won the first Ali Fraser fight in the garden. He didn't know who beat Bruno. Joe Lewis, Marciano, and Muhammad Ali, he knew they were all boxers.

I took off a half point for just being so loose that you could at least have thrown in the heavyweight champions. And he didn't know who Watson, O'Connor or Kinisky were. but now as a grown adult man who went through the program he knows all these important things you know luthez is one thing did you expect anyone to know tutzmont or was that just to set an example you know at that point i had already passed out copies of the manuscript

to if not the fall guys to thes his book uh but you know at same time people were coming and going, so you have to reinforce things, and sometimes people didn't read shit. But anyway, other names on here, Chris Alexander, who, uh,

ooh, he thought that OJ played for the Jets in college. He never played for the Jets in the pros. They thought that Ali thought Ali run the fight. He thought the Iron Sheek defeated Bruno, thought Lewis, Marciano, and Muhammad Ali were all boxers from Louisville. Famous Louisville, resident Joe Lewis. Jebediah Black Hawk.

And he was the guy who, as I've mentioned before, was not arrested for drinking and driving, but he drank. he drove. It's what do Whipper, Billy Watson, Pat O'Connor and Gene Kineski have in common? They all have

first and last names. Yeah, he got a... I mean you deduct for that. He got a three out in there. Trailer Park Trash got a two and a half. Our old referee, Robert Briscoe, got a good Lord.

got a three. Slick Robbie D. He got a three. One of our referees, I can't remember what his name was. We called him Fudd. He got a three and a half. What now? Other than Ripu is kind of more of a contemporary of yours,

even though he may have actively been wrestling on this card, would you have done anything or said anything or pulled anyone aside if one of these guys did get 20 or 20 or 10 to 10, whatever it is? 10 of 10, I guess. Oh, yeah, no, I would have recognized them. publicly, but it wasn't fair. Rip is a goddamn savant. It's not just wrestling.

He can tell you the lineup of the goddamn Toledo mud hens from 1942 and how many bats they used. You know, he's some type of, I think he's on some type of savantish spectrum for sports. It's ridiculous. Was this, I don't remember which, was this the kid we had Randy Royal, possibly?

He got a four. Derek King, he got a three and a half. Where's Brock? Scotty Saber, he got a four. Where's Brock? I don't, I don't, I'm still going through, but I don't know if he was here yet. B.J. Payne, he got a four. Russ McCullough.

Actually, got a four and a half. Mr. Black got a four and a half. uh, Rico Constantino. He got a, he got a, uh, four and a half,

unfortunately. He, but he knew the wrestling stuff. He just didn't know. He, he, except, he thought Ali won the fight.

Uh, he didn't know who beat Bruno. But, uh, anyway, and he didn't know who invented basketball. Uh, the damage.

Uh, He got a fucking six. Conway got a, a six. Boe Buchanan got a six. This is exciting stuff. Oh, Sylvester Turquay. Well, they're all pretty much.

Yeah. There you go. That was all the names. It was early on in the program. Yeah. It's what it was. But yes, they didn't understand until you put it in that perspective. what they didn't know about the goddamn business that they were trying to make a living in,

instead of they knew more about shit that they were never going to participate in in a million fucking years. So smarting up, study, learn. Read, study, learn. See, I'm not as obnoxious about it as some people, though. It's sad that you have to say that. I'm sorry that you don't want to learn. I learn. I'm doing AI Meltzer, just taking whatever.

You can learn too. He can learn too. He didn't learn how to auto save, but he learned everything else. All right, okay, hold on. I've got to, there's a whole file here. I've gone too long on this. This will, what I'm going to do will be quicker, but I have like three different files of talent reports. And here, I've written a page typed on just Sina and three quarters of page on

Orton, I'm not going to, I don't even have even read this 25 years. I'm not going to see how much came through it true. Are they all typed? A lot of this stuff is typed because I was faxing it to the office, see, back in the fax days. That's why I have the originals. But for now, we've been going on a while, but I'll leave you with something else. If you want to later on, we can come back to it. But I gave the fans a questionnaire when they would come into the Davis Arena on Wednesday nights for the TV tapings. I think we, well, we just did it one week. I was going to say we did it two weeks a row, but we did it one week.

And we handed out this piece of paper and we said, if you folks would be kind enough to help us by giving us this information, fill this out for us, then everybody gets a free picture when they turn it in. I can't remember who the picture was up, right? And more often than not, they turned it in. We got, I think, a few hundred at least. So what we did was then we typed up the results, or I typed up the results and sent him to Tom Pritchard,

who was working in the office in Stanford at the time, to pass because he was in charge of, I can't remember what his title was at the time, but they were sending him to the various places. They'd send him to Louisville. They'd send him to Cincinnati, I guess, when they had a developmental there or to Memphis, or they'd send him to camps or look or whatever, but he was based for a while out of Stanford. So this was actually April 28, 2004.

This is dated. So we passed out these questionnaires, everybody that came to TV, and, ah, we got 175 completed forms back. out of the people that came to see our television show tapings live on Wednesday night. Would you like to hear the results, Brian? Yeah, that's a pretty good amount. I would like to hear it. Who is your favorite current OVW wrestler? And we say you're allowed to pick more than one because people aren't, you know,

they might want to do two or three or whatever. Guess who, and this is 2004, guess who number one was by a two to one margin? I don't know. Matt Morgan. Really? Wow. Matt Morgan got 70 first place votes, as they say. And the next, and honestly, I think there was some lobbying going on because at the time, Tank Tolland was a big baby face for us, and Johnny Jeter was a big baby face.

And they got 35 and 31 respectively. and if you remember seven, Kevin Ferdig. I've heard a lot of stories about him over the years, yes. He got 33. And I got to think, and I don't even, I think they were baby faces then, but still, I got to think there may have been some effort on his part to gain favor somehow with it, but they were filling them out in the crowd, right? Anyway, number five, Matt Capitelli, 28.

Number six, Nick Dinsmore had just switched back babyface the week before. Number seven, our cult favorite that never was seen outside the grounds of the Davis Arena, the real deal, Rod Steele. Number eight was sin. Number nine, Nova, and number 10, Mack Johnson. I won't bother you with all the way down to. number 33, but let me just give you some of the names that were in the bottom

25 that would go on. Alexis Leary was Mickey James. Yeah. Jillian Hall, Johnny Nitro. John Morrison. Well, that was before, was that before Eminem? This was, well, but this was, see, the thing is they were heels.

So I said, who's your favorite? this is for the baby faces but also just you know you'll see hold on here but wait a way where was I going who's your favorite his favorite we're back on Carlito Cologne got four votes

and guess who got one vote Shaniqua Linda Miles Oh my God Oh my God but Aaron the Idol Stevens was on there. But see, these were some of the names,

but they were baby faces. But hold on a second here now. Because now who is your least favorite current OVW wrestler? You can pick more than one, but these are the heels. Number one was Nova and number two was Idol, Aaron Eiddle Stevens.

And they were partners at the time. So even though, you know, some people, because they were local guys. All these guys lived here and people knew them. Some of them are going to get votes, even if they're a heel is my favorite or whatever. But for the majority, it was long party lines.

Where's Danny Inferno? Believe it or not, number eight with 13 votes. Actually, 21 people said none. All are good. They were afraid to be held against them. But Chris Master, Brent Albright, Danny Inferno, and remember Inspector Impact, Luther Raines.

But again, you know, the heels didn't get that many votes because basically they just said, Nova and Idol and, you know, the top four or five heels. And then there was one, like, Shanique was still got one vote. She was one person's least favorite, one person's favorite. but Matt Morgan ran away with Matt Morgan, Johnny Jeter and Capitelli and Dinsmore and Tank, they ran away with the thing and seven. As I said, I never saw that response otherwise. But what is your favorite promotion?

You're not allowed to pick more than one. 94 said OVW, 47 said W. We, 26 said both OVW and WWW. and seven had no answer. They were afraid to be held against them also. No one said TNA, which existed. Well, and hold on there's more questions on that down here that might answer that. What is your favorite TV show, Raw or Smackdown?

99 said Raw. 52 said Smackdown. 16 said both. Neither said one and six had no. answer. So at that time, because Smackdown was, well, it'd been around for, well, what day was, yeah, 04, he'd been around for a couple years of tap. Well, no, five years. They just liked Raw better. So how often do you watch the following TV shows? OVW Saturdays at 11 p.m. Weekly, 114, sometimes 37, never nine. How the fuck did you end up here then? And 14 had no answer.

And they were immediately taken in back and frisk and W.W. Seindication on UPN, Big 58, Saturdays at 11 a.m. How often do you watch? Weekly 45, sometimes 35, never 80. 14, no answer. The same 14 didn't answer these goddamn TV questions. How often do you watch Raw on Spike TV? Weekly, 123, sometimes 20, never 17, and no answer 14. And finally, Smackdown on UPN, Thursdays at 8 p.m. Weekly was 122, sometimes was 26,

never was 12 and no answer 14. So it was pretty much spread out except for nobody watched WWCindication at that point in time. But listen to this one. Do you watch TNA, I'm sorry, do you watch NWA slash TNA? That's what they were being called in,

on pay-per-view. Never, 134,000. Oh my God, it's almost everybody. Not often, nine, twice a month, seven, sometimes five, once a month, five, once a week, four, three times a month, one, and no answer nine. That was when we're still doing weekly pay-per-views, I guess. I didn't realize that. I get, well, I think they did. This is-

Before they had TV on Fox. Yeah, this is April 2004. So what ex-OVW wrestlers do you want to see return to OVW, and you can pick more than one, just, you know, people who have been here before that you'd like to see come back? So it's 2004, so John Cena, 89. And next, and now remember, this is 2004, where the Damagea has become Danny Bagger.

and has become brothers with Doug Basham, and they've taken them up there in WWE land and put them, unfortunately, under the goddamn auspices of Linda Miles as Cheniqua. And that's another story when we get into the talent reports another time where I said, here you've got the best in-ring heel tag team in the business.

not just in your company or in my company, but in the business right here. And they brought them up there and made them the stooge of this goofy girl that didn't even want to be in a wrestling business and hopping around while she whipped them because she was the dominatrix. You know, they talk about that Bruce Willis

and Sybil Shepard's sexual tension on moonlighting? There's more sexual tension. between a tree and a fucking rock. Then it was God, oh, fucking hell. But anyway, now bear in mind some of the names that are on this list, right, of people that they want to see back that were in OVW before, but these are who placed.

John Cena, 89, Danny Basham 34, but Damagea, listed by that name, 20, so the total was 54. and then followed by Doug Basham at 38, but also by machine, his OVW name, got 15, so that was a total of 53. Then the next place was Batista, 24 people, 30 less than the Bashams,

wanted to see him back. Well, but Leviathan listed by that name, because they liked that gimmick, got another 12. So he got 36. Randy Orton, 34. Rico 32, Victoria 27. Shelton Benjamin 17. Rob Conway, 12.

He'd been there so long. They really hadn't worked up too much of a fucking miss for him yet. And guess who got 12? We had 12 people. We want to see his son bitch come back. Who? Brock Lesner. Wow, only 12 people.

Well, this is April 2004. Is that when he had the thing with Goldberg at WrestleMania when everyone knew they were walking out? No, that was years after that, wasn't it? No. That was WrestleMania 20. Well, I don't know, but they didn't want him to walk back here. I think that was around this period of time, April 2004.

Well, they didn't give a shit if Brock Lester was walking out of the WWF. they just didn't want to see him walk back here. They would just prefer he just keep on walking. That's the point is they didn't want to see him come back. Are the Bashim, are the Bashims individually, you know, and then as a team, are they the most frustrating to you as like someone who promoted them, booked them, knew what you had with them? Probably overall, yeah, when I'm sending the office, these tapes of this local TV show

where they're having fucking matches for 20 minutes, they're tearing the fucking standing room only, house down and people are screaming and jumping up and down. They're drawing money at shows in an amusement park for fuck's sake. And they're performing at a level when they're still in, Doug had more training, but Damagea started in 1999. This is less than five years in and he's fucking, he's working with goddamn the WWF stars and they're saying,

why aren't they bringing him up? And Doug had already been there for a while. they worked with angle and fucking Benoit and goddamn everybody that we brought in is like what the fuck this is a night off but they bring them up there and their stooges jumping around in leather pants to a dominatrix that couldn't fucking swing a whip but anyway other people are placed where Nikita Miss Jackie Nidia They liked the young ladies, and one person wanted to see Mark Gendrack come back. Mark Gendrack? One person.

Okay, do you approve or disapprove of the way OVW wrestlers are presented on Raw or Smackdown? Approve 83, disapprove 38, disapprove specifically mentioning Eugene, 27 for a total of 65. So the approvers won out 85 to 83 to 65. But actually, well, then somewhat disapproved, got 13. So wait a minute, 38, 50, 65, 78 to 83 they approved. But no opinion was 10 and no answer was four. What do you think of that?

The comments, I'm sorry. Were you surprised by that one, by the results? I thought it would be a little bit more heavily disapproving, but I knew it was going to be at least halfway because everybody was mad specifically right then about Eugene. But the and the Bashams. Eugene and the Bashams, I think, were the worst blowback that we got. But here's some of the comments.

This is to the office. So Dinsmore comments were mostly unprintable, but there was a very vehement negative feedback. Also, Batista should be Leviathan. Their upset Rico is either gay or a pervert. I was going to ask you about the reaction to Rico getting called up and getting a whole new thing. Yeah, anything like that.

Because Rico, he was so nice to everybody that they were personal friends of his by that point. also WWE makes OVW wrestlers jokes WWE gives OVW wrestlers mediocre stupid characters WWE should show who they really are

OVW wrestlers may do act stupid on TV WWE needs more wrestling less talk positive comments Sina has exploded become big star like seeing those we know on TV

any publicity is good publicity everyone has to start somewhere these are fan comments right what WW wrestlers do you want to see on OBW events but they were we mentioned okay within reason

don't pick Steve Austin Undertaker Rock or Triple H because Austin by that point I think was retired Undertaker wasn't going to do any more since they closed the gardens. Rock was in Hollywood and Triple H was in Stephanie. You couldn't get in Stephanie. You couldn't get The Undertaker for Six Flags?

It wouldn't have been worth it. No, because we, see, we paid him 20 grand for the gardens. Or was it 15? I've got the paperwork, I'll find it. We gave Austin 25, but he actually out there, the undertaking. But financially, no, you know, we would give the guys that we would bring in, you know, a couple grand, I think it was, but also they knew that they were helping out, they were going to be working with the, you know, the guy who deserved it most or fit the

match most in developmental and try to help them along. We were very mercenary for the goddamn gardens. We just, we want to sell us some bitch out because Clear Channel Radio had bought the shows. But anyway, so, but with the schedule of the way it was then, no, we weren't going to get any of the four. But otherwise, who do you pick? And they picked.

And by the way, this was 2004. So I was working on a bit of this list and we produced some of them. Ray Mysterio got 32. I never got Ray. That's the top vote getter? he was the top vote getter.

And remember I only had another year of this, our Six Flags 2004 season, talent was mostly booked. And so we were working on the next year's season. We did have Ray Mysterio down here a few times on the old, back when they'd sent him to Cincinnati for HWA in the old arena. But nevertheless, oh, and by the way,

another thing I found, was the email where we found out that after Dreamer told us, I went back and looked, it was John Laurenitis's fault for not telling Randy Orton. He said, I've confirmed with everyone and him talking to Orton today. This was in March. We started advertising Orton in fucking June. And then found out he wasn't there because Laurenitis never did fucking talk to him.

And that was one of the last straws also when I was, I had false advertised my six flags people and cussed about that. Nevertheless, here's the list of people they wanted to see. Ray Mysterio, Rob Van Dam. Got 29, Edge 20. Chris Jericho, 17. We had Jericho that summer. Lita, 17.

Chris Benoit, 16. We had had him the previous year. Kane 14, Matt Hardy 14. Sean Michaels 12. Keep dreaming. Eddie Guerrero 12, Hurricane Helms 10, and then,

like every name in the world, down to one person, went to see Mark Jindrack. But what WW wrestlers do you not want to see on OVW events? This was interesting. Number one was Kane. He got 21, didn't want to see him against 14 that did.

I don't know who he pissed off here, but guess who number two was with 17 votes? Triple H. Randy Orton. Oh, wow. Randy must have been rude to some people. Well, when he was a young man, one of the talent evaluations, we'll get to that also.

When he was a younger boy, no, triple H and big show tied with 13 each. Triple H has never been to Louisville, but big show at the stadium for a while. Again, some of this may have been personal. Rick Flair, 11, we don't want to see you. Fuck, I don't know what he could have done. He was a liar of Triple H.

If people didn't want to see Triple H, that may be it. Christian number five, and then it goes down to, you know, just people's personal. they're listing umpteen names Funaki. Somebody said Funaki. I don't want to see Funaki. Bischoff and Heyman

got one vote each. All right. What do you like about seeing OVW at the Davis Arena? I'll pick this up in descending order. Live experience overall. Good wrestling

matches, clean environment, meeting wrestlers, friendly staff, everything about it, seeing myself on TV, seeing big name stars, convenient location, Jim Cornett. I got six votes. Family event and air conditioning came in right below me at four. So I'm a little bit more popular in Louisville than air conditioning. What do you not like about seeing OVW at the Davis Arena?

in descending order. Nothing. Everything is fine. Got 67 votes. Arena should be bigger. Show should be longer two-hour TV show. They don't like waiting before the doors open in the weather. They don't like people saving seats.

Talk between matches. Need new music before the show. Need bigger restrooms. Four people said drinks are too high price. The drinks are too damn high. Three people said we need more comfortable chairs and three people would like to do away with intermissions and raffles. What are your thoughts as the promoter about people being upset about other people saving seats?

Well, it can because it was all, you know, come as you are, not come as you are. Some people didn't even bother to get dressed. What am I trying to say now? not come in when you want. First come first serve. No, stop it. Stop it with the fucking.

It's first come first served general and festival seating, as they used to say, but the regulars would come in. Donna would be there with her coat and the other seat. You know, it's a weekly social thing. And what would you like to see sold at the concession stand? This was all over the place, but winning out were pretzels with cheese, pizza and fries, and beer, but we couldn't get a beer license. What did you guys have? Well, we pretty much had drinks and fucking pretzels and cheese and pizza and fries.

We had that, but we had real good pizza because remember when I landed Wix as a sponsor, they gave us a pizza oven. and they would deliver a six big giant fucking pizzas that we could sell by the slice. If you've ever had a Wicks slice of pizza, you need goddamn hernia of fucking support just to lift the thing. They gave you a pizza oven. It's still a pizza oven?

At the Davis Arena? Well, actually, then that's the thing is when old Wick himself, Michael, the guy that owned the thing, he made his wife business partners with him. on paperwork and then they got a divorce and he didn't want to die on the wrestling hill so we lost the sponsorship but we kept the pizza.

But I don't know if anybody now works in Wicks corporate, the current owners of OVW, the West Fabersham people, they've had a goddamn pizza oven of yours for the past 20 years over there at 4,400 Shepherdsville Road in Louisville. You better fucking come get that son of a bitch. mission market OVW pizza may do better than the actual current camera.

I don't get over like Arthur Treacher's fish and chips did in fucking Louisville. Or to have H. Salt fish and chips, I should say, wrong English fella. All right, but anyway, there's all kinds of things here in these files, if people are

interested and they keep telling us that it's better than the current wrestling stuff. so which by the way we've taken a rest from this week because i read the recap brian on the raw and smackdown from this previous week down week down his previous week down and on both shows it apparently a bunch of the top guys came out and had some stern words for each other and that's about it so we've got saturday night's main event and saturday afternoons fucking hysteria to cover here in the next week or so, so we're trying to give the people a break

from the modern wrestling and show you how things used to be. What about the women's pay-per-view? Or women's premium live event? I wish them all the luck in the world with that. I really do. All right, well, this has been talent, reports, and fan questionnaires.

And by the way, and I also found a memo when they were talking about needing to make budget cuts, and I was wanting to get them to sign Johnny Jeter, to a contract is, I'll tell you somebody, if you need budget, if you need to save on the talent budget, you could start looking at cutting right off the bats, Linda Miles. And I'd forgotten that besides the fact that she was the shits in every way, she had told us, I just, I don't know whether I really am cracked up for this or not. And I'm going to have to think about some

things. So I've reported back to the office, I suggest that you give her the chance to think about a bunch of other things and save some money. And that's, and they brought her up and put her on fucking smack. Well, like you said, we'll be having more of this on the show on the experience as well. Jim's files, we have from the files. We have lots of historical wrestling content, the likes of which no other podcast could produce. But Jim, the lack of the likes of which has never been seen before, baby. And you know what? It will never be over. As I'm looking at this drawer over here, like I said before, if I was to just start reading, it would take

me a fucking while to read all of the things about all of the people. The people. Well, you're reading these things isn't the issue. People being able to receive them is something maybe we can help. To listen. To listen along, to hear all this historical content, to pass your test or your quiz, whatever it may be.

And of course, all you need is the power of our friends from RACOM. Well, you need the power of hearing. You need the power of your ears is what you need. And then to convey, to convey this information that we're giving to you, you need to have fine sound quality. You need to have a comfortable fit. You can't just be walking down a street carrying a record player anymore. And if people frown at me when I go out in public with my portable

eight-track tape player, so I think the thing to do now is just make it to where nobody knows that you've even got these little bad boys in your ear, the Racon everyday wireless earbuds, They have no wires, hence the name wireless, so they can't be dangling out of your ears and get caught. You know, when people are walking down the street, that's a good way that somebody could just garrot you, Brian. If they wanted to mug you, they could just come up from the people with the wires

sticking out of their head attached to the thing that goes into, they could just grab those wires and just in kind of a bungee knot. Around your neck, they could garrot you like some ancient Hindu mysticism. Well, you don't want that because in any way. No, you don't. No, we don't. No, in any way to hospitalize you wearing knees, they'd have to come up with a hammer and a chisel

and just kind of pop them all the way into your head. And I don't think people are going to have the balls to do that, folks. Once again, I don't know where this example is going or what caused there. Well, I'm talking about the safety factor. Let's talk about safety. You can safely rely on Raycon to bring you the best audio, your music, your podcast, your audiobooks, whatever it may be, you can trust Raycon. We wear them, we love them here at Last Manor.

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or is that mint as in like a candy mint red or a candy stripers? Candy mint red. I think green is kind of a, way that would go. It's kind of greenish. Well, so for all the frogs out there, folks, also, you'll never know. And once again, folks, right now you can save money by listening to all these fine programs. You'll have voices in your head. They will talk to you. They will understand. If you go to buy raycon.com, that's B-U-R-A-Y-C-O-N dot com slash J-C-E, you're going to get 15% off the best-selling everyday earbuds right now. So they just buy a bunch of them.

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If it did not sound well, if that's just the way it is. Sounds like a guy carrying an accordion falling down the stairs. Well, this is the big 400th episode of the drive-th We have cheery music. We have a lot of big things. A lot of your questions we're going to get to. That's what the drive-thru was built on.

One day, ask you something, Jim. Yes. I just got a program recently. And it's something I really wanted, because I'm a big collector, as you know, of stuff from the, anything before the 30s. I'm a big fan of, or in the 30s even. It's fascinating pioneer material, the log cabin era of wrestling.

And there's still a lot to discover from this period. So I got this program, and I'll tell you what it is. It's a fascinating program from Bravesfield. It is Paul Bowser presenting the main event, two out of three falls, Ed Don George versus Henry de Glain. well and you've you've run off and left some people maybe the international audience bravesfield being in boston oh yes massachusetts massachusetts it sits for paul bowser in what year 1931 this would have been let me see if i have the exact date here because they actually don't put

the date on the program july 14th 1931 and ed don george was at that time in the middle of his big push He'd been an Olympic wrestler, but he was in the middle of his big push, the world champion, had had issues with, you know, the power struggles between the promoters at that period of time. And Henry DeGlaine would be the guy who double crossed, or had he double crossed at that point in 1931, Strangler Lewis? No, not yet. I think 31, is that the year that they actually? I'll see what I can find out here in a second, but

for this program specifically, I'll get to my question shortly, I see some research here that Steve Yoey, or Yo, depending how you pronounce it, did. July 14th at Boston Bravesfield, Henry DeGlane defeated Ed Don George two falls to one to defend the AWA World Title, attendance was 25,000

with a reported gate of 70,000. Let me stop there. Oh, oh, 1931. On the program, are there any ticket prices? There are any advertising? The program itself is 10 cents. Well, no, but I mean, is there any advertising about what the ticket prices were? The only thing is on the very back.

Important notice. Watch for announcement. Big athletic tournament to be held at Fenway Park. Biggest athletic night in the history of Boston under the auspices of Harold A.S. Post, Veteran of Foreign Wars, Wednesday evening, August 9th. Here's why I popped on the 70,000 because the amount of people is legitimate. With Landoz, Paul Bowser in Boston, Dano Mahoney, Ed Don George, Bowser was drawing ballpark size crowds, and they were doing it in other places with Lando

also, but the average ticket price at that period of time would, because remember, 96 grand was the record gate for the business, and that was gotchen hackenschmidt, right? No, I'm sorry, Londos and Lewis in 34 until Thess and Leone beat it in 52 with $102,000. Point being, I'm not going to call complete bullshit because there was a deflation rather than an inflation in ticket prices and everything during the Depression of which 1931 it had started, but it wasn't the worst yet. And if you go back and look in the 1920s for major wrestling matches and wrestling cards around a country, the ticket prices sometimes were almost double what they were in the 30s and 40s and it took until the 50s and in some places longer than that for prices to catch back up

if you go for the inflation calculator something from the 1920s may be equal to 25 times in today's money but in the 1930s it would be 30 or more times so point be that would have been a hefty gate for that period of time but it's possible You know, you bring up the depression. I have this amazing photo. It's from a rooftop somewhere in Manhattan. It's Dick Shick at with Tutsmont on his shoulders. Tutsmunt was his trainer.

And on one arm is Jack Pfeffer. And on the other arm, I think, is Rudy Miller. The Bookers for the office. And the date of the picture is the day before the stock market crash. Oh, my God. And that just fascinated. If it had been the next day, they would have jumped off that roof. Now, Pfeffer would have seen opportunity, I think.

But this program, I ask you about it. And according to the research here, DeGlaine, after he won, was awarded a championship belt by the Boston mayor, James M. Curley. So he was a big deal. And 31 was his year, and it was, I believe, the year of the Lewis match. Well, and that was, now the AWA World Title existed in Boston

well into the early 50s. But I believe the double cross in Montreal had happened with DeGlaine, especially if he was defending there, and he won. How about this? Contest number seven, Charlie Hanson, 210, Minneapolis, versus Secret 214,

three question marks in 1931. At least he wasn't a dark secret. Hey, and I just thought about the Eddon, Georgia and Henry de Glaine, de Glaine was an Olympic wrestler for France, right? You may be right. So that main event was kind of the equivalent of, well, it doesn't have a moderate equivalent if Kurt Angle had wrestled somebody of approximately his amateur wrestling credentials at a big pay-per-view.

That was the modern-day equivalent. So the question I was going to get to after all this, and we had a great discussion about this. Oh, I forgot about a question. I wanted to add this program to my collection, naturally. It's laminated. What are your thoughts on laminated anything? Laminated programs, laminated posters.

What are your thoughts on lamination for collectors? Well, wait, what? So they have actually, and it's clear, I guess, where you can see, but is it only a two-sided program? It's a two-sided program. You've seen them before. It's a two-sided program that folded in half. makes four sides. So it's just opened all the way up. So it's opened

all the way out and lambert. Well, if you were going to, and again, you can see both sides, but if you were going to frame the fucking thing, that might be one thing. But I don't know. I think then you've

kind of altered it forever. Whereas if you bag and board it, then at least it's removable. Even, that's the slab of the comic books, the CGC business, where they're sealed in there. I would have never enjoyed that when I was an active collector

because I would want to feel the book and read the book every once in a while. Or just look at their smell the book, touch the book, experience the book. It's in fucking a glass case. Same thing with that. You've altered it where you can never take it out and actually feel the original thing. I don't like that. Yeah, see, I'm on a big fan. of it, but I also look at it like, I don't know how many opportunities there'll be to get this program.

I don't know how many exist. I don't know how many... Well, no, if you only, if you can only get that, I'm not, but I'm just saying to do that the process, yeah. Not already done to it. There's better ways to preserve it. Are you going to laminate the goddamn Mona Lisa? You see that sometimes also with old newspapers.

Some people actually have laminated copies. And again, if you were going to have it dry, I mounted and framed and it was a one-sided thing. You didn't need to see the other side. You wanted on your wall. I can see that. But just for the sake of doing that, that's not, you know, really, yeah, not a fan.

All right. Well, as we move on, just a short correction here, as a few people got in touch. Apparently, I missed it on the Wikipedia page. Nathan Jones, indeed, was in prison. Uh-huh. I knew it. Seven years in a maximum security prison.

Seven years of bad luck, baby. For those emailing asking if I'm blind, the answer is obviously yes. Very much yes. But thank you for writing you. I knew he didn't go to prison after wrestling. He was in prison and then he wrestled. Right? He drank and then he drove.

Well, Jim, let's now get to some of the questions sent in by the Colt of Cornette and we have a whole bunch that were sent in. And it's always hit or miss. we'll see if any of these are actually stuff that we get something out of, but let's give it a shot. Jim, this first question sent the corny drive-thru at gmail.com is from Chad Smith. Was the city of Omaha a pure AWA territory in the 60s and 70s, and was the Omaha version championship a big deal or no? Well, it depends on, I mean, to the champion's mother, it was a bit.

No, first of all, Omaha was its own territory at one point. And I'm trying to remember what helped me with the promoter at that time. Was it one of the do-sixis. Yeah. And but he worked in conjunction with some of the other, you know, surrounding territory so he could get a different talent. but it was its own a little circuit with its own champion and then as Vern Ganya

first he bought the Minneapolis boxing and wrestling club and the AWA was basically the state of Minnesota and Wisconsin at that point but then he got an increased interest in Chicago and started branching out out west Winnipeg and etc and at one point there were in the days,

I know this sounds ridiculous now, but in the days before the internet and people didn't know what was going on wrestling-wise in a town 250 miles away, Omaha became part of the AWA, but still there had a different AWA world champion there than they did in the regular Omaha, or AWA territory.

And then it wasn't until, what, probably about the start, of the late 60s or start of 1970s, Brian, that they standardized everything and it was, it was an AWA town. They're probably about that time period, just off the top of my head on all this. But yes, it, it was a big deal because major wrestlers held it. And it did have some conjunction with the AWA and Ghana. Mad Dog Vashon was a champion out there for a while.

So you could get bigger bookings and Omaha during those days was a nice wrestling market that actually kind of got eclipsed in modern times and wasn't as, you know, as well attended or, you know, as successful as it was back in the 50s and 60s. I pulled up the Omaha AWA or Omaha World Championship title lineage here. It's interesting, too, because it's another one that starts from the disputed Edward Carpont Luthes match. Yeah. Their first champion is Carpontier, June 14th, 57, recognized his champion after the disputed

match with Luthes. The majority of the NWA continue to recognize Thes. Vern Gagne won it in 58, followed by Wilbur Snyder, 58, Dick de Bruiser, 59, back to Wilburne 59, then Dr. X. Again, this is all pre-AWA in Minnesota. But at the same point, because those guys were huge stars off of the Chicago TV that had been network up until a previous couple of years, they were getting booked all over the country. Don Leo Jonathan, Dr. X, Verngania, Fritz Viner. And Dr. X was that buyer?

61. Apparently, it was Big Bill Miller. Bill Miller was the first Dr. X there. The Crusher got it in 63. Again, it's changed hands a lot. and then, according to Wikipedia, around the time the Crusher won the title, February 1563, he also won the AWA World Championship from Vern Gagne in Minneapolis on July 9th. And from that point forward, I guess both titles, the lineage links, because then it goes from Vern to Fritz to Vern, although it says he won the AWA title from Fritz and Amarillo.

and then the title was unified as of September 7th, 63, according to Wikipedia. I think there was still some gaps in it between the actual AWA Minneapolis lineage, and either that or, because I remember especially Vashon had it at one point when he was not in the regular AWA, I thought, but nevertheless. as you can see it was name guys and guys that were figured in with Ganya and in the Midwest and et cetera. So it was always somewhat of an important belt because, you know, it was also aligned with bigger people for bigger things. Jim, our next question was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Brian. if you could choose only one of these movies, which would you choose and why?

And these are the upcoming releases of the Fantastic Four and Superman. You know, I think I would like to, I've always wanted to see a really good Fantastic Four movie because they were my first favorite superheroes. When I started collecting comic books in 1968 in the Marvel universe, the Fantastic Four was the they were the rock they were the stone cold

they were the main event fucking deal and Spider-Man was secondary and then you got to Hulk and Thor and Captain American etc but the Fantastic Four was the thing and no pun intended

and you know they've done nothing well there's been 18 million Spider-Man movies and all that other stuff so I think I would rather see the Fantastic for because again, Superman has been done to death and the more modern it gets, the more Superman looks like an AEW fucking wrestling.

And I'm not fucking impressed. Well, what they try to do with the Superman movie, and I'm going to go see it with the kids, is they tried to make it faithful to the comics more than anything else that's been done in a very, very long time, if not ever, really. Because if you think about it, the Superman TV show, It's kind of based off the Superman cartoon that the Fleischer's did more than the comics even. Well, but in the TV show, Christopher Reeve, for fuck's sake, I want to see a goddamn jacked-up

Stallone Schwarzenegger, somebody needs to be Superman, not these goddamn milk soaps. What do you think about the Fantastic Four? And again, they've tried to do this a few times. Now they're pulling it into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What do you think of a female silver surfer? What? The Silver Surfer in the movie is a female. Oh, Christ on a cracker.

No. Right? I mean, the Silver Surfer isn't a fucking... Because then... This is not being... I actually said this to someone, and they said, well, Silver Surfer was a female at one point. I'm like, yeah, well, look, everyone apparently at some point in the comics became either a male or a female or changed gender or race or something. I've never heard of that.

The Silver Surfer, to me, has always been that... silver baldheaded dude and it's not being misogynistic or sexist to say no i don't want little orphan annie to be a little orphan fucking dick i don't what an example to use yes i agree well i mean just leave the shit the way it is when it gets over don't fuck with it it'll all hinge on how they do the thing though they could make people burst into flame and stretch and become invisible, but how good's a thing gonna look? He's my guy anyway. Ben Grim. Well, apparently, it's actually a timepiece, too. It takes place, whatever, 62, 63, when the first comic and the series first launched. So I'm interested to see how

it looks, but yeah, the Silver Surfer, I'm sorry. And then someone argued to me the other day, they said, well, this is just one dimension. This is just one universe. All the different universes are going to meld up, and there'll be a male Silver Surfer there. No, God damn. I'm just worried about the dimension I'm in. If I'm in it, I want my silver surfer to be a male. Let the other dimension people worry about their fucking movies. And what are they going to do about Wonder Woman? You're going to wonder Willie?

How are you going to change that around? I don't know if they'll be Wonder Willy, but that's apparently a popular film for rent right now. But Jim, I guess you're picking Fantastic Four over, Superman. Let's get to another question here. This one was sent to Corny Drive-Thru at gmail.com from Eric. Eric from sunny San Clemente, California here, and I've always been fascinated by Ron Garvin's

1988-Hill Turn at Great American Bash 88 to his departure. It's a big sentence, sorry, I messed it up. Then, him winning the AWAT TV title from Greg Gagne. and the WWC Universal title from Carlos Cologne. Then, eventually signing with Vince, while still being both AWA TV champ and W.W.C. Universal champ. My question to you, what was your thoughts

when you heard that Ron left the NWA right after shooting this hot angle betraying Dusty? What did the locker room think as well? And do you know, what the definitive reason why Garvin left. I've heard so many conflicting things. I would love a solid answer. I'd love the end of the question.

P.S. Oh, Jesus. Please release the Midnight Express versus Bad Company. I need that match in my veins. Hmm. And where is this gentleman from? Eric from Sunny San Clemente, California. Okay, a long way away from Louisville.

Good. Okay. You know, I've got to be honest with you right at the top of the program here. I don't, besides Ronnie Garvin being mad at Dusty for either something, either mad or Dusty or mad at the office either for the way he was booked or the money he was getting, I don't remember why he fucking left. And that was the summer of 88. That was the bashes.

By God, I was, I was out. That's when we had that, you know, schedule of like 40-something fucking days in 40-something matches in 40-something days all over the country. Can you remember why Ronnie was it ever talked about? He said he's heard conflicting stories. I don't remember hearing any. He just got mad and left. Ronnie Garvin from the interview footage I've seen over the years has been pretty vocal

about his, I don't want to use the word hatred, his dislike of Dusty Road specifically, the way Dusty booked. I don't know if he always felt that way, but that's the way he always discusses it. And, yeah, they shot the thing at the bash in 88 where he turned on Dusty and then he was gone. And see, here's the thing. Ronnie Garvin was a great worker and everybody respected him,

everybody wanted to work with him, unless they were afraid of getting a shit kicked out of him. But he also, he would tend to get grumpy. and you know he'd be doing something for a while and you'd not know he was grumpy and then after the fact you'd know he was grumpy about it but at that point in time because god Ronnie was older than he looked because he was in such tremendous shape but at that point in time I think he was on the downhill slope not conditioning wise but just of interest the people because the matches with flare in 86 were so fucking good and the

the boys loved to watch them and they were beating a shit out of each other and you could show people that and say this shit's real and they'd buy it but the fans Ronnie was getting older and the fans weren't buying him at the level of the Rock and Roll Express or Magnum TA or Barry Windham

or the younger baby faces and Dusty put the belt on him over Flair so that Flair could win it back at Starcade that year and it was a big a big thing, but I guess Ronnie took that as an insult, like he only had it, you know, eight weeks or whatever.

Well, you actually probably really shouldn't have got it. He just went on box office alone, but he was so fucking good and believable. And you actually got to see him as a heel. You know, most people never got to see him as a... Oh, yeah. Well, not only in Tennessee when it was Ron and Terry Garvin with manager Jim Garvin in 1973.

They were a great heel team, but he was a heel in Knoxville, part of his southeastern run. And then like Steve Austin, the people started liking him because he was so tough and so crazy, and he became a baby face. And then he was their kick-ass baby face.

And that's when he was 10 years younger, you know. And so at any rate, the reason why he had all those belts and everything at the same time is because Crocket was signing everybody to contracts at that point. I don't know whether his had run out. They were trying to get him to sign another one or he just got mad and left and it was about ready to expire whatever.

But, you know, the Gagne, the AWA wasn't going to sign him to an exclusive deal at that point. Their business was down. Puerto Rico, they didn't care what else you were doing. and when he got the chance to work for Vince, for, he knew he'd make legitimate money, even if he wasn't getting a guarantee,

being on the WWF shows, was going to outrank the dying days of the AWA and go to Puerto Rico. He was going to make more money there, but he had to sign a contract, so he did and didn't go back to work for those other people. But that was the only other place to go. I don't know if he was ready to,

to quit, I think, and become a full-time pilot anyway, which is what he did, not for Delta or whatever, but a private pilot. Hey, when he worked for you in Smoky Mountain, tell me the truth. Did you wish he had blonde hair? No, because I always thought he looked odd with the blonde hair because that wasn't, it wasn't his personality at all to be a bleached blonde guy. And when he had been most over in Knoxville in southeastern wrestling, he'd had dark hair. And he hadn't been the hands of stone. He was the one-man gang, Ronnie Garvin.

With dark hair with that Canadian accent, and he'd go out and fucking bleed and do hard ways and bash people with furniture. And so I was perfectly fine with that part. But he was working for me because he had been over in that territory before, and he could do. his flying and do whatever the fuck else he wanted on days he wasn't booked for me but I don't unless he was already ready to transition to wrestling

part time and flying and doing whatever I don't know why he would have walked out on Crockett because the only other place to go was work for Vince and he was there for what a year because by then he was when was Ronnie Garvin born what year? Hold on I can tell you in terms of when he was with the

WWF, he was there all through 1989 into early 1990 at least. So, you know, about a year or so probably is what deal he signed. And obviously, being French Canadian, he knew Paterson. Born in 45, 80 years old. Okay, but at that time, he was

he was 45. So, I mean, physically he was in such great shape. Or whatever, I know, what year do you say was born in again? He was born in 45. In 1945. So yeah, in 1988, he would have been 43.

That's crazy to think he was 30 already in 75. Wow. Oh, yeah. But that's when, you know, really, Ron, the Garvin brothers as a team were a heel team in the South, Georgia, the Florida, Goulas territory. But Ronnie didn't really get over. is a name on his own until the mid-70s.

And Eddie Graham liked him in Florida because he was so tough and so believable. And that same thing that they liked him to Carolina's for. But anyway, if he wouldn't have, he wouldn't have quit Crockett unless he was figured I'm probably already ready to transition into

the next stage of my career because he's in his mid-40s trying to go to the WWF for the first time. So that was probably to have a run and see how things worked out. The idea he shot an angle where he turns on Dusty, who, although he had his detractors, was still one of the top baby faces and the Booker. And that's it. There's no back and forth. There are no matches.

There's no feud. It just ends. That's probably what he liked the best about it. I was going to say, is he pissed at Dusty? Is he spiteful enough to just do all that and work out, just to fuck over Dusty? Well, no, I don't think he would have done it if he was intending to leave. I think whatever caused him to decide, you know, fuck this happened either in the execution of or what he heard or learned immediately afterwards, I would think.

All right, Jim, as we move on here with the show, and that was the Ronnie Garvin 88 question. Jim, as we move forward here with the show, why don't we preview this? Why don't I drop my pen on the floor? it'd be easier than dropping it on the ceiling. Jim, why don't we preview AEW all in Texas, the big extravaganza? This weekend we'll be watching on a pack day. It's a super Saturday. Let's go through this card.

You didn't tell me we were going to have to, you know, now I'm going to just be in a state of trepidation all week, worried about what I'm going to have to watch. Well, let me let you know. Let me give you a heads up on what they have on their official website. Early warning. They still have ticket packages available,

but I believe they have at least 20,000 tickets distributed, so good for them. How big is a building? It's a stadium. It's an outdoor stadium, probably. Yeah, that's, you know, a lot more. They could have rented Reunion Arena and put that 20,000 in there. It didn't have been goddamn insane.

Jim, for the TNT Championship, the champion Adam Cole, Bay Bay Bay. versus Kyle Fletcher. Good Lord. It looks like a Mr. Universe contestant browbeating a small child.

The physical difference is and Adam Cole is not a senior citizen. Right? So there's an age difference, but Kyle's real young and Adams, you know, in his 30s now or whatever. But the size difference and just the difference in one guy looks like a fucking beast and the other guy you feel bad. There is something wrong.

I try not to say this if we hear that he has some type of goddamn flesh eating disease, but he wouldn't be out there wrestling 20 minutes, would he? Do they have medical standards in AEW? What has happened to Adam Cole, as all I'm saying. I don't care about this match and nobody else does either because it's making people uncomfortable to look at the state of Adam Cole. It's like an escaped fetus. Oh, God damn it.

Has hair and everything like a grown person, but still just has, I don't know, like kind of like E.T's body. But let's move on here with the car gym. Oh, God, damn. I've got a cramp now. They look like the conjoined twin growing out of somebody's head. the AEW World Tag Team Championship, a three-way, the champions the Hertz Syndicate, Bobby Lashley, and Shelton Benjamin.

Wait, this is a three-way now? I thought they just, they just challenged and asked and answered with the two little dipshits that they beat up. Well, again, it's the Hertz Syndicate against JetSpeed. Of course, the team of Speedball Mike Bailey and Kevin Knight, versus the team of the patriarchy. Christian Cage and Nick Wayne. Wait about last week.

Kevin Knight and Hong Kong Fooey came out and ran about their tag team title match and the Hurt said it could beat him up about three or four times and said if they can get up, we'll take care of him at Texas Stadium. Was Christian Cage or Nick Plain or Nick Plain's mom or anybody anywhere around that episode?

Not that I recall, but we didn't watch on Saturday. I don't know what they did, if anything. Oh, fuck us out a week before the fucking show when they're just goddamn, well, then why are these two the wire night and spitball still in the thing if they got laid out the other night and these two fucking goofs come in on Saturday, what sense does this make?

Maybe Tony added a third team so he can get the belts off the Hurt Syndicate without them losing. Are you fucking ribbon? I'm trying to come up with any solution I can think of. I don't understand why, because we've seen now weeks. How bad would that make their tag team titles look

if two guys who just were stuck in this fucking match beat the other two guys who were stuck in this match for the belts or vice versa. If anybody beat anybody for the belts and the people that got beat weren't the Hurt syndicate, how bad would that make the belts look? And how stupid would that make the Hurt Syndicate look? And they're their only fucking stars.

Again, we've seen weeks of buildup, whatever you want to say about jet speed and the realisticness of them being able to go in there with the Hurt Syndicate. At least they've been building that for Christian Cage and all of a sudden be thrown in this. I don't know. To come and beat the other team besides the champion. Well, we'll see. Again, maybe the Hurt Syndicate will retain and there'll be some kind of inter-family drama with the patriarchy.

We'll see what happens. Jim and a tag team match, the Young Bucks versus Swerve Strickland and Will Osprey. Oh, but now, wait a minute. If Swerve and Osprey win, then the Young Bucks are no longer

the EVPs the people are. But now think about this for a second, though, Brad, they may need to amend this because if if they talk about the people, is it the audience of the TV show, there's 600,000. If it's the pay-per-view,

then we're down to 100,000 or less, but goddamn, that would still press the confines of the normal conference room. Don't you think that the people should then get together and nominate a representative to go to the meetings instead of having all of them show up? Because, you know, elect Howie from Poughkeepsie, he's our representative,

and he can be in that. And that way they can get around a normal conference table. but then if swerve and what's his name again will osprey yes yeah if they lose then they can never fight other people besides the young bucks again for the next year if they lose they cannot challenge for the AEW World Championship for one year

but neither of the bucks are AEW World Championship W World Champion nor are going to challenge for that so it actually why the fuck would they give a shit you see

so one of those things is going to happen in this match now where does this power go though where does that EVP power go is that power just go away I think it goes away they're stripped of their championship

and they just go back to being schlubs I don't know what to say well then or what about the other EVPs which other EVPs Cody well well Cody's gone

I'm just wondering how come they needed all these EVPs at the start but now they're just losing EVPs and there's no problem Cody's gone these two aren't EVPs anymore that leaves Omega Omega said he didn't want to be an EVP he said he's too easy

peasy so I'm just wondering why they had in the first place if they don't need them. Well, Jim, also on this card, a women's casino gauntlet match for a guaranteed world title spot, or shot.

It's very small. Or slot. It's very small front here. Well, slot, slit, wherever you want to stick that title. Participants to be determined. And I'm sure they are.

There's also a men's casino gauntlet match for a guarantee World title slot or shot. Yes. Spot. Yes. And so far announced for this match, Mark Briscoe, MJF,

and the dynamic mystico. So that's, he normally puts in his casino gauntlets for the guys, there's normally at least a dozen, right, before they get some resolution. And with the women, I don't know,

but there you go. The same thing as the WWE. Only with fewer talents. You do the women's thing before you do the men's thing, and then you've had dinner before you have dinner. And then there you go. And my appetite's shot now. I probably would have liked the fucking meatloaf and green beans

more than that goddamn chicken Kiev with mac and cheese, but that came first, so I'm full now. They got to get the Von Erick's on the show, don't they? Oh, they're in Texas. Why? Do they still pay the Von Erics or the Von Erics under contract? I can't speak to contract, but they're still around with AEW, I think. As well, and they also, they move back to Texas for the kids or grandkids or some of the family to play college ball, right? So they're in Texas. If they, if Tony has a stadium show in Texas and doesn't bring at least a Von Erick or two out,

he's out of his mind. Jim, winner takes all for the AEW Unified Championship, the international champion, Kenny Omega, versus the Continental champion, Okada. Okay, first off, it's not winner take all,

it's winner take most, because they still have a world champion. So it's also not undisputed because the world champion. He has a big problem with it. Major issue. So what they're doing is they're eliminating one of the

multiple meaningless belts that they have that, you know, because Tony and a certain segment of his diehard audience are just, oh, look at the belts. But this is supposed to be a dream match amongst these. You saw the dream match

between Ibushi and who's he whatsy? That was supposed to be a dream. Is this going to be a better dream? I will admit that Kenny, he's better than Abushi, whatever else you want to say about him, but are we going to watch them not be able to do the shit they could do 10 years ago,

or are the people going to be blind to it and just see it? Oh, it's them! and not notice what it actually looks like. I think there'll be an element of that. It's a big match for that kind of fan base, and they're going to be really pumped up to see it. Kenny Omega has a tendency to push himself really far. I have to think if he was ever going to do it again,

it would be this match. Okada has his pace, and very little is going to break that. But... He looks like he needs a pacemaker. Who do you think's going over? What's got to be Kenny? You think so?

God say. I think he's going to put Okada over. Why would? Okada is an insult to the profession. Okada is the laziest, most good for nothing, no account, lack of trying, lack of effort, blasé, no facial expression, no personality, no charisma, no fashion sense, no haircut, boring ass son of a bitch that I've ever seen. And he's making a lot of money. and at the same time

Tony Con has the most feckless, impotent, limp dick bunch of baby faces on one roster in the history of wrestling and on a stadium show he needs Kenny to step up and win this fucking thing and I would have said

that he needed Osprey to step up and beat this fucking drunken fucking plumber and bring the world title back to goddamn some semblance of credibility, but since he wasn't smart enough to make that fucking match,

then unfortunately now it's up to Page. Page is going to suck, but at least he'd be better than Moxley. And if they don't do it now, then I suggest that Tony just fire all his fucking baby faces and just make the heels work against each other. And I guess we'll get to the main event shortly, but for the AEW Women's World Championship.

Which title? Who is what title here? It's very small print. Who cares? Mercedes Monet. It's the one that Adam Page isn't going for because he mentions he's going for the men's title. He may not be going for that,

but it looks like he's going for the same salon that does the hair of these women with the picture of a beer. But for the AEW Women's World Championship, the TBS champion Mercedes-Money against the AEW Women's World Champion, timeless Tony Storm with Luther. Again, the Mercedes fiasco has been his female Okada. He has spent a fortune to get discernibly nothing

except bad fucking promos, obnoxious acting, and people don't give a shit. and they like Tony Storm. They like her a lot. If this Josephine Camel Face douchebag feeds Tony Storm in a minute. I think people may hit the goddamn ring. Mercedes, you've already seen the memes going around on Twitter now

of Mercedes with the Hulk Hogan Fu Manchu and the Duhrag. She thinks she is the biggest women star in the world and should be winning all that shit. You can tell. And she shouldn't, because she ain't. And it's the big show. The baby faces need to stand up for themselves. Kenny needs to win.

Osprey and Strickland need to win. Tony Storm needs to win and Paige needs to win. And if they didn't want all those baby faces to win in the same show, they shouldn't have booked it. But these baby faces are so unappealing and whiny such pussies and losers and nerds and douchebags, then unless you start doing something for them, it's going to get worse and worse,

because it's already getting worse and worse. Jim, the main event. Uh-huh. In a Texas death match, the AEW world champion John Moxley versus Hangman Adam Page. You know, a Texas death match, they wanted that because Moxley is jealous that he didn't think the blood drinking first. So they're going to try to redo that spot. But he's going to not only, he's going to drink it and also have a blood in a month.

Think about that. Page is going to bust him open, put his head in a bucket, get him to fill it up with blood, pour the blood in a goddamn inimap bag, and shoot it up Moxley's own ass. Big show, big blood. These two are going to try to do any kind of stupid, goofy, jackass stunt that any garbage wrestler like Dick the Boozer is idle, the bank addicted drug robber Nick Gage would do to have a Texas death match to be dope and all that stuff. And I honestly, I think that they may not put the belt on page.

I think they're going to continue this thing because Moxley's having such great fantasies about it while it's driving people away in droves. It's this whole thing has been a joke. It's a worst main event angle that has ever gone on this long in a history of wrestling. And Moxley fantasizes he's somebody that he's not, nobody sees him as that.

Except the Kool-Lade drinkers that are the base audience of this company. and most of them are tired of it. So it's a big stadium show, get it over with. That's why I say it, a page, he'll be rotten too, got the personality of shingles, but at least it's not Moxley. But I think they might continue this on somehow

because Tony has no balls and lets people tell him what to do. So one or the other. Do you think we see Darby Allen? That's, I think they might be waiting on Darby to come back down off the top of the mountain and win the thing. No, he's back.

I just saw a video of him in a car jumping over something. He's doing his stuff. I don't know where he is on the wrestling show, but he's back and he's not hurt. No, at least he, while Tony's paying him every week, he can climb mountains and jump cars. He just can't show up and save this goddamn moribund.

wrestling program. You think we see Jungle Boy? I think they just want to forget about him. All right. He may be a candidate for the casino gauntlet match. But there it is. He might be a candidate for reform school. Well, there it is, Jim.

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Our friends at Shopify. Jim, let's get us some more questions here on the show. This question sent via the cult of Cornet Facebook group by Justin Well. seems like many of the people I enjoy are Kentuckians. Corny, John Prine, Hunter S. Thompson, and Johnny Depp, curious if Jim has ever met any of them, or if he's a fan. I have not ever met any of those fine folks, and, I mean, I've seen some movies with Johnny Depp in them that I didn't find repulsive, I don't know if I'd go out of my way just to see something because of him.

I've read a few passages that Hunter S. Thompson has written. And who was the other fellow? John Prine, musician. John Prine, the musician, yes, and he's mighty fine as John Prime. I don't know if I'd buy a ticket to see him. So I'm ambivalent on all those people. I'd really like to talk to D.W. Griffith. he was from LaGrange

well that's not Louisville well it's close enough who's the most famous person from Louisville you've met oh colonel Sanders well he's not from Louisville he's from Kentucky the most famous Kentucky and I ever met in person was Colonel Sanders um who would be a famous Louisvillian that I've met

yeah I don't know what I was when I was a little kid my dad knew the mayor, but I don't remember if I met him. Oh, Randy Atcher. Think about that. The most famous Louisville that I've ever met, Randy Atcher. The late great Randy Acher.

Our next question was sent me of the Colt of Cornett Facebook group by Patrick Stubblefield. Oh, come on. Do you think Goldberg might be might have been developed and used properly by the WWE as opposed to a path that was taken in WCW. It's an interesting what if. What if Goldberg had come up in WWE instead of WCW?

Yes, he would have been developed better, trained more properly, and would never have been as big as he was. Because they didn't try to do that. and that's, you know, like the Montreal screw job, or the, you know, the greatest angles or the greatest attractions in wrestling usually come from shit that you didn't really try to do in the first place. They saw this big guy, former Atlanta Falcon, fucking jacked up body tattooed, whatever.

Yeah, let's put him over, but he's a shit worker because he doesn't know anything. so let's put him over quick. But because of the intensity that he had and the appearance and just the way that he did it, that's been done a lot of times before in wrestling regionally and nationally with a big slug that it can't work, smash him over quick,

but it didn't work like it did with Goldberg. He had the personality. But they were, because WCW had no, direction. They had every kind of direction, multiple directions in the world. Different people were doing different things. There was no equality control. There was no one voice behind everything like there was with the WWF. So Vince would have never put the guy out there to begin with unprepared, just say, I put him over on TV without a plan behind it. And if he had a plan behind it, then he wouldn't have changed that plan when Goldberg started to get over as a massive baby face.

He would have kept him as a heel or whatever. So because it was so ad lib and snatch and grab and no one person was in charge and shit like that got to happen, then they see Goldberg's, and then they start the streak, Mike Tenei. But then, of course, they have to start bullshitting the streak and making numbers up that people knew couldn't be he won 15 matches in the last seven days or whatever right it was unnecessary yeah yeah but the thing is goldberg got over like that as a phenomenon because the people chose him he was the right person with the right look and then they fed him people to keep that

going and they had an unlimited roster of cannon fodder because they were again they were paying everybody they could bring in people that he hadn't seen on TV for a year but had names and have him jackhammer them. Or are they just jackhammer almost everybody that didn't have creative control and political pull? Because a lot of the guys didn't give a shit because they got the same money either way and nothing was really drawn. So fuck it, yeah, let him beat me. And that's why it worked. And then when they started fucking with it, and made him a normal human and started doing the screwy booking.

Then it was kind of on the downhill slide, but they really went out of business before they had a chance to kill Goldberg, right? All the way. Oh, yeah, no, they never got a chance to kill him all the way. He never. I mean, he's still over today for a reason. Yeah. Well, Vince did a better job trying to kill him when he first brought him in a couple years later

and, you know, didn't understand the whole deal. But that's the thing is. he got over by himself by accident, not planned, and then they ran with it for a while, but then they started fucking it up. But before he was really dead, they went out of business. So he still got the aura, but in the WWE where they were more,

there was more top talent. There was more control over the booking. There was more of a plan behind the way that people were being, presented whether it's a good plan or bad plan, it was at least a plan. So Vince wouldn't have let him just throw Goldberg out there and that whole phenomenon wouldn't have happened. Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting too because you've heard probably like I have over the years

that maybe some of the guys who are around his age would have been in the business a lot longer who were main event guys in WCW may have gotten in his head, may have told him. Yeah. Maybe they weren't conducting. themselves in the best way and they advise other people to do the same. Maybe it benefited them. I mean, you've heard a lot of different things. What do you do if you have a prodigy, you know,

for lack of a better term, someone who comes up and, maybe not a prodigy, someone who comes up and right away they're a star. When you have a phenomenon. And you need to build upon it. And you also have to make sure while you're doing it, you could work with the person. What do you do to protect someone who doesn't know the business from people filling their head with shit? well therein lies a problem because you you can't fix stupid right if if somebody is inclined to believe people's bullshit that they wind them up about it you know then there's almost nothing you can do about it besides telling them hey people are going to wind you up and tell you shit but you just try to show them the right way and if they trust your opinion then they will believe

you instead of other people, but I mean, there's, there's all kinds of different ways that people can get in, you know, a guy's head like that. And whether he's insecure or whether he's too secure, whether he's over fucking egotistical, or he's completely a basket case. It's, you know, when you get anybody that's really dedicated to want to do something, because you can't say that Goldberg wasn't giving it as all. And he's a former pro athlete anyway that you can really fuck him up when he ain't smart to the wrestling business.

But it just, you know, it depends on, that's the thing about showbiz of any kind, entertainment sports of any kind. Joe Namath probably wasn't the best football player of all time, but goddamn for about 10 years there, he was when you said,

name a football player. Joe Namath. Who sold the most ticket? Joe Namath. Who's in a movie? Joe Namath? Because it's the package of charisma and personality and look and talent. And brains has to come in there because you have to know what to do with all of those things. I don't know whether that tells you about Goldberg or not. All right. Jim, our next question sent via the Culta Cornette Facebook group by Michael Sean Braswell.

Hey, Jim, do you think Brian Pilman would have become a world champion or at least become IC champion in WWE if he didn't die in 1997? Oh, well, the international, intercontinental title definitely, which at the time was still something major in the company, I, at 1997 to, I can't say if Pilman had, if Pilman had stayed healthy, had not had the wreck, had not had the issues, I can't tell you he might not have been the WWF champion someday because a different type of wrestler in the 2000s was going to at least get short runs

with it than what Vince would have picked in the 80s and 90s. The Intercontinental title would almost be a gimmy because Pilman would have been one of the couple of you know, most important heels in the company that he might even have been a Piper situation where he was used so well but never actually won the world title. But yeah, the,

he had everything he could work, he could talk, he was creative, he had the personality, but physically by the time as we've gone over in the past and after the Pilman Dark Side of the Ring, by the time that he got the opportunity, there was too many injuries and the wreck and the ankle finished him off in terms of really ever coming back to work again as he could once before.

If he had stayed healthy, what do you think his ceiling was? Well, I don't, again, I don't know that he had one because by God, even though the 2000s were going to mostly, you know, be WWE and nothing else, T and A at distant second. you know, Brian's a kind of guy if he wasn't used on top in the WWE, he could have got money in TNA. Or he could have stayed in that. He could do commentary. He could be a manager, but a high-level manager, like a Hayman type of guy with an insidious group.

And that's after, again, if we're talking if he had to stay healthy, after a number of more years of run as a wrestler past 97. you know he was what was he 35 maybe um 33 i thought but maybe 33 so so yeah he was going to wrestle for years more at a high level but he would have been figured in i'm sure it barring if he ever really did flip out and and go crazy or you know instead of just working that And what do you think would have happened to Pilman after the Montreal screw job? If he had stayed healthy and everything was equal and he was a member of the Heart Foundation. Well, but he didn't need to be a member of the Heart Foundation. Because he had the Calgary background and had trained there and we brought that into the story.

And he fit with those guys. But Vince didn't consider Brian Pilman a part of the Hart family. It was a gimmick. He was part of the group on screen. but he would have got no heat, had no heat for that. And with Brian, I'm sure he probably didn't appreciate that Brett got screwed, but at the same time he had five kids or whatever at a high paying contract, so he wasn't going to walk out on a moral stand over it.

All right, Jim, our next question was sent to me of the Colta Cornette Facebook group by Rory Milberg off topic. I've heard that name before. which is better to grow with charcoal or propane? Honestly, now again, no answer can be a yes or no and a simple thing. If you want to just get to the meat of the matter, get that meat cooked and shove it down your neck, propane, because you can control that better. But if you really want to get the old-fashioned cookout taste,

like you're in the backyard and your mama slapping him burgers together or Uncle Frank or whatever the fuck, you got to go with charcoal, but that's a process. And you have no preference. You're not going to take any side in this whatsoever. It depends on how much time I've gotten, how hungry I am. You're going to get a little more convenience with propane.

You're going to get a little more of the flavorful taste of the experience with charcoal. Better smell, too. With which? Charcoal. Propane doesn't really, I mean, if you're over there, huffing the propane. It might,

maybe that's what's wrong with your organ plane. That's not, hey. It's not going to, that's a propane high if I've ever heard one. It's not going to impart propane taste to your food.

You're not going to have propane tasting hot dogs. Honey, those Oscar Myers tastes like propane. But just you go outside and someone's barbecue and the smell of the charcoal. It's a good smell. That's what I say,

yes, but it's also, it's a more laborious and pains-taking time-consuming process where you can just turn that goddamn well Bruce Pritchard called me at home one time in Connecticut. We had the fucking meetings in the two months of the year

that good weather hit Connecticut. We would sit and write at the table outside of Vince McMahon's swimming pool that he used to push people into. I've told you this, right? Well, one day Bruce called me, said, when you were there writing yesterday or we were there writing,

did you fool with the knobs on Vince's grill there by the pool? And I said, no, I didn't, I don't know how that thing works. I've never seen him use it. I thought it was just there for goddamn looks. I said, I didn't, no, I didn't. Apparently he had gone that night to light it to make stakes or something. And somebody had turned the thing up high when he, it almost undertaker paroed him.

Vince's head almost went up in flames. Oh my God. I said it wasn't me. Did he blame Bruce? He was just trying to get to the bottom of who was monkey. in with his controls and I think they were interviewing everybody that had been in and around the house. I feigned

complete ignorance of the entire situation. Well, as long as you feigned it. Jim, let's get a few more questions before we wrap things up. This one, and we received a lot of questions in the last couple weeks because the WWE's vault has been uploading Great American Bash is 85, 86, 88.

So the content's now getting out there. What the hell happened, 87, by the way? 87's war games, isn't it? Well, no, they haven't released it, is what I'm saying to you. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I'm sure we'll find out something, but... Sons of bitches.

Some questions that have come in, this one sent to corny drawthrough at gmail.com from James. First off, long-time, loyal member of the cult of cornet before it was a cult. Met my cornet and San Francisco Civic met my cornet. And San Francisco Civic Auditorium, Great American Bash, believe it was 1987, and that's what made me want to be in the business. Oh, God, I'm sorry about that, but actually, I think it was 88 by the time we got to San Francisco for a bash, but nevertheless. Trained by Mike Modest and Brian Danielson in APW boot camp in California.

So it's an honor to get your wisdom and knowledge, even to this day. My question is about Steve Regal. In the NWA... Which one? Well, again, we're talking about bashing. 86. Okay. In NWA, he was often mid-card or open matches, heel. But I can help, but again, this may have been spoken out and transcribed, I don't know. Or possibly alcohol was involved. But I can help, but feel like he was a very underutilized based on his in-ring work and

heel persona. Do you have any memories of him? And what's your thoughts on whether or not he could of handled and pulled off a main event push. And we received, like I said, a lot of questions about it. I have one here also from the culticorant Facebook page, Adam Wolcock. What's with Steve Regal going from the AW8 to Crockett in June 86? And leaving almost immediately after, he teamed up with Jimmy Garvin again, but was losing prelim matches in WWF by September. Did he annoy someone?

So what happened with Steve? Regal, who arrived in 86? Well, hold on. First of all, Steve Regal, for the more modern fans, William Regal, the fine gentleman from the United Kingdom, was originally Steve Regal when he came to this country. It was his name before, Steve Regal, and he worked as that at Lord Stephen Regal and WCW, et cetera, but the Steve Regal being talked about here, It was actually the first Steve Regal, who was the son-in-law of Wilbur Snyder.

Steve was trained in Indianapolis and probably, I guess, 70, would have been 73, 74 thereabouts, along with Spike Hubert, who became Bruiser's son-in-law for a time. And Steve and Spike were partners. They were the only two wrestlers on Bruiser's roster under 50. That's why his territory went under. Steve was the star of the of the group there. Tremendous athlete, wonderful worker. Athletic, it took a incredible turnbuckle where he'd shoot him off

and he'd leave his feet halfway across the ring, turn in midair and hit the turnbuckle. Incredible standing drop kick. He came to the Tennessee territory in 79 was partners with handsome Jimmy Valiant when Jimmy was a baby face and was a good mid-card, high-card baby face. He could sell. He was a good-looking guy.

He had a great smile, intelligent person, well-spoken, decent promo. Wasn't, you know, goddamn Terry Funk or anything in that department. And really, I think it came down to he spent probably the first, I'd say, six years of his career for the most part, either working out of Indianapolis, occasionally, like I said, he came to Tennessee for six months once and I think he went to Georgia for a while.

But because he was based in Indianapolis and at that time nothing was happening, not a lot of people were working with Bruiser. You know, a lot of people didn't seem, maybe he didn't want to go. Then finally when he did get out there, he and Jimmy Garvin were the

World Tag Team Champions in the AWW. They were a good heel team. Gorgeous, Jimmy had more of the pretty boy, the sequins and everything and precious. But Steve with the blonde hair, as a heel he fit in. I always liked him as a baby face, but he was a good heel also. And they got a push, and that's right when the Road Warriors had left. So they went down in history as the ones who beat to Road Warriors for the AWA tag title. But the thing is, Vern's business started going south.

And when they brought him into Crockett, I think it would, again, it was just too much talent. The guys at the top of the card, are you going to, Steve Regal or Magnum T.A. or Barry Windham or Dusty Rhodes or Steve Regal is a heel or Tully Blanchard or Arne Anderson or Rick Flair. So I think that. Again, Jimmy Garvin came in with him and got a push. Well, Jimmy Garvin in the, in the Carolinas, remember. Remember Jimmy Garvin came in before? Jimmy Garvin was there before Steve. And he had a push as a single. And he also had the ballet and he had the gimmick.

And he had a, he had the whole, the whole gorgeous Jimmy Garvin gimmick was tailor made for Dusty to book as first a heel and then the flamboyant baby face. Steve didn't really have that flamboyant gimmick. And that's why I always saw him as a baby face because the way he could sell and get sympathy and the girls loved him. Sold a bunch of pictures here. But by then the late 80s, there's only one or two places to go. And if they ain't going to use you there, Steve got out of the wrestling business and got into business business. He actually had email, would he email or did he tweet, whatever he did, a couple of,

A couple of years ago, I've went back and forth with him a time or two because he had heard us talking about him. And he's now he's a little bit older than I am and retired and successfully, I think, living in Florida, whatever. But so he didn't suffer because the territories went out of the way. But he should have been, he had the talent to go farther than what he was able to do by what was happening in the business beyond his control. Well, he stands out. I think on that bash show from 86, I want to say it was like him against Denny Brown. So he stood out and you're looking at Denny Brown, you're like,

how did this guy get in there? Yeah. Well, and Dusty liked Denny Brown from Florida. And when they put the World Junior Heavyweight title on Denny Brown, that was the sign that the junior heavyweight title was never going to ever mean anything again. Is that the worst belt ever, the one with the crown? Yeah, yeah, absolute worry. Nelson Royal made his own.

It on, with a leather crafting outset and whatever, the one that Nelson had in the late 70s, he made his own, I think, rather than wear that fucking thing. Jim, our next question sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com, once again, related to the WWVALT's release of Great American bashes from various years. This was sent by Joe Grosscup, Charleston, West Virginia.

I recently watched a bash 88 from Greensboro and was shocked to see so many empty seats. It looked like whole sections were empty. This was very surprising, given it's Greensboro. And there was both a scaffold match and war games. I would let me get Jim's thoughts on why attendance was so poor at this event. Well, hold on, and I've just reached around the corner

and got my 1988 book because several things were going on. And if you will remember, the most important was that the summer of 1988 came after Thanksgiving 1987. Remember that? That usually that's the way it happened. Yeah. And the people in Greensboro were so fucking offended that Starcade got taken away from them and put in Chicago and,

and I know a lot of people now are all bullshit. No, it affected Greensboro. All the longtime Greensboro fans will tell you that. They've said that before, but it really did. If you go back and look at the numbers, they got pissed. And let me give you an example in, I know it was early 87, but I believe in February or March 87,

so I'm getting there now, let's see, February 87, Can I find Greensboro? Yes. Greensboro in February, on February 7th, 1987, it was the Midd Out Express versus Ronnie Garvin and Barry Windham for the U.S. Tag Team title, but it was a stacked lineup. It drew 12,000 people, $120,000. Right?

And business was great. And then hold on the following month where I'd have to try. Ah, on March 14th, Greensboro, 1987, the Flair and Wyndham NWA title match sold out, 15,000 plus paid $130,000. Okay? And then in the summer of 87, I'll get there. In 1987, Greensboro didn't get a bash show. Now that I'm looking at this. How did that be? Really?

Okay, here's the goddamn schedule. Lakeland, Landover, Richmond, Atlanta, Charleston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Oklahoma City, West Palm, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Johnson City, Norfolk, which did $180,000, the state of Virginia gate record for wrestling. Charlotte that did $174,000. appointment that year in the in the stadium. Roanoke, Chicago, Greenville, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Ohio, Fayetteville, Rock Hill, Jacksonville, Florida, Miami, Florida, and the Superdome on August 1st. Greensboro didn't get a goddamn bash. And I'm looking at August. I don't see us back in August either. They may have run a town and we run the town we weren't on it. So point being, go ahead. They were in Greensboro on July 11th.

Wait a minute. Where was I then? July 11th. Oklahoma City. You were for the UWF, yeah. We were at the bash. It says it's a bash show, but that was a UWF bash. So they were in Greensboro.

Anything on the house? I don't know. It says 10,532. Here's the card listed. Kendall Windham defeated Thunderfoot number one. Nelson Royal defeated a Thunderfoot number two. The Mod Squad defeated Jimmy Valiant and Lasertron in a bunkhouse match. Michael Hayes and Buddy Roberts fought Manny Fernandez and Ivan Koloff to a draw at 13 minutes.

A time with a draw at 13 minutes. Holy Anderson defeated the Barbarian. Arne Anderson and Tully Blanchard defeated Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson by disqualification. Rick, oh, I remember this match now. Rick Flair beat Jimmy Garvin with Precious in a steel cage match, and Lex Lugar defeated Nikita Kohloff in a cage. Well, and there's the problem. And we, meanwhile, the Middite Express and the Road Warriors are in Oak City,

and it only did a $54,000 house because the Mid-South towns were dead. But anyway, in 88, asking the question of why the empty seats, in 88 they changed the structure because the bash had never been on pay-per-view before because we had not been doing pay-per-view at 87. So the Great American Bash in July of 1988 that was being promoted was the one in Baltimore.

And that did 13,000 people sell out paying $206,000 which was a Baltimore record but some of the other towns suffered because before it had been all about the Great American Bash on tour, see it near you, now it's, you know, buy the big one to watch on TV and O'Cum Live also. So what happened with Charlotte? Charlotte went from the 85 bash had 25,000 people. The 86 bash still had 20-something thousand. and the house was a couple hundred grand. The 87 bash, as I said, was disappointing when it did $174,000. The 88 bash in Memorial Stadium did 98 grand, less than 10,000 people.

As the last time they went outdoors in Charlotte. And then Pittsburgh, the Great American Bash there, we had run Bubba and Dusty there. in early 87 and sold out did $160,000. The Bash did $80,000 in Pittsburgh. Chicago only did $100,000. So most of the houses individually were down across the Bash house shows from where they'd been in 86 and 87, but the one in Baltimore that the promotion was focused on did a record house.

How did that? Chattanooga did a record house. record on July 14th, they did 83 grand because they weren't used to getting a bash at all. But Richmond was down to 109 grand. And then the house in Greensboro was 100 grand. So a little bit less than 10,000 people. Because it, it wasn't special anymore. Philadelphia did 147,000.

It wasn't bad, but certainly it wasn't the $200-something,000 of the 86 bash and we got zoomed on that one to begin with. The biggest bash that year besides the Baltimore show was Landover Maryland, the Capitol Center. Did $157,000. That was a hell of a building. It always drew well, but Crockett couldn't get in there all the time

because Vince had it so did. Do you plan to check any of these out on YouTube? The 88 bash or any of the other ones? Um, yeah, you know, I've, I've got the VHS tapes, but it's not like I have watched them in well, the Greensboro one, years and years. The Greensboro one wasn't on VHS. Uh, oh, the 88 Greensboro. Well, actually, I've had that VHS because that was by three on two handicapped match me in the midnight against the fantastics. I got that from the office. I've had that for 40 fucking years. No way. Yeah, it's, it's, I actually, well,

I was going to say, I think it was on the, yeah, it was on the rookie year DVD that I sold on the website for a while. Because it's just raw footage that I got from the office. There's no commentary. It never aired on television. So I'm like, well, they ain't going to sue me over this. Now, maybe they'll sue me over it. You know, it's so weird when I watched some of the footage from the 86 bash, which is memorable from the Rick Flair entrance in the helicopter, which is really cool just to watch the whole thing play out, you know, without any editing. But the thing that stands out in the crowds, but, you know, it reminded me of Smoky Mountain. Just kind of seeing everything outdoors like that,

it reminded me, I don't know, I just got like the scent of when I was, you know, in Smoky Mountain Wrestling in 94. Well, that's the thing. When you would go, there was nothing like outdoor wrestling events down south in a summertime. Because the fans were naturally more, you know,

into it than other parts of the country. and it's hot and sticky, so everybody's sweating. And, you know, they tried to pull some things. And somebody watched the Flair entrance in the helicopter, said, who's that fucking idiot getting out with Flair waving a rubber chicken around? And you see it, and the guy you had a rubber chicken. And now I'll tell you who he was, but I'm trying to remember his name, God damn it. But he was one, he was, if not the most popular.

nightly local newscaster on one of the TV stations or sportscaster that was a big Flair fan and had done big promotion and build up for this thing. And he was one of the most recognizable people in town. And they had done some promotion where I don't, the rubber chicken made some sense with some offhand remark that Flair had made about Riggie Morton being a chicken or whatever.

But when this health helicopter appears, they're in Charlotte in 1980, fucking six or whatever. It wasn't like that, you know, the people were used to these big mega stadium shows that they see with WrestleMania now. And still, even when they've seen the stadium shows, the guys come to the ring and they play some music. And then they get in the ring and wrestle. They didn't know helicopter entrances.

And all this, when that helicopter starts flying over and lands in the same, stadium and Flair gets out with that robe and the newscaster that everybody watches every night on TV is with him. It was a big fucking deal. People were crazy. Well, that was that. That was that question. And Jim, with that, we're going to wrap up the questions here this week on the drive-thru,

and we will go to a song or two to wrap up here, episode 400. This one, we'll give this a shot. This was sent by Stefan and Auburn Maine. He sent three songs. Ooh, that's, uh... That makes me worry that he didn't pour his all into one of. One of them apparently is a Stephen P. New song. One of them is called Invisible P.Nus.

That's the Stephen P. New song? No, that's the other song. And then the third song is the ever-trending Jim Cornet. Let's try this one. From Stefan and Auburn, Maine. Did you ever feel close to Maddie, but then chose to poke and laugh? We've endeavored his gimmicks, they're so awful, but then we further gasped. Nuh. Why?

Maddie never should have crashed through wood. Now Jeff's bros become a spas, claims that he's misunderstood. The toxic fandom made him cry. never should have crashed through wood Now he gab's on an outlet Because those Twitter feeds They could be trending for Jim Cornet I was wondering how he was going to pull you into it

What is happening? What is happening? Where did this come from? Oh Well, let's go back to the mighty mighty Stefan in Auburn, Maine. Am I just in the bridge? Let's see the next thing is anything to do with you. Remember when they chop a dick's fight guide

to many Joey would molest His clever comedy, he would reply No wonder why Jim would protest Joe way And then they knuckle-locked his word All right, let's just see I don't know what this is By the way, why does it always sound like he's whispering

Like he's afraid he's going to be discovered in the house I think he's afraid he's going to be discovered in the house Let's see what Invisible Penis is You remember the song Detachable P penis, Jim? I can't say that I do, Brian That's what this is, let's see if this has anything to do that. Retachable Pita. Stefan, where are you?

I'm on here. I was working a typical indie house show with all the gimmicks and comedy spots to boot and throw me in with the Invisible Man which seemed fine at first, collar elbows and sort and sure enough and a very naked choke

I realize I have a very obviously dropping phallis slapping me in my left butt cheek and I turn to him and suggest for a while and if... We're gonna stop Invisible penis.

What the fuck is happening here? He's two for three and awful this. Let's go to one more. Let's give a shot. Here's the Stephen B. New song. Can you imagine how many Tudor's Biscuit world

they're gonna have to open to earn $200 million. But nevertheless... I got a complaint about your Stephen Pinoo plugs. How is that? Who's complaining? One of the listeners wrote in, they said you're a liar. Well, in what way?

You said the phone number is 1-877-50 Steve. Yes. They said you're a liar. It's 50, Steve. They dialed 50 Steve, and it went to the wrong place. Oh, God damn it. Stephen. What?

What? Say his competition defense attorneys Go on him Four payout Faces of the meat cross upon them He will count him Restitution He can help compensations for your pen

877 550 7 8383 or just 5.0 Steve. All right. You know, I never was a big fan of Pearl Jam to begin with,

let alone whatever this is. The email says Christmas in July. Get the fuck out of here. Thank you. Stephen in all her names. Hey, some people around the world don't have a bountiful Christmas. So it could be

considered Christmas in Cambodian. All right, one more here. This is from, this was sent the corny drive-thru at gmail.com from hash lips, Harry Hughes, a long-time listener of the show, a new Stephen P. New jingle.

Let's give this a shot. 877-5-0-D, the number to call for justice and money. Oh! Oh, okay, that was rather... Okay, well, there you go. Let's hear it one more time. 877-5-0-0-D for number to call for justice and money

For justice and money That's what he's saying there All right, well thank you hash lips Hashlips Harry If that is indeed your real name Thank you from me and thank you from Brian And thank you from Steve And even if he's not here right now

On the show Once again send your songs corny drive-thru at gmail.com. Of course, Jim, if you do need the suit, we know someone they could talk to. Oh, goddamn, you just play the goddamn song again. It's got the number, it's got the name, everything. Steve and 87750, Steve, that's it.

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