Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast - 332 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Oliver Stone Et al.

Episode Date: June 10, 2023

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and things that need to happen in this world. Go Oliver. Yeah, it's surprising that I mean, I almost feel like he's going out in a limb with this like, nuclear energy thing, but yeah, good for him. All right, let's get going. You are listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review podcast. We find little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience podcast and pass them on to you, perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as

the talking dead to Joe's walking dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan experience review. What a bizarre thing we've created. Now with your hosts, Adam Thorn. My interview to the worst podcast was a best one. One, go. Enjoy the show. Okay. Oliver Stone. Man, think of the amount of movies that he's been a part of. Like really, when you're thinking of culture or cultural, influential people. So, like so many.

Yeah. Like who are the original influencers? Like Steven Spielberg and James Cameron. I mean, really that's what they were. Okay, well, let's just, can we just do a run through of some of this video? Let's do a run through. Okay, JFK revisited, that was 2021.

Snowden 2016. Savages, haven't seen that one. Wall Street 2010, I haven't seen that one either. South of the border, W with Josh Pearl and that was a good one. Maybe, maybe let's hit more of his greatest hits. Greatest hits. Okay. Natural born killers love the doors. Come on. The doors. I mean, was that with a J. F. I. The original J. F. K. That was a good one. who was who played Jim Morrison in that oh I don't know what's kill oh killmer. Yeah, oh freaking good. So good. So good platoon. Mm-hmm. I mean

Yeah, that's about as iconic as it gets for a movie. Yeah, so there you go. Yeah. All right. So he's back. He's done You know a documentary film style about nuclear power. Interesting. Fair enough. I mean, we just had a guy in the studio that was like not keen for it. Well, he's more capable. He's a hippie.

He's a hippie. Yeah, he was a hippie. Look, what Oliver Stone is saying is there's no way we're gonna hit this zero carbon emissions by 2050 if we don't do nuclear. He's just being smart about it. You know, there's this utopian vision of, you know, having renewables work.

It's not going to work, it's not enough. It does, it's not sunny all the time. It's not windy all the time. Right. You have to have something else. And nuclear is so clean and what. I mean, look, those dams work really well. Yeah.

Isn't it also environmentally problematic to just dam everything up? Absolutely. Absolutely. But there's other things there's, you can do, you know, solar is so powerful now. However, it wasn't that one stat that you needed, like something like 10 times the land

to make 150th the power of like a nuclear power station. I don't know the stats, but I mean, look, did I wrote it down? Hold on. You wrote it down, okay, but they said, I just remember when Elon Musk was talking about solar that you could basically take like one tenth of the state of Nevada and make it into a bunch of solar panels and you could power the whole country. Yeah, I don't know.

It was a hundred times the power with one fifth of the land. Right. I mean, that's a massive difference. And, you know, so when I got into nuclear power, I was watching Bill's brain and I am not a huge fan of Bill. Well, for one, I think PCs are horrible.

I'm more of a Matt guy. Who the Oh Bill Bill Gates Gates. Thank you. Yeah. But Bill Gates, right before the pandemic started, he was about to make a nuclear power plant in China. And then then Trump, I think it was actually before this. It was this is more like 2018 Trump then put all the tariffs on China and the steel tariffs and all that stuff. Then we stopped doing business with China for however long and that kind of squashed everything. Right. My point is that I watched the movie and what they were saying is that these nuclear power

plants will not explode. There's ways that the reactors won't get too hot. They have the technology to do it. It's not just like a couple of dudes in Springfield, like Homer Simpson's style, sitting there, fucking around with buttons, okay? I think... Well, I don't really think anyone thinks that. Well, it turned noble was.

But Chernobyl was a human error. Yeah, so. So, right, but you're talking about 19, what, 80 this happened in Chernobyl 80? Yeah, it was a long time ago. Right. Did you see how some bit computers were there? Like, he was just clunky blobs,

it's this sucked, like a lot of things were pretty shitty back then. So it's just this narrative that we've been fed that it's bad. Why are we being fed that it's bad? Think about it. It's every narrative that we've been fed that it's bad. Why are we being fed that it's bad? Think about it. It's every fucking thing we've been fed that is bad is order is in order to create profit for oil and gas and coal. It's been that way since the industrial revolution, dude. They're trying to pin it as bad. Just like they try to pin recycling as bad, which it doesn't even really work. I mean, that's a whole another subject, but it's like, yeah, so they put it pin recycling as bad, because it doesn't even really work. I mean, that's a whole nother subject,

but it's like, yeah, so they put it on us as a consumer to recycle, so then they don't have to feel bad, and then they can keep making plastic bottles, even though they're filling up the ocean. Right. You know, it's just another way they spread this narrative because it's good for them, it's good for profits. If we had a bunch of nuclear power plants,

think of how much, I mean, coal would good for profits. If we had a bunch of nuclear power plants, think of how much, I mean, coal would essentially be gone. There would be no more coal. Yeah, I feel like it would be great to get a bunch of people together, right, from different sides of the aisles and different parts of our community, right? Even that hippie that was in here today, talking about new together,

nuclear power, and I love the push towards renewable. I mean, look, if you put enough money into something, we get good at it. So we're gonna get good at it. Whatever we go in, like put time into. Yep, always. And I think there's, it only makes sense that there would be a place for like all of it

within reason. But if everyone starts talking and they get to the point where they're like, look, what we're trying to do is reduce pollution. Okay, which ones pollute the most? Okay, so we got to minimize those. Which ones pollute the least? Okay, those, now how expensive are they?

You know, and also how much power can they make? So there's somewhere, there's like a graph that would just kind of plot this. And it seems to me, what makes sense that we get us over the hump is, you know, quite a few more nuclear power places, zero emissions, lots of power. And they take up not very much space. So that's technically good for the environment. And we get a lot of power. In the meantime, while we have that, so we're taking care of, we all have to live, remember what we figure out how to use wind farms, and then work on those different things.

Well, and you look at the deaths, right? The deaths from pollution in a coal plant town are massive, just from asthma and sick kids and people dying in the mines. I mean, these are things that don't get talked about. I don't think that there are many people that would be happy to move to a coal burning plant, a city or town, like really quickly. And even if you're pro all of that,

you're going to be a bit wary of breathing that shit in. Well, look, and the lot of the movie, it sounds like talks about these developing countries like India and, you know, China's already doing it. They said they put $440 billion into the buildout of nuclear. Well, they said they're building 150 more nuclear power than soon. Good.

Smart move. That's awesome. But India needs to do that. Africa needs to do that. Right now they're burning anything they can to create power. Of course they're gonna do that. They need power. They want to be like the West. It's just it's gonna happen. So let's start The talks now and let's make it happen because I don't think these things are easy to build. Right. They take a long time There's gonna be a lot of steps to go through, a lot of red tape to cross. I think it's the red tape issue

to make some take so long. Right. But I can't imagine that if we were able to build them, when do we build the first one, 60s and 70s, maybe even earlier? I mean, we figured out nuclear, the nuclear bomb in the 40s. Correct.

Yeah, that's a different thing, but it's nuclear power. Pretty close. You all, and remember these plants don't really blow up like a bomb either. But that's the confusion though, right? That's the confusion. I think that's scared of this leaking. You think of green slime. Yeah, like clouds.

Clouds are green. like you think of like green, you know, slime. Yeah, like, like clouds, clouds of green, that turn everyone into like a three-eyed monster with superpowers. What did it say? Only 50 people died at Chernobyl. Now, Chernobyl's a different story. There's a bunch of radiation there. You're not supposed to go close to Chernobyl. That's what was confusing to me,

because Oliver said in Fukushima, there wasn't a ton of deaths at all, and people are still eating the fish, and the food and everything's fine. That, to me, is confusing. I don't want to know what to think about that, because it seems to me if a reactor blows up, it's gonna go over the ocean, it's gonna be bad.

I don't think that they, like, when they say it blows up, like there is an explosion, but it's not a bomb. And then it's leaking, right? And then they have to kind of basically like cover it all up like they did. You know, so it's definitely putting out radioactive material, which has an impact. And that information needs to be carefully collected, you know? Yeah. Like you would need to make sure that it is all carefully

collected, but he did say that in Japan in similar areas, near the coast, they had a bunch of other nuclear power plants that wouldn't unaffected. Right. So it seems that the Fukushima one was just not built that well. The JRE review is proud to be sponsored by BetterHelp.

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What? It says no deaths. Yeah, it said all four Fukushima reactors were written off due to the damage and accident after two weeks. The three reactors units one through three were stable with water addition and by July, they were being cooled with recycled water and blah, blah, blah. And yeah, no deaths. Let's price them deaths though.

Wasn't that? Well, no deaths, but it talks about. There have been no deaths or cases of radiation sickness from the nuclear accident, but over 100,000 people were evacuated. All right. Well, they did a pretty good show. So it sounds like no cases of sickness. Now, this is just one source,

but this is what Oliver Stone pointed out. And obviously Oliver Stone did a shit ton of research for his movie, the guys of Frickin' Professional. Well, he said that 2 million people die every year from industrial actions. Now, obviously, industrial plants, there's way more than there are nuclear places, but 2 million people is a lot of people. And there's not this like massive fear to get rid of all industrial plants. Right, but dude, it's just like we pick

and choose these things that... Well, look at the look. okay, so just look at the deaths of what would actually cause the reactor to, you know, be destabilized is from the tsunami, right? That's what happened. 19,500 people were killed from a tsunami. We can't stop a tsunami. No. But we can create reactors from getting fucked up by a tsunami, right? We can create a bigger wall. They said the wall that was created in front of the nuclear power plant wasn't strong enough. Those are the steps we can take in order to if something like a tsunami were to happen, then maybe the nuclear power plant wouldn't have,

like you said, it didn't blow up, but it got too hot. Sure, right? It's something moved and something, yeah. Well, it's interesting, right? Like, up, but it got too hot. Sure. Right? It's something moved and something. Yeah. Well, it's interesting, right? Like, let's look at it this way. Let's say it was a Toys or Us warehouse. There you go. And 500 people work in there, hypothetical.

And then as tsunami comes, and because the war wasn't high enough, all those people drown. Do we then look at Toys of Russ warehouses and say that seems dangerous. No, no, we just do it. No, I just safeguard. But that's my point. It's like we'll just build the warehouse better. It's not a warehouse as fault. Yeah. In a sense, it wasn't the nuclear power plants for I mean, it was they should have taken better precautions, but it doesn't mean that you can't protect Whatever the thing is in the place. Right. And what I'm saying is, is in order for people to be stewards and want nuclear power

plant to be excited about nuclear power, we have to create those safeguards so that people will believe, you know, the politicians or whoever, I don't think politicians are going to solve the problem because they're getting paid off by the oil and gas companies. The problem is that people still think it's bad. That's the problem. And Netflix won't even put it on their platform. And they talked about it at the end of the conversation. It was a pretty quick conversation.

Totally not working off. I guess, but dude Netflix has so many other but controversial things. But also why don't we like let's pay attention to the fact that the US still has the most nuclear buildings, right? But they're in their own school and they're all school. Right. So they're not as good as they could be. Right. But we're all still happy to use their energy.

Of course. We're all still happy to get the benefits of lots of cheap power that is environmentally friendly. And think about, and small nuclear reactor on a submarine powers that submarine for 50 years. We could do that with planes. That's so dope. We could do that with planes. I think that's how the aircraft carrier is running, too.

That's how they should. Oh, are you talking about in the Navy? Yeah, the ones they land the planes on. Okay, I think they're run by those and they just have power forever. Okay, so we know how to do this. We do it for ourselves when the government can save money by doing it. Of course, they're going to do it, but we can't do it for us for the rest of the humanity. Imagine if you could have a tiny one in your house.

Think about that though. Think about that. They do it for our military because it's cheap and it's efficient, and it's clean, and they probably don't care about the cleanliness. I don't think they care how cheap it is. It just would be efficient. It would, yeah, exactly.

It would be a real pain in the ass if nuclear subs had to like pull up to a, you know, an exon gas station and fill up. Okay. So there's, there's other factors there for sure, but it's all the same, but it works. And those blown up, no. I mean, I'm maybe some have that we don't know about, but you don't hear about. Dave Mechanics in there, they just fix them.

Exactly. It works. It works, people. We got to change the narrative. He's an interesting thing for people that are worried about because when I've talked to people about it, and I was unsure about this myself, well, they're like, yeah, but what about the ways

we can't get rid of it? Right? Yes, you can. You can bury it. Okay, but you don't, it just still exists, but it's under the ground. He's the thing. And like Joe said, maybe we can make batteries,

maybe we do something with it. And probably if we put time in, we could figure it out. You know, scientists and engineers, humans that were pretty smart when we get a chance to be, and then there's like some funding. Anyway, do you know how much waste you have for your entire life if it was contained in like depleted uranium or whatever the nuclear spent fuel is. No idea. Take a guess. How many how big

it would be? Yeah, how big of a thing. It's probably by as big as this table. For just as big as this room. Okay. So this room like 30 but 10 by 12, 10 by 12 square block. Yeah. So 100 square, 100 square feet, a can of coke. See? These are the things we need to know. Now, don't get me wrong. That's 300 million cans of coke. But that's no crazy. That's nothing. We definitely sell more cans of coke. But if you can store those in the ground and cover them with concrete, in another hundred years, it's gonna be depleted. It's gonna be okay.

Yeah, that's not the best solution, but it's way better than digging fucking holes in the ground and having gas and methane and freaking pipelines of oil blowing up in the freaking ocean and in the rivers. I mean, come on. You're talking to a hippie here, dude. I blowing up in the freaking ocean and in the rivers. I mean, come on. Yeah, you're talking to a hippie here, dude. I grew up as a hippie. I thought you're a huge hippie renewable energy was the only way, but I'm an open-minded person. I will take I

will take facts from other people and I will you know to turn them and I will figure out what makes the most sense nuclear makes sense. Well, this might be proper driven because he said the Rockefellers back in the day, put at an article in New York Times about the dangers of radiation. Right. Well, they're the oil refinery. Thank you. Monopoly. That's what I said at the beginning, these are oil execs and oil people. It's like the sugar and the saturated fat thing again. Yeah. It's like the sugar industry the saturated fat thing again.

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¡Tú, es todo el poder, es todo el poder, nosotros tenemos la habilidad de crear una energía clean. Esto es un gran paso, la dirección. Un gran fan. Y también, creo que es muy grande que estamos This is a huge step. The right direction. I'm a big fan. And also, I also think it's great that we're pursuing, you know, solo wind and the rest of it. Absolutely. There's definitely a place for that.

You know, Oliver points this out. Even if climate change wasn't a thing, and this is what people I think need to get on board with, whether you think climate change is real or not, or if we're causing it, it doesn't matter. This is clean energy. It's like, if you go to the gas pump and you're like, hey, this is going to pollute all the rivers in Montana, or this is going to not pollute all the rivers in Montana, which one

are you going to pick? I don't think anyone, whether even people that are not, they don't believe in climate change as a thing, they definitely believe that horrible particles in the air are bad for you. Right. Cold burning stuff. They don't want to hit the air. Both get behind. Yeah, so I think everyone would agree with that in general.

I mean, didn't you say the owner of Greenpeace even said that we got nuclear wrong? Yeah. And I didn't write the guys name down, but he said, yeah, we either like started a Greenpeace said, yeah, good for him That's a big step because probably he's made some bold statements about what he feels about it and pushed against it It's cool to see him come around, you know, if the date is there and why didn't Al Gore talk about it and in community truth I mean, I liked that movie when it first came out. It scared the shit out of me. I I appreciate it That was fun.

It was. We'd be under-wolta by 2015. Exactly. But what I'm saying is, I liked it too. I believed it. I believed it. I believed it. When I saw the, when they were digging down into the Antarctic ice and bringing out those

cores of ice and they're looking through the data, again, I'm sure some of it was skewed, I don't know. I believe in climate change. I think we're creating it. I think humans are making it worse. And look, again, I'm going to do anything in my power, which is not, I don't have any power, but I can sit here and talk about it and say nuclear makes sense. Whether you're a hippie or you're a full right wing or you're a frickin' whatever.

Somebody in China who knows nothing about any of this stuff or India and they're trying to fucking burn trash to cook their eggs on in the morning. We need nuclear power all over the continent, all over the world. And in a way to go. Also, I want you to speak your truth. So that giant container trash can of cans out there

that you wanted us order a cycle that you have not taken to the I took the last one You got to take a whole of it. It's your thing and it's full Yeah, and guess what I'm not saving the world by doing that But it makes me feel a little bit better. You definitely know if you don't take them. I know I'm not can place But I'm gonna say pro nuclear all the way so what's so what's the Oliver still? What's his video? What's the name of the movie again? Oh yeah, look it up. All right, I'll look it up.

What else you got in your notes? Well, I mean, the Netflix, New Clear Now. Disappointing, New Clean Now. New Clear Now. New Clean Now. So this came out in 2022, okay, I thought it just came out. All right, so we gotta watch it.

I didn't watch it yet, I should have. Yeah, I want to. Let's check it out. All right, let's jump over to you know Pretty heavy emotional, but very important conversation with Josh Dubin and Bruce Brian so Yeah, I mean

Bruce was wrongfully locked up for 30 years You know, I think when people hear something like that, you, it's hard to really appreciate what that means. You know, it's like, we could all imagine how awful that would be. No, 30 years. That's insane. That's just too much time.

It's all the time. Yeah, it's your whole half of your whole life. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I mean, you count the beginning, but you don't really, like, doesn't really have. Because when you're a baby, you're not remembering a lot.

Like this is like a conscious time where you're not an old person, right? This is like prime time. And really, I wanted to start with that because I want to play a clip that they really discussed at the end of the podcast and those that have listened to it or haven't yet will hear it. And and you're going to hear a lot of emotion and that's that's that's really what they're thinking about when they're discussing this. Obviously, Josh and Rogan have not been locked up

for a very long time. But I think through these conversations they've spent the time to consider it and understand the impact of being able to help these people get off. I'm going to play the clip, hold on. I can't tell you how every time I come on here, try not to tell myself that's the last time I'm crying. Thank you.

But thank you so much for having us. And it's my pleasure allowing us to tell these stories. It's just, it's really important. Yeah, listen, I never anticipated in a million years that this podcast would be anything remotely close to what it is and if I can take what that is, that platform and use it to highlight things like what you're doing. And what you've done, I mean, there's nothing, nothing more important. Thank you so much, Joe, man. Thank you. Nothing more important on Thank you so much. Thank you

Nothing more important on what you're doing. Get your voice out You know giving us a voice to share with the people inspiring and encouraging people to get involved man Contributing to humanity man because it's going to take all hands on that. Yeah, I think you're right You know the best of us got to help inspire the rest of us. Yeah, the best of us have to help inspire the rest of us. It's just such a great line. And I mean, but Joe's not, he's not playing up to anything. This isn't some bullshit shitty interview that he's doing on a CNN broadcast where he just wants to get a lot of likes and, you know, show some pretend compassion. That's his real as Joe gets. That may be the most choked up I've

ever heard him. Yeah, for sure. I love that he brings Josh on. I think he's kind of committed to like three or four times a year. It seems so important that he brings it on. If you think about it, I mean, obviously he has a lot of repeat guess. But it's like save up hugs and friends that just come on. But this seems really scheduled. And also, I feel like Josh now has a bit of a window with Rogan to when something big is happening. He can come in. They're just powerful podcasts. And it's just so horrible to hear that people get locked up for so long, for things they haven't done and didn't really get, you know, do course and justice and, and, you know, like a real defense. Well, they talk about this a lot.

They've talked about it a lot in the past when Josh has come out in the past, but really the prison system is a business. And the fact of the matter is that people who become incarcerated a lot of the times it's there, it's their upbringing, it's not their fault. Okay, we have to think about this more compassionately. These people are living in poor communities.

They are growing up in the projects of, you know, the Bronx or wherever, anywhere in USA. They're just growing up as poor people. And poor people need to eat, they need to survive. And you or I, has poor people and poor people need to eat, they need to survive. And you are I, and anyone else out there, if you grew up in a poor community and you don't have a ton of opportunity to do better, what are you gonna do? You're gonna try to make money anyway you can.

And I'm not saying that's right, but that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna burglarize what you're going to do. You're going to, you're going to, you know, you're going to burglarize. You're going to sell drugs. You're going to, you know, go on the streets. You're going to steal, and I'm not saying everyone's going to do this, but it's, it's, it's, I think the point that they were trying to make is this is kind of a system. It's a system that needs to get changed, and, but it's a system that's been put in place to perpetuate. These prison systems aren't going to change unless we change the problem where

it began and the problem where it began is in the streets and in the poor communities where your dad was incarcerated and you grew up with your mother and his grandfather was incarcerated or Whatever it's like these people don't have money. They're on food stamps They're in poor communities and I think a lot of the times it just gets looked You just look away, you know if you see a homeless person on the street You kind of just look away or maybe you give some money and that's a different thing but the street, you kind of just look away or maybe you give some money and that's a different thing. But what did they say like 50% of people incarcerated are dyslexic. So these people are already having extreme, you know, problems with their with their ability to even learn.

And they don't even know that they have this problem because they've been incarcerated pretty much their whole lives. And they're getting put in jail for what did they say like and they don't even know that they have this problem because they've been incarcerated pretty much their whole lives and they're getting put in jail for what did they say, like 50 years? Some of these people are getting put in jail at 18 years old for 50 years for a burglary. Well, they said the one guy was sentenced to 70 years

and the overall results of the injuries that would cause to the victim were full stitches. en el resultado de los injurios que se causan a la victoria eran cuatro estichos. ¿Cómo es posible que sean las tres de la tarde? ¿Qué lleves que haces una verdad atascote? ¿Y quede todo el camino por delante? Y tú estás ahí, dan tranquila a tus cosas. ¿Cómo si te vese todo igual? ¿Cómo es posible?

Vamos, que tú vas trabajando, ¿no? ¿No? ¿A dónde vas tú tan contenta? ¿Eh? ¿A dónde? Llega el mejor momento del año. Llegan tus vacaciones. Este uno de Julio sortió extraordinario de vacaciones de Lotería Nacional con 20 millones aún decimos. Lo terías te recuerda que juegas con responsabilidad y solo si eres mayor de edad. Porque el sistema que ha sido colocado en lugar

¿Qué dice el Cribele 94, responsabilidad y solo sierres mayor de edad. strikes in your out and they just, you know, we're gonna be tough on crime. It's like this Nixon did the same thing with the drug laws. You know, we're gonna solve the problem by putting people in prison and that's clearly not helping. I mean, you look at some other countries, you know, I don't know if you've seen any of these documentaries about some of these countries like Sweden and Norway. People who are incarcerated there are actually getting helped. They're like, they are allowed to walk around. They have kitchens that they share.

Like knives are out in the kitchen. Like the guards don't have guns. The guards aren't beating them up. The guards aren't incentivized to like keep them locked up, they want them to get better. And I think that's the mentality that needs to change. These guards don't give a fuck about the incarcerated people. That's the problem.

Well, they were bullying him right when he was close to being released. Yeah. So he was like up for parole and one of the gods that was kind of like had it out for him. So he had to be real careful. Right. And that must have been a terrifying lockdown. Terrorism was a lockdown in the prison. Yeah.

For whatever reason there was a lockdown, this is one of the most brutal prisons in the country. These upstate New York prisons prisons he talked about it how you know brine was was talking about uh... uh... how was it brine sorry brine yeah he's talking about bruce brine bruce brine thank you is last night

he's talking about how a lot of these systems you know they're in the very poor community where these prisons are at and that's like where all the money comes from. Everyone works at the prison. So there's a lot of nepotism going on. You know, people are, you know, working kind of against each other. Really, it's like me versus you mentality. And you're bad.

And I'm not. And I'm doing the right thing. And really it's like, what's the point of prisons if the people coming out are worse off than when they came in? Right. The point of prisons should be rehabilitation, but that doesn't seem to be the goal of our prison system in this country.

I mean, the struggle there is, if you know they're not gonna be in prison there in whole life, then within reason, you want to encourage them to not reoffend. And what I mean by within reason is if somebody didn't go to prison, but can't afford to go to college, like it's somewhat unfair if people in prison get the opportunity to go to college for free, right? So there's a balance.

The hope is that on the outside, there's social systems that are to help people that are poor from the communities that the criminals originally went to jail from to help stop that problem from continuing. But also now you've got somebody in jail, or you've got to, you can't treat them like an animal, right? But they are. And that is so much of the

problem. It's like being mad at, I don't know, a pet that you have. Let's say you adopt the dog and you just keep it in a cage and you just throw food in there and you're never nice to it And then when you let it out you wonder why it just tries to bite the neighbor It's like it doesn't yeah, you know it doesn't know any better. I'm not saying people in prison are dogs, but I'm saying that you've got to treat them, but we're treating them like dogs kind of I mean we're treat we're putting them in cages. Yeah. You know, and it really, probably most of this just comes down to the money that is made with these prisons. Yeah. There's so much money being made that it's, what do you even stop with that? Well, let's,

let's go to a positive part of this because I was very inspired by, you know, his story and Bruce's story and how he talks about how when you're innocent you fight a little bit differently, right? He would sleep with a pen and a paper, with a pad of paper and a pen every night and he'd wake up and, you know, a lot of, I know this, a lot of your best thoughts kind of come when you're half asleep or you wake up and you think of something and if you don't write it down you're gonna forget it. Yeah. And he would do that. He was like, my best thoughts come to me in my sleep. So I always had a pen and a paper with me and he was writing down these affirmations for himself

and he's putting them on the pad and paper, and the pad and pen, and then the next day he would stick them on the wall. And it really, he was saying how it really reconnected himself with humanity and really inspired him. He was, he was inspiring himself with his own thoughts, but I wanna say that there's like a different mentality there, right? Like he's obviously a brilliant guy and he was incarcerated

for something he didn't do. I'm not saying people who are incarcerated for whatever they did murder or anything else don't have those same thoughts, but there's this different mentality of like, I'm fucking here wrongfully and I'm going to do something about it. There's this different mentality of like, I'm fucking here wrongfully, and I'm gonna do something about it. There's a different mentality there. And he pushed through, but for 30, freaking years. How do you stay, how do you pause and say, how do you not get resentful?

How do you not just, you know, you see people in your day-to-day life that have plenty of privileges, and at least they have freedom, and they're bitter, and angry, and scared, and not honest, and true for, and you name it. And then you have a person that was put in this position that holds his humanity together. It's remarkable. It's very inspiring.

Yeah, and I love what Joe said about wanna make America great again? Make less losers. Yeah, right. Why can't we give human beings opportunities? And really, that's the base of the problem, which I think if it's said to you, and that's the beauty of this podcast,

when you hear it, you go, oh yeah, that makes sense. Like if we gave more people opportunities in these poor communities, instead of shipping $80 billion away to Ukraine, why aren't we putting this money into these poor communities and giving them grocery stores and giving them opportunity of places to work at? Human beings want to work. We're a tribal society.

We want to do things, but if the opportunity is not there, we're going to do whatever we can to get by. And that's the problem. And at the end of the day, these prisons are, they're making money. They're printing money. And then not only, what did they say towards the end? They were talking about when these guys are making 16 cents a day or 16 cents an hour to work. It's not a lot of money.

So it's slave labor. It really is. But slave labor. Yeah, of course. And they were saying they were making sanitizer right when COVID hit. So this sanitizer is now making a profit and these men and women are making 16 cents to the dollar. What the fuck? I didn't know that. Oh yeah, that's how they pay people in prison. I mean, I remember hearing about like making license plates, right? Yeah, they do all kinds of stuff now. But yeah, but now you're making sanitizer for some douchebag to like then go ahead

and make millions of dollars off of it. That's not right. And then there was, what did he say? There was a few gentlemen who realized that they were making bars for other jails and getting paid 16 cents an hour for it and said, fuck this, we're not gonna do this. We're not doing this.

We're not gonna make prison bars. We're not doing this, we're not going to make prison bars so they refuse and then they get thrown into solitary confinement for weeks at a time. How is that rehabilitating the human person? I mean, everybody makes mistakes. Look, I'm not advocating for people who kill other people, okay, that's fucked up. That happens, whatever, but a lot of these guys,

it could have been their first defense and whatever, maybe it was an armed robbery or burglary. What was the guy on last year? Yeah, jelly roll. Yeah. Armed robbery at 16 or 15 years old gets incarcerated for six years. I mean, look what he's done now. Now he's this brilliant musician and he got out of it. But he's got face tats and you look at that guy from across the way and most people think he's a fucking lunatic because he's got face tats Sorry, that's just the way we think a lot You know, and it's and it's like look what incarceration did to him. I mean the guy Was locked up for six years and he got off pretty easy. would say. Well compared to 30 years for something you didn't do. Right? And even then, I mean just think of the long-term effect of it for jelly. Like, you know, I'm sure a lot of the depth of his music

is coming from the pain and frustration of totally being in there making a mistake. You know, it's just it's a hard balance with some things. I mean, listen, arm robbery is a big deal. Yeah, he was very young. And for fact, the fact that they tried him as an adult, that was brutal, you know. And also think of it from the judges' point of view, for this individual that was wrongfully accused.

I mean, I assume there was a jury. He has to make a decision based on the jury. I don't think the judge can override if it's like, you know, unanimous decision or whatever. So there's just so many moving pieces to the jury was getting paid off though. In Bruce Bryant's death. Right. Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's all fucked up. Right, but remember the guy, the district, the DA, that was on his case, was paying off witnesses, right? And you have a lot of nepotism going on. It's a small town.

And he's just trying to get paid. He's just trying to pin it on somebody so he can win the next election or keep his job or whatever. Yeah, that guy sucks. And then what was it like 20 years later? 20 years later, that was part of the reason why Bruce got out. He went to jail for 30 months. Okay, this guy gets less than three years and he has put innocent people in jail.

He's been paying off witnesses. That guy should fucking rot in prison. Right. But he just, like three years, that's nothing. Well, he's certainly going to be taking some shit after this Rogan podcast because it's bloody. Now a lot of people know about what he did. Yeah.

A lot of people know. So yeah, I don't know. I would advise everyone to listen to this one. These ones are always so frickin emotional. It's so good. I mean, it's just so cool to see, you know, that Rogan is making light of these sorts of conversations. And anyone who bitches about Joe Rogan, he's this or he's that,

they don't know Joe Rogan because you look at, you know, you played that clip of him crying at the beginning, Joe Rogan cares about this stuff. And he is, it's's just it was an emotional one This is a this is a roller coaster and it's really good to see Josh back on Rogan and I and I can't wait for the next one because as emotional as it is this stuff is so freaking important What do you think this goes if they extrapolate this out like all the C. Rogan's podcast keeps growing

They're gonna have Josh on he's gonna keep bringing on people that got off. Yeah, Rogan's podcast keeps growing. They're going to have Josh on. He's going to keep bringing on people that got off. Do you think slowly over time through the development, just with the expansion of the podcast, I've always felt like, or in the last few years, as elections come up, more Congress people will want to go on just because of the style of platform that there is more people that are gonna run for it, even president, right? I mean, this time around, obviously Biden's not going on, but how long before, you know, even Rogan's hosting,

one of the debates, for real. Like a three hour long form conversation. And getting Josh in front of people that can make real change in our system. I don't think he'll be hosting debates because they're run by conglomerates that are owned by everybody. Everyone else that really probably doesn't care

much about these, but these types of social problems, right? Every politician just wants to get a vote and they don't, doesn't seem, they don't seem to care really about the real issues. This is clearly one of those issues that gets, you know, pushed under the rug. But if enough people care about it, right, that's the point. Well, this is what Robyn is making. It's almost like it's the individual's responsibility though, That's a lot for us to take on as individuals. But, you know, as groups that are thinking alike, we can really push politicians in a direction

because at the end of the day, they want to do what is whatever it's to get our vote. Right. And yeah, so we can hit those points. Yeah, if we talk about it and we, it gets talked about on, you know, platforms like Rogan. Yeah, then that's gonna make a huge difference, absolutely, because politicians aren't gonna change their mind unless the people are in, are uprising, right?

Unless we're talking about it and, you know, like they said, calling the DAs, there was that DA in Oakland that they talked about several other people that they brought up the, what was it, Rich? Sorry, let me look at my notes here. Let's see the, sorry, just looking through my notes. There was a district attorney about the case about peer rushing, and I didn't look into it. But they were just talking about it, like look into this, send a letter to the DA,

Pamela Price, and as soon as you start doing that, it's absolutely gonna make a change. Absolutely, because if you don't, because you can flood it, you can flood their emails with these things that just break your heart. And that's what I hope is happening. Right, you know, I mean, Rogan's gonna get 12 million downloads plus from this.

Yes, baby. You know, we're talking about it. Hopefully, you know, Josh is gonna get to go on a lot of other podcasts, you know, whether he has his own or not, or even has time for it. I guess he doesn't need to, because he goes on Rogan, but God bless him. He's doing great work. Feel terrible for Bruce and he's out though. He's been out for four weeks and I feel, you know, it warms my heart that he is out and can now enjoy regular life. And the fact that he had a bullet as time at the comedy mothership, I can't really imagine

a better celebration. It's awesome. So, God bless him and thank you, Josh, for everything you do. Heck yeah. Alright, fellas. That was a good one. That's it for this week. We appreciate you.

As always, talk to you next week. Thank you, Todd. Peace out. This week, thank you Todd.