Kevin Harvick's Happy Hour presented by NASCAR on FOX - Carson Hocevar Interview

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Carson Hocevar delivers an emotional and unfiltered breakdown of his first NASCAR Cup Series win at Talladega Superspeedway, revealing behind-the-scenes details of his iconic celebration, post-race Chili’s experience, and championship ambitions in one of the most talked-about moments in NASCAR. Kevin Harvick hosts this episode of Kevin Harvick’s Happy Hour, sitting down with Hocevar to unpack his first win, what planning went into the viral celebration, the mindset required to block out noise, and whether his team has what it takes to contend for a NASCAR Cup Series championship this season. 0:00 - Intro 0:20 - Carson Hocevar Joins The Show! 0:34 - Winning First Cup Race At Talladega 4:12 - Iconic Celebration After Talladega Win 14:57 - Sharing Win With Family & Friends 17:23 - Relationship With Jeff Dickerson 21:51 - Celebrating At Chili’s 23:00 - Blocking Out The Noise 28:14 - Contending For A Championship Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Visit BetMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick. BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly. 19 plus to wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2,600 to speak to an advisor,

free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Can you contend for the championship by the? the end of the year. We might shock the world, but none of us would be shocked. You know, kind of confidence, maybe a little arrogance. No good race car driver is not arrogant. California's Kevin Hartman does it.

Well, we've all been talking about the possibility of your first win, and it happened last week. And I think that, you know, I think when I look back at Daytona, I'm like, man, that was almost an instant replay of the Daytona 500, but it worked out in your favor this time. What was it like those last, let's go back to the caution. What was it like during that caution period, knowing that you were in that same position and then those last couple laps, just the emotions and everything that ran through you?

Yeah, so I was super confident from whatever, for whatever reason, like Wednesday I was like, I just feel like I'm not owed at all, but like that it's just, we're gonna, you feel like you could pick winners. at Super Speedways because those Super Speedways, I feel like the stories kind of write themselves of who either is owed or just however they're going to attack the weekend. And I was like, you know what? Like I'm going to kind of attack this of like it's going to be us. Like, why wouldn't it be us? It's going to be us. So when we got up there at Talladega and that caution came out, it was me, the 43 and the 47, same as 500. And so I kind of already had it in my head that it was

going to be us. And when I got almost turned the same way at the 500, but I bounced off the 43 this time, not off his front nose, you could have bookmarked it in my mind. I was like, as long as I get through the gears and the thing stays running, we're going to come back across, you know, three laps later and win. Like, I was so confident. That's why I even told Tyler, I had him running probably all the way around the spotter stand, so he was a little out of breath, he said. but I told him to breathe because that was my, you know, non-cocky way of saying, Tyler, relax, we're going to win. It's fine. But, you know, that was kind of, that was, you know, I was super, super calm in that moment

of that caution just because I was, I just felt like it was all lining up perfectly. Have you always been, have you always been so confident in the things that you were doing? because to me, I think a great race car driver has to have a confidence that people sometimes take as arrogance. I mean, is that something that you learned or just the personality that you've had your whole life? I've just been super confident for sure. And then I've tried to not to communicate it in the non-arrogance way. Yeah. You know, it always came out arrogant, basically, or cocky.

But we've been tailoring that a lot, the last X amount of however long I've walked in a spire, basically, of trying to figure that part out. But, yeah, I've just had the confidence of, you know, the same confidence, whether I've won zero at the time or 100. To me, I just felt like we were good enough. or I was, I'm doing the things, I have the ability to win races was my thought. I was confident in that it just was dependent on the journey. There's so many other factors. NASCAR has done a good job since I was a kid especially watching that, you know, the fastest car doesn't win the race and it's getting less and less with how difficult it's

going to be. So it's super hard to win. But I just, I never got lost that we were good enough, whether it was a day that. that we were struggling running in the 20s and I'm trying to carry this thing as well as I could or a day where I'm struggling and the cars carrying me or whatever. And I knew we were gonna get there for sure

and never lost sight of that. Well, before I get into too much more about the rest of your history, I think it's probably one of the most celebrated celebrations that we've ever seen in our sport. And you talked after the race about visualizing this celebration and plan. Did it go as you planned? It went better than I thought.

Not initially, though. No, not initially. I was like, for a minute, you know, my legs were long and everything. So I knew I could, I was confident. So, no, it was, I got it over the leg brace, but I had it shot. I, you know, I'm turned like this, and you know what the cars look like and everything. So I pushed the clutch in. Well, when I dropped the clutch, because my foot's twisted like this, because I'm trying to like lean back and get around the legboard and get to that thing.

When I dropped the clutch, my foot got stuck in between, you know, the top of my foot got stuck in between the brake and the clutch. And so that's where it looked like I was stuck. Yeah. Because legitimately I was. So then I had to get back in. And the steering wheel was not on. Steering wheel was on that time. Okay.

Steering wheel was on then. So that's when I realized the only way to not get. my foot stuck was take the steering wall. So that's why I got in, kind of reset, got out, kept the steering wheel off, and then all of a sudden it started and fired. But also, too, I thought I thought I had to put the clutch, or I had to hit the gas to drop the clutch. I thought it would stall. And so when I did it, I don't think I hit the gas. Like, I think it just kind of chugged and got enough rolling. And then I just could move my left foot, tap the gas a split second. And then that's when it sped up and turned left. And then I shuffled around, got the steering wheel on. But I was like,

I got this thing rolling. This is going to be perfect. I'm, this wall is getting very close. And I was like, this is going to be so bad. We were worried at that point. But no, after that, it went better than I expected once I got rolling just because how many people stayed and how many people were cheering and hollering and everything. Because, You know, I don't get to, you know, hear it when I cross the line, whether there was a loud crowd or, you know, quiet or, you know, however they react. You know, I'm in the car. I got the engine going on. I got people yelling at radio.

I'm screaming and everything. So, like, I don't get to hear it. And especially, too, if I'm inside the car, I don't, I especially don't hear it. So that's why I wanted to, number one, get out. I'll be able to hear it. But, too, I remember when in 2014, when Junior won, and there's that in-car footage of him seeing the crowd. I was in the stands and, you know, I couldn't, I never yelled or screamed because I never thought he could see me. So there was no reason for me to start yelling.

You know, I was pumped and excited. Obviously, he won, but I never got to see it. And I felt like if they get to know that I could see them, especially if they're wearing like a shirt, that's why I was like pointing at stuff. I was pointing at people that had my shirt on or a hat because, you know, if I saw my shirt. my favorite driver, I would be wanting them to acknowledge that I have their shirt on. Like, I'm like, I'm here for you, you know, like, these other guys aren't here for you. They're just bandwagon in here. I'm, you know, I'm here. So, you know, that was what was super fun for me.

Do you think you were going to fly out of the car when you hit the fence? No, no, I was pretty locked in. I cut my hand, though, like on the roof rail. But I was, yeah, I was holding on that tight. Because I mean. You didn't mean to hit it that hard, though, didn't? I didn't mean to hit it that hard. But so, but I was wide open right when I hit it because I wanted to keep it rolling.

So that's why I like launch forward because, I mean, it was already hard for me to like get that thing rolling. And I was like, I cannot. No two pedal in here. I can't. Yeah, I can't keep this thing. If this thing shuts off, it's over. And so I was just like, it's perfect. If I just hold it wide open, it's just goes.

I might bounce off of it, but I'll spin the tires a little bit and then get it rolling. So it rubber-necked it a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. But I was just glad to, I'm not sure if I could do that part again how it happened. Because I wasn't even 100% lined up. It kind of like wedged perfectly of getting straight. It was cool. And I think that the fans, gosh, you know, I think that one part that a lot of top-tier drivers don't understand

is part of their job is the showmanship piece of it. And engaging with the people to sell yourself. not turn your back on them and cheer and they want to get excited. They've been sitting there for four hours and they just saw a great race. And now they got a first time winner and the first time winter is engaging. And I hear all the time, you know, people are like, man, since you quit or I hadn't been able to really figure out. They're lost. They don't know what to do.

And that's the same thing with Tony Stewart fans and a lot of Jeff Gordon fans. And there's a lot of fans that just, they don't know who to root for. And those moments like that are how those. fans find new drivers and I don't think that a lot of the drivers in the garage understand the showmanship piece of it yeah I mean I mean just for me like I you know I just I would you know it sucks for me to when I was a kid to watch people win and they wanted to act like it wasn't a big deal or it wasn't you know it was too cool for them or you know or they you know look like they don't even like NASCAR it's like dude come on like so for

me like I was super vocal even like when I started I was like you know they talk you know you obviously get contracts and everything and you have money and you know you're negotiating but like I hate all that like I'm just like if I'm worried about that like that like I was like I don't care like you know obviously we you know do the business side of it but I was just like if I don't enjoy this and it's not what I've dreamt of like I'm I'm out like it doesn't matter how much money of it available is there? Like, because, you know, I would just be breaking the heart of, you know, the six-year-old kid that fell in love with NASCAR for me. So I was super big on that. And that's kind of why I just, I do everything the way I do and was super vocal on, you know, there's times

where it's like, hey, you're a cup driver now. This is how you act. Or this is how you post online. Or this is what you do. You don't, you don't look this way or you got to dress this way. I'm like, yeah, but like, you know, then I'll just quit. I'll just, I'll just go find something. I'll go run dirt cars or payment cars or I'll go work somewhere else and do something. So that's what really was big for me. But yeah, I mean, I know too. Like I, you know, there was a time where I wasn't driving a NASCAR when Junior was done in 16. And I was the same way.

I was like, who do I watch? Who do I root for? I don't know. Like it just didn't feel the same. Like I was watching the same, but I didn't feel it. So I just know that is a big factor too. It's like, you know, I've been asked times like, what made you a junior fan? I was like, I don't know, just the way it felt when he got, you know, when he ran good, I felt good.

It wasn't anything he did. It was just, I just reacted to it. Like, it was just, I just picked him. I had, it was on accident. And I just fell in love with watching how he race and doing everything he did. and yeah I mean I think that's a way for a lot of fans they don't know why they pick the favorite driver a lot of times it's little things and yeah I mean it could be one move on a racetrack it could be one interaction at the track it could be one interaction off the track or away from the track it could be one celebration it could be one anything like you don't know and you build them one I had Fred Wagon also used to own action collectibles he used to tell me all the time when I first started, he said, you build the fans one at a time, and it's one autograph, one interaction, one comment, one moment on the racetrack, and that's

how you build a fan base. And I think that you seem to have a firm understanding of that, and the part that I love to hear you say is you're a hardcore fan, too. And those memories that you have as a kid are the things that you saw and you want that kid to have in the grandstands. And that's pretty awesome. Yeah, I mean, that's the base thing. I mean, I, I, um, I've never said this, but it's tough for me to watch when a little kid gets super excited in the garage. Because I'm trying to focus and everything. And there's a lot of times where I'll be walking. And if I see just how excited they are, like, I try really hard not to just lose it.

Because like I just, it just is crazy to me that, like, you know, that was how I was, you know, and I miss that. You know, I do. Like, I miss just being a little kid and running around the garage. And so, yeah, so, I mean, you know, I miss, you know, my parents don't get to go to a lot of races anymore. And, you know, my grandparents are getting older and everything. Like, I just missed that. So when I see that, like, you know, that's, you know, the coolest thing for me and just motivates me to try to grow the sport and be the best race car driver.

I could be on and off the track just because of that. Like, it just, it's mind-blowing to me that there's kids out there that can love it and appreciate it. You know, I got to race quarter fidgets and everything. So, like, I had this dream of being a race car driver. But, like, a lot of them, it's a pipe dream. but yet they're still just as excited or more excited than I was. They still have the dream. And, you know, some of us get to live it out.

Some of them get to become race fans. And it's, you know, the little kids are what make our sport grow around. Had a lot of emotion on the radio. I've never heard you that emotional. I was so. I've heard you, you know, mad emotional or happy, but never over-the-top emotional. And in your interview, you mention your parents. You mentioned your grandparents.

What's it been like after everything was over, talking to all of them and your friends and people and just you're making me think you have all these flashbacks of getting to the top level of motorsports and winning and being able to think and share those moments with those people that got you to that point? What's it been like this week? Being able to share some of those stories

with the people that helped get you. Yeah, it's been super fun. You know, it's funny. My dad was actually sick Sunday, so he didn't get to watch a lap, and my mom had to go wake him up. But just hearing his reaction on the phone and my mom, and my grandpa sent me a video, and, you know, he was watching and he was pumped. And he always says, grandma's, you know, sitting, you know, she would always sit next to him during the races. And he'd always have his arm bruised because she would always have his arm bruised because she was. she would always be hitting them anytime anybody got close to us.

You know, Grandma must have a really good bias because she always thought everybody was trying to hit me. When, you know, obviously I'm normally the one being aggressive, but they sent me a video and I got to enjoy it. And, you know, got to be on the phone with them. And I had a lot of my friends there, which was cool. At the race. Yeah, they were all at the race.

So there were a lot of them there. They were super big on Daytona and Tauidega. So we met during basically COVID playing eye racing, and it's grown to people I met here or there and everywhere. So I have like six different little groups and they all went to Talladega. That was fun that they all got to be there. But yeah, it's just been, it's just been super special. Like, you know, so many people reaching out, whether it's, you know, Dale Raver was the first one I ever got in a quarter midget with. And then Zach Dunson called me.

I mean, he was the one I got late model, and Johnny Benson was my mentor growing up when I was younger. And, you know, like Tim Claussen when I was getting ready to maybe go dirt racing, you know, with him and the Spire relationship and everything now. And, you know, and there's so many more others. But, like, those were, like, the core ones that I was like, man, it's super crazy that, like, you know, you can almost hear, you know, their reaction of it. You know, because they still just remember the, you know, they're just giving me the. the stories of when I was little, you know, racing. Yeah. Well, the other person that you mention all the time is Jeff Dickerson. And you talked about it a little bit in the beginning.

You know, Jeff's been around the sport for a long time, seeing and heard a lot of things, seeing good drivers, bad drivers. And I think that this process has been really interesting because you go from truck, straight to cup. And that, that, that isn't by chance. That is by somebody, realizing that you just don't need to waste any more time. You need to be in a cup car and go figure it out. I assume that that's Jeff. And what has that mentorship and relationship been like?

Because he's obviously got your ear on when you do something wrong. I'm sure he's the first one to come in and say it. Based upon me listening, I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but based upon me listening, he's the first one to come say it, but you listen, it seems, to him most of the time. What's that relationship like because it seems to be working well and obviously important to you personally. Yeah, like, so my dad, you know, he doesn't know a lot about racing.

So like I just laughed that Jeff's like my father figure that knows racing. Race dad. Yeah, he's my race dad, basically. And I think he would say the same thing reverse. And yeah, I mean, since this, like, I don't think we've ever really talked about how we're going to race. Like ever since Gateway when I drove their car the first time when I was subbed in, like it never really was. ever teaching me how to race. Like, you know, I felt like I was fast enough and I was going to figure that out on my own. And I think he felt the same, but it was the other stuff that you don't

know that you need to be learning to be a cup driver. It's the, you know, how to conversate in the shop and not sound arrogant when you're confident, how to, you know, get people to believe in me the same way I believe in myself, the, you know, how to react to things, how, when to know, you know, when to know a direction on who your audience is, right? Are you trying to talk to the future employees? Are you trying to talk to your current team? Are you trying to talk to the manufacturer? You know, who are you talking to in these moments? Yes, know, know your room. You know, are you going to walk in as a 20-year-old rookie? Or are you going to convince everybody in the room that you're a cup driver and that you belong in the car?

So, you know, there's times where I've, you know, definitely, like, lost the room at times, especially. You know, but this year especially, you know, with how, you know, I felt like we really clicked on a lot of different things of me figuring out, okay, that's wrong. No, you're right. Basically just, Jeff, you were right. Yep, okay. Let me go with this approach. Let me just try and follow your kind of steps here and, you know, kind of been a good leader and leadership and how to everything. And everything's just kind of fallen into place this year, especially.

But, yeah, I mean, we talk more about dirt racing and life and little things than we'd ever do about Cupcar, but it all still relates to it. You know, it all still comes back to it. You know, and that's what's most fun and everything is just he knows how much that racing means to me and how much it means to him So he's just like we can race everything. We're gonna do it and You know, he just you know he told me the basically my first year was just kind of if you just you know Trust him. We're gonna do everything we ever want to do and you know now we're now we want to cup race together We're gonna we run a bunch of trucks. We have dirt late models payment late models you know at

You know, a bunch more dreams we want to do, but like, you know, he's done everything we said we're going to do. And that's what I think was most excited is just, you know, we always kept saying, you know, we're going to do this. You know, every time we're close to winning or as close, we're just, oh, man, we're going to do this. But like, we generally believed it. We just don't have to say it anymore. Yeah. Well, I think the hard part, I mean, the circle of life is the hardest thing for a cup driver to balance, right? Like it's because you've got you've got money, you've got problems, you've got race cars,

you've got all these different things and keeping all that in check is definitely the hardest thing about being a cup driver. And, you know, we talk about Jeff. I've known Luke a long time. He doesn't get excited a lot, but he was pretty excited last week about everything. And I think the process of everything that Spire has gone through is great, but your team in particular has been pretty fun to watch. take them all to chilies. Yeah. Did they keep the chilies open for you? Yeah, they did. They kept it open. It was in North Carolina. Like I was at 36, the Mooresville location.

They kept it open. That's the Spire Hangout. Yeah, that's Spire Hangout. So they kept it open. You know, we walk in and Luke's manhandling this thing because, you know, it's 150-something pounds or, and he's rolling in it and, you know, everybody in the company's there, you know, hooting and hollering. you know i've never seen like i just remember the the mental shot i have is i round to victory lane and he jumps out and he's like leaning out and he has the biggest smile i've ever seen you know just kind of just doing this the whole time and and like that's the mental shot that kind of set the tone for victory lane because that was the first time i got to really see anybody i'd mean i drove tyler there but like group everybody gets excited and everything and so that

I was the first person I saw was Luke entering Victory Lane. And it just kind of set the tone how excited everybody was. Because that's the first time I was seeing him. Yeah. Well, you know, I think as you go through time and you go through the years and you go through everything that you've gone through, the hardest part to navigate is all the controversy. And you've got this great way of blocking it all out. You know, when you have a run in with somebody, you say, well, you know,

I was trying hard and ran into them. And I guess if they don't like it, then it is what it is. And we'll go to the next one. Is that how you were brought up? Is that how you learned how to race? Because it's a great quality to have in this sport. Blocking everybody else out is something that just annoys the crap out of them from the day one. I lived it.

You know, if you can, if you can rattle them and they can't rattle you, it's over. it's, I mean, you can't even put a value on it because it's just something that just totally frustrates them. But, you know, I think for the learning process and all the things that you have to go through to be good at racing in cup, you have to play the politics of it and all the things that go with that. Is that enjoyable to you to play the mind game and the political game? Because you do it well. I don't even know if you know it. Yeah, no. No, it's, we're not bad at it. No, but they, I've just, I mean, I've been a fan of the sport ever since I was a kid. I kind of knew what race car driver I wanted to be, and I kind of just saw flaws in the game of, man, like, why is everybody letting everybody go?

Like, you know, even like when I was late mall racing, everybody, you know, you'd have a 250-lap race. You knew everybody was just going to let everybody go in the first 100 and take care of each other, even back then. And I was like, man, well, if everybody's just letting everybody go, I'm going to be the one guy to do. I'm going to pass them all. This is going to be way easy. It's way easier at the front. You know, at the start of the race, I was like, perfect. And so I'm always just to have thought about flaws in the game.

And I mean, I ran into a lot of things, like models for sure. But like I never, you know, I just never could feel guilty enough per se. Because like I would know everybody, like everybody should be trying to win. Like everybody knows when, you know, doesn't know when their last race is or what the next race could bring or what that opportunity could have bring, especially when you were, you know, when I was trying to like make it, you know, you felt like every race was, you know, all eyes were on you. Like everybody, you know, you think you're the center of the world and if you win this race, you know, somebody's going to call and hire you. You know, that's how you feel when you're younger. And I was just, you know, you know, I just kind of always had that kind of feeling. And you just don't lose it.

You know, you know how to tailor it and massage it, you know, know when, when and where to bring it up and everything and where to play the politic games at times and everything. But the biggest thing was I was just, I never was going to let anybody rattle me to where, you know, I want to win the race as if it's my last, no matter what race it is. So, you know, why would I care? If it's all done, why would I let this guy affect me? Like, I'd want no what ifs at the end of it. You know, like, if this was my last race tomorrow, I want to wake up the next day and know I did everything in my power and nobody else affected me from outside.

I just went as fast as I could and as hard as I could. And if I didn't win, it was because I was not good enough, and I can live with that. But I can't live with letting anything. with letting anybody else affect me. Because then it's just a big what if and I'll just live with that. I can't live with that.

So you've won a race. What are the goals? What are the goals for the 77 team? I know you're gonna say, well, win more, and then go. So what are the weaknesses of your team? What do you need to get better at right now? I feel like-

Which tracks, like package? Probably, Martin Zills was really difficult. Like that's circled. I wanna get better at the road courses for sure on my end. But realistically, it's just getting all the details right. We've thrown away, I mean, we're 8th and points, but like there's a world where we're fourth. You know, just because I feel like we've thrown away a lot of points. You know, Kansas, we had some, you know, pit road issues.

I made a mistake on a restart, but like there's things we could do with our car. Like Bristol, I thought we could have been better. Phoenix, we struggled on the strategy side and ran out of tires and had to put scuffs on at the end. You go from seventh, you know, solid day to that. And, you know, so there's a way. world where we were getting to the green-white checkered and you know strategy how it worked out or a mistake or something that we can kind of control as a whole team you know took us you know five 10 15 points out of the game so when we're sitting there as a company saying we want to

win a championship or get there you know and however long it takes you can't throw away points especially from where we're at if we're going to not be a dominant car every given week yet we have to capitalize on every point. That's where we can get better. Can you contend for the championship by the end of the year? I mean, it's all good tracks in the chase. If we could stay, if we can stay where we're at or get higher in points,

I'm not going to say it's realistic, but I don't think any of us would be shocked. It would be an eternal kind of confidence, maybe a little arrogance of us being allowed. No good race car driver is not arrogant. Yeah, I've always thought that at least. But yeah, I was like, you know, all of us, you know, Jeff said it perfectly that, you know, when we got done at Gateway, you know, he came up to me and, you know, kind of shocked. You know, everybody was that we ran like 15th.

Then we broke the brake rotor. And, you know, he kind of came up to me. And, you know, I looked at him and was like, yeah, man, yeah, I was going to do that. And I thought I was going to keep going. Dang. Like, I was, like, disappointed that it broke. Not disappointed that I didn't get to finish race. I was like, yeah, we're going to get to, like, the top 10, I thought, and have a good day.

And, you know, that was kind of just, but, like, that was real. Like, I legitimately was like, I don't know why we couldn't. I couldn't do this, you know, and then my third cup race were running fifth at Bristol. And, you know, that's just kind of where we're at. So, like, when we were sitting there, when they got rid of the roll, that was where it kind of clicked for us of like, okay, I think we could do this. Like, you know, not win the championship

and say we're gonna do it, but if other people have issues and we can keep rolling how we are and keep getting better and the progression keeps, you know, I don't, we might shock the world, but none of us would be shocked. Yeah. So the race fans are obviously super intrigued

and after last week, I mean, it's gonna blow through the roof. you know, as you go through the next little bit of a run right here, you know, through the next several races. What is the main focus from your side? Because you're into your brand and understand how this sponsorship thing works. If there's one thing that people don't know about you, what should they know? As far as, they know who you are as a race car driver. For instance, what do you do for fun outside of racing?

I'll start you there and then you give me one more. So my best friend, he runs, he's a part of a YouTube channel, and it's called Whistland Diesel, and they wreck a bunch of cars. And so lately, I would, my normal answer would say, I have nothing. I don't do anything. I play eye racing with my buddies, and that's about it. That's crap, though. There's something that you do.

So, but I try to drive to Nashville almost every week I can, and we buy cheap cars, or we find stuff to do, and we wreck them and destroy them. and race them around like Friday before Talladega. I was supposed to race the Dirt Lake Mall race and it got canceled and I texted him right away. I was like, I'm heading to the property. I'll see you. We bought $500 cars and we raced them and he's got a big cliff and we put a big rock on it, wash it run down a hill and jump off and everything.

And so I'm building a property. I just want to be outside all day and drive cars. I just, I like racing. That's like, that's what I do. Like if I can't race, I'm going to play eye racing. So I'm building a huge property. I want to build dirt tracks and literally, you know, I don't care who comes, shows up.

I just, I just want them to show up and we can all drive. Do you work on the cars? Hands on, no. No, not a hands-on guy. No, I just, I never, I never can understand it. I'm such a visual learner on a lot of things. And, you know, I don't understand data at all. Like, that's why I don't really-

Not these cars, I'm talking about the junkers. Oh, no, I don't know how to do. I'm gonna, no, so the main reason I don't do that. is I don't want to have to get like a shot or cut my hand. They'll kill me. I get away with a lot of stuff that I probably shouldn't know like, you know, wrecking the hell out of these cars and everything. And so I'm not touching them. You know, like the first time I cut my hand or hurt myself, I would hurt myself working on them, not driving them. I would hurt myself working on them. So I just know better. So you're telling me that you're kind of clumsy and a little bit of accident prone?

Oh, yes. Okay. Well, there you go. I was uncoordinated. He's clumsy and accident prone. That was it. Yeah. Well, congratulations.

I know that the whole NASCAR world is intrigued and thought that this was coming. And keep doing what you're doing. Congratulations. No. Thank you, Kevin. Appreciate it. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair.

Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if. Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit Wayfair.ca. Wayfair, every style, every home.