Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Coach Kelly" (w/ Kelly Clarkson)

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

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Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Couple housekeeping notes. One, Las Culturistas. One. Las Culturistas calling. A couple housekeeping notes. One, Lost culture is going to be twice a week From this week to the end of the year Get into it Double stuff Double stuffed

It's we're doing Culture catchups once a week Just me and the girl We're doing guests once a week But just for the end of the year We're just trying this out And also we owe eye a heart Contractually

See the thing about this is a contractual obligation But it's also fun You know what I mean And when those two things can both be true You're really cooking You're cooking You're winning Some contracts, not so fun.

Take it from me. Not so fun. We have two ex-NBC legends in the house ready to spill all the tea. The second thing I want to say is Bowen Yang has completed his first week as Mary and O'Mary. Yes. And I have seen it twice now. You're crazy for that. I know.

And the thing is, I am also richer in life and experience for that because you are so good in it. And it's obviously no surprise. Was there a doubt? Was there a doubt? There was no doubt. There might have been a day. Shut up. And we need to get you in there.

Not anybody else. Because the thing about Bowen is he's so amazing in the room. And like now people have a chance to go see you in the room. And that's so exciting. And that is the way I say room, by the way. Rim. That's not a Long Island. That feels like a...

Was it more room than rum? Because usually I sometimes will say in my room. Roomba. Roomba. How do Texans say roof? It's on the roof. Oh, see, it's so interesting. What do you say?

roof roof the roof is on fire the roof is on fire so now the third thing we're going to do is we're going to we're going to address the guest that's here so if if you're sitting at home being like why the fuck aren't they talking to kelly clarkson that's what happens right now so if you know you know this guest is great laura in the podcast she's the winningest judge on the voice which she's returning to yes yes clap clap uh it begins tonight as of this recording Mysteriously performing at stage coach and sort of on the precipice of what seems to be a new era. Don't worry, everyone. I'm on the case.

You have the right person asking the questions today. Our guest is a Grammy winning, Emmy winning, total just joy to be around. And we're so happy that she's here again. Please welcome. Kelly Clarkson! And show the mug. And I'm celebrating with the Mariah mug. Yes.

Because we were talking about Myel and all the... all the stuff last Mariah, last episode, All Mariah. And you never did cover it on the show, my all. You know, okay. I'm gonna be the only person to have qualms about your Kaliyokis. No, and I'm not calling anyone out. And it's very hard to get her songs cleared. Absolutely. Yes. Yes.

So there were overtures made. There were, there have been many overtures made of many songs. And people will be like, why does it she come? Like, I'm a huge fan, but like, not all songs can you get cleared. A hundred percent. Yes. Because people would be like, why don't you cover this? is why don't you come over the start?

I'm like, I can't get everybody to clear all their stuff, you know? Right. Which is another peak behind the curtain of this business. Yeah, which is fine. Right. But do the Kelioki stay on for one year? Is that what the typical?

Forever. Really? I'm just kidding. I don't mean, I guess it's like on, what do you mean like online? So I'm just, I'm only coming out at this from the total left angle, which is on SNL, if you had any music, it could live online for just one year only from air.

And then after that, it was wiped across. the board. Oh, I don't know if I read the fine print. I don't know if I... Me neither. You do the same. Anybody can still my... I'm like, this one's fine, this one.

It's like, I don't know if I know that. But I know that it... Yeah, they even... We even did a deal too where it's on, like, my radio channel, too. Like, we have some of them on air on there. I don't know if it's only allowed to live a certain place. But, I mean, I feel like, look, I tell my children, and once it's on the internet, it's on there forever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good thing for them to learn now. Yeah. That's like a gen alpha lesson. that they know we don't we didn't know oh man aren't you just so happy like i mean y'all are a lot younger than me but i just mean i'm every time i run into someone my age year older i'm like i could not feel more blessed to have not been young in the social media era yeah yeah it's tough because you know it's a learning curve for everyone and to be of a certain age learning that would

have been difficult how are you with your kids and the social media they're not allowed they don't have any yeah they're still young yeah and also i mean there's we i have conversations about it. I mean, it's not a democracy. It's just a no. But I do hear them and I do, we do like have things that I'll, we just have pretty healthy talks about it because it's, it's also another layer of like they're my kid. And I'm in the public eye. So it's like people are, you're not ready. No, you're not ready for this. I was like you have, like you see mommy being cheered all the time. Like you know what I'm saying? Like there's a whole other side of it that's super not great. You know, and I just don't want them to, and people are addicted.

People are addicted. Yeah. I think I've mentioned this on the show before. I've resorted to a timed lockbox that fits my phone. And that's the only way I can sit through a movie in my own home. Is that not insane? I cannot relate. I am so good at not being on my phone, except if it's for my lover, chat GPT.

Okay. Like, go on, Kelly, no, no, because I fell into it too. I'm now, I unfortunately had it. I don't think I use it how everybody uses it. Okay, well, how do you use it? That made it sound dirty. I haven't tried that yet. It actually has limits.

Sometimes it's like, I won't tell you that. Oh, I haven't ever done that yet, but I'm going to do it for fun. I was seeing how far I could push it. No, I've never done that. No, I'm never done that. No, on a designer level, I was having a hard time because I couldn't be somewhere. I was in Vegas doing stuff and I couldn't be somewhere when they were saying, what did you like here?

And I was like trying to describe it. I drew. Usually I draw like extensive plants. Like literally I get into it. There's a key. There it's colored, coordinated. It's like, but it takes me so long. Yeah.

And now I'm like, just send me a picture of the hill. Yeah. And then I, they show me the picture. And then I put exactly what I want. It's a designer's dream. Okay. Because you, yeah, I'm obsessed with it. So you're, wait, you're designing the hill for?

I designed, like I got this house and it had, it just needed. Just to some visual interest. Well, it needed like, Paz, it needed like, you couldn't get to the little orchard that I bought this house. Like, you couldn't get to parts of it. And it was like, okay, I want. And I did it. I did a video and everything, but it's much easier to just show someone like, this is exactly what I want. And you go through and you like fine tune it.

And I, my music director, Jason showed me. And I have been obsessed since this summer. So is that your Montana place? It's a, that is, I have a place in Santa Barbara. Don't, I'm going to sound so. Look, I've worked hard. It's probably. You have heard you, Clarkson.

I worked hard. No. No, I have a little, I've always wanted a little cottage by the sea. It's by no means a little cottage. But it's cute. It's cute. It's humble in the way. It is cute.

It's presented. Chat Chhabiti, can you make this more humble? I always like, no, I look, I was like, I'm coming up on 25 years in the industry. And I was like, I always wanted a place in the mountains. And I thought, I'm going to work so hard. I grew up in a shack. I was like, what I want is I want a ranch one day. And I want a little place by the ocean.

And I got a slightly bigger. place by the ocean that I wanted. But it's cute and it's not too big and I have my ranch. So I'm like 25 years later it happens. Yeah. You've Earth and water. You've mountain. I am almost all of Captain Planet.

I'm Earth where I got hearts. You've always had heart. And we appreciate that. No, I do. I love I just, yeah, I love designing too. I just love like, so that's really helpful. Have you always like that? Yes. Yeah. Because my mother were so poor. I would come home And, you know, and it would be, you know, we lived in either a tiny apartment or a tiny little shack in the wood.

Like, it was always like some tiny place, which is fine. You can, by the way, you can take pride in wherever you live and it can look amazing. And my mother would have the furniture, like if she'd have the couch just on a different wall, she'd have the TV. She would just move furniture to feel like it was new. Yes. But that's a way to do it. Yeah. And she would take my pictures and she'd cut me out and she'd put me in the mountains.

She'd write me. No. She was the original chat. She was literally the original chat, GPT. But she would make it. And I actually loved and she'd put, you know, plants. And she'd change the furniture where it looked like nice and kind of fresh and new. And although it was really small, we always had our, you know, tiny little lawn mode that you could literally use a weed eater and not a mower.

But like, because it was so small. But like, I think it's like, it really taught me to take pride in whatever you're, whatever you live to take pride in it. Amazing. Was she a vision boarder? Are you a vision boarder? Oh my god. My mom was a teacher. So she had all those like boards like that she was very creative.

They got to make that shit themselves. I really, you don't really realize that until you're older and you have friends that are teacher. Well, my dad was a teacher. So I kind of understood. But he was a gym teacher. So he wasn't crafting the stuff. Yeah.

I didn't realize until people started posting on Instagram like, yep, I'm here a week early getting all my stuff together like cutting out the name tags. But like it's really you have to have a. arts and crafts. All out. Yeah. She was really great teacher. She was a phenomenal teacher.

But also, like your dad, gym coach, that's like, I mean, I remember my gym coach is like, whatever sport I was playing, those are also like therapists. Those people, the coaches take on a lot. It's not, it's like emotional, social interact. It's like so much you're learning in that as well. That's a different kind of hard. You did sports, right? Love every, all of them.

Yeah. Sports ball. Sports ball. I love playing volleyball. My daughter started playing volleyball. season and I was like, I'm going to be that mom at the game. The game's coming up. The first game's coming up. I'm going to be cool. Yeah, but you know what?

They all say that. No, I'm going to be so cool. You're going to be involved. I think you're too spirited. I am very spirited. I just am very excited. Yes. So you know what? You're going to end up being, you're going to end up being coach Kelly. No, I'm not that Texas parent. I'm not like everyone deserves a ribbon. Come on. I'm not like that. We've seen you on the voice coming for throats. Yeah. I'm like, here's a.

thing, I don't mind losing and I teach my kids you got to learn how to lose because that is, even in board games they're like, they get so mad that I, and I'm like, I'm not going to let you win. What kind of loser wants to win when they really didn't win? Like, what? You know, I was like, come on. So they have to, you have to learn to lose. I'm not okay with that.

You have to, but I want to win. What kind of loser shows up and is like, I'm totally cool if I fail. Yeah. It's boring. I would love third place. They live stakesless lives. Who wakes up going, can't wait to have the bronze. Like, you know, no one. No one. Yeah. The dissipation trophies.

Yeah. But I'm not pushy action. I'm just like, I do actually want them to have fun. Yeah. Because I had so much fun. Even in the bus rides, brating each other's hair for the game. Like, you know, listen to music. Music is really good.

Like, bus culture. I love. I miss bus culture. Like the, I remember that was the first time I ever heard like Bohemian Rhapsody. The first time for a lot of things in my world. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was like, what's happening there? Yeah.

What are you talking about? Oh, our bus rides? My bus route? My kids will need. Never ride a school bus. No. Just too much going on. There is way too much that I found out on a school bus.

Yeah. You mean found out. Found out. Found out. Found out Saul. Yeah. Wait. There's a lot of crazy things happening on a southern school bus.

Texas. Texas. And I was the first one to get picked up and the last one to be dropped off. I lived down the boonies. So then were you friends with the drivers? Yeah. It was like, well, it was like I was kind of scared of him. He was a very big, like, tall dude.

Like he was a very, yeah, I was like, yeah. So then. I can't even remember his name, but I can see his face. Yeah. I had a bus driver named Deb, and I feel like that's what bus drivers are named. That's a great name. So it's a very easy one to remember. Deb is a bus driver.

Deb is a bus driver. Because Deb is a bus driver. Mine was, I think he was nice. He was just very quiet. Sure. Yeah. But Deb is a bus driver name, and that's a rule of culture. That's a culture number four.

Deb is a bus driver name. Now, my only bus driver memory formative was, I was on the JVD. tennis team in a high school my freshman year and we went to Boulder from Denver to Boulder and then one of the kids Alex Kessel I think got goaded into mooning

the cars driving next to the bus. Moon culture was crazy moon culture. Everybody mooned but do people moon now? I don't think people don't think people don't anymore. I'm going to start doing it. It feels very Neanderthal now but like we all did it. We all did a bit. So now when you moon people you've harassed

them. You've harassed them. Well no. Just give me to It's a butt. It's funny. It's a butt. It's funny. So then he mooned, but then the bus made a turn and guess what? inertia. And then he slammed his ass into the window, cracked it.

It was one of the best moments of high school. Powerful. Powerful ass moment. Yeah. Powerful ass moment. Yeah. I think out of the three of us, I have the least powerful ass. My ass could never dent a window.

We have Greek heritage. Let me tell you what. And I also, boy, living in New York, the stairs in these places. You get your ass back quick. I just don't even need to go to the gym. I just walk up and down. Yeah, up and down. And you're good.

When I was living in L.A. for those five years, I was like, where did it go? Like my butt went away. That's not true. You've always had a butt. He can tell I am missing no meals. Come down fucking my automobile. Let him eat it with his grill. He kept telling me to chill.

And that is cultural number. Number zero. Number zero, actually. It doesn't even make the list. We can't be quoting. No, we can't. But how are you feeling since everything ceasing? Great.

I mean, you know, I think it was a really hard thing to do because I do love the people. But I will say it was very easy because it was for my kids mainly. And so it's been pretty rad, man. I've never lived here. You will understand too, like being so hardcore with the schedule, right? It's all. And your life kind of, even if you're like, oh, but you only work these hours. I'm like, yeah, that's when I'm refueling.

And then for me, refueling was being a mom. Like there was no refuel. It was like working and then there was no like off time. So it really did like, we just had an amazing time to live here. That's what I was going to say. To live in New York and actually get to experience it not in a hurry. Like I was always in a hurry on a schedule. I just like take my kids.

kids to school. I walk. I walk. I get coffee. I walk. I get coffee. It's beautiful. It's so great. New York. But you're going to be in L.A. for the voice. I'm going back and forth. So that'll be seven weeks of Bicostal fun. By coastal fun. Yeah. But you know it could be. No, it can be. You know why? Because I have a lot of

crocheting to do. I've promised blankets to a lot of people. And I crochet. So I get on the flight and they all see me and they're like, oh my God, you're making another blade. I've done it so much to where I've run into people going, Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. So it is a lot of like, I try and take it as like mom time. Like it's like my downtime.

Yes. Yeah. But it's going to be like is the voice? Is it actually you, because I watch it sometimes and I'm like thinking about the production schedule in my head and I'm like, they could backlog a lot of this. Well, it depends on the season. So some seasons we have done all in, I think the last one with John and I don't know. I think we did like shoot most of it.

I feel like that was a season we did that. But it depends on the season. So this season, they're back to the six weeks of lives. So that's live. That's like, yep, which I love. Because you have to be done by a certain time. Everybody's like, oh, live makes me nervous. I'm like, what?

That means you know exactly what your schedule will be. Live rocks. Because they can't go longer. They go longer. We're trying to make the Culture Awards live, but he's, he, he, it's going to take some convincing for him. Why? Live is a different energy.

Live is a different energy. And also, I like the, I like the opportunity. to get a lot of stuff and then be able to cut it into something that's really good. Why can't you do both? You could make some stuff to fit it in and then you can do live around that.

You know what? That's actually true. That's true and I just think because the culture words are such a thing where everyone sees like the red carpet picks online and then they wait two weeks until they see the actual show. It's like we can really make it a moment if it's like live and then the next day or something.

I mean it'll be a crazy... But you could always film some stuff to make it cool and then you have a backup. You know if things go. wrong because they do. I've hosted live. Stahl? Oh, great. Cool. I mean, the earpiece thing is something. You're okay with that? I hate it.

Okay, of course you do. But you have to have it in certain circumstances. I wouldn't let them do that. They talk to me about in the beginning with the talk show and I was like, unless you want me going, like, open mouth, like processing. I am way too. That's me for sure. And sleeping. by the way. Super attractive. It's either that or like smiling too big to try to cover it. Like you're listening?

Oh man. It is. Yeah. And I can't focus. I'm too ADHD for that. Yeah. Right. I can't do that.

Do you feel like suddenly there is because I also, I feel like now all of a sudden everyone is talking about ADHD. Everyone has it. Our entire like generation and community is talking about. It's a lot of our environment, what we eat. Absolutely. I think a lot of it's been affected, you know, with that too. But yes, I am.

often like my my nanny will be like oh man your son and I'm like she'll say something I'm like I did that yesterday like I'm like and she's like oh no no I know where he gets it from completely aware I think everyone has it it's like I don't think everyone because my my daughter doesn't but like my but my son and I are very yeah just very hyper focused on you know and then and then can be super aloof sometimes yeah squirrel squirrel yeah yeah no it's yeah but I do think it's I don't know. I don't know. Because it is like a, even like with thyroid. Everybody's got like hypothyroidism or hyperthyroid. It's ever been thyroid. I feel like there's like these hot topics that everybody it's like now I think or whatever. And it's like, well, it might be

like environmental and what we're eating. Yeah. And also the screens and everything. I do feel like. Not enough sleep. Our society goes, goes, goes. Yeah. I mean, it was it got to a point for me where I It was just like, why do I always need to be doing or consuming something? That's where it showed up for me is I was like, why do I always need to be, like, I always need like a beverage with me. Or just something to constantly occupy my mind. There is no sitting and just laying. Well, literally, and you're going to feel very vindicated. One of the telltale signs, and everyone's going to understand that.

So everyone listen. Everyone listen. Me, I had a years long obsession with, watch it on 1.5 speech. Watch it on two times. Listen to it on two times speed. Oh, like the like speeding up the podcast. Speeding up the podcast or the video. Or the video that you're watching at 1.5 or 2.0.

Because I'm like, I'm a busy guy. I got to eat my meal and I got to go. I'm actually so upset that no one told me about this. And I was hosting a freaking talk show for seven years. And no one could have on that little secret. Do you know much time? You know the documentary you have to watch? Could do it half the time.

Are you shitting me? No, we're not shitting you. we're actually the only people who have been real with you in years. We are the only people you can trust. It would have only exacerbated your ADHD because that's what it does. She's like, but I'm going to save time.

Is this like when people watch football and it's like there's three games going on? I can't. My sister does that shit. And I'm like, what is happening? Yeah. But they love it. They love it.

Yesterday's Tony mocked at O'Mary. Just our resident straight guy. We love him. Three games on at the same time yesterday. No, that's my sister. And I was like, you have to do that on your iPad. This TV will have one on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just one.

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Listen to Here's the Thing on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's your show of the moment? What's your current? What are you watching and doing? Okay, so it's NFL season. Yeah, yeah. So it's really just football.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm in two leagues, fantasy football leagues as well. This is a big culture. I'm a very, I'm very, and I had a very sad week last week. You did? What happened to you?

Well, my team shit the bed. Who's your team? Do you want to say? Well, I have two different teams. So I have players on it. But honestly, it was kind of, okay, look. I'm gonna own this. And I don't, whatever, controversial or not.

I went to the, I always go to the opening game where the Giants and the Cowboys, like the Cowboys come and they play. I'm usually at that game. Yeah. The Giants and the Cowboys when they play her. And I always get a sweet. That's where I'm like, oh no, we're spending the money. We're doing it. We're excited.

We're here. I have never. I've done that for several years now. I have never heard a crowd so loud. Our quarterback could not even, the players could not hear the calls. They couldn't. they could the crowd was so loud which is a clever strategy I'm not mad at it

oh okay you think it was strategy I for sure think they were doing it on but yes and they couldn't hear like it was the worst game for Cowboys fans but but I mean kudos to the Giants fan because that was pretty clever they're playing D so loud I have literally been to this stadium

several times and I've we were all like you could feel it in your body they couldn't hear yeah it was crazy But that was, but it was kind of fun. Look, I don't, I'm not mad at competitive. No, no, no, no. And I'm not mad at fans being passionate. You play the terrain.

That's what I always say, like, Survivor's coming back this week. And I'm like, I don't like all the twists that they do and stuff like that. But I'm like, you have to play the terrain. You're a survivor kid. Oh, I love Survivor. My sister loves that, too. I think you would like it. You would like it.

I love naked and afraid. Naked and Afraid. I haven't seen that in forever, but I just think it's wild at what people will choose is their one thing. Like they're one, like, like, Is there one tool or something? Oh, because they get to bring like, I haven't seen it a ton, but I've seen it enough to know where they get like, I think one thing and I'm like, and that is what you chose.

Cool. Okay. Okay. A wrench. Yeah, not a life straw, like to get some fresh water. A life straw. I'm just like not like fire or something sharp to make cut wood. Like I'm just, these people, I'm just like, you would die.

If these camera couldn't hear. You would be dead. If you were actually naked, we'd be. afraid for you. You would not make it. Yeah. I feel like back on Survivor, I don't know if they still do this, but you were allowed to also bring one luxury item. Oh. And some girl. I'd be waiting for you back at the resort. You would like to have it on at camp. Like you can have it. Got, got, got it. Like I remember like years and years and years ago like they would announce like and this is what they brought as their luxury item. And I like said something about them. Now they don't really do it anymore. But I knew one girl who was going to apply for the show and she goes, I have a total hack for what I would bring. And I was like, what? She goes, a water purifier. And I was like, huh? She goes, you just go to the ocean, put the water in the water purifier, and then you can drink it.

I was like, oh, you're perfect for reality TV. What? You need to go on the show. She thinks it's like a desalent. I don't think you can do that with ocean water. You may not. You literally can. I know.

It will not. But I do think she's perfect for reality television. Who got to break, like, burst that bubble. Like, and that would have been. I don't think they made it on the show. Her name was Megan. I don't think she got on. That would have been great.

But she is an all-star that they don't know they haven't cast it. Right. Oh, man. Like, just telling the tribe while everyone's setting up. And guys, don't worry, I'm getting buckets of water from the ocean. I brought a water purifier. Can you imagine? I lived it in terms of having the conversation with her.

That would be a chicken of the sea moment. The chicken of the sea. That would have been a chicken of the sea moment. That's your Texas sister, Jessica Simpson, making her mark on the conversation. making her mark on the culture. That made me so happy. I laughed so hard. That gave me so much joy.

Bringing joy. Talk about reality TV. meant to be on reality TV. Oh, Jessica Simpson. Oh, hilarious. The traitors last night. My sister's obsessed with that one. See, don't you watch the traders?

Here's the thing. I don't watch a lot, and especially since not having this show. Exactly. You don't have to. You don't have to say you watch. No, it's not even they say. I would genuinely try and watch everything possible. And if it wasn't possible, my manager.

be like, we watch this because I can't possibly watch my things and we've got a whole more thing doing it. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, you've got it. So I, no, I did a lot. So now I'm just kind of like, I'm reading. I didn't have time to read before. So I'm reading. What's you reading?

A brief history of humankind. I didn't know, okay, I watched this doc and it was on AI and it was really interesting, scary and cool. Yeah. And this guy was on there and I love how he talked. And they said he had written a book or whatever. And turns out it's like a huge book that I have. I didn't know about it.

But it's a brief history of humankind. It's interesting so far. I'm not even, I have to read some of it. Walk away. Yeah, that's how I know. Because in order for me to like retain because there's a lot. But it's so good.

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Reading is fundamental. Well, fundamental. But it is literally. Reading rainbow. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Kellyoki's done. By the way, I mean, I mean, you're, I think you're going to get sick of but as your last Kellyoki, was that intentional where you're like, I'm going to be hearing about this for the rest of my life? Ended at your, you ended up doing that. Everybody was asking for it. And as soon as they started asking,

I was like, you know what? I was like, and I love, we are huge K-pop even hundreds in our household. Like we love, like, and even when my kids leave the room, I still watch it. Our friend, Jokin booster is, him it. He's a saja boy. He's one of the boys.

I love it. I eat it up. I love it. And so I was excited to do it. And, you know, when you're singing along to something. Yeah. And then you're singing it. It's very different.

And we, a little known fact, we actually, I knew I was going to have it be the last Kelioki because I was like, I don't think you can kind of go, but it's like an Oscar win. It was like a huge song, right? And I was like, let's just make it the last. So I knew whenever I'd covered the other one, I covered another one from the soundtrack too. But they were like, oh, she didn't do gold. And I'm like, just way. Yeah.

But I came in and I was sick. and we had been going back and forth and I'd done it and I tried to do cold and sick I was like I can do it I can pull it out No no I couldn't Just because there's so much like change of the There's so much register change My lows were incredible because I was sick

But I was like it just was like That song You don't realize it goes so low It goes so low But in the high part It's like it's not that it's too high In your chest voice and in certain vowels It's like trying to not sound

like a dying cat at that decibel with your chest voice I had to my poor children I sang that song in the shower for at least a couple weeks like trying to find where to place it because I was trying to place it

to where it was like I could do it because I'm not AI and it's a really weird song to sing when you're human and just for placement but it was like a really fun challenge and I loved that it was I mean I never want to do it again But it was a fun challenge.

I think at this point in my career, you know, we sing so many songs. And they're not generally challenges. They're just fun. And it's like working it out. It's like fun. Sure. But nothing had been like that challenging. Oh.

And so that was a tricky one. That's a huge statement for you to say nothing had been that challenging because you kind of ran the damn gamut. But I think most of the song, like, I think I'm just such a fan of music. And like, you know, people would be like, oh, she covered. this, you know, Whitney one or this Celine one or this, you know, whatever. I think we even did Metallica at one point. Like we did, we covered a random, you know, country. But I genuinely had been listening to all those artists and songs since I was a kid.

So it's kind of innate in me, a lot of those. So doing this one, though, was like, it felt like, it honestly felt like it was like humans competing against AI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, this song was the final test. And I'll tell you what, bitches. I was like, I was, I was, I was like, you can do this. You don't have us yet. Because I couldn't.

My son is so honest. And he was like, he would walk by the, I would be in my infrared sonic because it's a nice place that opens you up. And I was like, all the heat. And I was like, you know, trying to find that placement. He was like, he was like, he would come by and this would be his way of being like, he'd be like, wow. He was like, wow, he was like, that's a really high song. Well, that one's hard to sing, huh?

I was like, Remington. I'm trying to figure it out. Your son dresses so fly. He would love that you said He wears suits to school Like he wears like he loves He's not me at all My daughter is me

Yeah She likes a little bit Like but she's very low key Yeah He is just like How can I look The coolest in the room? He looked fresh

Like I saw you in Vegas last November And like he was dressed so fly He loves Yeah he loves to And he loves to look like He wants to be Steven Spielberg. He wants to be a film director.

And that's like his dream right now in life. And so he loves, he even sees all the like older directors, how they used to dress or whatever. Yeah, yeah. He really gets into it. He's, he's, because he already has the thing of directors, which is like, he, oh, he's just a

cool guy, because I will never forget him saying, is the Brooklyn Bridge and screaming, this is freedom! Oh, he was like New York. Yeah. New York. Yeah, I was like, yeah, we were coming in New York and I was like, what? You like New York so much. She was like, because it's freedom. And I was like, what does that mean?

Were we in prison before? Maybe. Maybe. I think there's, I've actually been talking a lot about this lately. Like, just because I think, you know, it's really nice weather right now. And you see people kind of- We just went to the zoo and had the most amazing day. It's so beautiful out.

And so people are dressing in ways where the, it's like when it first becomes summer, you start to see everyone's legs and, like, people are wearing their fun summer stuff. Right now, I think people are endeavoring into their fall. clothes. And what I love about like New York style is everyone is so different. So maybe he was reacting to that. Like just the style. Yeah. Like truly though. Like the individualism. It's like that is freedom. And I literally said that whenever before I moved here and I was we were in L.A. There was obviously a lot going on in my world and I was like I need a fresh start. And I was like and we happen to be having a meeting with my label here at the time.

And it was years ago. And I remember looking at Trisha, my manager, and I was like, we were in a restaurant. I think my sister was there too. And I was looking around and literally, I was like, everyone can be anyone here. I was like there were so many different. It was such a variety of human beings.

Like in whatever culture they were from, whatever they were into. Like, everybody looked so different, but everybody kind of fit. And I was like, should we move here? Yeah. I was like, this is kind of awesome. You can just, and no one cares.

Like if you're famous, here. No one cares. Everyone is the lead character in their movie and I'm here for it. Yeah. You're so right about that. It's like everyone, everyone is playing their own soundtrack. Yes. You know? It's, and that could be, because I remember when I first came here at 18, on me, you felt the same. It can feel pretty lonely at first because everyone knows exactly where they're going. And it's like, whoa, like, I don't know the, I don't, I can't walk that fast yet because I don't know where I'm going yet. You know, it's like everyone's so sure. Yeah, I think mine would well that's what I love about right now for me so I used to have to be so sure and on time

and everywhere now it's like as soon as I get my kids to school on time um we're figuring that out because dropping both of them off is crazy but anyway but they're um it's you don't have to be in a hurry so to be able to live here and not be in a hurry yeah and just have whatever soundtrack you want to go out or just listening just to the sound it's like very it's very wonderful are you dating No, my kids right now, I think there's a lot behind that. But like, I think they, yeah, that would that would rock their boat a little bit. And honestly, this is not a bullshit answer. I love my life right now.

Like it just got like to where I am not exhausted at every point of it. You don't have the anchors. Well, and I feel like if you're going to be in a relationship, you have to be willing to give some of your time up. And I am unwilling. Good. That's a good thing. And also this is probably the first time, and I'm sure you understand this. I'm just saying this because I understand this. It's like the first time it's the three of you without this big thing looming over it, having its own presence. Yeah. It's just, it's been really good. And we're having fun and we're, you know, we're cooking. We're playing games. I'm, I'm there at pickup or I'm there dropping off. I'm there. Like, it's just, it's real different. But it's a, it's a beautiful city, I will say, to raise kiddos in too, because I was. wasn't really exposed to like different cultures. I wasn't really exposed to anything like that. Like I love where I grew up.

Obviously I turned out all right. But I just meant it's a cool thing for them to have just every color of the rainbow, every, you know, color of personality, everything. You know what I'm saying? It's awesome. Do they travel with you internationally too? Because you were just saying you were in Shanghai. Oh, yeah, they do.

And we loved it. Oh my God. Let's talk about it. Okay. So first of all, okay. We went to several different parts of Asia. I love Asia. But we went to Shanghai and I was telling y'all because I came in with my cute skirt.

The, no. I got it. You can see this skirt if you watch on YouTube. But if you're just listening, this is a good skirt. Which I was thinking about making pants because it is a cute pant look too. But anyway, because I love altering things that I find. But I found it in this cute thrift store in Shanghai in the middle of this just random store. It was like the size of a closet. It had such great stuff.

Anyway, I love it. I love Shanghai. I'm not a person that's like super into fashion. I like what I like, but I'm not, it's not like a thing I like, I don't think that's secret. You have your own style, but you don't, you're not into fashion fashion. Yeah, I'm just like a hardcore, like I'm in it. Like I expect it and I'm like, oh, I love the creative, you know, behind it. But I'm not generally, but I tell you what, I got to Shanghai and I saw all these chic Chinese

grandma. Yes. And I was like, do I want to be a chic Chinese grandma? Yes. They were so cool and everything was so relaxed and layered and effortless and easy. But it was so cool. They look so good. So you are responding to something in that fashion sense. Okay, all you have to do is Google Chinatown Pretty. It's this copy table book. I have it at home. You've seen it. It's like just old women and men from Trinatowns across the world just looking fly as fuck. And it's like I think this was, and like it's very much like a style that I was trying to adopt. I don't think I've totally nailed it. But it's I think it's like you and I have this connection. Okay, wait. Have you seen the thing?

Somebody showed me the day because I'm not on social media and I, but my friends will show me things every now and then. And there is this cute couple. Are they from Thailand? It's this older couple. They own a laundromat and people leave their stuff. I think they were tough. I can't remember where they're from. Sure, sure. But they take the stuff. They take it and they look so cool. Like they're the coolest older couple and I'm like, this is couple goals. If I could find someone like this, I would carve out time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, if I could find somebody that would hang like this until I'm old, this is time I would carve out. Of course. But they're, yeah, they're so cool. They take all the stuff that people leave and they make outfits and they post or whatever.

And they, it's so cute. Yeah, yeah. I always hated too, like when they are like, oh, you wore that here so you can't wear it again.

I'm like, watch me. Watch me wear it again. People respect. There's no, there's no, like, oh, they wore that again.

And if you were the kind of person who's like, you're repeating an outfit. I don't think so. Get real. Like, I was like, what? It's such a waste. And it was comfortable the first time.

Also, sometimes things like look good in many different situations and scenarios. It's like, yeah. You're going to be wearing that skirt again, I'm sure, very soon. I'm going to wear it everywhere. Everywhere. Wait, what else did you? Where else did you go in Asia? We went to, oh, we went to Beijing.

We did the great wall. And it was so funny because my mom has a cane. She had to have surgery on both her knees at some point. So they're not the same, right? And so we get to the Great Wall and the steps They're crazy Are crazy

No they're not good Some of them are two feet tall I feel like and then one's like you know Yeah tiny It's just all it's crazy different right But we got we made it all the way To the wall And then my mom was like oh and she looked at it

She was like and I go Oh no no we did not come all the way To Beijing get to the great wall for you to just look at them I'm like we're gonna get up there And so all these people were watching me My mom was on my shoulders and I was literally underneath the verge of pushing her up the stairs because like you have to get on the wall. We did not come all the way here. That's beautiful. So we got her up there. But I think

they were like crazy Americans like it was hilarious. They probably were like we saw Kelly Clarkson lift her mother over her head. Well they were actually very help. People were very helpful and sweet. They were actually very sweet. That's something I love too about Asian culture I witness. They're sweet people. Well, sweet, but also with the moms or grandmalls or whatever, everybody is like, everybody is so polite and everybody is so helpful and everybody, it's like that you almost, it's like such a level of respect for your elders. Like it's, I loved that. Did you guys slide down? We wanted to do that.

They had that closed for some ways. We were going to do that and it was closed because I wanted to do, I saw it online. There's like little sleds, there's like slides and you get into a little thing and then you slide all the way. No, I need to go. I know. I love to. slide. I love that I feel like Lily Tomlin in that big chair.

We see. Do you like these are my, the socks. They made, oh, river. Oh my God. It's a crafted community. I know.

My guys are, yeah. They are. Okay. So speaking of, speaking of your fans, I think that they're wanting to know something and you're dropping hints and they're big hints.

And I have to ask you right directly to your face. Ask me. And it would, be cool if this was... I will say what I can say. Is it a country album coming? Oh!

You know what? I wouldn't expect... Hmm. Like, defined genre? I wouldn't expect defined genre. Even like the single that I've released, like, so far, there's only been only two. Where Have You Been was very different. It was kind of, you know, classic and could go in many different genres, I feel like.

And then I'd Beeline was definitely down the road, like pop rock. Like, we kind of did that. the next one we've been working right now is completely different than any single I've ever put out. And honestly, it was kind of a happy accident. Based on who you were working with? Well, no. It's based on how I had to record something because of the situation I was in and I had to be quiet. And then it was like...

Maybe there's something here. It was kind of cool, like how it happened. So the next one's very interesting. And then the next one, they all don't sound like each other. And there's definitely different genres already have been written and working on. But like, that's the thing that I loved about starting my label. And I was like, I don't care if it's successful or not. I just want to write what I want to write when I write it.

And I want to release it when I want to release it. People dig it cool. People don't. It's not their vibe cool. Like it's like, but I definitely am not going to do the thing where you have to release the same vibe every time. So that, so it's very different. It was the stage coach of it all And I do feel like you give it a little twang on I'd be lying

And so I was like I was wondering if we were headed in a specific direction But also this feels more accurate to who you've always been Well yeah and I've played country events Several times I haven't been able to say yes to stage coach Or any festivals really just because of time Because of the talk show So excited

So I am like I literally like once I've been wrapped up the show I told my agents I was like Okay all these things I've been having to say no to I would really love to jump into because I love doing, you know, I played the Houston Radio too. And like, you know, there's several plays that like a lot of country artists more or less play generally. Yes. But I mean, I've done that pretty regularly on and off for years.

But no, they asked me, it was like, you want to open for Garth? Like at this stage code. And I was like, that has to be sick for you. Yes, I do. Yeah. No, are you shitting me? No, your songs and stories with Garth was so special. I love him.

I mean, I could. I, and I've sung with him before. we've been in the studio before. I'm obsessed even more with his wife. Like I love Trisha so much. Oh my God, her voice. The Georgia Rain. God, she's so amazing.

This is me you're talking to. Do you know that song? Do I know that song? I shouldn't have done that. You put me on to that one year. It's so good. I'm telling you. She's crazy.

That's Hong. Yeah. It's so crazy. She's really, she's just a crazy talented vocalist. And I love the same people she loves too. Like Linda Ronstat. That's one of her favorite. That's one of mine as well.

But like Linda, she floated during different genres. Absolutely. And even languages. Like, you know, so. Yeah. And then there's another, there's like a few projects I'm working right now.

Because there's another one that fans have been asking for four years. What could that be? And then there's another one that people may or may not be expected. Because we're coming up on 25 years. Yes, yes, yes. I know what it is because you actually told me what it was. Oh. And I'm not going to guess because I know.

Okay. But he's not going to reveal it either. I think a lot of fans have guessed, and I kind of mentioned a little bit when I was on stage. Because you looked at my eyes and said, don't say anything. And I told you you could trust me. And then I probably walked directly out on stage right after that. Said to everyone. Yeah.

No, I haven't like announced it, but no, there's something that people have been asking for for a while. And look, I just, I was waiting for the right. It hadn't been the right time. And I love where I'm at vocally right now. I love where, like, how we sound like right now as a band. You beat the robots. You sang golden and you beat AI. Beat the robot.

Yeah. It's time. I'm telling you that's a hard one. It's a tall order. It is a tall order. But speaking of, you know, we're talking about stagecoach and you mentioned Linda. And I feel like one thing that I'll always remember is you always give a vinyl at the end of your, when people came to your show. Yeah.

And I've gotten a few from you because we've been lucky enough to be on the show. and one of them that you gave me was Jolene by Dolly Parton. And I was just thinking about that the other day because obviously Dolly's been so top of mind. I'm actually going to Dollywood in a few weeks for the first time. For the first time? Never been. You're going to love it. I'm like a huge roller coaster person.

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Listen to Black Lit from the Black Effect Podcast Network on our Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. There is a wooden roller coaster there. Talking about Thunderhead? I don't remember the name, but I will never ride it again. Was it tough? Here's the thing. I ride everything. Like, I ride the stuff that people you see getting stuck on YouTube.

Like, I ride everything. You go for it. This particular roller coaster, my sister and I rode together. and I thought, well, at least I'm going to die with her. It's another thing that Dolly was good at. It's like, it's like the wooden roller coat, the Texas giant, like in six times of Texas, it's wooden. I used to wait three and a half to four hours to that ride,

and it's wooden. And you know how you feel, and it feels like it shakes in a different way? I don't know how you do on wooden. I love wooden. Look, you should definitely ride it. But while you're riding it, know that you're going to make it. You're going to make it. Yeah, there's been times where,

And I'm like, oh, wow, this is, this is truly. They just actually, there was a roller coaster in Six Flags Magic Mountain. It was called X2. And they're actually taking it down. Because someone just got like serious, I think something really happened like with their brain. And then they were like, they released findings that were like, yeah, this roller coaster actually may not be safe. So it's like every time you go to a, to a theme park and you're like, oh, please, you're so much safer in this than you are in your own car. It's like, not this one.

And I've done that one. And it was the only time, the one and only time I felt like I might die on this. Did you and I do King to Ka together? We did do King to Kdaqa. King to Ka. They took that down to. It's a big phallus to the sky. It was like this.

And it was basically you go zero to 100, I think 40 in two seconds. And then you go up 90 degrees. Totally vertical. And then it's a big, big old penis in the sky. And then it goes all the way down. 450 feet. I don't know about that And they, because they took that down too

I generally do ride everything At least once You got kids now You can't do that No, I did it this time And it was funny I was with my brother-in-law And this one

I don't know what the ride What I don't remember Where we were Were we at Universal? I can't remember We usually We generally do Universal And Disney like a same trip

You gotta That's what we do And oh my gosh There was I can't remember the name of it One was yellow The Velastastas Racer's

Mama We got the mug. You deserve that fucking mug because I tell you what. That ride, that was hilarious. First of all, I'm so glad I rode with my brother-in-law because he is like six, four and like a manly dude. The G-forces don't play on bodies that big though.

Manly dude. And he was like, he was like, I did this to myself. He was thinking of his hearing like saying that I've never heard him say. And I laughed the whole time. I was so glad I rode with him because if I wouldn't have ridden with him, I think I'd have peed my pants.

So Kelly, we actually have you to thank for this. We went down there and covered the epic universe for your show. And then they put us on the Stardust Racers. With the GoPro. Were you in front? We were in the very front. And then guess what? For coverage, they had us do it twice.

Hey, guess what? We did it twice too, pretty sure. We had just come from doing the hot ones. No, we tried to do it twice. And then it broke down. That's, we didn't do it twice. There you go. But Kelly, this is how you understand.

Which you don't like to hear. No. The cube experience, the line experience, waiting in line between rides is actually a hugely important part of it. Your body needs to reset. Your body needs to reset. Okay, let me tell you about another friend of mine.

Cosmic Rewind. Oh, we love her. That's our dream. That's our best coaster. That's my favorite ride in all of the lands and I write it like 10 times in a row. Have you gotten every song? I look at those guides and I go,

what is, when do we get to rude? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. At what point am I like a freak? Do we get to like, she's a piece of shit? for going this many times. No. But it's my one.

I would go to Disney World just for that ride to ride all day long. You go do that? You eat at the Habachi Japan. You have an amazing night. Jamie Berry, our guide at Universal, who we love. We love Jamie. She says it's, well, I might get her in trouble for saying this. But she's like, well, Cosmic Rewind is the best coaster in the world.

It is the best coaster in the world, but I will tell you, Shanghai. Let's come back. Wait, yes. Have you been to Disney World Shanghai? I have. I went to the beginning with Tron. But now Tron's in Orlando, but what were you going to say? Have you ridden Pirates of the Caribbean in Shanghai?

Yes, I have. I have. This is legendary one. Not the new one because I went right when it opened in 2015 or something. No, this is crazy. Oh my God. This ride, we were like future of rides? You can't believe what you see.

What happens? What happens? Literally all you hear is every human go, because it's the most incredible ride. First of all, I had no idea we were underwater. I had no idea that we were going to ride the sky. How are they, the bill. the billions of dollars that were spent on that ride,

every penny was worth it. Wow. It's like a boat ride, but that also... You go underwater. So it's got full screens. So basically it's like you look out and it's the screen. You don't really know where the practical water ends and the screen begins.

It's like you're in virtual reality. It's kind of like a better version of, what was it, Journey to the Center of the Earth at Tokyo Disney. Oh, I like Journey to the Center. No, no, no, no, no. It's like a jacked up version of Pirates of the Caribbean. It's like a hundred times.

Because then my son and I, we went to Disney, when you got back here, he goes, he looked at me and we were just at, like, Disneyland or Disney World here, and he was like, it's not the same. Oh, he's dead ass right. It was his favorite ride. That was his favorite ride and, like, Shanghai Disney Rundet. Because he's like, well, it'll never be like that.

It can and will never be the Shanghai moment. Prior to the Caribbean, okay. I love that you all love Cosmic Rewind. Wait, too, what's your favorite song? Congo. That's a good one. So for the first time I went, we went five times, never got everybody wants to go to the world, which was my favorite.

Oh, I like that one too. I want it so badly. We just went. It's so good. But then when we met back this time, a couple months ago, September. That's my son's favorite. And I was just vibe. I felt like I was on a party drug.

I was like, I'm having a party drug. It is. Without taking drugs. Exactly. It's such a good vibe. I love it. It changed some of our friends lives. Our friend Stephen got off of it.

And I don't think he stopped talking about it. People get on the ride. They get off and they're like, I can't deal with the fact that I have reached the peak joy of my life. You transcended. My daughter got me for Christmas this past year and actual Cosmic Rewind. She had one made, like on Etsy with Vip Nanny. She was like, you know you love this. I was like, it's my favorite.

It's my happy place. It's the dream. And now you have a song on the Rock and Roller Coaster. Yes. Huge coup. It's my version of walking on sunshine. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was really cool. And my kids, we got on it and wrote it. And I felt like I was Thor. So we, because they were like, this is you on the ride. I was like, I'm incredible, right? This is amazing. Yes.

Wow. You randomly got it or do they figure it out? They had to play for you. They said they couldn't actually time, but they were going to try to, but they can't actually because of how it, whatever. They were like, we're hoping, like we were trying to do it, And it happened.

Wait, but can we just say for a second, that does not inspire much confidence in roller coasters in general because if Disney World can't sink it so that they can play walking on sunshine for Kelly Clarkson. It's because there's so many songs that they do. You can't have roller coasters be random. It's the same thing as like cosmic rewind though. Sure, sure, sure. It's randomized.

It's intentionally randomized. They were really trying. But we did get it. It was very cool to have. your own voice. Like, I was such a fan of Aerosmith. Like, I am a huge fan, but I was such a fan of them on that ride. I was so over the yucca, like in the beginning.

Why? You know his whole thing? Two! Yeah, I loved it. And I'd be doing it as well. And my son is like, what's wrong with you? You know who we did get? Jennifer Hudson.

We got Jennifer Hudson. Is she on one of us? She's on one of them. What is she singing? She sings, love roller coaster. Rollercoaster. Yeah, it was great. And one thing is, I want them to crank it up a little.

little bit volume-wise. Maybe our ears weren't far back enough. Crank it. Crank it. As Slater says. What are you listening to lately? Ooh. Yeah.

Jungle? Love. Hey. My makeup artist turned me on to jungle and I now am obsessed and listen to it all the time. Yeah. So the Met Coachella two years ago. Oh, really?

Incredible. She actually, funny enough, showed me like two years ago and I missed it in the text and I went back to look for a picture she had sent for something and I was like, what is this? So I missed it. She told me about it like a couple years ago and I've totally. I really missed it. But yeah, love that. That's cool.

Adaboy, I'm obsessed with Ataboy. Yep, I can listen to that all the time. Because I like music that I can get on my, because I, you know, have been this summer in Montana a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any trail ride music, because I'll be in my Atepe, just like on the trail. And any vibe music like that I'm doing for. You want to let it rip on the.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and then there's this song. I don't know the title. I'm trying to learn it. I think it's, I don't know what, I'm going to sound stupid. I'm not even going to say what I said. Anyway, I love it. It's a Carol G song, and it's called C.

It's an older song of hers. It's a new Carol G. Yeah, yeah. I know what I do. No, J is everything. Actually, I was supposed to go see her the other night. I met life and couldn't go. She's filling out MetLife.

Yeah, she's also headlined Coachella last year, and it was unbelievable. I am a, absolutely the biggest Latin artist ever. Ever. I got to be honest to you. I didn't even know that. I just love it. It was like, if you like this, you might like this or something. And I was like, okay.

And I was listening to it. And I was like, is this my favorite? So my kids. It's so funny, though, we're all in the car and we're like, I do the moment. Say, yeah. But no words.

Yeah. I'm like, I haven't learned it yet. And I really want to learn it. I love it. It doesn't matter. You know the notes. If I was doing a Kellyoki, I would do that. I didn't, I wasn't aware of the song.

Yeah. I know. I was very mad about. Of course. This is where you make your big announcement. You're coming back. Coming back. Coming back just to cover this song.

You know what I need people to make more noise about is the new Ellie Golding. Oh, I don't know. Oh, she just released a new album. That's obsessed. I love her. I like her too. And you know what? I didn't realize how much I loved her always.

Because I think that she actually is a pop artist that people took for granted. I think that she actually was much more influential on the sound of all the younger pop girlie. younger pop girlies now. Even the way she sings, like I guess they call it the cursive style of singing. Like, I wouldn't consider that curse now.

Not really, but you know, it's like sort of like, there's like an inherent rasp in it. Yeah, yeah. It's authentic to her, yes.

Yeah. And also, I would also give credit to Halsey for this style. Yes. You know what I mean? I also don't, I don't think,

I think both of those ladies don't really give enough, get enough credit for like, like. Julie Michaels too. Yeah, yeah. Who? Julie Michaels.

Julia Michaels. Yeah, that sound too, because she was on a lot of those before she had her own thing, she was on a lot of those demos that went around. Like she was writing for a lot of people. So a lot of people kind of adopted her sound too. I would, I would hear.

I'm like, oh, that sounds like Julia. Like, because I only knew her as a demo because when they'd send you songs or whatever, they're like, hey, do you like this? Like, is I write, but I also like singing other people stuff. And I would, and I would start to hear her. It's like her and Sia. You're like, who is this girl I keep hearing?

Yeah, well, I was like her and Sia. Like, people would kind of adopt their sound when they'd do sing their songs a little bit. Yeah. I remember Leah and Michelle did that. She had the song, like, I cannot move! And I was like, this is a big open Cia. Big now.

But it's kind of, because they wrote a lot of songs for a lot of other people. So I think that's what, before they even, you know, not before, not before. But Julia definitely was writing a lot before. Julia wrote for you, right? Yeah, she's written stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's written stuff. Not piece by piece.

Oh, no, but on the album. Oh, oh, I thought you meant that song. I was like, oh, no, not that one. No, that was all you. Yeah. I went there's some trauma for that way. I was like, wait, I'm not bringing up the stuff. Testament to that song, though, that it's lived so many lives.

Oh, piece by piece. Yeah. You know what? And kind of cool, because I never really thought about music like that to be able, you know, you always think about it of where it is and it's that chapter and that's what it is. And I was like, well, that's kind of interesting to have somebody come in and like go, well, this is a different chapter. What does this feel like now?

Kind of cool. I never really thought. I've never done it with that. another song, but like, and probably won't. But then it kind of feels like it landed where it was supposed to. Right. It's for me now. It's like a both sides now situation in a way.

Oh my God. You know what I mean? That's such a great song. But it'll just change meaning over time. Like, songs have that quality. Yeah. Or when you listen to songs that you really like, when you're young and you're like, oh, I didn't get it.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. We're like, oh, wait. It was a whole artist for me like that. Like, it happened for me with Lana Del Rey. Yeah. I never really understood it. And then, again, a few years ago at Coachella, she did her headlining set and I was like,

oh, I get Lana Del Rey. Yeah. And then I went to like a whole year-long, Lana period. Her approach is such a cool vibe and singular. Like, it's her thing, you know? Did you sing off to the races once? I did. Oh.

So cool. I don't know if I did it on the show. I think I did it. I think I saw you do it in concert. Yeah, I think I did it in concert. because people don't realize the Kelly Oaky thing. Like I've been covering songs since, well, American Idol. Yes, exactly.

But you did it in all your shows. Since my first tour, like I've been doing that regularly. So we just kind of brought it in the TV shows. So it's kind of, because they're like, oh, what are you going to do now? I'm like, well, kind of what I was doing before. I was like, I've been doing this like on the road for a while. So, yeah, no, I did off to the race. Yeah.

Yeah. I love that one. Just to speak one more time about the dolly of it all. Like, I wanted to know, did you have a relationship? with her, like a close relationship with her? Not as super close one. We had like we always like ran into each other and we're both very, um, we're both like souls that you could meet for the first time I feel like and we're both like, what's up? And you could really engage with someone and almost feel like you've known them. Yeah. For a minute. I feel like, I feel like we both have that

kind of vibe about us. And we, from the first moment, you know, we met and we were sitting together actually, I think it was at a Reba tribute years and years and years ago. And it was her and Barbara Mandrell and me. And I was like, wow. Which one of these is not like the other. Was that the Kennedy Center? I was like, no, this was years ago for like a country thing. And then we kept running into each other. We'd run into each other different things.

I remember this. You sang, why haven't I heard from you? That's what I did for me of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was another thing. It was in Nashville that we were both doing a tribute. Or it might have been in L.A. they were shooting. I can't remember.

But anyway, we, but the thing that I think the moment we had, which was so telling, which nobody really knew, was like the day. Well, first of all, she'd asked, they had said, oh, Dolly was asking if you'd sing at this tribute because they're doing a Dolly tribute and I guess she had asked specifically if I would do it and I was like oh my god for sure whatever she wants well didn't know that would entail I will always love you yeah but she loved your version well that is a tall order yeah from two giant enormous influences of mine that are like what so we tried to do a marriage of to honor her version and Whitney's but it was crazy

because not many people knew I mean they knew she was side stage and like watching me do it And but they didn't know like my divorce papers. Everything was final. My life 30 minutes before that performance. Wow. So I found out like right before that performance. So you lived it. And I'm sitting there and she kind of caught me and we were backstage and I was like, I'm sorry.

I was like I'm, I was like I was like I, because she kind of saw and she was I done something. We were having a conversation about something else. And I was like, I'm sorry. It's just kind of a wild moment for me. And I was like, I'm glad to go out there and do this. song and I know, you know, the, the, the, uh, Porter Wagner, like, the whole thing with that song and like, why that song is, it was just kind of crazy, like, what I was going through in that moment. And then we just had this moment backstage where she's just one of those people you

don't have to know your whole life, but you can in one instance. Like, and so every time we ran into each other, she was so cool. And it's like you're catching up with an old friend. But then that moment for me and, you know, what she said backstage to me was just like, it was just a really beautiful thing and, and really helpful because I was like, oh, my, God, you cannot break. Like this moment isn't about you. Like this is a tribute to someone. And I, but I was like carrying like, you know, so much had just been like lifted.

It was just a really weird hour for me. But yeah. But anyway, she was very, very cool. And I'll never forget that moment. And then I also was like, I slightly hate you for asking me to sing this song. It feels like that's kind of a bit of a theme is you need to or you are asked to sing. songs in very difficult moments. Like even going back all the way to American Idol

where it's like there's pressure on this live moment and then there's the overwhelming emotion. They asked me to sing that and I came back and it was like, oh man, I'm pregnant and so emotional and it was like these halls as I was 19 years old and yeah, I feel like that always. We've seen you perform while carrying a lot many times over the past now almost 25 years.

That's kind of maybe the most out of anyone like that sings professionally. Or that you know, that's the thing too. You don't know what people are. That's right. Like I remember I had to leave. We were all on tour and Katie came out. Katie Perry came out with her.

It was at a documentary or film or something. Whatever. We went to go watch it. I had to leave. Because I was like if the moment when she was in, I think it was South Paulo, I've been at that festival too. And you're coming up and your life is falling apart.

But you're like, okay, this moment isn't about me. So I've got to like pull it together for the others. Like, you know, it's like, And it's not like a, we're all human. So if you break, it's okay. But like it, you know, it's just like I had to, I was like, oh, and I'm good. I was like, I was like, I don't need to watch this. Yeah.

It's so real. But all of us do that. Like, yes, it's maybe different when you're in a spotlight and tons of people watching. But the same thing. People are showing up at their cubicle or they're showing up as a teacher or they're showing up whatever job they do. We all have so much going on. And that's why it's like when it can be such a hateful kind of. hard world. It's like just remember everybody's got their own shit going on. You have no idea what's

happening behind the curtain and what they're kind of keeping together. Like you just don't know. So like maybe just be a little kind. Of course. But I think you're also an example of even if you do share that if you and that's totally at your discretion, but if you do share the things that you're going through as you go and perform something like you just did with the dolly story or with the piece by, I'll never forget the piece by piece performance because of the context because of what you were experiencing. Well, and people don't know like. also rough time. Of course.

And my significant other at that time. Yes. So it was like a lot of projection too of like, we can do this. You know? Like it's like it's almost like you're performing the song even to yourself. You know what I mean?

For sure. Yeah. And like wanting it to be a reality. So just even if people do know, I think it's like it's not a bad thing. It's a great thing. It's like a really additive layer to it. Yeah.

I don't know. It just makes it even more special. Yeah. Well, and it's, I say that I probably wouldn't ever told that story, but I say that because it's really a testament of who she was as a person as well. That's what I mean like she was so helpful and beautiful as a human and was talking to me as a human and wasn't worried at all about the song or like the performance. She was like it was just on a human level. She was such a kind individual. And I think that a lot of

bad always gets said about people and gossip, you know, the bad stuff always gets said more than the good. And so it's like, no, she was an amazing musician. And so. songwriter and a pioneer for women in the industry, for sure, all of those things. But like, I mean, for sure, just an amazing human to live up to. Yeah. And also, you know, there's so much talk right now about how, you know, she was the most beloved American and everyone could agree on her. Yeah. But the thing is, I feel like when people say that, they're forgetting, she also was a very outspoken person. And she, you knew what she believed in and she believed in children's literacy and she believed that like people should be kind and she was a fierce advocate

for queer people and LGBTQ plus rights and you know so this but but you always knew she was heart forward you know what I mean I feel like you share that with her well and I feel like with her too people forget like I mean we're young for this but like I think it was a little hard for her in the beginning too she was doing a lot of things that people weren't doing like in not even just standing up, even physical things. She would be very honest about it. She'd be like, I know people would make fun. You make fun of it.

Like, she was very just open and vulnerable. And I think that's what was so attractive about it. Yeah. She wasn't pretending to be anything other than exactly what she was. She was like one of those people that's like, no, I've had no work done. Exactly. Like, okay. Which at the time, like, was revolutionary.

No, that's what I'm saying. It was very bold. Yeah. And like, I don't think she was meaning to be bold. I think that's just how she came out. Yeah. You know, like talking with her, it's like, I just think that's who you all. I don't think she was trying to like

Be brave or bold or whatever With her too is like you make it It's very clear when you watch her Like humor was also armor for her You know what I mean? She was like I'm gonna make a joke there Like it takes a lot of money to look this cheap Like instead of like I'm gonna say the thing about me Before you can

Yeah And that I have the power It's playground bully mentality Yeah You gotta make fun of yourself before the other one can I gotta beat you to it Yeah But the thing I'll never forget

And like you know that Barbara Walters interview kept circulating when she passed. But like when I watched like back in college, I didn't see that one. Oh, she's just, you know, Barbara Walsh was like, you don't have to dress in all these ridiculous outfits. You don't have to have the wig. You don't have to do all these things.

Like, why don't you just present yourself as a songwriter? And she goes, oh, well, she goes, I know that fame is a money-making joke. And I just do this because I like it. And she goes, I am sure of myself. I am sure of my talent. Yeah. And I'm like, that's all it has to be for her.

Yeah. And like, oh, that's all I. has to be for anybody. Yeah. You just have to be sure of what you have to give. And I think that's the thing too, like running into people in the industry that are, I mean, we've all worked with them. They can be insecure and it's like insecurity is such a cancer for a room.

Like it's like it'll just kill us. It's like, oh, like don't do that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't, like be confident in your gifts. Be confident with what you have. Like, be bold. Like that's, it's, because when you have people like that and you're around that kind of legend and it's like, well, they've reached out because they're so confident in their skin and

they're confident in their talent and they're not afraid to say that person did a good job because it lessens what they do. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like a lot of people can be so insecure. It's like, oh, if I give them flowers, that means I get less. And it's like, what? I just feel like, or like now I'm owed something for having been kind. You know what I mean?

It's like, you know what I mean? Like those people that are just like, you can tell it's all a little bit transactional. Of course. Oh, I love that. I love that. Anyway. They're all. I mean, it's just so funny.

It's just like when you get into the industry, you realize like good leadership is actually really kind of rare. Like it's like anything though, you know? But I usually feel, I mean, do you find that most people that are good leaders don't want to be? That's actually a really good point. They don't want to be. Like it's like, you get put in that situation.

It's like, I don't really want to do this. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I feel like most people that I look to and I'm like, oh, they're good. It wasn't because they like wanted to be. they just kind of are. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Like service made them go forward and not like, I am going to be the person to deliver this message. Only I can do it. Yeah. Well, that's a narcissist. Yes. Only I. Yeah.

Okay. Truly. These people, they are out there. They're crawling. And just get away from them. It's okay, though. You know what I, it'll,

I don't, I think getting older too, like with stuff like that, especially talking to my kids, like, because they're, you know, they're harder ages.

one's in middle school and it's like, hey, buddy, like, it'll find them. It'll find them. Don't worry about it. Like, you do you. And if somebody's pin that out there, don't even worry about it. Like, first of all, their movie sucks because they're focused on yours. Like, their life sucks. Like, it's like, if their life was awesome, they wouldn't be so worried about what you're doing.

Yeah. Like, it's like, so just, yeah, I was like, just stay the course. And like, it'll, don't be mad that. Because sometimes my daughter can be like, the injustice really gets to her. And it's like, I get that. And yes, there is a point to where, depending on the situation, but, like, as well, like, don't worry about that and do you. It'll find them. It'll, it'll, what you put out there will come back.

So be careful what you're putting out there. You're right. It does. The best way to go about it is just to understand that you can't control other people's action. Yeah. And that's, what a freedom. I know. To know, like, I don't have to take.

It's enough to worry about your own front porch. There you go. You know what's, like, one thing that I feel like I learned in the last year that has been really. really easy is just remember how people make you feel. You know what I mean? Like just clock it. If someone is making you feel a consistent way, that's not something to ignore. It's like even if they're not meaning to do it, it's like how you feel there's something there.

And it doesn't make them bad or wrong. It just makes it not what you're needing right now. No, exactly. Yeah. You know what? And it's also like it's your energy. It's your feelings. I think I thought for a long time like, oh, I have.

have to have this person in my life because they're in my life. You know what I mean? And then I think when you get a little bit older and your time means more and your energy means more. You get a little wiser and you get a little bit more economical with your own time where it's like I don't have the time to have the same, you know, conversation with you that we've had for 15 years. You're talking about me because of the podcast.

This is the same conversation we've had. No. Keep asking the same question. What was the culture that you say culture is for you? I'm over it. No, I do get it because I think we can all get stuck sometimes. And if you don't have those friends that can be like, you need to get unstuck. We need to, we need to work through that.

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and just face another person who's full of life and don't talk. Listen to Here's the Thing on the IHeart Radio app, Apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, speaking of vibe kill, we're about to do a positive vibe kill. This is I don't think so, honey. Okay.

And this is our moment. I love mine. To sort of rant rail and more. Are you have a prepared one today? I do. Incredible. And it's a controversial one. I don't care.

That's fine. Controversy is, it helps us get clicked. I just mean, I think a lot of people have a lot of thoughts on it. But yeah. Can we see this jacket actually before? Oh, yeah. It's actually really cute. Does it say iced tea?

Okay, so this is a... Sugar and Honey Ice Tea. Which stands for. Shit. A whole lot of... A lot of woman. A lot of women. But it's also in a whole lot of women.

So Carrie was who worked at Atlantic Records. She worked the record with me and she had it made. I love it. It does say shit. It does say shit. Which is a double win.

Yeah. I'm going to go first. This is Up Thanks Honey or 60 second. Little rant segment. I can't be. You know you know. I'm ready. This is Matt Rogers.

I don't think someone. Like the time thing, it stresses me out. I don't think so, honey, lower back. I feel you getting different. And here's the thing. Just started engaging with kettlebells. We're not going to fight about this lower back. We're going to do the things we need to do.

We're going to engage our, what I'm told is my whole lower body and it's going to change everything. Lower back, I feel like I don't think so honey in the mornings when I can't feel you. Oh. It's not that it's in pain. It's just like, can I feel it? Lower back, you are the hardest thing to stretch. It is very uncomfortable to try to stretch you because when I am going to stretch my back, the back stretches I do know, that's sort of like, I mean, I can feel it a little bit,

but again, it's never exactly right. Do you feel me on this? 15 seconds. I don't think so, honey, lower back, it's just, it's incredibly hard to engage in a way where you're worried. And it incredibly, no, it's incredibly easy to engage in a way where you're worried after, but incredibly hard to engage with it a way we're like, now I feel better. And I don't want another addiction.

You know what I mean? Like if I start taking pain meds for it, don't too. Because already I self-medicate with the marijuana and I'm calling myself in. Gotta step doing that. Gonna go to the weed seltzers. Oh, we'll see.

That's still a THC addiction. That is enabling an attitude on my part. But I'm going to figure my life out. First, lower back, you got to help me. And that's one minute. Thank you. 30 seconds. Whoa, did I really go that over?

That's okay. I let you have the floor. You can't hit on another addiction because he's not really giving up the weed. He's just taking it. You're giving up smoking. So I have to go on tour in December and be singing. You're no quitter. Yeah.

No. No, and now it's at the point where I'm like, okay. It's now like the synthetic marijuana that they make is so, I used to just be a good old fashion, you know, ordinary stoner. And now it's like the weed that they make that they sell truly on the street legal is like you know it's, oh, this is this is, it's not weed, it's chronic. Then you keep saying. I, that's what I'm saying. It's not marijuana.

It's a dray record. It's a dray record. It's literally, it's the chronic. It's not okay. Anyway. I think, you know, you know what's actually interesting? I thought my lower back issues were very unique to me because I have no torso. Meanwhile, you're all torso.

Quite long. And you're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't. Lengthwise, your lower back's going to fuck you. I want to check in on you. I'm older than y'all, though. So hold on. Have you ever been at a really long dinner?

You're out with friends. Sure. We have surpassed three hours. This is not a normal dinner. Get me out of there. No, it's not a normal dinner. But you've had fun. Nobody even realized it's been three hours.

It's one of those dinners. Oh, it's nice. But then you get up. And you're like, what the fuck? What's happening? With my back right now. How was I? Yeah.

What was, what happened? Yeah. In action. You were in a, you were in a seated position in one position so long. You maybe crammed into a booth. And then all of a sudden you're like, how does everything from my lower back down hurt right now? Like, what is happening right now? What did I do?

What did I do? What did I do? I didn't do anything. No. And that was the problem. I was stiff too long. This is a little personal, but was it, was it crazy back style stuff when you were with child?

I honestly remember nothing from pregnancy except for wanting to my life it was the worst experience of my life I was vomiting and just the worst experience of my life I'm not one of those people that's like it's magical I don't get out of here congratulations for you but it can't just be that

it was the worst experience of my life and I thought it couldn't get worse and then I got pregnant again and it turns out it can get worse the second time was worse I was hospitalized both like I don't remember anything except for just a horror film. I'm so sorry. Yeah.

I'm sorry to bring it up. I just thought in terms of the back pan, I'm like, well, that's the ultimate final boss. I mean, it's just weird though when you get, yeah, you stand up and you're like, what? I remember you on talk shows at the time you were pregnant and you fully were like, I'm going to throw up. Oh. You were like telling the host like, I'm going to throw up. Oh, and it wasn't a joke. Like I remember being on Ella.

I had to come on Ellen. I was, I literally was saying no to everything. and then P-Swop, that whole performance, whatever, and they were like, can you please just do, Ellen, they'll let you, look, you can barf right before you go out and right out. And I was like, are you shitting me? And I was like, fine, whatever. So I literally barfed in a trash can right as I'm like walking out, go on, leave barf.

Like it was just all the time. And then you have to use your vocal cords. Yeah, which is so fun. Something's wrong there where like the amenity is you can barf wherever you want as long as you show up. We just want to make sure you're comfortable. So you can barf wherever.

Like, not when you're pregnant. Like when you're struggling or what are vocal, they're like, we can pump you with steroids. I'm like, oh my God, that sounds like such a good time. Thank you for the band-a. So I can be crazy. Yeah. What?

Because like the other thing about that is like, yeah, maybe your voice will be better. But then you have to speak in between and you're like, and those are horrible for you. It's only for severe situations. Of course. Yeah. And like, yeah, give me the stare.

But is there like someone who can like suck it out of my bloodstream afterwards immediately. Sorry. How is your hip, by the way? Oh, my hip is fine. I'm getting PT. I fell on it for O'Mary. No problem.

It's worth it. Okay. Let's get me on. I've got something. What's your, go? Okay. What's yours? I'm excited.

I think mine might be controversial too. Certified Broadway star. Stop. Bowen Yang. His, I don't think so honey? Well, it starts now. I don't think so honey. Gum.

Why did we ever invent the thing in the first place? If it can't be digested, rested within seven years, why are we putting it anywhere near our mouths? It's not like corn where it passes through yet, but it was really worth it. It tasted pretty good. Gum, I don't even know if it's doing anything for the breath. It's certainly, I don't know. Now I have to learn what xylitol is just because of this thing that should not exist.

It is a freak of science. It is an anomaly of human invention. We did not need it. Mints did us just fine. Breath sprays did us just fine. We don't need this thing to chew on unless you think, oh, but what about the oral fixation? 15 seconds.

Suck on a toothpick. Put anything else in your mouth. Chew on some cudd. It doesn't have to be gum. It doesn't have to be... I don't know. It's just kind of... It's just a cuddons.

It feels like a rural thing. But I don't know. It's rural gum. Gum is no longer necessary. It has been obsolete since its deception. That is one minute and six seconds. Also a TMJ nightmare. TMJ nightmare.

I can't chew gum because... You have TMJ? Yes. Oh my God. Not you with jaw tension. This happened. Yeah, how much I move my mouth are you fucking kidding? Never shut up.

No, I, it happens, like, it hasn't happened in a while, but I have been singing on stage and my jaw will lock. And I, you'll see me look down and I have to release it that way or it'll get stuck. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Horrible for a singer. I know. Damn. What do we do?

I have a big overbite too. Yeah, I have a, yeah. I've got an underbite. You're too? Well, it's like, it's just not totally, you know what I mean? That's not an underbite. It's not like full on under it, but it's like, it's getting there. I had like a, yeah, you can, yeah.

Get this. Went to the dent of the other day? They go. Veneers. No. Me too. And I go, I don't know. Chicklet teeth?

I don't know. But then. they started to, it was like that situation where like... Did they try and convince you that it's different now? They're like it's different now. She tried to convince me that she was the one who... Only I can fix it. She said, she said, I, this is what I do.

I do veneers. Not like everyone else, not like other girls. And I was very like, okay. And then I went back and I was like, maybe I'll just do invisaline. Neither of you, unless there's like an underlying your shoot, neither of you, please don't get it. You don't need it. No, well, the reason is they were, because I, love tea and coffee. Yes. Oh, sure. And I have very porous teeth. Ah. So she was like, well, and she was like, if you're wanting, I was like, I, well, I'm not, I didn't ask for, I, I'll just take

what they are. Like, that's fine. Yeah, this is good with me. I'm doing all right. And I don't like to mess with like anything nose or mouth or anything, anything near my core, anything related that might interfere. Yeah. Because I have interviewed people that have had veneers and there's a slight Lisp sometimes. Not all the time, but sometimes. And I'm like, uh-oh. Yeah. You ever interview someone before and after they've had a lot of work and you're like,

oh my God. Oh my God. And you have to stare directly at their eyes and make sure nothing goes anywhere. You can't look anywhere else. You know what's worse, though? It's when women would come on and I'm like, I am like one of those people. I'm like, you should wear what you want to wear, be free, like whatever. My kids are like embarrassed in me.

I could live naked and be fine. Like I'm like, I don't do that. Okay. Nobody take my children for me. I'm like just like, around my house naked. But, like, I'm very comfortable in my skin. So I'm, like, I am down.

Like, whatever everybody wants to be. But when you sit down for an interview and your tautas are just out, it's hard not to look. Oh, please. We're boob gays. It's hard not to look. We're noted boob gays.

Yeah, I'm not even, like, checking you out. But it's just like, well, they're on display and they look nice. You glance. Yeah. And unless you're dally who loved it when people clogged her boobs, like it's tough.

You don't know, you don't know where people are at with their breasts. I know, and I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. It's just like, but they're there and they're out. And it's not my phone. It's like the line of my eyes are up here. It's like, well, your boobs are also out right there. They're right there.

And they look great. You know, congratulations. Well, I try to not. But yeah, when your interview, you're like, okay, don't look anywhere else with the eyeballs. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't, yes, I had a hard time with that. Yes. It's tough for the ADHD girls like us.

Yeah. We just want to, you know, I'm sorry. And I just looked at yours. I'm so sorry. It is. Did you bring your... Stop. Kelly.

Are you ready for your I don't think so honey? Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. So this is Kelly Clarkson's I don't think so honey. Her time starts now. Controversial, I don't care.

Here's the thing. I love AI. There are very amazing things with AI that I am obsessed with. But also, and I'm very into it artistically too, I have fun with it just like everybody else does. But when you see AI artists

competing on a chart with humans, I have an issue. I think there should be a separate chart. I think it's welcome. I think it's welcome to the table. I think it's really cool and creative what we're going to create with AI and musically and people that maybe can't do certain things

will be able to do it now. And then you'll get to, I think it's a fun field, like to play in. 30 seconds. But I don't think that they should be competing with humans. It's like basically like having Olympics and then you're having like people that like robots

can hit humans. Like, well, who's going to throw it further? Oh, I, wonder. 15 seconds. So I think it's, I'm down with it. And I think it's a very interesting thing. And what we're going to do with it is going to be fun.

But I do not think they should be competing. And that's one minute. I didn't know they were on the same charts. Apparently they are. Wow. They actually, did you see that crazy interview that CNN did with Tilly Norwood? And then she started speaking. She started speaking Cantonese in the middle of the interview.

So they interviewed. It's not a real person? No, it's an AI actress who basically like CNN interviewed as if she was real. this was absurd and they basically were like Tilly like do you have dreams of being nominated for an Oscar

and then she said something like Do you have dreams you could have stopped there? Then she goes she was they were asking her like what do you think when someone says something

like you're not a real actress or something and she goes well yeah that stung a bit I'm like you're not real and then it didn't sting But isn't it kind of fun to watch?

I don't know. Like, it's crazy to watch because in the middle, you didn't see this part, did you? Which part? Oh, when she started speaking. She started speaking Cantonese in the middle of the interview out of nowhere. And then, and then Pierce Morgan and this other guy are both like, Tilly, you just started speaking Chinese out of nowhere.

What happened? And she goes, sorry about that. It happens sometimes with me. And you're like, this is a joke. The fact that you called it out, it stung about it. It stung a bit. Here's the thing, though, it's not going anywhere. No, that's the thing.

It's not going anywhere, but I just think it shouldn't. I think it is interesting, and there's so many amazing scientific things that are happening. I don't think it's going anywhere, but I think that you have to be able to differentiate between, we can't lose human. You can't lose what that is. And there will always be an appetite for that. It's just, I, I, I, there can be an appetite for both, is what I'm saying. I just didn't realize they were both on the same chart, which is, that is crazy. Now I feel like, I didn't, I feel like somebody just showed me that.

No, no, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right. I feel like somebody, yeah. And I was like, okay, I don't mind them being on chart. But I feel like there should be separate ones because that's not, well, the same chart. It's not a human. It shouldn't come at the expense of a human achievement. You know what I mean?

Because to chart as an artist is a huge deal. You know what I mean? When you see that you are some, even to take one spot on a chart away from a Human artists that can, you know, my concerns with it are broadly safety, which now, because now they're saying things like, you know, we, like even the AI, like, heads of these companies are like, we need to be regulated. Like, just letting everyone know we do need to be regulated. Oh, yeah. And the government, obviously, you know, Trump is not going to regulate it because he wants to beat China. He created something yesterday or today. He was like, all right, maybe. But yeah, anyway. The race. The race might get us in trouble. Yeah. But anyway. But that. And then like, and then also like I do think in terms of human artistic opportunity, I don't, I think it's really important that we separate.

Because there's also a level of it though, too, that humans are using it to create as well. So that's why I'm not against. I don't want to, I don't want to be like, oh, I'm hardcore against it. I'm just hardcore against it. I think that there needs to be both can, I think both can exist. I think everybody's so like black and white about it. And it's like, or both can be creative and. completely different way.

Yeah. You know? Well, I mean, and the fact is, this is another part of it, which is the fact that they've been using it for a long, much longer time than I mean, even if you want to include people using AutoTune. Like, that's not, you know what I'm saying? That's altering it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it's been going on for a minute. I think people tend to separate it as like, oh, well, there's like data center sort of like usage and it is like completely recursive or it's just amassing all of these. different artistic outputs from like history and that's like the main difference but sure it's like it is this thing where it's like well then like where do you draw the line but yeah I mean I that is I guess I tend to I've switched over to Apple Music because I feel like Spotify does sort of like try to sneak in the AI stuff in their algorithms and I'm like I'm good on that and so but it's just it is weird that it's like all in the same that's only thing for me yeah I did I don't it's all of it can can be creative but it's

just like you have to have like you said the regulation of like respect and like also room. There's room for everything and you can't lose like the human element. I think that would be a shame. Absolutely. Well, it would be the death of if we lose the human element of it. It's like. Well, then the robots won. Yeah.

But then again, I mean, there are those. I don't know. I should leave that alone. No, you, you beat the robots by singing golden. No, I just mean that. But there is that thing that you said it's been happening for a while. there are those artists you see live and you're like, this doesn't sound like the record.

Oh, you are the Tilly Norwood of music. It's like, it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, no, I mean, I think, I'll tell you after it. But I think one of them's getting it pretty hard right now. But once again, though, it's like, it's how you consider the art. It's like, are you looking that as a vocalist? Are you looking at an art, an artistic thing? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Or are you looking at, like, how are you, you know? Sure. That's where I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we solved it. We solved it. We've, from now on, it's, it's separate.

It should be separate. Well, is there anything you want to tell us about, like, I don't know, when new music could come or like, what's the deal? We're working on it right now. But yeah, like I said, there's three, there's kind of three different things going on right now. Yeah. So, um, you're throwing us off the sand by saying there's three different things. Well, you didn't really talk about the third thing. Well, there's, well, so we're coming up on 25 years, which is interesting.

That's so interesting. And then and then there's something that the fans have been waiting for for years. Yeah. That is maybe in the works. It's interesting. And then there's like, I'm telling you what, like it's in the pop realm, but it's very different from anything I've ever vocally done that we're working on for another single. Because it's quiet. It's, yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not just quiet.

It's more like if you were like, you know, having a conversation with someone on the phone. It's like more like it's interesting. It's just different. It's a different approach where I was like, do I love this? Like this is not my vibe generally. And now you have so much time to explore things like that. And that's the thing too. We're playing.

You know? And that's why whenever people are like, oh, you're playing stagecoach, you're going country. And I'm like, I'm never going to just go one way. Because I remember actually whenever I did release a country single years ago, And Vince Gill was cool enough to be honest, called Don't Rush. But I pretty much was told to my face by the people that are the stations. They're like, unless you quit pop music, we're not going to play you on country. They're so brutal to women.

And I was just like, oh, well, I'm not going to do that. If somebody told me to never sing country music because I would never do that either. I was like, I'm never going to just like, I don't want to be limited. That's boring. We get one life. Like, I want to do whatever I want to do. In the words of Miley Cyrus. You can't be tamed.

Can't be tamed. She has a new song The whole album The bass persuades I have only heard the one song Is it all out yet or did you get out to The kids don't want of this I like it

It's gonna I think it's coming out soon Like this week can't The album is out Oh it's out yeah Are y'all seeing any live shows I'm seeing Ray Limitaine and Harry Styles coming out Oh my god

You did So good I'm going an October He is so you just watch him And you're like I love him You just sit there and wave You know what I just saw

That you would have loved And you would have loved the Daisy Chain Fields Festival that Olivia Rodriguez did. No, I didn't know about that. It was like Lilith Ver came back. Oh. So she did a whole festival.

She programmed a whole festival. She had Dochi Chapel Rhone. That Olivia came out and she brought out Sarah McLaughlin and Alanis Morissette and Stevie Nix. Well, she was like, I'm just going to bring out every goddess that ever.

She's influenced us, yeah. Have you listened to her album? You seem pretty sad for a girl so in love. Are you talking about Olivia? Yes. Oh, yeah. I know I like my but actually both my kids

not just my daughter yeah my kids and I love her yeah she's fabulous album yeah they're showing us that you have to go so we love you we thank you so much for coming yeah I love it this is my one day I'm working fabulous

it's my one day they got me in hair and makeup oh my god it was funer I know I can talk to you forever I love it thank you for having me and you honestly that mug I drink all my I joke here it does yes okay so

Just coffee. Watch the voice. Where is it? The voice, season 30. Season 30. I know. 30, bait? Oh my God.

I hope I'm up their asses. Yeah. Better. My team is good. Hey, Latifah, you're on burn notice. Oh my God, I love her. I know. She's the best.

Yeah, I love her. She's such an incredible singer that people don't realize. Such a good singer. I'm an actor and rapper, like all the things. She said hi to you at Thanksgiving, right? What? She was at Thanksgiving. Queen Latifah?

Latifah? At the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. Oh, I don't know that she said hi to me. Oh my God. We met years ago at a press junket for the secret life of bees. I thought for a minute that like you had Thanksgiving with her and forgot. Did you say how to her at Thanksgiving dinner? Dinner.

What? That seems like something you would remember. Of course. Latif, I just call her Dana. Dana. Okay. In honor of her. You and I.

T. Y. Yes. In honor of her, we end every episode with the song. Oh my God. When you're good. To mama. My God Yes

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