Substack Exclusive: Making the Paranormal Normal | Mystic Michaela
00:03Hi, I'm I'm Bialli.And I'm Jonathan Cohen.And welcome to our breakdown.Today we're sharing something very special that was previously only available over on Substack.It's a conversation with Mystic Michaela, who we've spoken to before.This was available on Jonathan's practical spirituality page.Mystic Michaela has recently released the Encyclopedia of Energy Healing, an A to Z guide to spiritual elements and how to use them.And this conversation covers everything from, can you connect?
00:33to someone's energy when they aren't in the room to what does Jonathan's aura reveal?We did a deep dive. It was such a fun conversation. Mystic Michaela and I also talk aboutnegative entities, clearing negative entities, and how to use a pendulum and form your own intuition.This is a really great conversation and we're so excited to share it with you. Also, if you wantin on more conversations like this that we're having with the Miami-Belix breakdown community,sometimes with surprise guests, find them over on Substack.page is practical spirituality, and we are Myambialx breakdown on Substack.And now enjoy this conversation with Mystic Michaela.
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02:23I'm so excited to be here today.We first connected, I think it waslike almost four years agowhen you came on the main podcastand we titled an episodeOur aura is realor do you know your aura?And if I look back,
02:39we weren't doing this type of content back then.I don't know what happenedor how we ended up pulling you in.I forget the origin story.But that episode struck a chord with people.And all of a sudden,we were talking about things that wereenergetic, mystical,
02:58extra sensory, and you were one of the first guests to do it and introduce that to our audience.I love that. I love it. You know, making the paranormal somewhat normal. I remember at the end of thatepisode being like, whoa, they asked questions. I've never been asked before, which was so cool,so deep diving. And I was just on the Tamron Hall show not that long ago. And they were showing clipsfrom that podcast on the show. Like, people really love that episode, like with you guys,how you were asking me questions. And she was, Tamara Hall was asking me about, oh, it's Jonathan,Mayam's colors, like how, you know, how you guys work. And it was really, it was fun. So I love howwhen things live a little longer to greet a few more people. I think that that's cool.
03:43Your background is as a fourth generation psychic medium, specializing in oras. Can you tellpeople a little bit about your background? Because when I found out about how you grew up,I was just kind of blown away because you just grew up in a very different environment.than most people either have or even know people who have, right?A lot of people come to these experiences either later in life.What was it like for you growing up?Can you tell us a little bit about the people around youand sort of how this was a part of your life and your family?
04:16I grew up Buffalo, New York, a very strict Catholic family.But there was this secret, right?And the secret was there is this extrasensory ability.that a lot of people in the family had.And it was something that we talked about, you know, within the family,but not really outside of the family because, again, very Catholic.So I grew up very strict religious upbringing.But with this little caveat, like, well, we just don't talk about that.
04:45But yes, of course, it's true.So I grew up talking about dead people on the other side visiting you.This is normal.This is, you know, they're just people who have something to say.Energy around you.what can affect you, what you can take in that can make you sick.What can take what energy can do to you just as, this was logical conversations growing up.And how to trust your instincts about people too.
05:12You know, if you feel something, it means something.And so all this was just part of my upbringing.My mom did readings.Her brother did readings.My grandmother was a psychic.And it was just something that was very normal.But honestly, I didn't want any part of it.I believed it.
05:28I just didn't want to be seen because I'm very sensitive and feeling the judgment.And then also growing up with like, don't tell anybody, everybody will hate you.You won't be accepted into community and whatnot.So that, I think that really did stick with me.So I actually went, I got my bachelor's and master's in Spanish education.I was teaching middle school children Spanish for years.And I love teaching, but I was using, that's not all connected because.I see my main thing that I do is I see colors, life force energies around people in color.
06:04Okay, I just see them.And so when I was teaching kids, I was like, hey, wait a second, this is finally making sense into a practical use of this ability.I always just kind of used it to judge character or, you know, have relationships with people or communicate better for myself.But now I'm looking, I'm like, oh my gosh, purple kids, you know, they need to learn the language by doing a theater.reenactment of, you know, in the restaurant or yellow orchids, they really benefit from grammarinstruction. So, and then I was arranging my seating arrangements, you know, with, withaura colors and whatnot. So I was using it, but then what happens is, is it gets bigger, right? And youstart feeling in a box, because I loved using it for differentiating education. I absolutely
06:54loved using it for that. But it was more than that because the parents would come in.And all of a sudden I feel drawn to tell them like, oh, you're treating your blue kid like he's a red.You know, he's not Mr. Sports.That's not going to happen for him.And that's not a problem he has.It's a problem you have about him.This isn't you think.So I was feeling all that.
07:17And I couldn't say it because that's not the context to do that, obviously.It's not the role of the Spanish teacher.Yeah.Can you imagine, Signora crazy?Like that's what I would have looked like.And so I was like, forget that.I took, and it was hard.You know, it was kind of like a bumper couple of years for me after that where I was like,
07:39I don't know what to do.I don't know what to do with this.And I kind of centered back to my family where this is normal.This is not something that has to be squashed.This is something I can be authentic about and own it.And this is something that.I can be out about and help people find their own way through the contexts I can provide for them.So it's like teaching still, but with spirituality instead.
08:13It feels like the teenager is going to rebel against what the family does, right?If the family is a bunch of lawyers, you're going to be an artist.If the family is a bunch of psychics, you're going to go in the opposite direction.Exactly.But then life grew you into an environment where you basically got to test this.And you got to see, wait a second, it's not going anywhere.It's part of who you are.And then the journey of coming out of the quote unquote spiritual closet into a public forum.
08:40How old were you when you stepped sort of out and reembrace this aspect of yourself?Yeah, I want to say that was around 31 or 32.It's also the right age, right?Like I think people who are too young and are trying to, like, it's hard, right?It's hard to hold the criticism because still back then, the conversation is different now.Right?You can build a micro community in a way that you couldn't before.Back then, you're still in the mainstream world and people are going to cast their criticism and their judgment.
09:17And I think it's challenging for anyone at any age, but especially when you're younger.100%. It's gotten much easier as I've gotten older and, and you know, you just feel more confident in yourself. I think that's a big part of it. Also, when I started really doing this, it was around 2013. So there's the social media world isn't as big as it is now, obviously. And community is more kind of who you see. So the branching out was a challenge, I guess at first. But, you know, it's interesting because my mom, who was a psychic and my uncle who is too, they would do.their own kind of ways locally of creating community.And so it's just, it's interesting how it will find a way in different contexts,but you're absolutely right.Being older, you know, and I see this a lot with a lot of people, actually, 30, 31, 32.It's some sort of like awakening.It's some sort of, I don't know if it has to do with like Saturn Return or something
10:14like that, all of a sudden you're just like, oh, wait a second.And for a lot of us, even if you're not practicing spirituality or something in kind of an outwardcontext, even in your own life, I feel like that's when it really amplifies.So there's something with the voice of self that can now speak for the higher self or the soul self,which I think is relevant.I have a hard time with things drastically changing because I like an equilibrium, right?I like adventure.I like novelty, but I like an equilibrium.
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14:02order of AG1 NextGen or AG1 Pro.That's drinkag1.com slash breakdown.And after checkout, be sure to let them know,that myambiolics breakdown sent you.Isn't that amazing how we can we can look back and see that kind of insights?It kind of makes me sometimes nervous.Like, what am I, what am I clinging on to right now that I really shouldn't be?Like, what should I let go?
14:25It's all that stuck energy that I feel like our ego selves love comfort.And it's a beautiful part.We have, you know, I get it.I think it's a part that we should all honor about ourselves.The ego self loves comfort.It wants to keep you safe, you know, but it does that by preventing growth in a lot of ways.And so it's really stressful when it does shake it up because, but then you're right.You see what a roadblock it was.
14:52So you have written a new book, which I have, and it's a beautiful book.And I want to talk about it because it says A to Z guide to spiritual elements and how to use them.Because it can be overwhelming, right?It's like, well, do I use herbs and aromatherapy or do I want about crystals?And then there are even other things, and I have so many things earmarked here,numerology, dream interpretation, aura readings.This is a deep dive.And also, it's beautifully printed.
15:25So, first of all, congratulations on that.But before we get into specifics of all my dog-geared pages, let's go woo for a minutebecause you're the person to do it with.What is my aura looking like right now?I don't mean to put you on the spot,but I think you see it anyway.I absolutely love it.Yeah, I see it all the time anyhow.
15:45All right, so looking at you,so you're normally,I always see green and indigo around you.Right now, it's a lot of indigo.So what does that mean?And when I see indigo around somebody,it is emotionally psychic,like emotionally absorbent.
15:59But you're green, too,which is an ability.I sometimes I call it the engineer mind.So an ability to take a step back and see the system of that.These are very opposing energies.It's kind of like the ability to see something from an eagle eye view and the ground view at the same time.And it can be, it's like an amazing broad perspective, but it can like what you said,keep you stuck because it's very much, oh gosh, you see both extreme ends of everything at the same time.
16:30But right now, your indigo is very indigo.So, and it's kind of overwhelming.Which is the bird's eye view, the green or the blue?The green is the up and the emotional and interesting.And so with indigo, it's like feeling other people's feelings as your own.And then it can be very hard to separate what you want from what others want from youbecause they can feel like the exact same motivation.that is probably the hardest part about being an indigo understanding.
17:03Did I do that for me or did I do that because I knew it was expected of me?It can feel the exact same thing until you really take time in life and focus on it,which I feel like you have.But you're very indigo right now.And it's very normal for ORIS to kind of switch balancing based on what's going on.I feel like right now just in your head a lot and then just doing that processing where it's,okay, these are my feelings.hang on. I'm not trying to squash them. I'm not trying to change them. I'm not trying to organize them. I'm just
17:35trying to live them and study and reflect and see what they are, which I think is the best.But you're a prime example of indigo, I don't know, pat on the back I'm giving you. Because I feel like with you,you have this ability to sit with it and not try to put in a box or fix it or solve it. It's just kind of like,let's just be. I'll say with indigo's like you, whatever is,percolating right now. Sometimes it's like write down how you feel. And then I say like,Indigo's need five to seven business days to make a decision about this. You're like, how I feel rightnow is not how I'm going to feel five to seven business days from now. It's just not.Exactly. Sometimes I will forget how I felt right now. I literally, I'll be like, what were we?
18:22We were, oh yeah, that was really bothering me. But like, it will take me like a while to even remember thatthat was the thing. I just like totally forget. That is so indigo. It's just like, and then you lookback and you're like, oh man, you know, Thursday was a day. And then all of a sudden, it's Monday andyou're like, ah, I'm good. You know, I got my game plan. I had my clarity. And then that's like thegreen kicked in and the indigo calmed out. But you let yourself process it and you let yourselftake what you needed. These are skills that are age, self-awareness, you know, reflection, all like lifelived experiences, all these things really helped the indigo. And then the other thing with you,just the way your indigo is, it's kind of stormy right now. So I have a feeling that every once in a while,
19:09whatever you're going through feels like it happens every once in a while. So and then you're like,man, like, why didn't I deal with it that day? Like I felt like this before, you know, and,and this comes up and, you know, and it doesn't come up often, but when it does, I'm so mad at mypast self for not, you know what I mean? Like, because I feel like you can kind of, it's like jumping into the same weather.And they're like, ah, why did I do this?Yeah.But it subsides.
19:34So it's kind of a recycled event, it feels like.You're indigo right now.But it's a good day to have a thumbs stack lives because you're feeling the feels.So I think that's good.It's so crazy because, as I mentioned, yesterday was like a freaking day, especially.And it came into today still being like, you know, grinding the gears a little bit.And I'm like, okay.But I get to talk to you.
19:58I get to just be here.I get to chat about things I love chatting about with an amazing community.Okay.And what's fascinating is that like I wondered yesterday while I was in such emotion,I was also like flipping between,okay, I'm going to look at the system on how I got here and what am I going to changein order to prevent this and I'm going to not do this and then I'm back into myand switching back and forth as like a creative.
20:21I'm always, you know, I'm running and I'm producing as well as in the detail.So like I'll go hyperfocus, which is like very, very,very indigo, very emotional how is this going to feel,and then back up to the system of how we got there.And so I always feel like I'm going like this.And so to have that reflected externally in a color system that you can see,imagine that though, right?Like just if everyone thinks for a second that their internal world
20:49could be mirror reflected and it's just like as plain as day to someone who can see it,we're not hiding, right?Like we're all these mirrored systems that, like, have a frequency that is seen.And even if people don't have your ability to see it clearly like a sign,they're sensing it and bumping up to it.I say just because it's like you can pretend that it doesn't exist,but everyone's interacting with it.100%.
21:19Like, I just happen to see life force energies in color.That's all.Everybody feels life force.energies. And every single light force energy has a vibrational frequency because I was a teacher.I've walked it back to kind of a personification. It's a language of sorts, you know, that I'vebeen trying to just allow people to utilize to understand their own authentic ways that they viewthe world. There's no wrong way to do something. There's no right way to do something. There's justyour authentic way to do something. But yes, we are kind of.
21:56constantly bumping up different, different vibrational frequencies, how they're seeing things.It's different how you are seeing things. It really, I feel like assists with miscommunication.I hear all the time a lot of parent-children stuff. Like, oh, I understand my mom so much better now.Because she has these tendencies, right?Yeah, she has these tendencies. And then all of a sudden it's like, okay, it's annoying, but now I get that.That's how she has a relationship with the world.She's not doing this to me. She's just being.right? Like how much of people's being this do we take as something they're doing to us?
22:33Yeah. And then maybe that mom is like that mom, I'll just, I'm going to throw yellows under the bus.Maybe yellow mom asks a ton of questions all the time. She's always like, and this, and this, and this, and this, and did you do this? And did you do this? And did you do this? And what about this? And what about this? And then it really bothers you. And you're like, oh, my gosh. And then you internalize it as an inner critic. Like, oh, you know. And then now anybody else who's yellow with the world,One, you're probably comfortable with and two, probably triggered by the same time.Right.You can walk it back and you're like, oh, that's just that vibrational frequency that Mr.Michaela calls yellow, but I feel it as analytically intense, you know, we're curious to a fault like that.Like, okay, I got it.Curious to a fault.
23:17And then you can walk it back and then they're like, well, no, I don't personalize it.And now it's just kind of cute and funny to me.Like, you know, it kind of takes the power away a little.Do you remember what color mine was?Yes.So you guys are interesting because you guys are the same colors, but opposite balance.So you guys have a yin-yang thing kind of going on.She's more green.
23:37But she's so emotional.Our green is emotional.Yeah.Like, the way I see her is, and we talk about this on the podcast, too, she to me startsvery green, like very focused, very, like, laser-specific, very, like, laser-specific, very,like,very specific, yeah.Yeah, like talking to my, I am,
24:00because that was my first time I ever speaking with her,ever, it's like she honed in on me.And then she can dissect you in a little bitly and how does this work?Yeah.What's the mechanism and what part of your brain is opening for you to see this stuff?Yeah, I went like under a microscope.It wasn't unpleasant, but it was, it was very like,who, okay.
24:22But you did have to reattach your brain once you were,I'm like, okay. Now, talking to Jonathan, you see me too, you know, like I, and I feel like your community feels you seeing them too. But it's, it's, it's kind of being seen in a more of a feely way, like kind of emotional or what are you doing today? Or it's more, it's like a softer kind of and not one's better than the other. It's just a different type of way that you see people. So kind of enter in, this is probably why you're, you are, you are,have such an awesome little community over here on the stack because people feel comfortable hereand people feel safe and people feel heard and you're green too and I'll give this to Greens.Conversations are welcome and people won't get so emotional about it if that makes sense.So you have a great combo for, well, let's talk.You don't have to agree with it or disagree with it.Let's just talk, you know, like that.
25:21And it's a safe place for people to explore things that,otherwise they might be nervous to say out loud.So I like that about how you do things here.Is there a best match that you've seen works the best,or is it always sort of different combinationsare going to fit together differently?Yeah, it really does depend.I feel like on, like so many, there's outside factors too, right?
25:47Like programming, how you're raised and stuff like that.Of course.Yeah, I feel like it's very, I don't usually see a lot of similar aura colorsin relationships.I think that, I think it's...There needs to be a balance.Usually, yeah, but I think you guys balance it in a different way.I think it's just because you guys could, like,
26:04usually like similar or a combo can be so similarthat sometimes if you're both green,at the same time, it's like, boom,or if you're both indigo, it's like, ah, you know, like that.So it can be a little bit, yeah,but it really does depend.One of the most common questions people haveis about intuition and,
26:24processing information that may not be obvious, that they either didn't grow up with,they're starting to get intuitive signals or they're starting to see synchronicity andthey're saying, what is it trying to tell me? How do I navigate it? Or they're starting to meditateand even they may connect with a guide. Can we start with the person who wants more intuition butisn't getting it and then talk about the person who may be getting a ton of intuitive stuffand can't sort through it? What advice do you have for them?All right. So if you want to get more intuitive, I mean, you feel like you're not. My advice is you are. You just think you have to do it in a different way than you already operate. So I see people, for example, who have a more logical brain and that's how they operate. They think that, oh, I'm not, I'm not, you know, like in a flowy dress on a hill receiving spirit guide visitations, you know, and I'm floating up with unicorns. You know, it's like they think that's how it's, you know, they think that's how it's.it works and no, you're getting your intuition through your own gut feelings, through how you
27:32interpret the world, and through being real with yourself. I think the biggest problem is ego voiceversus intuitive voice. And I always say ego voice is not the first voice, but it is the loudestvoice. And intuitive voice is the first voice, but it's quiet. That's kind of my guideline foreverybody now. Let's say, what was your other one? You're very intuitive. Well, just before weget there, I just want to reflect that I love that it's not, you're not intuitive. You just may begetting signs in a way that you don't expect as intuitive signs. I just started doing some one-on-oneopening up some one-on-one intuitive coaching sessions with this community, which I've been just blownaway by. And I was working with someone, a technologist, super engineer brain. And he was
28:23expressing that in business, he was always at the right spot, at the right time. He knew exactlythe next step to take. And I was like, that's totally clear intuition. And I was like, well,how did it come to you? Well, and he explained it came by knowing exactly what not to do. The processof elimination made everything super clear. Like, that was an obvious next step because everythingelse was like, we wouldn't do that. And you wouldn't think that that is intuition, but it's a verystrong felt sense. I'm glad you brought that up because I'll tell people.people. So they'll, or they'll try to use their intuitive voice in places they're not comfortableusing it, but maybe start paying attention to where you are comfortable using it, like in business,
29:02or like, let's say you're a nurse. And you know which patient's going to give you the hard timebefore they, second you walk in that, how do you know that? Right there, that is your intuition.Now go use that when you're dating, like that kind of a thing. So it's a little bit like,oh, I am being intuitive. Oh, I do know what I'm doing. Holy, holy.cow, like, this is a gift. I just only am comfortable using it like, like, yes, in like a workcontext or somewhere where there, it's less focused or, or sometimes if you want it in a placereally bad, it's harder to use your intuition there. But I love, thank you for bringing that,because that is a good and intuitive kind of tutorial for people. I even started using it
29:48for myself. I'm like, okay, if I have all these options in front of me, instead of feeling whatam I totally drawn towards? Because I feel like, you know, again, the white dress on a hill scenario,we have this vision of what intuition is supposed to be. My heart is supposed to open and I'm supposedto flow towards it just gently gliding across the ground without my feet even touching.And all of a sudden I'm like basking in light. It may be that there are four choices in front of me,three of them or two of them are hard nose. One of them is like a little sticky. And the other one is likea little unsure but more open.That more open may be that's the next step
30:27and more information is going to be revealedand you don't know everything yet,but the others are definitely not.That's intuition.This actually happened before where I've made a decisionand just is actually connected back to the five to seven business days.I've made a decision that I thought was intuition.And I was like, oh, great.
30:47And then a day later I feel totally stuck and limited.I'm like, oh, I just felt back because that was the thing that my brain could imagine.It couldn't imagine anything beyond that.And actually, it's going to be really bad.The fact that you can recover from it and then learn and now you have that amazing tool for next time,it's definitely a trial and error.The more you know yourself and the more you sit with like experiences where like,ooh, that was me just in my comfort zone, you know, that was an emotional decision.
31:17That was an intuitive.Like the more you sit with yourself and then like just like own it, the next time it's like,oh, there it is.That's so, it's so clear the more you do it.Time and space that we want decisions to become clear to us in our time, in our, like,we're like, I just need to get this done off my list.So I'm going to make a choice.And I don't have all the info, but I'm just going to, I'm going to use my intuition.
31:39And that's going to be the thing.And sometimes that's great because you can sort of almost put a place holder.I think a bit of as like as long as you're not signing the $100,000 checkover,like if you can just in your mind say this is the thing I'm going to do,but then allow that time to pass so that you can be like,is that still the thing that feels resonant or not?Because time, over time, you know, the energy shifts,our relationship, another part of ourselves may come online
32:08and actually say, I hear that that's what you felt in the moment,but there actually could be something else.Yeah.A lot of talking to yourself.I love that.I feel like that's the main thing.Know yourself and then have those conversations with yourself.Sometimes I do like Future Me.
32:27That's another thing I'll do.Like is future me okay with this decision?What does future me say about this?If I was talking to myself like my child, you know, okay, if I'm my mother, what do I say to myself?So sometimes I try to take myself out of it too because usually we're so good at helpingother people, but we can get stuck in ourselves. So taking yourself out of it a bit can help.But yeah, ego is the loudest voice, not the first voice. That's kind of my go-to.What about people who are getting a ton of information or overwhelmed and can't quite understand?
33:03You've spoken about seeing numbers and patterns of numbers. What if people are like, oh, there's a 222and there's this and there's that and what does it mean and like just feeling overwhelmed?Yeah. And it can be like an.overload too. And then sometimes you can get almost inundated with it where I saw two to two,two like 40 times. What does that mean? What does it mean? You know, like that. And it's, okay,so if you're getting a ton of signs, you can also, and intuitive thoughts, I always like separatethem. So, oh, I love, I love numerology, by the way. Like, and signs are totally a thing. I feel like withsigns, it's kind of sometimes they don't mean what you think they mean. Sometimes it could mean
33:43someone's just like, hey, I'm here, you know, or we're supporting you or you're tapping into afrequency, but you will get so stuck on, that must mean I am going to get the job or I'm notgoing to get the job or, you know, we kind of try to assign something a little bit too hyper,to a desired result, which can make us overwhelm. So if you're getting a lot of signs,my advice is take a beat, ask yourself, is this my higher self? You know, so that's like yoursoul self, your eternal you? Is this, are these angels, you know, or your spirit guys,your spirit team? Is this someone on the other side talking to me? Is it a loved one who'spast? Because those three things all feel different. They have subtleties. You can always ask for
34:29clarification. You know, you can say, I need clarification what this means. I need clarification,who is speaking to me. I need clarification, where this information is coming from. And just like kind of take astep back and know that that clarification will come without you having to be so hyper lookingfor it as well. Because I've been like that. I feel like a lot of people who are naturallypsychic, intuitive, absorbent, I'm sure you can really, like it's, it just, it comes at youand then it can make you anxious. This is the most extreme as you can get into a spiritual,like a spiritual psychosis where you're like, what's happening in this? And there's,this energy and that person's pulling me and I feel drawn and I'm hearing that person's what they
35:17need and you're like, okay, I need to know how to contain myself, how to know what's relevant.We all have blinders on which prevent us from accessing all of the information in the world.And as those blinders loosen a little bit, we can have really amazing, helpful information.But like, we have to know how to protect ourselves.Yes.Ground ourselves.Ground ourselves.Be present.
35:42and be still and clear the mechanism of it.I think that's a good one, too.I'm clearing the mechanism.And then sometimes I notice with really intuitive people,they'll go through times where there's so much, so much, so much.And then it feels like nothing.I always say that's when you're supposed to really listen to yourself.You know, if you feel like, I used to see all these signs and now I'm getting no signs.
36:05Or I used to feel my grandma and now I'm not feeling her.Well, then it's kind of time to maybe go inside, listen to yourself.and get familiar with you and your voice.It's a good time when it's calm to do that.It doesn't have to be signs, a bombardment of signs all the time.You don't need to keep that pace to still have a connection to spirit or your intuition.Let's open our books, everybody.The first page that I have earmarked is Dream Interpretation and Dream Journals.
36:38You have a description.You have a history and lore and uses.Can you tell us a little bit about your experience with dreams, interpreting dreams?Do you get intuitive information through dreams?Help us know what people should be thinking about.If you're a lucky one that dreams, not everybody remembers their dreams,but if you remember your dreams, I've noticed that a really good thing to do is to,I mean, a lot of this is, we've heard this before, okay?
37:04And there's different types of dreams.There's like big symbolism ones.And a lot of times you can sit there and you can wake,up and I often say you don't even have to have a journal is your thing, jot it down, bear chasingme. Or maybe you just grab your voice memo and you're like, bear was chasing me. I was in acabin on a hill that was raining. Like try to get as many details as you can act. Because kind of goingback to that, you may notice just with symbolically, oh wow, you know what? That conversationwith my coworker bothered me a lot more than I thought it did.
37:41And all of a sudden you're like, what? That actually really stuck with me. That conversation might not have meant anything in the scheme of things, but the reaction I had is subconscious and it needs to be examined. So it's kind of like a little puzzle pieces. I feel like having dream reflection, dream journals, dream recordings can help you with. Because a lot of this is related, you know, I always say I have my foot on the ground. You know, I love therapy. I love. I love.I love doctors. I love all that 100%. But I feel like we have to do some of the work ourselves.And this to me, it sounds woo-woo, but it's really just looking at what's going on in your subconsciousand you're subliminal and how it can help you kind of take charge of your energy, your subconsciousand merge the two together. So we're not hiding from ourselves, which is a big part of when you'refeeling disconnected or isolated. And that helps you connect with yourself. I've noticed.And we've had other guests talk about this, is that when you're priming the pump by either having the journal beside your bed to give yourself the opportunity to capture your dreams or you're in the practice, when you're setting the intention, wait a second, whatever comes I want to be available for it.Like intuition, where you say, I'm going to build this relationship, it shows up more and more.
39:05Yeah, you kind of dog your it the next time you have a dream, you're like, ooh, that's important.And you get better at it, yes.This is not dog-eared, but I have ESP here as the next one after dreams.Extrasensory perception.Is that all intuitive information for you?Tell us a little bit about how you understand extrasensory.Is it communicating with the dead?Is it feeling like what does it encapsulate?
39:36Yeah, I feel like in the book, you know, I wanted to kind of write it.so everybody could take it and then go their own direction with it, obviously,because it's going to be a little bit different depending on how you work as a person and whatnot.I feel like with ESP or extra sensory perception, it's like we were talking about before the frequencies people give off.And how to connect with frequencies that aren't necessarily in front of you,maybe connecting with frequencies from somebody who is in a different state, you know,people who are not in communication with you anymore, people who have even passed or even differenttimelines. And that's when you get real, real woo-woo.
40:18You know, when I first learned how to do distance energy, what was it? It was in your mind's eye,connecting with that person and the notion of time and space existing eliminates. And so I actuallystarted doing this in a very tangible way with, I had a very old dog. And I would say,sit in the next room and I would connect with the dog and I'd be like oh my gosh I could and then I wasusing myself as a reflection or a mirror where I would feel and physically oh I would feel physicallydifferent in my body when I would connect with her and then I would sort of poke my head around the cornerand she was often sleeping and as I would connect with her her little legs would start to shake and so shewould do some sort of processing and so I would do this twice three times a day sometimes and it
41:06was this unbelievable proof to me that as I went into that space and connected with her,I got this tangible result, right? Because sometimes we're like, are we making it up?And my answer is no and yes. You're using your mind in an imaginative state to then try and connect,but that connection is very real as you tap into whatever frequency you're tapping into.Yeah. Wow. Because you do distance healing.right? Yeah, well, I started learning then. I started learning when I was 18 and 19 talking aboutisolation. This was a long time ago before 2000 and no one was talking about this and I grew up in a veryconservative world and everyone at high school kids were not thinking about sending distance
42:00Reiki to a dog and having their legs to it.You sound like you'd be my best friend in high story.Like, I like Jonathan.People were like, my arm hurts.I'm like, can I try?They're like, what are you talking about?Yeah, you're like, no, no, dude.This isn't going to.
42:22So I had to compartmentalize quite a bit.But it starts to open our minds having that tangible example.Well, let's say there's a rift with someone who things that haven't gone well for whatever reason.you may be in and there's unresolved issues can you with permission asking their higher self it'sif it's okay can i send an energy of apology and start to make amends in a way that may translateright part of them may hear that and soften a little bit and that misunderstanding may be able toshift what other ways can we can we do that how do you how do you think about it in terms ofmultiple timelines yeah and i love what you're saying about like
43:05closure with people are connecting, giving a closure in higher self. And it's interesting to see whenyou do that, if they kind of pop back in, like, oh, I was thinking about you because it's a very,you know, that's kind of like the tangible proof. But timelines, I feel like there is, and I seethis a lot with people who are deep diving in their family history or their family trees orfamily ancestral trauma. Family just see.And all of a sudden, you're in, you know, you're in the genealogy. You're doing family tree. You'reany ancestry or whatever. And you're starting to feel the personalities of people you've nevermet before. And you're starting to get, I don't know, you'd get these little thoughts,
43:53but they're not quite your thoughts. You know, so you're connecting with people from differenttimelines. You're connecting with people, like almost frequencies, not just from them on theother side speaking to you, but frequencies from when they were alive and from when they were havingtheir own parallels in life to what you're picking up on, that haven't, nothing really ever goes away,you know, or even frequencies from your own past. So I feel like you can, you can even send yourenergy back to your own past and, and see different perspectives of that time. And like, maybewhen you were six, you know, like, oh, my gosh, I'm seeing a whole different perspective of thattimeline. And it's something that can provide a lot of insight and reflection and closure and
44:37perspective. I'm like jumping in because I actually, I'm not sure if it's clear just how profoundand expansive what you're talking about is because it's so huge, right? The first point isnothing ever goes away. So if you imagine that, then all of the parts of ourselves were whateverage we were still exist in some format and that resonance is important.impacting us. That's a parallel idea to the needing to reparent or reconnect with the childlikeparts of myself who may be injured. So if you think about your emotional experience timeline,and sometimes there's a therapeutic exercise that says, plot your life from zero to nowand mark the most poignant emotional memories, good or bad, well, those exist still now and
45:27have a resonance on you, what would it be like for you to go revisit that, go back?into that timeline as your adult best, most grounded, integrated self and revisit that.What would that look like?So that's like a huge endeavor right there just to think about those patterns influencinghow we react right now, how our intuition is guided.If you think about your family timeline and what you said, which I experienced throughconstellation groups, which was like wild, was that those dynamics for people,we may never have met, we can be playing out now in a way that reflects the energy that has been
46:12passed down.That's like terrifying and also liberating.Like it's kind of, you know, it's both, which I love that feeling.I think it's liberating because it means that it's not all random, right?It's just like actually these things, there was, there was.was a map and the map has just been transformed and it's weathered a little bit, but like we'reactually kind of all on this path that feels somewhat designed, but we don't realize the designbecause we haven't felt into it and the design is kind of, you know, hidden from us, but it can be
46:51revealed. It's a comfort in a way if you're okay with a surrender, being present until living in thein-between. I like how you said it's like a weathered map. It could change.There could be little vacillations here and there, little topography variations,but you are headed towards some key points.And it's kind of like, you know, just let it go.And then you'll get there.But I feel like you can visit those future timelines.It's interesting because even in my own life, there's certain things I know that will happen.
47:23They're very mundane.And I try to cling to them as almost like buoys in an ocean.Okay, yeah, that, we just got to get to there.It doesn't matter how you get there.And the path is really up to you, just like on water.You know, the path is up to you.But we're headed in that direction.But that's interesting because you can connect to those moments,
47:43even though they haven't happened yet, like a closed loop kind of situation.That's interesting.I had an experience maybe half a year ago where I was in a therapy session doing a visualizationand my therapist said, visit yourself in your 60s.Where are you?What are you doing?And my first reaction is like, what are you talking about?I kind of relaxed into it a little bit.
48:06Again, is it imagination?Is it me?There was a vision of myself at that age.And I kind of looked more like my dad than I do now, right?Like my dad, who was in his 80s.And I saw myself and I felt that version of myself.And I was happy.And I was just like I was out and I was actually near an ocean and I was on a patio.
48:29and I was having breakfast.And I felt the rhythm of my dayand it didn't feel stressfuland it kind of pulled me out of whatever distressI was having in the moment saying,oh, there's a buoy there.There's a tether to some other version of myselfthat feels so real.
48:47I don't know how I get there.I don't know what the path is.It doesn't eliminate what I'm going through now.But it just pulls me out of this enoughto be like there's some versionthat has already gone through all of them.this that I can feel connected to.Yeah, and he's okay.
49:04That's interesting that you felt the feelings of the day and the routine of the day.I feel like that's a big tell for that's real.That isn't imagination.That's real.Like the perspective feeling is really powerful.I've revisited that version of myself at times where things feel unsettled and almost said,what does that person want me to know on how to navigate what I'm going through right now?I never go to the future that far.
49:31This is the first time I've ever done that.That's crazy.Yeah.Yeah.I see for me, I see my future grandson and my kids are nowhere near that age to do that.Yeah.But like I see my future grandson and he's with us all the time.And it's like I know his personality.
49:48I see the day with him.It's weird, you know, but it provides me a lot of comfort because I'm like, oh, this is good.You know, like whatever.I don't know the surrounding context about it, but I know that.at that moment, that relationship's real.I love that. I mean, I can't see next year by seeing myself at 60.Let's do an easy one.Pendulums.
50:09Pendulums, and I like dousing rods quite a bit because I think they're super fun.I have a pair.I didn't bring them to this session.I should have.Tell us about a pendulum if someone doesn't know what it is.I think it's a cool tool.I've also seen people be overly reliant on them, right?Like you're like, you don't want to be the person who can't make a single decision
50:26without your pendulum.Tell us about the pendulum.the pros and maybe even the cons also.So pendulum is like a crystal on a chain, basically.And there's a variety of materials you can use to do this.And a certain way that it moves indicates yes or no or maybe to your question.Or you can use it to kind of test balance on your body and energy centers and whatnot.To use a pendulum and all these things, I like to rely on my own connection always.
50:57And I always encourage people, don't outsource your connection.You know, that's like a big, and I know you do too.It's like, this is a personal power.Like you are in the vessel.You are the conduit.But these tools like crystals or pendulums or anything, to me, it's kind of like an extensionyour energy can use to give clarity, to assist you in inspiration or inspired thought.And to kind of just give you maybe a nudge you need to move a little forward, just a little bit.
51:27And it's just kind of waits for the universe to come in and have a bit of a conversation with you as well.So they're tools.They're just, it's just a tool.Just like when I use a brush to brush my hair, but my hair is mine, that is a tool.You know, that's how I use them.And they're so pretty, though.And you can really go, you can go.You can have so much fun at the Crystal Shop and get the prettiest pendulum.
51:50And they're just so much fun to have.And sometimes I'll use one just like, you know, it's kind of like when you flip a quarter and,You're like, heads, heads I'll go, tails I won't.But you know, you know what it is when you're disappointed, you know?Yeah, yeah.To pendulums are like the same to me.It's like, when you see it, you're like, yeah, I already knew that, you know, like that.And it's just kind of like, oh, right, you know, and it just kind of seals the deal.
52:14That's how I see them.Mya must said, is it the pendulum getting information or is there a very, very subtle movementhappening in our physical body that's below our perception that's then guided.it. And so what it's actually doing is bringing an imperceptible force to our awareness.We're both, you know?Right.Who knows?Two things can be true.
52:41You know, it can be the angels guiding it and your own subconscious want or need comingthrough.But I'll tell you dowsing rods, because you mentioned them, I have to bring them up.Don't ever use them in a haunted house.They, have you ever done that?Not in a hunted house.Oh my gosh.Yeah.
52:59I have dousing rods, but I don't think I've ever been to a hunted house.Oh, okay.Like, you know, like ghost tour or anything?They, uh...Not for me.I don't...I feel like for me, it's kind of ruined dowsing rods for me.What happens?
53:12Does they go crazy?They were just, like, really crazy and, like, violent and just like, that was not me doing it.Like, I was like, I don't have very scared.I have so many more things dog-geared, but since you brought up ghosts, I think we'll, um,will end on that.What do you think about either ghosts or clearings,the idea of entities?Again, I think it's a double-edged short.
53:38I've seen people be like,I can't do this because I'm being psychically attacked.And I'm like, okay, we need you're protected,but also you have to take steps in the real world.And also I've seen, you know, influence where I'm like,I feel super off, not sure why.And then I'll try and like scan and become aware.and it'll be like, oh, it feels like there's some unresolved things that I need to take a little space from.
54:02If that's not clear to anyone who's listening to what I just said, because it's a little bit high level,can you walk us through what it might mean to either have something that needs to be cleared,something in your house that feels cold, dark, like, how do you even begin to start this topic?There's a lot we don't know about how the other side operates and the ways that the planes fit,on top of our own plane.That's the first thing.So I do feel like a lot of energies are a little closer than we give them credit for.That's one too.
54:35I've had so many experiences throughout my entire life, like growing up as a kid,like where I've lived in occupied houses.And even doing readings and stuff, I'll just put this out there.Most places do have energies with them.And it's not bad.It's kind of like a roommate vibe that is an energy.A roommate vibe.It's like a roommate.
54:56And I'll tell you, like, they usually keep the house pretty safe.They are homey feeling.Nine out of ten of them are, like, nice energies that just liked to be in that frequencyin that space in this plane.Like, they're not quite ready for whatever reason to go into the ether.Why are they there and not moving to wherever they go next?They're like, they miss the bus.They're like, there's a time period that they're a lot.
55:25allowed to just stay in limbo, they can stay forever, what's going on?I know. The ones that stay are a little less chatty. The ones that kind of move over are more chatty.I'll tell you, for example, my parents lived in this home. They moved in and the previous owner's son died bysuicide in the basement, which was very, very same. He was in the basement. He occupied the basement.And you'd go down there and you'd feel him. So many different people had experiences like you'd smellmarijuana for example, none of a smoke or you just feel his energy. He was just chilling. He wasjust hanging out. That was his happy place and he wasn't ready to go yet. It wasn't negative.It wasn't bad. You know, he wasn't there to scare or to hurt. That was just him feeling
56:14comfortable. I feel like personally he wasn't ready to go yet, you know, because of the trauma.And I think a lot of energies around your home have a lot to do with that.But then sometimes there's more negative ones or more pervasive ones or ones that have kind of like a story to tell.And those are the ones that get a little bit more aggressive.And that's when you can get touched or things move or there's more like experiences that are unexplainable and unnerving.And that's, I don't play with that.You know, and that's more just kind of like,I'm not into that.
56:52They're energies that choose to stay for whatever reason,and then they have intentions of their own in doing so.And sometimes you have to tell them,don't touch me, don't touch my kids.This is going to be a stretch for some people,the idea that non-physical beings are moving things and touching things.And I've heard people say this.I've not experienced that.
57:13I've never experienced anything moving or, like,I haven't experienced a spirit moving across the divideinto physical form in that way.I have felt, you know, what I would say isthings in the space that I've asked to leave.I've done a clearing in a space, which was wild.I was an apartment manager at the time,and someone knew moved in.
57:37They were a younger kind of like,they were out there too, and they kind of sensed,they're like, called me up.They're like, you're going to think I'm crazy,but I think this apartment is haunted.It was like the first three days they moved in.I was like, don't worry, I'll come and help,and I grab my sage, and they're like,
57:49I thought you were going to think I'm crazy.And I'm like, no, no, let's just kind of feel out.You know, they would have the same person tenants for years and years and years andlike, I don't know what happened before that.And it just got renovated.And it's sort of like fresh start.So if nothing else, let's just sage the place and move on.I go through them.
58:06I'm like putting just doing like an energy, just feeling, sensing and sort of puttingintention across all the space.We go to every corner of the apartment.In the final corner, my hands just go cold.Oh my gosh, and chills.And I go cold.And I'm like, okay, that is a different sensation than anything else I've felt.So I start to set the ask it to, I say, you know, I feel this.
58:32I don't know what it is.I don't know what you're doing here.I'm going to ask that, you know, clear the space for the tenant's highest good,only things that are for her highest, blah, blah, blah, blah.I start doing that.Out of nowhere, she rushes to the bathroom and vomits.I wonder if it's attached to her.I do like a cord-cutting thing.
58:49And I feel like she vomits, comes up.She's sweating.She's like, I didn't drink last night.I don't feel sick.I don't know what happened.And I'm like, I just felt this thing.And she's like, thank you so much.And she's like, I feel okay now.
59:03Like, I don't feel sick at all.And that was it.I leave and, you know, talk to her a week later.She's like, I don't know.I don't know what happened, but it feels different.That is, you did have an experience.That is like a pretty sisterial experience.It wasn't moving furniture, slamming doors, or like, that to me is scary.
59:23If it's just sitting dark in the corner, that's like, I'm okay.Like, that to me is like a very intense experience.Like, that's amazing.Wow.It was wild.And again, I really like the like energetic sensing to a tangible.Like that, that to me feels, it helps me feel like I'm not just only making things up.sometimes before a reading, if I'll know somebody's going to visit this person I'm reading,
59:51because I'll start getting, like, sensations.Like, once I got patted in the shower right before reading.And nobody was in the house with me.And I felt like this on the back of my, and I was like, okay.And immediately I knew it was whoever it was is grandpa, which sounds creepy, but he was very nice.my shoulder.And, you know, just stuff like that.But that's more like a visitation before reading.
01:00:19The ones in the houses can be a little bit, I think.They get a little territorial.That's the word.Yeah, that's the word.I'm like, I'm paying rent.You're here.But like, come on, someone has to give.We can't both own this house or be the primary dweller.
01:00:37Yes, for sure.Tell people where they can find more of you,where they can get this amazing book.Oh, thank you, Jonathan.All right, you can find me an oriculture here on Substackand my book at my Encyclopedia of Energy Healing.You can get anywhere you like to buy your books.And you can find me on Instagram at Mystic Michaela.
01:00:58It's such a pleasure to reconnect.It's been too many years.I would love to invite you back any time.Really, it feels like we could take any one of these thingsand go in so many directions.It's true.We didn't get to past lives or Akashic Records.I have so many other things to talk to you about.
01:01:13So definitely get the book.And you do such amazing content online.People should follow you and make sure that they're learning from you,such a wealth of wisdom.And thank you for coming out of the spiritual closetand helping make this so tangible and real.I just had such a great time with you.Jonathan, thank you so much.
01:01:31You know I love visiting you.And yes, I could talk to you all day.This was too much fun.Thank you so much.It's my and biologics breakdown.She's going to break it down for you.She's got a neurosound.PhD or two
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