Podcast Page Sponsor Ad
Display ad placement on specific high-traffic podcast pages and episode pages
Monthly Rate: $50 - $5000
Exist Ad Preview
Mind of a Serial Killer - SERIAL KILLER: "The Killer Boy" Pt. 2
Episode Date: August 14, 2025He was America’s youngest serial killer—and his most brutal crime was still to come. In Part 2, we follow the murder that sealed Jesse Pomeroy’s fate, the investigation that exposed a disturbing... pattern, and the historic trial that forced the country to confront how young is too young for the harshest punishment. Killer Minds is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. For ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to Crime House+ on Apple Podcasts. Don’t miss out on all things Killer Minds! Instagram: @killerminds | @Crimehouse TikTok: @Crimehouse Facebook: @crimehousestudios X: @crimehousemedia YouTube: @crimehousestudios To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Transcript
Discussion (0)
Hi there, it's Vanessa.
If you're loving killer minds, you won't want to miss my new show,
a fellow Crime House original, Conspiracy Theory, Cults, and Crimes.
Every Wednesday, I'll uncover the true stories behind the world's most shocking crimes,
deadly ideologies, and secret plots.
From mass suicides and political assassinations to secret government experiments and UFO cults,
Follow conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen.
And for ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to Crimehouse Plus on Apple Podcasts.
child's brain doesn't function the same way as an adult's. They're constantly developing,
evolving, and growing, so kids deserve our patience and understanding as they adjust and adapt to the
world around them. But when it came to Jesse Pomeroy, giving him grace turned out to be
dangerous. Jesse used his youth to his advantage as he tore through the streets of Boston,
violently torturing any kid who crossed his path. And the most of the most of the most of the most of the
The most shocking part of it all was, he would soon prove himself capable of far worse.
The human mind is powerful. It shapes how we think, feel, love, and hate.
But sometimes it drives people to commit the unthinkable.
This is Killer Minds, a Crime House original.
I'm Vanessa Richardson.
And I'm Dr. Tristan Engels.
Every Monday and Thursday, we uncover the darkest minds in history,
analyzing what makes a killer.
Crime House is made possible by you.
Please rate, review, and follow Killer Minds.
To enhance your listening experience with ad-free, early access to each two-part series
and bonus content, subscribe to Crime House Plus on Apple.
podcasts. Before we get started, be advised, this episode contains explicit descriptions of violence and
murder against children. Listener discretion is advised. Today, we conclude our deep dive on Jesse
Pomeroy, a boy from Boston who showed troubling signs of violence from a young age. Before he was
even a teenager, the darkness within him put every child in Jesse's community at risk.
As Vanessa goes through the story, I'll be talking about things like how some killers select
their victims by opportunity versus profiling, whether or not someone's fantasies or delusions
can be powerful enough to distort the difference between right and wrong, and if someone can
be legally sane, but morally insane.
And as always, we'll be asking the question, what makes a killer?
In 1871, 12-year-old Jesse Pomeroy sent shockwaves through Boston when he was convicted of a string of brutal acts on at least six young boys.
Even though all of his victims survived, the crimes were extremely disturbing and didn't seem possible for someone his age.
Even so, in February 1874, 14-year-old Jesse was released four years early from reform school because of his school.
of his good behavior, he was able to return home to South Boston much sooner than he'd
expected. There, he lived with his mother, Ruth, and worked in a newsstand alongside his older
brother, Charles. The stand was located inside Ruth's sewing shop and sold newspapers, books, and
magazines. For a while, things seemed normal. Days passed and then weeks, and there weren't
any more reports of tortured children. Those who knew Jesse likely hoped the school
had done its job and that he'd changed. But Jesse hadn't been reformed. He still had the same
horrific, dark urges that had driven him to hurt those children. The only difference now was that
he'd learned to hide them better. While at the reform school, he'd become an expert at showing
adults and those around him exactly what they wanted to see. Now, after months of suppressing his
desire for violence, he wasn't willing to hold it in any longer.
Jessie being released from Reform School didn't fail to address the problem. It reinforced the
problem. And this wasn't the first time Jesse had actually skirted any accountability,
but it was the first time he'd done it under the watch of institutional authority.
That's a dangerous message to send to someone with his psychological profile, especially when
you consider that Jesse was released
before other boys who
had committed far less serious
offenses. But what's more
alarming is how he pulled it off.
While there, Jesse learned how to perform
compliance for secondary gain,
not because he was rehabilitated,
but because he knew it would get him out.
That's not reform. That's
manipulative conditioning. And it makes
him even more dangerous than he was before
he went in. Now that he's
home, nothing's changed on the inside.
The violent urges are still there, and they
probably always been there. The only difference is he doesn't have anything to gain by suppressing
them anymore. While he was locked up, he kept them in check just enough to stay under the radar,
but now there's no audience to please, no behavior to fake, and he has more secrecy.
Unfortunately, it seems like Jesse decided to strike again less than two months after he was
released. On March 18, 1874, a 10-year-old girl named
Katie left her house on an errand. She planned on going to the Pomeroy's store to find something to
read, but that afternoon, Katie didn't return home. Days passed, then weeks, and still there was
no sign of her. The longer she was missing, the more the neighborhood speculated about what
had happened to her. Some thought she ran away or got lost. There was another rumor floating
around that Katie's disappearance had something to do with her parents conflicting religions.
Katie's mother was Catholic and her father was Protestant, a mix that people at the time saw as
scandalous. There was gossip that maybe someone disapproved of it so much that they stepped in and
took her, not wanting Katie to grow up in a household like that. Others came forward and said
they saw Katie being pulled into a carriage, sparking rumors that she'd been kidnapped or secretly
set to a religious school. But others suspected that something far worse had befallen her.
It didn't escape anyone's notice that Katie had gone missing near the Pomeroy's shop
because everyone in South Boston knew who Jesse was and what he'd done. And soon, some people
who lived near the Pomeroy's reported something disturbing, a horrible smell coming from their
basement. After receiving these reports, the police decided to search the shop for signs of Katie's
body. But despite the growing suspicion and awful odor, the search turned up nothing. There was no
sign of Katie and no indication that Jessie had anything to do with her disappearance. By the end
of March, Katie was still missing, so the city stepped in to help. Since Katie's family couldn't
afford to offer a reward themselves, the city board funded it at the mayor's request.
Soon, missing posters were plastered all over South Boston, offering a large cash reward
for any information that led to Katie's whereabouts. But still, Katie wasn't found. And while
the city was busy pouring its energy into looking for her, another girl quietly vanished
from the streets of Boston. Her name was Margaret.
Margaret had come from Canada and was probably in her teens.
She was old enough to be living in Boston on her own,
which, while uncommon, wasn't impossible for a young girl.
And Margaret seemed to be paving her own way for the most part
because she found a job in South Boston
at Ruth Pomeroy's sewing shop.
And around the same time Katie disappeared,
Margaret didn't show up for work one day.
No one ever saw her again.
But unlike Katie, there was no big headline or citywide manhunt for Margaret.
She was living in the city on her own, so it's likely no one realized she was missing.
The one person that should have noticed was her boss.
But Ruth Pomeroy never reported anything.
There weren't any mentions of her in the press until later that year in the winter,
when one paper finally caught on to the story.
They pointed out how strange it was that Margaret disappeared,
while employed by the Pomeroy family.
But after that article ran, nothing else happened.
Margaret vanished from the news and was never found.
I touched on this in episode one,
but assuming that Jesse was responsible
for the disappearance of Katie and Margaret,
this is a change.
Until this point, Jesse targeted exclusively young boys.
In offender profiling,
a change in victim type
often signals a deeper psychological pivot
or an evolution and motivation and opportunity.
Historically, serial killers target one demographic,
but it's not the case for all.
So what's going on here?
Initially, it seemed that Jesse targeting young boys
was him reenacting or emulating the same treatment
he got from his own father, at least according to reports.
It could also have been symbolic for revenge
against the bullying he received.
Either way, now, after his release,
he may have realized that his fantasy
no longer had to follow his original script or mold.
He could have also met his threshold, causing him to want to experiment with different methods
or risk and even victim type.
But it's also entirely possible and more likely that these were crimes of opportunity.
These girls were in his mother's sewing shop and he didn't seek them out, which would suggest
that his internal drive to hurt, dominate, and destroy overpowered any type of victim preference.
How does the public's reaction to crimes like Katie's and possibly Margaret's shape how a killer thinks and feels?
So these crimes likely got more newspaper coverage and community outcry than the boys, and not just because of gender, but because the boys were returned.
These girls were missing. So for offenders with narcissistic or sadistic traits, this would give them power and thrill.
The public fear becomes part of the fantasy, and the more people speculate and the more he-caused.
gets away with it, the more it emboldens him and excites him.
Well, just weeks after both Katie and Margaret banished,
Jesse was back to roaming around South Boston.
On April 22, 1874, he came upon a four-year-old boy named Horace Millen,
and what followed was worse than anyone could have ever imagined.
On the morning of April 22nd, 1874, two brothers headed out to the marshes near Dorchester Bay to dig for clams.
But when they got there, they realized they'd misjudged the tides.
The water was way too high, making clam digging a bust.
So the brothers wandered for a bit, hoping to save the morning and find something else to do along the shore.
As they waited around the muddy wetland, they stumbled across a shocking sight.
A lifeless young boy lying in the sand.
The state of the child's body was incredibly disturbing,
and the brothers immediately left to get help.
When police arrived, they determined the boy had likely been killed just hours earlier.
By 5 p.m. the same day, investigators had IDed him.
The victim was 4-year-old Horace Millen, a boy who lived in the area.
Police couldn't find a murder weapon at the beach,
but there were fresh shoe prints in the mud near his body.
These were larger than Horace's feet,
and authorities assumed they were made by his killer.
Horace Millen was barely out of toddlerhood,
making the brutality of the crime even more shocking.
It was clear to police that whoever did this wasn't just dangerous.
There was something deeply inhuman about them,
and they needed to be found before they hurt anyone else.
After securing the scene,
police started considering possible suspects.
It didn't take them long to recall that a member of their community
had a habit of viciously attacking young children, Jesse Pomeroy.
Officers were dispatched to the Pomeroy residence,
and they arrived just as Jesse was walking up to his front door.
He was arrested on the spot.
When he was taken to the station and searched,
police found a pocket knife in his possession.
They also saw that Jesse had visible source.
scratches on his face.
The seemingly careless state in which Jesse was found does say a lot.
We have to remember, he's still only a 14-year-old boy.
Even with his cold, calculated behaviors, he didn't have the life experience or even the
frontal lobe development to fully grasp the implications of forensic evidence, even witness
suspicion, especially given how emboldened he has become.
But at the same time, he wasn't stupid.
he'd been manipulative, secretive, and meticulous in previous attacks.
So the fact that he didn't even try to clean himself up
suggests that overconfidence has truly rooted itself.
He knew how to perform compliance, how to say the right things,
how to behave around adults,
and he'd been rewarded for that behavior with early release.
So why wouldn't he think he could outmaneuver the system again?
But there is also another possibility.
Maybe he wanted to be seen
because he was done hiding.
Overconfidence can drive that.
And for some sadistic offenders,
the risk of being caught
becomes part of the gratification.
Walking around like that was risky
and it was towing the line.
It's truly difficult to know for sure
given Jesse's age.
He's so young and his underdeveloped frontal lobe,
but I'm guessing it's a combination
of carelessness, naivete, and overconfidence.
Jesse was arrested around 10 p.m.
But by the following morning,
His face and the horrifying details of Horace's murder were already splashed across just about every paper in town.
However, the evidence against him was circumstantial.
It added up to a damning picture, but police needed a confession out of Jesse if they hoped to make their arrest stick.
They hoped the pressure of an interrogation would be enough to crack him.
The morning after Horace's body was found, an officer sat down with Jesse and got straight to the point,
He asked Jesse why he killed the little boy. Jesse replied that he didn't know what made him do it.
It wasn't a clear-cut confession, but it wasn't a denial either. It also gave police hope that they were getting through to him.
But later that same day, Jesse's story started to shift. When officers took him to the morgue to see Horace's body,
Jesse said he didn't want to see him and implied he didn't even know who Horace was.
From that point on, Jesse flip-flopped consistently, unable, or unwilling, to stick to a single story.
I think his reaction is childlike and uncertain and highly suggestive of psychological regression.
It's the kind of reaction we would expect to see from someone his age who has been forced to face the reality of their actions.
Jesse understood what he had done was wrong, not just with Horace, but with all of his victims.
Even his behavior in reform school was evidence that he understood what he was doing because he did it strategically and in secret.
But there's one thing between intellectually understanding that something is wrong and another thing to lack the emotional maturity to process the weight of that thing, in the aftermath especially.
This is a collision between callous unemotional traits that I outlined in part one and his chronological age.
He's not an adult predator in a child's body.
He's a child whose emotional development was hijacked by trauma, isolation, and sadism.
And when forced to face the reality of death of what he'd actually done, he went into a primitive
defense mode, which is avoidance.
Is Jesse fitting the mold of any type of diagnosis, like maybe classic psychopathy?
So he's most certainly showing signs of early onset psychopathy, but like I'd mentioned in
episode one, psychopathy, it's not a diagnosis.
and ethically we can't label anyone under 18 with us because of the developmental aspect.
But he does lack empathy by virtue of his crimes.
I mean, wow.
He lacks remorse because even when confronted with his actions,
he did not show regret, but rather sought to avoid or externalize all blame.
He's deceitful and manipulative, and he's thrill-seeking.
So if we were to assess Jesse today,
he would likely be flagged as high risk for severe conduct disorder,
if not diagnosed with it, with callous on emotional traits,
and an elevated risk of developing antisocial personality disorder
or psychopathy in adulthood,
because over the age of 18 is when we can truly diagnose someone
with antisocial personality disorder
and label them with psychopathic traits.
As the interrogation wore on,
police believed they were getting close.
They kept pushing until Jesse admitted that he did know who Horace was,
but he still refused to see his best.
body. To the police, that small admission confirmed they were closing in on the truth.
After that, they dragged Jesse into the morgue by his arms and showed him exactly what he had
done. As soon as Jesse laid eyes on Horace's mutilated body, he broke down crying. The officer
then asked once more if he had killed the boy. Jesse replied with a simple yes. The officers
continued to press Jesse, trying to piece together what exactly happened that afternoon.
The 14-year-old didn't walk them through the crime in detail, but he did let a few things slip,
like how he'd cleaned the blood off his pocket knife by rinsing it in the marsh.
It wasn't the most detailed confession, but the police felt like they had what they needed.
They took him back to the station and stepped out for lunch, but before they left,
they made one thing very clear to the other officers working there.
Jesse wasn't allowed to have any visitors while they were gone, especially not from a lawyer,
which was definitely not legal.
For all the crimes Jesse had committed, he still had rights, and some of the officers' colleagues respected that.
When the officers returned from their meal, they were ready to get Jesse's confession in writing.
Once they had that, they could formally bring charges.
But when they offered Jesse a piece of paper and a pen, he didn't have much to say.
because he was now denying he had anything to do with Horace Millen's murder.
It turned out someone at the station did not follow the officer's instructions.
Jesse had been allowed to have a visitor, a man named Stephen de Blois.
Stephen was one of the directors at the Reform School Jesse had attended
and apparently believed he was innocent.
He told Jesse to stop talking and informed him that all the evidence against him
was circumstantial at best.
His intervention seemed generous to Jesse,
but the move was likely out of a need for self-preservation.
If the public found out that a boy Stephen approved for early release
had gone on to murder a four-year-old,
it would make him, and the entire reform system, look bad.
Whatever Stephen's reasoning, his advice to Jesse stuck.
The 14-year-old staunchly denied any involvement in Horace's murder,
which meant the officers would not be getting their confession.
But the police were determined to hold him accountable.
The coroner's inquest into Horace Millen's death
kicked off two days after his body was found.
It was a crucial first step in determining whether he'd been murdered,
and if he had, it would allow the officers to formally charge Jesse.
For his part, Jesse stuck to his story, claiming he was innocent.
He said he'd spent the day Horace was killed taking a long walk around Boston, stopping by the post office and grabbing a bite to eat.
But his so-called alibi lacked detail and didn't do much to convince the authorities, especially with all the other physical evidence against him.
Four days later, the inquest wrapped up with a clear conclusion.
Horace Millen had been murdered, and Jesse Pomeroy was identified as the likely suspect.
It turned out they didn't need the confession after all.
Jesse was formally arraigned on May 1st, 1874 and indicted by a grand jury soon after.
Jesse didn't say another word to police about his alleged involvement in the murder.
In fact, he went a step further and even started denying that he'd tortured the six boys he was previously convicted of harming.
This behavior is something we see in a lot of high-risk violent offenders, especially those with psychopaths.
or even narcissistic traits, and that is selective denial. Often they'll admit to what serves them,
what makes them look sympathetic, clever, or in control, and they'll deny what threatens their
ego or their public image, even when the evidence is overwhelming. They'll often recast themselves,
not just as innocent, but as misunderstood, targeted, or the victim of injustice. And Jesse honed
this while in reform school. Now he is under intense scrutiny, so he's seeking to regain narrative
control. And for someone like Jesse, whose sense of self was built on secrecy, manipulation, and
domination, controlling this story is just another form of power. So when he starts denying, we have
to ask, why now? Because the lies are rarely random. They're strategic, even when they sound
immature. And in Jesse's case, they paint a picture of a boy who never took responsibility because
deep down, he never believed he had to. And in fairness, until this point, that was reinforced.
How did Jesse's young age and psychological development at the time influence this sudden change in narrative?
Part of it has to do with cognitive immaturity. At 14, Jesse's frontal lobes, a part of the brain responsible for judgment, impulse control, and long-term planning were still developing.
He understood what he had done was wrong, but that doesn't mean he fully grasped the long-term consequences.
when the reality of facing trial and potentially death set in for Jesse, his brain did what most
adolescent brains do under stress. It tried to protect itself. Denial can be a defense mechanism.
It is a defense mechanism, especially in kids who have no healthy coping strategies. And he also learned
that manipulating adults has worked. So he's reverting to lying, performing, and deflecting.
It's likely a mixture of immaturity, pathology, and fear.
Well, Jesse's denial didn't do anything to help his current situation.
He spent the next few months in jail as the lawyers prepared their cases.
Jesse's arrest hit his family hard, especially his mother, Ruth.
After he was taken into custody, she experienced harassment and death threats,
as well as a horde of curious onlookers who flocked to her storefront.
They didn't come to shop, but to gawk at the place where her killer son had spent his days.
It all quickly became too much for her to handle, and just weeks after Jessie's arrest,
she moved her sewing shop to a new location, hoping to escape the attention.
By July 1874, a few months before Jessie's trial was scheduled to start,
someone else took over her old space, and the new owners decided to make some renovations.
Just a few days into the remodeling,
construction workers made a horrific discovery
in the basement of Ruth's old shop,
a dead body.
Get ready for more of the gripping mysteries you love,
because forensic files is back,
and they're revisiting some of your favorite episodes.
Come along as investigators, scientists, and experts,
piece together evidence, clues, and data,
in search of the answers behind violent crimes,
unexplainable mysteries, and other strange occurrences.
Listen to forensic files on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
In July 1874, construction workers found a dead body
in the basement of Ruth Pomeroy's old sewing shop.
The remains were badly decomposed and mostly skeletal,
But police had a sinking feeling they knew exactly who it was.
Ten-year-old Katie Curran, the girl who'd been missing since March.
Soon they confirmed it.
Jesse was already behind bars for Horace's murder,
and now he was considered the prime suspect in Katie's.
But police weren't sure if he'd acted alone.
There'd been reports of a smell coming from the shop for months,
and yet Ruth and Jesse's brother, Charles, had continued.
to work in the store the whole time, seemingly without noticing it.
The police found it suspicious enough that they arrested Ruth and Charles the same day
Katie's remains were found. The move shocked those who knew them and left everyone asking the
same questions. Were the Pomeroy's a family of killers, or had they tried to cover up
Jesse's crime to protect him? In the days that followed, answers started coming in from someone
very close to the case, Jesse himself.
When police asked Jesse if he had anything to do with Katie Curran's murder,
they expected a denial, just like he'd done with Horace Millen.
But Jesse surprised everyone by admitting that he did kill Katie.
He told police that he didn't know why he did it,
but that something came over him and he just couldn't help himself.
He also added another chilling detail, saying he, quote,
to see how she would act during the murder.
According to his account, Katie had come into the shop looking for something to read.
Jesse claimed he told her the books and newspapers were in the basement, which lured her downstairs.
When he got her alone, he covered her mouth and quickly killed her.
Then he dragged her body behind a small bathroom in the basement and hid her under piles of rocks and soot.
But Jesse's version seemed at least to...
partially fabricated, because a few days later, the coroner's report came out.
It noted there was evidence that Katie's murder was a far more brutal and prolonged
attack than Jesse admitted to.
But regardless of the details, the police managed to get Jesse to confess to his crimes
in writing, not just for Katie's murder, but Horace's too.
As a result of his confession, both Ruth and Charles were released.
since Jesse's confession came only after his mother and brother had been detained and implicated,
we have to wonder, did he confess just to protect them?
Which then raises another question.
Can someone who shows no empathy for his victim still feel attachment or even loyalty to the people closest to him?
And yes, to both, but it's complicated.
In clinical terms, people with callous and emotional traits or psychopathic tendencies often lack effective empathy.
they do not feel what others feel.
But that doesn't necessarily mean they're incapable of attachment.
It's just that their attachment tends to be self-serving, conditional, or tied to identity
and control rather than genuine emotional connection.
Ruth, his mother, was loyal to him and very protective of him.
And that may have meant something to him.
So her arrest may have threatened his safety net.
Confessing likely felt like the best way to control that, especially since he depended
on her after his last conviction. And should he be convicted and released, which I'm guessing he
expects since he got a slap on the wrist the last time, he wants to preserve that security.
Any protection of his mother and brother was likely self-serving and not coming from a place
of compassion or even remorse.
By the time the inquest into Katie's death was finished, a jury took just 15 minutes to decide
Jesse should be charged with her murder. Despite that verdict, he was never officially tried for it,
likely because he was already on trial for killing Horace, and everyone suspected it was going to
end with a life sentence. If that happened, there wouldn't be any need for more charges.
So with Katie's case effectively set aside, attention shifted back to what had first landed
him behind bars, the murder of Horace Millen. When the trial finally started and
December 1874, Jesse had just turned 15 years old. After months of preparation, his defense team
began the case by arguing he suffered from what was called moral insanity, a condition where a person
behaves in disturbing or strange ways, but still retains full intelligence and awareness.
They claimed Jesse had violent urges he couldn't control, and for that reason, he shouldn't be
held legally responsible for Horace's death.
It was a difficult argument to make, and Jesse wasn't making it any easier on his attorneys.
When the charges were read out in court, Jesse had an unsettling reaction that caused quite a stir.
He laughed.
Despite that speed bump, the defense pressed on.
Their case was built around a few key arguments.
They mostly focused on Jesse's age and inability to access human.
emotions like empathy and remorse. Taken together, they argued these factors pointed to moral
insanity. Jesse knew right from wrong, but was driven by his uncontrollable urges. Their most
compelling witness was Jesse's mother, Ruth, who testified that she believed that Jesse had a rare
reaction to a smallpox vaccine as a baby that left him dangerously sick for months. Ruth claimed
it had damaged his eye and suggested it could have also caused lasting harm to his mind.
The defense called on medical experts to back her up. These doctors said that based on the
nature of Jesse's crimes and his total lack of remorse, they believed he was insane. Jesse himself
claimed that whenever he committed these acts of violence, he would feel a strange pressure
in his head that traveled down through his chest, almost like something else was taking
control of him.
Moral insanity, like you described, Vanessa, is a historical psychiatric concept, and today
it's been replaced by more specific terms.
And the concept of moral insanity actually laid the groundwork for our modern understanding
of personality disorders, especially antisocial personality disorder.
But it's not a term we'd use today.
Now, the physical sensation that Jesse was describing is not unheard of.
Some violent offenders have reported similar experiences, especially
those who lack insight or have dissociative tendencies. They describe feeling like they're outside
themselves or like their bodies are acting on their own. Some call it a fog or surge, like a
physiological precursor to violence. Today, we might interpret that as a combination of
dissociation or depersonalization, emotional flooding, or even psychological compartmentalization.
It's not proof of psychosis, but rather it is his limited way of trying to articulate his
experience. And it's almost being used as an excuse by Jesse, like another way to externalize
blame. He's suggesting he wasn't in control, yet he was very much in control. He was strategic
and he was calculating. Jesse's mother, Ruth, talked about believing that reactions to a vaccine
and sicknesses played a role in stunting Jesse's mind. Is that sort of thing even possible?
It's certainly true that serious illnesses during infancy can impact neurological development.
especially back then when health care was not as advanced as it is now.
If Jesse had suffered high fevers, systemic infection,
or anything affecting the central nervous system in those early months as an infant,
it's possible that parts of his brain, particularly areas responsible for emotional regulation
or even executive functioning, could have been affected.
But here's the reality.
Most children who experience developmental delays or even mild brain injury do not go on to torture and kill other children.
So even if what Ruth said was true or she believed it was true, it's not enough to explain this.
Firstly, Jesse wasn't impulsive.
He was able to regulate his emotions when needed.
He was able to hold back when needed.
So there has to be more at play, like a combination of genetics, environment,
trauma and personality traits that were developing, because again, he's not 18 yet.
It's worth considering that ruse assertion here without any actual medical documentation or proof
could have been her way to mitigate her own feelings of shame by externalizing blame onto
something else.
Well, the prosecution wasn't concerned with Jesse's state of mind.
They were more focused on key physical evidence and witness testimony.
Most notably, they presented a cast of the boot prints found at the crime scene, which were a perfect match for a pair that Jesse owned.
The second key piece of evidence was Jesse's pocket knife, which he admitted was his.
The coroner testified it appeared to be stained with blood.
Clearly, Jesse hadn't cleaned it as well as he'd thought.
Several witnesses also came forward to say they'd seen Jesse with Horace Millen that morning.
Based on their accounts, the prosecution believed Jesse had approached Horace and asked if he wanted to go see the big steamship that was sitting in the harbor.
One of these witnesses was a kid named Robert, who was out digging for clams when he saw Horace and Jesse on their way to Dorchester Bay.
To Robert, the two just looked like brothers enjoying the day.
Nothing seemed off.
Robert said that he watched Jesse help Horace over a marshy patch and then continue walking out of sight.
unaware he was witnessing the last moments of Horace's life.
I have evaluated a lot of juvenile offenders, even juvenile sexual offenders.
And although I haven't worked with juveniles in over a decade,
when I did work with them, I did not encounter a juvenile with this level of predatory behavior.
Jesse is truly someone to be studied because most people expect violent juvenile offenders
to exhibit poor impulse control and be emotionally reactive or even explosive.
Jesse's not. He can modulate his behavior by presenting his calm, trustworthy, and even nurturing. He can control his predatory behavior long enough to lure a small child. He demonstrates patience and he can delay gratification. And for someone his age, that's just extremely atypical. And I can't stress that enough. He was very skilled at simulating empathy, performing compliance, and appearing harmless all by age 14. And the seriousness of his crimes?
This kind of behavior sets Jesse apart from almost every juvenile case that we've studied.
He's truly one of the most disturbing cases of early-onset sadism, psychopathy, and calculated violence in American history.
Are killers usually kind to their victims at first? That seems like a common way to lure them in.
Yes, kindness itself can be a weapon for many offenders, and it can be their first weapon.
But truly, it's calculated manipulation, if anything, and it's especially true of sedent.
offenders when the goal isn't just to kill but to control. The entire act from start to finish is
a thrill for them because of that feeling of control. Whereas more impulsive offenders are less
likely to have that patience because they're more reactive. They tend to lash out in rage,
fear, jealousy, even intoxication. They don't need to lure victims with charm or cunning because
they're not planning for it. So there's typically no need for that kind of grooming and kindness.
Of course, there are exceptions, but generally speaking, impulsive offenders are different.
Sadistic offenders, it is common. Impulsive defenders less so.
Well, unfortunately, that behavior successfully fooled poor Horace Millen.
But if Jesse was found guilty, the judge was determined to make sure Horace received justice.
Once both sides had rested their cases, the judge gave the jury their instructions, reminding them that although Jesse was young,
he should be considered a fully responsible adult.
Age wasn't the issue here.
It was whether or not he was mentally competent.
Less than five hours later, the jury had reached a verdict.
Jesse Pomeroy was guilty of first-degree murder,
and they recommended that he be sentenced to death by hanging.
When Jesse heard his fate, he didn't flinch.
But in the end, his life was spared.
In 1876, after some legal wrangling, 16-year-old Jesse's sentence was commuted to life in prison.
Jesse spent the rest of his days behind bars, until his death at 72 years old.
During that time, he published an autobiography, telling his side of the story.
Much of his writings conflicted with the known facts, and at times, he tried to justify his horrific actions.
Despite his attempt to shed light on his crimes, Jesse never really explained why he did what he did.
And even 150 years later, speculation about his motivation continues to rage on.
Some point to early trauma, neurological damage, or psychopathy.
Others believe more strange, far-fetched ideas, like his mother witnessing animal slaughter
while she was pregnant and even demonic possession.
But what makes his case so unforgettable is Jesse's age.
He wasn't just a killer.
He was a child, killing other children.
It's almost impossible to understand how someone so young
could be capable of such calculated, sadistic violence.
That's why Jesse's case remains one of the most unsettling murder stories in American history.
It's a reminder that evil comes in many forms.
many ages, and that when it comes to monsters, you might never see them coming.
Thanks so much for listening. Come back next time for a deep dive into the mind of another murderer.
killer minds is a crimehouse original powered by pay's studios here at crime house we want to thank each and every one of you for your support if you like what you heard today reach out on instagram at killer minds and don't forget to rate review and follow killer minds wherever you get your podcasts your feedback truly makes a difference
and to enhance your listening experience subscribe to crime house plus on apple podcasts you'll get every episode of killer minds ad free along with
early access to each thrilling two-part series and exciting crimehouse bonus content.
Killer Minds is hosted by me, Vanessa Richardson, and Dr. Tristan Engels, and is a crimehouse
original powered by Pave Studios. This episode was brought to life by the Killer Minds team,
Max Cutler, Ron Shapiro, Alex Benadon, Lori Marinelli, Natalie Pertzowski, Sarah Camp,
Kate Murdoch, Marky Lee, Sarah Tardiff, and Carrie Murphy.
Thank you for listening.
If you love killer minds, tune in to the Crimehouse Original,
conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes for the world's darkest truths.
Follow conspiracy theories, cults, and crimes now, wherever you get your podcasts.
And for ad-free listening and early access to episodes,
Subscribe to Crimehouse Plus on Apple Podcasts.