MMA Fighting - Trocação Franca | Charles do Bronx fala de Islam Makhachev, Zuckerberg x Musk, UFC São Paulo e mais

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

Charles do Bronx se prepara para embarcar rumo a Abu Dhabi para a revanche mais aguardada do ano contra Islam Makhachev, no UFC 294, e fala ao Trocação Franca sobre os erros cometidos no primeiro duelo e a nova velha postura diante do rival russo. O paulista revela, ainda, apoio a Mark Zuckerberg em possível luta de MMA contra Elon Musk e sonho para o UFC São Paulo. O podcast traz, além, uma entrevista Thiago Moises sobre sua luta de sábado, no UFC Paris. O melhor do MMA brasileiro no Trocação Franca, toda semana, com o jornalista Guilherme Cruz e convidados. Charles Oliveira is gearing up for one of the most anticipate rematches of the year against Islam Makhachev at UFC 294. Today, he stops by Trocação Franca to discuss the mistakes made in the first bout and his new demeanor towards his Russian foe. “Do Bronx” also explains who he backs in a potential Zuckerberg vs. Musk MMA bout, and reveals a dream scenario for UFC São Paulo. The podcast also features an interview with UFC Paris fighter Thiago Moises. Listen to Trocação Franca with Guilherme Cruz every week to hear from the biggest names on the hottest topics in the Brazilian combat sports world. Follow Guilherme Cruz @Guicruzzz Subscribe: http://goo.gl/dYpsgH Check out our full video catalog: http://goo.gl/u8VvLi Visit our playlists: http://goo.gl/eFhsvM Like MMAF on Facebook: http://goo.gl/uhdg7Z Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/nOATUI Read More: http://www.mmafighting.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Cruz. Hello, Lobbyo, I'm a second-fourth episode of the podcast Trocacaceau

a new America, this is a big news, I'm gonna be able to Mr. and I'm gonna

this month, the company of the phenomena of audience Charles of Brons that's to come back to Abu Dhab

to the Ravance more the Rationh the other the program of today's the time

the President President-Maris in the M.C. Paris this Saturday, but we start

the podcast of course, conversing with the Bronx. See, I'm talking about the team of the Broncos, the champion of the people that's with a lot marked,

and will give a walk to the world, more one way, to do the revans with the podcast, Amio? How are the things for there?

Be-neau. My paise, man, thanks a God, I'm going to get in here, I came in here, I'm going to do you but I'm happy

too much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm very much you're going to post on Instagram today with some

with some of the back in this life, how it's trying this but I'm also a Fasierreys, I know, in fact, I'm going to I'm going to be very

a lot of you're going to be a lot of Rays, you know, like, many people are saying, you're going to be doing this. So,

it's the thing, see what, see what you, you know, that I've been living in this life, part what I

live on the other of the other than you one has a rhythm of a way, each one live in a

one live in a way, because the people say, I'm trying to live the way that I'm feel the way,

I'm I can't go a carlo, the final of the week I can I can't make a god I can't

get a guy, I can't not because I post like in the kind of in a quarter or in the teresa that I'm

there's like there's things that you can't I can't get over I'm doing this I'm feeling me making with

a guy that's my name that's me proposed it's just I'm probably I'm

feel free z'n't I'm barradan to do this not fudge to do you don't furs to try to do you're

doing this you're dedicating that I can me see this life that I live I live in, so I have to simply me divertie, do you know, you're going to be

more than 7 million followers on Instagram, there are many followers on Twitter and other social, the how you know, the

how you can't you know, there's much people logeating, many people and talking, and doing that message,

but there's a lot of a writer, but you're a guy who can't feel you can feel I,

I'm, I'll look, what is, what is good, what is good, what me aggregates and not and not give

attention to the guy that goes to get to get the commentary of the gringo the tocedo the Marceffey man,

in reality I'm going to a little bit that's all right to find that you can't we have to learn that

you can't you know, and you can't say. Not all those critics are critics are

good for you're doing for you learn to learn to learn from the people people say we

we're not we're is, uh, at all the it's all right, it's quite, it's complicated,

the people, they don't understand, the people, they're saying, they're saying, they don't, they don't,

you know, it's a, a, a, a routine of life, that's, that one

does the other, each one does it do one, and one live in one, one, and I'm,

so much present, with my friends, with the people who really people who

there are there, there's a really, are the people, who are courage to

say in your car, so they they're talking about back to not they're not there

not have to do that they're to be able to do you do that to be able to their own of their

or they're to make to make you to make you to make you to see if you listen and

get a little all right all right all right I'm always I'm always me divertion

I'm always sap in the same time with everyone that Beautly, you will enfrent a year 21 of October in Abu Dhab, but first we need to say

the issue most important of the MMA today is Charles of the Broncos will train Mark Zuckerbeg for the other with Elon Musk? Yeah, in reality, he always treated us very well,

since when he came talking with Kett, always sending a message to us. So I think we're the only the guy who not post or

or, like, to want to be to be able to be able to be in the media, when I I said to him if he needed

to train, he could contact with a because we have a lot of time, he's always made a message for me

for Daniel Eliquette also, so we always talking, we always were talking about we we're always I was in

the States not did for he collar when a time, but always made a message positive,

so we we made a message not to want to make sure not to make sure but who

I'm going to go to the United to be to to be there Like he said, we could We can't even Why don't,

Why don't? How is there How's this contact? In the reality He's always He's always, he's always sending a message We always sending me

He's always making a message He goes to the stil My and the Daniel, he comes with Daniel more than I think I than I think he'll So,

a guy who came to someone a guy who has a influence gigantesca so it's good for so it's good for everyone. You're a

guy who's there's a million of Instagram to train with a car you'd this video that you said

who didn't for this, but you'd do it. I'd would even would have to get to

the media, and can't be a matter of the man. A man, man,

a guy like he, he'll take on an old big and he but I'm the focus

not that this, we're just a affinity good, he's always always always

for the time for us and that's good, and then it's a guy, another,

imagine, make a a man, with a certain to give us to do a lot,

and do a visibility not this, the intention for him that we're that we're in there, if he needed to need, if he needed to happen to see?

Willow Musk, he's going to pull up and then he said that, he's going to be, that he's going to be going to be able to, because it's the principal event? I don't know.

I don't see. I don't know what it is. I know, I know, I know that's making to the world, many people, wanting to see this look, so,

in reality, we just have to keep waiting, the park being met, and the car to make it and the car

With With my We'll post it on our We can't We can't post on the other We have to post on our own to take to us,

so if we can't post on our one of the one of the things we're more in our life we have to post in who's in

going to poste in applauding independent of anything to anything we're doing this part of this part of this

he probably he's he probably he's been in campbellionate of Jiu-Git but the Elon Musk that never

did nothing in terms of sports of combat so At least one we've already seen yeah, no, with a certain,

we know, we've been doing the sport, when it's dedicating, doing it's happening, but the focus for me even in reality is maybe by the fact of, for the same

to be sending a message for us, so for that we're in this time. Mania, man, so I'm going to talk to the issue that really important, your fight,

your revenge with Matt, Evans, there in Abu Dhab, how much foamy you're, to be, car,

to say in the man with him to say, I'm really, I'm sure, I'm really, I'm just, I just want to be

In the deep, I just want to be happy, you just want to be happy. I just want to be there, I just want to be there, you know, not to be, like, to present, if I present, as I'm just,

you know, so I present, how I was presented in all my other other than you, I'm sure, it's a lot of different,

the result, it's a lot of so much, you're going to, you're going to be famished, I'm, I'm not,

I'm ready for this, I'm, for this, I'm doing for this, I'm going to be a person, I'm focused, I'm,

I'm focused, I'm, focus I always I always time for her for this but I'm going to I'm going to

people who really go to be people who really want to position to get to get to train with a lucre,

get a lot of keep a after you basically then cemented that would be you the next to be a

disputable for the for more that if you would be a moment of after you after you've

came to make sure after you did you do you're doing to He went to post it to confronts the Leonardo de Zabu. What message

that you passed while you negotiate with the LUTC this LUTA and he post talking about to other

adversaries? I'm really in the heart person, I'm doing the F.C. I've learned to play with this game, I

learned, I learned many things of the F.C. I said, I went to the people that in October I would

be a probably, that would be not be a good to me. You know? Because I

want to this other Brazil. He said, he said, no, in the last one

he said, I was, I was ready, I went to go to that, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, and I said, I said, I said this this little bit, you never this lot, you never wanted this lot. And, more one

is everyone's approving this. So, I'm going to, I'm in the world in the heart, if we were to look to do you talk, you know, for everything, that's all right,

we're getting involved there, we, we're getting piled in a thing that's a need to see, so. He said, he said, he said,

a lot of one lot of Colconov, he said, fans, the journalist, apostar who would be I, that's the

people are the people are so, nobody nobody know, even I know what I

know what you know that you do you know you're saying the time you can't get in the

day of or I or he or he's to make when it happens, so you

know, it's like so, he's going to I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm,

I'm, I'm, I'm the person, but, but who's you're you're

the don't know the event? You know, so, in reality they jogging many things, they solve many

things, they're doing the proper UFC does it, and you know what happens, the proper not over the

people, we're doing this job, uh, for you know, about it's critiquing and saying, they're talking about not my

job, uh, and I'm a thing, but everything, but, but, so,

so, so, it's a guy, but, I, uh, I,

I said to, when he, he looked at when he looked on the, I went to and I'm, oh,

he's a little, we're, you know, I never I'm going to be the time it's not going to be going to be able to

talk, I'm going to have to be a head mental, gigantees to me can't be going to be able to let's see, there,

many people are that I'm not trying to be that much, many of the man, I'm, I was coming on the strata

to come in a video, Michael Chandling, Dushopor, Dush, Gait, and the, all the four were talking,

like, that were me to that, and you were this, and you were It's like, no, it's not a way to be talking, you're going to be, ah, I'm going to

do, it, it's going to happen, and it's going to go. Let's go ahead. Let's go ahead. It's like I said, for this last month of the day 21 of October, I want to be able to be able to be people who really gobbels to me, to make me to make a great fight, may be doing a grand camp, and then,

then, the man there's going to say, it's going to say, it will be going to be. You feel that in In some moment, you, maybe you may be maybe she's

talking about, you know, to say, no, I'm not, I'm going to do you're going to happen, so,

I'm going to do you know, like, I'm going to get some, I'm going to talk about the confidence you're

to say, but the moment, the other thing, the only lucre that I'm saying, the bestreterer, was that, I'm a lot of this, man,

I'm erreye, I'm sorry and if you see my posture completely different of the ultimate of the

other lute, I don't I'm going, a, A we, in a life, we can't err one way so. When you have this time, you don't have, you

can't even try to get a bigotus, that I don't go err again. If you're going to get all my other lutas, you will see that I don't know 10% of what I lute.

Not the RETT, not a commentarice that comes on Bester, no, but the guy who can't get all the other the other's lutas,

even that I per die, you will see that I don't feel that I'm going to get that I'm all the most of my comments, of all the other

the other I'll see that the only one of the other one's head you're going to beckxed a little, you're going to be the I'm going to hear you know, I just want to be happy, old, you know, pet of the people that I love, you know, pet the people who I love to do with Brazil or in a great rata, God, God, God, God, God, God, God, you're going to be a great thing. It's a bit more difficult to be able to say, it's more important, you're in full of The fused orarer, too, it's a bit of,

but how are you your program of your programation by the fact of being a good, where you've got, you've got, you went to some

days with the time, and your idea to travel to when? I'm going to go two weeks to

last, two months before I don't know, I don't do you want to do you know,

I'm going to the guy was going to I'm saying, the guy, I'm sure she, I'd say,

I'd say it, the people Brazilian who were the people, everyone would be it and it's,

and it's, but more one one way, they've left to go to the house of my own, I'm not in

my other my other I'm always this time I'm going to do this this way we're doing. So, in reality, we're not

going to get much time long of the time, you know, the more important is you're being here,

that's things happens, so in the time right, so, that we, we're, we're just with the

team, we're trying to be the time to be the time, we're going to story. You never never

a revanch in the MA. You did three in the UFC and got those three for nocout of finalization. You're a guy who goes

to always to exaltar the marks that you conquists and those records and this is a more.

This is a more. With a certain man, with a certain people,

we don't get to wincee, we can do wincee, we're a guy, so this is a goodest,

but I have a dream I'm going to be a champion of the new, I want to continue doing a story, I want to show for a munichato of the favela

that's in the we can't even that we can't make a record we're going to be to be a record you're going to talk about

we're going to do you I'm going to the most important to not I'm not a hundred guys in my

costs that are just me sugar it's just it's a that really me really who really who really

who really do you're and you're and you're you're going to and you you're is all is just

is going to that that little that's a little people are the people are the people people are

many people when I batte when I batte with a rapper people said that people said

that they're not the other the other the no one I know I got

photo with a photo when I got and I feller I'm in I'm feelingere I so in so I'm going

to put if I'm got to go back and I'm passionate with animals my body all tattooed with

animals and And why not? Leone, I'm going to do here is that I want to do. So, I want to continue maintaining, doing this one,

and I'm going to say, more than the other this here. I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm trying to be happy, I'm, being happy,

those things that are going to be the day 21? I don't know. I believe in the power of my hands. You just

see, you know, back on the Maudaub, with a centuron, a little time after, some days after,

after, after the night, after the dinas of Beraoera, loted of the F. And you, you're coming there, the lights

apagum and you enter in the gymas with a gymnaso with I'm in I don't say

I thought I thought I thought I thought I think I'm much in this because two of the

football will be there's there's I'm going to be there present with the

I think the people I think the good of this definitely for the proportion

we're in the person because of this citron to come to come

and some years I remember I remember I remember I was I was

I think was it was in New of the January, and do nothing, he's the

telon zon zon gigantec, the Anderson Sylvan with the music of his, and I shored much in that

day, and I said, and I said, it's a day this will happen with me, a day I will have

a time, he's also he's going to this will happen so I'm going to give me a fathom more than

I can't carry, I'm sure that God because he has a different, the same

a month, at the same date, more one once passing my anniversary there, I'm going to me dedicate, I'm going to do

make a story, I'm going to be a champion, the name of St. Jesus, if I'm the no, the point of the

day four of November, we're doing a great festival with all the people of the people of the people who are with my

people, and being being being getting a lot, it's very important. For the

category, it's taking the foe like always, there, there's many people anxious to

know the people, and sure and the , and yet the last one of his own

he's a new chance of the centaur. He's a guy who's revented and did a good lot. You think

that, passing, obviously, your focus principal, is Marachev, obviously, but you

think the the rest of the guy that's the next place, in the final way, or you

see other person, who may have a person, I don't see. I don't see. He's a guy did a

great deal, he came saying a lot of this lot of against me, would be a lot of

legal, but in reality, I don't go to think one after a other, you know, we're just

just to focus on a thing, and then we're thinking in Issa, if it's going to do the want to

go to back to get to get back, get to keep to get my team to see who the next

the field. Ness A Budab you will find out of other, you have a card

full of many of various duels in Brazil and Brazil and Russia, one of one of

the Paul Borachin against the Ranzak Kmaev and you also you have been

by the internet in participations of programs he posted on the social, doing alfinetat in you and how is, how is the

kind of is that you're so I'm going to be a encounter of you? Or it's a sentiment ruin,

he said, he said, he said a lot of things, like, I don't go and he said,

he said, I'm in the real time, I'm trying for him, for all the people, for who we

want to make, I'm going to make, I don't know the person, I don't

or another against anyone. He has a great fight in front. I hope that he wins, because he vancerno, with the final there's not in

the final there. To be able to happen to happen. I don't have a mago of nobody. I'm not about me.

I'm not faring about me. I'm just, me defended that he was talking. But that's part. Recently, in the Shatbox,

you received a visit of Yang Gary. Trenor with you then, after a time in Minnesota. How is this training with a

guy that is seen by the I'm Llandese, like the future, like the proper appellate he says, a future champion, he'll be in the middle of the future, he's been,

what you're going to be, what you know, what he does, get him to octagon, and then he's a little bit more than a academy. Yeah, it's a

man, he's a man, he's a lot, he's a lot of, he's a person, of the gents, you know, a guy who's a

guy who's a much a little bit a man, a man, and the family and the family and the family and the family,

he's very important. It's a man who came here all the he's all He was playing, he's great training,

you know, he was a great battle through the time, you're trying to send him, you can't see

this way, so it's like, I'm going to get to get in to get back to get back, you know, many people,

get a new people, want to be, many people, get the other, but, yeah,

yeah, always, like, the, people, you know, with a great, the, you know, with a

person, he came to, if I'm gonna go, if I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna, so,

torsening, gigantesically, it seemed like it was, like, brother, our, like, a little bit of a little bit of a funerousand. So, it was creating a finity gigantic. And the guy came to

back to, like, he said a great train. A lot of, a guy very respectful, you know, I hope to, you know, sum up to, for that he possibly

have made a porrada there. So we could, like, to add some other to him, it was legal to make more.

Also, after he said, during the lot of the the lot of us, it was very important, so we're

really, just to just to always comment that he got to dojit it's,

he was a lot of but it's a lot of because you've got to be the revenge

to the Ravent yeah, the UFC is planning to do do that for December

to do a event of a event of another, he's even even though the clobor

to the San Pierre, yeah I think the year the day 14 of December

you you know, you know, a lot that you would be a lot of a lot of

a different or a other one of some of the most of the most of the

of the story? Yeah, it would be very important for me, you know, like to do a lot of a lute a shu-misho

I like much, so, it would be important with a certain I'd like that if you'd have this opportunity to do that

would be a man, a man, a man I think I'm a guy that I appreciate a guy who

he's got with him, he said, he said, he said, he'd be able to but he or he or any

other person for me, it would be much good to do not, because me in rhythm of

competition. I like to be in this rhythm. And, poor, how I say this, if it was against champion, it would be a marvelous. Now, we're going to pass to the show to fight week and bathe with Tiago Moises, adversary of Beno and Sandenia in UFC, Paris. On the other side of the line,

I see, Tiago Moises, that in this sabbado, enfreta benoit Sandinio, in the UFC in Paris. My man, I'm going to be direct from the France, there a few days, I'm going to be in a porrado

more of the UFC. How is the expectation in the busk, a victory, I'm a victory a victory

a victory and then you're a lot of the first thing the best of the bestatea the best of the first of

this lot, I'm very well to be living in the France and I'm I'm happy I'm pleased to be here,

I'm looking against the Banoa that's an opponent also so it motivates a lot of

so much for you that in the last last last year that was kind of biggoused

to try of the adversary, picking the loot maybe in the same the hour, now he's a time

a time that is going to very in the UFC, too, after of some the result of the result of

how this does you have a time decent of preparation after the especially the lot of

the UFC Rio, so after the fight a lot of the UFC Rio, I passed a

time in Brazil, I was trying to try to keep a time with my family

and when I went to the United After a time training, I was, in the I would, in 12th of August, when I was Raphael of the Anjus

who fought against Vincent Luke, I would have to fight the then he not accepted to look to look to look at

after Rafa Garcia. The lute was set, the contract was signed, he also came to the opponent, then the UFC

caused this this battle here in Paris and I'm here now. Of all the options, you thought

that SACC was the was better? in terms of levels of of the adversaries, of position in the ranking like,

compared the Benoit with Raffa with Raffa Garcia, with the Nassad? I think the Banoa an athlete a lot of

Raffa Raja and that's an adversary much more complete, but so in terms of ranking, I believe

that a victory about a victory against a Nassar to Raphah Ravis. Well, he's being

the embalad there, of three victories for interruption. In the last, including, he finalized a Brazilian who was a really rapid

in the same, which was the most of the thing. What do you more? But the attention in the game of his chutes,

he's a lot with a penalty to the right, for being a lot of the body, so he explorers to the corporate,

so he also, he also has a grappling very good, and I think it's an an adversary very

complete, there's good quas in good jiu-jitsu. How is the way

the way to be the part of the part of the process, that's the speciality then the

finalization of the new, then I get two matalions in the I see the

two ways to the lot, so the lot of the time.

I'm I'm thinking I'm I'm the better that you're you know, we're

we said, we're with a guy that's embaled also in the division, you think that's going to he can't

you can't you put to you know, because we know the category Pes-Lever also a category very congestion

yeah, it's a lot for a matter quadrado, so at a time to get to get to

top 15 it has been a alignment of starles there, no, but I

think I think a victory about it over it not I would put it

to be to the top 15, not. Allend the more because I think

now who is the number 15 is the Diego. Diego was coming of three

three or four, if I'm not even me again. And then he got the Michael

Johnson, who is a different that's a time that's not a good, so to enter in

top 15. And it's a guy that you have also, so, this point

to be the favor. And what the rest of the end of the rest of the end being

being in Paris, will take a time with the family to rest, to take a city and the plan is to get,

maybe more than this year? Or is more realistic, imagine that in the year that you come to be, you know,

you'll go back. The scenario perfect would wince this battle rapid on Saturday, and mark a lot to say

San Paulo, the day 4 of November, it would be a scenario perfect or if not to not

in November here in States, there's there's also, it would be good. But for

in a while I'm just focused on this Lutas Saturday, that is an anniversary of the front and then we think in the next few steps, but this would be the scenario perfect for me.

You're not looking in San Paulo? This janela of two months between one or another is a thing that would be a very thing is true for you do. Obviously if not, you're not going to be a loss saying no lesson,

two months is a time okay to put one or another. I think it's between the UFC Parin of UFC, If I don't me I'm in

nine seven days, it would be to get to a time and then

then I'm to work to do you do you do you do it before we finish

a minute to we have a recent of Jason Gates getting being position in the division

and will have been the dipute to the public to do the Raventhebe

and the Rachev and the Chars of Bromx you who know Ratchev you can't he UFC, it's a lot

principal. There was a five rounds. There was a opportunity to confront the guy for three rounds and a half.

Sentil the force of the guy there did the lot of the what you what you know what you

did the last time in Abodab this second of this re-encontro of his he's a

champion not, not it's not not for a cause, the people said, but he

didn't look with with people but we could see in the his lot of

he, he's there, he's one of the world, and the he was he was there

was there was also being there being there being there the lot of Volcanovies with Slan

also, he also he's, he's human that also can't, so I think if

the Charles enter with the head that he entered to with Darius, I believe

that he can't great chances to say with victory. And for for you, what would

be the your centuron? You think the fact of you, maybe for you implacar a good sequence of victories

to be able to be the champion, the fact of the marceve being a champion, could create a narrative of a

revenge? You'd perhaps a kind of a future? I think that this scenario, with

certainly would be, it's more beneficial, not for me, but I'm torsying much by

the victory of Charles. I'm inspired I love very on him as a lotator, I love him and I'm sure that he wins

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