Move The Line - Bills vs. Rams Player Prop Bets: NFL Week 5 MNF

Episode Date: October 12, 2026

Ryan Noonan and Connor Allen take a final look at NFL Week 5 with a full breakdown of the Bills-Rams Monday Night Football player prop market. They discuss their favorite passing, rushing, and receivi...ng props, highlighting the projections, matchup edges, and prices that stand out before kickoff.Subscribe to 4for4's Betting Package or try SharpStack free for 7 days: https://www.4for4.com/plansWatch Move The Line on YouTube: https://4for4.co/3OupraJJoin the Discord: http://discord.gg/4for4Follow the show: https://x.com/MoveTheLineNFLConnor: https://x.com/ConnorAllenNFL | Ryan: https://x.com/RyNoonan Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:09 Hello and welcome to move the line presented by Sharpstack. Ryan Noonan joined here as always by Connor Allen. A little Monday night football talk, a little Sharpstack coming off of a really wild week of football games in week five. I know, Connor, you were boots on the ground in Lambo, watching the Bears get curbsomped by the pack. How are we doing? Good, yeah. It was a wild like two-hour span, maybe three-hour span because I was watching the Bears game. They were pretty much in it.
Starting point is 00:00:37 obviously got smoked at the end. Tyson Beijing was throwing ducks. It just didn't look good, top to bottom. I mean, his balls just didn't have a lot of, like, velocity on them. Honestly, I was kind of, like, really unimpressed with how that looked,
Starting point is 00:00:48 live in person. And then, you know, getting the car to start driving home, and Jane Daniels, under 198 and a half passing yards, loses by 199 in the last play. So that sucked. And they don't even, like,
Starting point is 00:01:04 whatever, do whatever. And then I'm like, okay, well, we got, you know, AJ Barner under and CMC under still the next card. That's, I mean, looking okay or at least possible to win. AJ Barner catches a ball in the last drive. It was just like one thing after another where I'm like, you got to be kidding me.
Starting point is 00:01:21 You know, he talked about Mike Washington stuff. I ping the discord about it and was like, hey, Genti's probably going to miss. Mike Washington is going to play a bunch. Dylan Lauby outtaches Mike Washington prior to garbage time, not even garbage time. Prior to garbage time, he outtaches of that. Ramandre Stevenson there was some rumors about him being limited so I played speculatively played
Starting point is 00:01:41 some under 10 and half rush attempts. Trayvion Anderson gets injured and like they're a first thing in the second quarter and it's Ramon like it like it was like you know what? This is it like this is just like how I need to stop it right now like move on to the next day so I was like we got to turn this off. I was like I don't even want to watch the night game at that point I was like you know I got enough out so super tilting and honestly I think it ended up being a fine day I think I was like maybe three and four or whatever was something like four and five it was didn't end
Starting point is 00:02:08 being like the worst day I've ever had but it was the way that it lost was just like dagger after dagger after dagger I didn't realize that the jaden danious thing was that close until uh overtime and again losing the last play he had 115 yards going into overtime or something like that it was like 120 yards like he wasn't even close like it was like I was like oh this is yeah great bet this is this is amazing nope cam scadaboo doesn't fumble games over win there. Nope. He fumbles. Like just a million ways to win, one way to lose. And we got there. Yeah. Well, you can't, you know, you got to find the bottom to bounce back up. So, right. It's great. I did, yeah, I independently did some of the same stuff. I obviously
Starting point is 00:02:51 as discussed to take the other side. So I didn't play Ramandria under by laddered a bunch of, you know, travion stuff. Got some, some soft Mike Washington stuff as we were getting some of that Genty News, which seemed pretty good. Some of the reporting on, like, Saturday night, Sunday morning was like, it doesn't look like Genties going to go. But yeah, UNH Wildcats, Dylan Lobby, back up in New England, you know, how to show out for friends and family and get some touches up there. So tough, tough stuff.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Unreal. Yeah, and yeah, as you've, everyone is seen at this point. I mean, one of the all-time insane endings of a football game that I've seen in terms of what happened with the commanders. And I know we want to like dunk on Dan Quinn and like the same thing to happen in the early game in London, which I'm not sure you've probably seen some highlights or some of the stuff with like the kickoff and Siriani. I don't know what Siriani is supposed to do there either. Literally the only possible scenario that could happen was exactly what happened for the Jaguars. They needed to get a punt or a kickoff return.
Starting point is 00:04:00 into field goal range, he couldn't have run any further. He would have lost time. Like, so it was like the perfect scenario because if you, yeah, yeah, it's just a bad play. Players making bad plays. Like Jane Daniels, you are the quarterback and the leader of the team and you got it.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Like, there's no way when the play breaks down and someone's not doing what they're supposed to do. Like there were two options. I would think actually probably really still one option. Throw the football out of bounce. You can't eat that and dive. And at first he was no sense of. emergency to get back to the line. Then he's like, oh, we're going to get back to the line.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Just wild. Too late. Yeah. And then like, hey, you know what? It starts at the top. Buddy, you are the top, man. Like, you is not a good look. So, yeah. Donnie, Donnie's rep in New Hampshire, too. So understands the value of that U.N.H. Wildcat, Tuddy from, uh, from Dylan lobby at there. Sorry. Of course. Yeah. To our Mike Washington bags. So bang her on Monday night. Bill's Rams. Before we do, I want to talk to, share the Play-Vo stuff because this is a new game.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Probably should have been in the space a while ago, kind of a blend of sports betting, broad-betting, I mean, like DFS cash games. You want to tell the people about Play-Vos to check out the cut contest. Yeah, it's pretty cool. This new company called Playvo. They launched Cut Contest where basically they have a $25 and $100 option. You can enter once. The top 50% of entries make. Again, like they make double their entry minus the rate of like 10%.
Starting point is 00:05:35 So all you do is enter 25 bucks. And then they give you like a $1,000 bankroll to enter. And then you make picks. And whoever ends up with the higher bankroll, if you end up finished in the top half, you double your money. So the bar is pretty low. Some of the ones I've done.
Starting point is 00:05:48 So there's only three people in here right now. A couple more people will fill up. That doesn't really matter. Again, it's just like you finish the top half. It's fine. You get paid out. But, but yeah, if you like you really only need to just like make I think the line right now is like 4% on your money.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Like most people lose money. If you make like 4 to 5%, you make like 20, 30 bucks, you basically win. So I put in like a bunch of like eight to 10 different plays from our EV tool on Sharpstack on, you know, some of your tackle stuff, some of my like longest rush unders that I've just kind of been jamming. So I've been put in a bunch of random stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:21 It's going all right so far. So it's pretty cool. I think it's live in almost every state too. So it's kind of a good way, I think. And there's probably be more contests, more like, you know, traditional kind of like low risk, high win type of scenarios as well eventually. But for now, it's just like 50-50. So it's kind of fun.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And they have props, obviously, too. So they have like all the different, you know, tackle props, rushing, receiving, all that stuff. So check it out. Let's know if you have any questions. If you find more information, we'll get some information in the show notes. Both of us have tweeted about it today in the last couple days too. So check it out if you have any questions. You know, use the links that we have there in our tweets.
Starting point is 00:06:58 and yeah, check it out. It's, again, kind of a unique style. I feel like a fresh game was needed in the space. It feels like a lot of things are, we've been around for a little bit at this point. So a nice little fresh offering over at Playboy. Check it out. All right, Sharpstack.
Starting point is 00:07:12 I'll bring that up and take a look at the Bills. Rams, three, three and a half. Shop around if you have a lien, that would matter, being on the right side of a key number. Total pretty much 54.5 across the board. Good football game. We would expect this to be, you know, a nice possible
Starting point is 00:07:29 Super Bowl match in terms of where these teams are in the market. What jumps out to you here? What are you looking for most? Is there anything in the prop market that you want to attack? Thoughts on Bill's Rams. Yeah, we have Rams and our circuit contests.
Starting point is 00:07:41 I have in the other one as well. At three, again, I think you can probably still get threes at like minus one, you know, 10, minus 15 or something if you wanted to shop around here, because we're seeing minus three and a half, minus 102. At Draft Kings, minus three and a half, my plus 11 in Novig.
Starting point is 00:07:57 So, I mean, you might have a, you know, you even be able to get minus three for really wrong there. Three minus one 11 at Pinnacle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:08:06 So I like the Rams here. I think that this Bill's defense has a lot of problems. Bill's offense, too, when you think about it, like, they just really haven't played all that many good teams, you know, and I think that they're just like a little bit fraudulent overall. So I'm kind of more into the Rams side here. I think the Rams have success running the ball. I think the Rams have success throwing the ball.
Starting point is 00:08:28 They're getting Aaron Donald back on the defensive side, whereas the bills, like, you know, DJ Morris banged up. And so you might be getting, I think he's going to play as of now. But if he doesn't play, you're going to get a starting wide receiver core of Khalil Shakir in the slot. Skyler Bell in the DJ Moore role, like the slot flanker kind of role, the Z. And then Keon Coleman starting X receiver, who I know that you're interested in the props. And we talked about that. I think we'll have to bring it up here. But overall, I can't say that it's a very inspiring receiving court right now.
Starting point is 00:09:04 No, no, not at all. Yeah, he brought it up on Prop Trap on Friday a little bit. Slop was not having any of it. I would say you were at least a little bit more receptive. Yeah. I think Slop shut it down pretty quickly. I think we, you know, as human beings, we knew evolve, you know, and, you know, give this guy a chance.
Starting point is 00:09:24 What doesn't matter is that if DJ Moore is out, He's getting targets and he's out there a lot more. And that's all we're trying to do. I understand the priors. I understand that Keon Coleman actually might not be good. We have a pretty large sample of that being the overwhelming truth here. But if Josh Allen's your quarterback, you're running around 75 to 80 percent of the snaps and you're getting targeted on like 25 percent of them.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Well, guess what? You're going to come down with a ball or two with an ADOT of like 15 to 20. we'll get like some games of 27. It's not really hard to get past 38 and a half receiving yards. And I know that the ramp secondary is pretty solid. But this is a guy that's really, you know, popped off in these spots without DJ Moore. We have the two games where DJ Moore, like basically didn't play slash left early in weeks two and four. And in both of those games, we saw pretty solid outputs from from Keon Coleman.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Otherwise, with DJ Moore in the lineup. And again, no, it's not like there's not a risk of him reagravating this injury that he's already reagravated. I still think Keon Coleman's pretty live. Like I think his role is important as a field stretcher. Otherwise, they're asking a lot of like a Skyler Bell. Again, without Josh Palmer. So maybe like Keon Coleman absorbs some of that Josh Palmer stuff as well, even though that's a pretty low share and not a big target owner,
Starting point is 00:10:43 but like the way that he wins works pretty well for trying to get over a 38.5 threshold. So that would be a lean, but obviously we're waiting for that information in terms of DJ more. Yeah. I mean, I don't mind it. Receive 36 and a half here at DK is not bad. I mean, any thought about like him matching up against, you know, like McDuffie at all for a reasonable chunk of his snaps and just being like way worse? Sure. So the McDuffie stuff is interesting.
Starting point is 00:11:07 We are waiting also on the Rams side for Quentin Lake. Really important piece for them. Without Quentin Lake in the lineup, we're going to see a lot more McDuffie in the slot because the way that the Rams would Jalen Watson back and with like whoever's going to be, you know, next man up for them. they have a couple other guys that they rotate a little bit with Josh Wallace and Emmanuel Forbes those guys are both going to play in the perimeter so you would see a lot more McDuffie in the slot against 11 personnel so that actually might work well for Keon Coleman he'd probably you know avoid a little bit of McDuffie but like young Coleman's a big dude too like I mean not the McDuffy's I mean he's not a big guy I know he's
Starting point is 00:11:50 good but at the same time he six five and a pretty good athlete right like that was the thing right he's a shorts and t-shirt all-star not necessarily good at the game but that sometimes can show up in like contested catch jump ball situations you know vertical threat down the field type of situation that's a tough spot for for a trend macduffy but again he probably sees less if he's uh if quentin lakes out the lineup so again these kind of things are they're a little bit correlated in terms of how this is going to play out i'm i'm really interested to see what skylar bell props are posted at um like i'd love for them to be posted you know again like without the DJ Moore will probably get like 13 and a half, 15 and a half, something like that.
Starting point is 00:12:29 With DJ Moore, probably be like not posted or three and a half, something like that. Which I think it's about right. If we don't get DJ Moore, I'm probably interested in playing the over. All the coach speak and like the reporting was that he's basically been like DJ Moore's little brother and just like following him around all camp and I'll practice. Like basically the last like three months since he got drafted in the fourth round. And then he basically has been taking all of DJ Moore's reps and practice. So I would actually, so Greg Dorch is also going to be active. I think that he's more of a Shakir replacement than a DJ Moore replacement.
Starting point is 00:13:05 So I think that Scholar Bell would play a ton if DJ Moore were out. Now, does that translate? Is he any good? No idea. But the prop's going to be low enough that I'm willing to pay to find out. Probably like a half unit on the over and then like some sprinkle of alts just in case, you know, he actually is any good. Who knows? I mean, it's definitely possible.
Starting point is 00:13:24 So I think that's kind of a fun one. I don't know if you're interested in any other pass catchers for for either side. There's a lot of like incillary options for the Rams as well that are lined. Colby Parkinson is 17 and a half, Davis Allen, seven and a half. Jordan Whittington, five and a half. There's one more. I think, yeah, Higbee's 26.5. Yeah, actually, I really like to Higby.
Starting point is 00:13:47 I was considering playing Higby on prop drop, but I wanted to wait for the Colby. Parkinson news looks like Parkinson's going to be active. The last couple of weeks, like Higby's been crushing. Obviously with, you know, T. Ferg out and, you know, Parkinson's been dinged up. I mean, he was, he was completely uninvolved, like 5% route participation in the first couple of weeks and then jumped up to like 80%. And again, last week, it was no Ferguson or Parkinson. So it's a little different now with Parkinson, but like, he's just kind of a, I think just
Starting point is 00:14:22 a trusted guy in that offense. I think he's still probably viable in the low 20s. I think, you know, depending on what you think of the game script. So I like that one. The other one that's been a little bit of, I don't think there's a little bit of coach speak-ish after last week for Dalton Kincade. I think the media in Buffalo was like, hey, why is Dalton KKKK basically not an option? Like, you actually ran fewer routes, you know, in the game against New England with DJ Moore out. Like, you would think that, okay, DJ Moore's out.
Starting point is 00:14:52 why wouldn't Dalton Kikade get more involved? He was less involved. And I think it happened a couple times and it seemed like Joe Brady was annoyed at the question. So you can just see some like, you'll shut you guys up. We're going to get him back involved. I think his sealing outcomes are pretty high.
Starting point is 00:15:06 So I don't necessarily like just his binary prop, but you want to sell me on a Dalton Kukade stealing type outcome where you want to ladder him or take some alts. I think that would be probably pretty interesting. Again, probably more viable with DJ Moore out. Yeah, I would agree. I think his actual number,
Starting point is 00:15:22 of steaming a little bit high. I think the coach speak is fine. I think it makes sense. It's, but it's like everyone has heard. I feel like a lot of people, it's going around. It's making its rounds, you know, like. And the matchup is not necessarily ideal overall. The Rams have done a pretty good job of limiting tight ends.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Now they haven't really played a ton. They've been like a limited George Kittle and then a bunch of bombs. So it's, you know, kind of give or take there. But yeah, 55 and aft highest Kincaid line I can remember maybe ever. Yeah. So again, just generally when you look at these things historically, you don't like to, it's tough to take over is on historically high lines for players because usually there's a reason for that being the case. So yeah, I definitely, I agree with you. I think that it's alter nothing for me there. The, I think that with Davis Allen and Higby and Parkinson active, they'll probably go back to playing a lot of 13 personnel, I would guess, which means that we won't see much, or any Jordan Whittington,
Starting point is 00:16:22 canada Mumpfield or yeah it's just either of them too they play a lot more in 11 but now it's been tough because you don't really have any games you don't have any games without Ferguson without these guys so it's like there's not really a sample
Starting point is 00:16:36 to really pick from so we don't really know I would anticipate them doing that but yeah I'm not really sure here to be honest a miserable underswet if you're considering those like under five and a half under six and a half it's literally just one ball that's a tough part is like
Starting point is 00:16:51 If you see the snap chart tool here that we built, it's like, like Whittington starts at 11 last week, and then like, you know, when Mumfield plays a little bit, it was interesting with Higby is he didn't really play much at first, but then if you look at snaps by play,
Starting point is 00:17:07 it was mostly just like a lot of random running plays early. And then when they were passing the ball every play, it was just like, Higby was in like basically the entire game. Well, click on the formation tab, too, because then from there it's a little bit, you can see up on the very top next to the pillbox. formation and personnel oh yeah for brisional yeah here you go so you get a sense that too
Starting point is 00:17:27 that LA defense here you know I'm sorry to false the defense it's my fault yeah what's going on yeah well how do we default the defense what what are we doing no there you go so you want to see what do you want to look at here specifically you just see like how often they're on the field depending on what they're running for her for looks yeah so Mumfield and Whittington, like, didn't play outside 11 personnel. Yeah. So, and then you can look at week three, L.A. against Denver. They were a little bit healthier.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Mumfield played. Whittington, again, played a little bit, actually, outside of personnel because Pooko was out. And then same thing here. You have Pook out. Mumfield played a bunch. So it's like, what do you even compare this to? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:18:18 It's like, because then you have the Pooka injury. Like, yeah, Wittington didn't play against. out of seven personnel. The 10-ins were mostly healthy here. So, like, I think this is probably more like, I guess, the closest comp that we can get, right? Like... Tough sweat.
Starting point is 00:18:36 I don't know, man. It's not good enough for me, I think, to pull the trigger on under, like, six and a half, because they're going to be out there. Yeah. They're still going to run 11 personnel. So that's the problem. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:46 What do you make of the Kairn passing game work? Obviously, that's... Yeah, it was a pretty massive part of the last week. I think sometimes those are just how the game state goes and aren't necessarily like, hey, we came into it. We saw this as an issue who wanted to attack and get, uh, Kairn involved. I just think it was kind of how the game works and what the defense was giving them. Now again, I don't think the market like over responded to the number either necessarily,
Starting point is 00:19:11 um, but any thoughts on that being, you know, sticky in a second straight week. Yeah, I mean, I think it seems like when the chips are down, there's been the quote is like it's Kyran. Like if they're back against the wall, if they're throwing the ball, if they need to get back into it, it's Kiron. I would anticipate that not be the case here. I think that the Rams win. I think that they run the ball well. I think that they're like good on offense. I think that Korum here is actually undervalued. If I would play anything on Kairn, I think I would lean under on some of the receiving work, even though his receiving role has been good. I kind of like the rushing game here of maybe quorum overs. I played Kairn Williams' first quarter under. It was like under 16 and a half.
Starting point is 00:19:51 This guy, I don't know, Tyvin, Ty, he's like, he tweeted out basically saying that the Rams always like to defer and the bills when they've got, when they won the toss of both elected to receive both times. So that means that there's probably only going to be two-ish drives for the Rams in the first quarter. And we know that the Rams is at least since after like McMuda through last year, just like to rotate the first two or three drives between Kyran and Corum outside of like a long drive. so you're probably only getting one Kyran drive and then one quorum drive. I actually think quorum at four and a half rushing yards in the first quarter is actually pretty good too. Over four and a half and then under Kyran, 16 and a half. So again, the odds of you getting like a sixth drive in the first quarter total. So it would be like three and three is just pretty low.
Starting point is 00:20:40 So I kind of think that's a fun one. Kind of like a fun angle there. But I don't know, any thoughts on the running games? I like the, you know, you're an angle shooter. I think that's a good angle to shoot there a little bit, a little bit of interesting. I know our guy swerve has been, you know, on that quorum first quarter, first half, rushing stuff
Starting point is 00:21:02 when the books oblige in post numbers. But again, this is the opposite of Kincai, right? This feels like the lowest quorum line we've seen since, I don't know, maybe like week 10 or 11 last year. We started to really kind of ascend. And those climb from like, I remember betting quorum, one week is, you know, of an official play. I think back to the well, back to back weeks.
Starting point is 00:21:23 It was like 29 and a half. And then I think the next week was like 31 and a half. And then those were gone. Then it was always like 40 something. But now we're kind of back into the low 30s, which we haven't been to for a while. So I do think it's a little bit of overreaction to what we've seen of late. You know, Kyrian's been good.
Starting point is 00:21:38 But Blake Korn's also good at the game and is not going to be dead. Just quiet a couple weeks. This is pretty funny. They're posting a Ray Davis line of two and a half rushing yards here. I don't honestly I can't tell you like when he's gotten his carries. That's why you go over here. Let's see where he's gotten his carries. Pretty early.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Second quarter the last time. And then he got his last carry was in week one. So he didn't have one week two or three. Also early in the game. So again, not a good sweat. Live bet him at the, you know, end of the first quarter. After first carry. Just bet the under.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Just bet the under. I'm going to get it. I'm going to do that for fun. That would be great. Yeah, he's going to get one. It's going to be early, but then he likely doesn't get another. So it's a good look. Again, this is one of the reasons you can use this tool.
Starting point is 00:22:27 You get the snap charts and the formations. You get a sense of how you think that game's going to play out. Because sometimes you're just trying to extrapolate week to week looking at like rolling, you know, rolling productions, especially with like how these uses can change. You know, it definitely matters. So check that out. It's a tool that we have over at 4-4. I love those things.
Starting point is 00:22:49 important part of our week-to-week builds. Yeah. What else we got? Anything else? I think, so we had a question here. Kincaid touchdown. You know, we don't necessarily bet a ton of touchdowns here, but we could look at this real quick.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Let's see, I don't even know what the odds are. Plus 170? No, I didn't at least two to one, I think, here total. And then so two and a half is crazy. Welcome to the show, Jamin. This is, I like to bet some sick unders. It's fun when it makes sense. So, yeah, I think the live angle from Newton is great.
Starting point is 00:23:27 I'm going to do it just for fun. You know, I'm probably not going to have a ton of money on it, but I'll do it anyways. And then what about the Parkinson and Higbee under when they both played? I did look at this, actually, was the Parkinson under receptions. It was two and a half earlier. Now it's like, yeah, two and a half minus 200, though, or plus money in under one and a half. I don't mind that. I guess I worry, though.
Starting point is 00:23:49 I don't mind a two and a half, whatever laying. I mean, yeah, you've got to lay two and change. You're not catching three balls. He just doesn't play enough, I don't think. I don't think so. And I think Higby kind of carved out a bigger role. And like, he's crushed the last two weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if he runs more routes.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Parkinson wasn't running a ton of routes. He's playing a decent bit, but wasn't running a bunch of routes. So I kind of think under one and a half, even a plus money, it's okay. I don't know. I mean, am I crazy here? He's just like, what was less than Parkinson played? It was a week three, right? he played.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Yeah. Yeah. He was in, but he only ran like, I think it was, yeah, he like ran 18 routes, something like that. And that was, you know, it's just not very many. One target.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Yeah. And it's gonna be sweaty. It's sweaty, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's bad. You know, I think the game state matters too. I don't think, I think we both like the Rams and we like the Rams at three. Maybe not something I'd be,
Starting point is 00:24:49 tripping over myself to go bad at three and a half but like either way i don't think this game creates a game state where it becomes these teams are out of their normal flow i guess um right we're not going to have like this super run heavy second half for one team or um or vice versa so i don't know i wouldn't get too crazy in terms of predicting game state right we got a scholar bell line on profit x look at that under half a reception minus 100 only offering one side so some Someone wants to take over one catch for even money, basically. That's what that's saying. You know what?
Starting point is 00:25:25 I agree. Maybe I should get out on this and start posting some stuff there and see if anyone will bite. But we don't know if DJ Moore is out. I mean, one catch is nothing. He can still get that anyways. He can still get one catch. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Yeah. Yeah. Jay Main, I don't think we're trying to go get the pregame under on Ray. But I do think if you have access to, I know some shops are not doing live ads as much as they used to, but possible, probably gets posted after he gets that first, right? So like, you know, let him get that first carry, give it two, three minutes, and he'll probably show up on the live screen because sometimes they wait until they see a player's playing
Starting point is 00:26:06 or wait until he's on the field before posting live stuff. So that would be the angle that I would take if you're looking to get real D-Gen stuff, but hey, find any angle we can get. I don't mind this is an angle either, Knoxwood or 9 and F longest reception. I mean, he's only going to get one or two targets. He's got to hope it's under 10 yards. It's not bad. Yeah, it could be an end zone target too.
Starting point is 00:26:30 Exactly, true. Yeah. Very true. I guess only other things that I did play is I played a couple of longest rush hunters. The model, I built a model for this. They liked under 12 and a half, 15 and a half for Cook and for Kyron. Okay. I played a, it's just a soft opener on James Cook.
Starting point is 00:26:49 I saw a 69 and a half rushing at open. He's up into that. I just think he should always kind of be mid-70s or so. So I think the path of the bill is having success either way is getting James Cook involved. There's another situation coming out of the last game against New England. It's like James Cook got out whatever he wanted. And the bills win that football game if they give James Cook the ball 20 times.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Instead, they gave him the ball like 15 times. Josh had to force some stuff through some picks and I think that that was something they probably looked at this week and were like, hey, we had a lot of success around the football, had trouble protecting Josh. Let's just give James Cook a little bit more action. So I think we see probably a decent amount of James Cook early. So maybe that's an angle to his first half James Cook.
Starting point is 00:27:36 But I like the 69 and a half at open. So it's changing up now to like mid-high 70s, it's a little less appealing. And past the threshold for Connor, I know. Yeah, it's way good. on, especially in a matchup where the Rams have done well against the run outside of week one. Yeah. Also, again, they're only a tough matchup.
Starting point is 00:27:57 So it's like really tough. We're playing sample size game here. So does the one and a half for Stafford and me value? Yeah, I mean, always lean under on that kind of stuff. But you're rolling the dice. It's tough. It's like it's going to be a sweaty one. But I will say if you think that the Rams win, you're probably getting some kneel downs.
Starting point is 00:28:16 So even if you do get a rush, um you know you probably you could backdoor that and it happens all the time true try this is what he uh under nine and a half danny jones this weekend just just just such a low bar like gosh do not take off and he did he had like four or five attempts five rushing yards or four rushing yards or whatever it's like gosh he's he's done but we just got i think that's just something we're i'm going to go to every week until yeah uh yeah i don't think he wants to run he's just not running I mean, Pittsburgh got crushed on. He's not scooting.
Starting point is 00:28:51 So, yeah, and then the unders are nice because Conner's said, you get the baked in out of the kneel downs. So, yeah, I get it, Patrick, threading the needle on these small unders. Not for me. Not fun sweats, especially in an island game. On a Sunday, you can bury it. You're watching a bunch of other games. You don't have to actually, like, hone in on it.
Starting point is 00:29:14 But when you're just, it's just an island game. It's like, man, sweat and stuff. some tackle lenders on island games too. I'm like, get this guy off the field. Like every play, just waiting for that guy to not be near the ball. They're not as fun. I'm not cut out for it like Connor is. So the one that I was looking at here was
Starting point is 00:29:32 Puka Nakua, one and a half rushing yards. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a carry here. I mean, this is some sicko stuff. He had to carry last week. Like, I don't know. It makes sense. I mean, you could also play an alt if you wanted. It's like three to one to have 10.
Starting point is 00:29:48 yards if you think he gets like you know whatever we'll end around here um but over one and a half i don't think it's terrible i think more often than not especially when healthy he'll get a carry so we have a carry line over under a half carry i don't know because he could be tackled in the back field let's see right right that's i was looking at i'm not seeing any nothing all right yeah yeah yeah look at the james cook 16 and a half rushing attempts i'd probably i think that's actually pretty good look to be honest like um Yeah. So I just think that's light. I think that's light for James Cook. But we'll see. All right, check out Sharpstack. Again, free seven-day trial. If you're watching on YouTube or Twitter hanging out with us.
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