On Display with Melissa Gorga - The Baddest Betch (w/ Ryan Bailey)

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Melissa is joined by the man who knows all about Housewives and Hollywood, Ryan Bailey, to talk about the potential recasting of a Housewives franchise, Taylor Swift entering her new dating her era, and why it's ok for straight males to be way into Bravo too.  Plus, because he's now part of the Betches universe, Melissa plays a game with Ryan called, "Who's the Baddest Betch?" to find out who his franchise favorites are. AND we get a little appearance from Joe Gorga to talk about instagram and the infamous Cactus Picture.  This week's sponsors: Peloton - At-Home Workouts: OnePeloton.com/app-membership (30-day free home-trial) PlutoTV - True Crime TV: Pluto.tv Rocket Money - Save Money and Easily Cancel Unwanted Subscriptions: RocketMoney.com/ONDISPLAY ZocDoc - Quality Doctors at Your Fingertips: ZocDoc.com/Melissa 

We have bad seasons of our life, but sometimes maybe this season is going to be my season. We have to normalize liking somebody one season and maybe not liking them the next. Alright guys, I am so looking forward to this podcast. This one's going gonna be super fun. This guy is one of the pop culture people today. And I mean, anything you wanna know about anything he's got all the scoop, he's the host of the So Bad, it's Good Podcast on Betcha's Media.

And I have him on today to give us all of the latest when it comes to reality TV, Bravo drama and just Hollywood in general. Ladies and gentlemen, I have with me Ryan Bailey. What's up, Brian? Melissa, this is, this is like a vision board moment that I'm actually, that I heard you say my name. I never in a mill, when I was watching you record on display on Real Eyes of New Jersey, I never in a million years thought you would ever say my name.

So thank you for having me. I'm just over the moon about this. Oh my god, I love you. I love it. It's so fun on display. That was fun. Did you watch me record that live by the piano? Oh, I'll never forget those season three, baby.

You can't go wrong with season three. The first season, it's just one of those things, you know. We need a full, but like a VH1 behind the music of your like on display of just from now. Like it's been how many years since and we could have Joey, you talk about the goings on, you know, behind the scenes, your children. I mean, this really moved the needle in terms of not just music, but Bravo Liberty songs. I mean, it really is in the top three pantheon of Bravo Liberty songs.

You know, I really think it is too. Everywhere I go, just so you know, people just yell on display to me all the time. So it's stuck. Of course. It's stuck. It was meant to be catchy and fun, and I think it worked.

It was like, I wanna say 13 years ago, right now. It was meant to be catchy and fun. And I think it worked. It was like, I want to say 13 years ago right now. 13 years ago. Yes, because my little one I'll never forget was like crawling on the floor. He was born in 2010. I mean, we're about to be in 2024 pretty soon, right? So that's, I know. But that's how many years ago on display in season three was it would it's it's insane

Anyway, so listen I know that you're an actor your producer your podcast host How did you decide to like jump into the whole podcast game? How did that happen for you? Well, literally I mean it was listen I an actor I've been in like the office how I met your mother and like acting roles and things like that. It's a really, really tough industry, but when I always loved, I loved reality television and pop culture since I was a little kid. I just didn't think you could make any possible money at all talking about these shows or talking about these things that I loved. And also, I'm a straight dude. So to like these shows has always been like

this secret shame where I would talk to like my guy friends, their girlfriends and wives about the shows where they would watch sports. So this was something that I always genuinely loved. And then during like the pandemic or right before I started doing this show so bad, it's good. And just talked about all of this stuff that I so so loved and so many people love these shows as well as you know and it kind of just grew and then grew and grew and finally you know just signed with Betches and we just moved the show over to there a couple of weeks ago. But this is like my dream I get to watch these shows and talk about them on a daily basis. I get to talk about the Kardashians. I get to talk about music.

I get to talk about Travis. I get to talk about Taylor Kardashians. I get to talk about music. I get to talk about Travis. I'm going to talk about Taylor Swift at the Kansas City Chiefs game yesterday. I mean, this is pop culture is just amazing. Oh, and we're going to talk about all of that. And I think, especially when it comes to like the Bravo shows, I appreciate that you're

giving us your opinions and you know, talking about the shows and the drama and all of that. I think that's what makes it so interesting, by the way. You should be on Watch What Happens Live. Have you ever been on Watch What Happens as a guest with Andy yet? No, God, Melissa, but I will tell you, I got to see it. I went to a taping today just a couple hours ago. I just went to my first taping of Watch What Happens Live.

Who was that? Well, it was Jessel and Kate chastain. They pre filmed it But I was just over the moon like I mean I you guys are like superheroes to me Like I can't really stress that enough and I love to joke about you guys and get into all the drama of it But at the end of the day, I have such love and appreciation for Bravo and what all of this, this ecosystem that it's created. I've made my best friends through watching these shows. I mean, so many great things have happened because of these shows. That's why I hate when it gets so dramatic, especially with your show. There's like wars going on, like

fandoms, battle each other. It scares the crap out of me, the fandom sometimes, because it's in the day. I'm like, wait, aren't we all just kind of laughing, and we just take such intense sides, and I see it a lot with your show. Our show is bananas when it comes to that, especially the one side, and I know you know what I'm saying here,

but it's very obvious where a lot of those stories are curated, and they're kind of like fixed into their own little bubbles and like shot out and it's like They're never what you actually are gonna go ahead and watch on the show. It's always a slight twist different It's always like it's like to try to get your brain to think one thing's happening when you watch the show Usually it's the complete opposite that has happened. That's what we tend and that's what our, even our producers notice on our show and they get so frustrated with it because it just gets like regurgitated to these like little bloggers and like all of this to like kind of be put out on social media and it's completely opposite

of what really happened. I mean, it's, I joke about it all the time on my show. I just joke about it today. I said, I get scared to talk about Jersey because it becomes this wrong, different thing. I get it. It's like, my God, like, and I appreciate, especially Jersey, is, you know, you guys have this foundation of family, all housewives, like Salt Lake has religion.

You guys have family. Beverly Hills has like over the top, like wealth and costuming and things of that. But it's just so intense when you deal in family as you know, it seems like it just creates this ripple effect of kind of a negativity in a way that I get scared to enter that fray. Because I'm like, can't we just have a laugh here?

Thank you. Thank you. And you know, have your sides. But like also I Is it crazy that I kind of like everybody at times like do I have to pick a side you don't because you can have an Appreciation for what everyone brings differently to the show and I think if you are a fan right of the real hospitalized of New Jersey You know you you don't we don't need to like hurt don hurt nobody, right? It's like you have to kind of like appreciate everybody's situation and appreciate the show as a whole. And I feel like sometimes Jersey gets a little tricky with that and they didn't get the memo

like the rest of the housewives fans do. Do you know what I mean? It gets a little, oh, I know. I mean, every day I wake up, that's what it's crack. You said the blogs. I like the blog. Like, these blogs are always talking. And then I'm like, I wake up every day.

There's some new Jersey news. And I'm like, is this true? Is this fake? What is going on? What's the real story? Can't we all get along? And every season, it's the same way where you're like pulling your hair out. I mean, that reunion, you guys just like did the last reunion. I was freaking out. And it got an insanely

good ratings. But it was like, I don't, I don't see how you guys throw yourselves into that year after year. Do you get a stomach ache every time you have to like go into a new season of filming? Yes. Like, like, I don't even know even know, obviously, we're in session right now. And it's, you know, can't say too much, but it's a wild ride. Of course, yeah. It's been a wild season, a wild ride.

I think the fans are gonna love this season too, you know, but it's always a little different with Jersey. And that's just the way it is, but I think that's what makes us special, right? That's what makes, you know, that weight. So hold on. I have a little surprise for you. Yeah. First, show me what you were just showing me on your phone. Okay. Because this is his show. So I you guys, I don't know if you. So I have a first edition of Joey Joe Gorgas, the Gorga guide to success. It is his his book he wrote i have a first edition copy

i've been carrying this around now i'm in new york i usually live in los angeles so that's where my copy is but one day i'm hoping to meet joey gorgah or joe gorgah come here i might have you no no there's no he just he walked down the stairs or have him say hi no pick up that phone and show him what you got this is right are Are you? Oh? I have a first edition of your book, Mr. Gorgah. The Gorgah guide to success. I can't believe you're talking to you. I That's insane. I'm good. I'm just I'm just I was telling you your wife that I'm just shocked to even be talking to her But I've been watching you guys for so long and I love everything you crack me up like no other and I'm just shocked to even be talking to her, but I've been watching you guys for so long, and I love everything.

You cracked me up like no other, and I didn't even think I was gonna be talking to you today. I was, Melissa was just a dream to talk to her, but I get to see you in the flesh. That's amazing. How was, you just officiated a wedding? We did. How did it go?

Was it good? That was an amazing, really good man. He pulled that off. He pulled it off. It was also, you know, you're going to see that on the show as well. But let me just tell you, tears, laughing, what's better than crying and laughing to like where your ribs hurt, which is, it's awesome, really. It really was amazing. It was surreal.

I loved it. I was nervous. I was, because it was my family I loved it. I was nervous. I was because it was my family and I wanted to be special and My uncle was he he kind of put put a little twist in it. He was a little nervous So it made me uncomfortable. Yeah, stress me out all day He was you know, he thought I was gonna say some crazy stuff But I kept it sweet and nice and it was great. It really was, man. You didn't put your stand up in there, did you? A little bit, yes, right?

Well, that's what my uncle was nervous about. And I feel like he was like giving him a warning. He was like looking at him deep in his eyes. Like, Joe, this is, you know, this is not stand-up comedy. And he kind of threw Joe off for me. He did, you know, I was kind of like, I was worried because I didn't know what I was gonna say in a way or could it offend them. I mean, this is a one on a lifetime

element. This is the, you know, the sons get married. So, but it worked out great. He was so happy. Came up to me after he was smiling, crying. So it was great. Really was. And they will remember that for the rest of their life. You were part of the most special day for them. And that's just like, that just that, that's what life's all about. That's amazing. That's right. And it was such an honor, man. They thought of me and they put it, they

put me in there and it was great. It was awesome. And it's my new job. You know, my new job, my new career. I'm 100 Joey Gorgher a fish. Yeah. I'm a Joey Gorgher father. Did you imagine? 100. It's like the new No. It's like cameo. You can officiate wedding. You do your cameos and you can do

efficient weddings and that's- And Joey, also, I'm so, I love your Instagram. I need more photos of you with the cactus and the inspirational sands. I'm Zane. Inspiration.

Joey will do the most amazing, he'll say like the most intense philosophy and then it's a photo of him laying where the cactus looks like his Dog and it'll be like a real man never says quit and it's like I How many times is Melissa try to get you to post new photos of yourself? It's always the same five photos. Are you living in this home somewhere? In my walls like you I wish jeez I'm obsessed like you're

come over for dinner while you're in New York because oh my god you imagine that I let him for the penis cactus all the time and he consistently puts it up with a new inspirational quote while he's making a cactus look like it's either the it's either it's either that one

or the it's either that one or the, it's either that one or the, where he's looking dead at the camera, where he's got the sexy look. He's like, and it'll be like, you know, a mountain is only as big as you make it. You know, like it's always like some inspirational quote. But I'm like, how many times does people try to get him to just take new photos?

He's using the same ones again and again, and I love it every time. I feel like I can't, but, but wait, but hold on, right? She says the same thing, but you know why I do it because we're talking about it. Oh See that He's he's like a Kardashian. He's a marketer. He's he's marketing himself. It's amazing. He's marketing himself. That's what he's doing But everything you say is what I said, echo Joe, you have 1,000 photos. Why do we pick the same three?

Why do we pick the same three? And he just likes those three. But I laugh at it every time. I laugh at it every time. But the trick part is, is it'll put an actual inspirational quote in there. It'll be something about life, but then it's the same photo.

So it works humor, like it's funny, but then it actually makes you think. So I just got, it's why I love this. We, we know what he's talking about. We, we gotta, wait, we gotta get a bigger cactus next time. We gotta get you back out in the desert with a bigger cactus and just up bigger and better. That's what we're gonna do, babe. She's gonna drive her nuts.

She's gonna, oh my god, take that down. You know, it sucks that she has my code. And sometimes, every once in a while, I just lead it. I put something up, it's gone. And I don't know, I don't check, you know, 12 hours later, I'm like, check on my post. It's gone, she deleted it.

I'm like, nope, you spoke five words wrong. You put hyphens and commas, where they don't belong, who told you to go and post something on your own? And I have to delete it for him. You know what the problem is? I'm losing my sight. I'm losing, I got any glasses, I need readers now.

And I refuse to buy readers. Oh, so I'm, I'm, that's Leonardo DiCaprio, the actor. He's like dating a new 25 year old right now. But then they had paparazzi photos with him with readers in the back of the limo. And I'm like, oh my God, we're getting to a point where we all need readers now.

It sucks getting old and doing all this stuff that we saw our parents have to do. And I'm like, now I'm going to like Walgreens to get readers, that's insane. That's not lose my sight, I lose everything. Everything, but as long as Tarzan keeps working, I'm good. Oh my. Oh my God.

Okay. Okay, wait. You the cactus God. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. You the cactus photo. We got the jewelry. We got Joey Gorgas greatest hits. That was right. I love you, man. Nice to see you, brother.

Dude, what an honor. Thanks. He just happened to walk in the room. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Come here. Come say hi. If you're around October 14th, come to my comedy show. Come on.

I'm if you're around. I actually will be here October 14th So I will and because Frank attendus been on my show a bunch and he teed he rate he razzes you all the time So I I cannot wait to come see your Ticket show Semmelissan email all right come on your podcast you would love to do that. Yeah, come on your oh god Are you kidding me that would be amazing man like Charlie will read will read from your book I've got underlying passages you got a problem nice talk to you man. You're the best I do right man

See you later have a great day. I have to sprinkle in a little Joe Gorgah for you because Melissa. Oh my god I I feel like I just like it would make a wish foundation or something like that's He pops his little pop his he's pops his head in and he's like oh you're on the podcast I'm like wait hold on hold on, sit down. Give me a second because I'm happy to say hi. Okay. I was just listening to you guys do the podcast from a couple of weeks ago where you all drink wine

with family and you were just passing the mic around. And that reminded me so much of like when I put my family on the show all the time and I was like, very at home. Right. Did you like, wait, what about the, the last five minutes of that podcast that was from a couple weeks ago to anyone who's listening, I did a podcast drinking wine with my fam. The last five minutes, we do the do do song. Okay, it's like, you have to, would you were you listening to

that? That was the funniest. Yeah. It was so funny. Those are the most fun podcasts that right when you just kind of like, yeah, you're real jump in there. It feels unrehearsed. And you get, it feels like we know you better. Like it feels like, then you feel like you're at home. That's why I always would have my parents on

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Are you like, my dad once freaked out watching an episode of Summer House because he was like, are you kidding me? They're all just sleeping with each other. He is like, he's half ashamed of me and half proud of me that I do this, but he's shocked when I make him watch any of your shows. He's just like, is this television? Is this what television is now? Yes, it is.

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All right, I need to get some hot takes on, listen, these are some hookups, right? That no one saw coming. So we need to talk about some pop culture hookups right now. Just give me your like, I mean, with Taylor Swift and Travis, what, what are we thinking? What are we thinking with this? Okay. So Taylor Swift is just like Joey Gorgah, a marketing genius. And there is like, listen, sheah a marketing genius and there is like listen She has a strangle hold on pop culture right now this she cannot miss I mean her tour sold out everywhere millions and millions of dollars and she went from dating this guy from a band the

1975 Maddie Healy which we didn't like for her earlier in the summer But now this Travis Kelsey for the you know a player for the Kansas City Chiefs He was flirtly. He was, come here, come to the stadium. I watched you play, you watch me play. And I didn't think she was actually going to take him up on it, but she did and showed up not only in his private box, but hung out with his mom hung out next to his mom, the whole game and look like she was having the time of her life. And then they shut down a restaurant right afterwards.

They paid for everybody to get out of there. They paid for their meals and they just partied all night with the his teammates and Taylor and that is so much pressure for a first date. I listen, part of this is it could be like a little bit of PR for both of them. They could be playing like a marketing game, but it's what I love about pop culture is how amazing that we get to sit here and make memes of this and joke about this and see Taylor Swift be a fan girl

after we all fan girl about her. It's just kind of the melding of those two worlds is just, it's like I wanted Taylor Swift to date somebody possibly in the Bravo universe, just so we could realize she was watching Bravo. That would be okay. I just say, it seems like this might be her first step away from her artist era, where she was just dating musicians

and actors, and now could she possibly be in her athlete era? I mean, is that a good move for Taylor? Yeah, I mean, then after that, it could be a politician era. Like, where do you go from here? Because she's only, she's only like 32 or 33 years old. She's got so much life left to live. And she has such an amazing like history of the men that she's dated in the past. And I love it. I'm like, go have a blast. Go have as much fun as you want as all like the celebrity dudes do it. She seems like truly an amazing person.

I'm just curious when you put this much pressure on a relationship where two people are superstars, I wonder how like does that really have legs? How can that really last? Because do you picture Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey like sitting there, like watching like Benjina show on Netflix. Like, can you picture them being lazy together? That's a true test of the relationship. It really is a true. Right.

When you're just eating popcorn and you're doing normal things and it's like Sunday afternoon and you're just like sitting outside. That's the true. I agree. And that's where I mean, I kind of, I kind of like this for her. I'd like an athlete for her. I like someone who's not on stage, who's kind of like on a her. I'd like an athlete for her. I like someone who's not on stage, who's kind of like on a different stage than her stage.

I think her athlete era could be like the one for her. Yes. But that's just, oh my God, imagine Taylor Swift getting married. A match, I thought about the wedding of the century, if she ever gets married, that thing would be bigger than like when Princess Diana and like Prince Charles got married It was like the number one rated marriage in terms of like viewing audiences. I mean It would it would it would move mountains if she could actually get married and we could like pay to watch it

I can't believe the caliber of star. She is if I'm like it's she is has such a chokehold like you said like she really is so influential to like pop culture and just to to so many people like what does it feel like to have that kind of power and she seems like she does she seems like she does everything right she seems like she does it from the heart and it's a perfect blend of artistry and commerce because she knows her way around making money. She loves the almighty dollar like we all do. I mean, she makes money hand over fist for everything that she's doing right now. So it's not like she's just out there just being purely an artist. She has her eye on the prize. But it's just I just don't know how one person has this much going on and they seem to always make correct decisions. I was talking about on the show.

She registered 35,000 new voters last week alone of like the 18 age range. Like how like she just put out one Instagram post and got 35,000 new registrations to vote. She actually is doing an AMC movie of her era's tour and they're predicting it's going to make $100 million in the first. It's going to compete with Marvel superhero movies. I mean, that's just amazing. So like her dating a football player. I mean, that's a nice little, it's just, she's like the perfect pop culture person right now because she has her hands and everything. I mean, she's probably taking a whole new demo over right now with all these football fans. Oh, this is

how sad it was. I turned on the football game just to see if I could see Taylor in the box. Like I wasn't even watching and then all the sudden people were like, you got to turn on the chiefs game. I was like, no way. I watched a football game just to see Taylor Swift. How insane is that? I mean, do you think like Kim Kardashian

must be insanely jealous of somebody like Taylor Swift? Because Kim has her hands in everything too, but Kim, like Taylor Swift actually has like this art. She can sing and write a song. Like Kim is famous for being famous. She's amazing at it. She like pushes in all these different directions, but I sometimes wonder how other celebrities of that caliber, like do they get jealous of Taylor Swift?

Do they think like the more the merrier is there any kind of competition between female celebrities? I wonder sometime. Yeah. You know, well, listen, I think that if anyone's jealous, it's, you're going to look at the person who actually has major talent that's able to write a song and do all of this and say, like, how does this person on the same caliber as me just for being famous? Right? So I don't know. I think if anything Kim Kardashian's sitting there going, I'm doing pretty damn well because I don't write music. I don't write songs like, but somehow you all know my name and you all follow me on Instagram too. So

there's that. Kim is worth more. Kim is a multi billionaire and Taylor is not even a billionaire. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's not bad. Kim is worth more than Taylor Swift. That is fat. Well, because so skims, the valuation went from like a bit like it just hit a billion dollars about a year and a half ago. It doubled in valuation in the last six months. Kim Kardashian, like if you hit the right product, which Kim did with skims, it's just consistent money in the bank and it just keeps growing.

Her business acumen is just like her mom, Kris Jenner's. I mean, so you can make fun of the Kardashians all you want, but at the end of the day, she's got so much going on and she's like, she even just started like a private equity firm. Like people don't even realize all the stuff that Kim does behind the scenes. So it's gonna be really interesting.

Like we will live with the Kardashians for the rest of our lives in terms of pop culture. And they will all be billionaires by the time they're done. Well, because they just keep making more babies and more babies. And they just keep, you know, they're popping at like Remlins. They touch them with water. Here comes another one. Get a little water on this one. Another one pops out.

So like they will be around forever. I'm a fan, by the way, I'm fine with it. I see I just think that it's so moving to become famous in this the way that they have for the no one has ever been famous for being famous like this before. I mean, they started selling, they started with selling tummy teeth. Flat tummy teeth. I was like, what the hell happened to me? Exactly.

I sold flat tummy teeth over and over and over and over. I don't have billions. I don't have any Kardashian money. So like, what did I do wrong? Not yet, not yet. I mean, you got to find the right tummy teeth. I said, no, I mean, it's just very interesting. That's, I really, Chris Jenner very interesting. That's I really Chris Jenner

Steered that ship she had always planned for like domination in terms of like where they're at now It's just that most people don't have to wear with all to like really stick to it and make it happen And I all that credit to Chris, but she trained Kim well. You see Chloe Courtney Kylie I mean, it really is just groundbreaking, but there will never be a family like that out there again, because I think there's been such blowback about how they got famous, even though I think they deserve to be there. But it's going to be interesting to see what that did to pop culture. And with the invention of social media, as you guys know, with the housewives, it kind of just changed the game. And they learned to play that game very well. And they set the rules. But it'll be interesting to see how they hold on to fame. I agree.

Do you know, are you aware of she's a tick tocker? Alex Earl. Yeah. Alex, she was on stern. Actually, I, I, yeah, I know Alex Earl, like I, I'm not a big tick tock person because I, it sucks me in so deeply that I can't do that. But she's another person. My friend was trying to tell me why she loves her so much because I was like think I can't do that. But she's another person. My friend was trying

to tell me why she loves her so much because I was like, I don't get it. I don't. So you know, she just puts on makeup and tells about her night out and stuff and and it gets addictive. I believe she's also dating a football player. And I heard she has a pretty amazing like extended family and story as well with her mother and father got a divorce, but now they're friends and they're, I don't know, I might, I think maybe we might get another Kardashian clan possibly out of this Jersey family. There's, I don't know, I heard this family might be an up and coming Kardashian type family by the way.

But Melissa, I think there's been a lot of families along the time that like the Emilios and things like that that have tried to be a family like the Kardashians. But Alex Earl is different in terms, yeah, like I mean, the the the pull she has over TikTok right now. But in a lot of ways, families like that owe to the Kardashians, but they also owe to reality shows like to you guys because what Alex Earl does is kind of a little reality show on her TikTok. This is like a format that like I think Bravo kind of Really, you know, I think they paved the way for things like this, but they created TikTok in a way

We're watching we're investing in these people's stories and it's really day and day like with your season of Jersey We have to wait seven months to see what all the hubbub is about. But with TikTok, she can put it out the next day of what she did the night before. It's so immediate. You know what they love her to because she'll show you like, look at my face. I'm all broken out. Like, look how, and girls look up to her because she's real. She'll show that.

That's like a reality show. She'll be in Greece. She'll show you where she's going to dinner, what she's wearing in to dinner. When she fell down the stairs at Greece, how she got drunk and hung over the night before. She has a reality show on TikTok, right? So I think that's an awesome way for you. Families out there who want to be reality stars start on TikTok, we will then like see your little shows and a producer might pick it up. You never know, right? I mean, that's what by the way, I mean, that's, you should start producing families, Melissa. You should go scout families.

I would be an amazing producer. I mean, do you ever think about getting into that with all these years doing this? Do you ever go like, well, I don't know how much longer I want to stay in this. I mean, why not try to do not a show based around you, but like find somebody, a family that you love and produce it yourself? Honestly, I, I do think about that. I speak to my agent about that all the time. And I do think that's something that I would want to lean into next. Because for the producers would laugh in the Jersey housewives, they would tell you, I'm many produce constant. I'm always like,

I'm very big on like what's going on behind the scenes. If I don't like a plant, I'm moving it, I'm big on scene work. I like many produce myself all the time. I actually love it. I actually love it. I love to like, I love them behind the scenes. I don't know. So I could actually see that. But talking about housewives,

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listen to Salty with Captain Lee coherst and by my assistant Sam. And we will be talking about the latest pop culture news and all the gossip every week. So does this mean we have to talk by ourselves about ourselves or can at least have some guests on? I don't know if I might solve pretty interesting, but yeah, we can have some guests on some of our reality TV friends and some stars works for me. Listen to Salty now on Apple podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Where are you at with Salt Lake City?

Are we watching Salt Lake City? Yes, of course. I do nothing with my life, Melissa. I watch all of these shows. Salt Lake City, you know, I thought it was going to be in real danger after last season and Gen Shaw going to jail or prison. I didn't know if it was going to be able to recover and I thought Gen had such a real hold on that show in a bad way that I was like, well, are they going to let these other

women's stories be told? Are we still going to be interested in it? And I got to tell you, this season has been fabulous. It's completely bizarre. It feels like a fever dream. Like I mean, really, like Meredith Marx was doing 30 different accents in this last episode. Heather Gay got so hammered, she peed and puked herself.

And it was a classic housewives episode. Like it was firing on all cylinders, but I'm happy to say that I'm loving it. Are you watching it? I so I have not watched the season because I am filming my own and it's been very rough to watch everything, but I do like Salt Lake City. I do want to get into I did watch all of the New New York because I had to see what was going on over there. What about Mary Cosby? Are you happy that she's back? What do we think? Did you miss her on this show? Mary Cosby, a lot of people have, like,

their, their up and arms about, because she said a lot of problematic things, which I totally understand. But I think Bravo is like, the production is doing an amazing thing, where she only says one or two things each episode and their hysterical, and that she, like, literally walks away.

Like, one of her lines last week was, why are you talking to me? I don't like when you talk to me and then walked away and it's a really perfect It's like those moments where you need a little levity where you need kind of a little humorous thing like I don't think she could carry like I don't think we would ever at this point ever again see her family life Like you know how we see your kids and Joey and all that we couldn't do that with Mary Cosby But if she is used in like a small sprinkling here and there, I think it's great. It's a good laugh moment here and there. Like it just can't get too deep with her, but I think I think it was necessary coming out of the Gen Shaw season to have her and I think it's working so far, but we'll see.

What about the new girls Monica and Angie? Okay. Angie is trying way too hard. She's where she's she wants it so bad. It's like when I I always compare housewives, like you can tell when they want it and sometimes they push too hard. So they're trying like you can see and throw everything against the wall. She's trying to get into fights with Meredith so bad. She's trying to wear the wildest fashion. She wore these sunglasses that look like windshield. They basically took up three fourths of her face.

And it's just, I want it, like, it's funny to watch in a sense because she's trying so hard, but I want her to relax into it. I just feel like she feels like she's fighting for her life on that show, and she just needs to chill out. Like, just, just relax into it a little bit more. Well, you know, that's what happens with these shows that are established, and then they go and cast some new people. They're already fans, right?

It's hard not to be a fan of the show or to know what the deal is or how. So it's hard to get like the authentic, it never usually happens their first season. I feel like we get to know them better their second season when they're like less about, oh my God, I cannot believe I'm filming and I cannot believe I'm here on the housewives. And like, let me put all my outfits on and do all the things.

And it's like, we don't get their authentic self until their, until their second season, you know? Melissa, you're totally right. I always think it's so interesting that now we've had these shows for like 16 years is that you have people that are raised on these shows. So they come in and they think this is what they saw on their favorite episodes. So they're going to immediately flip a table. They're going to immediately do this because it worked on all these things. And you're right. It takes away from the genuineness. Now Monica, the other like she's a first season, and I think she's doing great. I think she is actually being genuine. She's, we're already meeting her mom

and her kids. And I find her story a lot more compelling because you can tell she's, uh, we're already meeting her mom and her kids. And I find her story a lot more compelling because you can tell she's just being, I mean, listen, it's still a reality show, but I feel like she's being more of herself. So I root for her. I root for somebody trying to fit in with a group or trying to like buy an expensive purse so they can feel they fit in with these other ladies of wealth. I mean, those things are kind of interesting to watch. And they become the people that the audience roots for. So I think she's actually working right now for me. She is. I love all her crazy storylines. She's got a lot of like craziness going on. Yeah. Are you? She slept. She slept with her. She slept with

her ex brother in law. Ex brother in law. Yeah, it was for like a year and a half. Yes, it was her ex yet That's insanity, but I love that she's honest and she admits it. It's amazing. And we're getting we're getting authentic self That's what it's about right Let's talk about New York for a minute. Do you think Bravo did the right thing? Recasting a whole entire show. Do you miss the old cast? Do you think this one is working? Of course, of course I miss the old cast. Everybody will say that. Like they're legends, but at the same time, we were gonna have to make a break for it at some point in terms of they try to bring on Liam McSweeney and Ebony K Williams and it was also a different time during the pandemic and things of that nature. So so many factors and also just Ramona is such a grenade. You never know how she's like

I mean you filmed with her like you just never know what she's going to be like and it's kind of dangerous And that's exciting, but also it's like hearing Elton John play rocket man for the thousandth time like how many times are we going to Hear Ramona do the same things so I love meeting new women and I think we're ignorant to think that there are not new women out there that are amazing, that have amazing stories. Now, Roni, it might not be the most exciting season, but I'm loving it because it's, I do get to know new women. And they're setting a foundation. So, you know, maybe next season when the craziness pops off, we really are rooting for these women already. But I imagine when you watch it, I mean, this has got to be like training wheels. I mean, it's so, your show is so intense.

And Roni is like they're fighting over phones and dinner reservations. Yes, but I agree with everything you just said about Roni. And I agree that the the girls are legends, but that this is a fresh

new cast that we I truly believe we are being set up to learn who they are, love who they are, hear their stories. Your first season is not like a knockdown dragout craziness, but we're learning new women. And I actually enjoyed it so much. I love it. I can relate to them. I love personally, I like to watch the non like I know OC O.C. gets like them. Waaah! Like you hear the screaming. You hear the screaming from the other room.

My husband walks in, he's like, what are you watching? Like it's like you have to be in a certain place to watch O.C. Like that you're like, because it's a lot of screaming and yelling over, you don't even know what they're yelling. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But I appreciated this New York cast showing us the moms

that they are, the sex they're not having, showing us the moms that they are the sex. They're not having the sex. They are having their husbands relationships. The I love that that to me is like real stories, real people. I can relate. I don't necessarily need to watch women screaming and throwing wine on each other and yelling so loud that I have to like lower the volume on my TV because then I'm now like, what am I watching? Like, and I enjoyed New York my TV because then I'm now like, what am I watching?

Like, and I enjoyed New York. That's all I'm gonna say. I really enjoyed it. I really, really liked it. Do you think that Atlanta, do you think there could be a cast shake up or do you think that would be a big mistake? I watched every season of Atlanta.

I love, I mean, like, there are so many great women on this cast of Atlanta, but something's not working. Um, and I think sometimes the fandom would get a little too intense of like, fire this person, fire that person. This is what I would do. Right. And at the end of the day, we don't really know how, like, we don't know, we wouldn't know the first thing about literally how to put these shows together, but you can tell when there's magic or there isn't. And this season for some, like, it just felt like they all weren't listening to each other and interacting in a way

that is kind of magical. Like, because you know it when you watch it and you feel it. Like there have been like seasons of Atlanta that have just been so insanely good. But there are certain episodes, like a couple seasons ago, they had the Bolo episode. It was in the middle of like a so, so season, but that episode with the male stripper,

it was like a magical episode. Like sometimes it really works. And I don't know what that formula is, but I think there's some tinkering that can be done on Atlanta. But there's just been so many seasons of this show and it's such a historical show. But we, I think we make the mistake just like in Roani where we keep wanting like, we need knee knee leaks, we need this, we need that. And I, they're legends.

But I, I, I think that there are amazing women that we have yet to meet that are gonna blow us away, that are just as fascinating, just as nutty, like just that will pull it our heartstrings, that we all champion, and I want sometimes those risks to be taken, but it's just hard because you gotta get people on board with like all new people,

and that sometimes takes two seasons like you said. Right. What are you thinking of art or Jersey right now? Like the new girls and all of this. We have Rachel. We have Danielle. We got Jen Fessler. I know the Melissa Teresa thing is rough. Like it's just you guys in years and years and years. I get scared to even comment on you guys because again, I already see the hate comments coming. No, but it's like I've watched every season, every episode and I've are you a Jersey watcher? Do you watch every every episode? Are you kidding?

Like I paid attention to every like I know all the stuff that supposedly is happening right now. And it like listen, I liked Danielle. I thought Danielle had a really strong first part of the season. I thought she started to peter out and filming started to get to her. I started, you know, she started crying a lot towards that. That sounds weird. I liked her family. I liked all of that stuff. Jen Fessler was great comic relief. She, you know, she's somebody that I'm interested to see a little bit more of. And then of course the, I'm sorry, I'm

blinking on her name, the other newbie. Rachel. Rachel. Now, Rachel, I thought, start, I had a slow start, but then I really started to come around to Rachel by the end. I mean, she was like calling things out. She, you know, where I thought, uh, Danielle was starting to peter out. I thought, you know, Fudo was really stepping up. And I don't know, it's interesting.

It's like each, we have to normalize feeling different ways about these characters each season. Like we have bad seasons of our life. Like last year was a horrible year for me. It'd be a horrible season to watch me on. But sometimes maybe this season's going to be my season. We have to normalize liking somebody one season and maybe not liking them the next. But really, I'm more fascinated how you guys feel about these ladies. That's the thing is that then we start thinking that's why blogs are so important. We start thinking about like, well, how do you feel about these ladies?

How do you feel about Danielle now? That's what we find fascinating. Right. And that's all the stuff you're going to just have to watch. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All of those fun answers. But no, I do think we have a great strong cast right now.

And that's all we'll say about Jersey for today. Oh, see, give me a little, little piece of, oh, see, is it, a lot of people are saying that it's in its Renaissance era. Like do you agree with that? What are you thinking? It's in a Renaissance in the sense of the last two seasons weren't great. So like, yeah, it's good. But Tamara has, I keep using the word strangle hold too much.

Tamara has a strangle hold on OC. Tamara came back and I am shocked that everybody has just fallen in line under everything that she says and does. And I find it interesting as an audience member because you got to hand it to Tamara. I mean, truly, she's done amazing work, but you can't trust her. You can't like she says she's your friend and then she'll throw you under the bus. I mean, she does these classic housewives moves. What shocks me is that these other women fall for it every time.

Because I think Tamer's one of those people, her best friend is the show. That's her loyalty is to the show, not to the other ladies. And I think the other ladies forget that. Like Shannon Bedore, she was upset at Tamer at the beginning of the season. She was like, it's gonna take a lot before I can trust Tamra again. Three episodes in, Shannon Bedore's like holding her, like hugging her, saying she loves her again. And I'm like, girl, take your time.

Don't rush into this relationship again. But Tamra's, she's really talented at this. Yeah, this is her. She is a professional, I would say. She's an assassin. She's a professional assassin. Yeah, she is a professional, I would say like she's an assassin. She's a professional assassin. Yeah, she is a professional She understands the assignment Everyone sees that Tamra understands the assignment and I think that's that's just how she rolls, you know

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We came up with a game and it's called, who's the bad batch? Okay, so basically it's just a little fun little game. So I'm gonna name a housewives franchise, and I want you to tell me who your favorite housewife or your baddest betches on that cast. Give me the baddest betch from Orange County. Ah, baddest betch has got to be Tamra.

Even though, this is hard because it's not my favorite, but she's the baddest betch, she brings it. Like, I will say like my favorite to watch is Shannon Bedore, but you she's not the baddest bet. She's like, you know, she's like, you root for her, but Tamara, like, baddest bet on OC. I hate to say that. Okay. That's fine. Your bet's fair. I like the little explanation where they we can keep going with that. Atlanta. Atlanta, the current cast or okay, the baddest batch, you got to, I mean, Neenie Leaks will always just be historical. If you're going to go with current cast, Kenya more.

Kenya, you got to love Kenya. She just rings it. She twirls. She's all like, she's another one that understands the assignment. I'm sorry, she does. I mean, truly just she's iconic herself. Yeah Beverly Hills This is another Beverly Hills. I would have to say the baddest betch would Lisa Vanderpump. I mean she like she gets thrown under the bus a lot But she really I thought she understood the assignment and I think Lisa Rina and Kyle got her off the show in some ways And I would be so curious to see what she would bring now If she ever were to come back, but I think she was so pulling strings behind the scenes in such an interesting way that I would be

Curious to see what she has learned in her downtime and just doing Vanderpump rules But I think for a while in the beginning she was so crucial to the success of Beverly Hills I agree Dubai a while in the beginning, she was so crucial to the success of Beverly Hills. I agree. Dubai. Dubai. Oh my God. Oh, gosh.

This is Dubai. You know what? This is not going to be a popular. I think Caroline Stanberry. I think Caroline Stanberry is a quiet, bad bitch. I mean, I think she really, she brings it in a different way than some of the other housewives that you would use that moniker for. But I think she really, she brings it in a different way than some of the other housewives that you would use that moniker for.

But I think she is calculated. I think she is charm. I think she thinks things through, but I also would never want to mess with her. I think there's just a class level about her that's different and makes her a bad bet. I agree with you on that also. Miami. Oh, Miami. Uh, you got to go with, uh, Alexia, Alexia, uh, and Alexia, it reminds me a little bit of,

um, Jersey and away, like she will get into it with you. She like, I feel like you could not have a good argument with Alexia because she just like, she would just see red and they're just nail you to the wall. And that's really scary to deal with potentially. Instead of going through the facts and going pound for a long unlike the actual facts, which is where it was kind of like how I like to argue. I like to go round for round, pound for pound with facts. But then when they get all over the place, it's just it doesn't work for me.

And I just like turn left and walk out of the building. Type thing. Well, Alexia reminds me of somebody that you are close to on your cast. And yeah, everybody said that. And everybody said that. Yes. Yes, which is, yes, got you. OK, Potomac.

Potomac. Oh, you know what? I think the baddest bet on that show right now is Candace. I wouldn't have said that a couple seasons ago. But I think Candace actually has really good reads. I think she's gotten certain things in check, but I also would not want to mess with her because I think she's another one of those. If you piss her off, you are going like persona non grata, she will destroy you, and I think she is getting more powerful each season. Okay, New York. New York, current cast or old cast. Current. Current cast, the

baddest patch on there. You know what? This is somebody's not nobody's going to agree with me, but I watch Jessel today, watch what happens live. And I will say, I think she plays into this goofiness. I think she is way more calculated. And in the second season, I think she is going to really pop off in certain ways that we don't expect. This could be a completely wrong prediction, but something in me tells me she is not as silly and goofy as everybody wants to point her out, like as. And I think she is getting warmed up and she's going to be super comfortable the second

season and potentially destroy people. You know, I've seen that on social as well, that like she was kind of that girl that no one expected, and they're kind of getting vibes from her and never, like they didn't expect her to be such a star that she is, and she kind of was a breakout star with the New York.

And I do think that next season, we're gonna see more of all those girls. I said that and I say it again. All right, go Jersey Housewives. Give me the baddest bet. Baddest bet, Joey Gorgah hands down. Hands down. Joey Gorgah is my favorite housewife on Jersey. He is, he brings it every week. That is my favorite. And I think that's a safe answer. You know what? That is a very safe answer. And I don't think anyone would argue you on that at all. Joey Gorgah wins for sure.

Oh my God. Last but not least Salt Lake City. Who is your breakout star there? Who is your baddest bet? Baddest betch on Salt Lake City. I've got to go. Oh my goodness. Lisa Barlow.

Lisa Barlow. No, yeah, bad, bad, bad, I gotta say Meredith Marks. Okay, Meredith Marks, Lisa Barlow is somebody that is one of my favorites, but like she, she doesn't fight in an interesting way. Meredith Marks will get a little tipsy and she'll be like, you can leave. Like she starts getting different voices,

she gets intense about it. And I find that just really, like she, like don't cross me, but then she'll do a British accent. It is truly amazing to watch. And I think she is very confident this season. Potentially, that's a bad thing, but I think she's amazing to watch.

You know what I hear all the time, one thing that's super funny is that a lot of Housewives fans say to me, well, which one can I relate to and do I want to be friends with, or which one do I think brings it on reality TV, and is just a great reality person. And there's usually two answers to that.

There's usually, and I've noticed that with a lot of people, a lot of guests that I've had, there's one that you can relate to, that you want to watch because you relate to them, because you want to be like in some kind of way or you inspire you. And then there's one that you're just like, she's out of her fucking mind. I just want to watch her because it makes great, great reality TV. I mean, would you say that that's true?

Is that usually true for most cases with all of these shows? Definitely, yeah, because there are people that you watch, like, you know, uh, you know, I watched you on the reunion last and you were explaining everything. And I was like, yes, exactly, yes, exactly. But sometimes we will go with the person that is bat shit crazy and saying just like insane things because it's entertaining to watch. And that's a dangerous thing because these are supposed to be reality shows. And I think sometimes I get frustrated

from a logical standpoint of wait a sec, there's right and wrong. Why can't we just accept this is right, this is wrong. And I think the fandom is so interesting because they'll be like, no, she's wrong. And I love that about her. That makes her right. And that's confusing. Isn't that insane? That's the love for brawl shows. That's what makes our world go round. I mean you got to love it Ryan This has been a total blast. I'm so happy that I got to meet you. You're awesome. You understood the assignment today Yeah, but did you was it's okay? Did you have a good time? Thank you so much for having me Melissa This is truly I mean what a what a what a great start to my week I can't tell you how excited I am to talk to you and I hope I did good for you in the show.

And I'm sorry if I got too excited you guys, I'm just so excited to be here talking to Melissa. So thank you so much for this opportunity, truly. No, Ryan, I'm listening to your podcast too because let me just tell you, you are so entertaining. I love how you speak. Everything about you's awesome. Make sure all you guys do yourself a favor

and check out Ryan's podcast. Don't forget it's called So Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey. He's part of Betches Media now. So it's very exciting. Exciting and I am just like so happy we finally got to meet and the fact that Joe Gorgah just decides to like. Oh, historical. Stroll into the room. Wait till I tell him that you gave him bad as bet. He's gonna love that also. I'm gonna go do the desert and find a cactus and take a photo just like Joey Gordon.

Just DM him a nice big cactus that he can replace the current one with because we need more content, Ryan. We need new content. I'll bring it to his standup, Sean. I'll bring a new cactus for him. Oh my God, thank you so much for coming on. And hopefully we will see you soon.

You have to come to the comedy show. I, if that, if that's a real offer, I am there. It is a true offer. I'm gonna get all your info. Everyone out there, don't forget, Joe Gorgah has a comedy show here in New Jersey, October 14th. You can go over to his Instagram to get tickets for that as well.

Ryan will be there, you're coming. So, yes, I'll be there with you. I'll be sitting right next to you like holding my ears and my chest watching this comedy show. So, but Ryan, thank you so much for coming on today and I'll see you on the 14th. Okay, bye guys. Let's do it! Dive into true crime on Pluto TV.

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