OverDrive - OverDrive - May 21, 2025 - Hour 3

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 3 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joins to discuss Brendan Shanahan's future with the Maple Leafs, the Islanders granted permission to speak with him and Mitch Marner's potential suitors in the league. TSN Baseball Insider Steve Phillips dives into the Blue Jays playing up to expectations, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Anthony Santander's performances, Juan Soto's hustling conundrum with the Mets and Hayes hands out his FanDuel Best Bets,

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CHUM AM Toronto is TSN 1050, an I Heart radio station and the voice of Toronto sports. This is Overdrive with Hayes,anduo bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score. We've got Steve Phillips later this hour, our best bet still to come, Darren Drager coming up in studio here in just a moment. Reports indicating that Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment are gonna have a board meeting at some point

the next couple of days and figure out what they're doing with their, you know, with the ownership, with Shanahan, and some people, you know, wondering if it's gonna be a different streamlining in terms of like Keith Peli's role and if they move off the president's role for the hockey team what does that mean for the president's role for the basketball

team what does you know you know hockey well to my knowledge nothing I mean that's a business position yeah that's the thing it's a business position the president okay but if he's deciding pick up a lefty or righty that this doesn't make that that cannot be a problem that's not that is a candidate i don't think he is going to be in there saying hey you know i got an idea what only can go ahead and run the business operation but if any kind of s player personnel is running through him that's insanity yeah i i don't know that's not what i mean to me that that's not what i think is that through him that's insanity yeah I know that's not what I'm intimating that's not what I think is

that's not what's gonna happen I think it's just about cutting out the middleman possibly I don't know if that will happen maybe it won't maybe they'll replace Shanahan if he leaves maybe Masai stays here for a long time I don't know most presidents but I think Shani's an outlier because he's a former hockey guy. Like the president of the Ottawa Senators is Cyril Eader. Like Cyril has, you know, he's a great businessman, great person, all that.

But I don't think he's calling Steve Stahelsen going, you need a right winger, you need this and that. Like he's the business guy in the business brains and I'm sure he's involved because of the money they're going to spend. Like I'm sure he's involved because of the money they're going to spend. Like, I'm sure he sets budgets and all that. You know, you look right through the league. A lot of teams presidents aren't your traditional or, you know, a former hockey guy, former player, right?

Joe, you know, Joe Sackett might be an outlier, I guess. Right. But I think he's president of hockey operations. Right. Like, that's the thing. It's like it's like a play on words where Shanahan's president and alternate governor, which I'm assuming comes with more money and maybe more responsibility in terms of dealing with shareholders, dealing with season ticket holders, dealing with the marketing side of things.

Like I think Shanahan has had his fingerprints all over almost everything, game ops, you know, all types of different things, where if you're the president of hockey operations, then that is very focused on, you know, the actual, the players and the team building and all that kind of stuff, where I think Shanahan has done a variety of things. Yeah, the business side. Yes, but it's definitely, it's like Shapiro on the baseball side. Like, Mark, nothing major happens without Mark Shapiro signing off on it.

It's the same thing here with the Leafs. Like, nothing happens unless Shanahan signs off on it. You know, like, Tre Levin can sign Yanni Hockenpaugh or something or bring in Steven Lorenz. But a decision on whether or not, you know, Matthews will be the captain i'm sure brendan had a very strong voice in that hi person and what happens with marner moving forward if he's here brendan will make the ultimate call on that i would think and maybe that's what's going to just

come to an end but yeah i mean keep always he's he's he's on the business side and i'd i don't believe he will be suggesting who the raptors should take at nine based on you know him watching game tape of all these college players that's true uh... that's fair but uh... yeah breaking news of four we mentioned

that she go just alexander according to uh... yes p n is going to win the mvp the nba this year uh... even though it's supposed to be revealed on the NBA TNT tonight with the Knicks and Pacers and have you seen some of the videos of New York Knicks fans like storming out of the garden and just going nuts in the streets of Manhattan when they win? I got to turn them off man like I find fan interaction videos, fans drinking, fans fighting, I don't know. I find it to be the biggest turn off. It's insanity, Hayes. It's insanity, man.

And it's a part of the reason why I have no... I used to travel around. Me and my wife always used to go to hockey games, whatever city we're in. I don't think I'm into going to just sporting events. It just freaks me out, man. I hate it. Well, well, it depends on what you're what you want to do. Like I agree. Like I I don't I'm not big on the fights and seeing all of that. But I don't mind going to a game and enjoying it like it just everybody. There are people they had over served. There are people that get worked up. You know, we talked about it yesterday, the fan interactions with the Leafs

in game seven, like it wasn't good. Hayes, you were in the building, like you actually lived it. Like we did, I just watched it on TV. I couldn't imagine like you, now Hayes, you weren't in, you know, second 121. I wasn't in the seats trying to do like that. No, but you're up top, but you saw the vitriol. You saw, and in, you know, in New York it happens, some of these big cities it happens a fan here Philadelphia they let you hear it Boston they let you well And there's there should be a difference and generally there is a difference between winning and losing like the Nick fans This is after they're winning. Yeah, exactly after they beat the Celtics

You know naturally and you guys know where the garden is like it's right in Midtown Manhattan like it's right in the middle of the city. It's Bedlam down there And people pouring out on the streets and chasing people around that are in Celtics jerseys and Brian Windhorst I guess was walking out of the building. I just started screaming out of yeah goofy. Yeah, it's crazy It's it's goofy goofy behavior. And again, I'm you can't condone any of it from a when in any any possible scenario there's no condoning any of that type of activity but when the team loses you can understand or you're preparing for people to be in a bad mood or for people to protest in some way. Why are you fighting after your team wins? Yeah I

know. Like that I don't understand. Like what is it, like the Knicks win and you see a guy in a Celtics jersey, what do you care? Dude, at the Moss Pit in Edmonton, people are beating the piss out of each other. Yeah, that's sad. Boiler fans are beating each other up. Yes, they are. Yeah, just fighting in that Moss Pit. Yeah, it's like what are we doing here?

Your team is winning and you start fighting each other? It's disgusting. You know why? It's disgusting. They've drank 15 of those heroin beer and they don't even, they're blind drunk. So now we're at a point where you can't be, like people can't control themselves in public so they gotta start fighting. Like what have we come to? It's asinine. I agree. It is. That's why I don't want to be in public with it. It's just, it's goofy.

Well I think it's probably, it always has been happening. It just, now it's just it's goofy well I think it's probably it always has been happening it just now it's on video yeah right like that's the world we live in now you can see it you know craziness has always been going on there's always been booze and I don't think it's ever been this as bad as this cameras are not his well I don't know I just I just was you know what it was we never when we're sitting that on our couch in Toronto we never got what what happened in Edmonton in a you know outside of the rink now we get it right because it's on Twitter or it's on Instagram or any other tick-tock and all of that so you're right like the information travels to us where we we didn't pay attention before or we weren't privy to it because

it wasn't right in front of us yes the different now and now everyone sees everything i mean that's what it comes down to yeah you know and and that's that's the main like anything that happens in any arena is on video but yes you can't get away you you can't get away with anything anymore uh... which i i is a positive i was a lot of the last the crazy thing It doesn't stop them though, that's the crazy thing. It doesn't stop people. Yeah, that is true. You see the tush push

survived today. Yes, I saw that, eh? I just saw a Schefter tweet out earlier today that the Eagles, I guess on their home pages, tweeted out like, push on with a shot of their quarterback Jalen Hurts playing the Green Bay Packers and it was the Packers that initiated this vote and launched this investigation. There it is. Like that's cheeky man. Like and the reason I bring that up is because we're talking about fans fighting. This is teams fighting. And this is the Eagles who just won the Super Bowl and they take it personally that the push push is being

you know rallied against and the Packers had to put their hands up and say we want it bring it to a vote we don't like it we think it should be banned they needed two more votes in order for it to be banned but in the end it sticks around and now the Eagles get to gloat and the Super Bowl champs are going to continue with the tush push so be ready for it man be well ready for it. But coaches like everything always has something right so how are they gonna combat the tush push because you know the coaches are trying to figure out what they're gonna do. They're trying to stop it they're trying to stop it for years it's a great question Nules I don't they

don't have an answer I don't have an answer right now uh... right dress coming up to want to continue some confirms your idea confirm it and i asked let's do it uh... do you see one so though was getting towards the yankee stadium over the weekend i would not watch that guy more than anyone else i would torch flatty to with his five homers or whatever the hell he's was up to sixty a lot of yesterday and son tonder hit one last night at They both had six. They both have six homers.

Otani has 17. Yeah. Yeah. Otani is Otani. But Juan Soto... Yeah, come on, Indregs. I'll get to the Juan Soto, confirm a little bit later on. Because I guess he did an interview with the New York Post saying that the Yankees were his number one team but they couldn't work it out. Blah blah blah. That's such garbage. They wanted him for crying out loud. And they offered him $720 million. He's a loser.

And he wanted $765 million. Exactly. Shut up, dude. You had the opportunity to sign for that much money and hit in front of Judge for the next 10 years. Are you insane? You went to the World Series last year. Yes. And you left. And you made your choice. And furthermore, you left for the next ten years. Yes. Are you insane? You went to the World Series last year. Yes. And you left. And you made your choice. And furthermore, you left for the team that is the kid brother of that Yankee team.

And they're going to hate hearing you. That's why I don't feel sorry for that. When guys just do stupid things like that. When they have a perfect setup. Yes. Perfect setup. And now MET fans are like, really, dude? You're going on the record saying you actually wanted to stay with the Yankees after you

just performed the way you perform the yankee stadium and it's carried over to fend way the last couple nights uh... more on that later in the hour was the philips darren drager tsn hockey insider in studio what's up drags what going on on tv side yeah apologize everything all good over there

insider trading stuff you had some screw ups i know it up list grew up uh... three items had to do something in shanty and of course uh... then we did our new our usual uh... series look at to the opener of the western conference final when the possibly is in there and we pop the quiz in the okay so that's a lot of uh... that's a lot of production over there and then frankie cheryl got caught up in some traffic issues in the gta so you know uh...

and it's not our and and it's around okay all right well you mentioned shanahan what's going on here what's the latest with him i mean isn't it i want to call it i want to steal the phrase mo it's one of the leafiest things that for because it has that feel to it now uh... as has been reported in confirm we know that brendan shannon has been granted permission to speak with the new york out

i don't believe that that's happened yet but we also know that shana and is expected to meet with other keith pally president ceo may believe sports entertainment or uh... a portion of the maple leaf sports entertainment board tomorrow the board is expected made on thursday which is a regularly scheduled board meeting but that's where it gets a little bit bizarre

so brendan we know is on expiring contract has been granted permission to speak with another club but as we're having this conversation been told that they're not going to extend his contract it's a bit weird it's it's a bit weird you can talk to the guys but we don't know for even we we could be offering you a contract extension well i i mean that's the way

it reads right now uh... you know and that's that's based on on on some were close to the situation who are looking towards tomorrow but doesn't it kinda read like that though i mean yeah you know if you've been granted permission to speak with another nhl club then whomever granted that permission So I mean, you know, if you've been granted permission to speak with another NHL club, then whomever granted that permission must have a pretty clear indication of what the

board's wishes are. And keep in mind that this is still a unique board, right? It's still primarily Rogers and Bell and Larry Tannenbaum has 25 percent, right? And Tannenbaum historically has been a just a fierce supporter of of brendan chance so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and maybe maybe it gets rectified tonight maybe tonight

we learned that okay he's been told that they're they're not going to offer a man extension and away goes into whatever meetings he wants to have the new york islanders but drags i mean offer him an extension and away he goes into whatever meetings he wants to have with the New York Islanders. Drex, I mean, doesn't it, again, we're just reading, you know, Hayes, you always say the tea leaves, like looking, when you look at this, like, if they were hell-bent, like, absolutely not, this is our guy, wouldn't you just say, like, no, like, I'm sorry, you're not gonna be afforded an opportunity to talk to the guy because he's our guy and he's our guy moving forward that's the only thing that kind of sends my radar up on that well radar

I look I mean it's a pretty strong indication that Shannon isn't coming back I mean right you know to give him that opportunity like it it's not like there's another team the National Hockey League that is going to offer him a better deal, more money than what he's getting from the Toronto Maple Leaf. So that's not an issue. Certain clubs will do that. Like, Glenn Lambert, we know, is going to interview for a promotion, a head coaching job in Seattle. Well, that makes sense. Organizations seldom will stand in the way. So this one, you know, maybe it's just the cloud of the board going, we don't really care what the media or the

fans think. We're gonna do our business the way we do our business and that includes having a meeting tomorrow. Now that meeting, as I said, regular scheduled. It's not specific to Shanahan's future or what we do moving forward. It's just it's a weird thing to do. Why? There's confirmation that Shanahan has been granted permission by someone above him within Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment to speak with the Islanders and yet unless it's happened in the last little while it hasn't officially been told he's out is a bit it's a bit bizarre. Yeah it is and I read the tea leaves the way Noodle's just did as well I mean I would think that this is the beginning of the end of the

Shanahan era and if it is how do you think that affects like what the Leafs are gonna do over the next two months and specifically the Marner and Tavares conversation like he you mentioned Larry Tannenbaum has been a staunch what the least you can do over the next two months and specifically the marner and to bars you mentioned very tan and bomb has been a staunch defender of brendan shanahan no one has been a bigger defender of mitch marner john to us austin matthews and the lander than brendan shanahan right nobody on earth there so if he's not around as a change something or well it depends on who

comes in and and that word it that's where it's really challenging for me eight look uh... you can lay blame at the feet of brendan shanahan i can't i appreciate that is eleven years uh... by you also then have to uh... acknowledged the good that has gone on around this organization

some of the guys that the loudest voices in this market don't remember what it was like 12 years ago I mean this organization in many ways was in chaos so he brought stability all right so now what are you doing to replace that you know are people internally just taking on more of a role like he's Keith Pelly he's got enough going on as president c o v m l s e and everything that's under that umbrella is he taking on a more active role these brad trill of you have to go to keep keep all you'd say i've an opportunity here the trade player

acts never it is or i'd sure like to to take a run at mitch to extend in here i want to go as high as whatever that number is who's gonna clear that? Or does Brad Trilley occupy more of the capacity of that role and he reports directly to Keith Pelley and then Pelley represents the board. Because guys look around, you know, if Kenny Holland were available he'd be the first guy that I'd have on my list, but he's not. He just got hired by the Los Angeles Kings. So who else is out there that makes the most sense? There are guys out there who are going to be speculated on, names that are going to

surface who currently are employed by other NHL clubs, which gets a little greasy for me, but it's going to be a challenge unless they just manage it internally and and everybody is a boss in brad trill of the level of speed keith belly or somebody else it's internal darren can you confirm is there any numbers that mitch was presented that he has turned out throughout the season now do you know you don't know anything that was presented that might have been turned out i don't think that there's been

anything ever all fishily table now that's not to say that that trolling and darren ferris who represents pinch partner haven't had conversations but all along the most part and again how do we know exactly how things are exchanged and what that looks like i can imagine

all that they wouldn't be talking in in parameters i can tell you that the expectation and this isn't recent this is going back probably midpoint of the season the expectation was you know based on how Marner was trending in terms of looking at an open market value that the Maple Leafs believed not they weren't told by Ferris this is the number I think they they thought that they'd have to come in at around 1325, upwards of 13 and a half, times eight, you know, to make it real. And maybe that wouldn't have persuaded

Mitch to say, yeah, okay, I'll take that. They just wanted to engage in a negotiation, and for all the reasons that Marner is entitled to, he was never wanting to do that. His agent didn't want to do that. Ferris always wants to marches top dogs to july first and it looks he's going to do it again with marnett and sam bennett alright that's fine they've earned that right do i think that there were conversations around numbers like that old

sure i do but i i'm unaware a brad trill of in putting a contract offer on paper and say okay you push this to my side of the table. I don't think that happened. Drex, realistically, because we were talking about it in the last hour, you're right, Mitch Marner has the opportunity to go anywhere he wants, July 1st, if he chooses. Yeah. How big is that marketplace for him? We kind of talked about this as part of the quiz.

I mean, it depends on which side you're looking at. uh... we kind of talked about this as part of the quick as i mean it depends on which side you're looking at if you're mariner i would think that that list is probably relevant it's short right i mean every player unrestricted free agent wants to go to a low tax you know states you look at the florida paters you look at the the tap a lightning you look at the vegas golden nights nashville's a team that fits into that dot dynamic the dallas stars fit into that there are a number of teams right well that's best case scenario

uh... so as much as it is about the money you can't all be about the money otherwise then you're you are looking at a much larger list of teams you know the detroit red wings will, Frankie Grotto just talked about this, the the Red Wings would love to add a piece like Mitch Miner. Right. Does Miner just want to go down the highway to Detroit? Probably not. What about Utah? Utah would like to make a splash. You know they've got the resources there. The San Jose Sharks, again resources, they'd like to make that splash. I'm the minor wants also win in the process in the team i keep

coming back to the vegas golden nights and they're gonna if if they're going to be a big game hunter in the minor sweepstakes and they've got to move money that's pretty obvious but there's a team and ownership of management their priorities one thing every single year that that's the win of Stanley Cup and they can be ruthless and and and just downright dirty at times in an effort to get there so I'm not answering your question noodles because it's hard it's hard to put a number on it it well and what it'll be better than half the league that at least inquires sure at least well and I'm curious like what you

say there about Vegas it's very accurate and they've proven that. If you're Marner though, aren't you thinking they'll do that to me in a year or two if I play the way I keep playing in these big games? Right. Like that doesn't have to be considered that like, okay, Vegas, we really want you, because they might, they very well could, that would make a a lot of sense but if he doesn't play well for them

he's not get what he got in toronto well support all those say here i don't care but you know move down your out of here and how does he have a lot of the c here that they don't say it's it's the third let's the depth forwards issue or we got to help out here there we have a plan on change the coach there though she had a lot of a right but i i i think that they would look the only way they go hot and heavy after mitch marner let's not overlook salmon

and some of the other and reagents available here right my my take on on uh... on vegas could be off to be fair i have there always circle there always there are always a boy creative and i love great players and he's a great player they they took a chance on jack eichel which at the time was a significant chance and they're not going to do that with any players available free agency or otherwise unless they've invested a ton of time and energy into making sure that that

player is going to be the right fit. Now that player has to prove that longer term, right, but their pro scouting staff, I mean they will have invested so much by the time July 1st rolls around or before that, you know, maybe you do the old sign-in trade routine and maybe Miner's even more comfortable with that

because the Toronto Maple Leafs get something back in return and he's not walking out and leaving them with nothing yeah i'm curious about the via flannel you know in that conversation with marter like if he if he if he decides to leave which will be as right you know does he does he consider his legacy here is reputation here

uh... i don't know i guess will find that will will get to that answer at some point but i think you brian is eight years you know that's an extra of all of their using that's mandatory for him you get the impression but that's mandatory cuz it wasn't for austin but i also said i'll die for and right and i also think amiko randhan right uh... and it wasn't for him either

i think that today's player looks at things differently in that regard. I mean of course it's about the money but when you're making the kind of dole these guys are dragging in I mean if you're talking about 13 14 plus million that's a lot it's a lot but there are other ways to recoup that. And they know they're still relative in their prime at 31-32. They're gonna get another big ticket. I mean they have to know that's coming. Yeah, well I guess we'll find out in the next two weeks, Drex. I mean the Marner scenario is, it's gonna be fascinating to see how this goes. And just quickly to interject, I'm as intrigued as to what's

going to become of John DeVirus. Now we heard DeVirus yesterday talk about how, you know, he had positive conversations with Treelove again and with Borubi and I Pretty obvious that Toronto would like to keep him If the numbers don't align whatever that is you look across the NHL and the teams that are looking for a number two centre They're all over the place they're littered across Canada. Yeah, I mean look across the n.h.l. and the teams are looking for number two center the first they're all over the place are littered across canada and we have a great i mean vancouver obviously montreal go go down the list

john i'm sure would prefer not to relocate for family reasons and they've got a negotiation of that work there's some stuff but there are some compelling arguments and scenarios around futures of the Toronto Maple. So here my question though then, do you view Tavares as a 2 or within a year is he a 3? Yeah, you know like father time comes for everybody and he's in awesome shape and he scored 38 last year. Listen,

but he earned his, he made 11 million right listen like you know it it but he earned is that he'd made eleven million dollars like you you know i was like you know i'm in four five six and seven jim that's why it comes for everything is gotten those games yeah but i a you know what i i think of the christian of contract you think the trauma believes wanted to invest in that level of term but they like the idea of christian this year, next year, the year after. And I think that a lot of general managers who believe that a player like the experience of John DeVaris aren't worried about year four or five. Well

that's what I was saying, Brian. What did I say? Five years at three or something like that? Five years like you do a lengthy deal and bring the AAV down, then it looks a lot different, right? Yeah, I mean, I'm, I don't know, like we've all given our opinions on what we think should happen. That doesn't mean it's going to happen, right? You know, like we have all our views on what we think the Leafs should do, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

When would you expect the Leafs to have an idea if they don't already what they want to do with both those guys, like Marner and and Tavares regardless of how those two players feel and like you said they're different Tavares wants to stay Marner we don't know what he wants but you think the Leafs are gonna make it very clear to both guys like hey this is where we stand? I would think so I mean those guys have to be your priority you know in getting to that place of where you can make an informed decision. And that might happen very quickly. I mean Mitch just simply says, I'm going to July 1st through the agent Darren Farris and we're not saying no.

Call us on July 1st. Yeah, we're saying we want to see what the market looks like and then yeah, we're happy to talk to the Toronto May Police. Well, at that point if you're trail living maybe, that's probably not gonna happen and then you move to To virus and then obviously you've got Matthew Nyes Who's got to be fairly high up the list as a restricted free agent, right? You have you have you have proprietary Protection there. So it's it's not as daunting yeah those are three guys

yet those of the guys you get a figure of knives we know is coming back to me and they're gonna find unless i guess he gets offer sheeted but then they can match and then i don't see that happening now by drugs good stuff we'll see what comes of it tonight game at game one down in dallas you guys are rocking on the panel tonight hot zoning it

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Didn't like the effort of the team. And then this morning he said, actually the effort was better on video than behind the bench. Like if you're Rod Brindlemore you must be listening to that singer. Are you kidding me, dude? Like your team just smoked us last night and you're unhappy with the way your team played? I don't mind that though. That's perfectionist. Stay on them. Stay on them i got you i got you did you did you hear them

did you hear for hagi and bennett mic'd up yeah i want to keep playing hockey that's what i was just thinking and then could trucks like let's have fun and enjoy a boys in this great for you know they deserve it man is there right let's get into where the jay are at in this Juan Soto story.

Again, the Mets are, they've been rolling through the AL East here, last, you know, handful of days and he got roasted at Yankee Stadium, didn't have himself a great series, his numbers are not good, they're not good at all, he's not running out plays, there's a lot of kind of nastiness hovering around the richest man in professional sports. Imagine not running out plays. I know. That is sickening. Yeah that's what it was. Lazy. Here's Steve Phillips our TSN baseball insider. Steve you know the market well you know the Mets fan base well how do you think they're reacting to the whole Juan Soto situation right now? Yeah I gotta tell you that that it's not just that he didn't run

out of ball a ground ball the second base in the Yankee game on Sunday where you know it was a diving play and he sort of put his head down but but it was bobbled and he could have beat it out if he hustled and then on Monday he you know playing in Boston he hit one toward the green monster that he thought was going out. The wind was blowing in and it ended up hitting off the wall and he's now set the record for the longest single in match history. And so, you know, so he stopped at first base.

Now he ended up stealing second and in his mind, I think he just like, ah, I made up for it, it's not a big deal. But it's the point of, you know, you're the highest paid player in the game, you're the highest paid player on your team, you're one of the best players in the game and you know, it was bad judgment

for the ball off the green monster. I think if he knew it was gonna hit the wall he would have run and tried to get a double and hustled, but it was bad judgment and you can't assume anything. And so it's a bad luck. The worst part isn't that he didn't hustle. The worst part is that he acted like people didn't,

he didn't know what people were talking about. He's like, no, you see me hustling out there. And that's the thing where you get the media to turn on you in New York if you're not accountable. Like if he had said, you know what, I'm a little frustrated and I thought that was going out and you're right, I should have been on second base, that's my mistake and I'm a little frustrated

and so I've gotta turn it and channel that into running harder, you're right, I made a mistake. Then people would accept it, but when he almost acts like he's incredulous and he doesn't know then people would accept it, but when he almost acts like he's incredulous and he doesn't know what people are talking about, that's where you start to lose fans and you lose the media. And the media always gets the last word, always.

And so, I think that he's set himself up right now that, and again, these were back-to-back days, but if he does something in September, it will get added to these two days in May. It's now he's gonna have to go out there and really perform and put up huge numbers and at that point people will go all right you know what he didn't run that one but he is hitting 350 and he's got a you know 1200 OPS and he's our guy but he's not that guy yet and so you know it's it's not's our guy but he's not that guy yet and so you know it's it's not a good look and it's not a good start to what's going to be a

15-year marriage and so he's got some work to do. Well there's a perfect segue into the guy in Toronto who's not making as much money but he's making a lot of money and and Vladdy hit a home run last night but that's his sixth of the season in a way he's he's not getting as much attention because Santander has been worse although he had a home run last night is sixth of the season and the Jays are a game under 500 and Vladimir you know it's it's not it hasn't been explosive I mean his numbers are kind of what what Soto is putting up in a way

what do you make aware the Jays are right here a lot of people in the city that Leafs are out as you know and it's like all right here we go let's gear up the Jays are a game under 500. Would you say this is about where you thought they would be at this point in the season? Is there reasons for optimism moving forward? Where do you stand on the Jays? Well I guess I look at it and think it could be a lot worse because the run differential indicates that their record should be with about five or six fewer losses. And they've outperformed record-wise the way they've performed on the field overall.

And so the starting pitching has underperformed in my mind. The offense has underperformed in my mind. The offense has underperformed in my mind. The bullpen, although better than last year, has had its own significant bobbles. And so, yeah, I think that considering that they've not played well and they're a game under 500, but everybody is, other than the Yankees in this division. This was thought to be the best division in baseball.

Now it looks like the American League West, the National League West, the American League Central are all you know these great divisions. So it's hard to know. I think that you know I think they're fortunate to be where they are. You know you don't pay a guy 500 million to be a streaky hitter. You pay him that money to be the consistent aircraft carrier to your offense. And so, Vladdy has got to get it going and it can't be the streak that comes on late in the season because by then it could be too late. The trade deadline is going to be an important decision for this team.

You think about it right now, you've got Seattle, Texas, Houston, you've got Minnesota, the Cleveland and Kansas City. And so they're going to be fighting for a wild card spot most likely with a lot of other teams and they're going to have to decide at the deadline whether they're going to go for it or not. And so they need to take care of business now. They went through a tough schedule. Their schedule's been tough on them early on, but there are no easy games unless you're playing the White Sox and they're playing a little bit better right now. So, you know, I would say, you know, at this stage of the game, I'm a little disappointed.

It's less than what I thought they could be and should be. You know, I think they can still play much better. But you know, so can a lot of other teams that have underperformed so far. Steve, is it one of those years where as a fan, and fans are gonna fan for that fact, I mean, they just can't help themselves, but don't get too high, don't get too low,

because they're just gonna be hovering around and just try to enjoy the ride, because what they're doing now is basically what they're going to be doing? I mean, it's, you know, I, they've not been able to get traction over the last couple years. That's the thing is they don't ever get that Minnesota Twins 13 game winning streak. They just, they hover, right? They play okay, they play poorly, they play well, they play poorly, they play okay. And they never get too far beyond where they are. They don well, they play poorly, they play okay.

And they never get too far beyond where they are. They don't get hot, it doesn't feel like at all. And they have the kind of starting pitching that you could go through the rotation and get a couple times through and win 10 in a row. But they don't seem to do it because there's always that game in there where it's close and the bullpen blows it,

or it's that game in there that they don't get the big hit. So it's just, you know, I think that from a fan-based perspective, I think that they're leery to buy in because they've been punched in the gut so many times. And if run prevention is mentioned, they're done. If internal improvement is mentioned, they're done. And so I think that that it's unfortunate but i think you're right i think it's going to be

let's just wait and see what happens to do what i get to hide because you know that you know if they were a couple that what we've seen that they tend to lose a couple as well with steve phillips and uh... anthony son tonder has obviously not made the greatest first impression with the team. He hit a big home run last night. You know, famous for slow starts and not

playing great in April, but now we're, you know, 20-21 days into May and people waiting for him to turn around. He's had a bit of a shoulder issue. I think over the weekend they basically protected him. They said you're just not going to play, take a couple of days off, find your game uh... you know again they reference the shoulder which may have played somewhat of a role in that but uh... how do you feel about the way schnider in particular is kinda handled son tonder and you still have reasons to believe you know at some point is just gonna pop form because he's just too good of a

player and to get a bit here in particular yeah it's it's, it's, you know, he's following the, you know, Sniders following the standard protocol. Right, first you strong goal, you take extra batting practice, then maybe you don't take any batting practice, then you get a few days off to clear your mind. Within there you might change the spot in the lineup to move them up, you might move them down, you might move them in, you might move them out. So they're doing all of those things, but something has to click for them to get them back in there

And you know, maybe the whole month like that home right here yesterday was a laser I mean that they didn't get You know higher than the wall just above the wall the entire way out So, you know, maybe there's something there He was able to pull his hands inside on a pitch on the inside part of the plate and drive it and keep it fair so maybe there's something there but his hands inside on a pitch on the inside part of the plate and drive it and keep it fair. So maybe there's something there but you know just again he's been a little bit like the team and it feels like this should be the thing that gets him going. He just comes to a complete stop again. So you know

it's got to be hope because he's the same guy playing for the Blue Jays that hit 44 homers last year for Baltimore so it's in there and so it's up to the team to get it out. With Steve Phillips our TSN baseball insider you got the Padres in town and Fernando Tatis is a guy like we talk about all these young players we mentioned Soto you mentioned Vlade these Latin American stars that you know got paid at a young age and they've popped and he's still a lot of fun to watch play man. Where do you stand on Tattis in terms of the best players in the game and the Padres who had a really hot start and they've really really slowed down. So Tattis is a proverbial 5-2-0 player. It's legit.

When you watch him play, he'll hit one out of the park, he'll hit one of the gap, you can watch him fly, he can steal a base, he'll run one down on the outfield, make a great play, and he's got a hose from the outfield, and he can throw out base runners right and left. So he's got all the tools. And I think further away from the injuries,

he's starting to play like that guy again with that level of confidence. And you know, you had the PED suspension, it made you wonder a little bit last year the offensive power numbers not quite what you thought But he's gonna get back to being that star. He's that good of a player the Padres are an interesting team There there's a lot of talent there. They've got a lot of guys locked up till like 2032 Cronoworth Mach Machado, Tatis, Jackson Merrill, Jander Bogarts. They've got Dylan C's the free agent

at the end of the year, which I think the J's are gonna miss him as he threw yesterday. But they don't have Darvish there. So they've got Michael King. So listen, they've got some good pitching. They've got a great bullpen and a solid defensive team. Everybody on the field

was originally drafted as a shortstop for them. Everybody. Everybody was a shortstop that's now playing elsewhere and so they're a really good defensive team. So this is the time to play them when they're down a little bit. Sometimes not who you play it's when you play them. This is the time to get them. The Jays need to take advantage of it because they're not playing their best baseball. Big time. And they did the last night the jays i don't believe it shut out anybody all season long

which says something about the pitching and everything that's been going on up here but they got that last night yet that he's is numbers and he said twelve runs already this year uh... the pod race have not gotten a hit with a runner scoring position in the last four games. Wow. So this is the time to get them.

We're familiar with that. They're just not coming through. That's what we saw last night. You guys have heard that story before. We have seen it, we have heard it. And hopefully that continues tonight, again on the right side of things. Great catching up with you Steve, as always. We'll do it again soon.

My pleasure guys, anytime. Steve Phillips, our TSN baseball insider. Remember when Tatis' contract was like some monster at like 250 million. It was more like 340 or something like that. Whatever the number was it was like there's nothing gonna top that for just the longest time and now it's like chump change. That's nothing man and that this is what the Padres were I think predicting is that contracts were gonna run wild and like when he broke into the league

he was the most entertaining fun guy to watch. That's why I don't understand why the Blue Jays didn't do that with Flattie where they just had their blinders on. I hear ya, like they wouldn't do it because like exactly like we saw it with, we've seen it with a number of players and a number of teams where they just said I gotta get in front of this, I'm gonna pay this guy, yes it's gonna with a number of players and a number of teams where

they just said, I got to get in front of this. I'm going to pay this guy. Yes, it's going to be a lot of money, but we're going to do it. And Tatis, it was crazy. The amount of money they gave him, like over 300 million. Didn't he hedge it though? Yes, he did. It's what's he did.

Yeah, like he did it. Yeah. Like coming into the league, he took like 30 million and said, pay you back with a ton of interest or something crazy like that and he hit it he wanted to pay it yeah i'm not sure he was ecstatic about that but um like he leads off for them and he just mashes and he plays he plays with like style man like tatis is a lot of fun to watch yeah he's putting up big numbers um but yeah there's a lot of guys make like the $300 million contract when Harper signed his deal when Lindora signed with the Mets and Tatees and you're like, all right, these are big, big deals. Devers in Boston. Now it's Vlad and Soto and Otani and these guys. Yeah, Kyle Tucker is going to get paid a fortune

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i think it's going to be a high flying crazy fun game. At least that's what I'm hoping for. But I think they're both rested. Edmonton in particular. Going down there. I think McDavid and Dry Settle are gonna be flying tonight. Imagine saying that in the conference finals. A crazy fun wildly entertaining. This game used to to be two one. That's it Yeah, well listen game game five against Vegas was one nothing in overtime Right, so there will be games like that. I look at last night though. I I bet the under I took the under and then all of A sudden it's five two and like all right game ones or they're crazy, right?

You're you're you're kind of finding your way into the series and they're hyper and you're excited and you're flying and... Well, a lot of it too is how's it going to be refed? Like, I felt bad for Chris Rooney. He got that stick in the eye the other night. Like, we didn't even talk about that. That was lost in everything else that went on. But...

I ran across one random tweet and it's not funny but uh... it kinda maybe chuckle at the moment as i was a little bit pissed myself and it said i'd rather be chris rooney that got my i'd couched out almost by that stick than a leaf and right well that they've been to watch that not said i thought i saw that we crazy man when he went down. Because they had a stretcher out at one point. I was worried his eyeball was on the ice.

That's what someone said, like, oh, I think, like, because then speculation flies. Oh, I think I saw something. I'm like, how? You're up here. You know what I mean? I think I saw something. Yeah, someone said that. It's like, oh, I think I saw that.

It's like, no, you didn't. You didn't see anything. You didn't see anything. You didn't he can see anything he can see a guy's eyeball you did not see that and luckily he was he did you know he just needed stitches and it was all good and he'll be fine but uh...

that was tough man was a tough scene i was like thirteen seconds into the period of five and garrick rank was on the ice within what he was like it's like he came down from the ceiling Look parachuted in and just starts flying around. He's like, yeah, I'm ready Let's go like is he in the back with skates and a helmet on I think you have to sit in there I think you have to sit in there in in your kind of your Equipment and that my case right like you think no skates. No, he was tying his skates up He actually tied him up in the penalty box when he probably knew what was coming when he was down it's

like okay you got to be ready to go yeah all right boys well let's see what we got tonight Edmonton Dallas we got game two tomorrow Florida Carolina we'll get the Jays in action tonight potlucks are options on any day potluck just say potluck and then we potluck I love that we continue with that we continue with potluck and we potluck i i i i i i i thought that we continue a potluck tomorrow there's no questioning that uh... and shout out to shay gilder's alexander even though we're not supposed to know you're the mvp mvp a canadian

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