PBD Podcast - Don Lemon ARRESTED! Mangione Death Penalty, Alex Pretti Attack + Kevin Warsh Fed Pick w/ Chris Cuomo

Episode Date: January 30, 2026

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana are joined by Chris Cuomo as they break down Don Lemon’s arrest during a church protest, the Mangione death penalty ruling, the latest footage of Alex Pretti attacking ICE, and Trump’s nomination of Kevin Warsh as Federal Reserve chair.------🏈 VT GAMEDAY COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4qecMKp🎙️ PBD & RAND PAUL - LIVE 1/31 @ 9AM: https://bit.ly/46oKpSy Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH CHRIS CUOMO: https://bit.ly/3Mh8lAx🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time!ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before. I have not. Okay. Oh, no. Season one, yes. Have you seen chosen? Chris?

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Oh, no. And the timing of it to have a. you know, Chris here to talk about, you know, how you feel about it. It's going to be interesting. Divine intervention. Don Lemon got arrested. In a hotel. In a hotel.

In L.A. 4 a.m. this morning. Anyways, we'll get into that. One of many stories. Number two is the new chief, Federal Reserve, Cal She, there was, what, $10 million of bets? Predictions? Positions.

$10 million of positions on it, and it was not the person people were betting on. And we'll talk about that. Kevin Warsh, right, who is now the... Who's being nominated? Aside from that, Senate Democrats on White House reach a deal to avoid shutdown. And what are the chances that that was going to happen? Because Cal she had that at 78% that there was going to be a shutdown. The entire market was...

Oh, by the way, the feature wasn't $9 million. $96 million. $90 million on who's going to lead the Fed. And a head fake by Trump during the last week. Yeah. So there you have it. Okay. And then aside from that, you got a few other things that's going on.

You know, Trump accounts will put $3 to $4 trillion of wealth in young Americans' hands. Trump warns Minneapolis mayor. He's playing with fire. We haven't talked about that. We haven't talked about the clip because this angel, Alex Pretty, who, you know, not this angel, this clip where everybody was telling us he's an angel. I think Elizabeth Warren is saying how amazing he is. Clips came out that this guy, a couple weeks prior to getting shot,

had an incident with ice. And you have to see this clip. We've all seen this clip at this point. Well, it wasn't the first time? We'll react to it. Yeah, it wasn't the first time. No, again, tragic could have been prevented. If Tim Walts would have cooperated, my opinion, none of this would have happened.

It shouldn't have happened. But we'll get into it. I'm sure Chris has got a different position here. and him and Vinny can go at it. All right, more than half of Americans have very little confidence in ICE today. Fox News poll, 59% of voters say ice is too aggressive,

up 10 points since July of last year. Minnesota, Minneapolis mayor, urges other cities to stand firm against immigration crackdown. Kara Swisher said something about Stephen Miller, if I'm not mistaken, that Megan Kelly reacted to, I don't know if you guys saw this clip or not

with Kira Swish of what she said about making about Stephen Miller that Stephen she compared Stephen Miller to who did she compare it to Rom? Himmler. Right. She compared to him. Himmler who was Of course she did. Of course she did. Of course she did. Right. And then there's a clip

Vinnie. I think you want to talk about the Tucker clip of him being in Saudi. Yeah. We'll get into that as well. There's a guy that tried to allegedly freed Luigi Mangione for impersonating an FBI agent. He's been arrested. FBI's searching election hub in Fulton County.

Hillary Clinton and Tucker walks into a Saudi real estate. So Hillary was at this event as well? I thought that was a joke for a second. Did you really? Like two guys walking to a bar? Yeah. She was there. There was a whole host of characters there.

Oh, so it's not just the two. No, no. There were some names there. I got you. I got you. They were two of the headliners. Yeah, and probably this next one is going to be a top five. I'm going to go through this story as a top five.

Spain legalizes up to 500,000 illegal migrants. Some folks call them undocumented migrants in this article. Sparkink backlash. We'll talk about that. European Union opens borders to mass India migration with mother-of-all deals. China eggs on Canadian PM, Prime Minister Mark Carney, trashing U.S. And then there's a few other things here with California.

FETs us California aggressively. Forcing gender secrecy policy on schools in violation of federal law. A guy named Chris Cuomo returns to serious XM with morning talk show deal. This guy, Chris, is apparently a big deal. And he got this. The biggest. Yeah, Vinny, I don't know if you heard, but he's got this deal from serious. Are you serious that he's on serious right now?

That's right. And FYI, for whatever reason, somebody forgot to tell him, when you're working out, doing cardio, weights, sweating, you're at the end of your workout, you're like testosterone is just going out 1,300. And then all of a sudden you want to attack Scott Jennings. Yeah. Who is not in the gym? I don't know.

I don't know. Play soft jazz music. Don't watch the news. It wasn't an attack. It was a warning that wound up, unfortunately, being manifested days later. Okay. Well, we'll talk about that. But Michelle Obama's got a message for you, Chris.

Black woman, don't complain. plain enough. And anyways, those are the stories. Guys, there's a game coming up called Super Bowl, right? And Seattle is going up against New England, Sir. And it's so funny because we can go through a whole different conversation with New England with Bill Belichick. Maybe we'll do that all the way at the end because I'm sure we all have some opinions on Bill Belichick not making it into the Hall of Fame. Tom Brady said, if I have to come back and play with only one coach, I'm not picking anybody else about Bill Pelichick. And, The guy didn't make it, and three other coaches were first ballot Hall of Famers, but this guy didn't.

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Why don't we start off with Don Lemon as a top story? This literally just was trending on Twitter the last 20, 30, 40 minutes ago. Apparently this morning at 4 a.m., Don Lemon was arrested in connection with an anti-immigration protest that disrupted a service at Minnesota Church and in critical. tensions between residents and the Trump administration. His lawyer said Friday Lemon was arrested by federal agents in L.A. where he had been covering the Grammy Awards. His attorney, Abel Lowell said, Rob, if you want to pull up the article,

not the article, but what the lawyer said, because the lawyer wrote a full-on letter reacting to this. If you go on X-Type and Don Lemon lawyer, you'll see it. On a letterhead. Yes, exactly, right there. So zoom in a little bit, Rob, for us 47-year-olds. There you go. Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in L.A. where he was covering the Grammy Awards.

Don has been a journalist for 30 years, and his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose sole role is to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable. There is no more important time for people like Don to be doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, the Trump Justice Department is devoting. its time, attention, and resources to this arrest. And that is the real indictment of wrongdoing. In this case, this unpersoned attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crisis facing this administration will not stand. Don Lemon will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly. Chris, thoughts on the story.

Not happy. I think the key word is even in the news item, not Don's response. journalist Don Lemon. If he is a journalist, it just makes you feel, you know, there but for the grace, go I, that if you want to go after people that you don't like,

and you have the disposal of the federal government, this is what it looks like. Now, do I think that if he were working at News Nation or at CNN, would he have covered the protest the way he did? No. Why? the dancing around with the people before,

going into a protected space as kind of part of it, the line of questioning, all of those things I think would have had pushback from people who think about standards and practices. But I think this is a very slippery slope. I also think just to put my lawyer hat on, I don't think they can make this case. If you read the Face Act,

if that's what they bring this over, I totally agree with protecting places of worship, 100%. And I think that protest was a bad look at a minimum. If it weren't illegal, it was a bad look. it was wrong even if they had the legal right. But I don't think they can make this case against Don, and I think the president just made him a lot of money because now he's a martyr.

You think the president just made him a lot of money. Really? Millions. Meaning someone's going to sign him, sponsorship, eyeballs, video. Of course. And just the organic people who are oppositional to the president in this administration as an extension of what's going on with ICE for many people in Minnesota and elsewhere,

now he's the face of it. this is the face of opposition of what the president is doing. Trump just gifted that to Don Lemon. That said, I would not want to be in his position. Got it, Vinnie. Well, the face, for anybody on the Democratic side to ever say

using the federal government to go after people like journalists and all that stuff, makes me laugh literally out loud I had to hold it back. The Face Act covers a crime to use force, threaten, or physically obstruct people in places of worship.

Say what you want. were getting in the way, all the affidavits were just coming out, that these people, including him, they were all standing around, bumping into people, were stopping kids from getting to their parents, that there was a daycare downstairs, and they were stopping children yelling in their faces, saying, your father is a Nazi, and I hope he burns in hell, okay? And say what you want. Don Lemon was outside with them beforehand. He acted like it was a surprise, and nobody knew. It's all BS, okay? And even if, let him make the money and do all this, Don Lemon has been begging for this type of thing, okay?

Because since he left CNN, he's been dying to be in the limelight. Think about it. CNN. He was one of the main guys at CNN. Now he's man on the street asking people, why do you hate Trump? Respectfully, he was the number 52 show ranked. If you ranked them, he was never number one. But he was one of the face of CNN, fair.

How much Chris? How much you think he was making a year, Don Lemon? Four to six. I don't know the number. Okay, $46 million. Now he's wearing a parka all in the street away from his husband. been bothering people. So the FACE Act clearly, like he knows what he's doing. And then he tries to talk to the pastor and say, oh, I'm a Christian. No real Christian is going into a place of worship

to disrupt it. He knows exactly what he was doing. And if what you're saying is, right, Chris, and he's going to get famous and all that, so be it. But guess what? Now he has a police record. He's on record for doing what he's doing. And by the way, is it weird? We're talking about feds going after people. The other two girls that were arrested, Chris, one of them's connected to BLM, they were released by a judge who's a Biden appointee. So it's like we keep doing this cycle where people get in trouble for actually breaking the law, but then once it gets to the judges, they get released. So what kind of justice system is that?

It's not fair. It's a two-tier justice, and I think it's ridiculous. Tom. So I see two sides to it. First of all, we got video, we've got audio on the disruptors, whatever you want to call them. They came in there. They've clearly violated the Face Act.

and deserve to be prosecuted under it. If this was a Muslim mosque in New York City and this was Turning Point USA going inside and disrupting it, the arrests would have happened on the spot. There is two standards for the type of faith that we, or the type of thing that we interfere with. Now, in the case of Don Lemon, you know, his lawyer wrote what his lawyer wrote

because that's a standard, that is the standard pabulum that lawyer is going to write. The first paragraph talks about the client. The second paragraph is, oh, but you're turning a blind eye to the two people that died should be investigated. Well, those two different things. I ignore the lawyer. But I look at Don Lemon, it's like, you know what? You're out there with the organizers.

You knew what was going on. And then you contradicted yourself in certain video segments of the same day. Oh, I didn't know this. It didn't know here. And then you went inside, conducted not an interview, but it kind of bridged into, you know, holding the person. time and and and being part of it yourself. And so I think what the feds did is they looked at that and say, you know what? We're going to arrest this guy. Now is it a strong case? No, it's not a strong case. Fannie Willis didn't have a strong case. Alan Bragg didn't have a strong case.

But this is how we do it in America. You attempt to get an indictment or a prosecutor or a step to get the mugshot to create the public perception. Do I think Don Lemon rode the red line on this? I do. Do I think. if he was working at somebody and they said with standard and practices which criss mentioned which is sort of the compliance uh department of news media would they have stopped they said don't don't don't don't don't interview people outside but don't get yourself into the middle of it they're interrupting a church service be on the steps as it spills back out they would have given him some guidelines and said right you and your crew do it this way that's a good point adam so i often

wonder what happened to don lemon right this might be the best thing that ever happened to to his career since leaving CNN because since he left CNN and since that horrible interview where he tried to expose Elon Musk, his career has been just in a downward spiral. I remember the times when I used to watch my good friend, tough guy, Chris Cuomo over here, and he would toss it over to Don Lemon, and Don Lemon seemed reasonable. Remember that clip where he would let, come on, young black men, pull your pants up, let's get it together. What happened to that, Don Lemon?

Now, I suspect what happened to Don Lemon is the same thing that happened to the vocal leftist in this country is they have complete TDS and Trump broke his brain. I wish he would come back to reality. Here's the final point. I don't even know if he's a journalist these days. I think he's a full-on progressive activist and the country would be a lot better if he just came back towards the middle

and have some semblance. That's not going to happen. I know it's not going to happen, but we better start. But let me ask you, is it a, does it do anything to credibility, to arrest and nothing happens? Or is it, is this a distraction? Is this a news cycle? Let's do it today because there's.

In the 24-hour news cycle, you want the bad news on your opponent. Look at the things that have happened. It's a new cycle and it's the game of perception mud. That's what I'm saying. This isn't where anything's going to happen to him. He may be a martyr. Do you think anything will end up happening to him, Chris? legally?

No, I think he beats the case. I think it's a bad case. And I think you've got to be very careful about the hypocrisy involved here. If you want to laugh because you can't believe the left is talking about lawfare, then laugh.

But you're doing exactly that. Own that part of it too, which is Trump is going after his opponents and doing exactly what he campaigned against. Mr. Promise is made, promises kept. That's what this is. Now, do I think Don put himself in a risky position? all day. Would I have done it that way? No, I wouldn't have. Would I want to be in his position?

No. I don't care what comes along with it. That's positive for his career. I don't want to be targeted by the federal government with this guy coming after me the way he goes after people, but own the hypocrisy. Well, let me ask you a question. Tell me what, because, so are you saying, Chris, that the federal government made this all up. They told Don Lemon to go there to look like he planned it with these people. Chris, they broke the law. All of them broke the Face Act. It's not going after your opponent. But you're lumping him in. No, no, no, Chris, he would, let's be men above. Let's be real. You don't think he knew what the hell was going on. Be, B, B, B, B, let's be 100 with each other. You don't think Don Lemon coordinated with these black BLM chicks and didn't know this was going to happen.

He didn't know he was going to go inside. He didn't realize, wait a minute, I'm educated, I'm not stupid. I'm going to go there and disrupt a place of worship. And because Trump is going after people that broke the law, Chris, since 2016, the Obama administration spied and went after Trump. It's been happening for nine years, nine years. So what are you saying? This is payback? No, no, no.

It's not payback. I can't hear you, by the way, Vinny. Can you speak up a little bit? No, it's called law and order. No, excuse me. It's called law and order. So though it's not hypocrisy. It's if you break the law, they go after you.

The left creates, like, the BS. They created Russia collusion, and then they went after him. This is on camera. He recorded it, like the moron that he is. This isn't going after your enemies. This is holding people's foot to the fire, okay? You guys create the crime, okay? These people are doing the crime.

There's a difference, Chris. I think the difference is your political opinion and how loud you are. No, that's what I think the difference is. You know, I get emotional, Chris? Because I don't get how you guys don't understand it. Your side, your side, Chris, has no leaders, no policies, nothing. All you guys do is run on fear and drama and chaos. That's it.

So you think fear, drama, and chaos is what the left does. Is not Trump and MAGA. No. They fight back. So, Chris, what are we supposed to do? Vinny, when they cut your hair, I think they cut a little bit more. No, but hit me out. Since day one, Chris, you guys have been going after this one guy.

Gavin Newsom, who's your guys' frontrunner that you're going to vote for, who wants to open border, no IDs, we're state... Vinny, there is a better chance that I vote for my penis than that I vote for Gavin News. Really? So you're my question. You have my vote, Cuomo. Are you going to sit this one out when he's the front runner?

Because he is going to... He just said he's not going to vote for. No, I'm asking... Okay, but who are you going to vote for? I have no problem sitting out. Remember, he didn't vote for by... I wrote in my brother in the last one. Here's what I want to know.

Look, I'm just saying, look, Vinnie, it's not only that I don't agree with you, and then I think you putting me on a side is petty, but I'm going to let it go because I like you. I can criticize your side and not be on the other side. I am anti-partisan. If I could wave a wand, okay? If I could wave a wand like our president can,

I would get rid of, I would go to Congress, say, pass these two things right now. One, gerrymandering, illegal, we're going to do it by an independent committee that we're going to figure out how to staff, everybody's going to get together. that's who's going to do it. Nobody else, nowhere else, no state, no nothing.

Second thing is, the parties don't get to control our political process. They don't get to control the primaries. And we would get reasonable in a second. That's what I would do. I'm anti-partisan. But what about voting ID? Showing your ID to vote in the United States. Here's my look.

I've talked about this before. Yes. Do I understand the arguments of disenfranchisement? Yes. Do I think it has jumped the shark and that the majority of the country wants it? Yes. I feel the same way about voter ID that I do about the death penalty.

Do I think it works? No. Do I think it's the right social instruction? No. But that's who we are. We are violent, angry people as a culture, especially right now. If the people want it, give it to them. I'm not going to get it. Same way with voter ID. If that many people want it, fine. I understand the arguments against it. But if that's what people want, fine.

But what bothers me is, and then I'll shut up, You want to talk about voter integrity and make it safer, great. But then don't do what you're doing with Tulsi Gabbard right now. What do you mean? Don't do that. Don't go to Georgia. Play on a lie that there are 350,000 ballots that weren't counted or were illegal, which is demonstrably false.

You could even go to Wikipedia, like you're going to learn about the FACE Act from Wikipedia. There's nothing in there about the standard of what you have to prove, by the way, which is everything in making a case. And the idea that you can show that Don Lemon had intent to organize and foment this situation as opposed to following along like a chuch. Good luck with that. I don't think they can make the case. But just be consistent.

That's what I'm saying. You're not consistent. But I think his prosecution was the latter. Let me just say this time. Guys, I want to get something in. Here's what I want to say. So I want to find out everything to me is can we have another case to compare it to? Has there ever been a time, Rob, this is the question that I've been asking on all the Open AI questions.

This is, has there ever been a journalist that joined protesters before? and went into a church to question the pastor, the preacher, or the priest. Okay? I say no. The answer is no. It keeps bringing up a guy named Hunter Thompson. For Hunter S. Thompson. Hunter S. Thompson.

I've had to clear up four times. Did Hunter S. Thompson go into the church to question a pastor and join the protesters before? And he eventually said no. There is no documented case of a major. nationally recognized journalists entering an active church service with protesters to question or confront the pastor in U.S. history, which means there is a case here. That's what I'm saying. Because if you don't set the tone, Chris, from the time, if it would have said yes, I would have said,

okay, it's the American way. If you want to go under question a pastor, no problem. But if you don't set the tone now to make it a precedent that you cannot do this, you don't think other journalists are going to look at this and say, I'm going to go into a church, I'm going to a Catholic church, I'm going to go into this, then guess what? You know what's even worse? Watch this.

You don't think a journalist like a Jake Lang, I don't know if I would put him as a journalist, but he's a guy that goes out there or these January 6th guy? Younger Nick Shirley guys or these Nick Sorda type of guys that do very, very good job. You don't think they're going to go into a mosque. You don't think they're going to go into an Islamic, you know, center and start asking questions from them.

Then what do you think happens? I think it is a very important, and now that I'm going a little bit deeper into it, I think it is a very important standard to set. I don't know what's going to happen to the guy, but if you don't set the tone and this gets out of control, so imagine they don't do anything. Let's actually play the other side.

Say they don't do anything. I'm a 24-year-old. Dude, I'm going to sit down and I'm going to be like, wait, that's all you have to do is go viral. Hey, what church are we going into next? That's what they know already. Look, I think it's a deeper conversation on one level, okay? I get you about setting a standard.

Okay, so let's talk about the standard. Nick Shirley, Jake Lang, let's throw Don Lemon in there, okay? Are they journalists or are they professional provocateurs? And that's the real problem is do you see ABC News going into a church? No. Do you see the New York Times going in and doing it? Ask why. Because they're afraid of being sued.

They know. the law. That's why. They have standards and practices. But by the way, could that not be the fact that they know the law and they're following the laws? They know the law and they know their brand and they are sensitive to different types of scrutiny. You said

what the truth is now. Go viral. Whatever it takes to go viral, you win. Then I'm for it. I'm for the fact that they did this to Donald. Wait, wait. We're not comparing. Nick Shirley is you can't put him even on the same plane as Donald Lemon is just the Trump.

and Trump, Nick Shirley, exposed one of the biggest fraud networks in the history. That is not even close to true. To true. Hold on. It's not even close to true. Do you put Nick Shirley in the same boat as the Don Lemon? I think that that's a silly

question. I think if you want to talk about Nick because what categories, well, what are they? What are we talking about Lions versus Tigers? What I'm saying is Nick Shirley went knocked on doors, played the fact that they wouldn't let him in as signs of fraud. The state investment The federal government is investigating right now.

Nothing has come up to corroborate anything that he said on his video, except they didn't let me in. I think it's because they want to hide what they're doing. They investigated at the state level, and you can say Minnesota's corrupt. I don't believe their investigation. Okay. But they investigated, found nothing like what he's talking about. Remember, we're not talking about the COVID scam with the white lady at the middle of it

that involved all those other Somalians that was, one of the biggest COVID scams going, which is real, and they prosecuted in 2022. 86 people. What he did knocking on the doors is not $9 billion, is not proven. The federal government's looking at it. Let's see if they come to a different conclusion. But putting them in the same category, I'll tell you why I'd say, no. Am I biased?

Yes. Why? Because I have love for Don Lemon, even though we have a checkered past, okay? And so maybe I'm biased because I have that personal, emotional stake. But I don't put Nick Shirley in any of that. categories. He's not a journalist. Why? Journalism requires rigor. You don't knock on a door, get an answer, go and cross-reference it with different people's licenses, and then the people on the right do the rest for you and motivate you into Edward R. Murrow. There's a reason there's

been no corroboration of anything that he has said. And I'll let you, but you said it I'm here for the pushback. You're talking about the state, you're talking about the state that has Tim Walz, number one, that has, hold on, Mayor Frye, I get it, Ilhan Omar, and Keith Ellison, who's a freaking communist. Chris, I get it. And I get what you're saying, let's wait and let's wait and let's wait. I'm telling you, it wasn't just knocking on doors. Who was the guy that he was with?

David, the white guy who had the proof and the money. It wasn't like they just not been saying nobody's here. He had the amount of allocations that were given to those businesses. And there's no children in any of these places. You don't know that. And then when the state investigators, no, I know, but the video is what it is. They're presenting what they want you to see. When the state investigators went there, they found children.

They found other violations also, by the way, but not of a criminal nature like he had suggested. All I'm saying is this. I'm not here to run down Nick Shirley, okay? I don't give a shit about that. What I'm here to do is say, let's see what they have. They're incredibly motivated to show that he was right. There has been no such proof to this point, and that matters. Now, who's better, who's worse?

I don't know. but I do stand on this one point. All that matters is going viral, okay? And that's where our commodity is, that's where the algorithm is, that's where the money is. And that's what these guys are doing. Megan Kelly is no different

than what you're accusing Don Lemon of. They're both doing it for the same reason. I know I'm on serious radio with her. I don't give it damn. They are in the business of pissing you off for profit. Is Don doing that? Yes, I agree with you. He is.

Should he? That's my choice. That's my choice. But there's a difference, and I want to validate what PPD said. Do me favor, Rob. Can you, and by the way, while you're talking about this, can you pull up the clip, Rob, I send you with, and Adam, I'll come to you in a second.

Yes, sir. Mayor Frye and Stephen A. Smith, you know which one I'm talking about? Yes. So watch this. This is where, you know, when you're saying, what you're saying, Chris, here's Stephen A, good friend. Both of us are friends with this guy. He's talking to him, and he asks him a simple question.

Look what his answer is. Go ahead, Rob. I've got to ask you this. When you talked about just illegal migrants in the city, people across the border illegally, that's what people called them. I want to ask you, how many do you believe you have in your city at this particular moment of time? Yes, to change it, undocumented. How many people that are undocumented are living in Minneapolis?

Yes, sir. Are undocumented? Yes. Do you have any idea? I don't know. No, I couldn't. I don't really have a guest presently are here. I do know that I think that the federal administration is getting.

there. Okay. So if you don't know the number of undocumented guys in there in your city, you are not a leader. How do you not know who's there legally and illegally? How do you not have the number? How would you know? Would you know that we don't even count? At the federal level, how would you know and unknown? Then this validates Nick Shirley's investigation even more. There is no accountability. What do you mean how? Well, not knowing how many people are undone. documented in your municipality does not mean that they're all committing fraud and you're unaware. No, those are two different things. I know. I agree. But by the way, they're illegal in the first place. They came here illegally. They are here illegally. Let's assume that. But I don't know how many

there are. The federal estimate is from 10 to 25 million. That's a good range. Shouldn't a mayor of a city that's going through crisis like this say, our range is a number? Shouldn't he have a range of a number? Is it one? Is it $10,000? No, no. For the city, shouldn't he be able to know. But I'm If the federal government where this is an obvious priority for them and it is not a priority for Fry, clearly, right? Their estimate is 10 to 25 million. That validates why Nick Shirley's content went viral. Adam. So I just want to ask Cuomo a question.

I believe Nick Shirley is not the story here. I think what he did is needed and he didn't go viral for the sake of going viral. He went viral because everybody saw what was going on with their own eyes. And now they start buying the quality leering centers. shirts because what Nick Shirley did was journalism. So we'll compartmentalize that. What I do want to focus on is exactly what PBD talked about with this Hunter S. Thompson guy. Now, if you're not familiar with him, you might be familiar with the movie that was, I think, based around him, which was called Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. And the whole concept of what he did was called

Gonzo Journalism, where you no longer are reporting the story. You are the main character in the story. In my opinion, that is what Don Lemon is doing. At the same time, you brought up Jake Lang who's bringing bacon to protest and agitating Muslims. So they are the main characters here. In Nick Shirley's situation, the Somalians who are allegedly committing fraud were the main story. Tim Walls and Inhal and Omar are the main culprits in that story for enabling them. But let me bring this back to your relationship with Don. Jake Lang, Nick Shirley, these are young kids with a microphone. Don Lemon is a 30-year celebrated reporter doing the same. same thing that kids are doing.

What kind of a fall from grace do you have to do from going from CNN Studio? I've moved down. I've moved down. To do man on the street. I get that. But that's the point is that he's doing gonzow journalism. You do what gets you paid and makes you relevant. That's the same question to people on the right. Megan Kelly, seasoned prosecutor, also pedigreed, had a shot at the big time, failed.

Now, what is she doing? But she's not doing man on the street. Would you ever do man on the street again? You could make the argument. There's something to be said here about man on the street. People start their careers with man on the street. You could make the argument. Don Lemon is finishing his career man on the street.

That is a very important point. I don't accept the standard. Tell me someone else who still does man on the street. But answer to experts. But answer this. Who do you see doing man on the street that is a credible journalist that's been in studio, mainstream studio for 30 years? I can't name one.

If you can, I'll understand your opinion. Why is his, well, I don't accept the standard. The idea of talking to people is a bad thing. I'm not saying talking to people. That's the most basic form of journalist. The reason that Jesse Waters became famous is because he worked for Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly sent him. him out into the street. Jimmy Kimmel sends

Guillermo to the street. Hold on. That was an act. Okay. I understand. It's different between an act and talking to actual people. A credible journalist who's now been relegated to a man on the street. That's my point. So let me, let me, guys, I'm going to move on. It's where the money is. So, Megan Kelly

failing, I think Megan left Fox. And then Megan went to NBC, if I'm not mistaken. And that was, that just didn't work out. It wasn't a fit, whatever you want to call it. It didn't work out. And then she They paid her, her full contract, to leave. Yeah. Okay.

Worked out well for her. And by the way, she's now. She's got a top podcast. Of course. Why? She's still. Why does she have a top podcast? She's talented.

She's capable. She is strong. Likeable by who? She's a professional provocateur. She has four million subscribers on YouTube. She's not a... But that's my point. You're making my point, Vinny.

Not your point. You're making my point. Which is she gets paid to provoke people. She gets paid to pick fights. That's all she does. You show me the last time she said something. What do you think about? That was positive.

What do you think like Kara Swisher? Kara Swisher is more of a hybrid. She was a legitimate business reporter who's got deep contacts and sourcing, who is also a political lefty. And we'll play to that. And I understand why her

comparing Stephen Miller to Heimlich-Hilmler is really offensive. Is that responsible to make a comment like that? Can you play this clip? Can you play this clip, please? It's too much. And I would last like to call out Stephen Miller who is in the center of this. We always

focus on Trump, as we often focus on the top people. But Stephen Miller, like a man named Ben Detson, he was the one who created the internment cancer Japanese, Heinrich Himmler, in the, in the Nazi regime. This is what he is. And he, he, of course, Trump gets the most blame being at the top. But people like Stephen Miller will go down in history. It is. How do you guys do it here? How did he not interrupt her? And should be jail. how this podcast works. You're absolutely right. They exchange their takes.

I do want to make one more point. Well, here's my thing. And she's a white liberal woman, which I think is one of the biggest cancers in this country. That's a whole other conversation. I'm just saying, how can you compare that to even Megan? There's no comparison. And the one thing that bothers me, Chris, how does anybody? You just agree with her politics.

No, no, no, no. That's the only difference between the two for you. How is she, hold on, ready for this? I don't watch any of her content. But you know what I know? Megan is extremely popular. She has her own damn network. And she's not a provocateur.

She's just pointing out what the other side is doing wrong. And I'm not saying, hold on her side, Chris, isn't doing wrong stuff. I can go down a huge list. But for Keras Swisher to sit there and compare a Jewish man to Hitler or somebody that worked for Hitler that was burning and killing and massacring Jews is the most absurd, offensive thing I've ever heard of my life. And why doesn't anybody push back? I understand. Everybody's pushing back.

No, he didn't. He sat there like he was just. just amazed. We don't know what he said afterwards. But that also, that is how that podcast works. But look, Vinnie, everybody's got their own way of doing things. You are a yeller, okay? With great points. With great points. You think so. They're passionate. I'll give you that.

But they're not always great points. But you are upset about it, and that's your way. I believe that that demeanor weakens the position. Why? Because we've both done a little bit of fighting, right? I've done a lot more. the cool head wins okay why confidence confidence i know where i am i know what i'm doing

i'm going to conduct this it's going to go my way i don't have to be loud and obnoxious about it you are right to be upset about anybody comparing american officials to nazis i understand why the exaggeration is offensive to a lot of jews and to a lot of people who want reasonableness to be the barometer i'm with you you've never heard me say anything like that

of course you've heard me take a lot of shit for saying you shouldn't say it Of course. Like what I'm saying right now will be clipped. Of course. And the left will all send it around that I've been red-pilled. I accept that. That's my choice.

You've got to see the choices these people are making. They're making choices to make money in ways that work with the algorithms. That's what Megan Kelly is doing. There's a guys, I don't want to make this a Megan Kelly thing. The conversation was with Hunter S. Thompson at the beginning where we said, I said, has this happened before? everything's showing no one's ever who's a journalist joined protesters before was in a fool enough to record it and even in the video that stairs says cut it off because I don't want the camera

look he definitely put himself in a tricky position and then to go into a church I get it you don't set the precedent and do something to Don Lemon what are you going to do to him no you have to make an example I don't know what the example is if you don't do something to him you got what you You arrested them at 4 o'clock in the morning. You got two choices. You don't do nothing. Millions of others are going to do it. But they just arrested them.

Arrested means what? They're going to release them. Hey, none of us want to be arrested at 4 o'clock in the morning. Nobody wants to be arrested at 4 o'clock in the morning. But also if you know, if you go into Wikipedia right now, you type of Nick Shirley, it doesn't say American journalist. We would consider Nick Shirley a citizen journalist. Yes. But even a, you know, a Wikipedia is going to say what?

Right. American. Contemporary. I agree. Okay, can you go to, I agree with that. Can you go to, uh, can you go to, uh, hang on, can you go to a, uh, why right wing? Go to Don Lemon.

Go to Don Lemon. Go to Don Lemon and let's see if it says a lefty. By the way, let's see if it says a lefty. If it says progressive, okay, American television journalist. Look how it doesn't say left wing. But also, I agree with your analysis, but one thing. We're looking at Wikipedia, okay? If you look at my Wikipedia page, I've never had anything to do with it, and it has said

stupid shit again and again. So this is not necessarily... I don't even know who was one of the... They called them editors who wrote it. If you asked anybody what you think about Lemon, he's a lefty journalist. He's a lefty. And we all know that lefty journalists is even a thing. I don't know.

We got to define our terms. But Nick Shirley is a right wing? I don't even know if I would say right wing journalist. He's a content creator, right? I think he's a content creator and I think he played to phobias on the right with what he just did. If you don't set the tone, here, it's going to be nasty. They have to make an example out of Don Lemon. You cannot go to a place

of worship. It is going to turn into civil war if you don't do anything about it. I get the face act, but you do have to make the case. They're going to go into mosques. They're going to go inside and let me tell you, it is going to be nasty. It's as if a group of people want this thing to take place. Don Lemon was a fool to go into the church. You don't do this. This guy's educated enough and smart enough to know this. You don't go into a church. You don't go into a place of worship. I don't disagree. I don't disagree with what the red line was. But I'll tell you what, you can apply the same thing, your same worry. If you don't do something now, they want what's going to happen next. We can say that about a lot of things. If Megan Kelly went into a mosque, she'd have a problem.

Not only would she have a problem, guess what I would say. It depends how she went into the mosque. No, I'm saying she didn't go in there to worship. She wasn't invited. If she went in, joined a bunch of J6, because that's even, let's qualify. She joined J6 protesters before, and we know some of the faces. At the end of the video, she said, turn off the camera because I don't want people to see what their strategy is. Then she goes into Mosque. She's got a problem. Questions the people there.

Then afterwards, she says, I didn't even know what the protesters were going to do. Then the video reveals that you know exactly what the protesters were going to do. You were with the protesters. I want Megan Kelly to be arrested and held accountable. because I don't want anybody on the left to be able to do this. I am slower than you. Even with Megan Kelly. Why?

Because I err on the side of allowing a free media. And if you can show me that she was part of the organizing and the ambitions of the effort, then I have a different analysis. And that's okay, by the way. It's okay to change your opinion as the facts change. Look at Alex Prattie, okay? You can have a different feeling about it,

based on what you see, even if the ultimate disposition of the killing has to be dealt with through the context of that specific incident. I don't know that Don Lemon was part of the organizing. He knew exactly these were protesters. I know. I didn't say he didn't think there were protesters. I didn't say that he wasn't out there hanging out with him before. That's different than proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he was one of the organizers.

Now you're being his lawyer. No. Well, to me, that's what this is. I get that. But Chris, if you allow. If there's certain things that when you're running a company, you'll have a certain lawsuits that 99% of cases that come in, you don't want to sue your guys.

Guy left, he did something, should we soon, let it go. Guy does this, he'll say this, let it go. He said this about you and you left. Let it go. This guy went and joined that company and he got on this, and he said this about you. Let it go. You want me to release the contract,

even though it's been six months, we can extend it to two years, give them the contract. You want to let it go. Then there is certain cases that comes up that you have to make an example, or else it will happen again, and it actually hurts everybody in the company. Don Lemon, for a guy that we've talked about,

and there is a purpose he serves, I'm not a guy that says he doesn't serve a purpose. I get, you know, both sides think they're right politically. There's a place that he serves a purpose. if this is the type of a thing, Chris, that will lead to a Civil War. This is the type of a thing that will lead to something very nasty if you don't set an example of what you do with Don. Let me move on to the next thing, which was the Kara Swisher thing.

Yeah. Who does Carol work for? Herself. She's independent? Yeah. The Pivot Podcast. Who was she with before? She's been a business reporter.

Yeah, she's been with big outlets. Her break was eight years or more. with a guy named Walt Mossberg covering primarily Apple and technology. And then the Wall Street Journal had her and Walt create a conference called the D conference, which was the first of its kind, a very small group of it. She, when Walt Retired, the Wall Street Journal stopped doing this, and she connected with Scott Galloway and suddenly became far more left in her presentation than I ever remember. And by the way, I also don't think Scott Galloway is far left.

Scott Galloway took me a center. I got to tell you. Scott, I think he is amazing. I think that he is a modern day political philosopher, and he should be listened to and observed his reason. His idea, I've never even heard anything like this. This is what gives me the wow. Scott Galloway says, hey, you populists out there,

you want to make a difference on how your government responds to you. Have a spending strike. Stop spending. Stop buying things that you don't absolutely need for three months. And the corporations will go crazy, go running the government and say, you better make this stop. The GDP just dropped. And they will change because of that.

Genius, brilliant. And it also exposes what? You want to talk to your crap, but you don't want to live. You know what makes him unique, though? Because the reason of what makes him unique, he was probably born a Democrat, but he became a businessman. And then those two collided. And he said, man, man,

I may be socially left, but I'm not fiscally left. I'm on this side. And then he started realizing what's happening with boys. I think he's got two sons. Oh, so brilliant. Well, he talks about young men in society. He gets him a lot of heat. He says it anyway.

This is not a Scott Galloway topic I want to get into. I'm going to stay on, Kara Swisher. Go ahead. So Kara Swisher says what she says about Stephen Miller. There's a clip that came up. You know, I'm at the Pentagon yesterday in the Department of State. We literally got back 3.30 this morning. Just so everybody knows, we landed 3, 3 o'clock this morning.

We got home at 3. 3, 34 o'clock we slept. We came back here at 8 a.m. And we're doing a podcast here with you guys. And we're energized, exciting. It was great. Yesterday I'm talking to a bunch of different guys. And, you know, we're at the, what do you call it,

Department of War and all these different places. We're talking to Hexhead yesterday. Christine Ome, did a podcast with Rand Paul. Stephen Miller's name came up many, many times. And I said, you know what Stephen Miller is? To me, Stephen Miller is, to give the analogy of basketball. I said in basketball, everybody needs a Dennis Rodman.

Stephen Miller is Dennis Rodman. Dremont Green. He is the Dremont Green. He's the rage baiting, you know, poking you, tapping you in the butt, irritating you. Yes, that's who he is. He's the, Dylan, what was the guy, what was the guy, Mala Veda, Delavada. Delavada. Oh, Delavada.

Delavada. He works here. Yeah. So here's, watch. This guy's doing a podcast. podcast, he's talking to a professor and accidentally realizes he used to teach Stephen Miller. Look at the response on what he says about Stephen Miller. Go ahead, Rob. My former student.

What's that? My former student. I'm sorry. Say again? My former student. The Stephen Miller and the Trump administration? Did you want to say a little bit more about that before we listened to this clip? He said that I asked him in 2003 what he wanted to be when he grew up. And he said, I want to be number two in the White House.

And I said, oh, when do you want to achieve that? He says, in the next 15 years, I said, wow, okay, well, who would be the president in 2003? And he said, Donald Trump, maybe? What? The guy is very smart. That's crazy. I didn't, where was this? And Duke is in Polisai 122.

You had him at Duke? Yeah. This is true story. You could have told, I mean, I do a lot of homework here, Hein. You could have told me this before the program. Not enough homework. Wow. Okay.

No question. He has a long-term vision. Was he a good student, by the way? It was very good. Very good student. Yeah. See, this is the part that they don't want to talk about. This guy, Stephen Miller, you know, they can say whatever they want to say about the Stephen Miller guy.

But that professor right there, you think they're probably on the same page politically? Probably not. You think that guy and a professor on the same page politically? Well, they're supposed to be, right? Because that's what that podcast is about, is bringing this guy up as context to. of what the podcaster already believes. Look, it's not about saying Stephen Miller is stupid or he's a genius. That is silly.

The fact that he's a number two guy to Hitler type of a comparison. It's so crazy. Oh, listen, that does nothing good. Yeah. Okay? It does nothing good. It makes nothing better. It doesn't create any chance of better outcomes.

All it does is piss people off. And if that's what you want to do, fine. I think the only mistake with Miller, Miller is not a front. guy. Miller's messaging, his demeanor, his style, I don't think helps the president. Strategically, tactically, philosophically, if he's helpful to the president, that's the president's choice. The only tweak I would do is, and now some on the left will criticize me and say, no, we need to hear him. I think that one mistake that Trump has made thus far, except for Leavitt, Leavitt is a good communicator for him. He is better than all of his guys at making

the case for him. And I think that what we're seeing... She is better, you're saying. Leavitt is the best of his people, but Trump is so much better than all of his people. And that wasn't always true for presidents, you know. That what you see with ICE now and the realignment that probably is going to come to pass,

that's Trump doing it. Trump had to get back involved. He had to say, well, we're saying the wrong things, we're doing the wrong things. He is not being well served by the people around him. Stephen Miller, strategically, they are very happy with. Bannon says the same thing, which is weird because they're not buddies. But having them as a front

person, I think is complicated. I'm not sure if I agree with that completely. I tell you why, because I first saw Stephen Miller and I didn't realize I was seeing him. You know where? You know where he came to national prominence? He fearlessly stepped up to the microphone and said that the case against his fellow classmates on Duke La Crosse.

He wasn't part of the lacrosse team. He wasn't part of that fraternity. But he stepped up to the microphone and made a very cogent legal analysis and sat there and said, this is wrong. This is racially motivated. the wrong way. He was strong. And guess what? He was right.

And that's where America met Stephen Miller standing up for his classmates. 15 years ago, I want to say. We're longer. Do you know who blew that case wide open and proved that it was a false prosecution? Me and Dan Abrams. NBC News and ABC News. We blew up the timeline. We proved that things didn't happen when they said.

Those boys got railroaded. And of course, Crystal Mangum, who was the accuser, wound up admitting it. The woman who was with her wound up admitting it long before. It was a con and it was done by a local prosecutor in part who wanted to make a name for going after the rich kids and impress his working-class community. And what happened to him, he was disbarred and he actually did time. That's right. Brief, but he did time. That's right. So I know the case very well. I remember his role very well. I wish he would come on, you know, to be tested and come on. He doesn't want to come on with me. And that's unfortunate because I want to give people an opportunity to make the news nation. Yeah, you won't come on. you know who you should have on though is if he won't come on with you should have on his wife Katie Miller who has this massive podcast now gets everybody on could pull her up I think she started it six months ago

she's had Elon Musk she says everybody from the administration so she's doing a lot of the talking for him but I'll tell you one thing about Stephen Miller I don't want her I get him I don't want your wife tushay but you know you take what you can get but I do want to get back to Pat's point when he's talking about Keroswisher I'll make a quick point about Stephen Miller Trump rewards Lord loyalty. Stephen Miller has arguably been the most loyal person since day one. He, you know, the whole Trump was right about everything. That is being like humanized in the human form with Stephen Miller.

That's why he rewards him. Back to Carous Swisher. PPD made the most important point about the, if you don't set the tone or set an example with Don Lemon, oh, you have no idea the floodgates that will open in mosques, in churches, in temples. By the way, good luck getting in synagogues these days, because they've learned the hard way that you need to have. armed security guards and fences because people will go shoot up the joint. The last thing we need are political agitators coming in in front of churches and mosques and doing basically what what Vinny's upset about.

What Karras Swisher said last point about how he's the Heinrich Hitler, the number two to Hitler, is so disgusting to me and shows you have no idea about history. Okay, it's inflammatory and bombastic, and it's just naive and wrong. I told the story about my friend's grandma who basically told the story, she's like,

yes, I grew up, all my siblings are dead, they killed my grandparents, they killed my aunt. She's the only person alive in her whole family, much less her town. And we're talking about two people that got in the way of authorities. Let's do that. That's a good transition as well.

Let's go into that. It's not even, doesn't make sense. Because I want to get Chris's thoughts on this as well. Chris, to be fair, I haven't watched what your position is here with Pretty, and I want to hear your thoughts where you're at after this clip. So we initially all saw the same clip. He was helping out that lady. And then all of a sudden, the first reaction is, wait a minute, what just happened here?

Then we all had to hear how amazing of a guy he was. He was gentle. He was a kind of guy that you would want your daughter to bring home, which Anna Navarro, I think, said that. He said, he's the kind of guy that you want your daughter to bring home. Something like that, I'm paraphrasing. And you see the clip and you hear how many times the weapon that was used, How many 100 plus, what is it, uncommanded discharges the gun had, the 320.

Vinny, what's the... Sagi 3-226 solid that has accidental... Accidental. Over 100 lawsuits alleging that the accidental discharge, so when he took it away, the discharge, and then that prompted the other officer, the other agent to shoot. So all of that stuff we've all seen, right?

Then we see this clip. I don't remember seeing an accidental discharge. That's what they're saying, that there was an accident. When they disarmed him, the guy that grabbed the gun, they're saying that that gun went off. The one that he grabbed Chris from the pretty guy, that discharge prompted all them. They're saying it. We don't know.

For sure. Although it would shine some light on why the other officers seem to move so quickly. But I don't know it yet. We don't know yet. I think all of it guys needs to be investigated. Everything we're doing right now is speculation, just so you know that, right? And then, by the way, comments were made on both sides off the cuff. too early, emotional that both sides screwed up with.

So let's not sit here and only put it on one side. I'm with you. But let's watch this clip rob of Elizabeth Warren. This one just got viral two days ago. We haven't reacted to it yet. Me and Rand Paul reacted to this yesterday, but the interview is not out yet. So here's Elizabeth Warren. And apparently I think BBC, somebody identified that that is 93%, 94%, most likely Alex

Pretty. Go ahead, Rob. Caring for people was at the core? of who he was. He was incapable of causing harm. Alex carried patience, compassion, and calm as a steady light within him. Even at the very end, that light was there. I recognized his familiar stillness and signature calm composure. Yeah, okay, so then you see that, right? And you see the video of what's happened here. Open-ended. What is your thoughts? Maybe, you know, Take a minute or two here and give us your thoughts on what you think happened here.

Early assessments of his character were exaggerated because of what we see. This is somebody doing something that most people would never do, even if they share his politics and opinions about ICE. This is violent. This is aggressive. This is wrong. It's not even arguably. It is a crime.

He is not protesting. This is criminal activity. it would fall to the category of rioting. It does not change my analysis of his death at all, except for one troubling thing that is counterintuitive at this point. I wonder if the cops who throw him around here are the same or knew about this in the second incident where he was killed,

and that didn't motivate the aggression towards him. I don't know, but everybody's saying this is proof that he asked for it 11 days later. I see it the other way. How do I need to know that none of the same guys were present or heard about it and acted upon him because of what had happened 11 days earlier? But the shooting itself is isolated, not just legally. That's not even a close call.

This would never come into evidence. Why? Federal Rule 403, probity versus prejudice. And this is obviously prejudicial. How is it probative of what happened 11 days later when you have video of the entire? incident. So the shooting, the death stands as something that has to be justified in a way that it has not been to this point. It looks like a bad shoot. This informs you about his character. 100%. 100%. There are different things to me. That wouldn't be admitted in a court of law?

This guy, this angel, this amazing nurse that never done anything wrong. But that wouldn't be an week earlier. He's assaulting a police officer's car? No, there's a report up there by the this incident, they have to fill out a report and say individual X, Y, and Z, and now there's video to cooperate. Did it show the video of him spitting on them or no? It happened right at the beginning. Another video of him spinning.

No, yeah, it's here, but you just can't see the angle. He definitely, he definitely in the video spits at that. Yeah. Watch this, go ahead, Ron. And gives him the face. It says come get me. It says come assault me. Yeah. Local news is in decline across Canada. And this is bad news for all of us.

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Shop L'Oreal-Paris Panorama Mascara on Amazon now. You don't think you're going to remember a guy like that? I think you would remember him. Of course you're going to remember a guy like that. And now he kicks the thing, and now they get out, and they come and they rough him up for what he was doing. Do you not think ICE already knows who this guy is and to rage the anger, even as?

parents said don't go out there if they do if they did they have a problem but it's i mean they have a problem i i don't know if it gets shown that it's the same guys or that they knew about this going into the second motive well motive is not part of the legal equation but state of mind yes state of mind for the ice agent toward like meaning it's a revenge type of case yep oh look who it is again i don't oh you think you're going to get in our face again after you i'm the guy you spit at what you know if they if that is true for me chris as a lawyer i'm packed that for me chris as a lawyer i'm As a lawyer, here's what the concern would be. Right. Okay.

Is that if what you're saying is true, which again, we don't know. But if you knew it was me and if you remembered from the last time or you'd heard about me 11 days earlier, and that wound up forming your state of mind, your intentions toward me, I'm going to rough this guy up. How would you use that as a lawyer? I'm the client. I'm pretty. How do you use that as a lawyer? This was clearly an intentional killing, which, by the way, I don't believe. necessarily. I don't know enough. But here would be the legal argument. You knew it was him. You hate him because of what he did the last time. And that's why there were so many of you, so aggressive,

so fast, and shooting him so many times. That would be the argument. Is that true? I have no idea whether that is true. But I do know that framing the second incident by this first one is a public trial, not a legal one. The shooting stands on its own unless you can show that the reason that happened is because this happened. And that is not easy, and it's not even easy to get into a trial. Flip the argument, be the other side. Argue for the other side.

Other argument is this. This guy was in the business of pushing ICE agents to break. That's what he does. That's what Renee Good does. that's what all these people are doing, and some of them are paid to do it, organized to do it. It's not organic.

So, 11 days later, he did what he does. They grabbed the woman, they did whatever they did to the woman. That was his opportunity. He comes in. He says things that you can't hear on the tape. He's touching them. He's resisting them.

He's pushing them to break. So he got what he asked for, as people on the writer saying, F-A-F-O. Does that make it legally justified? Probably not. Why? One of the two parties has a duty to be trained to de-escalate and not to be what they come upon, not to match energy. But legally, that would be it.

Now we know what this guy's motivation was. That's what instigated the incident. Does that absolve the officers? No, but it complicates the analysis. That's the two ways to look at it. Yeah, so I appreciate you going back the other side and pointing that out. I think it's kind of, I don't know. think we need to be careful about floating, you know, it's for the investigation to find out

which officers were involved, are they the prior officers involved? And I hear what you're saying. In a court of law, I'm speeding. They can't bring up that I was speeding as a 16-year-old 10 years ago. Was I categorically found to be speeding with a fully calibrated radar device at the time? All of the evidence, very isolated to that crime, that day, that situation. and you can't go back to it. It's not just public opinion, though. You can go back and look at this and ask yourself deeper questions about,

okay, who's getting the guy revved up? Who's he organizing with? How does he know to be here? There's a whole lot of things that are going on. The way he's yelling, the way he's positioning, that we have found playbooks over the last 10 days that were being circulated on Reddit, that were being referenced on signal.

So there are people out there that were getting this guy going and to walk into that environment with a firearm, with reputable reports from mainstream media that went to his parents because they want the crying mother, get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry. They went to them and they were saying, we told him not to go down there. We didn't think it was a good idea.

And so you go and you look at this and you go into, this is frame by frame played out. You can reach one conclusion. Play it at full speed and see what certainly appears to be subject to investigation. that gun discharging. It was a gun he was carrying discharge. So if he's not carrying a weapon, the weapon doesn't discharge. He's probably still there. Don't wrestle with officers.

He appeared to be reaching for the cartridges, which is where the holster was. It looked like he grabbed one. And now you're out over your skis. I've watched this probably 80 times. You're not going to show me that in the video. Could it be developed as evidence from testimony? Then let me back. back up four seconds and say, is it a good idea to be wrestling with law enforcement officers?

Wrestling with law enforcement is a huge mistake. Resisting is a huge mistake. Every lawyer will tell you. And I know that's emotionally unsatisfying for people who want to resist and who want to oppose. Every lawyer will tell you, fight the fight once the arrest is made. Do not fight the arrest, you're going to lose. There's no question about that. Does it deserve the death penalty? You're saying yes. I don't think he got that. No, no, no. I'm not saying he deserved the death penalty. It is a tragic, unfortunate, avoidable outcome that he put himself into the middle of. Who was it avoidable by? Who was it able to avoidable?

If he's not resisting the officers, it doesn't happen. Chris, you know, they were not because the things. That's a but-for analysis. The proximate analysis, the legal analysis is the officers have the duty to de-escalate. They did not. There are tons of people in mainstream media that, are calling this, you know, a vicious murder. He was executed in the back of the head.

No, he wasn't. You want to see a vicious murder? Go look at the way MS-13 conducts things. Those are vicious murders. This was not an execution. This was not the mob taking Saddam Hussein to the end of the alleyway and executing him against the wall. Those are executions at the hands of the mob. I agree.

But I'm not saying that. Well, too many people are. But I'm not. You have to look at this. You got me here, brother. Look at my shirt. I bought it just for you. Are you ready for this, Chris?

I carry a gun every single day all the time, no matter what. And if I know I'm going to get into a fight or if I know I'm going to go into a ball, guess what? I'm not bringing the gun because I, by the way, Second Amendment, I love it. Good for him. Congratulations. When you're going into that situation, by the way, in that first video, did you see what did he have in his back of his pants the first time? Maybe a weapon. Maybe 90%?

I would say he had the gun, but they pushed him away and they had to take the person that they detained and they wanted to get rid of him. They wanted to get this person. I don't know what they were for. I know as a gun owner, as an educated ex-military, military police, if you're going to go into that situation carrying a gun, you better expect that's going to happen. Chris, and mind you, these are human beings.

Besides the training, you're in a scuffle. There's a gun in that split second. Anybody can watch Monday Night Quarterback watching it. Oh, slow motion. There's a gun. It's happening in real time. A gun went off. Everybody panics.

and guess what? You said F-A-F-O? My thing is, crap happens. Okay, that type of situation happens, but the real thing, and you mentioned it, Chris, who, I think Pat did, I'm sorry, who, what, who is talking to you and who's motivating you to where your parents say, I don't know what the hell happened to him, I don't know who he's hanging out with, all the signal chats, all the stuff, it was all coordinated, and then when the governor and the mayor and Ilhan Omar are saying, Gestapo Hitler Nazis go after them. Think about it, Chris, he's, he's, he's things in his These are Nazis and I could yell at them. And not like the Jews couldn't say anything during the Holocaust and everything.

They couldn't yell at Nazis. I have the power. I can yell at these Nazis. I could tell them to go to hell. I could spit on them and nothing's going to happen. Let's take that step back. And how did he get to that point? You're a nurse.

What? And by the way, have you ever tried to kick the freaking light, tail light off of a car? That's not easy, bro. That's not easy. I try to do it when Adam had a car. But my point is, it's the mentality of how we got. to this point in this country. I don't have any problem with everything that you're saying.

I mean, some of the things I don't agree with in terms of whether they happen or not, but that's not the point. The legal analysis of the shoot does not involve any of that. The legal analysis of the shoot is not about how mad the guy was. These are people who are trained and given color of authority to deal with people at their worst. That's the job. Then don't do the job. Forget about it was accidentally discharged.

The one thing that I think should be consensus is, should there be a law that you cannot carry a weapon into a protest? Is it not in... In Minnesota, you're allowed. In Minnesota, you could. And most do it state by state, but I don't know what's stopping having a federal law. Yeah, but here's my question, if there's a federal, like the ICE was conducting federal duties and you interfere in that sense?

Border Patrol. I don't know. Border Patrol, whatever. I don't know about. the law in that sense, not the Minnesota thing, but if they're conducting duty and you show up with a gun and you get into a confrontation, I don't see how that's legal. I mean, the Second Amendment guys

aren't going to like us for this, but I mean, it does seem that the one thing everybody agrees on is that he shouldn't have had the weapon with him if he was going to engage in the kind of stuff that he was. Now, I wish everybody thought about it the way you do and the way I do, especially on a personal level. Like, if I thought I were going

to mix it up as a gun owner, I'm not bringing the weapon unless I think my life is in danger. That's why I have the weapon. But, But he didn't make that choice. Should it be put upon you, that it should be the law that you can't bring a weapon into a situation like that? The Second Amendment guys will never allow it.

Never. But it is interesting that we've seen this flip about, and I think it's about the desperation of advantage, but also sometimes things just through the lens of right and wrong makes sense. You don't bring a weapon to a place like this. Only bad shit can happen. That's right wrong, but we don't see things that way.

We see things right left, and Alex Priddy is a perfect example of that. It's crazy how it's a roar shack. test, how it's not about reasonable. It's about which side do I support. And more and more of our things are becoming that. And that's why I'm so afraid that the violence gets worse, which is why I said anything that Scott Jennings in the first place. I don't want to hurt Scott. I like working with him. I think he's smart. I think he's really valuable to CNN. But you keep talking this talk. Imagine Vinny, you know, you and me, like, you say something. I'm like, yeah, Vinnie, and what are you going to do

about it? As soon as this mic is off and Pat's not looking at me, what are you think is going to happen then? You'd be like, whoa, whoa, what are you doing, man? You're supposed to be friends. You're not friends. You're not friends. Like in Jennings situation. Don't be a bully. Don't taunt. Bad stuff's going to happen.

People are listening to you. A couple days later, this happens. Do I blame Jennings? Absolutely not. But we are asking for worse. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. I think I'm kind of where most Americans are these days.

It was just, I'm so, one day I'm on the side of ice. The other day I'm on the side of pretty. I think a lot of Americans are confused. Let me do this, if you're going to go there, can you play the Andrew Schultz clip? because it's causing a lot of people in a marketplace to kind of go through it in the way you're describing it, which is kind of like, man, what I'm seeing just doesn't look right. I can't believe this.

Rogan did the same thing. Rogan did it at first and he kind of changes position a little bit. He changes position a few days later, not fully, but he said, I wonder why, who this is benefiting. Nobody else is talking about the investigations that Nick Shirley did. Here's Andrew Schultz. Go ahead, Rob. Let's talk about what happened in Minneapolis. I murdered an American citizen in cold blood,

and then the Trump administration called him a domestic terrorist. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Like plain and simple. Yeah. I see the administration trying to spin it. And it's fucking disgusting.

It's like they didn't even have a moment where they're like, hey, we're reviewing the footage. We're going to try to see what's really happening. All of them, Trump and all the cronies, put out collective statements that immediately blamed an American citizen that was exercising his first and second amendment rights, right? He has the right to protest. He has a right to carry a firearm. He's a legal gun owner, right? There's no question about this whatsoever. And the administration immediately comes out and they try to gaslight the public, which you cannot do when we have 15 different videos of what happened.

Yes. And that is what they do, though. But that is what they do. Yeah. And I think that governments have probably been doing this for centuries, millennia. And now you have a public that is armed with phones and we can see what actually fucking happened and you're not going to just lie to us playing simple like that he apparently didn't see the second video he obviously didn't see the second video this this i think is from two days ago three days ago before the video went out with so just to defend andrew he may have not seen the other clip but go ahead at him yeah i mean i think sholts is is mostly right here

shultz has been and i think this is a calculated decision going a little bit further left because he wants to have a good relationship with his mayor he's a hollywood guy now more than a political guy. So I understand where Schultz is coming from. The reality is this with this guy pretty. He should be alive right now. He should be alive for a few reasons. Number one, he should have been in jail a week ago after what he did, assaulting the police officers, spitting on them, kicking the car, so he shouldn't even been at that protest. Number two, I don't know what needs to happen with ICE, but there's a collective conscious that's basically saying, stop killing people that are protesting. Whether you need rubber bullets, whether you need gas, whatever,

it is. At the same time, I stand with law enforcement. None of us, other than PPD and Vinny to an extent, have woken up and have served our country and put your life on the line. And if you believe what James O'Keefe is saying, and he's been in war zones, and been in all sorts of chaotic situations,

he said this is the most calculated, just communist agenda that he's ever seen, and he actually feared for his life. So, last point is this. PibD, you talked about how we need have a cool down period and stop having a rush to judgment you talked about how if you get in a fight with your wife and you're driving home you know used to have a half hour drive home to you know what

babe let me think about it what now you know he's clearly not married yet by the way well I get it but now it's not about being right it's about who's first yes so everyone who's what happened but nobody wants the left you think the the the the Mainstream media is going to play these videos of him being an agitator and an instigator? No. They want to make, you're playing them all over the place. Don't give them that much credit. We've all been duped by the left.

You included me for sure. But he should be alive. Well, you brought up the major point, F-A-F-O. These guys are looking for issues. I'm going to say something with Schultz and with Rogan and these guys. I think Schultz is. I don't know how to say this. I'm going to say it.

I think Schultz, how likely is it that Schultz studies the market of comedy very closely? Yes. How closely do you think he follows it? As much as you possibly can. Is it fair to say he knows the future of comedy is Marcello Hernandez? Oh, I mean, that might be a part of it. Do you think he knows that? That's a major part of it.

Marcelo the other day sat right next to Jimmy Fallon while he's doing a sketch with, what's his name? No, no, no, while he's doing a, they're talking to Bad Bunny, and then they're asking questions of somebody else that's sitting on it. I don't remember who it was. And when I saw that clip, the first thing I was, I was watching Jimmy Fallon. You know what I said? I said, Jimmy Fallon knows Marcello's about to take his job. That's Marcello's job. Whether it's going to be three, five, ten years, that job or Kemmel's job is Marcello's job.

So now watch this. Andrew Schultz is a guy that's super-case. He started his career mini. He was on Fox News a lot back in. I think he was on the five. I don't know what show. He was regularly on one of these Fox shows. And then he recreated himself, probably because he wanted to be a mainstream comedian.

And it kind of took off. And Schultz is not just a comedian comedian. Schultz is very smart. He's a very smart guy. Every time he talked to him, you enjoy his company. He's smart. I think there's a part of Schultz where he's sitting there saying, I'm not leaving New York.

I'm staying here. This is my position. right or die. This is my hometown. I'm going to defend this place. I'm going to be a voice here. I'm going to be that guy. I'm going to be to Joe Rogan of New York City. That's his mindset. Yeah, I agree. So logically, if somebody sat down with Andrew, my opinion, logically, I think Andrew eventually would logically say, okay, I agree with these three areas, but I still think this was a cold blood, you know, okay, fair, he's got that. With Joe, to me, Joe genuinely is heart first. Rogan you mean. A hundred percent. Joe genuinely is heart first.

It's empathetic. Joe genuinely is somebody that, and by the way, I mean, I'm not even part of this camp. Like, you know, I've been on the podcast a couple times, but I'm not, you know, best friends with you. I'm not in the comedic community. Hey, come down and do this.

I'm not. It's just say, hey, friendly, we see each other once or twice a year. is that kind of a relationship that we have. So I'm not saying this because he's my best friend and because all this other stuff and we're always doing stuff together. No, I would be lying to if I said something like that. I genuinely believe this guy's got a big ass heart

and he leads with that. But the part that makes Joe so special is he starts with hearts and then he says, fuck, dude, but what, you know, I don't know, maybe, I think that's what he goes through. So Schultz, I think Schultz is kind of a, wondering if getting too close to Trump is going to help him in his Hollywood career, doing movies, doing acting, having to show.

Because Schultz has the capability of also running one of those shows. One time I talked to Schultz, I said, hey, if you wanted to come down here, let's figure something out. I would make this entire place, Shultz's place, because I think Shultz needs to have a late night. So I think Schultz is kind of going through there saying, do I want to be a political guy? No.

Probably not. What the F am I doing? Let me just go be the comedic guy and do movies and all. I think that's kind of where he's going. That's a choice. And by the way, I don't think Joe cares to be in movies. No, I agree. Well, because Joe's already done that.

Did you guys hear about what happened with Joe in the Grammy Award? You guys hear about the Grammy story? You guys didn't hear about what happened? Why he didn't get nominated? No. Rob, do you have this clip? Did you see this or no? Yes, they did.

Watch this. Let them say to himself, Tom. And I'm so glad the three of you guys haven't seen it to react to it. You haven't seen it. This is phenomenal. Watch this. The, the Golden Globes. Yeah, what did I say?

Did I say Grammy? Grammys is for music. Yeah. This tells you how much I feel. I follow this stuff. Golden Globes. Go ahead, Rob. And speaks them being snubbed at the Golden Globes after Amy Poehler won podcast of the year. This was the first year of this being a category. So here's the thing. A lot of people say, why wasn't Joe Rogan nominated for the Golden Globes?

And like, why did it? And, you know, Amy Poehler went, I didn't submit. They asked me to submit to be nominated for the Golden Globes. And you had to pay $500. And the $500 is like for paperwork or whatever I said, no. I don't care. I already won. Like, you can't tell me I didn't win. I've been number one for six years in a row. All of a sudden, you're going to have a contest in front of all these people wearing tuxedos, and you're going to say now I'm not number one?

Like, fuck off. Joe Rogan speaks. I love that. So that's why he wasn't nominated. They actually approached him and then the five-run. He also probably knew he wasn't going to win. I wish. Well, what do you mean?

He's probably, I think Amy Poehler legitimately has a bigger, better podcast than Joe Rogan? Come on. That's not the question. It'll be naive. It's about who's voting. They weren't going to let him win. They don't like his politics, and they don't like how all over the place he is.

I wish Scott Galloway had his platform. I think the problem with Schultz, the problem with Rogan, when they get into these kinds of waters, is they're not built for this, okay? Scott Galloway is built for this. He's educated in a way. He's thought about things.

He's experientially there. He has an understanding of philosophy and politics and history. Who you get your opinions from matters. Now, I'm not saying you don't have the right. Chris, that's an elitist opinion right there. Listen, it's an elitist opinion, but I have the choice to want an elite source. You do.

Well, for sure you do. What I'm saying is I respect his success. The people have spoken. Joe Rogan is the number one podcast. There's no way you can look at it where it isn't. But I also think it speaks to where we are as a culture. You said, you said, built for this. What is this?

The reason that Joe Rogan is going to, the generous way to say to start heart and then go ahead, is that he's negotiating the space the way, most of us are. That's not usually who leads, who leads in thought making, what we used to call the cognoscenti, right? That was an elitist word right there.

Only Tom understood that word. It's elitist in terms of what do you see as elite. I think that, why do I listen to Scott Galloway? Because I think he's an idiot who has hot takes. No, no. No, I respect his experience. Why do I come with you guys?

I respect the basis of your opinions. I love the success that you guys have. built. I love what you're about. I love the consistency. Um, I respect it. Is that elitist of me? Um, no, it's I expect and respect quality. The reason Rogan is all over the place is because he's in, this is kind of new to him of people listening to his ideas about things and him needing to have takes on things. What's his great asset? He gets the best people to go on that podcast and he has open-ended conversations with him. That's, that's what he does well. These other we're trying to get into the opinion business,

not all opinions, have the same value. But have you heard his, like, I have to push back, because if you've heard his stand-up, from regardless of the career, which is, it's from fear factor to everything, right.

If you listen to the stand-up, it's smart, it's not just... I'm not saying he's not smart. No, no, no, and I'm saying, though, and then with the pot, I have to push back because if you've listened to these conversations that he's had with scientists and, you know,

NASA, astronauts, Elon Musk, and everything. The questions and the pushback, he's not, I'm not saying you're saying he's done, but there's a reason he's number one is because of the conversations and the questions, and it's not like he sat there and write up, he wrote the questions down. This is off-the-cuff conversations where even he's thinking, and if you've gone into like, he goes down these rabbit holes, and it's not the, oh, I'm high and I went down this rabbit hole. It's sometimes it's how many, but Chris, when's the last time you heard an entire podcast of Joe Rogan? Me? The whole, be honest. Absolutely never. Okay, so you're going to sit here and say that

He's that guy, and you haven't done any actual research you're watching clips that they put on... That isn't even close to accurate. What do you mean? What you just said is stupid, Vinnie. How do you figure? The idea that I haven't watched an entire podcast start to finish. It means that I don't have any research basis for my understanding of Joe Rogan. You watch clips on you on...

Yeah, clips like a thousand. I've listened to his podcast so often, and I've read and seen. I mean, that's just... Wait, wait. This is... This is... No, Rogan. But, wait.

You don't need to watch a three-hour podcast to develop an opinion. This is a stupid thing. How many clips have you watched of Rogan? Huh? How many clips have you watched of Rogan? Literally thousands. He just said thousands. Thousands.

He said thousands. And I don't agree with your assessment of his interviews with a level of sophistication. You want to say that about Howard Stern? I'm with you. You want to say that about a Galloway? I'm with you. I think there's some really good people out there who aren't necessarily from the political space. That would be elitist.

Pat, can I bring this back to you? Wait, Howard Stern, the guy. That brings people with Down syndrome and butt-naked girls. Yeah, he's done a lot of stupid things. But as an interviewer, anybody who listens to the interviews he's doing now, people grow and mature, Vinny, okay? The way that Howard got, Howard Stern almost started race riots in New York City. Howard Stern wanted to run against my father because he believed everybody

deserved the death penalty. I have plenty of reasons not to like the guy, okay? First thing he ever said to me when I met him was, it's just an act. So I got plenty of reasons to dismiss the guy. People evolve and they change, and I give them that. Why? Because I want it. That's why. I want that grace. I want that forgiveness. Not from some other schmo. I want it from there.

But his interviews are sophisticated, especially when he's in his wheelhouse. I don't feel that way about Rogan. That's just my opinion. I'm not disrespecting him. I don't want bad things for him. But I do think you wade into these kinds of waters. It's not surprising that he's going to go back and forth. You know, I'd rather hear Tom Holman if he weren't in the administration. I'd want to hear his take.

I want to hear John Miller on CNN. I want his take. Why? Because he did the job. Because he knows what goes into the analysis. Because he understands the politics of it. That's all I'm saying. No disrespect.

And I know everybody's going to take the clip and say Cuomo's jealous of Rogan. He hates him. It's not true. I wish him only good things. But you also said he's not going to be number one in three years. Remember that? Do you want to put a bet on that?

You said that a year ago that he's not going to be the number one podcast. In fact, he almost lost it last year. But I'm saying three years. So wait, when did you say this quote? I don't think Rogan will be number one in three years. There are too many other voices coming into the space. You want to make a bet? But you said that statement a year ago, so we have two years left.

I'm here. I bet you a 500 bucks he's going to be number one. Hey, take that to the bank, guys. He can be number one in two years. There's another podcast in South Florida that might be in the conversation at that point. Can I bring it back to you? Because I think where you were going with Schultz is very, very accurate because we obviously know Marcello very well.

We know Schultz very well. Because if you're putting yourself in Schultz's position, I know you said you didn't necessarily want to, come out and say it. So I'm just going to ask you. I think he's looking at two different diametrics. I think he's looking at culture, Hollywood, what Marcella was doing, and then looking at politics, New York and business. Schultz and his team, how much time have they said,

how do you build a business? What are you doing right here? At what point is he going to see the taxes in New York and say, even though I'm trying to play this game, it's going to be too much. Andrew loves his dad. When you have a man who was raised by an incredible family, Have you ever heard how he talks about his mom and dad? Yeah, the ballroom dancers. He gets emotional talking about his parents.

When you have incredible parents, loyalty goes higher. When you have incredible parents, loyalty goes higher. To want to make them proud goes higher. To want to make them happy goes higher. And if his parents are pro New York, this is where we are. We got to make your work. He's probably going to do that. Does that mean long term?

He's not going to move and go to Florida, something like that. He may do that. I think he's going to stay in New York. I think he wants to be the King of York. I said that earlier. Yeah, I think he does. I think he does, but I also think Marcelo Hernandez comes into play here. I really believe that.

For those that don't know Marcelo, why do you make that point? If Marcelo is, you know, like, I wish I knew Vinny at 23. Because I think Marcelo and Vinny give me same vibes. Okay, but I met Vinny at 44. Okay. If I would have met Vinny at 23, I would be like, Vinny, listen, man, we're going a different route. If I was, I'm telling you right now, if I was Vinny's agent at 23,

Vinny probably doesn't give a shit about politics at 23, right? Funny guy doing what he's doing. I would have helped Vinny have a job like a Fallon chemical if I was an agent. If I'm me, my wiring, I negotiate a lot of people's contracts beyond closed doors that nobody knows about. And I'm not going to say publicly, I talk to a lot of people that call me, big contracts and I'm talking to them and I'm involved. And, you know, I enjoy this.

I just have no desire to go into the, what do you call it? I have no desire to go into that space. Zero desire to go into that space at all. Marcello and Vinnie have a lot of common. Extremely likable. The difference with Vinny is, once politics gets a hold of you and you hit a certain age where you're like,

dude, I don't give a shit about being famous. I love America. I want to talk about this, this is that. Marcella hasn't gone through that yet. Marcelo is 26, 28, 28, good looking, charming, handsome. My God, he's likable. He's probably a center guy because of his mother. His mother's beautiful, talented.

This guy's got a very big upside. And Marcelo, everyone's watching what's going on with Marcelo, and his video is going viral and it's effortless. The mother's Cuban, no? The mother's Cuban, yeah. So he could easily shade right to Cuban. But I want to transition into next door. I don't want to stay here.

We haven't covered a lot of stories, but that's my thoughts on the... You know, he worked here at Valuetainment. That's why Pat is talking about it. Oh, is that true? Yeah, yeah. But look, this is the incubator. Whether he worked here or not, this guy, the credit goes to his abilities on what he's done. Can I make 1.20 seconds that I think you'll appreciate?

So he just did his comedy special. It's trending on Netflix. It's the top three thing. I went to the show, multiple shows. We're backstage. We're hanging out. His family. You know, he's a very good friend of mine.

I met him when he was 19. It was right after Charlie Kirk got killed. And we had a very important conversation because I'm, you know, where we stand on Charlie. I'm like, he goes, yeah, but Charlie messed up on one thing. And this is what I do in comedy. It's called rounding the joke. He says, I'll go all in on white people as an example.

White people did this, what were this, what were this? But at the end of the joke, just when he's offending the white people, he'll say, but we all know that the white people are the best, kind of a thing. And that's what he criticized Charlie on is that we live, in this dumping culture, where you'll dunk on somebody, then they'll clip it.

And then what he does is he rounds the joke. I appreciate that. You're at two minutes now. So what I would say with you with Marcello, as usual, there's a difference between Marcelo and Charlie Kirk. Marcelo's got a clear vision. He wants to be the modern day Jerry Seinfeld and higher.

Yeah. Okay. Charlie Kirk was not trying to be comedian. It's a terrible comparison. If Charlie wanted to be comedian, it'd be a, different story. Marcello's going to different. I know he's saying it. I get it. I get it. Okay, all right, let's get to the next story. This next story is a little bit of a weird story, but I think we have to touch it. Spain legalizes 500,000 undocumented immigrants, spark and

backlash, this is kind of weird what we're talking about here with Spain. So as the United States experience, and by the way, this is a Fox News story. As the U.S. experiences negative net migration due to President Donald J. Trump's policy, Spain is heading in the opposite direction, announcing plans to grant legal status for up to a half a million illegal immigrants, Spain's socialist-led government approved a royal decree on Tuesday, allowing unauthorized immigrants who entered the country before the end of 2025, and we have lived there for at least five months and have no criminal record to obtain one-year residency and work permits

with possible pathways to citizenship, while many European governments have more to tighten immigration policies, some encouraged by Trump administration's hardline approach, Spain has taken a different path. Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez and his ministers have repeatedly highlighted what they describe as economic benefits of legal migration, particularly for the country's aging workforce. Spain will not look the other way. Migration minister Elma Seiz told reporters at a news conference saying the government is dignifying and recognizing people who are already in our country. Cuomo? Politically fraught.

I think that Spain, I don't think, I know, Spain is in a very bad place economically. Unemployment, where their future is, what kind of investment there is in that place. They have real problems. So they're looking at it through that lens. And yeah, it's a socialistic government and politics,

and that's a little bit more expansive in its thinking about migration than other European countries. but there are conditions put on it, but I think that it is a very risky move because I think it's hard to know who you are allowing and what their impact will be.

And this would certainly not fly in America, certainly not right now. Vinnie. I just, I mean, check your phone. The whole thing with everything with immigration, I know Tom, you're going to go for it. Everything from, like, especially UK

and all these countries, they don't understand what this is going to do to the country. And going just really quick, Alex Freddie, why is all, why is everything happening in the country with all this ice and everything? You know why? Because for four years, the Biden administration opened the border. They're doing exactly what they're going to do over there, and flooded this place with people that do not belong here. And the moment that people speak out, it's like, ready for this? One side makes the mess. And you go to try to clean up the mess and they go, hey, what the, and they get mad at the person cleaning up the mess. Okay? I think this is a horrible,

freaking mood move. It's all for votes. It's all for votes. And they're going to feel the brunt of it. And I feel bad because I have friends, Pat, whose families just fled Venezuela to go to Spain, finally after 30 years, and now they're going to go to this. This is what they're going to go to.

As Chris pointed out, I have one question to ask when we get to this. And I am so curious with this one thing. But Tom, I want to hear your thoughts and I have one question I want to ask. So Spain has a struggling economy. And in a lot different ways. And the concept that the way that you're going to figure out how to fund the

struggling economy, I'm going to use a word here, but it was a word that's been used to describe a set of countries. Within the socialist block, that is the EU, there was a phrase that came up, not invented by me, called pigs. And I believe it was Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain, or Ireland, in Greece, Spain. But it talked about the ones that were consuming socialist resources to take care of all their people versus the ones that were contributing the capital to do it. And the capital usually came from Germany and sometimes France, because remember, the UK is not part of EU. And so what you have is this struggle in Spain and someone stands up and said, oh, if the illegals have in here five months and have no criminal record, let's give them a residency and work permit.

The residency and work permit includes rights to things that we have seen break budgets in the United States like Medicaid and California, like, you know, EBT cards in New York City, where that puts stress on the system because all of these illegal immigrants, and that's that they are. They're immigrants to humanize them and they're illegally here. And so I won't say alien. These things create stress on economies. Why won't you say alien, Tom? Why are you walking on eggshells saying you won't say aliens? Well, because, you know, I think that illegal immigrant is a very strong, clear term. Now, illegal alien is also a clear, strong term. But the average person, I think, doesn't know that alien has been a constant verb.

me constant noun in the lexicon of describing immigration for 150 years cares all use both of them but the point the point simply here is that i will i see i'm just wondering why you know why is that a you're going to just rank it yeah why is that a sensitive thing to even say like we have to be careful not saying a word like that's not a good okay i'm sorry i'm sorry maybe i was self-checking a little bit so these you know come say how you feel so these illegal aliens come in there, they are going to take more resources from Spain to take care of them. Because just because you have a work permit and residency doesn't mean you have a job and then that you're being taxed and then the cycle is going back into the country. I think this is a really

bad idea that's been brought about by the EU and the globalist agenda that's underneath the socialist policy. The socialist policy will bring bankruptcy, the globalist, agenda destroys cultures and brings all these people in. Ask Germany how it worked with all the boat people. They have been trying to untangle that mess now for four years. Vinnie, you said something already, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, Adam. I've circled back in 10 years. Let's see what happens here. You know, I've been very vocal that I wake up. I don't think about California. We've seen how this state is basically falling apart, and I wish them luck. I should. I should. sure as I sure don't wake up and think about Spain.

For one point, I used to wake up and think about London. I used to think about Paris. And at this point, guys, do what you got to do. We'll circle back in 10 years. What I will say is this. How many videos have we shown or seen of the guy? I think he was in Germany or he's South Africa. And he goes, you're not going to tell me where I can film in my country.

You're not going to, this guy goes all over the world, basically exposing what illegal immigration or immigration and globalism has done to all these amazing countries. why is it that countries that have a culture, that have borders, are expected to take in the third world? If Europe wants to do it, God bless. All I want is that's to not happen in America. And I think that's what a lot of patriots feel. And Pat, I know you want to ask a question. My thing is the people, the people, what can they do?

What can you? They're going to vote. They're voting for socialists. No, no, your government, your government. When they say Spain, it's not the people. The people Spain aren't voting. for the government. Hey, anybody can come in the office.

Obama came in and he did such a great freaking job. What I'm saying is, at what point, Pat, at what point, Chris, I want to know you guys just think, do the people say enough is enough? For four years, I'm actually embarrassed, Chris. If I was in the military, I think it would have been a different story. For four years, we know what the Biden administration

did, and I didn't do anything about it. America didn't do anything about it. When the border was right open, why didn't we act? Why did we all go to the border? I'm being dead. No, no, hold on. and say, hell no, you're not going to let these people in because we are where we are today because of that policy. And nobody said a peep. Nobody from the other side said a peep. And then we get land to this point where people are getting shot and ice and this and that.

And everybody's like, how did this happen? Murder, by the way, is down 20%. Overdose deaths are down 20%. And New York Times came out with the article and they're like, what in the world? How did this happen? I think, Adam, it's going to keep happening to where the people are going to have the step up. Last thing I'm going to say, when the Graven Newsom's come in, Chris, I know you said you're not going to vote for him.

When the Gavin Newsom comes in with the pendulum switches, and he's the guy that is pro illegal, pro-open border, pro-no-I-D to vote, what's going to happen then, Chris? What are the American people going to do when the border gets reopened and the same problems happen again? Let me just answer this. Then you asked a question that I think deserves to get an answer. If you could pause a second. The people did speak.

They voted for Trump. Just like the people spoke and they voted for Mom Donnie. And in four years, they're going to realize, what the hell I do. They should have voted for a different guy with named Cuomo. That's my only point. The people will speak, but they speak with their votes. No, the actions. I have a question that actually goes to what Vinnie was

actually saying, not my own opinion off the side. So Vinnie, you're saying, what are the people doing? I'll tell you what they're doing. Conservative people, conservatives have won elections. Now, Rocky won a conservative election in Poland, and Mertz, a conservative candidate, won an election

in Germany. We're not talking about prime ministers. We're not talking about this, but Ursula von der Leyen is still president of the EU Commission, and the EU Commission and its globalist desires and constructs are infiltrating what's going on. But you are seeing the voters vote for conservative candidates in response. When you're saying, what are the people doing?

In many cases, they're trying to vote, and they're trying to put these conservative candidates out, and they're rebelling against the policies that are coming from the centrist control point that is the EU flag. Remember, the blue flag with the stars, on it, runs Europe more than your sovereign flag does, regardless of what people want to tell you. That's a good point by Tom, but validating my point. So here's my thoughts. The question that I got is the following. So if you look at, Rob, can you pull up what times in U.S. history has

population declined? What few times has the population declined in the history of U.S.? You got three different times, 19, 19, 19, okay, near zero growth or minute decline in growth states, growth rates. Then, of course, we had COVID, which was like negative 1%. Aside from that, we've never had another time. Okay. I actually want to see the reports come in on what happens to U.S. population in 2025. So I think it declined. I think the U.S. population probably declined in 2025.

I think it's going to decline even more in 2026. And why? Because of immigration. We're not letting people in. So then what's the solution to that? The Democratic solution is what? Open the floodgates, let people in. 10 to 25 million, whatever number that you said earlier here,

we've heard both of those numbers. What's the Republican plan for that? What's the conservative plan? Now, of course, they're talking about this $1,000 plan. I don't know if you're seeing this or not. Rob, this battery pack doesn't work, by the way. Can you ask Mathieu to just come into the building? At this point, like, I'm asked for a battery pack three times.

And I know you brought it to me. This one doesn't work. I know they're doing $1,000 for the kids that they're giving away that, you know, Bank of America signed up for it. I want to say Michael Dell signed up for it. I want to say a bunch of guys signed up for it that they said they're going to be doing. What else are you going to do? And FYI, say that report comes out.

Be the liberal. Be the opponent, be the enemy, argue for it. What do you say? Is that a taint? Is that a bad look? What is it? If it says U.S. population declined for the first time, not because of a war, not because of Spanish flu,

not because of what do you call it, COVID, but because we stop taking any immigrants in. What do we then say? How does the enemy argue against that? I'll come to you, Tom. Logical argument, and Chris, I'm going to come to you afterwards. So somebody came to me with that, Let's just say all of a sudden news comes out.

2025, the first time in U.S. history, where population declined not due to a virus or a war. I would say, let's look at the underlying reasons and let's make them plain and understandable for people. Boomers, now the generation is passing away. Birth rate, because we've destroyed the concept of the American family and the pride of having children and doing things, because we've become so anti-family, we're having less children. And so we're responsible for our own shrinkage. These same headlines, ladies and gentlemen, are showing up in Japan. These same headlines are showing up in Korea because with the pride of having a family and building within the country has been replaced by this individualism and this socialism and this lie.

And consequently, we're passing away right on time with actuarial tables and we're not having children to replace it. That's what's going on, folks. That's what's going on. What would you say, Chris? There are people on the left who would say good, right, because they think the world is overpopulated. I think there are people on the right who would say good because they believe that the country is overpopulated. And then it would become about what we decide to make it mean. Okay?

What does it mean? Does it mean that we are shrinking in a bad way or are we getting stronger because we're concentrating our assets? And I think it would become a political football. and I think that the idea that the right doesn't have a plan or the left does is optimistic on both, though counterintuitive, because they're going to react, not act. So it will become a thing. Okay, if Pat's premise happens, we've gone down in population,

we will feel some kind of way about it, right? And different people will make us feel that way. Then they'll react. And if it seems that, well, this is good. It's working. It's working. Trump's policy is working. If it's seen that way, you know what the rights plan is. Let's keep going this way. This works. And if it's, oh, no, we overcorrected. We need, then they'll have another one. And they'll encourage what Tom is talking about. Hey, what happened to our investment in our families? How come we're not having enough babies? So they'll react

to it. I don't know that on its face, the population going down is inherently good or bad. I don't know. But I do think it will be shaped by our binary politics. I think the moment that news hits, you're going to hear mainstream media on the opposite side saying, look what happened. Do you now need your immigrants? What do you want to say now? Are you not going to open the borders and start accepting people that are coming in? Biggest mistake. Look what we're being impacted by.

Companies can't hire people. Capitalism is being affected by. Job creators need these immigrants that were at least willing to do to work. I think that messaging is going to go off. And all I'm saying is they've got to find a way to get a message that incentivizes people to have kids again. And a way you do this $1,000 works, the IVF program thing that they announced, I think you saw that as well. I think I would be going a little bit deeper to find a way to go deeper on the story. Attack cost of living.

I'll tell you who wants to, whoever wants to win that argument goes all in on cost of living. Because the whole problem for the American family is purchasing power, right? I mean, and you saw what happened. It took three days for the banks to get the administration to step off the credit card idea. Three days. Oh, we talked to the banks. They're going to put out a Trump credit card that's 10%. But otherwise, we'll let them figure it out.

These are the big dogs. The banks, the health insurance companies, these are the big dogs, big pharma. If you take them on, you change the cost of living. If you change the cost of living, you change the ability to have kids. I think cost of living is a major factor. Affordability is a major factor, but I'll tell you what I think is the biggest factor, and that's feminism.

We talked about this with Tate the other day. I think there's going to be a reawakening amongst women who have been sold a bill of goods to say, stop focusing on having kids, stop focusing on having a family, focus on your career, focus on your job, be a boss, babe. I think young women are looking at the world saying, huh, is this really what I want to do, compete with men? Pat, you brought up a study,

I think it was of 12th grade girls about how men still, number one priority is having a wife, having a family, and living that ideal American dream. From women, it's now number 12. Women no longer want to grow up and have a family. And I think young women

are going to basically come to their senses and say, no, I don't want to do this. And I've already seen it where young women in high school are saying, I don't want to end up like the Chelsea handlers of the world, 50-year-old cat women. I want to have a family and I want to have kids. it just may be too late for some 30 and 40-year-old women.

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We'll see what happened here. I mean, for EU, that argument, remember, that argument's going to come here. If you're saying 1.5 million to 2 million people self-deported, that's the number we keep hearing about. Okay, if you're saying, then think about the people that you've deported, all right? Then three, think about the people that are no longer coming here. I support all three of them. I support all three of them, but you better get ahead of it. It takes how long to have a kid? 40 weeks. 40 weeks is almost a year, 52, 12, but it's three months

less. Like, you have to get ahead to promote and then get husband and wife to think about having kids and that thinking could take three to six months. This is not a boom, boom, boom, let's have kids. And you don't get pregnant right away. You spend your whole life as a young man worried about getting people pregnant. Then you decide to have a baby. It is so true.

You realize you got eight minutes. It is so true. To get it done. It is so true. More than the 30 seconds. But what happened with China, Pat? Yeah. But no, this is.

But one child policy backfired. But that's a policy. We stopped having kids. Correct. It's a very different. That was force. Yeah. This is our choice.

feminism destroyed obviously the child birth rate. There's a bunch of different things that we can, you know, talk about that prevented this from happening. But I think family nucleus, going back to selling it, affordability, all of this is a part of it. Hopefully they'll figure it out. By the way, this story goes to Rob. If you can go to page 18, the video,

European Union opens borders to mass India migration with mother of all ideas. If you have this clip, Rob, press this clip. Go ahead. Watch this, folks. Thank you. Finally, Prime Minister Dianarenda, we both know our greatest wealth are our people. That is why I'm so glad that we are signing an agreement on mobility.

We will facilitate the movement of students, researchers, seasonal and highly skilled workers. And this is also why we are launching the first EU legal gateway office in India. It will be a one-stop hub to support Indian talent moving to Europe in full alignment with EU member states' needs and policies. This is good for our economies. This is good for the friendship between our people. And this openness benefits us all. As we conclude the 16th summit. Rob, is she going to get to the point or is this going to be like, I mean, just tell me what she's saying.

Let me just read, guys. I don't know about you. Maybe you have more patience than me. What is she getting to, Rob? So your opinion has agreed to open its borders, mass immigration from India, has assigned a block largest free trade agreement in EU commission. President Ursula von der Leyen said in the press conference in New Delhi alongside Prime Minister Modi on Tuesday that the block has agreed to a mobility scheme to allow the influx of students,

researchers, seasonal and high-skilled workers from India and to Europe. The EU chief has also said that Brussels will open a legal, Gateway Office in India to help facilitate migrants move to Europe. This is good for economies. This is good for friendship between our people. This openness benefits us all, said Van der Leyen. Despite the scale of the charges, changes agreed, reports in a legacy media generally ignored or bury the migration aspect of the agreement, reportedly heavily on the commitment trade agreement assigned alongside India already ranks among the top countries of origin for legal migration into the EU with Indian nationals receiving the second most first-time residence permits

among any nationalities in 2024, 192,000 only behind Ukraine at 295,000. According to Indian Prime Minister Modi, there are currently over 800,000 Indians living in the European Union, Tom. Well, guess what, Pat? What you just said is exactly what's happening here. What Pat was just talking about three minutes ago was, you know, what is the left going to say? Oh, we need workers. We need this. This is what we need. This is go. Guess what? And by the way, who's speaking? Prime Minister of Germany, which is the, which is really the economic backbone of EU? No. Is this France? No. Is this all of the prime ministers coming together like a G7 type conference? No. It's Ursula van der Leyen. She is the unofficial president of the EU. And this deal has been cut. And it's, you take a look at

the birth rates on all those countries. You look at what's happened over there. This is the response, Pat. This is exactly what you were asking. They're saying, well, we need, what do we need? Seasonal labor, skilled labor, and we're going to allow students to come here. Exactly the categories that you're waiting for liberals in America to say, who's going to, where are we going to get skilled labor? Where are we going to get it? This is it. There's another factor. This is the response, Pat. This treaty is the response. There's another factor that matters a lot and wasn't mentioned by her and wasn't mentioned in the write-up either because people don't want to touch it.

What does India have going for it if you're going to make a mass migration deal other than that that the second biggest population? What do they have going from? 14% of their population is Muslim. And what they have going for them is the big reason that people are migration-averse right now is extreme Islamism,

is that when Muslims are coming into societies, look, I don't like this. I do a lot of work to distinguish between extreme Islamism and being a Muslim, but we see these communities where extremism takes root. They change culture. They fight against culture. India doesn't have that as a mark against allowing them in right now, which is kind of an unspoken motivator. Why are you less worried if you hear Indians are coming in than you hear Bangladeshis are coming in, right? which came from India, right, because of the extremist Islamism risk.

And that's something, too, that America is just starting, despite 9-11, just starting to wake up to it. Because we don't have a huge Muslim population here, really, relative. You do in New York now. And we have a growing, it's a growing population, no question about it. And Chris, Chris significantly, it's also uneven. Uneven? Yeah. That's your synopsis of Mamdani?

Uneven, because it's too early to see the policy failures. but his early reads, you know, kindness is not always really kindness, right? There's such a thing that's tough love. You leave people out on the street who are not competent to make their own decisions, and then they die. Ten of them. Because there's a storm. That's on you, brother.

And it's one thing to say, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, as if they want to be on the street. Leadership often is not about the softest, the gentlest cell. but it's going to take time for his policies to be put into proper context versus what he was saying. But he's not off to a great start. I see he's asking for money. Are you prepared to donate to Mom Donnie's administration? And I don't live in New York City.

Okay. So you're good. If you did, I would have a much higher tax rate. Would you donate to Mom Donnie? No. Okay. I don't believe in what he's about. I do believe in the affordability, in cost of living, whatever you want to call it.

I would love to cover that all the time. I wish the algorithms were trained to reward members of Congress and influencers for talking about health care costs and why it's so expensive and why we need the ACA subsidies in the first place. But you don't need what comes along with it with him to get those policies. Let me do this since you're talking about that. By the way, breaking news, we'll get to it here in a minute. Louis Jim Mangoni will not face death penalty, judge rules. We'll talk about that here in a second.

It's literally just happened right now. Right. What? But prior to going into that, while you're talking about this, in regards to Maldani, did you see the clip of him getting up and saying, hey, we need $12 billion and I don't know where you saw that clip? Can we play that clip since we're on Moundani right now?

That wasn't one of the topics, but I think it's timely. So here's Moundani. Apparently taxes wasn't supposed to be raised for the average New Yorker, and then all of a sudden this is what happened. Go ahead, Rob. We can't hear it, guys. Can you start from the beginning, please? Where the city isn't a difficult position.

Guys, start from the beginning. I still can't hear anything. city is in a difficult position. There you go. Thank you. We are also seeing a moment where the gross fiscal mismanagement has left New Yorkers with a bill, the likes of which we have not seen in many, many years. And we have seen in the politics of the past that in moments such as these, we ask those with the least to bear the greatest burden. And we know that here in the wealthiest city, in the wealthiest country, in the history of the world, that we can not only put our city back on, firmer financial footing, but also build a stronger city for everyone if the top 1% of New Yorkers pay an additional 2% in income taxes. Recently, I actually had a New Yorker turned to me and self-identify as someone who would be taxed by this proposal. Self-identify.

Is it true that you want to raise taxes on me? And I said, it is true. And they said, well, I would leave. I said, I don't think you would. They said, why not? I said, because we're looking to raise income taxes on the top 1% by 2%. So for a million dollars a year, that's an increase of $20,000 in taxes. And when I told them the amount, they realized that it wasn't enough to actually make them change where they would consider their residence.

Yeah, of course. Please raise taxes more. Why don't you do 20% on these guys making a million bucks? So I know you voted for this guys because you don't like his opponent. He was going up against this guy, this other guy named Andrews. Only because he's ugly. Yeah. I judge people on looks.

What do you think about what he just said? He's better looking than his brother. What do you think about what he just said? Look, here's what I think, okay? And I know people are going to get upset and they're going to come after me. Knock yourself out. He is way over his head, okay? We've never seen the like.

No, you've never seen the likes of this. Because you've never been involved in elected office. You've never led. You've never understood. You're a kid. And you're an inexperienced kid. So it's new to you. It's not new to New York City.

And it's not a new challenge to anybody who runs a major municipality. You can say the numbers aren't impressive to the top, but that's not the way they're going to hear it. And it is very popular in New York City right now, if not in New York State, if not in the country, to go after the top. So he is playing to a popular political trope, which is kill the rich and tax them.

I don't care if he taxes them because I don't live in New York City. But the idea that he knows what, to do. Here's the problem with taxing me two cents more. What are you going to do with it? Where's the money going? How efficient are you? How are you? How aligned are you with what I think matters? He doesn't check any

of those boxes for these guys. What do you mean? He's never had like a big boy job or he's never run a company? What are you trying to say? No, no. Chris, saying serious, last week he announced in front of a camera, New York is staying a sanctuary city and if all the kids are going to come and eat and go to school and everything for free. That's where that two-child-tious. That's where that's going to go. And that's why they don't want to give it.

So it's not like the rich or pigs. No, right? I'll give you the money. I'll give you the money. If you want the money for me, but let me know what it's for and let me feel good about it and know that you can get it done. He doesn't check any of those.

Are you hearing a lot of rich people that you know leaving? Are you hearing Exodus? I am, so some of that happened already. Okay. Because of him, not a wave like I've seen COVID already COVID yeah yeah but and there are a lot of people came out to where I live

also you know your area blew up oh yeah right I mean you know for sure I love that area yeah so and the infrastructure is not set up for it that's what we have it's not set up or it is no way traffic is bad traffic plumbing everything first responders and see it's a challenge but look he is on course to take New York City in a terrible direction.

Leadership, policies, execution. And I haven't even built in the thing that matters most yet. Crisis. You think 10 dead homeless people is a crisis. You have ICE come to New York and try to do an operation. And he doesn't get some better brain around him who says, you're not Jacob Fry. This is not Minneapolis.

You better work with these guys and do it now. If they come here hard and heavy, you could have bloodshed in the streets of New York that he will not be able to control and there's a 50-50 chance he'll say something so effing stupid in that moment that you'll have no leadership. It's scary to me.

And I know people don't like that and they'll say it's because I'm Islamophobic. No, I'm worried for Muslims because I don't want them to be judged by a guy who has a tendency towards extreme Islamism. It's not fair to them, that they have to own him now. I'm worried for them. By the way, while you're talking about this, I want to show a clip again of your good friend, Kara Swisher.

If you want to pull this up of Kara on with what's his name, Rokano, who we had him here on the podcast. Watch this clip. Okay, folks, I just want you to listen to this. Rokana, could be speaker of the house. And tell me how you. And tell me how you feel about she's saying something about taxes in California and look at the way she talks about it. Go ahead. Tell me if this, tell me if somebody's watching this. Let you say you're watching this. You're a job creator. You work your tail off. You have days that you go without sleeping at all.

If not, you have weeks where you go three hours a night, every night, seven straight days as a business owner. You're losing money. You're losing all this stuff that's happening. You tell me if people in this state thought of you this way, would you want to move your business to California? Go ahead and play the clip. And I think what it is, it specifically targets, I got 100 people. I think it is who are threatening to leave California, except for Jensen Huang, who's apparently staying. I have two minds of this. One is you made your, and I said it to one this weekend. I said, you made all your money in California, you ingratful piece of shit. You could figure out a way

to pay more taxes and we deserve the taxes from you given you made your wealth here. The second thing is, yes, there are different ways to do this, but the length of time it would take of the kind of vehemence you would fight whatever happens means nothing would happen. So why don't we just do shock and awe at this point? Because you don't seem to be, you know, availing yourself to thinking that you... Are you kidding me? Oh, your state something more. As if you're already not paying.

Which they don't think that at all. Watch. They don't. They think that there's waste and that there's abuse and there is some waste. I'm not going to say everything we've been spending is perfect. but the point is you have a real crisis here. Would you, business owners watching this, the ungrateful business owners that risk it all

to create jobs in any economy, which, by the way, these ungrateful business people, Kara Swisher doesn't understand, any other economy would welcome them. Nashville would welcome them, Brentwood would welcome them, Franklin would. I think Arizona may, Nevada, would Texas would Dallas definitely would Austin would Florida would a lot of people would

why the hell would anybody want to go to California when they look at you the way that they look at you that they own you that they own you Tom how do you process this when you hear the way Kara is explaining on you know these on this entitled piece of you know the way she described it how do you view this message from her this is the evolution of car swisher that disappoints me that I don't really understand where it's coming from unless she just felt that there's a highly profitable lane there, and this is the differentiated market. This is a woman who was a tremendous analyst with Walt Mossberg. I used to look forward to their breakdowns and analysis of what was going on with startups and with companies.

They called Apple out when they thought products were not, you know, optimal or decisions were not there, but it was very, very straight up, and it celebrated technology, and it celebrated the things that happened. And now all of a sudden, on the other side, you know, the post-40 car swisher suddenly is like this socialist champion that is ignoring the risk. She knows about the risk. She covered the amount of venture investment. She covered venture investment path that went bad where pension money and other money that was in venture funds went after some company invested in it and it became a smoking crater. You know, she sounds like a bitter woman who lost an opportunity and she had a chance

someone to make a lot of money. I just sense bitterness. And it's so unattractive. I sense it too. And also with liberals, I'm also confused by the lack of math, Pat. I won't go too deep into it, but yesterday Pat and I saw Eric Adams. And we asked him something. And he pointed out that I believe the answer was an $8 billion reserve.

I think that's the number. And the reserve, if I'm interpreting what he was saying correctly, would have been an account and money that was unspent that was available to the budget of New York City. Well, have you ever trusted a mayor that comes up and says that the problem is this number? Doesn't it always end up ending up being bigger and bigger and bigger? Because nobody, you covered this in the media, Chris. Nobody wants to tell you the full number. The real number from Mandami right now is $20 billion.

because it's $12 billion he's willing to talk about today, and $8 billion that was in a reserve account. When you put those together, it's at least 20. You're assuming he even knows the number. That's my next point is that they come back correcting it. But that's – and so her coming up with numbers, what's another percent, what's this, you know, and Mandami, it's like liberals have lost the spreadsheet because the narrative is just like go after the risk.

But also there's a pendulum. There's a pendular move in profile, right? The left is now inhabiting the populist angst, the outrage, the disruption, the institutions failed us, the government failed us, it doesn't work. They have that now, you know? Tune in on Instagram this morning to find out when the other parties. So you had a bag on this side, disenfranchised, disaffected. Now you have what I call mega, because they're actually a bigger group who are now using the populist

outrage and the president is trying to navigate that, right? Because he's like, wait, no, this is my vibe. How do I get back in front of this? What's good? What's bad? Swisher, though, is a perfect messenger for that because she has a harshness to her that is hardwired. This is someone who had an interview with me, okay, that I, you know, I did at the time because I was like, I'm not afraid of any questions. And they're like, oh, Carras Swisher is going to take you apart. I said, okay, let's do it. And she told me and means it. And her, brother confirmed this to me. Okay. He invited me to Christmas Eve dinner, by the way. She would not have helped her brother if he was in the situation that my brother was, because it would have

conflicted with her journalistic duties. Wow. And she had to stay impartial. To your brother? No. Having his ass in a sling. It's one thing. I'm not saying she said she wouldn't use her contacts. She would manipulate her platform to help him. I never did any of those things. I never had to. So that's who she is. Think about that. I wouldn't have helped my own brother if it would have compromised what I see as my journalistic ethics. Are you open to a comment?

Sure. Says someone who you don't always get along with, if ever, Ann Coulter said that in that the religion of liberalism becomes fanaticism, and then that becomes your religion and your flag, leaving behind even your family. And I'm paraphrasing Anne. Yeah, but I think she's right.

where she's saying. She's super smart. I've never had a bad relationship with Ann in my life. I know she's taxed me a lot. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, that's the business. Can I tell you guys something? You know what was when what was my number one reason for when everybody said, I cannot believe you brought Cuomo on? We lost a lot of people when we announced Cuomo. Don't forget that. We got a lot of criticism. It was nonstop. He cannot believe you. Until today, we still get the messages. It's toned down a little bit. when I see a brother back up a brother to me it says parents raise that family very well that's where it stops when I saw that

that's values that's principles that's very very important to me and when I see a brother defend a brother the way it happened politically at the time whatever set all the other stuff aside COVID all the stuff you said craziness set the stuff aside the values that part I can't I can't understand the Kara Swisher thing I want to go to three more stories before we wrap them. I only got a few minutes. Let me get to the next one.

Rob, uh, uh, Luigi Mangione. This story just came in. Chris, I'm going to come to you first. Then Adam, I'm coming to you next. Okay. So Luigi Mangione, uh, Rob, you just texted it to me. U.S. district judge in New York ruled that federal prosecutors cannot seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione for the 2024 killing

of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. and Judge Margaret Garner dismissed the federal murder charge determining it was technically flawed because the underlying stalking charges did not meet the legal definition of a crime of violence. Chris, for people that may disagree with this, what do you say to them? I understand why you disagree,

and I hate the message that it sends, and I think the prosecutor screwed up. And did the judge have to make this ruling? No, but... It was close to her having to make it. Why? Because the way the law works is the reason you get the death penalty. Remember, in the law, the death penalty is a very, very, very high standard.

And you need to have violent felonies underneath. They said, yeah, stalking is violent. That's not the way the stalking is perceived, especially when there's been no contact prior. So I think they forced her hand a little bit, but I get why you don't like it because it sends a terrible message. If this isn't murder, what is? And I don't like it. I don't like this kid. I hate that he's Italian. I hate that people say that he's handsome. I hate that he's raised all this money. I hate that people argue the other side of it. To what you said about Don Lemon, to me, Mangione is that times a million in terms of the message. Chris, can you comment on how New York State is more limited

on what will get you the capital punishment in the first place? When compared to Florida, It's federal, though. It's federal. It's not state. It's federal. If it were a state case, New York would still be tricky, but Florida,

I mean, he would have been dead as soon as they caught him in Florida. But federal law applies the same in all states. Apparently this judge, I sent you a picture of her, Margaret Garnett. She was a liberal judge appointed by Biden. And this just goes that everything's political at this point.

Everything is so politicized. that the most unique person in this world, in this country at this point, is someone who's fair and balanced. You know, Fox says they're fair and balanced. Yeah, okay. You know, CNN certainly is not. MSNBC, which had to change their name to MS now, I believe. We know where are people getting independent, non-political viewpoints at this point?

Here's just a latest example of a liberal judge that's just siding with, look, who was you appointed by bottom right? Joe Biden. Joe Biden. So they say that, you know, the Justice Department is weaponized or politicized. Here's just another example. It's pretty clear. Biblical, I'm not the biggest Bible guy, but, you know, eye for an eye, you kill somebody in cold blood.

It's you. You're gone. You're gone. Death penalty. That should be just point blank. That's my opinion. Sometimes they screw up the case, though, Casey Anthony here in Florida. Casey, exactly.

Very strong, overreached, went for the death penalty. Yep. she winds up getting acquitted. Why? They went for too much. I think these guys did the same thing. They did it the wrong way, and they gave this judge an opportunity to make a ruling that I don't think

will be overturned on appeal. What do you think should happen to Mangione? Forget about the fact that he's Italian, just from a lawyer's standpoint. Do you think he did it? He's the worst. Of course he did it. Of course he did it.

He wanted to do it. He planned it. He did it for bad reason, and he's a bad guy. But he's a hero on the left. There's women lining up. There's a story of some guy dressed up as a CIA agent. No, today, well, that's a great, I was going to do this.

But what do you think should happen to him? If not the death penalty. Well, he's going to get convicted and they're going to give him life in prison. So then he gets to go sell books and be a hero to the life? No, no, no, no. No, hell no. We're going to pay for him to be alive for him. Well, you're going to pay for him to be alive, right? That's life without parole. What do you mean? No, because you have the son of Sam law. You can't make money off your crime. Well, good. Yeah, and I'm a great point. David Berkowitz.

A 36-year-old named Mark Anderson. I will tell you where he's, he's, he's from went all the way cross-country to metropolitan detention center. He claimed he was an FBI agent. He told the prison staff he had an order to release Louis Mangione. They asked for his credentials. Guess where his license went? Guess where he's from. He's from Somalia.

Minnesota. Same thing. He's from Minnesota and they searched his bag. They found the barbecue fort and somebody that looked like a pizza cutter. He went all the way there with a pizza cutter as if they were going to have pizza after he got him out with a fort. What was he trying to do exactly? Really? You know what I mean?

To get him out of jail, to break him out of prison. But he's nuts. He's a crazy person. You know, I mean. So a crazy person from Minnesota? No way. You're never going to believe it. Tom, do you have anything on this or no?

No. So I, two days ago, I had a one hour call with his three lawyers, Luigi's lawyers. Luigi wrote me a two-page long letter that was written in August that I received two-day's before Christmas? Yeah. I just say, or even a day before Christmas,

something like that. And it was interesting because when he came out with the 27 points, one of the things he wrote on the 27 points when my phone blew up is Louis Jim Anjohn is reading your next five moves in prison and other inmates were reading your next five moves as well in jail. So this is kind of how the exchange is going. So I'm talking to the lawyer and, yeah, that one right there. I think it was 0.7 or 8 or 9 or one of them.

There go, 0.7. Your next five moves, yeah. So to me, you know what I was asking the lawyers, and who knows, maybe we'll do something together to go even deeper because one of the lawyers that's there, she's also a content creator and she gets a lot of eyeballs. She's with Midas Touch, and she does a very good job. She's a talent. And obviously to be a lawyer for someone like this, you have to be very, very good at what you do. All I want to know is, how does this happen? How do you go from a guy? that has a trajectory of getting to where he could have gone in life, being a good citizen, make good money, create jobs, get married, have kids, do all the stuff that he wants to do, to all of a sudden get to this point. I want to know where this led to this. Because if we don't, how many other Luigi's are there

that we have to know that if we don't see patterns, we can't prevent? right when I'm talking to these lawyers I'm telling my how I was at 18 years old if you judge me on where I was going to be in life you would have never said I'm going to be here ever none of my friends would have ever said I'm going to be here someone got a hold of me whether it was a couple of my drill sergeants whether it was drill sergeant green or drill sergeant pertl or first sergeant ward or lieutenant colonel peacocks or lieutenant off or sergeant brachston or all of the these guys, these friendships, the influences, the Pastor Dudley Rutherford, the Rich Dollies, these men who got a hold of you who said, hey, you can do better, the Brian Heflin, the Cisco Davis is, these are men who get a hold of a young man who doesn't have a sense of direction to say, what are you doing? And flip it also on the other side. You know why my concern, the same thing when I brought up the Don Lemon and you said you're more here than you're on the Don Lemon side? Dude, we got to prevent this thing before he gets to the next

level. 20 of us went to watch Joker when he came out. I'm a big walking Phoenix guy and I want to watch the movie. 43 minutes into the movie, I look at Jen, I said, there's no way I can watch this movie. There's no way I can watch this movie. This is horrible. This movie is inspiring you to go kill the billionaire. Yep. That's the movie. You don't think five kids are going to say, you know, let me go kill him and F these guys and you don't think all you need is five kids. To watch Joke, you don't think these movies are going to have that kind of an impact. And how big of a movie was it? Of course, walking Phoenix crushed it in the movie.

Of course. And who was the bad guy? Was it Robert De Niro? Who was the guy that he killed? Robert De Niro was the late night hoes. And so you watch this and you say, how does this happen? I'm interested in what gets somebody to that point and what can we do to prevent that from happening at a large scale. Guy Manx me does a Zoom with me yesterday.

He said something very interesting, 22, 23-year-old content creator, very talented. He says, you know what I miss? I said, what do you miss? He says, for seven or eight years when I was a young boy, I watched every one of your Motivation Monday videos in your car. I watch every one of your videos about what it is to be a young man or this or a content create and all this other stuff. He says, America doesn't have a, you know, people that they watch on how plays a role

of a father. It says a lot of young men need that messaging today in a big way. Right before jumping on here, we're talking, Chris and I are talking about your son and, you know, I'm not going to say publicly, but what decisions he's making, what he wants to do with his career, good looking guy, you know, he's doing what he's doing, and family, the conversation, there's nothing like family, but there's also nothing like influencing someone else that's maybe not your family to prevent them to do something dumb. I'm willing to bet the guy was this close of just being a regular guy

you would have met, you would have never thought about him. And I'm willing to bet there are tens of thousands of Luigi Mangonis that are this close to do something stupid. This close. And if we don't find a way to get a hold of these guys, we're going to have a bunch of these cases happening. A bunch of these cases happening.

So it's interesting they chose to go this route, but again, we'll follow this case a little bit closer. I want to get to the next one here. Next story I want to go to is the Jerome Powell story, the federal, you know, the name that was announced this morning at 6 a.mish, give or take, President Trump, Calci, $96 million of wagers were made on Calci on who's going to be the next Fed share. Look at the volume on the bottom left, $97 million. Rob, how far back can you go on this? Is this all?

So if you go to all, go a little bit lower, Rob, so we can see the names. it's been Kevin Warsh for quite a while. But if he can go a little bit higher, if he can go a little bit higher, who's the second one? Who's the blue and who's the black? Who's blue, Rob? Judy Shelton is in at 1.8% and Rick Ryder.

Rick Ryder was also one that was on the list. And look at it just a few days ago, is black Rick Ryder? Yes. Pretty bad name. But so eventually ends up being Kevin Warsh as the guy. Tom, how do you feel about this announcement, this decision? So here's what's been going on.

The president has been at verbal, you know, debate, battle, war, whatever. Odds. Whatever odds with Jerome Powell for since before he won the election, talking about interest race and talking about things like this. And everyone thought that Kevin Hassett, who is serving in the White House, was going to be the guy. And so he was up there first. And then all of a sudden, many people, including me, think Kevin Hassett maybe sounded a little too measured in public.

Because Trump clearly wants somebody to run the Fed that aligns with him and Scott Bessett on interest rates, specifically with the president. And so Kevin Warsh's name came up. And then Kevin Warsh was like the leading candidate for a while. and then over the last three weeks, there was a little bit of shift that happened. Rick Ryder's name came up. At the same time, the president said, I think Kevin Hassett should stay in the White House. He's doing a fine job. Instantly, everybody says, okay, well, that's it.

Hassett is absolutely off the list because the president compliment him and said, I want him to stay in the White House. But then the president said positive things about Rick Ryder. And then some leaks came out from the administration, from the cabinet, that said the president is very encouraged by recent interview he had with Rick Ryder. So people were thinking that's it. Well, the president now has a two-horse race. He's got Rick Ryder who wants the job and Warsh who wants the job.

Well, guess what happened? I think what happened is he had a conversation with the two of them about policy alignment. And I think Warsh was more aligned with the president. so the president felt that he would be following him more and pick Warsh. Historically, that head of the Fed has usually been someone that even the most partisan presidents have felt needs to be balanced. Can't be quick turning knobs at the Fed. And what has happened here, I think Warsh is going to be more likely to give us a half a point cut before June. No cuts were going to happen here in January at the Fed meeting.

there's a 0% chance of that, according to Kalshi and others that are speaking. And Kevin Warsh is going to be our new head of the Fed and is probably going to give us quarter point cuts in two of the next four Fed meetings going through June. And that's what happened. Why are some people saying they're surprised by this because this guy's known for wanting to raise the rates or keeping it consistent? He's not really known for being a guy that was going to lower the rates. Well, I think what has happened is in the last two interviews, remember, president had interviews. And in the last two interviews, something happened. And the president, in all of his discussions on Powell, has wanted the Fed to follow him, even though that they're looking at unemployment, inflation, and all these other things.

The president's been speaking since before he was reelected for that. And so I think what has happened here is Warsh, even though he's had his historical quantitative stances, and I call what you just said, Pat, is very accurate, but those have been quantitative stances. This plus this plus this means it's too salty, so I'm going to add more water to reduce the saltiness of the soup. That's a technical answer. And I think he met with the president, and the president's like, I want to do this for the American people. I want to do this with Fannie and Freddie. I want to do this for our economic policy.

Can I count on you? I think that's what happened. Vinny, what's your technical analysis? Go ahead, Vin. I concur with everything that Tom just said. Adam, where are you at with this? I'll just summarize this real quick. I won't go along.

Jerome Powell, thank you for playing. You've been here for eight years, I believe. Appointed by Trump, renominated by Biden. I believe the last day of his term is going to be February 4th. My birthday, shout up for you. Here's two things I guarantee you happened. He met with Scott Best. who's the Treasury Secretary.

He said, are you guys aligned? We're going to do this? Last but not least, I'm Donald Trump. I'm the president. I'm going to nominate you. We're going to be cutting interest rates real quick. Aren't we, sir? Yes, sir.

Okay, boom, you have the job. Boom, done. That's what's going to happen. That didn't work last time. So did Jerome Powell end up listening to him? Jerome Powell did what Jerome Powell's going. This is not a job where they listen to him. The difference is...

The difference is Trump didn't know... So, his words exactly, didn't know what the hell he was doing last time, admitted by Eric Trump and by Don Jr., Don Jr., Trump knows exactly what he's doing at this point. Okay. And I think Scott Besson knows exactly what he's doing. But we saw Scott this. And you don't think they had a conversation.

They said, here's what our agenda is. We're going to need you, buddy. I agree that Scott is involved in this decision. I agree that Scott, to me, is the top two. I put him on top. He's top two for me, MVP. Besson. Oh, to me.

He's been great. Oh, I put Rubio 1. I put Besson 2. I love what. there? I'm with you right there. No, I would put those two there. Of course, it's going to be different for Chris for you. But what do you think about this? What do you think about this choice? President gets what he wants and he's just more obvious about making it that way, that I want the guy to agree with me. You know, usually presidents don't say it that way. Why? They want the

patina of objectivity. That this person's going to go in there and do what's good based on the data and the commission, not just my politics. This president is different. He's He wants a yes man and he's got one. Well, can I ask you a question? Let's say you're the CEO founder of Valuetainment, Bet David Consulting Line Holdings. You created this thing, right? You put C-suite executives in place.

If you're going to hire essentially your CFO and you're going to say, this is what we stand for, this is what we do, these are the principles that we need you aligned? Are you going to go ahead and do the exact opposite of what I want you to do? Like, what would you solve for if you were hiring this person? That's not how this position works. That's not how this position works. But I want to know at Valuetainment. But that's not how this position works, right?

Like, who gave Amy Coney Barrett the position? Trump. Is she a pro-Trumper? No, she's a conservative. No, she's not a pro-Trumper. And by the way, let me tell you one, out of all the things I talked about with Rand Paul, and we talk about a lot of different things, non-interventionist, Rubio, you know, all this stuff. The one thing that stuck out with Rand Paul, which, by the way, is going to be launching,

I don't know when we're going to launch it, phenomenal conversation, is why does the president keep talking? about Supreme Court not supporting the tariffs. I said, what do you think is going to happen with the tariffs? He says, I actually think they're going to rule against them. And I think he's going to lose the ability to use tariffs without going through Congress, then through Senate. So I think if Supreme Court does the right thing, he's not, all the stuff that he's been doing with tariffs is going to be gone. Crazy. That's Rand Paul saying this.

Rand Paul saying this. What's the point and why? Who do you think on there's not going to be? think on there's not going to be on his side. If you were willing to bet which one of the Supreme Court justices is going to be against Trump that's a conservative, who is that? Her. Her. Of course. Of course she's going to be on that list. So to me, I don't think this is a job. Like, you know how we would defend Jerome Powell, even though Jerome Powell was appointed by him? We're like, I actually don't mind what he's doing. Like, you know, pumped the brakes before,

lower, lower, lower, lower, pump. Yeah. Pump the brakes on. And by the way, this is the first time in the economy where you're actually able to see the knob like gold 1 to 55 finally make sense why I won to 55 dollar devalue a little bit. Bitcoin's not move in. You're finally able to be a little bit more using predictive analytics because the part of that I give credit to Jerome Powell. I give credit to Jerome for not all of a sudden saying, let me listen to this. And I think this guy's going to do the same. I think six, 12 months later he's going to do the same. You don't think he's going to be aligned with Trump? Like, no. I don't think after. 12 months he's not going to be.

You don't think they had those conversations? I don't think these jobs you hire works that way. Well, this one, he's right, right? Because it's the guy's in there for a long time. Yeah, I don't think these jobs work that way. They're four-year terms, I believe. Yeah, I don't think these jobs. I think this to me is the same kind of a higher as Supreme Court. You don't get to hire a Supreme Court and tell them you better

do this. It's not how the system works. That's why it works, by the way. That's why it works. So yes, great. I think for me, this announcement being made was a little bit of a bigger announcement. I think there's a lot of noise. Yesterday I was at, uh, uh, with, uh, the first lady and, and, uh, all the folks watching Melania, uh, what he call it? The new show with Amazon. And by the way, everyone's seen the numbers. Everyone knows the reports, how it did opening weekend, the dollar 75. I've watched everything, all the negative. Only one seat was sold in London, you know, theaters. I've read it all. So before I even give you my thoughts on this,

I want you to know as somebody that follow stories, I know what's going on as well. But let me tell you what happened with the documentary. The first hour of the documentary is somewhat slow. If you're a woman and you love that. Like I think, you know, somebody who was into fashion design details, I think you're going to like it. Am I going to have my wife and my daughter watch it?

100%. But the second hour, I'm going to have my son watch it. And for a complete different reason. because in the second hour, what the documentary actually did, it highlighted what that two-week process was when they won, preparing for inauguration, January 20th,

couple live unscripted moments with the president that I don't even know if the president, of course, he approved it, but I don't even know if we were things that you would want to have it be in there. Right? I don't know if you would want it to. Is this 2016 or 2020?

2024. Okay. But there's a couple moments like there was one moment where they're sitting there and you can tell he's furious. And it's a scene with them saying, well, why does the inauguration fall on the same day as national championship? This has never happened before. They did it on purpose.

And he says, sir, I don't know. There's nothing I know about this. There's certain moments you have to watch while decisions are being made and him getting in the anxiety. Like he couldn't wait to go on to do the job. Like you're sitting there, they show at the end of the inauguration when he comes home. They're going to the room. It's 3 o'clock.

He goes to his room. She goes to a room. I think if anybody's not watch it, I do think, again, let me preface what I just said. Fellas, the first hour, you're probably going to be playing, you know, Suduco, or you're going to play backgammon, or you're going to be doing something else on your phone, you know, checking Twitter and all this stuff. the second half, I think folks who are interested in politics and want to see a little bit of the behind the scenes with the president, I think you're going to see that here with it.

But yesterday when we were there talking to a lot of these folks about different conversations, I think this is an announcement that was made because if there's one thing that the president's very good at, is knowing when to drop a story to take attention away from another story. To deflect. There's been a lot of Christians. There's been a lot of a, and we were at Chris,

we were supposed to do an hour podcast with Christy yesterday, the, you know, White House shut it down, that they're not doing any interviews right now. But there's a lot of moving parts right now on what's going on over there. But so I think he did this, good timing, get the market to talk about it, to get away from the topic of discussion.

But I do not think you hire somebody as a fit share and you're going to tell the guy what to do. I think you have a conversation. You and your team believe this is the guy and you give him the job knowing you can't fire him. It's like he's got the job and he's going to do the job. Let's go to the last story before we wrap up. Vinny, what was the story you wanted to get to?

Hillary Clinton and Tucker Carlson walked into the Saudi Arabia real estate forum. And let me say that one more time. When I read this at first, like I reacted thinking that was fake, Hillary Clinton and Tucker Carlson walked into a Saudi real estate forum. Let me read this. And by the way, the title there makes it seem like it's only the two of them that were there. There were other people there as well.

It was rather hard to parse by Hillary Clinton, the former Democratic presidential candidate, and Tucker Carlson. The contrary, and by the way, this is New York Times writing. The contrarian right-wing commentator had been invited to speak at real estate conference in Saudi. Neither had much to say about real estate. Yet on Wednesday they took the stage separately at a hotel ballroom in Riyadh, the capital, the conservative Islamic kingdom, and here's what Tucker had to say. Go ahead. Did you know that Staples Professional can tailor a custom program to make running your business easy? With a Staples Professional account, you get one vendor, one delivery, and one invoice for all your must-haves.

From tech to cleaning supplies and dedicated support from Staples experts who guide you on everything, from product selection and ordering to payment. Join today at staplesprofessional.ca and get expert solutions tailored to your business. That was easy. And of course, this year, just a year later, it's like, yeah, of course, everyone's in Saudi, like they're, and I'm glad to see that because it's reality-based. I'm not here to promote the Saudi government, of course, I'm American, but I think that Saudi Arabia is a fundamentally real country. It's an ancient country. It's the physical center of one of the largest religions in the world, and it is, of course, a force because of its resources and its diplomacy. So, like,

I'm glad to see a real country get treated like a real country, like an actual country, not just a client of some other country. So it's good. Wouldn't it be wonderful if people had some ideas about those things you've spoken about, the graciousness, the hospitality, the kindness, before they commented on it from afar? Because I think it's an experience which once you've had changes your perception of this place. I strongly agree with that. And I've taken a lot of abuse in my country for saying things like that out loud.

I'm for whatever it's worth, a pretty fervent Christian, and I feel completely comfortable here in the seat of Islam, not because, right? And why is that? And just saying that is a threat somehow to some people who are propagandists and liars, but it's true, so I'm going to say it. And moreover, I think it points up something that's really important about life, which is it's worth meeting people and seeing things before you try to assess them. Oh, that's a great life lesson.

I wish more people understand that. I try not to talk about anything I haven't smelled, and I mean that, including people. Like, how do you really know? What you're doing is you are taking other people's word for something, which, if it's, say, your wife or your children or someone you love is okay, but if it's like a propagandist you've never met, who's trying to convince you to do something against your own interest, maybe you should not. Hold on. I'm a little smelling time because that's what I do with smell people.

Now you can talk about it. Tom, great body soap. I love it. But I want to, what he just said, I hope everybody understands. He said, and I quote, I'm for whatever it's worth, a pretty fervent Christian, and I feel completely comfortable here in the seat of Islam in Saudi Arabia. By the way, Saudi Arabia bans Christianity from public life. Churches are illegal.

Don't know if you guys know that. Converting to Christianity is punishable by death, and the country is ranked 13th in Open Doors List of 15th. the most dangerous places in the world for Christians. Now, okay, if you're Tucker Carlson, you're American standing on stage, saying there how comfortable that you feel, I don't think it's courage. I think it's curation. Saudi Arabia doesn't invite people like Tucker to challenge them. I think it's there to polish their image. You know what I mean? Like those future and real estate forms, they're not neutral spaces. They're tied to big money and state power. That's why

Hillary Clinton was invited there. And it's just ironic. Tucker, you know, with all the stuff that Tucker's criticize Israel and how they are and people paying and all that stuff. He's over there doing the same thing. So if you're going to call it out on one side, you can't pretend that it's, you know, something else when you're in it and you're doing it. I'm curious to what, because I know he has a property, he said we're in Qatar. If he's going to get a property there where Christianity's outlawed, even though he's a, you know, fervent Christian and a land in the seat of Islam. I'm just very curious. Cuomo. That's your boy. That's your boy. That's your boy. and I think that he is an interesting study in opportunity, in opportunism.

And I think that when somebody is not really tied to any principle or philosophy except advantage, they're capable of anything. And you go to the place that you know exports the most dangerous form of extreme Islamism, where you know 9-11 would not have happened, for. And you pretend that it's something else. Why? You think that's what's going on with them.

What else could it be? It cannot be based in anything rational. It can't. It is anathema to everything he says he's supposed to be about, depending on the day. It goes to where we started the podcast today, which is if you're just about tripping the algorithm and getting paid, you're going to have very, very, you're going to have very, very, you're have very obvious choice structure. If he was still working somewhere,

you think he's there saying that? No way. And is that censorship? No. If he's part of the PBD crew, wait, what are you going to say when you go over there? Hold on. You're all about free speech. There's no question about it. It's one of my favorite things about you guys. But you'd be like, whoa, this is bad for us. You know who you're sitting there with, right?

But he doesn't. And that's part of the plus minus on independent media now. That you're independent, right, but is that always a good thing? No, is the answer. You said something, though. You said at the beginning that he could end up being a number one podcast pass on Rogan. 100%.

So you think Tucker's going to be the number one podcast pass on Rogan? I don't know if it is him, but he's certainly, look, I mean, say what you want about Don Lemon. He's got more of a following online than he's ever had before. And that was before this. Now, forget it. You know, he may be in your guys' rare air. I think you're making him a martyr. But Tucker Carlson, absolutely.

Why? Because this is what sells. because by design, the platform's rewarded. How much has he changed from the time you went and did the show with him? You were on his podcast about a year and a half ago, right? 14 months ago. How much has he changed? Even that was very capricious.

For him to sit across from me and say, I was an asshole to you when I was at Fox, you know, because you were the guy at CNN, and that's what we were told to do. You know, I shouldn't have been for the war in Iraq. You know, I was conditioned by others. That's not too different for me from, you know, a demon came at me last night.

I got to tell you, I've got to go on either way. But I escaped it. Thank God. He is capable of anything. And I think that that's exciting for people. And I think it's a little scary for people who worry about what people decide to follow. Adam. I think Tucker Carlson is the exact opposite of Chris Cuomo. Because it's so easy.

No. Actually not two-faced. Actually not two-faced. Because the challenge with Tucker is. is he talks tough online. But then when you're in person of him, he's like, hey, how are you doing, President of Iran? How are you doing, Putin?

How are you doing, Nick Fuentes? But when he gets home, oh, boy, does he talk tough? So I think he's compromised. I've been saying that for a while. He wants to get there and smell what the rock is cooking. The more and more he keeps talking, the fissier he smells. Something's going on here. Because what I appreciate about you is you call out.

both sides, but you're pretty firm in your convictions. At this point, I literally have no clue what Tucker's convictions are. But he's going to go buy a property in Qatar because why? He's an American. Go buy a house in Detroit. Go buy a house in Louisiana. Don't go buy a house in Qatar because you're a proud American. Something's going on here with this guy. I'll let the public figure that out. Last point. Good for Saudi opening up to the world. Saudi 20 years ago was right on par with Iran. I don't know which way they're both. The Wahhabism, the extremism. At this point, it's pretty clear who the bad guy is in the Middle East and it's Iran. Saudi is at least trying to open up to the world and respect to them on that. But to say that as a fervent Christian, as a passionate

in, like he's a deep Christian to feel comfortable there in the seat of Islam where you know how they treat Christians. He's saying that, Chris, because he has security. They promised him security. Good Look, what is it, is the message that more Christians should move? What would happen if I went to Saudi? Are you? And I said what I wanted to say to them. About faith in you and what, yes, what would happen? And then you're not in one of these forums where there's security out the wazoo?

What would happen? Patrick, your wife is going to a funeral and you disappear. That's it. I'm done. Bye. Yeah. It's not even a joke. By the way, I actually, I don't think it gets to that point in Saudi.

I think it may get into that point in a different place, but I don't think I would be as safe as he is if you go there. But let me tell you what's going on behind closed doors. This is what I think is going on, okay? And it's funny because it's the end of the podcast. So few people are going to see this. But whatever way we clip this, this is what I think is going to happen in 27, 28.

And you guys better follow this closely. My opinion. Ready? This is my opinion. I think on the Trump administration, there's two camps. Two camps you're dealing with. I think there is the

non-interventionist camp, and then there's the interventionist camp. And let me unpack that for you. I think there's going to be a camp that's going to be the Massey camp, which the Massey camp is going to be the Tucker, Candice, all that, all those guys, they're going to be a Massey camp.

I don't know about Nick because he changes a lot, so I don't know what that's going to be, but say it's going to be the Massey camp with that community, and there's a lot of people there. I think there's going to be the JD camp, okay? And the JD camp is going to be the teal, the musks, the technology, the open AI, the ultmints. I think that's going to be that camp. And I think there's going to be a Rubio camp.

And I think the Rubio camp are the guys that are watching to see a guy. Like if you go in D.C., Rubio has more respect and, what do you call it, a pull, it's the word I'm looking for. Influence. I think he's got way more influence. A lot more, what? A lot more gravitas. He does.

He does over there. But here's the problem. This is part of a conversation that we were having yesterday as well with a few different people that were there is the feeling I'm getting is Vance, you know, maybe weaker in the general, but he'll be stronger in the primary. And Rubio will be stronger in the general, but he will be stronger. in the general, but he won't make it past the primary because Vance has TPSA, Vance has the youth, Vance has all these guys.

And when it comes down to it, the Massey community has to go somewhere. Where they're going to go, who knows. They're going to talk, they're going to talk, they're going to talk, they're going to talk, they're going to talk. And then eventually when it comes down to Newsom versus somebody else, you're either going to sit it out or you're going to support somebody. So I think whatever Tucker is doing, it's all leading to 2017. 28. I think 2020 is the most important presidential election we've had in

12 years from 28. Going back to 2050. Because it's wide open. Because Stephen Colbert yesterday said he may run for office. It's going to be wide open with the people that are going to get into it. Should not be Newsom, by the way. The way the Democratic Party is trending subject to what leadership it has

because it will not have the leadership it has today in the presidential cycle, my prediction, they're looking for their own disruptor. I don't know how Newsom checks that box. I mean, he could be as obnoxious as he wants on social media. He's an animal at 75%. He's up there, Kalsh's got him at 75%. AOC's second. And then Pritzker's are like 2%. Steven A's at 2%. I mean, Stewart's at 2%. A bunch of these guys are at 2%. I think it's not in

that mix. You might be right. But I also think whoever hates Trump the most is going to get the nominee. But they're positioning, depending on what happens on 27. Remember, those are the macros. And once upon a time, um, a certain Bush did really good in the macros. 140 million. And then he, that's right. Then he went to Iowa. Oh, wow.

Why can't he pull? Then he went to New Hampshire. Then they went to South Carolina. And then all of a sudden Super Tuesday came up and they're talking about the viability of his campaign. Yep. When the macros... Very good point. When the macros at the beginning were, oh, this is Bush 3.0.

One big difference. One big difference. Jeb Bush is not a stage guy. George Bush is a state guy. Newsom. is a stage guy. Oh, yeah. If there is one of the best interviews

that was done on Trump as the one that people talk about the least is the one Lex Friedman did. President said something on Lex Friedman that was so powerful. I think it was Lex Friedman. If I got it wrong, I want to give credit to whoever did it,

but I want to give credit to Lex because he did a very good job. He says, Lex, I got a lot of friends that are billionaires. What do you think is just billionaire that becomes a president? You have to learn how to speak from stage. If you don't know how to speak from stage,

you are not going to become president. Mike Bloomberg. Yeah, so Mike Bloomberg is the other one. Yes. All right. Anyways, by the way, one of my favorite podcasts we've done, we had so many different stories. It was great. And it was banter.

There was exchange. There was disagreement, which is always good to do. Chris, thank you for this cigar. Always good seeing you. Excited to see what your son ends up doing because I think my oldest wants to go the same route as your son wants to go to. And he just told that that's about six months ago, which was kind of a surprise to all of us. So we'll see if he's going to change his mind or not.

Gang, everybody out there. God bless. Have a great weekend. Oh, this is Rand Paul's. Rob. How long is the intro? About 130. Oh, that's too long, Rob.

So here's all we'll do, because I've got to go out there. We've got to make that decision on the, you know what I'm talking about, the new podcast set. Rand Paul's going to come out in the next couple days. I don't know when it is. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal conversation. Stay tuned. It's most likely going to be tomorrow morning. God bless everybody.

Have a great weekend. Take care. Bye, bye, bye, bye.